I think if you want to go towards cinematography and approach videos as a filmmaker, then we can't call them "content". We need to think of them as "filmmaking". As a marketer and independent filmmaker, I always see 'content creation' a marketing term; whereas filmmaking applies different theories and approach into a piece of visual art.
100% agree, epic comment and podcast. I've been inspired by the "overthinking" from the expert editors on TH-cam. Let's all keep overthinking our niche and making the best damn videos possible. 💪😃👍
Please don’t be self conscious about your Pokémon card video, Hayden. It was incredibly inspiring, educational, and hopefully helps creators take TH-cam one step closer to being known as a place for quality content. I also believe TikTok is helping position TH-cam as a platform where audiences go for a step up in quality (as the creators only interested in quick easy fame will choose to create on TikTok).
Making more videos on storytelling of TH-camrs, movies, tv shows and also make videos on TH-camrs strategies and retention tactics of top tier TH-camrs. Make interviews with top tier TH-camrs too. This are some video ideas for u guys. Thank you love your content😊
Using theater mode on youtube gives me that Netflix experience because I don't see the recommendations on the side and I'm fixed on the video I'm currently watching :))) Really recommend it!
I am now going to go watch Everything Everywhere All At Once, been feeling the same lately that I've only really been watching entertaining videos and not ones that really make you feel something and have a good story. Loved this episode, very refreshing 👏
Honestly just love this podcast and the discussions of this podcast. Last month I watched Hayden's video on finding nemo and storytelling at 1AM in the morning and I just randomly started crying. I've been making videos on TH-cam for the last decade. And in the last few years I was able to make my own short films which won at festivals and was able to also be on television for various things. But in the last year or two I fell down the trap of how to make only retention based content. And without realising it, it made me very sad. Because I forgot the most important aspect which makes me happy. Which is of course storytelling. So thank you guys for promoting storytelling. I genuinely think it's awesome to see and it's helping me with pursuing my passion of trying to make documentaries for the youtube platform.
The fact that you guys still only 18.2K subs and less than 20k views, just shows how little research people are willing to do to grow and better their content career. You guys are incredible story tellers and provide so much knowledge to the youtube space. Keep crushing it guys!
I hope you guys have system in place, where you talk specific things in one episode and one on another. This is coming from a genuine concern of other podcast fading, a lot of podcast do well in the beginning but it slowly fades away because there’s no system in place. Even though I like Ryan Trahan and love how he edits. I think bringing guest early on does more harm than good. Because we haven’t even learn/spend time with just you guys. We want to learn more about you guys before bringing on other people to talk about editing. 🙌🏼 big ups. Another great episode
This podcast is a dream come true. Thank you both, please understand how valuable what you are doing is! Also, Hayden, you aren’t pretentious. Your approach to editing & storytelling has been a major inspiration of mine, and what you do truly is art. I love your breakdowns, and hope you always view what you’re doing as seriously and artistically as you do. Because we all see what you’re doing and appreciate it on that same level. 🙌🏽
I've been an editor in the past, and this motivates me to start creating my own videos again. This podcast is amazing guys keep it up! Gotta watch "Everything Everywhere All At Once" now!
Hello! First off I am in love with this podcast and how much knowledge both of you possess and for you to share it with us is such an incredible gift! I am a fulltime editor and work for the channels BeckBroJack, PopularMMOs, and have gone to film school to study the gift of everything that goes into film making. I would love to see you guys do an episode sharing where you get all your sound effects from. Imo sound editing is one of the most crucial parts of editing and it can be quite difficult to find the right sound effects and music at times. I've even had to create my own Foley, look through different games and have browsed through various websites just to discover good sounds. Everything I've seen from the two of you is always perfection and I'm very excited to learn more from the both of you 🙏🔥
When you talk about audience trust, youtube vs paid streaming services, I wonder if paying to watch changes the relationship between viewer and creator. I have a lot of trouble with this and my audience. It's like life has trained them that videos and tutorials like mine would cost a lot of money to watch. Buy an expensive DVD or spend a few hundred dollars to watch the video tutorials. I get people complaining to me in person that I am damaging the industry by giving away the same thing for free. Then they complain about the ads on youtube. There seems to be this perception that if there isn't a monetized price tag, what we create has no value. I don't think it should be this way. And I don't know what to do about it but keep on improving what I make.
@@EditingPodcast I wonder if it's part of the sunk cost fallacy. I paid money for this, therefore it has to be worth my time. Or maybe people are just trained to value what costs money because this used to be the only way creators could earn a living from what they made? All I know is I want to be part of the movement that fixes this. To help make information more accessible to people, no matter their income. Like what the library did for literacy, I think youtube could help people learn the skills they need to make their lives better - and be entertained in the process. or just be entertained. That's always good too.
I just wanna say, when I watched Hillier's Pokemon video breakdown - the passion that was poured out in that video inspired me to do the same. To embrace the emotion and overthinking. It didn't come out as pretentious to me, it came out as: It's okay to be extremely passionate over what you enjoy. And that's editing and storytelling for Hillier. It inspired me a lot. Thank you for this channel btw, super great stuff for creators!
as an editor i appreciate all of the content youve made, your breakdown videos are so useful and inspire me to learn, and this podcast is honestly encouraging, ive never been so motivated to go out and edit, improve and make it in the editing world. and i feel you about the self consiousness
Love the googly eyes on the white board. Solid addition. Also I’ve had this conversation between Strange and Everywhere with multiple people. Everywhere is in top 5 all time.
I watch TH-cam on my phone and put in full screen out of habit. Therefore, there is no recommendations distracting me. I also use TH-cam for education, or podcast so it usually just stays in my pocket while I listen Interview Casey he started to implement filmmaking skills, to create short movies on TH-cam so technically He started the movement to make TH-cam better with Story and emotional content. So when they say people copy Casey.. it’s not true, they are copying Filmmaking rules. If you want to call it that.
Everything everywhere was a breathe of fresh air. I love how they played with aspect ratios. I love how the emotional climax was separate from the action climax but was also just as intense because of the editing and emotional weight of the story. They say a good movie can add years of emotional intelligence, this was one of those movies reminded me about the joy of cinema!! Another wildly creative movie I’d recommend is house 1977 the Japanese horror comedy. It’s expands the box on what film making can be, just filmmakers having fun and doing art.
Part of me feels like a youtube creator posting at a slower rate, like maybe once per month or once every few months, but with higher production is reminiscent of watching movies or series. It makes it an event I don't want to miss like a release in theatres. Some youtubers I love only post once or twice per year, but I know that when they post, I can trust them to be worth watching from beginning to end. On the other hand, I watched Ryan Trahan's Penny series everyday when it came. So maybe the common denominator is simply good storytelling. Although I'm still not sure if it would be the only factor.
This podcast is giving me insights that I didn’t think was possible on TH-cam. You spoke about Hayden’s content breaking ground and I agree with that. I’d also like to acknowledge the ground you are both breaking with this video podcast. There are so many of these out there and they just interview and that’s the story but I really appreciate the way this podcast relays both of your experiences with these topics. Hopefully everyone else can appreciate that as much as I do. So thank you guy!
Everything Everywhere All At Once is literally the best movie I’ve watched in a long, long time. And I actually came across it from your recommendation Hayden. I think we have a unique perspective of it as editors because each scene and transition and everything just feels so genius. So thank you for that!!
Hayden I LOVE the breakdowns, last month I made a video on timelines using the storytelling themes from everything everywhere all at once & the video you edited for logan on the PSA 10 Pikachu. My absolute favorite video I have ever made which influenced my new style of creating, no joke I probably watched that breakdown at least 12 times till I internalized the "pretentious" lessons you shared lmao
A key mental switch here is about the word ‘content’. As long as TH-camrs call what they create ‘content’, it will only ever be that: stuff that ‘fills’ the platform, content, period. “What’s the content of that box?” “Oh, you know, odds and ends, stuff.” No one who gets to put their work on Disney+ or Netflix would ever call their work that. Or does Christopher Nolan refer to his work as ‘content’? I believe the word plays an important role in this.
Hi Hayden! Just wanted to let you that the content you put out is very valuable to creators like us who have ZERO background in filmmaking. The explainer you made for Logan’s Pokémon video was a storytelling masterclass. Honestly, I don’t watch Logan and I don’t even remotely care about Pokémon (my apologies) but I did watch your video multiple times.
Hearing Hayden talk about his conflicting ideas was very engaging and encouraging to watch. I watch a lot of stuff on TH-cam and I find that I agree with his sentiment. TH-cam has so many opportunities with long form content, but creators that try to pursue that type of content are punished and left by the wayside by the algorithm. Those individuals should be praised for their hard efforts, not left to feel complacently hopeless. The best way for this to change, is for the people who make "content" to start adopting the "why should the audience care" mentally and start producing story driven videos.
I tend to gravitate towards indie films because those one tend to be the ones that feel fresh. I feel like Hollywood has a formula they stick (and it works, so that’s fine) but indie film makers tend to take more risks, ands those risks tend to be the most memorable moments in film for me.
We've heard all about TH-cam from this platform creator, but I'm curious how nowadays real director/editor that have actually making movies and cinema see "TH-cam", what their perspective and what is their aproach if someone like Jimmy (MrBeast) was somehow call them and do a collab?, Anyway, great content as always! Love how Jordan do the Hook in here ❤️❤️❤️
I forgot to watch this podcast episode, I went to watch Everything Everywhere All at Once as soon as you mentioned it. What an amazing film. loving the podcast.
Another great pod, I see TH-cam as the next age of filmmaking and story telling. This platform has what it takes to be the next "Hollywood" & over the years the improvements that have been made in the creator economy on the platform has been resembling more closely to great filmmaking. We're on the way there and it's only going to continue to grow more. I'm looking forward to seeing you on the forefront of this push forward guys, thanks for bringing this content to TH-cam!
Loving this Podcast channel. Would like to hear something about "Extraordinary attorney woo". I've only watched 30 minutes of the first episode and that was enough to hook me. It would also be refreshing to see a take on other countries film industries that have shown to make amazing shows/ movies (in this case, sepcifically, South Korea).
The editing in Everything Everywhere all At Once is remarkable and something I want to achieve in my editing. This podcast is highly underrated and I love it
Btw, I still think about the Pokemon video (the animation, the bookend editing, the emotion used through sound design and music) it's a video that stuck with me like the movies stuck with you both.
Dude! Great podcast! This is my first time watching any of your videos, and I'm definitely subscribing! You were on fire with your analysis of the different platforms. Plus, you two have really good chemistry conversationally
Have not ever edited a video, but this is my favorite podcast. One of the only I can watch from beginning to end, and always be learning and never bored.
I'd like to suggest perhaps a hybrid idea for TH-cam or another platform, to encourage that higher level of commitment with higher quality content. What if there was a subscription option where if you subscribe to this channel, then when you are watching their videos, youtube doesn't suggest any other content to you until the video is over. Kind of a way of saying to the algorithm, "I really like the content from this channel, and when I click on it, I want to watch it without distractions." Perhaps even some kind of membership tier. I've thought for a while that youtube should have a built-in channel membership perk where if you join a channel, and pay however much per month, then you don't see any more ads when you are watching videos from that channel anymore. Like TH-cam Premium, but channel-specific. Channel Premium Members. No ads, and no video suggestions while watching a video, not until that video is over.
Seems like I watch TH-cam not as like as TikTok: I choose creators I trust and watch their videos completely and on a regular basis. So I watch this channel in the same way:)
Thanks Guys, for me Fight Club is a movie that really stayed with me (it’s a cliched choice maybe but it’s still one of my favourite movies.) loving these podcasts, lots of insights
You can have something that's entertaining AND makes you feel/think, and EEAAO is one example. For too long, we've been limited by the attitude "when I watch a movie, I want to turn my brain off". You do you, but more is possible.
You alluding to the old studio system is insightful, I think,because that is exactly what we are watching re-form. Disney, Netflix, etc ARE vertically integrating in the same way, owning every step in the process from production to marketing to release and platform, and I'm sure TH-cam would LOVE to be the same way. Currently they have the platform and the audience bit much less control over the IP and creators. I'm sure they're LOVINGthe trend toward consolidation. It is worth noting, however, that the " Streaming Studio System"that is establishing itself is precisely what is CAUSING the issue you pointed out in the start: audiences only watching the same regurgitated formulas and not leaving space for anything fresh. Turning TH-cam into more of a respectable machine is unlikely to produce fresh indie films and is more likely to produce more Marvel. But. The "content creators" will more universally make fucking loads of cash and respect.
I agree with Jordan, your approach to education is unique and bloody refreshing! The amount of techniques I have learned from just watching your breakdowns is extraordinary! However, this give me confidence that you also have these negative thoughts, cause I feel them every frigging day! Thanks for sharing your wisdom, but also your insecurities!
Yes YES YES!!! Thank you. Thank you! I am so glad y’all are doing this channel. Ever since the first HHS video I saw during the pand3mic I was wanting this level of depth on the process. All of these conversations you have together are so important. I’ve long been a fan of TH-cam and just ALL THE YES and THANK YOU.
I was actually thinking of this…. The fact that I was looking at the iPhone 14 pro max as an upgrade you’re saying I need nothing more than my iPhone se 2020 😮but with a better story? ❤😊I loved everything about this 🎉😅it’s chaotic and messy and I can’t wait to practice telling my story! Thanks Hayden and Hayden’s friend 😊
The best podcast ever! Hayden, you're inspiring and raising the bar for the next generation of TH-cam! I'm so grateful for your impact on this platform!
10:30 I had that same exact revelation after I watched Top Gun. Yes I like marvel movies, but THAT is what a Movie is supposed to be!! At first I didn’t want to see it because I don’t care a thing about planes. But after I watched it I had realized, omg I cared about those people and plane!! whAt?!
Thought provoking convo guys! At the 20:18 mark, Hayden aren't you talking about TH-cam's Theater mode? Or are you saying you want TH-cam to never show suggestions?
Great question. I am pitching a world where TH-cam doesn't show suggested videos. When you watch Stranger Things there's no bar to the side with 20 other shows you can watch instead. - Hayden
@@EditingPodcast I'd love that. All the major streamers (HBO Max, Netflix, Disney+, Apple+, etc.) are brands. They are in control of the storytelling experience and the user interface experience on their apps. TH-cam is also a brand, which as you talked about invites everyone to contribute any content from poop to gold. But they don't allow the content creators to customize the user interface experience for their audience. Perhaps there's a compromise. If I go visit your channel, you should be able to control how it looks and feels, i.e. no side bar of suggested videos. (side note: I think that's what Vimeo tried to do) TH-cam then becomes a portal into other brands. Because, TH-cam is like Amazon, anyone can publish a book. But once you pick up that book, the creator controls the reading experience.
So we in Germany have a big TH-camr called "Julien Bam" hes making the best videos i have ever seen (including VFX, musik, Storytelling and so much more...)
The thing I enjoy about this movie the most is that even though it is very thought provoking and do touch some very deep subjects, Their approach was still very light-hearted and fun. Such themes presented on the movie would easily be very dark and gloomy. This is why humor in MCU does not really bother me because they could potentially be the same as this movie was, Unfortunately even with Taika Waititi, Whom always did a amazing job balancing humor with darker narrative such as Boy and Jojo Rabbit, They don't seem to get it right like this movie did... Which is probably because of their already established formula.
You need to check Kris Antoinette YT channel, not the most frequent creator, but she turns a 3min tutorial into a 15min video with a story and attention to detail that is nuts, and it worked, I always end up watching all of it, she even has recurring characters !!
A lovely informational video I saw was by Netflix explaining how they started, and their new cyberpunk.... trailer I review and maybe a breakdown on the chemistry on hayden channel 👀❤
Great movie... however the everything is nihilistic but you can find meaning is like putting both feet in mid air and calling it solid ground. As long as you switch off you brain and realise the concepts are incoherent the actually filmmaking is a lot of fun.
The ironic thing is that the style of video that the TH-cam algorithm likes the most is adrenaline-fuelled, deliberately ending before your appetite is sated rather than leaving the viewer satisfied; and it is this same adrenaline that the viewer seeks to sate through watching another video, which also keeps them in an unsettled state that increases the likelihood of their mind wandering rather than relaxing and investing in the story being shared with them. This is ironic because this state of alertness which is designed to boost engagement, also encourages a person to switch between platforms in order to find the wholly satisfying conclusion needed to leave a state of algorithmically-generated stress. By setting these terms with its algorithm, TH-cam is conditioning the viewer to not expect to feel fully sated and rewarded by their platform. TH-cam has created a stimulus-led algorithm, but the algorithm lacks periodic circuit-breaker prioritisation; if the tension-cycle of films without a wholly satisfying conclusion goes on for enough cycles then it is necessary to leave, or to find someone who can successfully defy the algorithm to supply a true feeling of a satisfying conclusion which breaks the tension cycle. A Hollywood movie does come with the expectation that it will conclude in a way which fully rewards its viewers’ emotional and intellectual commitment to the project. If you think of those machines at the arcade which gradually push a heap of 10p coins into the trays where the winner can collect them: sometimes none fall, and sometimes a few fall; the few deliver a bit of a reward so you might have a few more goes, but eventually you realise that the promise of a large amount of coins falling into the collection tray is not going to be delivered upon, so you leave for an experience that will leave you feeling satisfied.
I think if you want to go towards cinematography and approach videos as a filmmaker, then we can't call them "content". We need to think of them as "filmmaking". As a marketer and independent filmmaker, I always see 'content creation' a marketing term; whereas filmmaking applies different theories and approach into a piece of visual art.
Well said! I agree. We have to change our mindset first and Hayden is already there. He is definitely a pioneer.
I agree my first video say something similar! #FilmMaker #FollowOut
100% agree, epic comment and podcast. I've been inspired by the "overthinking" from the expert editors on TH-cam. Let's all keep overthinking our niche and making the best damn videos possible. 💪😃👍
100%
Casey Neistat was light years ahead of us in that regard calling his 5 minute videos “movies”
Please don’t be self conscious about your Pokémon card video, Hayden. It was incredibly inspiring, educational, and hopefully helps creators take TH-cam one step closer to being known as a place for quality content. I also believe TikTok is helping position TH-cam as a platform where audiences go for a step up in quality (as the creators only interested in quick easy fame will choose to create on TikTok).
that video was phenomenal
That video inspired me to get better with storytelling in my videos. I agree 😅
I love Hayden's overthinking, overcomplicated breakdown of videos, it's what gets me excited to get up and make something lol
Making more videos on storytelling of TH-camrs, movies, tv shows and also make videos on TH-camrs strategies and retention tactics of top tier TH-camrs. Make interviews with top tier TH-camrs too. This are some video ideas for u guys. Thank you love your content😊
The “existential creator crisis” is real! 😅 But you’re absolutely right, audiences want to be more than entertained. They want to be moved.
Using theater mode on youtube gives me that Netflix experience because I don't see the recommendations on the side and I'm fixed on the video I'm currently watching :))) Really recommend it!
Great tip!
I've been an editor for life, and watching you guys feel like TH-cam finally have a place that I can belong. Keep up the good work!
I am now going to go watch Everything Everywhere All At Once, been feeling the same lately that I've only really been watching entertaining videos and not ones that really make you feel something and have a good story. Loved this episode, very refreshing 👏
Honestly just love this podcast and the discussions of this podcast. Last month I watched Hayden's video on finding nemo and storytelling at 1AM in the morning and I just randomly started crying. I've been making videos on TH-cam for the last decade. And in the last few years I was able to make my own short films which won at festivals and was able to also be on television for various things. But in the last year or two I fell down the trap of how to make only retention based content. And without realising it, it made me very sad. Because I forgot the most important aspect which makes me happy. Which is of course storytelling. So thank you guys for promoting storytelling. I genuinely think it's awesome to see and it's helping me with pursuing my passion of trying to make documentaries for the youtube platform.
The fact that you guys still only 18.2K subs and less than 20k views, just shows how little research people are willing to do to grow and better their content career. You guys are incredible story tellers and provide so much knowledge to the youtube space. Keep crushing it guys!
I hope you guys have system in place, where you talk specific things in one episode and one on another. This is coming from a genuine concern of other podcast fading, a lot of podcast do well in the beginning but it slowly fades away because there’s no system in place.
Even though I like Ryan Trahan and love how he edits. I think bringing guest early on does more harm than good. Because we haven’t even learn/spend time with just you guys. We want to learn more about you guys before bringing on other people to talk about editing. 🙌🏼 big ups. Another great episode
This podcast is a dream come true. Thank you both, please understand how valuable what you are doing is! Also, Hayden, you aren’t pretentious. Your approach to editing & storytelling has been a major inspiration of mine, and what you do truly is art. I love your breakdowns, and hope you always view what you’re doing as seriously and artistically as you do. Because we all see what you’re doing and appreciate it on that same level. 🙌🏽
Bro I love this podcast sooooo much!!! I've been editing for my job for over 15 years and this is still helping me so much!
I would love to hear more about how you guys build/refine stories in the editing process
I've been an editor in the past, and this motivates me to start creating my own videos again. This podcast is amazing guys keep it up!
Gotta watch "Everything Everywhere All At Once" now!
It's such a great film! Hope you edit something great soon! 🙂
Hello! First off I am in love with this podcast and how much knowledge both of you possess and for you to share it with us is such an incredible gift! I am a fulltime editor and work for the channels BeckBroJack, PopularMMOs, and have gone to film school to study the gift of everything that goes into film making. I would love to see you guys do an episode sharing where you get all your sound effects from. Imo sound editing is one of the most crucial parts of editing and it can be quite difficult to find the right sound effects and music at times. I've even had to create my own Foley, look through different games and have browsed through various websites just to discover good sounds.
Everything I've seen from the two of you is always perfection and I'm very excited to learn more from the both of you 🙏🔥
When you talk about audience trust, youtube vs paid streaming services, I wonder if paying to watch changes the relationship between viewer and creator.
I have a lot of trouble with this and my audience. It's like life has trained them that videos and tutorials like mine would cost a lot of money to watch. Buy an expensive DVD or spend a few hundred dollars to watch the video tutorials. I get people complaining to me in person that I am damaging the industry by giving away the same thing for free. Then they complain about the ads on youtube.
There seems to be this perception that if there isn't a monetized price tag, what we create has no value. I don't think it should be this way.
And I don't know what to do about it but keep on improving what I make.
Very interesting perspective! It just could be that paying even $10 per month makes people value something more. Weird how that is.
@@EditingPodcast I wonder if it's part of the sunk cost fallacy. I paid money for this, therefore it has to be worth my time.
Or maybe people are just trained to value what costs money because this used to be the only way creators could earn a living from what they made?
All I know is I want to be part of the movement that fixes this. To help make information more accessible to people, no matter their income. Like what the library did for literacy, I think youtube could help people learn the skills they need to make their lives better - and be entertained in the process.
or just be entertained. That's always good too.
This video is a breath of fresh air in todays fast paced content world 😍
I just wanna say, when I watched Hillier's Pokemon video breakdown - the passion that was poured out in that video inspired me to do the same. To embrace the emotion and overthinking. It didn't come out as pretentious to me, it came out as: It's okay to be extremely passionate over what you enjoy. And that's editing and storytelling for Hillier. It inspired me a lot. Thank you for this channel btw, super great stuff for creators!
as an editor i appreciate all of the content youve made, your breakdown videos are so useful and inspire me to learn, and this podcast is honestly encouraging, ive never been so motivated to go out and edit, improve and make it in the editing world.
and i feel you about the self consiousness
Ditto.
Love the googly eyes on the white board. Solid addition. Also I’ve had this conversation between Strange and Everywhere with multiple people. Everywhere is in top 5 all time.
This became my favorite podcast the second it was announced
I watch TH-cam on my phone and put in full screen out of habit. Therefore, there is no recommendations distracting me.
I also use TH-cam for education, or podcast so it usually just stays in my pocket while I listen
Interview Casey he started to implement filmmaking skills, to create short movies on TH-cam so technically He started the movement to make TH-cam better with Story and emotional content.
So when they say people copy Casey.. it’s not true, they are copying Filmmaking rules. If you want to call it that.
Everything everywhere was a breathe of fresh air. I love how they played with aspect ratios. I love how the emotional climax was separate from the action climax but was also just as intense because of the editing and emotional weight of the story. They say a good movie can add years of emotional intelligence, this was one of those movies reminded me about the joy of cinema!!
Another wildly creative movie I’d recommend is house 1977 the Japanese horror comedy. It’s expands the box on what film making can be, just filmmakers having fun and doing art.
I love how you guys chose a different type of opening for your podcast than others.
Part of me feels like a youtube creator posting at a slower rate, like maybe once per month or once every few months, but with higher production is reminiscent of watching movies or series. It makes it an event I don't want to miss like a release in theatres.
Some youtubers I love only post once or twice per year, but I know that when they post, I can trust them to be worth watching from beginning to end. On the other hand, I watched Ryan Trahan's Penny series everyday when it came. So maybe the common denominator is simply good storytelling. Although I'm still not sure if it would be the only factor.
This podcast is giving me insights that I didn’t think was possible on TH-cam. You spoke about Hayden’s content breaking ground and I agree with that. I’d also like to acknowledge the ground you are both breaking with this video podcast. There are so many of these out there and they just interview and that’s the story but I really appreciate the way this podcast relays both of your experiences with these topics. Hopefully everyone else can appreciate that as much as I do. So thank you guy!
Everything Everywhere All At Once is literally the best movie I’ve watched in a long, long time. And I actually came across it from your recommendation Hayden.
I think we have a unique perspective of it as editors because each scene and transition and everything just feels so genius.
So thank you for that!!
Gotta see that!
Have you watched RRR it will be equally joyful if not better
Hayden I LOVE the breakdowns, last month I made a video on timelines using the storytelling themes from everything everywhere all at once & the video you edited for logan on the PSA 10 Pikachu. My absolute favorite video I have ever made which influenced my new style of creating, no joke I probably watched that breakdown at least 12 times till I internalized the "pretentious" lessons you shared lmao
THIS is my new favorite show! eagerly waiting for the next one ♥
A key mental switch here is about the word ‘content’. As long as TH-camrs call what they create ‘content’, it will only ever be that: stuff that ‘fills’ the platform, content, period. “What’s the content of that box?” “Oh, you know, odds and ends, stuff.”
No one who gets to put their work on Disney+ or Netflix would ever call their work that. Or does Christopher Nolan refer to his work as ‘content’? I believe the word plays an important role in this.
Since finding out you guys started a podcast, I've been binging all of them! Sooooo much value
Man they're pumping this stuff out quick
How lucky are we 😁
Awesome episode guys! This is my favorite content on TH-cam, you really inspire me and my creations . Keep going and thank you 😁
2:51 "I was in a daze after watching it" That feeling is why I love movies.
Hi Hayden! Just wanted to let you that the content you put out is very valuable to creators like us who have ZERO background in filmmaking. The explainer you made for Logan’s Pokémon video was a storytelling masterclass. Honestly, I don’t watch Logan and I don’t even remotely care about Pokémon (my apologies) but I did watch your video multiple times.
Hearing Hayden talk about his conflicting ideas was very engaging and encouraging to watch. I watch a lot of stuff on TH-cam and I find that I agree with his sentiment.
TH-cam has so many opportunities with long form content, but creators that try to pursue that type of content are punished and left by the wayside by the algorithm.
Those individuals should be praised for their hard efforts, not left to feel complacently hopeless.
The best way for this to change, is for the people who make "content" to start adopting the "why should the audience care" mentally and start producing story driven videos.
Ever since I watch your TH-cam channel you’ve helped me grow my TH-cam channel
I tend to gravitate towards indie films because those one tend to be the ones that feel fresh.
I feel like Hollywood has a formula they stick (and it works, so that’s fine) but indie film makers tend to take more risks, ands those risks tend to be the most memorable moments in film for me.
We've heard all about TH-cam from this platform creator, but I'm curious how nowadays real director/editor that have actually making movies and cinema see "TH-cam", what their perspective and what is their aproach if someone like Jimmy (MrBeast) was somehow call them and do a collab?, Anyway, great content as always! Love how Jordan do the Hook in here ❤️❤️❤️
this is my new favorite podcast. it's helping be such a better editor thanks guys
I forgot to watch this podcast episode, I went to watch Everything Everywhere All at Once as soon as you mentioned it. What an amazing film. loving the podcast.
A very compelling conversation.
I’ve been loving this podcast, and I think it would be great if you made an episode on music/sound design!
Another great pod, I see TH-cam as the next age of filmmaking and story telling.
This platform has what it takes to be the next "Hollywood" & over the years the improvements that have been made in the creator economy on the platform has been resembling more closely to great filmmaking. We're on the way there and it's only going to continue to grow more.
I'm looking forward to seeing you on the forefront of this push forward guys, thanks for bringing this content to TH-cam!
Loving this Podcast channel.
Would like to hear something about "Extraordinary attorney woo". I've only watched 30 minutes of the first episode and that was enough to hook me. It would also be refreshing to see a take on other countries film industries that have shown to make amazing shows/ movies (in this case, sepcifically, South Korea).
I feel so lucky to be able to watch the videos on the channel, its a true blessing, your dropping some Gems over here
This is my new favorite podcast!!
I would love to hear you talk about The Art Of The Cut.
The editing in Everything Everywhere all At Once is remarkable and something I want to achieve in my editing. This podcast is highly underrated and I love it
MY ABSOLUTE FAVORITE PODCAST
Best podcast in the game! 🔥
Please continue doing your thing. Your way of editing and storytelling is very inspiring
Honored to be this quick
Let's goooo
Btw,
I still think about the Pokemon video (the animation, the bookend editing, the emotion used through sound design and music) it's a video that stuck with me like the movies stuck with you both.
You are the best Hayden!❤ thanks a lot, your content are always inspiring~
Loving the podcast! Well done 👏
I’d love to hear a discussion about editing short videos.
Dude! Great podcast! This is my first time watching any of your videos, and I'm definitely subscribing! You were on fire with your analysis of the different platforms. Plus, you two have really good chemistry conversationally
Have not ever edited a video, but this is my favorite podcast. One of the only I can watch from beginning to end, and always be learning and never bored.
I'd like to suggest perhaps a hybrid idea for TH-cam or another platform, to encourage that higher level of commitment with higher quality content. What if there was a subscription option where if you subscribe to this channel, then when you are watching their videos, youtube doesn't suggest any other content to you until the video is over. Kind of a way of saying to the algorithm, "I really like the content from this channel, and when I click on it, I want to watch it without distractions." Perhaps even some kind of membership tier. I've thought for a while that youtube should have a built-in channel membership perk where if you join a channel, and pay however much per month, then you don't see any more ads when you are watching videos from that channel anymore. Like TH-cam Premium, but channel-specific. Channel Premium Members. No ads, and no video suggestions while watching a video, not until that video is over.
List of editors I would love to see in this how:
1 Mac from Airrack.
2 Finzar
3 Mrwhosetheboss editor
4 Dude Perfect's editors
5 Chris Heria's editor
Seems like I watch TH-cam not as like as TikTok: I choose creators I trust and watch their videos completely and on a regular basis. So I watch this channel in the same way:)
Thanks Guys, for me Fight Club is a movie that really stayed with me (it’s a cliched choice maybe but it’s still one of my favourite movies.) loving these podcasts, lots of insights
I'm glad this channel came up on my feed. I wanna be a filmmaker on TH-cam, and I think it's entirely possible. Of course I can't quite get there now
Never stop making these podcast! they're very rejuvenating! and Educational!
You can have something that's entertaining AND makes you feel/think, and EEAAO is one example. For too long, we've been limited by the attitude "when I watch a movie, I want to turn my brain off". You do you, but more is possible.
That was good stuff. Thanks for the upload, guys.
i’ve legit been waiting for this all week
Go for it Hiller. Express yourself through your content and the rest will follow. Easier said than done, but I believe that it is going to be epic.
E-xistential
C-reator
C-risis
Should, probably, be a t-shirt. Just sayin.
Also, please keep making this content. It's truly helpful.
I appreciate you guys
You alluding to the old studio system is insightful, I think,because that is exactly what we are watching re-form. Disney, Netflix, etc ARE vertically integrating in the same way, owning every step in the process from production to marketing to release and platform, and I'm sure TH-cam would LOVE to be the same way. Currently they have the platform and the audience bit much less control over the IP and creators. I'm sure they're LOVINGthe trend toward consolidation.
It is worth noting, however, that the " Streaming Studio System"that is establishing itself is precisely what is CAUSING the issue you pointed out in the start: audiences only watching the same regurgitated formulas and not leaving space for anything fresh. Turning TH-cam into more of a respectable machine is unlikely to produce fresh indie films and is more likely to produce more Marvel. But. The "content creators" will more universally make fucking loads of cash and respect.
LESS consolidation, breaking up the large companies, is going to do more for fresh ideas than TH-camrs having access to noce sets.
Lol. Guess I should have kept watching. Yes, make those billions. Corporitization is indeed the way toward more money and less art.
I agree with Jordan, your approach to education is unique and bloody refreshing! The amount of techniques I have learned from just watching your breakdowns is extraordinary! However, this give me confidence that you also have these negative thoughts, cause I feel them every frigging day! Thanks for sharing your wisdom, but also your insecurities!
13:44 imma be back real quick, i need to watch that!
common The Editing Podcast W. new #1 podcast. Rare Logan Paul L
Welp... I know what movies i'm watching this weekend. Awesome podcast per usual guys. Cheers!
hendry you should defiently check out rrr and kgf and do a breakdown of those movie edits
Yes YES YES!!! Thank you. Thank you! I am so glad y’all are doing this channel. Ever since the first HHS video I saw during the pand3mic I was wanting this level of depth on the process. All of these conversations you have together are so important. I’ve long been a fan of TH-cam and just ALL THE YES and THANK YOU.
I was actually thinking of this…. The fact that I was looking at the iPhone 14 pro max as an upgrade you’re saying I need nothing more than my iPhone se 2020 😮but with a better story? ❤😊I loved everything about this 🎉😅it’s chaotic and messy and I can’t wait to practice telling my story! Thanks Hayden and Hayden’s friend 😊
Sincere thank you Hayden and Jordan! Raza :)
Brilliant, really enjoyable guys!
Hey love the podcast just wanna say that the lighting is a bit too harsh, why not use a softbox or something?
The best podcast ever! Hayden, you're inspiring and raising the bar for the next generation of TH-cam! I'm so grateful for your impact on this platform!
10:30 I had that same exact revelation after I watched Top Gun. Yes I like marvel movies, but THAT is what a Movie is supposed to be!! At first I didn’t want to see it because I don’t care a thing about planes. But after I watched it I had realized, omg I cared about those people and plane!! whAt?!
Thought provoking convo guys! At the 20:18 mark, Hayden aren't you talking about TH-cam's Theater mode? Or are you saying you want TH-cam to never show suggestions?
Great question. I am pitching a world where TH-cam doesn't show suggested videos. When you watch Stranger Things there's no bar to the side with 20 other shows you can watch instead. - Hayden
@@EditingPodcast I'd love that. All the major streamers (HBO Max, Netflix, Disney+, Apple+, etc.) are brands. They are in control of the storytelling experience and the user interface experience on their apps. TH-cam is also a brand, which as you talked about invites everyone to contribute any content from poop to gold. But they don't allow the content creators to customize the user interface experience for their audience. Perhaps there's a compromise. If I go visit your channel, you should be able to control how it looks and feels, i.e. no side bar of suggested videos. (side note: I think that's what Vimeo tried to do) TH-cam then becomes a portal into other brands. Because, TH-cam is like Amazon, anyone can publish a book. But once you pick up that book, the creator controls the reading experience.
So we in Germany have a big TH-camr called "Julien Bam" hes making the best videos i have ever seen (including VFX, musik, Storytelling and so much more...)
I almost hate that you guys leave us wanting so much more lmao. Love this podcast keep it up!
Awesome guys, well done!!! I am going to watch Annihilation and Everything, Everywhere, All at once now 😃
The thing I enjoy about this movie the most is that even though it is very thought provoking and do touch some very deep subjects, Their approach was still very light-hearted and fun.
Such themes presented on the movie would easily be very dark and gloomy.
This is why humor in MCU does not really bother me because they could potentially be the same as this movie was, Unfortunately even with Taika Waititi, Whom always did a amazing job balancing humor with darker narrative such as Boy and Jojo Rabbit, They don't seem to get it right like this movie did...
Which is probably because of their already established formula.
You need to check Kris Antoinette YT channel, not the most frequent creator, but she turns a 3min tutorial into a 15min video with a story and attention to detail that is nuts, and it worked, I always end up watching all of it, she even has recurring characters !!
Really Helped A Lot...
I wonder what you guys would think of Robert Eggers films, The lighthouse, The Witch, and The Northman
A lovely informational video I saw was by Netflix explaining how they started, and their new cyberpunk.... trailer I review and maybe a breakdown on the chemistry on hayden channel 👀❤
The names of the videos are :
1. The story of Netflix, 25th anniversary
2. Cyberpunk edgerunners.
Great movie... however the everything is nihilistic but you can find meaning is like putting both feet in mid air and calling it solid ground. As long as you switch off you brain and realise the concepts are incoherent the actually filmmaking is a lot of fun.
One of the best podcast channel.
The ironic thing is that the style of video that the TH-cam algorithm likes the most is adrenaline-fuelled, deliberately ending before your appetite is sated rather than leaving the viewer satisfied; and it is this same adrenaline that the viewer seeks to sate through watching another video, which also keeps them in an unsettled state that increases the likelihood of their mind wandering rather than relaxing and investing in the story being shared with them. This is ironic because this state of alertness which is designed to boost engagement, also encourages a person to switch between platforms in order to find the wholly satisfying conclusion needed to leave a state of algorithmically-generated stress. By setting these terms with its algorithm, TH-cam is conditioning the viewer to not expect to feel fully sated and rewarded by their platform.
TH-cam has created a stimulus-led algorithm, but the algorithm lacks periodic circuit-breaker prioritisation; if the tension-cycle of films without a wholly satisfying conclusion goes on for enough cycles then it is necessary to leave, or to find someone who can successfully defy the algorithm to supply a true feeling of a satisfying conclusion which breaks the tension cycle. A Hollywood movie does come with the expectation that it will conclude in a way which fully rewards its viewers’ emotional and intellectual commitment to the project.
If you think of those machines at the arcade which gradually push a heap of 10p coins into the trays where the winner can collect them: sometimes none fall, and sometimes a few fall; the few deliver a bit of a reward so you might have a few more goes, but eventually you realise that the promise of a large amount of coins falling into the collection tray is not going to be delivered upon, so you leave for an experience that will leave you feeling satisfied.
I couldn’t get this movie off my mind..
I had to come over to TH-cam to watch the full vfx breakdowns, funny how it was edited on premiere pro😂❤️
Could you talk to Danny Gevirtz, heute bist shot a feature, but he comes from TH-cam and does incredible BTS.
This really is just the BEST podcast
I'd suggest watching 'Mine' 2016