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Oh look, another Pixar Trailer, another concern. I don't mean for it to be this way, it's just... Pixar's Elemental looks awfully safe and generic to me. Sure, it's a brand new original world with great gags, worldbuilding and Pixar charm... but the flaws that it does have leave me particularly perturbed. So here is a little mini episode about Why Pixar's Elemental Concerns Me...
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Or hey! Maybe they'll give us a semi-twist that they actually physically CAN'T mix and it's a breakdown of the trope entirely! Iunno..
I dunno, way I see it everybody's fine, but Fire is incredibly fragile and can be outright killed by contact with Water. Like, there's some level of Fire harming the world around them, and that being their only form of interaction, but really like, out of all of these you're totally fine unless you're fire at which point you are actually going to die if you touch water and you'll probably mess up any Earth person you touch.
Still, kind of lame that they took this concept and the only message they could think of is "Segregation Bad" I was hoping for, y'know, something. Anything really.
Don't have much hope for this, but I'll wait for it to come out I suppose.
Don't you know that Love is the strongest element of all? 🙃
@@joshuab3918 "Watch these Wacky Characters try to fight the rise of a foe that threatens to render them obsolete: The Periodic Table of Elements"
I mean the director has explicitly said this was supposed to be a metaphor for interracial relationships, so...
I lunno either
What disappoints me the most is the worldbuilding, actually: like, they could have tried a little harder for the names of the cities instead of straight up "Fire City" and "Element City". Imagine if your home was called "Human City".
It makes you think that Fair City from Wordgirl is a master stroke in naming.
@@lozlover8107 childhood memory unlocked ❤
@@arodriguez96 that show still holds up. Got a favorite villain? Mine are Tobey and Chuck.
@@lozlover8107 good question aha. I love Dr. Two-Brains and Tobey :)
Fire City should've been called "Pyropolis", Water City "Hydropolis" etc.
theres 100% gonna be a scene where he accidentally hurts her and she runs back to her family sad and her grandma says something similar " I told you he was trouble " or her supporting her to go back to him
edit: i get it i was wrong , this comment came out before the movie came out now can yall stop acting like smartasses
I thought that Too! I feel like the story needs some work since so far, It’s pretty predictable. I’m excited for the movie though, and I hope it’s good! :D
Yup, can't wait to not watch this movie lol
Lets see😐
My eyes rolled to the back of my head because I know it's gonna happen. Tbh this movie seems so predictable we should turn it into a game of bingo and put everything we think is going to happen on the sheet. Who ever get bingo by the end of it gets movie tickets to a any movie of their choice.
@@thatonegirlwholikespokemon8829 my brother and I did a bingo card for the 2016 Blair Witch movie so maybe we'll do it with this one lol
I would love for it to, instead of going with "You guys can't be together because Elements NEVER mix.", to go with "You guys literally can't be together, it would kill one or both of you." And have the movie be them trying to find a way around that.
Even better if, in the end, they can't find a workaround and have to accept that their life has limitations, but they can still find happiness and purpose with another.
Yes. This. This is perfect, Disney would never go for it, but I would absolutely love for this to be how it ends.
It reminds me of when in Adventure Time, Finn was together with Flame Princess
@@a22024 Life lesson achieved, sounds like a good kids movie. There are some things in the world you can't fix yourself, so you just gotta find happiness in what you have. In other words, be grateful.
Imagine if this movie started off with this generic plot line, but then find out it's actually dangerous for fire girl and water boy to be too close. They try to hold hands only to find fire girl loses her hand because... well... water kills fire...
And water boy loses his hand due to vaporisation... because of this they agree it's best they just stay friends... but then due to the villain seeing this interaction, he finds a way to use the mix of elements as a weapon
They would experiment unethically by mixing different elements.. wind adds life to fire. Water makes the earth grow etc. And it's how he figures which different elements are best suited to make an alience with...
By the end the characters realise that instead of using the mix of elements to attack or hurt others, they can use it to boost themselves to perform their duties better and more efficiently but in a safe manor.. fire and water could still mix so long as wind or grass is there to help spread the flame to regenerate what is lost from the fire
And water can use the moisture in the air and humidity to regenerate themselves
This story would teach children how elements work when mixed in a literal sense, there would be high stakes and danger, but how these stakes can help create a better future and allow humankind can move forward in a better light and knowledge
That would require not capitalizing on the most low-hanging fruit AKA Disney's entire strategy
Beautiful 👏 👏 👏
Your story is probably much more profound than what we will receive. Hope we'll have something like that, but i doubt it, seems like too "mature" of a theme for Disney (nice idea tho, i would love to watch an animated movie on that)
The whole plot is to prevent water from destroying a town. Here's the synapsis:th-cam.com/video/gbCK_kE8AJ8/w-d-xo.html
Once one of the characters said “elements cannot mix!” I internally groaned that Pixar’s going to go down that route
What route?
The whole movie is going to be a metaphor about miscegenation
It's just Zootopia with a different coat of paint.
"elements cannot mix!"
THEN WHY DO YOU LIVE IN THE SAME CITY TOGETHER?!?!?
And what frustrates me is that don't elements have to mix in order to create a cycle of life?!
Doesn't water have to water the earth to make plants?! Doesn't water fuse with air to make clouds?! Doesn't fire cook the food the elements needs to eat and just provide warmth to the other elements when they're cold?!
Sure, elements can be destructive but that's when they're left unchecked (e.g floods, hurricanes). If anything, don't the elements need each other in order to be stable?
To further the train thing, why did the teaser trailer clearly show lots of elements interacting in a generally positive sense if they can’t mix??
I think "mix" is meant more as... they all have their own families n places to be n whatnot. Nothing stops them from still interacting on commutes
@@nyancat8828 If "mix" literally means 'befriend or romance" then sure. But if they meant to go for the racism allegory(which is the vibe I got initially)... I mean, NOT interacting on commutes is literally segregation.
I'm not sure if the race allegory is what they're going for or not, but the vibes are confusing as is. It looks like only the fire people are 'segregated'. Hopefully the worldbuilding and themes will turn out better and less contradictory in the actual movie, but right now it's no promising.
I think maybe the fire people believe elements can't mix? Like I guess the fire people are ""racist"" and their daughter is going to show them the way? I just get that feeling since we don't really see other young fire people in the trailers (Ember's father, grandmother mostly are the ones telling her elements can't mix)
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@@peppersaltsman6044 okay, but they literally can’t mix though? it’s water and fire, two things that can’t even touch. I feel like if you’re gonna do a race allegory, this is not it cause it makes sense why they would think that. I just feel like this is just a generic forbidden love story, not a race story imo
This is more a personal thing, but I really hope they make the fire girl and water boy be like, best friends instead of the typical “lovers who can’t be together because of random differences”
Edit: NOOO THEYRE GONNA KISS UGGHH NEVERMIND
YES
The thing is, that has been done already, with Zootopia, and even Pixar did it already with Luca.
Yeah ik, but I hope they do it again tbh
I really hope they’re just friends, romance has become so over saturated nowadays. What happened to friendship???
@@cupio-stardust yeah exactly, you get me
The fence joke actually makes me think how much better they could of made this. Imagine if each element had their own civilisations based on their elements, instead of looking like a city made for humans.
Feels like a copy of Zootopia.
Animals:elements
Predator and prey= Opposites
Fire and water=Opposites
The 2 opposites go on a adventure.
Zootopia:element city
Yupppp
Except at least Zootopia was interesting and had a plot outside of “lol family business and forbidden love trying to rip off R&J go brrr”
@@TaeKwonWhoa true
THANK YOU! I've been saying this alot
@@TaeKwonWhoa
I agree. Also, I don't see the leads having as much charm and chemistry as Nick and Judy
@@bluecherry1011 these new ones seem like hella flat characters to me rn
Everybody jokes that Pixar films are ''What if blank had feelings.'' and it's largely true. One of the biggest things that Pixar seems to forget is that what the characters are is integral to the story.
Toy Story can not happen if characters are anything else than toys.
Even Cars 1 and 3 have a reason to be cars. If Lightning was a human he would just need a newer car.
Everybody talked about how the Good Dinosaur is just a boy and his dog story but with a dinosaur as an owner and a human boy as a dog. The magical world of Onward is just our world with fantasy creatures and fantasy gags mixed in.
Pixar used to make human stories in fantastical worlds. Now they are turning fantastical worlds into cities and suburbs. the ''realism'' is holding them back.
Nemo had a reason to be a fish. Doug had a reason to be a dog. Bugs didn’t NEED to be bugs but it would’ve been too on the nose if they were people. Zootopia wasn’t Pixar but they got the reasons right.
We’ll see how elementals do.
Inside Out was "what if feelings had feelings?" lol
THIS! I was thinking while watching, "Why did the elements make human cities? Why are the air elementals living on the ground just like the others? Why is it just Big CityTM but swap people with elements?" It's so boring! ATLA did it WELL by creating/using different cultures and styles for each of the elements. And most fantasy worlds (LOTR, Narnia,) have extensive histories that show how the world was shaped. But this leaves out how and why all the cities are like that. There's a bunch of "basics of worldbuilding" videos that I feel like Pixar need to rewatch?
Pixar was never good at writing.
literal copypaste comment lol
Don’t forget, if this movie does well it might get a sequel in the future and move on from the “fire and water can’t mix” plot for something new
Oh hey, what’s up?
i hope that happens
Because Pixar is well known for its not totally shitty sequels that add nothing to the original at best and retroactively undermine what came before at worst.
And for any of y'all that are gonna mention Toy Story, that's the only attempt at sequel series in their entire catalogue that's actually good, and they made sure to fuck that good record up with Toy Story 4.
im not forgiving what you did
@@portal_fan_69 what'd he do
you know what would be a really good plotline/twist for me ? if the main characters by the end realise that their differences are too many and that they actually can't mix so they decide to part ways or, even better, just remain friends. it would be so good to see the moral of the film being "sometimes a romantic relationship doesn't work out and you have to split up, and that's okay", it would be a vast contrast to the evil ex trope we've seen time and time again. it can teach kids that your partner being toxic or abusive isn't the only reason for you to break up with them and that yes, opposites attract, but if they are too opposite it's just not gonna work out. an extra lesson could be that no, you don't have to say goodbye to your ex forever. just because romance didn't work for you doesn't mean you have to make it dramatic. sometimes friendship is just the better option
Some elements can mix.
@@Kiwii208 see, the key word here is "some". fire and water, however, cannot. if there's too much water, fire will go out. if there's too much fire, water will boil and eventually disappear. lava and water also can't work because if they mix then lava will turn into stone and water will, again, disappear. my point is exactly that; some elements (people) can mix (match), and some don't, and that's okay /nm
@@milkyway_alltheway_ yeah but the story is basically trying to say no element can mix when indeed some can
@@Kiwii208 oh yeah, i agree, that's dumb on the movie's end
golden comment, I hope that this is the movie's message
I'm simultaneously super interested and uninterested in this movie. It feels both like an inventive fun time, and like an exhausting slog. It's weird.
Schrodinger's interest.
But yeah, from the trailer, this movie is teetering on the hit-or-miss territory, for me.
It's eye candy, not brain candy.
yeah, I definitely feel similar. I think the reasoning is because if you watch it while tuning out all other media, forgetting all of the most common tropes and cliches and and all that, it'll likely turn out to be an amazing movie. But if we keep all of that information in the back of our minds the whole time, then all that can be seen is just the pure generic-ness of the story and message we're probably going to get.
at least that's that I think the reasoning is
The elements aren’t even water, fire, earth and air. Those are ancient ideas. At the very least, build the world in ancient times , making it a mythical type of story. Here it looks sci-fi yet complete not making any sense scientifically. Haven’t given any f for Disney in a long time . Probably be that way for years to come.
Yeah! :(
I feel like the moral of the story is going to be iffy at best... Fire and water literally _do not mix,_ so if they're using that as a metaphor for something that's kind of a bad choice. Like... is the message supposed to be that its okay to be in a relationship with someone who hurts you? Cause that's not a good message to tell people.
The thing is, something doesn't always need to conform to scientific logic, for it to work to tell a moral message. Sure, it's a bit lazy to not employ said logic when we live in the internet era where information is a google search away, but still...
Maybe they're working on Doodle Gods logic, and fire and water just make mist or steam or something...
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From what Ive seen from the trailer, the themes are about different elements and their cultures. The main character even makes mention of these traits. So it is in some way about two different types of people coming together. What makes it iffy is when that theme is also implemented into the running jokes about how the elements literally do not mix. It feels not as thought out as most other Pixar movies, I guess
The directors have said that the movie is going to be an allegory for interracial relationships!
I mean, what if boiling and turning to smoke aren't death for the main characters? That could be an interesting thing to explore, the implications of what happens when the elements actually do accidentally mix when everybody says they shouldn't?
and it looks like another forbidden love story...who knows it might but be platonic which id prefer but with both trailers it has alot of romance tropes: bumping into each other by chance, locking eyes, almost touching hands, meeting the protective father while the male fumbles to impress him while being clumsy and adorkable.even the fire and water separation is classic red and blue families cant mix it feels reminiscent of the Montagues and Capulets in Romeo and Juliet
Soul was not safe. It was one of the deepest pixar films.
I feel like the "Elements don't mix" thing only really applies to fire, since air elementals are clouds, which are water, and ground elementals are plants, which need water in order to survive and are in part also water based.
yup
Actually fire does mix with the other elements it needs oxygen to keep burning and controlled blazes are used to prevent forest fires! While water and fire don’t often mix they can be used together to make all sorts of hot drinks!
Also as a bonus tea involves all four elements you need A: water to boil B: fire to heat the water C: leaves to flavor it and D: air to cool it to a drinkable temperature!
I was not the one to figure this out I saw it in a ATLA post I forgot the name of but it fits here :)
@@alexrawls5217 this 💯
Hence why one of the two characters has to be fire for the concept to work
@@alexrawls5217 you're right, that means the "elements don't mix" rule doesn't apply at all, i wonder if it will be adressed in the movie
You know the thing about this trailer is... I saw the trailer. And I feel like I can tell you EXACTLY how this movie is going to progress... beat for beat. I can tell EXACTLY what this movie will be, we will have the third act breakup because one think. "No they are right. We can't co-exist." which leads to a revelation, and one chases down the other in a dramatic chase scene to share this revelation that now fixes everything, they find together, and the ending shot of the movie will be all four elements mixing together in this world and aiding each other.
It will probably be a very pretty movie, beautiful even, and very well crafted...I firmly believe it will have a perfect three arch structure and all of that. And it will be a technically well-put-together movie that has nothing exactly wrong with it at all. But we all know the EXACT beats of this thing, the EXACT conflicts, and we already know the ending.
It REALLY feels like that this is a movie made by people who WATCHED Pixar movies, who watched "Inside out." know what a Pixar movie is supposed to be... sort of... and then try to copy that... but they are not actually Pixar.
Because you know... They fired John Lasetter and he took his core crew, actual Pixar, with him to Skydance animation so.... All these new knuckleheads can do is watch the old movies and try to copy it which... Isn't how you do great movies.
You don't go far by desperately trying to copy others... At least what I can say for "Luca." and "turning Red." is that they DID go their own way and tried their own things. They just... Weren't particularly remarkable movies. They were fine, nothing really wrong with them... But also lacking that Pixar spark cause... OG Pixar is gone... It's a new crew so they must find a new identity if they wish to succeed.
But also Disney threw John Lasetter under the bus and are STILL profiting on his legacy with no remorse so... Screw that company.
But like skydances film luck, wasn't very good like nobody talked about it so if that's meant to be Pixar's best from who left it's uhhh. Not promising is it
@@jonascarter9179 is there even any actual proof of john being creep
@@jskywalker58 He admitted to misconduct himself.
@@jonascarter9179 John Lasetter CREATED the company, he MADE Pixar.
There would be no Pixar for these new people to occupy if he had never lived.
He has an odd personality and hugs people, that's really it. He didn't do anything.
But yeah, this sort of shitting on people who actually BUILD the goddamn companies is what I hate.
They are trying to phase out Walt Disney so he doesn't get credit, and they replaced all the legacy Disney talent. And the quality of Disney movies plummeted... big shock.
The people there now didn't build the company, they only took over what OTHER people made successful.
With no Lasetter, there would NEVER have been any pixar in the first place.
With no Walt, there would NEVER have been a Disney studio. And we keep forgetting.
@@hannahpestell18 Luck was... Fine... It wasn't great. But it wasn't bad. It was just that.... Fine...
I guess we'll have to wait and see what the next couple of flicks are going to be like.
I am not saying ALL movies under Lasetter were perfect. He was still the head of Pixar when they made. "Cars 2." "The good Dinosaur." and "Brave."
Which aren't the top tier Pixar movies either... But you know. Ever since Lasetter left, you can feel that that spark has just sort of... Gone away.
"Turning red." and "Luca." are fine... There's nothing really wrong with those movies... But they really lack that special spark of the Pixar greats. That sense of... you don't really know what is going to happen here at all. And it hits you RIGHT in your heart strings.
That special Lasetter touch is just.... Gone.
"Luck." didn't have it either.... But it was the first one at a new studio so... I guess we'll see.
The sad thing about these Skydance flicks is that they are AppleTV exclusives, they are NOT getting cinema releases at all, and... Who the hell has AppleTV as a streaming service? So... It is pretty much the WORST platform to be on... I just hope Apple will actually allow Skydance some cinema releases, otherwise these movies are going to just be send out to die.
Fr, they turned the Fireboy & Watergirl flash game into a movie and swapped them to avoid a possible suit
Bro what lol it ain’t even that. Literally just an animated romance movie but with elements lmao
Formulaic plots can be saved with good character arcs. Luca is formulaic, but Alberto and Luca are interesting characters. Alberto's trauma from being abandoned by his father manifesting in his jealousy over Luca and Giulia's friendship and ending with him trusting Luca enough as a friend to not abandon him, as well as learning to trust the adults in his life such as Masimo, adds a lot to the film. Basically, there needs to be an character/emotional narrative that is woven into the film that goes beyond the simple message. This film has the I don't want to just do what my parents want thing but it's so simplistic that it's uninteresting, no flavor. It's like plain rice without any curry or veggies to make it taste different. At least it looks pretty.
This is basically Pixar's Zootopia, of having two opposite characters, living in a cosmopolitan city where elements coexist, then come together to solve a conflict. By the way, Disney greenlit a live action remake of Moana, it's for real and not a rumour, it's frustrating that Pixar and Disney have stooped down to the lowest common denominator, afraid to entertain the audience outside of the family demographic, meanwhile, Dreamworks has been enjoying a renaissance, and it has been fun watch Bad Guys and Puss n' Boots, until Disney and Pixar gains a backbone, I'm not interested.
How has Pixar stooped down?
dreamworks is generally a hit and miss studio, they have a period of excellence, then a period of horrible films generally. Disney and Pixar seemed to have lost their touch post their respective ages. I hate that disney keeps trying to make live action versions of phenomenal animated films. the animation really helps those films shine. Pixar, after Coco, has been kinda in the mediocre area in terms of movie quality, I don't think any of their films are flat out bad, but they're losing their touch
I swear Trolls was just made as a balancing act for all of their good movies.
Whenever a few genuinely good movies get released, another Trolls movie gets released to balance the level of quality of Dreamworks movies
@@fusionwing4208 The Toy Story 5 announcement just made me lose hope tbh. We could have gotten a sequel to Coco which ended open enough that it's ripe for sequel potential, but instead we got ANOTER Toy Story 💀
I blame china for everything on why Disney and Pixar don't have creative freedom anymore.
As a fellow connoisseur of the fine arts, I find it somewhat worrying that you mentioned a 5 hour long deconstruction of the chemical cause of combustion.
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3:02 I’m at a loss for how Soul was safe. It was boldly its own thing, not just for having existentialism as a major plot point, but for the talented and creative ways it chose to develop its world and characters. There were maybe a few cliches and tropes, but I think it was a very inspired film.
"Bored office worker wants an exciting artistic life." Has been done to death. Kind of a first worlder problem considering most laborers would prefer an air conditioned office and a cushy seat.
The moment I saw the trailer I was just knew it is going to be the generic opposites attract story and forbidden love
The thing that bothers me is how they are presenting the message they want to push. Fire nd water? Seriously? The elements would be actively KILLING each other by being together, which ironically goes AGAINST their message of "Mix all you want! Nobody gets to have a say in what you do except you!"
I'd rather go with someone that isn't actively killing me than a relationship that will end with me dying because I wanted to be a rebel or something.
They’re prolly gonna go some crappy Romeo and Juliet style thing but then let the main couple live to the ending which wasn’t even the point of the original story
@@TaeKwonWhoa I'm sure the point of Romeo and Juliet is to showcase the dangers of reckless passion over love built upon time. They died BECAUSE of their impulsive approach to love, not because of society.
@@N12015 their deaths also lead to the families realizing their errors and making amends too
“Honey you can’t be with him he will literally kill you”
“DAD your freaking prejudices are holding me BACK.”
No logic only love.
@@TaeKwonWhoa I think they’re gonna kiss and then become smoke and steam and then they can be together
Pixar needs to get back to very real and tough emotion. Wall-E takes this very dystopian idea and makes it family friendly while showing the death of a planet and the human species. Kids can take serious subjects and making something the parents enjoy watching doesn't help sales.
The human species didn't die and the Earth regained capacity for all life in the end.
Here's why the show us relevant: th-cam.com/video/gbCK_kE8AJ8/w-d-xo.html
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Ah, a connoisseur of music, I see!
It's like the fireboy and watergirl cool math game except reversed
Exactly what I had thought! Maybe there will be some sort of quest they go on like in the video game!
@@OmniNeon900 I doubt it lol but that would be cool
At least that game had a more interesting story with the different reactions and temple exploring stuff tho
@@TaeKwonWhoa I played the whole 1st game with my friend and it was so fun! I like the creativity of the different puzzles, and it's not just smarts, you also have to have platforming skills.
I wish we had a fireboy and watergirl movie instead 😞
I can’t get over how much it looks like a commercial or the short they play before the actual movie
I agree, something about the aesthetic feels... Disjointed.
@@krobbaltI feel like it’s the faces, the actual materials for the characters are so beautifully rendered and then their faces are just…stickers slapped on
@@GreatFernicus That's exactly it!!!
All the elements look great (except fire, it looks cheap), but it's the generic cartoon faces they just added on top of them, instead of actually properly integrating the faces into the elements.
It looks …not good nothin like coco
This is one of those concepts that falls apart the more you think about it. The earth elementals have plants growing on them. Plants need WATER to grow! And fire needs oxygen (aka air) in order to burn! Honestly, I could make a whole list of reasons why this premise makes no sense, but it would be way too long. I saw this trailer in a theater with my boyfriend (we were seeing the dnd movie), and I remember whispering to him, "This looks like a tech demo"
Just saw it. I thought it did well with the racism or cultural differences what it was actually mote parallel to like off the boat Italians who want there children to only marry other Italian even tho they moved to newyork city. And im sure everyone who know alot off off the boat anything knows that its extremely common family works that way and it can be difficult to change anyones mind. And yeah the actually cant toych each other because he could extinguish her or her vaporize him one but love finds a way and they "become a new element when they touch" i see it as love. I don't really agree that its a great movie for very young children and some of the sexual innuendos were too strong and the language was still strong at times but again most of the innuendos would go right over children who dont knows head fully enough anyway. But the ash in place of ass i dont like for instance. Children dont need to be going around fake cussing and people shouldn't alow the children to do so. Of they say "but i didn't say that word" the reply should be "it doesn't matter what word you use when you use it in that meaning its automatically cursing" and this move has a few things like that. But over all a really cute love story that made me cry alittle along with the water guy lol
This film is definitely beautiful and full of potential. I'm still holding out hope that the story and message will be more than what it appears.
The message is already laid out flat in the theme, but let's hope it's not just that
You are the new Justin Y
Amen, also I can't wait to see what would be in the cinema, especially Disney is showing Characters vs Society this year. What I mean are, The little mermaid remake (black Ariel who's being complain by white racist people), Elemental, and Wish. Hopefully they must be good at least this year.
Hope its not what I think it is. Because I can picture what would happen perfectly if it were just another generic “People in a different world fall in love” movie type of thing, I mean I shouldnt judge so fast because maybe they are aiming to make it look so predictable but in reality it may be very unpredictable.
@@jewelsabado7353 "(black Ariel who's being complain by white racist people)"
Yeah and if we made Static Shock a suburban white boy I'm sure you would be saying the same thing.....NOT 🤣🤣🤣Hell, if you wanted a black Ariel why bother giving her red hair that only white chicks have? Give her good ol' black hair like most black people do and not some half baked insert in a white man fairy tale.
Stop accepting hand-me-downs.
Anyone else remember the animation named "Alight"? This movie trailer instantly gave me those vibes like "huh... I wonder if they got this idea from that..."
Yeah, I remember that one. It's been a while since I saw that short!
you know what cannot mix? Pixar/Disney and an original storyline
I'm glad I'm not the only one that felt some sense of "been there, done that" when I first saw the trailer.
I don't agree with the points of Soul being a safe movie I believe that Soul was experimental in terms of telling a story about life and death and to not hold yourself back or be so narrow focused on one thing that you miss everything around you we don't get many stories exploring death and grief and life in that way and that's why I feel Soul was not a safe movie
Yeah Soul was far from Pixar's usual kids movie fare.
Same!
@@deen7530 yeah even my niece hated the McDonalds toy she got from the movie cus she said she hated the movie. She still didn’t see it too lol
@@danielavanilla4331 I really appreciate Soul for going against the grain and trying something new, but I also completely understand why a kid wouldn't like it.
@@deen7530 And it also came out during one of the peaks of COVID in 2020, so the theme fits right in with the time it was released.
I would have prefer a *Metalopolis* with diferent elemental metals being forged together into strong alloy and the hole world being an early industrial civilization. Ligth, electricity and magnetism will be consider legendary and the story is gonna center in a group of insaparable friends.
sometimes you need to let things go.. and have Dreamworks be your favorite studio because they're absolute W's
I honestly love Luca, but I have a soft spot for personified sea monsters and whatnot do that might just be the rose-colored glasses talking. Just wanted to put that out there because even though it’s a little simple and cringey, I think it’s better than some of the other things Pixar had been putting out recently. But that could just be me. Who knows.
Not that it didn’t escape from the ‘wanting to break away from your parents’ thing, in a sense. But I liked how the person holding him back was a friend, not a parent, that sort of thing does happen and I liked to see something where a supporting friend character was actually portrayed with obstacle-creating flaws for the mc, leaving them to work out their issues as well as the whole ‘humans aren’t bad!’ thing.
But I digress. I’m scared for Elemental and I hope Pixar surprises us.
I loved Luca! I've got no bias towards the movies theming, but still thought it was a nice movie :D
Luca is an interesting case because, despite being "formulaic" (especially with its shitty "villain"), it feels life a very sincere representation of childhood that comes from the director's own honest views on it. This is why the way the child characters are portrayed feels so unique, there's a lot of extremely simple and hidden raw emotion in the fine details being shown, from their childish idealism clashing with reality to how the decisions the kids (and sometimes even Luca's parents!) make leads them to achieving emotional maturity one step at a time. It's subtle but it's there, and for me it carries the whole movie. I think they shoehorned the "formulaic" aspects to give the movie more "plot", which I see as a symptom of the modern Disney & Pixar problem being horribly inflexible with their movie premises and sticking to safe stuff like their lives depend on it. Still, I love the movie for what it is. It's the last P/D movie that I felt was in some form "real".
Sorry if none of this rambling makes sense, I'm really tired :(
@@grogg4372 oh no it does make sense! I really liked your input, and yeah I agree lol
"than some of the other things Pixar had been putting out recently"
Like what? 🤨
@@grogg4372 Modern Pixar problem?
Elemental: You don’t have to follow in your family’s footsteps!
Strange World, Turning Red, Coco and more: First time?
Nah Coco was amazing
@@cmoney8979 still the exact same plot device as described
@@darianstarfrog So? Doesn't mean it isn't an amazing movie
@@cmoney8979 I liked Coco and Turning Red, but Strange World.. HELL NAH THAT WAS MID AND GAY AF. *Like why are they trying to teach kids to be **-g@y-*
The movie has been in production since long before any of those came out.
I wish there is a scene where wade admits he loves the word moist
If I was doing this trope I would make it more about each elements strengths and weaknesses and why the world would be poorer without them. “We are not equal but we are equally necessary” sort of thing
Let's be honest. Outside of Coco Pixar films have dropped off since 2010 and they have been riding the nostalgia of there old movies from the 90s and 2000s for over a decade now. We don't need any more "What if (Insert anthro blob of colour here) had feelings?" or another generational trauma film like all the other modern Disney films. If we go back to the 2000s we had movies that asked questions and explored them. What if the monster in your closet had a reason for scaring you? What if super hero's existed but were forbidden from being hero's? What lengths would a nervous father haunted by the death of his wife go to save there only son? What if two Robots fell in love? What if a Rat wanted to become a chef? All these are just random examples from Pixar at the top of there game and all of them feel different.
I just accepted that the Pixar we used to know no longer exist. They became a hollow shell of what they used to be and even if I like films like Inside Out none of the new original ones were particularly memorable probably since maybe Up or Brave if you are being generous. Nothing made an impact in popular culture or will be remembered in a couple of years. Shrek and Zootopia were memorable while Pixar films I feel like they have been as memorable as Antz.
@Who Me Zootopia is an exception too, though. Disney hasn't been Disney ever since it destroyed its 2D animation department. Now they mostly make crap like Frozen and Raya that are just as terrible as (if not worse than) modern Pixar films.
@@Keznen Raya yeah but even if you didn't like Frozen it did had an impact in culture. Not saying it is a masterpiece but it had lasting effect.
@@whome9842 Plenty of bad things have a lasting effect on culture. Just look at The Room and Birdemic.
Even then Coco was predictable and relatively mediocre.
Lately I think Disney got too comfortable being on top and now that everyone else has caught up and start to make thing that are new and more original. They seem to just be content with just okay or mediocre films and are afraid to take the same rises that made them special in the first place
They should really make a movie about 3d going to 2d universes where they meet 2d versions of themselves, like 3d Mickey meets 2d Mickey and they both try to find a way home. I honestly don't have a problem with everything going back to 2d instead of trashy live action remakes. They can still make 3d but, THEY, HAVE, TO, STOP, MAKING, THINGS, -G@Y-
Should have had a fire boy and water girl going in temples to collect gems and stuff (definitely not a reference to everyone's childhood)
Yeahhhhhhh I don't even know how much you could even call the setup and worldbuilding original. A ton of people online (and me included) had some story idea regarding personified elements literally 20 years ago when I was in middle school...
According to the director of the movie, this movie is explicitly meant to be a metaphor for interracial relationships, to the point of being directly based on their own experiences.
So, if we take that at face value, the message of this movie is explicitly "Segregation is bad and we should come together" but implicitly "Different races are inherently harmful to each other and need to be segregated for their own good".
Yeah that’s my line of thinking. In the trailer, Ember literally burns a random plant dude and nothing seems to happen. No panic, no confrontation, just an annoyed glare from the plant being who LITERALLY JUST GOT FULL BODY SCORCHED just by her bumping into him.
If it was about Fire elementals specifically being excluded, it would still be bad but then we could still feel sorry for them. Kinda like how Rogue from the X-Men franchise can’t physically touch people because she can accidentally hurt or even kill them. But none of the other elements, even the flammable plant beings, seem to care that Ember is hanging around.
She’s not made to go somewhere else, isn’t regulated to a high contained area, kicked out of enclosed spaces, etc. She’s just walking around the city like any old being.
If her family is made to be “bad” for not wanting her and Wade to get very close, then that would be the most stupid idea ever. Water extinguishes fire! He could legit accidentally hurt her by a simple bump like she did by bumping into plant dude.
I think this is a prime example of Pixar putting the theme and message over actual story coherence. Unless it ends with them wearing special gloves or something to be near each other, then I have a feeling Pixar is gonna horribly bungle the movie.
@@jendoe9436 Reminds me of the Disney Channel Zombie movie's.
@@jendoe9436 maybe she's an electrical fire 😁
Yeah you can definitely tell that from the trailer it's a race metaphor with the stereotypical racist grandma "you cannot mix it is against tradition!" 🙄
Their?
It just looks like Pixar wanted to make a water and fire effects movie.
That's funny because recent cgi movies like Puss In Boots 2 and Avatar 2 had plenty of elemental special effects including fire and water lol.
5:37 is so ironic of a message considering Pixar assimilating into the same generic idea. Almost feels like all the studios crying out for help
From what I’ve seen so far, Elemental feels like an Illumination movie.
I thought about how different elements would mix, so here are my ideas, of what a child of different elements would be:
water+air(clouds)=rain clouds(pretty obvious, nothing new here I know).
fire+air(clouds)=thunder clouds.
earth(plants)+air(clouds)=solid core, with something similar to dandelion fluff surrounding it, and I don't mean seeds, just something that looks similar.
fire+water=steam, similar to clouds, but more see through, with a less defined form, and more ghostlike.
fire+earth(plants)=??? I was thinking something like a plant with fire instead of leaves, or something that looks like charred wood, but I could not come up with anything satisfying.
earth(plants)+water=here I again was unable to come up with anything very satisfying to me, the only things I could think of was some sort of seaweed, that acts as the core while completely submerged in water, or some sort of coral with water going all around the body without covering the coral completely, that looks like streams or veins.
For the elements they chose each one has like at least one strength, one weakness, and one neutral.
Fire is strong against plants/earth by burning, is weak to being put out by water, and then can pollute the air (strong) while also being put out by wind (weak).
Water is strong against fire by damping it out, is weak against the air since wind controls water in a way (think like hurricanes, rain, and waves), and then can erode earth (strong) while also growing the plants (weak).
Earth/plants is strong against the air by being a wind breaker and resisting it, weak to fire via burning, and can have plant growth through water (strong) but also erode in water (weak).
Air is strong against water since wind controls water in a way (same as before), is weak against earth/plants since it can’t break through to them very easily, and then can put out fires (strong) while also being hit with pollution from the flames (weak).
@@TaeKwonWhoa So it's Pokémon types now
Coral's an animal though
@@Yakal001 i guess lol
Fire and earth could be lava
I don't like the names like "element city".
-me as a citizen from human planet
it's a far less clever name than Zootopia, that's for sure
Pffft. Yeah. Like was it that hard for them to come up with something that isn't THAT on the nose?
What about Kultura - or "culture" - in reference to the mixing of cultures a mixing of elements would likely result in? Or anything less boring than "element city". Or something that takes inspiration from how many cities and towns were named in the real world? Like, wow, Element City, lemme guess, it has elements in it? A city is likely to be named more after it's geography, than about what is in it in terms of humans/humanoids. Like, Inverness, Dundee, etc. are named after the rivers that are next to them, or flow through them. I'd imagine its similar for place in a lot of other countries. So you would think cities would be named after either people, other places, or geographic features. Glasgow might as well be in reference to what it was - "green glen/green hollow" as opposed to the grey concrete jungle it is now. And London might have been named after one of the kings that seized it. Frydek-Mystek is a town in Czech republic. It's original name might have been called Friedberg which come from the German for "peace mountain". It's largely geographical, or comes from the names of important people. It just doesn't make sense for a city to be called Element City. I even did some very quick digging and Las Vegas "lies at a site once occupied by marshes, freshwater springs, and grassy meadows" (according to Encyclopedia Britannica) and according to Reservationists, it's name is the spanish for "The Meadows". Which might not be what you think of when you hear "Las Vegas", but, hey, it suggests that even the Americas had towns named by geography and language nerds.
@@bowldawg4394 they missed out on “Electri-city” tho cmonnn
@@js66613 yeah... "Kultura" would not work as great, since it is literally the translation of "culture" in most slavic languages. But they could change it like with zootopia/zootropolis.
You literally have "Elemen-topia" right there for the pickings, and while I gather they probably want this to stand out from Zootopia, from what people have already compared it to they pretty much fell down that rabbit hole anyway with the parallels being almost identical
“ELEMENT CAN’T MIX!”
Photosynthesis: Are you sure about that?
This could have been more interesting if it was about cultural differences. Instead of not wanting to follow your family’s footsteps, show that they are very invested in their family and culture. They just so happen to meet & fall in love with someone outside of it. The tension and family dynamics they could portray would be much more interesting.
Feels like fire is the one who is kept more at bay than the other elements. If you look at the train and auditorium, flame is the only one there that is fire.
Also, millennials(people in their 30s and now more established in the industry) are making the movies now. The biggest thing people around that age range are going through is generational trauma, debt, and broken dreams.
I get the whole "I dont wanna be my parents" is a them now, but i agree that it is getting tiresome. That's understandable but tiresome
Cringe millennial writing be like:
Oh, you'd rather prefer Gen Z's brute-forced veganism, illusions of driving in cars running on water, tree-hugging and obsessive focus on gender and race to the point that Disney has found a whole new market in blackwashing the protagonists of their older classic fairytales? Enjoy, I guess.
@@isabellegoegebuer2777 lol, someone’s overdramatic.
@Isabelle Goegebuer That's still Millennial writing. Gen Z ranges from very early 20s to kids. Gen Z is still taking entry-level jobs.
If generation would be the cause then the same would be happening with Dreamworks. To me this is clear that this is a Pixar problem.
Even though there is still a high chance that this turns out to be another generic "kids" film, I'm still holding out hope that Pixar does SOMETHING to shake up expectations. Encanto had trailers that made it seem like another generic hero's journey plot, but it subverted everyone's expectations with its unique pacing and story.
I'm not saying that that's going to happen here, but I am hoping that Elemental does do something unexpected with its story
That is true! Personally, I wasn't interested in Encanto until the trailer with We Don't Talk About Bruno in it. I was like "Damn this music is nice, I should watch it!" and I love that movie! I just keep feeling like I'm waiting for the trailer that will really hook me with Elemental...
There are 118 major elements… yet they chose 4 of the most basic of the basic ones. That in itself is so boring. Imagine led guy stomping around. Or a villian named Uranium who is outcasted but redeems himself once he creates electricity for everyone. Or helium, a funny guy that talks weird. But no we get some cliched love story that we’ve seen a million times before. The earth designs are hideous and and the air guys are basic clouds. It just seems so imaginatively dry.
i would rather have all the elements from the periodic table
You know, what if, and hear me out, they find an ancient temple in the forest to help save a family business, and they collect color coded gemstones along the way and they just keep doing it with, idk, light, ice, CRYSTALS. whatever.
And then some pineapple gets kidnapped so they have to climb an unnecessarily tall tower to rescue it and totally not accidentally kill it
Could you imagine what would happen if the avatar came to town? Or any bender for that matter?
They would look extremely out of place
@@metal_pipe9764 Yeah no cap. Any movie that's given that kind of Marvel treatment is gonna look out of place and cheap. I'd rather people make movies as movies and not make movies just for the memes.
@@rommix0 there are some ways that it could work in my opinion, but it would require a lot of work
@@metal_pipe9764 and Disney ain't willing to put in the work. They just want money.
Ouch.
Wait, they made fire boy and water girl into a movie? WITH SWITCHED ROLLS?!
I think the missing piece from a movie like this is an original world. Yeah everyone is an element. But it’s just elements living in the same generic vaguely western city that millions of movies have featured in
I kinda feel like the message of pushing two incompatible elements together to be a bit of a damaging message. She will be harmed by his flames and he will be harmed by her water.
Water guy is a he, and Fire girl is a she. You got your genders mixed up kiddo.
@@rommix0 ah yeah my bad
@ROMMIX You don't need to be so condescending.
@@Keznen you don't need to be so rude and tell me how to approach things.
@@rommix0 That's rich coming from your rude ass.
ngl the premise of this movie feels like it would have fit better as a short film than a full-length movie
Background cityscape looks awesome. Elements style visually looks off in a 3D style rather than a 2D style. I’m not sure, but I’m curious if adding 2D line work/style would have fixed that weird 3D character style vs the very realistic looking background.
The element city thing just reminds me of zootopia. It kind of just feels like a sort of repeat to that. I wish there were more movies like Turning Red, that movie was executed perfectly and I have obsessively watched that movie for the past year
Soul and Luca were actually pretty good in my opinion. Luca was a fun, charming, slice of life escapade with some fun characters, and Soul had some great themes and messages.
100% agree :) Loved those. I have a feeling I'll like Elemental too even if the story is "generic". I just don't see anything wrong with a simple story (as long as it's cohesive and entertaining). Although it would be nice to have other simple stories come out soon too other than the Opposites Attract trope even if it's one of my favourite tropes
Definitely. Luca is a comfort movie for me.
They were ok but they came from a studio that used to be known for producing memorable masterpieces, films that would still be relevant decades later and now all their films are mostly forgotten a few months later.
THANK YOU
Soul is sooo good in my opinion, luca is pretty good too
I think that the “elements don’t mix” thing is more just her family, like some family’s have different beliefs or somthing
Well yeah. Every time the trope is used it's a guarantee that's where the story is going. Like a lot of people have said here Pixar has already been there and done it.
I hope we actually see other elements in the city mix, but it’s just her families belief. That would be a lot more interesting.
"Elements can not mix"
I feel like that line told me every plot beat in the entire film. This is the problem with "concept first" films. Looks pretty but I think I'll let ya'll watch it first.
The two things I thought when watching this trailer:
-"So??"
-"And??"
I feel like it’s be more interesting if they were like… scientific elements? You could still keep Wade as water but just make Ember Sodium 🤣 You could teach kids about science while you’re at it too!!
I like the idea of a love story, we haven’t had one of those in a little while, but I just wish the premise was a little more interesting. I’m tired of the Earth Fire Wind Water stuff.. Avatar did that the best and I’d rather just watch that 😂
This could be a magnum opus, the elements could represent different races and skin colours. Pixar could display a wonderful message on racism and religion as a whole. (Even though I doubt they would go that deep)
Until you realize that if they did the racism part it would be a bit weird, since fire and water actively would kill each other trying to do literally anything that involves touching each other
This feels like Pixar's version of Zootopia but much less complex.
Let’s be honest Dreamworks is ruling the Animation industry at the moment
I agree. People will complain about movies like Trolls, but I argue the animation is highly fun and unique. What other franchise would tell a story of colorful singing creatures set in a scrapbook/felt environment? The story is hit or miss with people, but there’s genuine love and passion in the franchise.
Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken looks like it will also be a fun movie. Ruby’s design is cute, the concept sounds good, and we’ll get to see a red-headed mermaid this year 😂
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The industry? Not really. Especially not just because of Puss in Boots 2.
@@Im.Smaher look at their upcoming films and look at how they are not scared to experiment
Illumination is up and coming with the Mario movie.
The real ogs remember Fireboy and Watergirl,
Even Illumination are using their game with the Super Mario Bros movie
Bro the Pikmin 2 music coming out of nowhere at 1:27 I absolutely love it
I found soul was an excellent movie. Not entirely groundbreaking but it really made me reflect on my own life and start to do things that I enjoy and how I don’t need some ultimate purpose to be fulfilled. I really enjoyed soul
I'm hoping it's gonna be like Luca, where it uses it's simple story to its advantage and just ends up being a nice, small, charming story with likeable and funny characters that doesn't need to do anything too particularly climactic.
Agreed! I'm looking forward to it
Luca was nice but I didn’t enjoy it much
I feel like they are trying to be Ghibli but not quite getting it right.
I honestly think this wouldn't be that great since the plot feels like its gonna be the same as Zootopia however I think the worldbuilding will be great.
Giving me major Zootopia vibes. Big, imaginative city adapted for a weird type of inhabitant (lots of different biomes for the animals in Zootopia -- "Element City" for Elemental). Main characters are from two different "types" (predator and prey in Zootopia, fire and water here). And the lesson they need to learn is that the things that separate us are not as important as the things that bring us together.
But instead of buddy-cop they made it a teen romance.
i kinda agree. fire and water romeo and juliet just seems very plain for what pixar, and animation in its entirety is up to lately. I think some stories are timeless, but this does feel overly basic, like it isnt daring to do anything more than the basic trope its premise is based on.
*They bough license to Fireboy and watergirl* 💀
Yah, but it doesn't seem so far like we'll get to have a cool dungeons adventure. :(
@@js66613 sadly.
If it was actually a fireboy and watergirl movie, I’d wanna see it
When someone from the production team of this film in a year comes out and says yeah, this film was originally going to be about the same sex couple but Disney changed made them, change it for a straight couple during pre-production, I will not be surprised.
More like Pixar took the idea and changed it for the better to make a profit, not the other way around. Disney’s studio keeps losing money because they keep making direct political references instead of being a bit more creative and considerate of a variety of perspectives. Another words, Disney just wants to show “sunshine” without shadows.
Ha, Gayyyyyy!
Disney's fake wokeness at show
This movie is an ode to Peter Sohn's family and his marriage to a woman from outside Korea. He said it himself.
@@OmniNeon900 because the idea of same-sex couples is political... 🙄
When I heard the water guy say “who’s to tell you what you can do with your life” I audibly groaned and said “not this again”
Next scene: shooting up H behind the school
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I think you need to remember the audience these movies are made for, they are meant to be teaching core life lessons to children. the plots are supposed to be simple and straightforward because that's what children are receptive to. If you want a new complex story you might want to try watching movies made for adults
This. Omg.
It's literally zootopia with elements.
I hat how it is water boy and fire girl. we all played "fire boy and water girl" with a friend at some point of our life. why couldn't they do that? it would be hella nostalgic and funny
They just want to be different i guess 🙄
That game was a chad
@@TaeKwonWhoa ikr
I prefer waterboy and firegirl somehow 😅.
Theres also Sharkboy and Lavagirl from the movie with the same name LOL
...because they didn't have to?
I’m happy to have stumbled upon this video, no one else I know knows about this upcoming movie so I’m glad this felt like talking about it with a friend. You made really great points, I was really excited at the idea but I can definitely see how it’s a recycled concept. The whole “going against what your parents want.” I wonder how they’ll make it unique. I hope we also see other elements outside of Fire and Water interact for more than a couple seconds.
What the plot will probably be like:
Fire girl lives in a world where all the elements can mix, except fire and water. Her father runs the family business and really wants her to take on the family business but she has her own dreams! One day, she meets water boy and the two hang out despite her family's disapproval and he shows her how to let loose and have a little fun and he spouts some sage wisdom like "follow your dreams." Then something happens between them and she returns to her family, disheartened and fully prepared to live the life they've always wanted her to live and work the family business till she dies. Then BAM, he returns and the two reunite and make up. Ember somehow convinces her overbearing family that she's right about everything. Everyone hugs. The end.
I want to see uranium make a cameo
I feel like the plot is so blatant and obvious that we're being setup for a big twist in the story, which I hope is true
This has to be the case. I'm convinced of it. Pixar may have lost their edge recently, but come on, it's still Pixar. I refuse to believe a studio that attracts such a high calibre of talent would run right into such an obvious pitfall. It just wouldn't make sense.
Imagine people hated this movie and the years of animating was just for nothing
I don't know if it was just me as a kid...but the weirder a story was, the more I loved it! (even if I didn't totally understand it ). Kids more than anyone need complexity in their stories or else we're just feeding them the same processed garbage over and over again
I’m having high hopes for me to be honest. When I first saw the sneak peak teaser trailer, I was quite interested to see how this will turn out! And when we finally got our trailer, I liked the jokes and the characters a bit more and I can’t wait to see if Pixar could come up with more! People might believe that the golden age of Pixar might be rusted, but darn it I still believe that Pixar will make something spectacular hopefully like Elemental! I’m also scared what’s happened to Disney though… a live action Moana… someone help me
'Pixar' was never anything it was always the team of talented directors and artists who were something. Slowly the good directors are leaving and we are left in the hands of Peter Sohn for this movie who I have no faith in
this is gonna be the type of movie that will make you smile but you'll forget all about it a month later
"People might believe that the golden age of Pixar might be rusted"
How long was this Golden Age they talk about?
@@dylansharp8471 From Toy Story to Toy Story 3. 1995 - 2010.
There's something visually strange, to my eyes, about that clip with the charcoal barbecue. I can't tell what it is.
_"No. Way. _*_THE_*_ AVATAR?!"_
- Bolin
Avalin.. Gui guiround halfway tar
Yeah, I don't see these guys successfully stealing from _Adventure Time._
I agree with you in almost eveyrthing, but I do think soul was great. Was a good followup on the inside out concept. I agree coco was the last classic and everything else you said is spot on
regarding the plot
it is based on the real life event of the producer
even the joke at the end of the trailer, with the hot food, is based on something she experienced with her future husband
If it's their future husband how would they know it'll happen?
@@metal_pipe9764do you know what engaged is?
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having formally agreed to marry.
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