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- I got a chance to see Elemental yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised to find it wasn't awful. Let's talk about it
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It's cute, but forgettable, which is not what Pixar needs right now to get out of their slump. I was at a 3pm show, but the theater was almost empty. This is going to be a loss for Pixar.
Here is where I nitpick: It makes zero sense for there to be so many water pipes in fire town. Even if it existed before they got there, the water would have been shut off to an abandoned part of town. Also, the fire people can heat and bend metal, so I don't know why they wouldn't crimp and cap the water pipes coming in. There wouldn't be any pressure on the pipes, either. The movie shows that the water is running through a grate in the canals that are even with or below the city. First, is the water source composed of runoff from a drain? Gross. Second, that's gravity fed and so it wouldn't build pressure. Even if it were uphill, liquid head pressure is roughly 1psi per 2 vertical feet, so no pressure is building there. The movie shows a clog, which theoretically could trap water in the fire store and build hydrostatic pressure when heated, but it would fall quickly once released.
The water pipe thing is bothering me to a level that I know to be irrational, so I typed it here instead of putting it in the video
Damn, I was worried the movie was gonna be shit too, guess I was mistaken aswell.
Kind of feels like they didn't put nearly as much thought into it as they did Zootopia which seemed to think things out a lot more when it came to the City and how it worked.
"This is going to be a loss for Pixar. "
They earned it. Just like Disney is gong to earn an Indie Jones flop. It's going to take a while for the projects in the pipeline to flush out, so I'm predicting a low box office draw for the next couple of years.
To be honest that doesn't sound like a nitpick. If the movie doesn't care about internal logic to that degree it can really hurt the film overall. I feel this is the main reason so many time travel stories don't work - they either break their own rules whenever it is convenient or make it a point not to tell you the rules so the reveal can happen, even if it doesn't really work. Plus this isn't just a one-off for Pixar. Every single thing about Forky from Toy Story 4 was horrifying. If a child loving something that isn't built as a toy can create a toy then the ramifications of that are HORRIBLE. Are sandcastles toys? How about kids playing with their food? If a kid sits down in the drivers seat of the family car and plays with the wheel does the car now become a toy? Does that mean it has to live a solitary life of waiting in the garage until one day the kid picks up the rake, runs around with it for a few moments, and now 'vroomy' meets 'leafie'?
I think this sounds like a skip for me, but your review reminded me a lot of Walter Chaw's take on the film: www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2023/06/elemental.html
@@michaeleverett9091I feel bad laughing at your Toy Story examples, because they are indeed horrifying -- but it's not like we are professional writers whose job it is to think of these things.
The other thing I couldn't stand about Toy Story 4 is that Woody came off as sanctimonious and annoying, putting everyone in grave danger only to end up going rogue by the end.
That "don't know" in TCD style was a fun touch.
I can't even say the words "The Message" without hearing it in his voice.
Critical Drinker is rapidly turning into the internet version of Morgan Freeman. 😊
I love that guy's reviews. Alright, go awae now!
The grim thing is that there was an obvious defense for this kind of thing that movies just can't use anymore: "It's not supposed to be a one-to-one allegory for racism; it's a fantasy that uses a fantastical setting to imagine things in its own way, and tangentially touch on issues like prejudice and racism." But companies like Disney have been so blatantly on-the-nose with their messaging for so long that such an excuse no longer works; a movie like "Elemental" wouldn't have gotten made by a studio like Disney at all without the theme front and center, so any failures of examination become all but impossible to ignore. Oops.
Zootopia represents this better. All the themes ARE THE SAME. The ideas are so similar. But Zootopia is a fun movie that slips over any of its world building problems because it's fun and has a genuinely interesting mystery. City plumbing and infrastructure issues are not riveting cinema.
Even if you think Liberal/Progressive/Left analysis of race and racism in society is off or wrong, Zootopia is still a fun buddy cop/odd couple movie. With a genuinely intriguing mystery.
They literally made a kids movie with a boring adult dinner scene and a main character discussing vague possible career ambitions with strangers.
My biggest issue is this movie commits a sin specific to “fantastical racism” where a fantasy race is supposed to be an allegory for an “oppressed minority”, but prejudice against the allegory group is, actually, kinda justified.
The fire people can burn down the other societies, and unwittingly kill at least the earth people (or at least the ones made of grass and leaves) and water people (who they can boil and evaporate). It’s kinda like X-Men where mutants are meant to be an allegory and the story is all about “can’t we all just get along”, but when most young mutants, upon activating their powers, unwittingly maim, cripple or even kill innocent people, the allegory falls apart. The idea of all the characters being elements wasn’t really thought all the way through is what I’m saying.
True, but they don’t deserve the persecution and hateful things that get said to them for something they can’t help.
Not everything is black and white, and that’s why I loved this film.
Also, Ember wasn’t really dangerous, as her fire just burned the hair off of that one earth element. And later it’s shown that when Ember and Wade compose themselves they can touch and get along
@@RB01.10 They are dangerous and irresponsible, they deserve isolation.
Between the Litte Mermaid and likely Dial of Destiny, The Mouse is in serious trouble.
Maybe they should try calling their fans racist again, that will definitely do the trick.
That's the truth. I'll be surprised if the movie department makes one penny this year. Guardians probably netted $100M, but that's been offset by all the other flops
... heavily accented "don't know" always nice to see fellow Critical Drinker viewers. That dudes got some infectious branding. Thanks for the family breakdown. It really sets you apart and and adds a needed review component.
Love Drinker’s “Don’t know” “The message” and “Go away now”
Dont forget the tatiana jokes.
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I'm only a minute in and already hearing that this movie is forgettable AND the characters accents are all over the map. And this is a POSITIVE review!
I just saw it. The animation was amazing and the character interactions were great. The plot is pretty small in scale, but big in heart. This will be remembered more fondly over time.
Think I’ll pass I’m tired of all the poor attempts at messaging. It has always been in Disney movies but they used to be brilliant at weaving it into a story without it slamming it into your face.
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Very well said
It’s still a good message though.
They always had universal moral messages, not so much these overt idealogical 'metaphors'
Understandable. I'd recommend giving it a go on streaming since it's got some nice parts, but yeah the racial thing is poorly handled here, almost to a comical degree
"He's like an 18 year old enlistee with a ring in his pocket. Just looking for anyone to marry." anyone that has been in the military knows how painful true this is and how terrifically situations like this blow up. Gave me a good chuckle.
It's so hard to watch, right? But you can never tell them anything.
Always a stripper marriage for Private Snuffy and Lance Corporal Schmuckatelli.
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Hasn't Avatar The Last Airbender done this kind of story before? With elementally-themed people working past their differences but the biggest difference being that there is a common denominator between all the races that allows them to physically be together and it's that they're all humans?
Yup, they did the Four Elements Thing and did it a lot better than this.
@@thefanwithoutaface8105 like, aren't stories that tackle race and segregation usually make it a point how skin color, ethnicity, etc. are just all just superficial? How can the same apply to this movie when the dividing factor between the populace is actual bodily harm? I don't know, you have to be so out of touch if you wrote something like this.
Yeah, from what I've seen so far, Avatar handled it much better. Choosing elements that physically damage each other was a bad choice for a racial analogy. It's still an enjoyable movie, but they definitely didn't think the details through all the way
Wait, there's actual romance in this movie? Is that even allowed in modern day Disney?
A classic straight romance. I'm floored
"I was pleasantly surprised to find it wasn't awful."
Honestly, at this point this is the average win. I'll take it.
Good review, Greg.
I appreciate it!
Yeah, it's a pretty sad state for cinema when I'm like "it's not awful and the movie doesn't call you a bad person or shoe horn in goofy messages" and that's considered praise. We need help, badly
It’s miles better than the borefests and forgettable installments that were Lightyear and Strange World
I have no plans whatsoever to see this, I just enjoy your reviews... Happy Father's Day.
I appreciate it, and a happy father's day to you as well
Also, liked the Critical Drinker "don't know."
Love that guy!
"They hold hands and there's steam."
Mmmmm, steamy G rated hand holding.
It’s actually a PG rated film but I see what you mean.
And *spoiler below* when it comes to the steam.
There was apparently a planned alternate / extended ending (possibly a post credit scene) when it flashes forward in time and Ember and Wade return with a steam baby.
From what I read though it doesn’t appear it even got past the storyboard phase.
I can't properly articulate why, but my wife and I loved it. This movie had the feel of classic Pixar movies to me and I was surprisingly emotionally invested. It may be because my wife is Asian and I'm white so it was easy for us to relate to the characters, and for us the romance was secondary to cultural hurdles and growth. We both agreed this movie was not well marketed and we originally didn't have much interest in seeing it, but were glad that we decided to see it.
I'm really glad you guys enjoyed it!
Honestly, I never expected my husband to become so emotional while watching a Pixar movie (surprise he even made a comment). As an immigrant myself, this film beautifully portrays the immigrant experience in America and how much pressure my Chinese family puts on me, expectations I can never fully meet. "Elemental" captured my heart, especially with its poignant ending in "The Bow" scene, something I've never experienced in return. The depiction of interracial romance was portrayed flawlessly, showcasing the challenges and beauty of dating someone from a different race. I'm amazed that Pixar was able to create something so relatable to my own life in just a few hours. Unfortunately, it seems like this movie didn't receive the marketing it deserved.
We will most likely wait and stream it at the house. Great video and love the review!
This is a nice one for a lazy Saturday stream, for sure
Happy Father's Day to Greg and all you fathers out there!
Pixar’s movies used to be events, and the last thing anyone would say about them is that they were “fun but forgettable.” How far they have fallen 😞
Yeah, it's a sad state for the company. They have become horribly average, which is terrible by their standards
True. I don’t go to the theater to watch average movies. Current Pixar is pathetic compared to their past. No need to see this one.
What a smart kids you have. They have solid arguments on ratings. I never as kid had good arguments why I liked things
I honestly, to my surprise, actually enjoyed watching this movie. While not perfect, it's still very fun to watch; and some scenes were emotional enough to touch me. The animation is unique, the story is good, and the characters are fun. And the chemistry between Wade and Ember is pretty believable, because it does take its time to develop it - even if you can tell almost right away. And I suppose their personalities almost match their elements: Ember has trouble with her fiery temper, while Wade tends to be a sympathy cryier. To me, Wade and Emver have one of the most realistic relationships in a Disney movie, because while you can tell there is something between them, they still start off as good friends, and confirm their love near the end of the movie; this becoming a real couple. They say opposites attract, and that's very true in their case - but they also have things in common. The moment when Ember met Wade's family was fun to watch because it showed how far society has come to accepting others; and yes, the game where Wade made Ember cry for the first time was very touching because it what sparked their true feeling for each other.
It would have been nice to hear more about Wade's father; like what can of man he was, what he did for a living, and what caused their relationship to drift away. It also would have been nice to see more of Clod, he definitely should of had a bigger role. I also wish they explained more of the crack in the dam - did it just get old, or was it caused by something? The part where Ember and Wade have an argument over their differences, that I also wish could of had a bit more attention. I mean, Ember got her say on how she feels, but Wade never really explained his point of view. Maybe he could have told Ember that just because he comes from luxury, he never truly did what he wanted because of everything his father expected of him growing up - and his dying wish was for Wade to find his own path. Also, Wade could have told Ember that the reason his family has money is because of how much work they put into making a life for their families.
Overall, I did enjoy the movie. And I actually thought that Wade died in the end - but it's Disney; they don't do that. And I'm actually glad they didn't. It would have been nice to see more of Ember and Wade's childhood. Maybe have them cross each other's paths multiple times, but never actually interacted. If there's ever a sequel...I'd watch it. Maybe it could be about Wade and Ember getting married and starting a family.
It definitely had those high points but you're right that they introduced a lot of ideas and then never went anywhere with them. It's good to have a lot of subplots, but these are just loose ends that don't get tied up. You bring up a good point about wade not getting his say. Honestly, I think wade as a character never gets a say. He's very flat. I realize that I don't have an issue with him being in love immediately, so much as him having no reason to be in love. He doesn't really have a character or part to play, he's more of a plot device.
This movie had more potential than it executed on
Coming soon Elementals, watch as Ember and Wade attempt to raise their new baby Misty. Will this news addition keep their marriage red hot or will the added stress of being parents cause their marriage to evaporate?
I think the leaky dam was caused by simple neglect by the city. It’s unfortunately not uncommon for cities / towns wherever to neglect to upkeep infrastructure.
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Honestly you just confirmed my plan yo watch it on streaming, it already seemed mid to me, and was pretty clear it was going to be a racial themed romance movie, with nothing else really brought to the table
Pretty much. Sorry to confirm, but this is definitely a good one to stream
I very much enjoyed this movie🥰 Sure, I would have Peeso hanged a few things here and there, but I was over all extremely satisfied when leaving the theater. Took my brother to see it and he also loved it.
Greatest movie ever made… probably not. But definitely the cutest, sweetest, most wholesome movie I’ve seen this year so far.
I personally am getting tired of movies always messing with your expectations and surprising you with every plot point they have, which is why I was overwhelmed with Spiderverse. I enjoyed it just fine, but there was too much happening and the movies always plays these tricks on you. It was ice to just watch a cute, straightforward, wholesome movie.
I get the “love at first sight” thing can get annoying for some people and they enjoy build up, but sometimes it just needs to work out that way, and I’ll use Titanic as an example. That was very love at first sight with Jack and Rose and it was also a story about classes “mixing.” So… I don’t know. Whatever floats your boat, I guess.
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Saw it, really enjoyed it, and cried like a baby
Families do not trust Disney anymore for family friendly
And that's Disney's fault. Elemental will lose money, but once it comes to Disney plus and more people see it, I think it will begin the work of starting to improve Pixar's image
Which is kind of sad because you can tell people really work their butts off for this movie. If family's don't trust Disney any more than Disney does not have an obligation to make films for families Disney and Pixar can start experimenting with films like make PG-13 movies they could do something that illumination or Dreamworks Animation don't have the guts to do
@@animezilla4486That’s doubtful, PG-13 animated films tend to not perform well at all, despite if they’re actually good
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Alternate interpretation of the racial allegory. Different people are actually different, and sometimes those differences can cause problems. However, those problems don't mean that different races/cultures shouldn't interact, just that we need to understand and accept those differences. Just a thought.
If they had leaned into that, I would have loved it, honestly.
In America we tried the colorblind thing and it's stupid. People are different and that's more than ok. We should celebrate the differences and similarities. Unfortunately, the movie makes the fire people the victim immigrants and the whole racial message was just clumsy.
This movie was so charming, and I’m embarrassed to admit how much I cried during it lol
Same here.
I didn’t full on cry, but I did tear up at a few moments, mainly the scenes when Ember talked to Wade about her past (and when he cries himself in that scene) and the scenes when Ember was sad thinking about letting her father down. Especially the final minutes of the film, which even though I read the novel and knew what would happen it was still a very emotional scene.
I did hear some people sniffling in my theater both times I saw it during those parts too
I just saw Flash this evening and Elemental won't open here (in Japan) for a couple of months, so I'll probably be able to sail the seven seas for it. Based on your review, that might be a good choice.
Are you going to see The Flash? I loved it. It has some really good jokes and great performances. (Expat life: As the Japanese are reading the movie, we can echo locate and count how many non-Japanese are in the audience by the random pockets of laughter in the theater.)
Haha, watching an English movie in another country has got to be trippy.
I'm hoping to see flash tonight, but my day job is cramping my style. I'm excited to see it because it's supposed to be the bridge to the Gunn verse. After seeing the guardians trilogy, I'm highly interested to see how the new DCU comes together.
@@gregowen2022 I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. By chance, Spiderman Into the Spiderverse and The Flash opened the same day here and I watched them back to back.
I don't want to spoil, but both movies are written by the same people -- and you can tell.
I don't recall a Spiderman video on your channel. Is that on your list of movies to review? It'd be a darn shame if you sacrificed that time for The Little Mermaid instead. ;)
@@stevensantos9572 I definitely reviewed spiderverse and absolutely loved it. I'm working on another script about it because it was so fun I want to talk about it more
@@gregowen2022 Oh, write that script AFTER you watch The Flash. TRUST me.
On the upside: the pitch meeting will probably be fun.
I can't wait to see what they do with it
I just watched it, and really loved it! It's super cute and doesn't really look like what you'd expect from the trailer. And what's the problem about a guy falling in love with a girl instantly?? It's very natural and common. And it's natural for a girl to take time with her return feelings.
The more I think about it, it's not that he falls instantly, it's that he doesn't have any reason to or much character at all. He literally says he doesn't know what he wants to do in life and is bouncing from job to job. It's very much Ember's movie and Wade is more of a plot device. That would be fine if he wasn't half of the main duo of the movie.
@@gregowen2022 well, it IS Ember's movie, it starts and continues with her story, literally from her birth. Thinking too much about the details sometimes ruins the movie's magic :) Like - did you think how did they actually build the city with all that glass..without fire?. Or did they still have some kind of non-person fire?.. I don't know.. No, don't even think about it! 😂
As for me, Wade's character is totally likable, he is brave and protective, which are wonderful masculine traits. And you can tell why she falls for him. Why he falls for her? I had an impression that because of how confident and determined she looked for him. She was so passionate about her store and life goal. Maybe I got it wrong.
Hahahahahahahah “like a certain soft woman” 😂 the kid reviews are hilarious.
My thoughts here are quite lengthy :
For me, as someone who had immigrant grandparents who too had to make a lot of sacrifices and work hard this film was all the more relatable.
I genuinely loved this film, it’s easily my favorite Pixar film in a long time, and it still has left an impact me over two weeks after seeing it (I’ve seen it twice now, and my audience both times seemed to love it) something an animated film in general hasn’t done to me in a while either. Between the heart, themes, humor, dialogue, voice acting, animation etc I would probably give this an 8 or even 9/10. Highly recommended for families and kids compared to other ones out right now.
If I had to make any nitpicks, I would say the third act does have a few cliches (third act breakup, liar revealed, and fake out death).
For the other point though that’s brought up about how you can understand why certain elements would be feared, I agree it does make sense why they would fear them. But at the same time it doesn’t give anyone the right to be hateful or persecute them, say mean or hurtful things etc. Not everything is black and white (they do say in the film Element City wasn’t made with Fire People in mind) .
Also this is just a guess, but for the bit when Ember and Wade were able to touch, yet later on when he nearly “dies” I think it was because earlier they were able to compose themselves (I did like the psychological aspect of Ember having to control her “fiery” instincts, gave me Legosi from “Beastars” vibes (as well as of course her conflicted feelings over the business, her father, and Wade as you mentioned) (Legosi also has the inner struggle against his carnivorous instincts). But when they were trapped in that room, she was getting upset and scared of their situation, so that caused her fire to accelerate, as she wasn’t really in control of her emotions in that moment.
And for the leaky dam, I saw it as the city simply neglecting to upkeep its infrastructure which unfortunately is a real life issue that happens far too often. And for the part when Wade nearly gets swept away by the water, I think it was because the water was not a live being like him.
PS It is quite unfortunate this gem of a film has underperformed as it has, it deserves all the love and support it can get.
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That cardboard play button is just a chef’s kiss of activated backgrounds
Thanks, my kids made it! It's my favorite set piece
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Ill take this review way to many people say its horible its not horable its simple and fun with some flaws ❤
Sounded like it was what I kind of thought it was gonna be, which for most people was better than they thought it would lol.
At this point I don’t think it has to be the biggest movie in the world for Disney/Pixar. They just need something that won’t be universally despised like Lightyear and as completely niche as the period panda movie (who the hell green lit that??!)
It’s good to just see something a bit truer to old form. Here’s hoping from now on they can have a rethink going forward and get on the right path again. Elio actually looks really really good imo and could be a winner for them just on early looks..
Have you seen the trailer for Elio yet Greg?
Yeah, this wasn't a masterpiece, but compared to the last two, it looks amazing. If Pixar gets back to classic story telling and polishes the execution a bit, they are showing that they can still have potential. I agree on turning red, how the hell did that see the light of day?
I did see the Elio trailer before the movie. It looks really cute! The various alien races should provide plenty of opportunities for odd couple comedy. My only concern is what is earth on trial for? Are we going to be lectured about how terrible we are because people treat each other poorly while the civilized aliens all get along in a peaceful utopia?
@@gregowen2022: I get that, I know it’s a children’s movie but I hope they keep it broader than just US social issues. Not to become a massive downer but when you have something like the Russian/Ukrainian war that could escalate into god knows what, near abysmal poverty and crime rates that span all across the world and that environmentally we aren’t doing so great there’s plenty a alien civilisation can actually judge now never mind stuff that has happened throughout history lol
But there’s a lot to live for and that there’s good and hopeful things about us is the message I’d like to get from this movie. We’ll see, I know we all just want good entertaining films with no pandering after years of being hammered on the head with messaging. But the truly great movies usually have something to say and that’s always a risk but if executed well you can get something special
You talked me into it... my kids could use some fun
I hope you guys have a great time!
I saw the movie today as part of a discount double feature with Fast X of all movies! (They pair a new release with an earlier one.) Both were enjoyable if repeating the beats of what's come before.
Question, how are u able to take a 3 year old to the movies lol
I got me a 3 yr old. He ain't patient enough to sit for 30 mins ..let alone an hr
You should tell your wife that of course Wade fell for Ember right away... She's crazy hot.
Haha, she's smoking
I was talking about this movie with my coworker today, and I said I wasn't interested because it looked like it would be about racism and a love story, both handled poorly. How depressing to see I was right.
Thank you for family reviews! I'll be sure to share it with others who are thinking about seeing it.
I appreciate it!
Yeah, I would say wait for D+ on this one. There are some enjoyable parts, but if you're heading to the theater, there are better options
I liked it!
I remember Toys Story 3. It was historical, It was sublime. For me Pixar is not just "its ok, it was nice, cute romance". No. For me Pixar was totally insanelly gorgeous movies. After Elemental, I think its Disney decay in all of their products.
Yeah, yeah. The whole “it doesn’t suck as much as I thought it would” gets no points from me. I remember when Pixar had high standards. I trust Dreamworks a lot more these days.
We took our son to watch this movie yesterday. We all loved it especially Wade's character, he was hilarious and a big sweetheart. Ember and Wade's love story is so cute. 🥰👍🌊🔥
I'm not sure I want to take my kids to see such a steamy romance.
I get what you did there 😉
I think me and my sis will stick with Ruby Gillman Teenage Kraken (despite the perceved trajectory of only 8 million dollars on its opening weekend.)
I think we're just gonna have more fun with this one. 😅 Even just from clips online, I am really liking Ruby lmao. She is so adorable.
Also, outside of maybe WISH, I don't trust Disney these days.
I'm hoping to go see Ruby as well. I can't place why, but the trailers don't have me pumped. But I generally trust DreamWorks so I'm in! Fingers crossed it's great
Ruby Gillman is definitely inferior to Elemental in terms of quality though
I dislike that Elemental is simplified and diminished as an off brand Zootopia. Beyond the love story, Elemental focuses generational trauma and the pressures felt by an immigrant child. Ember feels burdened and wants to sacrifice her own dreams in order to repay her father’s sacrifice of leaving their home country for a better life. She learns to reconcile with these feelings and finds the courage to tell this to her father, who is finally ready to retire. I see myself in Ember and my parents in her parents. I also love the way she bowed (drawing from Korean culture) to her father, who never received acceptance from his own father. I’ve watched this film multiple times in theaters and can’t wait for it to be released on D+.
how much did they pay you bro?
This was literally pre-empted with a trailer for the movie with me.
Yeah, I think people have been a bit overly critical on Elemental. But it wasn't really anything to write home about. It was fine, aggressively fine.
I agree with your take on the issue with Elemental trying to tackle prejudice is it's too far removed from humanity. Yes, there is prejudice against fire people. But also it's shown that if they fall into water, they die. If they trip into wood people, the wood people die (ok, that's not shown, but it's implied.) So there's very, very, very logical reasons for there to be separate areas for these people! They will die or murder by accident!
Wow I took the "nobody took off their clothes" statement way out of context HaHa
Anymore you can’t be disappointed by Disney, only pleasantly surprised. Because racism…. Not because fire burns trees….
Yeah a lot of people pointed out this is a weak racism allegory, beyond the fact basically everything now is a racism allegory, characters in this world are afraid of Fire People because there is legit danger. Water people can get boiled or turned to steam, Earth guys get effectively burned to ash and I imagine Air people would be destroyed due to the heat. To say nothing of Water people accidentally killing Fire people because duh.
It just doesn't work because race in the real world is dictated by skin color which is pretty much just a cosmetic difference while here the differences are serious.
Haha, maybe that's the plan from Disney! Lower the bar into the basement so none of the movies are disappointing and even average movies seem good compared to the last few years' garbage
I saw it yesterday, and i loved it. Felt more like older Disney movies. Maybe Beauty and the Beast or Aladdin (originals not the remakes). Visually was amazing, Nothing really objectionable and i do like romance stories. It had a bit of Zootopia in the mix too and that only helped my impression.
I'm glad you enjoyed it!
It certainly had that classic feel. I think the execution wasn't the best, but I'm really glad if they are heading back to that older feeling and themes
There’s something to be said for a point of no return. Even if I show Disney movies to my kids, it’s not going to be anything from Frozen onward. Not because literally everything from then on sucks, I’m sure there are a few good things. But rather because I don’t want them to want anything from modern Disney. Picking through a bowl full of poison to find a single piece of candy is not a good idea.
I’ve enjoyed your bringing your family’s opinion into the review. I particularly enjoyed the pink/blue colour scoring system you devised, it was clever. I’m also guessing it adds to the fun to be able to discuss things with the kids?
I think I’d be mixed on this film also. I’m a sucker for a good romantic story and I love good visuals in films, but I’m so tired of studios approaching race/racism with the nuance of a brick.
Honestly though, it’s the story that kills it for me. It feels more like a 2000s romcom with a tacked on plot to make the city relevant. I mean, I find city water inspection as fascinating as the next guy, but there is no next guy and I don’t find it fascinating. That said, my nephew loves bright colours so this might be a great film for him. In any case though, we’re probably going to wait until it’s on Disney+.
Great job as always Greg. I died with analogy of an 18 year old with a ring in his pocket. Golden!
Bringing the kids in has been a lot of fun, plus we have the excuse to see more movies. I had to color code to save time, lol. The family section gets long when there are seven other opinions.
You're not wrong to wait, this is certainly a stream movie. There are enjoyable parts, but so much of the concept wasn't fully thought out and its drags the whole thing down.
Im so happy that im a woman and just watch a film open to the experience and feeling and dont feel the need to get logical about it 😂
What does being a woman have to do with it? What does that even mean?
Just generally, women think more in emotions and men more logical.
May be a judgement of mine, but something I've observed. I don't think I would ever break down an animation in this way. I would just feel into how I am feeling. This is why I think generally women are easier to sell to. They can be ruled by their emotions.
Where as men can tend to look at things with more of a logical mind. I didn't think about how the elements couldn't work, I just accepted the love story lol.
@@veritehunter2191 Well, I’m a cis woman and I do exactly what this guy does when I engage with media. I analyze it and break things down and look at things in a logical way. The lack of worldbuilding and logic in this movie in particular is one of the many problems I had with it. I wouldn’t consider it its biggest flaw, but it is something worth mentioning. There are a lot of inconsistencies.
My wife likes the movie, and it looks nice, my son likes the way it looks (he's young), but I don't like it as a moral lesson.
The main character has a problem with her temper, and she never really learns to deal with her temper. Instead the moral is that she's just not getting what she wants and if she gets what she wants then she'd be fine.
I also feel like I'm not comfortable with Disney pushing back on filial piety like this movie does. It's just another important value for them to destroy.
6:14 I got that reference
haven't seen it personally yet but, at least from what you've said here and I've heard elsewhere, this is probably the first movie released in a while that sounds like it's actually trying to say something unifying rather than divisive. While it's hard to put into words, it's one of those things where you can typically tell if a movie is trying to push *_the message_* and is being intentionally divisive, or is actually trying to say something good. It's sort of like how the Mandalorian got praised because it was the first Star Wars media in a long time that didn't feel like it actively hated it's own franchise. Could be wrong of course (as you mention I'll probably wait to watch it streamed or something) but that's just something I've noticed.
And no, I'm not oblivious to the fact that "this movie isn't actively hateful and divisive" now being notable is a sad state of affairs for all involved. I hate
It's such a sad state that "it's not garbage" is praise for a movie. But yes, they didn't do the message insert crap. No element just walks on screen and announces they are gay just so that box can be checked. It's a more classic feel which is good, even if the execution isn't great
Can you do one about the new new mulan
Good stuff Greg
Much appreciated!
Hey, I'm working on a video about AI. What are your thoughts on the future of coding? Do you think coding is dead? Or do you see AI as an automation like WYSIWYG html editors or CSS automation that will maybe trim some Jr dev jobs but will overall just add tools for devs to be more efficient?
@@gregowen2022 TH-cam deleted my comment like 3 times, is it cool if I email my response to the business email on your youtube profile?
@@KineticCode that would be great!
I don't understand the yt comment deletion criteria, they get so weird sometimes
@@KineticCode I'll get back to you when I'm near a physical keyboard, but I was mostly thinking the same thing
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Anthro animals that are just one step away from being human would of course live in a cleverly altered city. Fantastical, ethereal elements would NOT, but writers can't be bothered to come up something unique, they just bang on with humor resulting from the inane, forced concept.
That it resulted in something watchable is a feat in itself, and speaks to the talent of the animators who you rightly complimented.
Yeah, I was genuinely surprised that it was watchable at all. I was expecting a dumpster fire.
Definitely more to be desired and the execution could have been better, but I've seen worse. It's a solid average
If anyone is curious if there are any LGBT characters, there is one character, but they’re a background character, and they have one line that has nothing to do with LGBT, but it is not that big of a deal and it’s not noticeable.
Of course the animation and visuals are going to be good, this is Disney we're talking about they hire people with at least 5 to 10 years of experience in the field...as for the plot...i guess people liked the classical romance but not much else.
Now you raised my expectations and I'm going to hate it... =_=
Nooooo! The only way to enjoy this one is have your expectations super low and don't think too hard about what's on screen, haha
wanted to hit that like button but it was at 665 when I got here
Can't blame you. Not today, Satan!
As I've said before, it will take at least 3 or 4 great Pixar movies to make them the cinema event they were pre 2020.
Definitely. This wasn't horrible, but it wasn't good enough to restore confidence in Pixar
....they should have made a better trailer then....
Definitely should have. Although since there isn't too much actual plot, I'm not sure what they would have gone with. Just emphasize the love story I guess, but maybe then romance lovers would have been interested
so zootopia
I'd still say Zootopia did it better. In that movie at least the two different types could live together and be basically fine (ignoring stuff like Night Howler plants). In Elemental, these people coexisting even if they were asleep can lead to unintentional homicide.
@@magma_fire_bagwan I´m not hating, just summarize it
@leodlocho not saying you were! :> just where my brain went
@@magma_fire_bagwan oh got it, no problem, cool
Haha, yes. Zootopia, but not as well thought out
Glad to hear it was alright! also cool theres a bit of subversion with how it isnt that she is forced to take over but wants to live up to expectations herself. The physically showing the racial divide is yea... not good. Think they wanted to show there was actually warrant for this instead of just unjust hate but that just makes it justified. Guess they wanted it to come around to the end where even if u do get harmed, it's all good if u are happy or something. The director said this was a personal love letter to his parents and of his own background so glad some of those feelings shined thru even if a bit generic and expected since it is a common story
Yeah, it definitely could have been done better. From what I've seen Avatar handled this better, with each tribe having a bent towards a personality centered around their element. When the characters find out that the other tribes are just people like them, it makes more sense because it's a personality clash, they aren't physically different and incompatible.
Yeah racism movie when they can all actually hurt each other from each element and it falls apart
It might have had the lowest opening for a Pixar movie, but it had long legs so it won't finish up as Pixar's lowest grossing movie. Of course it would have to earn a lot more to get over its budget.
So basically every other recent Pixar film that does the same thing as good dinosaur or at best onward. Dragged out stories where most at best try to justify the final portion of a movie which is never a good thing and defeats the point of a film
Yep. This would have been better as a short, like most recent Pixar
I had the exact same feelings as you with this movie. My 3-year-old likes the colors and the music, so we've seen it several times on Disney Plus. The racial thing is noticeable but not too in your face that it's painful to watch.
Having just watched it a few hours ago, I will say this - I enjoyed the movie, but it could be a better film if they fleshed out some aspects. The story is messy in its delivery, and I felt that the "conflict" wasn't really done that well. In particular, in an odd way, the movie really needed to show MORE "fire racism" than it did. There were a few moments here and there, but it did not really carry the message that the fire people were THAT HATED for a story about supposed racism. Still, on the plus side, it's a beautiful movie with some excellent effects. Like, for real. Just the fire and water depictions were on point.
All in all, it's a pretty film that could have used more substance (seriously, for a movie about four elements, they really only showed mostly fire and water).
It feels like there must have been a frantic editing room on this one - and they just barely salvaged an ok movie at the end.
I thought there was an implication of laziness, corruption and incompetence within the upper classes and bureaucrats running the city, which makes some thematic sense. The pipes were in the fire community because they were living in dilapidated and repurposed water people buildings. The city should have built more appropriate housing instead of just applying a band-aid solution of turning off the water, but why would they put much effort into preventing a flood when they are physically unaffected by it?
A reflection of people well-meaning on an individual level but selfish and ignorant as a society in general felt like the background commentary .
Couldn't help but notice that the (brown) earth people had next to no voice in the movie whatsoever...
All that said, the romance was touching and the ending with the dad and the bow was heartfelt.
It's basically if Pixar made a Hallmark movie. If that's what you're looking for, then great. But, it's not anything special
They did the earth element dirty.
My daughter asked about it, but told her we will wait to see something better in theaters. This is gonna be a pass. So, sick of the modern morons attempt messaging of what they think is a "good take" being cramed in family movies.
Love the Critical Drinker reference there bud.
Go awae now!
Zootopia but with elements.
Precisely, except not as well thought out, sadly
Pay? No. Free? Yes
Disney has squandered my trust over and over again. It’s too late for me.
Understandable, and the box office numbers show you aren't alone. They are going to have to work hard to build that trust back
Is it rlly that deep though?
Pixar never dissapoints on original movies that aren't sequels of their franchises
And that’s what we need more of. More (great) originals like this film and less of sequels / remakes that no one asks for and ones that pale in comparison.
I mean do we really need Toy Story 5? The fourth one was alright but wasn’t that needed.
Granted I do think Inside Out and Zootopia 2 have a lot of potential.
Unpopular opinion I like turning red
I liked it too, it surprised me at how mature it got at times but I didn’t think it went overboard (the people who complained about the subtle “period” stuff was ridiculous though).
Algo
Thank you!
Hmm. Darn. I was hoping people were just reaching when they were saying it was another racial allegory, and that it was really a story about different personality types, though it certainly seems my hope was misplaced.
Sorry to confirm. It's very much about immigrants and races and such, which can make for a great story. This one was just clumsily done
It was ok 6/10. There was no antagonist in the movie besides literally water.
Great graphics, but the story was dull because there was no bad guy.
Disney put , racism, patriachy, gender ideology and diversity by having casting based on colour not skill.
Compare this to trolls where fox spent almost half the ammount of money and had 5 major stars in leading roles. It doesn't cost 200 million to have no name actors voice a movie.
Trolls is now onto its 3rd movie and many side productions.
This movie wont make a profit. Because they put ideology above merit.
Zootopia was already about race and already not thought out well at all
I hate when in order to enjoy a movie a can't think about it. Pass.
So this movie is on the same level as Brave and The Good Dinosaur?
Real talk, for as forgettable as it was, I didn't mind Good Dinosaur.
Brave, however, actually made me mad.
@@FlyingFocs I haven't seen brave in a while. What pissed you off?
Pretty much. I can't say anything in the movie straight up bothers me. It's more that it's forgettable and poorly executed. Definitely stream this one on a lazy Saturday or something