A cub motor is designed for wide open high revs. Definitely not for just cruising around you should get a 421 serval, that would suit your ride style from what I can see.
No matter what one i rode a 250r, Tecate, Lt250r, Quadzilla, Yfs200, Trailblazer, Trailboss Banshee and several bikes they all did them same things. Plain and simple it's a 2 stroke thing. It might be more pronounced with motor size and the type of porting but still well known cons of any 2 stroke. They don't have much torque so they don't lug well and are more of a workout to ride any tight terrain. I haven't seen many 2 smokers to start without blipping or cracked throttle either. These days no one buys one to not be in the PB or to lug and should expect it to start more finicky then the opposed 4 stroke. I bought my Banshee for the oh shit factor, mid to full throttle runs, the sound and the instant fear it strikes in most 4 Jokers minds. I most definitely didn't buy it to lug or ride on anything short n winding.
Lol I read the comments and think wtf, have none of these people watched the other videos because they say things you already know. Almost like they think you bought the bike recently 🤣🙈. Man I miss mine, let's hope things go back to normal so I can get it fixed and ride again!!
@@frankie9660 the fmf small pipe that's made for woods riding....low end grunt! They're smaller diameter but longer! Check them out if you want that low end!
To me it sounds ritch. Drop a size on the main,or lower the needles a clip at a time to see if that helps. The pilot jet may need to go down 1 size also.
It doesn't sound right, theres something wrong with it and if your power band kicks in to late I would put stock pipes back on it but I'm pretty sure something is wrong with the motor or carbs.
Lol these people in the comments are idiots😂 watch some more videos. The guy is not ignorant of his bike, and will probably out ride most of you. Good video. Real riders and builders will know what you're talking about. Also for you slow people he was lugging it on purpose to give an example. If you're to slow to see that you definitely don't need to be riding banshees or even in the market for one😂😂
@@banshee100 You got me wanting to go out to the shop and start pulling mine apart and rebuild the crank. It's been down for a year or more. Im getting banshee fever!!!
I don't care what anyone has to say about you everyone else in the world knows you got the baddest bike on TH-cam whoever watches your video don't know what to
It's been awhile sine I've visited you my friend...I have alot of catching up to do! Hope Mr. Nasty is still in the picture. This Banshee sounds a little rich?? Hope all is well, family is healthy & your daughter is riding with you. EDIT: Is this a project piece? I'm only about 7 minutes in, so if you answer any of this coming up, my apologies. lolol
So what your saying is, that's the way you have to ride it when riding with other people to make them feel better🤣🤣🤣. I will give mine a try like this soon and see if it does the same, thanks for the info.
These motors aren’t 4 strokes they don’t lug around. You have to really let it get high in the rpm. Try not to shift till each hear won’t let you go any faster.
Thats not true my husband had a full bolt on banshee that I learned to ride on that was my very first atv that I rode with a clutch and i could putt around on it all day and it never fouled plugs or anything thats how I rode it until I got used to it
He said he wanted to show how long it took to get in power pand in six 🤣🤣🤣 every bike will do that definitely two strokes will show it alot so not sure what point he is trying to bring up
Hellcat. Is poorcat. Looki here freeze your gas overnight before you ride buddy 110 is best if you keep it in a deep freezer over night make sure is ice cold before you fill the gas up. lol. Hey I mufflerwrap my pipes 100 feet guess what the tail pipes get lava red the heat is pushed down passed the baffles And the tail pipes get red hot and the bike doesn’t over heat the heat is pushed back towards the tail pipes is awesome love the view man thanks for the information
Drive it like a bat out of hell. That's how you are supposed to ride a banshee. Full throttle every gear. Put it in third gear, Rev engine, dump the clutch, and full throttle.
Hey buddy i want u to know i don't care what anyone says about u but u have the badest bike on TH-cam believe me bro you got the baddest fastest nastiest Banshee bike on TH-cam I'll put money on that and I'll put money on your quad all day long bro put it up against the 700 you gotten off of money on it you got the baddest B on TH-cam
I have a 421 Cub Serval and it is built exactly to the same specs as yours same pipes same crank same everything except mine is a Serval I run smaller domes for pump gas but I start making power I think it was between 3600 and 3800 rpm the Serval starts making power and a Cub doesn't start making power till like 6800 rpm my builder even told me he says in a drag race a serval making 80 horsepower can easily beat a cub making 90 horsepower in a drag race just because you start making power sooner yes you might not make quite as much peak horsepower but if you're barely able to drive the thing in anything except asphalt then what's the use of it unless you're drag racing more straight line stuff
Maybe if you're racing dynos in 5th gear I have races ported seals on racegas and still beat them ,under the curve a serval makes power faster yes but you don't race a cub in the wrong gear ,example serval 3600 50whp 8000 80whp my cub revs to 9700 98whp you may have alittle more down low buy the top whp will always come back around ,but yes a serval is better all around woods motor no doubt
Also my vid shows it jetted 1 main jet rich when I drop to a 152 main it don't do these things ,I just want to keep it on rich side still should be 95whp with 155 main
All these issues that you don't like would be fixed if you were to buy a Cub Serval that's why the servals were brought out the Cub motor is a drag race motor they are all top and people that buy them and try to build them for the trail it never will work you can't get that low end power band with a motor with extremely high exhaust port durations high transfers and high exhaust ports give you lots of power let's keep run lots of timing and lots of compression but they don't make power till the top end that's the drawback to them
@@banshee100 I'm not trying to be a dick dude. Not opening up is either gonna be your main is too small and your needle is too low or both. Powerband is controlled by the Reed valves. I'm sure you know all of this tho
@@smokenbrokegarage2709 it's not a jetting issue. It's just as he stated one of the downfalls of a cub motor. Watch his other videos. That baby on kill.🥶
It’s running fat for sure, and the fact it’s a cub motor (no bottom) and running the shearers (no bottom) makes it really seem off. I run a 472 ss with shearers, good amount of timing and race gas. I love it, but tbh I’ve never drag raced it on pavement
Lol of course it ain't hitting powerband you're granny shifting it should be wide open powerband every gear flat shifting. I'll come show you how it's done if you want boy. And hill climbing you should be on the clutch it's a 2 stroke lol that's how u ride em none of this pop the clutch out and putt putt shit
“ Red -necks” & “ Two-strokes” don’t apparently mix well😉😆👍. A Banshee was made for “ Gettin it on “ out in the dunes and they love upper RPM ranges . Never were meant as “ Low RPM Torque monsters. Most will run up around 100 mph in dunes topped out in 6th…… don’t short shift up & up & up , gear after gear. Let “ Er Rip “ 👍. And run good oil & premium fuel if it’s got porting / pipes/ aftermarket heads & reeds. Have fun & keep it rubber side down man!🤞
Every time i see a banshee video i immediately regret selling mine and go look for a used one, then realize they cost more now then they did new.
Goes in last gear going 20 waiting for it to hit power band
A cub motor is designed for wide open high revs. Definitely not for just cruising around you should get a 421 serval, that would suit your ride style from what I can see.
Lol nah watch the others vids
Still want a cub engine in mine. Good video thanks 4 sharing it.
No matter what one i rode a 250r, Tecate, Lt250r, Quadzilla, Yfs200, Trailblazer, Trailboss Banshee and several bikes they all did them same things. Plain and simple it's a 2 stroke thing. It might be more pronounced with motor size and the type of porting but still well known cons of any 2 stroke. They don't have much torque so they don't lug well and are more of a workout to ride any tight terrain. I haven't seen many 2 smokers to start without blipping or cracked throttle either. These days no one buys one to not be in the PB or to lug and should expect it to start more finicky then the opposed 4 stroke. I bought my Banshee for the oh shit factor, mid to full throttle runs, the sound and the instant fear it strikes in most 4 Jokers minds. I most definitely didn't buy it to lug or ride on anything short n winding.
Every time I warm up my KX85 powerband don't work until it's all the way warm
Stop short shifting it Rev the gear out before shifting its not going to lug
Maybe pull plugs check plug color for rich or lean condition and dial in your carbs from there it should help keep it on the pipe.
Lol I read the comments and think wtf, have none of these people watched the other videos because they say things you already know. Almost like they think you bought the bike recently 🤣🙈. Man I miss mine, let's hope things go back to normal so I can get it fixed and ride again!!
Excellent comments
At lower rpm it almost sounds like it's running on 1 cylinder so check your ignition system cause you might have weak spark.
About every 2stroke bike I've had, to start you had to open the throttle.
Me too
Most of that is just big pipe banshee traits than anything else, it’s not a CR/KX 500
If he put ssr on it then it would start easy and be a torque monster but his exhaust is made for top end!
Exactly
@@leehuntley189 ssr?
@@frankie9660 the fmf small pipe that's made for woods riding....low end grunt! They're smaller diameter but longer! Check them out if you want that low end!
To me it sounds ritch. Drop a size on the main,or lower the needles a clip at a time to see if that helps. The pilot jet may need to go down 1 size also.
My 250r is like that I thought all two stroke need a little gas
It doesn't sound right, theres something wrong with it and if your power band kicks in to late I would put stock pipes back on it but I'm pretty sure something is wrong with the motor or carbs.
Lol these people in the comments are idiots😂 watch some more videos. The guy is not ignorant of his bike, and will probably out ride most of you. Good video. Real riders and builders will know what you're talking about. Also for you slow people he was lugging it on purpose to give an example. If you're to slow to see that you definitely don't need to be riding banshees or even in the market for one😂😂
Facts
@@banshee100 You got me wanting to go out to the shop and start pulling mine apart and rebuild the crank. It's been down for a year or more. Im getting banshee fever!!!
Awesome demo of the cub
My cp 392 cub always cranked without throttle until I smoked the crank bearings AGAIN. 🤬
That’s how all cubs are. Mine does the same thing and it’s been tuned multiple times
Yeap
Are those big bore or small bore shearer pipes? I’m trying to build like it but on pump gas.
Small
That's a tuning thing 😂
My cub turns on quick but probably cuz we built it not to long ago
You can adjust when your powerband kicks in tho? Set it to engage at lower rpms
I don't care what anyone has to say about you everyone else in the world knows you got the baddest bike on TH-cam whoever watches your video don't know what to
One badass machine there I’ll tell you!
It's been awhile sine I've visited you my friend...I have alot of catching up to do! Hope Mr. Nasty is still in the picture. This Banshee sounds a little rich?? Hope all is well, family is healthy & your daughter is riding with you.
EDIT: Is this a project piece? I'm only about 7 minutes in, so if you answer any of this coming up, my apologies. lolol
It's doing good everthing great
More king quad?
Seems more like a dune motor, not so much on the trails
Some
My cub starts with no throttle and has lots of low end im at +7 timing pwk 34 carbs 21cc domes 155 psi pump gas
Mines just over jetted for safely
So what your saying is, that's the way you have to ride it when riding with other people to make them feel better🤣🤣🤣. I will give mine a try like this soon and see if it does the same, thanks for the info.
Yea lol try and see need some feedback
These motors aren’t 4 strokes they don’t lug around. You have to really let it get high in the rpm. Try not to shift till each hear won’t let you go any faster.
Thats not true my husband had a full bolt on banshee that I learned to ride on that was my very first atv that I rode with a clutch and i could putt around on it all day and it never fouled plugs or anything thats how I rode it until I got used to it
Hey someone at Houston valley told me about you that you close to town I need to get some carb work done to my banshee
"You don't buy a Banshee to put-put around."😂
Booo
Sounds like you are not revving it enough. It's not set up for low speed putting around, but it will rip in the sand dunes.
Shifting too fast
Ide shift fast too on a stock length cub!
Yep. why it’s not hitting powerband you have to rev it out.
He said he wanted to show how long it took to get in power pand in six 🤣🤣🤣 every bike will do that definitely two strokes will show it alot so not sure what point he is trying to bring up
Sound good mb
Good info
Hellcat. Is poorcat. Looki here freeze your gas overnight before you ride buddy 110 is best if you keep it in a deep freezer over night make sure is ice cold before you fill the gas up. lol. Hey I mufflerwrap my pipes 100 feet guess what the tail pipes get lava red the heat is pushed down passed the baffles And the tail pipes get red hot and the bike doesn’t over heat the heat is pushed back towards the tail pipes is awesome love the view man thanks for the information
He knows you got to let it scream, hes just showing the downsides to a cub, sheesh....
Yeap these people lol
@@banshee100 nice video!
Thanks
Drive it like a bat out of hell. That's how you are supposed to ride a banshee. Full throttle every gear. Put it in third gear, Rev engine, dump the clutch, and full throttle.
My 410 banshee done the same thing starting
Sounds like NITRO being hit with a hammer 🛠, bad ass machine 🙏
Damn you still got this thing lol
Yes sir here to stay
Hey buddy i want u to know i don't care what anyone says about u but u have the badest bike on TH-cam believe me bro you got the baddest fastest nastiest Banshee bike on TH-cam I'll put money on that and I'll put money on your quad all day long bro put it up against the 700 you gotten off of money on it you got the baddest B on TH-cam
Thanks thomas
Sounds like you need to dial that thing in lmao
I have a 421 Cub Serval and it is built exactly to the same specs as yours same pipes same crank same everything except mine is a Serval I run smaller domes for pump gas but I start making power I think it was between 3600 and 3800 rpm the Serval starts making power and a Cub doesn't start making power till like 6800 rpm my builder even told me he says in a drag race a serval making 80 horsepower can easily beat a cub making 90 horsepower in a drag race just because you start making power sooner yes you might not make quite as much peak horsepower but if you're barely able to drive the thing in anything except asphalt then what's the use of it unless you're drag racing more straight line stuff
Maybe if you're racing dynos in 5th gear I have races ported seals on racegas and still beat them ,under the curve a serval makes power faster yes but you don't race a cub in the wrong gear ,example serval 3600 50whp 8000 80whp my cub revs to 9700 98whp you may have alittle more down low buy the top whp will always come back around ,but yes a serval is better all around woods motor no doubt
Also my vid shows it jetted 1 main jet rich when I drop to a 152 main it don't do these things ,I just want to keep it on rich side still should be 95whp with 155 main
Maybe even look at any odd wear or cracks in your reeds
Jetting!
You’re shifting so early let that fucking thing scream
Sounds like carbs problem maybe need to go bigger
All these issues that you don't like would be fixed if you were to buy a Cub Serval that's why the servals were brought out the Cub motor is a drag race motor they are all top and people that buy them and try to build them for the trail it never will work you can't get that low end power band with a motor with extremely high exhaust port durations high transfers and high exhaust ports give you lots of power let's keep run lots of timing and lots of compression but they don't make power till the top end that's the drawback to them
It has plenty of power down low any not going to have a whole lot of power before the poweband, but a serval is better to match stock curves
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Use champion n-1 spark plugs. Way better than. NGk. They. Suck buddy. Try. Them awesome. My bike cranked right up first kick for six months
Have you thought about trying a different carb combo?
I have thought about themselves tuning ones at one point
@@banshee100 I run 35mm pwk carbs on my 392 cub and it's night and day from the factory carb junk.
You need to rejet and maybe run a little more lean then what u are I've had my cub and never had those low end sputter
Is it possible to pull wheelie with this at slow speeds with clutch for example or Will that just loop it
It will yes
@@banshee100 so only high speed wheelies
Fatten up your pilot circuit for starting
Makes it worse iv tried 45 pilot to 58
@@banshee100 does it still have that stupid yamaha tss hooked up? Any I've ever worked on I disconnected it
@@smokenbrokegarage2709 no
Are these ported cub cylinders or stock cubs?
Non ported
First thing seem like tps
It is your idle adjustment bigger pilot not the motor 😉and bigger main jet get richer not poorer lol 😆leaner.
Not cool making a video of Mr nasty with no power wheelies
True
My yz85 was the same way with no torque but once you actually hit powerband she'll come up no problem and did 75mph on it
What would you recommend for a dirt road / trail bike?
400ex or z400 kfx400
Sorry bout that I did word it wrong, I meant like engine set up on banshee
What would you recommend for engine set up on banshee for trail / dirt road ripping
421 serval
Do I need to upgrade my crank or clutch or anything?
put a bigger sprocket on it
Try putting bigger jets on it if it’s got more fuel it might hit the power band faster
She's nasty say it for us one time.. he is listening..
Actually after watching your video you have serious jetting issues
Lol ok
@@banshee100 I'm not trying to be a dick dude. Not opening up is either gonna be your main is too small and your needle is too low or both. Powerband is controlled by the Reed valves. I'm sure you know all of this tho
@@smokenbrokegarage2709 it's not a jetting issue. It's just as he stated one of the downfalls of a cub motor. Watch his other videos. That baby on kill.🥶
Man it seems like my stock shee has more power then that maybe its your jetting and pipe
Lol
Also take no advice from someone who uses 4 fingers to clutch.
It’s running fat for sure, and the fact it’s a cub motor (no bottom) and running the shearers (no bottom) makes it really seem off. I run a 472 ss with shearers, good amount of timing and race gas. I love it, but tbh I’ve never drag raced it on pavement
Yea I could jet it down 1 jet and it's perfect ,I just choose to make it fat
To rich
That’s isn’t jetted right
You like to comment a lot of negative crap what you don't know is I made it rich for this video just to show that it don't run correctly,
Pig rich up top
Jetting
You don't know how to ride it or you don't have timing right something is off because I ran a cub 421 and it was bad to the bone
Lol it was for views 🤣
Lol of course it ain't hitting powerband you're granny shifting it should be wide open powerband every gear flat shifting. I'll come show you how it's done if you want boy. And hill climbing you should be on the clutch it's a 2 stroke lol that's how u ride em none of this pop the clutch out and putt putt shit
Omg these comments crack me up you must of seen just one video of mine 🤣
“ Red -necks” & “ Two-strokes” don’t apparently mix well😉😆👍. A Banshee was made for “ Gettin it on “ out in the dunes and they love upper RPM ranges . Never were meant as “ Low RPM Torque monsters. Most will run up around 100 mph in dunes topped out in 6th…… don’t short shift up & up & up , gear after gear. Let “ Er Rip “ 👍. And run good oil & premium fuel if it’s got porting / pipes/ aftermarket heads & reeds. Have fun & keep it rubber side down man!🤞
Lol 😆 I'll do anything for views
Apparently you just seen 1 of my vids 😆
He lives in Tennessee...long way away from dunes! He definitely needs to see your other vids! I miss mine!
Idk but I think you're running it to soft and the mane jet is to big the pilot jet seams good when you start it that's just 2 stokes
Holy shit dude,go back to 3rd grade and learn to spell.
It’s jus yours
It's jetted rich jet it down it don't do it
Just go by a raptor