Agreed. A lot of games have interesting bugs that make it more fun/entertaining. However, most game devs typically patch them which is rather unfortunate and renders the community's experimentation/research moot. An example of this is Minecraft. Worse yet, they rarely patch bugs that are actually detrimental but instead, quickly patch bugs that are harmless or offer an interesting mechanic to play with. On the other hand, some game devs embrace community feedback and fun quirks even if they have to rebalance it. Noita has been pretty consistent with this and it makes the game amazing.
@@Arm3dWithWings what are you smoking, Mojang is one of the most bug friendly devs ever ever. Theyve implemented almost every popular bug as a feature. You must be young, I've been playing since people called it an infiniminer clone, and I've seen the developers implement almost everything the community has ever asked for. Observers were literally a replacement for a big they removed. Farming materials was an emergent thing that was always janky and they never planned for, yet they still specifically implement new features avoiding breaking farms, and even features targeted toward existing farms. I could go on and on and on and on but this is TH-cam
Speaking of Minecraft, are you still able to squeeze into half-block gaps with elytra wings? When Etho built his hidden tunnels all around using that, it was like my favorite thing ever.
@@FuryForged as a matter of fact I'm glad you asked, they saw how people were using it and tweaked the behaviour to better suit those use cases they never thought of. Another great example from the developers, I wish more games were made with that approach
I thought any poly form will not affect peace with gods, apparently fish and sheeps do lmao. just visit like 3 parallel worlds to get that perk and gg.
I really love the fact that in Noita, players and dev team "work together" (battling) for a "game feature" (bug), rather than players fed up with dev team's "you have to play in my way" sh*t in any other games.
For anyone reading this: The new beta branch update is making it so you can only "safely" perk dupe once per run. Doing it more than once has a 50/50 chance to perma-poly you into a sheep, and this continues to happen for each dupe afterwards, and there is no way to avoid it. This is seeded, so there will probably be a way to determine how many dupes you can do with your seed without actually finding out the hard way. EDIT: Also, duping in parallel worlds is always a 50/50 regardless of if you've done it once already, from what I'm seeing.
Really don't like that change they might as well just outright remove it after the one safe dupe, this isn't making it harder this is making it unusable (without external seed tools that tell you how often you can dupe) and just punshing people for trying.
Love how the gods are just the stand-ins for the devs and they patch things as the gods. That alone is arguably more role-playing than I've seen in many "RPGs"
I didn't know you could do the poly trick on essence eaters, interesting. It seems that poly leads to so many different exploits in Noita, heh. That makes it all the more surprising how long it took someone to try doing it for the perk altar.
This morning, on the beta branch, perk duping has been patched. Now, instead of Stevari showing up first, it is ALWAYS Skoude *and* polying at the altar has a very high chance of you getting perma-polied. i.e. you poly into a sheep in order to dupe and, whoops, you are now a sheep forever. We're looking at this right now to see if there's still a way to work around it. Thank you for watching!! If you want to check my video on the Nullifying Altar itself, here you go: th-cam.com/video/4H2HNQazcFQ/w-d-xo.html and here is the link to my merch shop: furyforged-official.creator-spring.com/ I appreciate it - have a great day, everyone! Be safe, be kind to your fellow gamers, have fun, always keep searching!
wish I could've seen this earlier, this cost me my long run 🙃... I just had to be in beta. The perma-poly had me confused for hours I was like "huh ? I didn't poly 70-85 times what's going on why did the gods get pissed💀"
There is another way to stack more than 5 hungry ghosts, you need to reroll bug and then go get all of the hungry ghosts to spawn in without grabbing them and then you can go back and pick them up, avoiding the cap of 5
7:55 iirc it's also possible to get that many hungry ghosts by visiting many^100 holy mountains and rerolling in each of them until a hungry ghost perk shows up in each one (as the hungry ghost perk can still show up in the perk altars even if more then 5 of the hungry ghost perk has been spawned as long as the player character hasn't picked up more then 4 of them) and once the desired number of hungry ghost perks have been spawned, going back and picking them all up. though admittedly getting them this way is kind of insane, especially having perk duping was discovered, and could be considered to fall under the category of funky ways of getting 5+ ghost perks.
@@Buglin_Burger7878 i don't think so? at least I'm pretty sure i remember a Noita streamer using that exact strategy before perk duping was discovered to get like 20 hungry ghosts, and that wouldn't've worked if rerolls rerolled every holy mountain
Not simply by breaking them. You first would need to load in more than 5 Hungry Ghost perks before taking 5, which will then allow you to get more than 5. I already made a video on breaking the perk reroll machine though!
(Not actually true, it's outdated) (Or, maybe it is still true, I don't really know at this point) One small correction: you can get more than five hungry ghosts by breaking reroll machines, rerolling as many as you want until they have hungry ghosts among the choices, and then collecting all of those already rolled ghosts. Sorry for the confusing explanation, DunkOrSlam has done a video on this exact trick, it's called "Breaking Noita with the hungry ghost perk"
@@almdbttr7345if you never pick up the 5th one, it never gets removed from the perk pool so you can keep rolling it. Once you get it just don’t pick it up, and move on to the next hm. Once you’ve decided you have enough loaded in you can just go back to those hms and pick them up
@@theskiegringaseen yeah, but i wouldn't call it a "legit" way, as it's not an intended way because it requires either extreme luck, or outside-of-the-game influence (save reading, tools to brute force the position of a chest), so i guess it's not possible by normal means yet..
Recently i was doing a super nova run but i accidentally picked revenge rats, i was getting covered in slime everytime i got hurt so the stainless armors where useless, i decided to remove my perks so i didnt have the revenge rats, but for some reason my perks didnt disappear and they spawned infinite copies i have no clue how that happened, i picked up 65 stainless armors and there where still more ... and i still had revenge rats.... I just picked like 25 lives and made a healing tele wand for the saving grace e.e
evil game devs*: Instead of removing it let's give it a 50% chance of destroying your run by perma polying you if you do it more then once, with no way for the player to avoid it.
I know you’ve done a video on the music notes already, but how about one on the Kantele itself? I’ve found that with a single Add Mana and the notes, there are several ways to turn it into a ridiculously powerful machinegun wand that can take you through all the main areas and a good few bosses with ease. The combination of 20 spell slots and near-instant cast delay and recharge time make it lowkey the strongest wand you’ll find until TotA if you just have the Add Mana for it.
I feel like it would be more interesting if Steve spawned when the alter triggered rather than when you polymorphed. It would be slightly more complicated to deal with him imo. Also maybe I'm being a downer but I'm kinda bummed that it's so easy to just delete max-HP Kolmi nowadays. Kinda takes away from how impressive it feels.
and if you kill the sheep (statue pollymorfed) the homing spell still tracks the place where the statue was before "dying", so, it's like a mini gravity field where the homings can "park"
It's on my list of games to check out again, yep. Right now, on stream, I'm playing through one other game at a time, aside from Noita. And in my own time, I'm also playing through one game at a time. I have a BUNCH of games on my backlog I'm trying to get through. But I also have games like Loot River that I want to return to on stream to see how they've improved and then possibly make followup videos.
Just keep in mind that it has been patched on the beta branch and when that update makes it to the main branch of the game, it'll go like so: you are allowed to perk dupe once in the main world, when you go to parallel worlds to dupe more, there is a 50% chance you will be permanently polymorphed. So it's not really viable anymore, past the first one. I'll make an update video about it when that patch goes live.
this is cool and all, but doing this is basically asking for crash and save corruption + it's not like there's endgame content in the game that would necessitate becoming that powerful
None. I just wanted to cover it at the time for people who wanted to do this, but I myself was never interested in perk duping. This has been patched, btw. There’s a new method using Cessation to allow duping once, then if you try it more you get perma-poly’d.
Well, it’s funny you ask! I not only travelled 512 parallel worlds to both directions (the limit, basically) but I also travelled an equivalent distance upwards. Eventually, all vertical movement ceases, you can’t travel any higher (or lower) and only horizontal movement is allowed. You can just stand and chill at this roof of the world, hearing the “falling” sound endlessly, or you can teleport downwards in order to escape being stuck up there, and then enjoy the very long fall back down to the ground.
It’s actually the limit to the game’s engine. The math all breaks down at those points and the engine starts throwing floating point errors and doesn’t know what to do. We travel so far through the multiverse that reality starts getting torn apart, basically.
I like how instead of removing the bug, they just made it harder to do and made it a part of the game!
Agreed. A lot of games have interesting bugs that make it more fun/entertaining. However, most game devs typically patch them which is rather unfortunate and renders the community's experimentation/research moot. An example of this is Minecraft. Worse yet, they rarely patch bugs that are actually detrimental but instead, quickly patch bugs that are harmless or offer an interesting mechanic to play with. On the other hand, some game devs embrace community feedback and fun quirks even if they have to rebalance it. Noita has been pretty consistent with this and it makes the game amazing.
@@Arm3dWithWings what are you smoking, Mojang is one of the most bug friendly devs ever ever. Theyve implemented almost every popular bug as a feature. You must be young, I've been playing since people called it an infiniminer clone, and I've seen the developers implement almost everything the community has ever asked for. Observers were literally a replacement for a big they removed. Farming materials was an emergent thing that was always janky and they never planned for, yet they still specifically implement new features avoiding breaking farms, and even features targeted toward existing farms. I could go on and on and on and on but this is TH-cam
Speaking of Minecraft, are you still able to squeeze into half-block gaps with elytra wings? When Etho built his hidden tunnels all around using that, it was like my favorite thing ever.
@@FuryForged You still can
@@FuryForged as a matter of fact I'm glad you asked, they saw how people were using it and tweaked the behaviour to better suit those use cases they never thought of. Another great example from the developers, I wish more games were made with that approach
And to think the solution to the bugfix was as easy as "just get Peace with Gods perk 4head"
Amazing.
I thought any poly form will not affect peace with gods, apparently fish and sheeps do lmao. just visit like 3 parallel worlds to get that perk and gg.
I really love the fact that in Noita, players and dev team "work together" (battling) for a "game feature" (bug), rather than players fed up with dev team's "you have to play in my way" sh*t in any other games.
For anyone reading this: The new beta branch update is making it so you can only "safely" perk dupe once per run. Doing it more than once has a 50/50 chance to perma-poly you into a sheep, and this continues to happen for each dupe afterwards, and there is no way to avoid it. This is seeded, so there will probably be a way to determine how many dupes you can do with your seed without actually finding out the hard way.
EDIT: Also, duping in parallel worlds is always a 50/50 regardless of if you've done it once already, from what I'm seeing.
Really don't like that change they might as well just outright remove it after the one safe dupe, this isn't making it harder this is making it unusable (without external seed tools that tell you how often you can dupe) and just punshing people for trying.
apparently you can do it with the new cessation spell now
Can it perma cessation you too? Or does the "perma" only works with poly?
Love how the gods are just the stand-ins for the devs and they patch things as the gods. That alone is arguably more role-playing than I've seen in many "RPGs"
Honestly, an around 10-minute Fury video sounds like an upcoming dose of ancient wisdom and knowledge.
I didn't know you could do the poly trick on essence eaters, interesting. It seems that poly leads to so many different exploits in Noita, heh. That makes it all the more surprising how long it took someone to try doing it for the perk altar.
ive done a bit of modding for the game and everything involving poly is absolutely busted. its crazy how many issues it causes behind the scenes lol.
This morning, on the beta branch, perk duping has been patched. Now, instead of Stevari showing up first, it is ALWAYS Skoude *and* polying at the altar has a very high chance of you getting perma-polied. i.e. you poly into a sheep in order to dupe and, whoops, you are now a sheep forever. We're looking at this right now to see if there's still a way to work around it.
Thank you for watching!! If you want to check my video on the Nullifying Altar itself, here you go: th-cam.com/video/4H2HNQazcFQ/w-d-xo.html and here is the link to my merch shop: furyforged-official.creator-spring.com/ I appreciate it - have a great day, everyone! Be safe, be kind to your fellow gamers, have fun, always keep searching!
wish I could've seen this earlier, this cost me my long run 🙃... I just had to be in beta. The perma-poly had me confused for hours I was like "huh ? I didn't poly 70-85 times what's going on why did the gods get pissed💀"
So this exploit is basically:
I'm a god already, but i need *MORE* power...
Motivating
In a game where the final boss can have so much health that the game simply displays it as "infinity", there's always a bigger fish, I guess...
I stacked 69 hungry ghosts before the patches went in. Was pretty fun, boss HP overflowed.
Wow this is so much better than breaking the reroll machine
There is another way to stack more than 5 hungry ghosts, you need to reroll bug and then go get all of the hungry ghosts to spawn in without grabbing them and then you can go back and pick them up, avoiding the cap of 5
Fact: you can use invisiblium instead of ambrosia to avoid being killed by Scott
7:55
iirc it's also possible to get that many hungry ghosts by visiting many^100 holy mountains and rerolling in each of them until a hungry ghost perk shows up in each one (as the hungry ghost perk can still show up in the perk altars even if more then 5 of the hungry ghost perk has been spawned as long as the player character hasn't picked up more then 4 of them) and once the desired number of hungry ghost perks have been spawned, going back and picking them all up.
though admittedly getting them this way is kind of insane, especially having perk duping was discovered, and could be considered to fall under the category of funky ways of getting 5+ ghost perks.
I could be wrong, but don't re-rolls actually re-roll literally every holy mountain?
@@Buglin_Burger7878 i don't think so? at least I'm pretty sure i remember a Noita streamer using that exact strategy before perk duping was discovered to get like 20 hungry ghosts, and that wouldn't've worked if rerolls rerolled every holy mountain
It's not the *only* way to get more than 5 hungry ghosts. You can also just remove perks and go grab more perks from holy mountains.
[THE GODS ARE AFRAID]
8:00 You can also get more than 5 hungry ghosts by breaking the reroll machines
Not simply by breaking them. You first would need to load in more than 5 Hungry Ghost perks before taking 5, which will then allow you to get more than 5. I already made a video on breaking the perk reroll machine though!
The devs just tied the nullifying altar with the holy mountains and Gods. What are the lore implications of this?
The gods giveth, and the gods taketh?
(Not actually true, it's outdated)
(Or, maybe it is still true, I don't really know at this point)
One small correction: you can get more than five hungry ghosts by breaking reroll machines, rerolling as many as you want until they have hungry ghosts among the choices, and then collecting all of those already rolled ghosts.
Sorry for the confusing explanation, DunkOrSlam has done a video on this exact trick, it's called "Breaking Noita with the hungry ghost perk"
They nerfed this by removing hungry ghost from pool after 5 that video is outdated
@@almdbttr7345 that's a bit sad. Alright, good to know either way
@@almdbttr7345if you never pick up the 5th one, it never gets removed from the perk pool so you can keep rolling it. Once you get it just don’t pick it up, and move on to the next hm. Once you’ve decided you have enough loaded in you can just go back to those hms and pick them up
[> 34 orb Kolmi] wait, is there finally a legit way to obtain 34th orb or you just wanted to show off insane amount of damage?
Greater chest, thats it!
The eyes are still unsolved far as i know so chances are that the greater chests are the only way currently
@@theskiegringaseen yeah, but i wouldn't call it a "legit" way, as it's not an intended way because it requires either extreme luck, or outside-of-the-game influence (save reading, tools to brute force the position of a chest), so i guess it's not possible by normal means yet..
Great video, clear and to the point :)
Thanks Merp!
I love the idea of having fifty shields and being immune to Tankki
wait what if you use that new spell that removes you from the world for a few seconds?
This makes making 20k mana wands w High mana low cap alot easier
+ U bet im stacking 157 more blood
Just keep in mind that stacking more blood too many times WILL crash your game.
@@FuryForged yeah...during my sun seed quest run I had stacked 30 more blood...
1 spec of damage filled my screen with whiskey lol
Recently i was doing a super nova run but i accidentally picked revenge rats, i was getting covered in slime everytime i got hurt so the stainless armors where useless, i decided to remove my perks so i didnt have the revenge rats, but for some reason my perks didnt disappear and they spawned infinite copies i have no clue how that happened, i picked up 65 stainless armors and there where still more ... and i still had revenge rats....
I just picked like 25 lives and made a healing tele wand for the saving grace e.e
*regular game devs*: Oh hey an OP glitch, lets remove it
*based game devs*: Oh hey an op glitch, lets *integrate it into the game and balance it*
evil game devs*: Instead of removing it let's give it a 50% chance of destroying your run by perma polying you if you do it more then once, with no way for the player to avoid it.
I know you’ve done a video on the music notes already, but how about one on the Kantele itself? I’ve found that with a single Add Mana and the notes, there are several ways to turn it into a ridiculously powerful machinegun wand that can take you through all the main areas and a good few bosses with ease. The combination of 20 spell slots and near-instant cast delay and recharge time make it lowkey the strongest wand you’ll find until TotA if you just have the Add Mana for it.
What's 'TotA'?
@@johnpeiredaquavoii2213 Spoilers for a late-game area:
Temple of the Art
@@JamUsagi oh ok
lmao the Bok audio at the start
I wonder if we could substitute the cessation spell for poly in this process.
At first, yes. But then that was patched!
Great video as always 👍
I feel like it would be more interesting if Steve spawned when the alter triggered rather than when you polymorphed. It would be slightly more complicated to deal with him imo.
Also maybe I'm being a downer but I'm kinda bummed that it's so easy to just delete max-HP Kolmi nowadays. Kinda takes away from how impressive it feels.
did you know that you can polymorf the statue with a polly magician? at least you could before this update but i dont think the have patched that.
and if you kill the sheep (statue pollymorfed) the homing spell still tracks the place where the statue was before "dying", so, it's like a mini gravity field where the homings can "park"
now that i think about it, you could have an stationary healling base with an infinite circle of vigor and homing, just for fun
you can also explode yourself if you poly into a mushroom enemy and walk next to the statue. definitely didn't learn that by doing so myself...
Can you dup the essences and if so what happens when you break the orb? Or go to the moon?
Thanks, now I can do this properly :)
And I was just in the middle of breaking reroll machines... Shit...
Since peace with gods works, will having 4 of the More Love perk work as well?
nope I don't think so anyways
Can you dupe the essence perks?
Watch the video.
are you going to do more Loot RIver ?
It's on my list of games to check out again, yep. Right now, on stream, I'm playing through one other game at a time, aside from Noita. And in my own time, I'm also playing through one game at a time. I have a BUNCH of games on my backlog I'm trying to get through. But I also have games like Loot River that I want to return to on stream to see how they've improved and then possibly make followup videos.
@@FuryForged cool, looking forward to it. Whenever you get to play it😘
this is amazing. I gotta try it
Just keep in mind that it has been patched on the beta branch and when that update makes it to the main branch of the game, it'll go like so: you are allowed to perk dupe once in the main world, when you go to parallel worlds to dupe more, there is a 50% chance you will be permanently polymorphed. So it's not really viable anymore, past the first one. I'll make an update video about it when that patch goes live.
@@FuryForged eh, well, that's no good
although, there should be some cheeky way to un-polymorph yourself
Can u add multiplayer to Noita 2???
just use the noita together mod
im awake
this is cool and all, but doing this is basically asking for crash and save corruption + it's not like there's endgame content in the game that would necessitate becoming that powerful
What is the point of going to all this effort instead of just going to parallel world holy mountains for perks?
None. I just wanted to cover it at the time for people who wanted to do this, but I myself was never interested in perk duping. This has been patched, btw.
There’s a new method using Cessation to allow duping once, then if you try it more you get perma-poly’d.
WHAT THE HECK
I've never seen a ghost
Could you stack a ton of glass cannons?
Unfortunately, no. Glass Cannon has a hard coded limit of 2.
Who knows what will happen if you climb infinitely up or infinitely down in noita?
Well, it’s funny you ask! I not only travelled 512 parallel worlds to both directions (the limit, basically) but I also travelled an equivalent distance upwards.
Eventually, all vertical movement ceases, you can’t travel any higher (or lower) and only horizontal movement is allowed.
You can just stand and chill at this roof of the world, hearing the “falling” sound endlessly, or you can teleport downwards in order to escape being stuck up there, and then enjoy the very long fall back down to the ground.
@@FuryForged Thanks for the answer, the solution is not exactly in the style of the developers of noita, but as it is, it is.
It’s actually the limit to the game’s engine. The math all breaks down at those points and the engine starts throwing floating point errors and doesn’t know what to do. We travel so far through the multiverse that reality starts getting torn apart, basically.
Black magic