It sounds a lot of nitpicking to me than actual issues. I'll be coming from a 2017 Ram 1500 Sport when I plan on purchasing the new Tundra. To me, it's literally the same old issues but with more reliable parts. All my vehicles do is park outside due to living in an apartment. do the Garage isn't an issue and my current Ram 1500 crew cab with a short box doesn't fit in a garage. Most trucks don't fit in a garage unless it's a newer home. The turn radius is about the same as a Ram 1500, and the access to the bed is the same. if you want better access, you're better off buying a Chevy, Ram, or a Ford. Ford with its step built into the top of the tail gate, Chevy with its double tailgate thing, and Ram with the swinging open tailgate. As for the tighter interior, it's about the same as a Ram 1500.
@@Saveyourbs Yes because the Lariat allows me to have everything I want without a panoramic moonroof. With being 6'6" tall, I'm not looking down to see out of the windshield. And the B&O unleashed kind of sold me on the Ford. I really like my music 😅 It also wasn't a easy decision either. I really like the new Tundra as well. It also boiled down to cost of ownership. The Tundra is over all more expensive to insure, and replace wear and year items on than the Ford. The tires are about $100 more per tire, insurance is almost $200 cheaper than the Tundra on a 6 month premium. The Ford also gets better mpg since I opted for the 2.7L instead if the 3.5 or 5.0. that engine is deceptively quick little thing. With Ford being about $5,000 more than the tundra I was looking at, it will be about 3 years of savings before I make my money back. Then the F150 will be cheaper to own after that mark. Also I don't have to pay a monthly fee to use my remote start. Even to use the phone app is free for the lifetime of ownership of the truck.
@@thegreatempire3882 wow man that’s all great and valuable information. I’m looking into getting a RAM but now I will be checking out the Ford Lariat as well. My coworkers who drive Ford’s swear by them. But then again whatever truck they drive, they feel like it’s the best truck ever lol so there’s never really an unbiased answer from them. Anyways man enjoy your new truck and thanks for the info.
I don't think that the new Tundra is a "waste of money", it's just a changed truck. Each new iteration brings changes that some people will like, and others will not. Your truck still looks to be in great shape, so enjoy it and cross-shop some other trucks that will fit your specific needs. This Tundra will be my next truck, good luck with your search.
He really said you’re allowed to be wrong smh. I do agree with you on some of the stuff that you pointed out but some of the reasons are not big enough to not buy the truck. Like you’re using the SR5 model as an example not even a crew max! Just because you can’t do stuff that you normally do on your 18 doesn’t mean that it will bother other people. I just want you to prove me wrong and redo the video and for that you would have to own one or spend enough time with it to really compare them. Also you’re pointing out stuff that you don’t like. I just don’t see the point of you comparing the leg room with a crewmax vs a double cab.
Thank you. My sentiments exactly, the point that this engine is more fuel efficient is a big deal to me, and the power it has. Money wise everything is going up so no surprise there, It’s so crazy that you have people change there mind about buying, just buy looking at a TH-cam video that nitpicks on small things, Lots of followers.
Exactly. How the hell do you compare two different cab sizes and say one doesn’t have enough leg room? This guy is just nitpicking at this point. He gotta park damn near on the wall of his garage to for his truck to fit in comfortably. Is that Toyotas fault his garage is too little for it? For me to take him serious he’s going to have to buy one.
@@PB-nu1pv gotta agree man. I gave up on finding videos to research from because most of the reviewers are the same way imo. Just say you don’t like it and move on. He could have at least been driving a 2022 and maybe I would take him seriously.
@@wiseg.s5872 wow a couple of mpgs better and 7 more hp more. Lol still slower than the V8. If I were to purchase a V6 truck it'll be the Ford ecoboost.
The bumper issue was the only legit point in this video. Miss me at comparing a DC to a CM because that's the only they had. In any truck those two types of cabs are drastically different in the backseat. Miss me at the "but I can't walk around the truck with the garage door closed." No one will stick with their old truck for that reason. You sound like a guy rationalizing why you won't buy the new truck and stick with your 2018. Agree with you in keeping your 18 and not having enough value in the new ones to make it compelling, but how you came off in your video was not good.
@@johannschnell64 Of course that is a huge convenience issue if he can't walk around the truck. I have a 2008 Ford Ranger supercab. I park in a condo, I can still walk around it even with the tail gate down, and still have room to park my motorcycle next to my truck. And I can park in one go, no going "forward and back" a few times just to fit. One guy has a big Ram 2500 and he has to fold his mirror in every time he parks so he doesn't hit it on the building pillar. It's definitely a make or break for some people.
I'd argue that "waste" is a strong word. I also agree that your complaints are highlighting real differences in the new version. It definitely seems to be moving away from being a particularly work-friendly truck. As someone coming from a Tacoma who uses his truck more for off-roading/forest service use and less for work (ie virtually no towing) the Tundra makes some sense (Though no tow hooks is BS). It basically feels like a bigger Taco. I live in a rural area where the parking issues and garage issues are more or less irrelevant. The cabin size is a legit thing to point out though not something I'd care about coming from a Taco. Fuel efficiency seems dramatically better (even better than my '09 taco). The infotainment/navigation/remote start subscription is absolute total BS but looks to apply to all new Toyotas (not so much a Tundra issue and apparently Toyota is "reevaluating" this). Your thoughts are helpful considerations and depending on the needs of one's truck.
@@kedrevs4037 What do you think the percentage of actual used tow hooks is in the United States? What isn’t a waste of money? And don’t tell me the last generation Tundra.
@@donwarner6925 I think it is low, but I have never used my ABS system. Seems like I’d still want it when the situation arises. Never “needed” my fog lamps but still prefer them.
Considering that Toyota had only 20 years to come up with this new model,it's hard to believe that this is the best they could do. It's almost like they waited until the last minute and then rushed to put something together. I'll take the old Tundra any time.
Toyota is definitely going down hill. There are some big mistakes being made by their big wigs with the fancy MBA's. They dont really listen tot he consumer. They just do whatever their egos tell them to.
I've been in the new crew cab a dozen times and it's amazing. Parking is no issue and it's the 6.5' bed crewmax. Has steps under both sides of rear bumper actually making it easier to get in. Rides great and looks awesome. Just wish it sounded like the 5.7
Or do a little more stretching and step/jump up on the tailgate. Don't think I ever used the bumper in all the years I had a lifted Taco. And I'm only 5'7"
I don’t like the rear bumper either but for a different reason - the fact that the bedsides are basically integrated into it. One thing I love about most trucks is that you can get rear ended and all you have to do is unbolt the old bumper and bolt on a new one. Not so much with this one. That was the main thing that deterred me from it. Coming from a 2008 Tacoma, I’m sure the 22 Tundra would be a huge upgrade to me otherwise, but I still think the outgoing model is better personally. Just going to go with 2nd gen Tundra for my next truck.
I waited and did my research finally decided in June I’m ordering a 2021 before it’s to late. Picked up a Platinum in Windchill Pearl in late August, it arrived at my dealer. I’m super happy with my truck and have no regrets on my choice of getting some of the last built 2021’s. I feel all problems have been worked and refined out of this gen and was probably the best made truck at this point.
I agree. I had a 2010, 2016 (which I LOVED), 2017, 2018, and now my 2021 SR5...when I saw the last one, I knew I better grab it and keep it forever, because they aren't coming back again built like those. I think you'd miss your '21 if you got rid of it.
@@gggallon your response is making me seriously consider getting a tundra. I have many coworkers who love their tundras. Can’t lie though I’m leaning towards the 2022.
Biggest reason for me is that the new tundra is more like a luxury car with a box. Coil spring rear? Moulded in bumpers front and rear? So much plastic?One look at it and you can tell it is designed for city slickers at malls and drive thru’s. Then again that is true of all new half tons.
Not as true with other trucks as it is of this one. Toyota went all-in on sedan. You can still get a 3.73, or 3.92 rear in Ford and Ram. You can still get a muscular V8 with GM. Nissan still builds a great powertrain with a powerful V8. All others still offer tow hooks, and superior ways into the bed.
@@kedrevs4037 agreed in that others are definitely better. However, my personal opinion is that coil springs don’t belong in a truck (so Ram is out), not to mention Ram’s payload is usually on the lower side, but still somewhat acceptable I guess. Ford and Chevy are a little better for that, but again, generally speaking new trucks are becoming more car like and you can definitely feel it in every aspect - from the body to the electronics. I believe Fords are most truck like, but I drove the 2021 with a 3.5 and it was amazing how different it drove even from my 2018 5.0. The steering felt artificially light and it almost felt like I was driving something halfway between a gas and an electric vehicle. HD’s are starting to ride smoother which is a good thing. Unfortunately the Titan is no longer in Canada - I do like that truck though.
The garage complaint is pretty silly. I have had a vehicle so long that when I park it I just have to open the garage door to walk behind the vehicle. In practice it’s going to be open whenever you need to get to the vehicle driver seat anyway.
Is it my imagination, or is the length from the front bumper to base of windshield much longer on the 2022, which would most likely be the reason the rear seat length on the doublecab was sacrificed? Also, possibly the windshield has more rake?
Not your imagination and there is a foot of dead space in there. It was likely included to increase crash test score, but makes it near impossible to add functional tow hooks.
The back seat in the new tundra crew max is small and the back rest is very upright compared to the last generation. Thanks for bringing up the other issues that has really opened my eyes. Im currently looking for a 2021 tundra. Thanks for a awesome reveiw!
Thanks for the great video. I now own a 2019 Toyota Tundra Limited Crew Max and love it. 1) I am no longer in the market for a 2022 Tundra due to Toyota's alienation of the Loyal Toyota Tundra Customer Base. 2) If you buy a 1/2 ton Pick up, you are not concerned with a 1/2 MPG verses tow hooks. Its a TRUCK! You need the Tow Hooks.! I use mine often. 3) This crazy deal of taking the remote start from the owner after three years. This ticks the owner off! 4) Add the $10 to the price of the truck and pass it on the ME the buyer. Toyota needs to go back to the "Total quality program" for design and building of the truck. The feedback that Toyota received from the customers from the Late 1980-1995 MADE Toyota's quality reputation. When they went away from this program in 1996-2000, the engineers took away the insulation in the 1996 Camry to save a few $ and cheapened the paint and changed the fuel pumps, all to save a few $, This made the 1996 Camry the worst Camry in 10 years. It was very noisy, the paint pealed off and the fuel pumps failed and would leave you on the side of the road. Toyota needs to go back to this "Total Quality Program" program and use the feedback from the Loyal customers that have owned and still own Toyota vehicles.
As a Loyal Toyota owner, I am now looking at the GMC AT4X. A Good friend of mine just bought a GMC AT4X and I LOVE it. His GMC AT4X gets 23 MPG/Highway with a V8!!! The best I have seen with the new 2022 Tundra is 19.1MPG/Highway.. My 2019 Tundra gets 18.1 MPG/Highway with the 5.7 V8. In my opinion, Toyota needs a major 2023 Refresh and an apology for the "3 year limit remote start" stupidity before they totally alienate their loyal customer base. On side note! I have a family member that owns a Prius Prime. The 2017 Prius Prime with Toyota Connect is no longer supported. Not ANY Toyota Connect feature is supported Now! You can't even buy the connect feature now. So you are without remote Start or any Remote Connect features. Toyota will not give any reason or fix for this discontinuation of service. Toyota is going in the WRONG direction!!! Thanks again for the great videos, Nelson
I blame our government more than Toyota for this one. Forcing unrealistic mpg expectations on manufacturers rather than letting market forces (increased fuel prices) is a recipe for inferior design.
@@kedrevs4037 I blame Toyota. They could incorporate "Keep it turned off" functionality into the Auto Stop/Start, similar to the button on some vehicles that allows the driver to disable all of the window buttons. One and done. It's that type of "We didn't listen to or care about what real customers want" approach to this Tundra that turns me off. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@kedrevs4037 it's my understanding that it has to be turned off every time the vehicle is started. Having said that, I haven't actually seen one in person.
@@Vox-Populi isn’t that how it is on every vehicle that has this? I had a 2020 raptor and you had to turn it off every time you shut the truck off. I had to take it somewhere to get it permanently disabled.
This review is for those who own 2nd generation tundra and struggling with making decision for upgrade. Those minor (few inches) differences in size and accessibility doesn’t matter to me seeing the brighter side of it.I am getting one !
I think that KEdRevs is right on with many of these issues with the new Tundra. I thought about the exterior dimensions when I heard the 2022 was coming out, so I traded an older Tundra and got a 2021 that fits in my garage. The single best thing that you can do for a vehicle is garage it and not have it exposed to the weather. A 2022 in certain configurations would not fit into my garage. This was an important point to me. The tow hooks is also a nice feature. I understand the excuses Toyota has used on why they are not there. The bottom line is that it was a bonehead move to not include them on the 2022 model. The same applies to not having a step on the rear bumper area to access the bed. Total oversight by Toyota. I am a Toyota Fanboy but these issues that KEdRevs points out are why most of us with 2021 and older models are keeping them.
@@bobby3944 I agree with your most of the points.. but I think for a step at rear bumper is not much of difference… there could be just about 1.5 to 2inch difference directly stepping on it
I’m 6’4” 230. I recently traded in my 2014 limited crewmax for a 2022 Platinum. Bought it new and got 250k miles out of it. I still own my 2007 5.7L double cab that I bought new.I can see how these issues could sway people against the truck. But I heard all the same sorts of criticisms when I bought my 07, and again when I bought the 14. For me, the truck is an improvement in every way. Mechanically and technology wise. But it really all boils down to personal preference.
The subscription is for enhanced features on the infotainment screen, like enhanced nav, traffic, access to remote start from an app on your phone etc. This is the same for the ‘21 trd pro I had. You won’t need a subscription to use those features. I went back to Ford anyways. Toyota offers people what they want like 10 years too late. My “fully loaded” pro had like three options for a $63k price tag.
Absolutely agree that there were some missteps with this new version but if the hybrid is getting near 40mpg and has the 6.5’ bed option I’ll stow my grievances.
One thing that was so disappointing to me in the SR5, they do provide you with USBs in the backseat. In order for you to get it, you have to go to limited. The one I saw was a fully loaded SR5 and it had a MSRP of $56k.
Ya. The amount of plugs on my SR5 is ridiculously low... like the fuck? My 2014 tacoma single cab had more options, and now I've potentially got 5 people, all with phones, and no options to charge them.
For a simple construction worker like me either the Sr or sr5 would suffice. Parking: in the street. Infotainment subscription?! : I already pay my phone bill and Bluetooth is all I need. Turning ratio: I had worse Cabin size: currently driving a 2000 dodge Dakota king cab and plenty of chunky passengers. Bed accessibility: I'm almost 60 and can't afford to stop working 🙃 The life of a simple construction worker is truly a blessing nothing really worth worrying about small stuff. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the details. Personally, I find it laughable that Toyota is trying to build a truck capable of big towing power (attempting to compete with our big three), but they neglected to make it functional/useable as a proper work truck. The shallow bed and missing rear bumper steps are two HUGE red flags. These may seem like small details, and some folks called it nitpicking, but they are items we have taken for granted because most every truck has always had a bumper step. If I got my new Tundra home and made that realization after spending $65k, I would be pissed. And yes, they offer those drop steps, but they are a $600 option. Unlike the OP, I really like the look of the truck, but that's not enough. The Silverado is giving better MPG numbers, they have bumper steps, they have the upgradeable tailgate, and the new interiors are very nice.
I am a Chevy guy but I have a current gen Silverado for my work truck and it is absolutely the worst thing I have ever driven. Rides like shit, no storage inside, transmission went out at 80k even with all fluid changes on time
This is probably the dozenth video I've watch of reasons not to buy, and you're one of the only people I've heard mention that subscription to the navigation. Because you're right every dollars adds up... kinda waxk they did it like that.. spending 60k+ on a truck and they want me to pay them for a subscription ontop of car payments, insurance, and maintenance??? 🤯🙄
I was pumped about this new Tundra. I even put a deposit down on one in September. Thanks to reviews like yours I now realize that I would be getting a worse truck than my current 2017 Nissan Titan. Canceling my order on the Tundra and getting my deposit back. Thanks for posting honest reviews and not sucking up to Toyota so you can get free stuff like some other TH-camrs!
"Can't get into the bed" doesn't seem like a valid complaint...unless you are 3'feet tall. The turning radius does appear to be a significant problem. It is a basic drivability issue that people will encounter on a regular basis, if not every day. I agree with the comments about the rear bumper and how the body is almost integrated into it. Trucks should be capable of some abuse without damage and bump into things or getting rear ended (low speed) should not cause body damage. The bumpers should be a form of armor. A subscription for navigation? Bullshit! I wouldn't pay for it.
Great review, well thought out and to the point. I had planned to move to this vehicle but for all the reasons you pointed out plus additional ones that you didn’t highlight this Tundra is a no go for me. It’s a shame that Toyota actually made a less capable and much more expensive truck for 2022.
Says he only likes the SR5 then calls it a 65k$ truck, blames the truck for him having a little city garage, compared the double cab backseat to a old crew cab back seat. Literally just trying to find things to complain about
5:43 "IMO a 60-70k$ half ton should be able to fit into your garage" the SR5 starts around 45k and with a bunch of options and the TSS pack it's about 52k. Then you show the double cab and how you can barely "fit a 2x4" the the backseat legroom then go on in the next scene to show how much room your crew cab has with your seat also set the same way.
Well, I left tow hooks out of this one, because I feel like I covered it in a video a week or so ago. But man, there all just such practical misses to me.
@@AmJaxineer ... not after 12 months, the remote start on the FOB will be part of the $8 a month subscription. An auto engineer confirmed that they can disable the remote start from the FOB and they are planning to. Horrible.
Think of the cost of labor to replace a turbo outside of warranty. Remember this has 2 and the cab has to be removed to do it. Turbos rarely go out in pairs. This Tundra was designed to be a throw a way truck from the get go.
Listen people don’t waste your money buying a new Tundra. Psss 🤫 hey buddy thank you for discouraging people on buying the hard to get new Tundra. Now I can increase my chances to buy mine. 🤠
Just drove the 2022 Crewmax tundra yesterday and it's a way better driving, handling truck than previous generation. Much quieter in cab experience. Panoramic roof, with rear window down is awesome! Fit and finish much nicer and on par with big three if not better. I've had a number of the 5.7 liter pigs, with 6 speed trans. They were cool when truck was new, but are way behind the curve compared to big three. My 2021 Tundra at low speeds in traffic never knew what gear to be in. Drove me nuts! 12 miles per gallon is unacceptable for a half ton today. Sold my 21 and ordered a 22. Can't wait after driving the new one!!!
With all do respect, which means I can say whatever I want.per the Geneva Convention... loo k it up. Sounds like you wanted a better looking minivan. Guess you found one.
Dude sounds pretty salty about it. Comparing two different trim and cab levels. The 2022’s definitely have a better ride and the interior is night and day better.
@@kedrevs4037 Mr tough guy driving his manly truck 24/7 doing construction work? You would be owning a quarter ton if that's the case. Most are treating half tons as SUVs, that's a fact.
Extremely helpful for a 6'6" man with 2 boys 6'5". Leg room is paramount for me as I am in my vehicle. 32 hours of a 40 hour work week. Last if toyota introduce a hybrid why is milage only 19/21 Super disappointed and worse. I've got to wait another 5-6 minimum for another refresh. Great video ty for being objective.
I’m 6’3”, my son is 6’6”, and fitting in the crew cab ‘22 model is just fine, no problem at all. That double cab he’s showing is worlds apart. Toyota blew it with their hybrid, they geared it for torque and power, not fuel economy. Also odd is they use nickel batteries instead of Lithium on their hybrid technology.
Man those are shoestoppers, that tundra is a real waste of money , I just bought it though and sold my 2017 Tundra and I really like the 2022 Tundra it is a great ride , the power under the hood is magnificent no comparison , and the smoothness, acceleration, maneuvering, looking and interior are at a different level
Toyota had better go back to it's OLD ways or they are going to see their worst drop in sales in their entire history. I can't believe the stupid things they have been doing lately. They used to be the best. I am extremely disappointed with the all of the changes. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Or you will RUIN everything.
This is a great review. Most people are just hyping it up. Sure it’s nice to have more power and a better ride, but the list of things that are worse is much longer than the list of things that are better. 👍🏻
Thank you. It. seems to me that the "professional journalisitic" reviewers have a relationship with manufacturers that prevents them from stating the obvious and being true critics. A large online reviewer saw it happen to them a few years ago with a manufacturer. Truly critiqued a new vehicle and they got uninvited to media events for said manufacturer. Hurts their business.
@@kedrevs4037 I know that happened to TFL with Subaru. It probably hurt Subaru more than it did TFL though. So far, I think you and Tim from Pickup Truck Talk have done the most honest reviews. I was dead set on buying a 2022 until I saw what they had created. All I really wanted was a little better mpg. There’s no way I’m paying a premium for slightly better mpg and a long list of things that are worse. Utterly disappointed in Toyota.
You guys are all completely right if they say anything wrong or anything derogatory it hurts their relationship with the car manufactures and they will not get cars to test. It is up to us to spread the truth and not let hard-working people spend their money on vehicles that are not as good as the old ones. I myself decided to buy my leased vehicle instead of purchasing the next generation tundra after I saw how bad it was.
being price conscious, I priced out my 2021 tundra double cab SR5 NON TRD was 43.5K and an identical 2022 tundra double cab SR5 NON TRD is over 48K. So, price went up nearly 5K msrp, that is NUTS. NO WAY a normal person can afford a near 50K vehicle and here I thought 43K was bad enough thought I never would see in my life spending over 40K for any vehicle.
Toyota is so behind the competition, the quality built & technology is thing of the past and they are not listing to their loyal customers. Waited full year for the new tundra to come out and I'm very disappointed. My biggest problem with this truck is the lack of on board power, only giving us 400 watt, unlike the competition 2.4kw or 7.2kw option. Minor annoying things are no front tow hooks and no storage under the back seats. Great point on the no place to step on the back bumper.
Going from a 2003 Toyota Tundra SR5 extra cab, which has been and still is a great truck, to test driving a 1794 new gen I was blown away at the size of it inside and out. I was impressed with the turning radius, the overall ride was great even though it was a quick trip. The brakes were much improved, I thought the back seat area was huge. I could see however if your driving a 2017 -2021 Tundra you wouldn't be as impressed as I was. Been driving Toyota trucks since 1985.
Wait the bed is more shallow in the new tundra? If so it’s a HARD pass for me. That’s a solid 2 inches more shallow. What has Toyota done with this new tundra?
yes. there are videos and articles on such exact subject from other youtubers and article writers. Late into 2022 we are as I write this comment, the mechanical reliability issues are beginning to come out, more and more, as owners of the new 2022 with v6 double turbo are finding out after a year of ownership. Yet also currently, many “journalists” are “excusing it” as a problem specific to the “first year” of the new generation. Welp. ok. We shall see then, what will happen with the 2023’s and ‘24’s. It will be interesting to see.
At this point, Toyota feels as if the bare minimum is just enough; anything over that is considered as premium. And you end up paying a premium price for the basics. *The competitors should use this to their advantage.
Reason number 6 - the truck gets maybe 17-18 mpg. My second gen tundra got 14-15. Fifteen years later and that’s the best Toyota could come up with? Terrible. Hoping the hybrid does better but early reports are it won’t.
I have a theory that the TTV6 was Plan B. Plan A might have been an Otto/Atkins cycle motor and you can see rumors of this engine for the Tundra all the way back in 2015. Assuming this engine failed truck durability testing, the TTV6 was the only other option.
Yeah, I’m not impressed with this “game changer” as Toyota said it would be. One of the things I love about my 2021 Tundra is the big seats and low console. It’s actually a bragging point for us, the most room of any full size truck as well as the beast of a rearend with the 4.30 gear ratio. I don’t like all the tech (but no CD player!) or the single engine selection. Toyota should have kept the 5.7 in the lineup and given the consumers the option. What they have done is take a tough, powerful and comfortable pickup and replaced it with a commuter for the people who don’t really need a pickup. BTW, I own a 2020 4Runner with the navigation system. That also requires the yearly subscription after the second year and both my trucks require a $80 a year fee for the emergency service. Like you, I travel a great deal so I like having it and don’t mind paying for it... but, soon they plan to charge for access to the key fob features! That’s just greed! I’ll be driving my 5.7 Crew Max until the wheels fall off or gasoline hits $5 a gallon! Merry Christmas!
@@kedrevs4037 I do travel a great deal and was in the south west back in May. I was surprised how high gas prices were in Arizona compared to the tax, tax, tax north East.
@@tiggerwoods100 I didn’t say they would charge for access to the vehicle. I wish I was wrong but Toyota and other manufacturers are looking at charging a monthly fee for the use of remote starters (this is on the key fob). Some car companies are also considering charging a fee for the use of heated and ventilated seats. But Toyota is on record saying the remote starters will only be accessible for a limited amount of time after purchase then will require a monthly fee. I think it’s 3 years but I don’t remember. Irregardless, it’s a rip off!
@@gone6727 Yeah when I was in Wyoming in September it was already well over $4 in many areas. A little spoiled on fuel prices in the SE. My wife was filling up next to a holiday traveller from CA who called her family from the gas station and said, "You won't believe gas prices in Georgia, It's not even $3.00 right now."
Not sure if you know this already. The SR base trim gets a derated version of the 3.4TT. Only makes 348HP and 405 Torque with less towing capacity. I have a feeling Toyota put significantly less HP than even the 5.7 because they aren’t as confident in the 3.4TT being stout enough for an actual work truck application towing and hauling daily.
I doubt that's the reason, Its more of an upsell tactic to get people to buy the higher trims especially if a company is going to be purchasing multiple at a time. SR5 will be the most common trim for both personal and work.
LandCruisinPNW it has less HP but slightly more torque than the 5.7 and those trucks could do up to 10,000lbs with a 2WD Double Cab. Same configuration with the new SR powertrain can’t match the older truck. Even with the same gears as the SR5 and up tune.
I think a lot of your complaints are pretty uncommon for most people. While I personally agree they dropped the ball on the tailgate access, the other ones probably don't apply to many people. I don't know many people that actually park their truck inside their garage. They just leave it in the driveway. Things I don't like about the new Tundra. -no front tow hooks -ugly front grille -poor bed access -low confidence powertrain -the front bumper stops mid center, doesn't seem like it has any functionality. -no manual transmission -no diesel option
Looks are subjective and many things you mentioned were never offered in the first place so it's more of a wish list not downgrades from before. Like diesel or manual transmission option
@@gamatoutsikos I never said it was a downgrade. That was the other comment and I didn't write that. I said that those are things I don't like about the new tundra. You can add composite bed to the list as well, it's too flexible and had been known to hit the cab when off roading. Serious flaw.
Always the hate when something new comes out! I had the first gen tundra when i was 19 and so much hate. All around me. People are afraid of new changes on everything! Yeah i wish it was cheaper but thats it! Hate it its gonna sell good like the other tundras.
Tundras have never really sold well. They have always been niche. I just don't know hat niche this fills. It isn't the best at anything. I don't hate it, it just doesn't work for me. Would make my truck experience worse.
I also have a 2nd Gen, and I love it, but I'm not sour graping as you do, because admittedly, the 2022 is cool. Btw, my 2nd gen is way cooler than yours
Any longer truck is going to have turning and parking difficulties. As for the Infotainment subscription for Navigation, that’s just how it is same with Sirius XM subscription. You either pay for an additional subscription for your vehicles or use you Apple Play apps for navigating and music apps
I have a 2014 SR5 with " Mud tires" lift "performance Exhaust" you name it. I bought it for the long haul I just can't see getting rid of it it's such a good truck. And no tow hooks are you kidding me.
@@donwarner6925 I don't hate this vehicle, just don't think it measures up to the previous gen and highlighted several reasons why. The vast majority of disagreement has come in the form of name calling or accusation. All we ever hear from reviews is more HP, Torque, MPGs, Locker. I'm just telling it as to why those things pale in comparison to what was given up.
@@kedrevs4037 So would you say Toyota is catering to a different customer base? The average truck buyer doesn’t even need half to truck capabilities. Hence Ford Maverick. All manufactures are cashing in on new buyers that quite frankly, never use a trucks true abilities.
Thanks for the review, talked me OUT of buying this truck! The back seats have ZERO room, that's horrible. I have a 4Runner and will get another one instead. Interesting how so many Toyota's are w / cloth seats and not leather. Always ironic how "upgrades" are not better than previous model. Thank you for this update and info.
@@donwarner6925 The crewmax has smaller dimensions too. It went from being the roomiest to the smallest interior of full size halftons by a fair amount.
@@kedrevs4037 Yeah I know. Carseats barely fit. And forget about trying to fit adults in a crewmax. I can’t even bother with you anymore. Have you even driven the new generation Tundra? I wonder why you aren’t answering that question.
It’s wrong time to buy any new car. Everything is over priced and some used cars are even a double price. Example; Ford F-150 2014 200k miles for $22 000😳 I bought my F150 2012 6 years ago with 94,000 miles for $20k, Now, same situation they want for identical mileage $40k and more. Crazy!
the turning radius is a major concern for me. most new buyers wont notice it until after the paperwork is signed. The new engine worries me also, never been a big fan of turbos. when they go , its expensive! but i understand the need for motor evolution to meet new restrictions. I'm gonna stick with my 2010 for a while and see how things shake out with this new design, but i must say I'm not thrilled with this new Tundra at all! the milage per gallon is the only upside i see.
Toyota wants you to spend a whopping $400 to get the bed step add on. For some reason the price went up $125 from the step for the previous generation for what looks to be the exact same step.
I was honestly hoping it would be a huge success so I could pick up and pre 21 model on the cheap but reviews arent showing me a whole lot of wows from people.
Sounds like all your issues are with your belongings not being accommodated which is only your opinion based on your needs. This should be called “The poor man’s review of the 22 tundra”
I wish the people who buy the new model all the best of luck. For me I choose a 2021. I’m not opposed to the new technology of future vehicles, hybrid and full EV etc. however I want to see it more practical and more affordable, especially for the full EV before I buy it. My thoughts were: basically the only bad things about going with a 21 was; poor gas mileage, and outdated interior/tech. -Now I don’t drive far regularly, so the poor mpg didn’t bother me. -the “outdated” interior/tech. Well, half the stuff people label “outdated” really is more than enough. We tend to take this stuff so overboard and it ultimately brings the cost of vehicles up overtime. More this, more that etc. I was more than satisfied with the “outdated” version. The best thing about the 5.7L is it’s proven to get pretty dang good reliability and that is still huge in my opinion. To me right now it was too much a risk, to try some brand new hybrid that they probably rushed to make to satisfy the ever growing competition in the world of greener vehicles, so the odds are they might have problems with them. Best to wait 10 years till have more experience building reliable hybrid/ or EV trucks that will be reliable and last. We’ll see. Maybe this Tundra is it; but I doubt it will have the rep the current model does; it’s probably gonna have it’s issues and take years to perfect. But I could be wrong. And the worst that happens is I buy more gas in that process. That’s my take.
Well explained. I agree the older Tundras have been reliable, but don't forget to mention the whole new chassis and rear suspension design of the 22 tundra. That is what is making me want it most. I drive the 2nd Gen and the ride quality is pretty bad. Would love to get rid of the leaf springs in the back.
This "pay for a vehicle but then pay extra to use it's features" is total horse shit. Consumers need to red light and stop this now before they start charging you to use air conditioning in your car despite it coming with the hardware.
My 2011 LTD double cab has been a rock solid truck for me. Soon after I got my truck, I recognized that I need a step to get into the box. Even the bumper was a stretch for me. I installed the ARE bed step and love the ease of use and functionality of the step. The new tundra comes with this bed step on the higher trim levels and is offered as an option on the lower trims. It is an easy 3 bolt installation that takes 10 min to install. No big deal. If you are young and can jump into the bed unassisted, congratulations on youth! If you are an old guy like me, just install the “old man” bedstep and be happy! I’m not sure why so many people would rather complain about the lack of a step when there is an easy, offered solution. I guess it is easier to complain about it rather than just doing something about it.
I would have been happy with the 5.7 V8. Don’t like being forced to a single 3.4L TTV6 with no track record of reliable performance in a truck application.
3.5L, and I believe the Lexus LS 500 has been using a twin turbo V6 and has had no issues with its engine other than a fuel delivery recall that was fixed. But I agree, I would be a bit more concerned just to see how it holds up during its life being used as a tow vehicle. I guess you wouldnt purchase a F150 Powerboost either?
@@kedrevs4037 If they did that and did nothing about it, than yeah, sure. The problem has LONG since been corrected and is irrelevant to engine reliability. And Toyota is known for quality. So we are just the first to see how it holds up over the next few years in the tow application. But I agree, they should have made the V-8 available as well during this trial time until the V-6 reliability is confirmed and can retire the V-8 then.
Chris Martone I wouldn’t want a power boost F-150 either. Would prefer to to upgrade to a 3/4ton or higher truck with the same power, better cooling and higher towing performance. Also, the Tundra engine is a 3.44L, Toyota is selling it as 3.5 which is a bit misleading.
@@callofdutyguy9 Thanks for the info. I dont want a 3/4 truck because whatever I get has to be a daily commuter vehicle too for gas mileage and ride comfort....so I'm kind of stuck in the half ton market. And also I really dont want a truck much bigger than that.
Wider and longer and same wheel base and Yet it has less cabin room, bed space w/no built-in step ladder and wider turning radius. What were the Engineer's thinking?
There are other options. Toyota will sell a ton of these regardless of these gripes. They seem to be catering to a different customer with the new generation. Toyota knows how to sell vehicles. Having sold both Toyota’s and Fords both companies cater to a different demographic in the truck segment. Have you driven the new generation Tundra yet?
I gotta say, I have to disagree with about all of this. Tundra doesn't "fit" into a standard garage, any empty garage? Sure, then both would fit. Been in the new one, crewmax with 6.5, parks great, turns great, rides great. They have steps for the rear that are easier to get in. The interior size is a bit smaller but we have had 6'+ guys loaded in with no issues. This is the most nit picky review I've ever seen, and really, not very valid points. But to each their own I guess.
Good video but you shouldn’t be blaming the truck for your garage setup. I have a big enough garage to accommodate even the 8ft bed but it would probably be parked outside anyway. I agree with you on the bed access though, really wish Toyota would have made that easier to get into, something like the Silverado would have been great.
Not blaming the truck, just documenting the lack of awareness. There are many buyers who prefer to park in the garage. This truck won't fit in a lot of them.
Yes they do, but only on the 1794 and Platinum for $1,350. Seems a little steep - $65K for 4WD half ton, plus a monthly subscription for infotainment, + $1,350 for a power bed step.
Great video and valid reasons for buying another brand of truck. I took back my Tundra deposit and cancelled my order when I saw how ugly that front grill looked and how under powered the top of the line models were. Didn't even notice the bed entry issue and that would have been a big deal for me as I am always climbing in and out of the back of the truck. It's too bad, I really wanted to like the truck.
@@III1IlIIlIllIl You must've dogged your Tundra , Anything that's not taken care of will give you problems. Maintenance is a must. I've had my 2007 Tundra and it's never stopped on me. But I maintain my Truck also.
I agree with one commenter that "waste" is an overly strong word and I would have made a different statement. However, moving along, I have a GEN 2 (1.0) Tundra. It's a 2010, 146K miles. It works, yes, it has it's own issues, e.g., fuel economy for instance etc. But the seats, after all these years are still comfortable as hell, and just the right amount of firmness. I am a huge Toyota fan in general and of the Tundra in particular. Before I even saw this video, I just have not been able to like the new 2022 Tundra. I want to, but, there are things of my own that I didn't like before hearing what the TH-camr's quirks about the truck were. I belong to a very large Tundra group in my state with over 6,000 members including a few Toyota employees. I have to give the Toyota employees credit, they abided by the NDA before the 2022 Tundra was revealed. about 100 give or take people in the group have the new Tundra. I am not impressed. I like the mechanical abilities of the new truck (HP/torque, and 4 link suspension) but the truck looks like a bastard Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150, and Nissan Titan had a ménage a trois'. With most of the appearance DNA coming from the Silverado. The nose is the ugliest gaping maw I have ever seen in a truck and the way they integrated the bumper into the nose is the stupidest design concept. The way the nose molding follows down and becomes part of the bumper is just fugly. I am just not going to be one of those people who fall in line to approve of all things Toyota. I feel the same about the recent Toyota Supra, it's a BMW Z4 and it's a crying shame Toyota was either too lazy/tight fisted with a proper R&D budget etc to develop a car with the iconic name of Supra themselves. I kinda feel betrayed by Toyota's direction as of late; The Supra as stated and now the 2022 Tundra. I just can't with these new vehicles. And now Toyota wants to charge a subscription for keyless entry/remote start, yeah that's some betrayal right there. What the hell, did Toyota hire some legacy Big 3 American car company employees who then interjected the company with their stupidity?? This is my rant. I don't hate on people who like the new truck and I hope the ones who bought them enjoy them. It won't be me.
No one commented or liked this meca of info!?! Really well said and i totally agree with you on all said points. I have 09 Limited double cab with 125k still working hard and peppy! 2022 is a over glorified tacoma haha
I don’t think the fuel economy for the 2022 tundra is anything to write home about. Considering the complexity of the TTV6 against the V8, I would’ve expected a big difference to justify the potential down the road maintenance costs of running a twin turbo. Toyota dropping the V8 from this large truck segment is a missed opportunity IMHO as they could’ve attracted buyers from other manufacturers who are also put off by the large truck market moving away from the tried and trusted V8.
1. Be a man step on the tire 2. It's a truck back in like you're supposed to. 3 sounds like a you problem. 4. Don't be cheap get the Crewmax. All double cabs are like that. 5. Yeah I'll give you that one they are greedy. 6. looks are subjective. I got to give Toyota Credit they redesign this truck to compete with Ford and Dodge. their trucks have always been ahead of the game and technology and styling. They did a great freaking job
The turning radius is a hassle but none of this would stops me from buying. I’m more concerned about the turbo waste gate issue that’s coming up with more and more frequency. The gas mileage on the 21 and earlier models is just abysmal. I say this as someone who is averaging about 12mpg on his 1995 Land Cruiser.
I think the problem is the fact that Toyota USA was forced by Toyota to use the new Landcruiser platform. In the interview with TFL trucks the chief engineer didn't want to use a fully boxed frame for a pickup. He didn't have a choice.
Yes, square peg in the round hole problem. Toyota was so solid with the 1st gen Tundra and so innovative with the second gen, I hope they have got something else up their sleeve.
@@callofdutyguy9 It does save money for the consumer. Why would you want the expense of developing multiple platforms. You would naturally pass that expense on to the end customer. Example. Camry, Highlander, Lexus RX are on the same platform. Toyota Prado & Lexus GX470 are the same platform.
So let me get this straight; you’re reasoning for the new Tundra being a “waste of money” are all gripes that relate to your personal preferences/life? Because your generator is snug? Because you’re afraid of ripping your clothes on a garage door? Because you evidently can’t sit on the bed and slide yourself into the bed? This is quite possibly one of the worst “arguments” I’ve ever heard. Oh, and the Crewmax has plenty of room. Have had two grown men 6’3 and 6’5 sit in there and had plenty of room. I’m 6’3 myself, and that was with me driving. This whole video is a load of crock and a lot of nitpicking.
It’s pretty evident they’re going backwards, he’s very right about the length and turning radius part. Most people only buy a half ton because they’re more maneuverable, making it larger defeats the purpose of the truck class. Every truck on the market has had integrated bed steps for the last decade. It just shows a regression in build quality and an overall lack of understanding for the market of this truck.
Looking at it from my point of view, owning a 2010 Silverado 1500 ext cab 6.5 bed for 11 years, this truck is a dream compared to mine. The frame and suspension change looks like it rides super smooth, never had a crew cab so I’m excited for that, color options look nice and getting more mpg for more horsepower and torque is also a super bonus. Not used to underseat storage either but having to keep tool bags in the truck and other emergency equipment on the seat can be a pain so that’s a plus. I’m limber enough so the bed step missing isn’t an issue, talking about a difference of only a couple inches anyway. All in all, this may be good for those of us who are just now getting into the Toyota truck lifestyle whereas current tundra owners see the changes negatively. I could agree the cab would be more comfortable in the older body style than the new due to size differences but it sure beats my truck 😂
This boggles everyone's mind. I don't think they could do it with the foot of dead space in the front of this thing that they likely needed to get better offset crash ratings.
Agreed, but pickens are slim on new ones right now. I’ve been in plenty of double cabs, never been shocked by the smaller size. This one is shockingly smaller. It’s essentially a two seat truck, Don’t know why they even bother with the rear seat.
Most Americans don’t use their garage for their vehicles. This truck may not fit your specific dimensions and intended use but saying it’s a waste of money may not be true as it may be perfect for someone else’s wants and needs.
That turning radius on the current was incredible when it comes to parking i between other vehicles. Thats the first thing I noticed when I got mine back in 2010. They do need to keep that feature. For climbing into the bed the drop down bumper step like ram and Nissan is far better than standing on the bumper because its lower to the ground.
@@kedrevs4037 No sir you are incorrect again, the bumper step is available on on all trims. On the Platinum and higher, it comes standard. I just spec'd out an SR, the base model and you can purchase both the powered and unpowered step versions.
@@AmJaxineer I appreciate your perspective but you need to check the spec sheet and try to build one. The power bed step is only an option 1794 and platinum. If you have other evidence please share it.
@@kedrevs4037 BED STEP, not the power running boards below the cab, the rear BED step available on ALL trims. The PRB's are only available on the Plat, 1794....and maybe the new Capstone, not sure bout that last one. Like you said, go spec one out you can get the BED STEP on any model.
I still cannot believe it has no tow hooks in the front...I went from a 09 Sequoia to a 21 F150 3.5EB crew cab with a 6.5' box I think the short box is dumb. The biggest thing I miss is the turning radius, driving the Ford makes me feel like I am back in the 90s with a truck that cannot make a u turn in a football field...now I know why all these trucks park the way they do in parking lots...overall I think the Ford is okay, would never buy a GM or Ram so there is not much choice left...I still hope Toyota keeps up the build quality but only place is down when you are on top...and the fact the Land Cruiser is gone in the USA is sad.
Wow that 2-3 inches of the height of the step-up on the bumper compared to just stepping up to the tailgate is a real dealbreaker lol
It reminds me of an over designed pair of jeans with rips, tears, dyes and a high water fit.
Maybe the best analogy yet. You can wear them to the mall, but not too good for wearing out fishing, hiking, etc. Love it.
It sounds a lot of nitpicking to me than actual issues.
I'll be coming from a 2017 Ram 1500 Sport when I plan on purchasing the new Tundra. To me, it's literally the same old issues but with more reliable parts. All my vehicles do is park outside due to living in an apartment. do the Garage isn't an issue and my current Ram 1500 crew cab with a short box doesn't fit in a garage. Most trucks don't fit in a garage unless it's a newer home. The turn radius is about the same as a Ram 1500, and the access to the bed is the same. if you want better access, you're better off buying a Chevy, Ram, or a Ford. Ford with its step built into the top of the tail gate, Chevy with its double tailgate thing, and Ram with the swinging open tailgate. As for the tighter interior, it's about the same as a Ram 1500.
Man don’t get rid of your passion Ram!!
@@Saveyourbs
Why shouldn't I?
I already ordered a Ford.
@@thegreatempire3882 you decided to not get the tundra?
@@Saveyourbs
Yes because the Lariat allows me to have everything I want without a panoramic moonroof. With being 6'6" tall, I'm not looking down to see out of the windshield.
And the B&O unleashed kind of sold me on the Ford. I really like my music 😅
It also wasn't a easy decision either. I really like the new Tundra as well.
It also boiled down to cost of ownership. The Tundra is over all more expensive to insure, and replace wear and year items on than the Ford. The tires are about $100 more per tire, insurance is almost $200 cheaper than the Tundra on a 6 month premium. The Ford also gets better mpg since I opted for the 2.7L instead if the 3.5 or 5.0. that engine is deceptively quick little thing.
With Ford being about $5,000 more than the tundra I was looking at, it will be about 3 years of savings before I make my money back. Then the F150 will be cheaper to own after that mark.
Also I don't have to pay a monthly fee to use my remote start. Even to use the phone app is free for the lifetime of ownership of the truck.
@@thegreatempire3882 wow man that’s all great and valuable information. I’m looking into getting a RAM but now I will be checking out the Ford Lariat as well. My coworkers who drive Ford’s swear by them. But then again whatever truck they drive, they feel like it’s the best truck ever lol so there’s never really an unbiased answer from them. Anyways man enjoy your new truck and thanks for the info.
I don't think that the new Tundra is a "waste of money", it's just a changed truck.
Each new iteration brings changes that some people will like, and others will not.
Your truck still looks to be in great shape, so enjoy it and cross-shop some other trucks that will fit your specific needs.
This Tundra will be my next truck, good luck with your search.
You as well.
He really said you’re allowed to be wrong smh.
I do agree with you on some of the stuff that you pointed out but some of the reasons are not big enough to not buy the truck. Like you’re using the SR5 model as an example not even a crew max! Just because you can’t do stuff that you normally do on your 18 doesn’t mean that it will bother other people.
I just want you to prove me wrong and redo the video and for that you would have to own one or spend enough time with it to really compare them.
Also you’re pointing out stuff that you don’t like. I just don’t see the point of you comparing the leg room with a crewmax vs a double cab.
Thank you. My sentiments exactly, the point that this engine is more fuel efficient is a big deal to me, and the power it has. Money wise everything is going up so no surprise there,
It’s so crazy that you have people change there mind about buying, just buy looking at a TH-cam video that nitpicks on small things, Lots of followers.
@@PB-nu1pv No you are wrong sir, trying to be more knowledgeable before you post.
Exactly. How the hell do you compare two different cab sizes and say one doesn’t have enough leg room? This guy is just nitpicking at this point. He gotta park damn near on the wall of his garage to for his truck to fit in comfortably. Is that Toyotas fault his garage is too little for it? For me to take him serious he’s going to have to buy one.
@@PB-nu1pv gotta agree man. I gave up on finding videos to research from because most of the reviewers are the same way imo. Just say you don’t like it and move on. He could have at least been driving a 2022 and maybe I would take him seriously.
@@wiseg.s5872 wow a couple of mpgs better and 7 more hp more. Lol still slower than the V8. If I were to purchase a V6 truck it'll be the Ford ecoboost.
Thanks for pointing out the bumper issue. I've highlighted that as well. What a colossal mistake for the design team at Calty.
Love your channel. Please keep up the great work. I am obviously no journalist and do this stuff to entertain myself, but man you have the best info.
@@kedrevs4037 thanks. I thought your video was quite good.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Haha, no but thank you.
The bumper issue was the only legit point in this video. Miss me at comparing a DC to a CM because that's the only they had. In any truck those two types of cabs are drastically different in the backseat. Miss me at the "but I can't walk around the truck with the garage door closed." No one will stick with their old truck for that reason. You sound like a guy rationalizing why you won't buy the new truck and stick with your 2018. Agree with you in keeping your 18 and not having enough value in the new ones to make it compelling, but how you came off in your video was not good.
@@johannschnell64 Of course that is a huge convenience issue if he can't walk around the truck. I have a 2008 Ford Ranger supercab. I park in a condo, I can still walk around it even with the tail gate down, and still have room to park my motorcycle next to my truck. And I can park in one go, no going "forward and back" a few times just to fit. One guy has a big Ram 2500 and he has to fold his mirror in every time he parks so he doesn't hit it on the building pillar. It's definitely a make or break for some people.
I'd argue that "waste" is a strong word. I also agree that your complaints are highlighting real differences in the new version. It definitely seems to be moving away from being a particularly work-friendly truck. As someone coming from a Tacoma who uses his truck more for off-roading/forest service use and less for work (ie virtually no towing) the Tundra makes some sense (Though no tow hooks is BS). It basically feels like a bigger Taco. I live in a rural area where the parking issues and garage issues are more or less irrelevant. The cabin size is a legit thing to point out though not something I'd care about coming from a Taco. Fuel efficiency seems dramatically better (even better than my '09 taco). The infotainment/navigation/remote start subscription is absolute total BS but looks to apply to all new Toyotas (not so much a Tundra issue and apparently Toyota is "reevaluating" this). Your thoughts are helpful considerations and depending on the needs of one's truck.
It is a waste of money if you can get something more capable for the same or less money, and as it turns out you can.
@@kedrevs4037 What do you think the percentage of actual used tow hooks is in the United States? What isn’t a waste of money? And don’t tell me the last generation Tundra.
@@donwarner6925 I think it is low, but I have never used my ABS system. Seems like I’d still want it when the situation arises. Never “needed” my fog lamps but still prefer them.
@@kedrevs4037 Are you a politician? You seem to be very good at not answering questions
The reason for no tow hooks is because of aerodynamics on the truck or they say they could cause damage in an accident
Considering that Toyota had only 20 years to come up with this new model,it's hard to believe that this is the best they could do.
It's almost like they waited until the last minute and then rushed to put something together. I'll take the old Tundra any time.
Toyota is definitely going down hill. There are some big mistakes being made by their big wigs with the fancy MBA's. They dont really listen tot he consumer. They just do whatever their egos tell them to.
I've been in the new crew cab a dozen times and it's amazing. Parking is no issue and it's the 6.5' bed crewmax. Has steps under both sides of rear bumper actually making it easier to get in. Rides great and looks awesome. Just wish it sounded like the 5.7
Parking is horrible in the 22" one of the main reasons I got a 2020 Pro instead. That and the smaller interior
Step on the tire to climb in, like I've been doing all of my life.
That’s a great idea
Or do a little more stretching and step/jump up on the tailgate. Don't think I ever used the bumper in all the years I had a lifted Taco. And I'm only 5'7"
I swear they don't make trucks to be work trucks anymore. They're just status symbols now.
I don’t like the rear bumper either but for a different reason - the fact that the bedsides are basically integrated into it. One thing I love about most trucks is that you can get rear ended and all you have to do is unbolt the old bumper and bolt on a new one. Not so much with this one. That was the main thing that deterred me from it. Coming from a 2008 Tacoma, I’m sure the 22 Tundra would be a huge upgrade to me otherwise, but I still think the outgoing model is better personally. Just going to go with 2nd gen Tundra for my next truck.
I waited and did my research finally decided in June I’m ordering a 2021 before it’s to late. Picked up a Platinum in Windchill Pearl in late August, it arrived at my dealer. I’m super happy with my truck and have no regrets on my choice of getting some of the last built 2021’s. I feel all problems have been worked and refined out of this gen and was probably the best made truck at this point.
I agree completely
I agree. I had a 2010, 2016 (which I LOVED), 2017, 2018, and now my 2021 SR5...when I saw the last one, I knew I better grab it and keep it forever, because they aren't coming back again built like those. I think you'd miss your '21 if you got rid of it.
You love everything but the gas mileage right?
@@Saveyourbs Gas mileage would be my one and ONLY complaint...but for all the rest that goes with the Tundra, I'll accept it... 🙂
@@gggallon your response is making me seriously consider getting a tundra. I have many coworkers who love their tundras. Can’t lie though I’m leaning towards the 2022.
Biggest reason for me is that the new tundra is more like a luxury car with a box. Coil spring rear? Moulded in bumpers front and rear? So much plastic?One look at it and you can tell it is designed for city slickers at malls and drive thru’s. Then again that is true of all new half tons.
Not as true with other trucks as it is of this one. Toyota went all-in on sedan.
You can still get a 3.73, or 3.92 rear in Ford and Ram. You can still get a muscular V8 with GM. Nissan still builds a great powertrain with a powerful V8. All others still offer tow hooks, and superior ways into the bed.
@@kedrevs4037 agreed in that others are definitely better.
However, my personal opinion is that coil springs don’t belong in a truck (so Ram is out), not to mention Ram’s payload is usually on the lower side, but still somewhat acceptable I guess.
Ford and Chevy are a little better for that, but again, generally speaking new trucks are becoming more car like and you can definitely feel it in every aspect - from the body to the electronics. I believe Fords are most truck like, but I drove the 2021 with a 3.5 and it was amazing how different it drove even from my 2018 5.0. The steering felt artificially light and it almost felt like I was driving something halfway between a gas and an electric vehicle. HD’s are starting to ride smoother which is a good thing.
Unfortunately the Titan is no longer in Canada - I do like that truck though.
City slicker 2020 trd pro tundra owner here. I’m offended. I love off roading at the mall and Wendy’s drive through
@@GeorgeZimmermen 2020’s are much less of a poser truck - that being said, you do you man. Happy holidays 👍🏾
The garage complaint is pretty silly. I have had a vehicle so long that when I park it I just have to open the garage door to walk behind the vehicle. In practice it’s going to be open whenever you need to get to the vehicle driver seat anyway.
I say not silly for those getting robbed of hard earned money from Toyota.
Is it my imagination, or is the length from the front bumper to base of windshield much longer on the 2022, which would most likely be the reason the rear seat length on the doublecab was sacrificed? Also, possibly the windshield has more rake?
Not your imagination and there is a foot of dead space in there. It was likely included to increase crash test score, but makes it near impossible to add functional tow hooks.
I have never had a garage as short as that in any house I have owned.
Yup average is 22 feet not 19 to 21 ft. I think this guy is just spewing hate for anything about the new gen.
The back seat in the new tundra crew max is small and the back rest is very upright compared to the last generation. Thanks for bringing up the other issues that has really opened my eyes. Im currently looking for a 2021 tundra. Thanks for a awesome reveiw!
I knew the 2022 was coming out…….I bought my 2021 last July. Absolutely no regrets! I love it!!
Thanks for the great video. I now own a 2019 Toyota Tundra Limited Crew Max and love it.
1) I am no longer in the market for a 2022 Tundra due to Toyota's alienation of the Loyal Toyota Tundra Customer Base.
2) If you buy a 1/2 ton Pick up, you are not concerned with a 1/2 MPG verses tow hooks. Its a TRUCK! You need the Tow Hooks.! I use mine often.
3) This crazy deal of taking the remote start from the owner after three years. This ticks the owner off!
4) Add the $10 to the price of the truck and pass it on the ME the buyer.
Toyota needs to go back to the "Total quality program" for design and building of the truck.
The feedback that Toyota received from the customers from the Late 1980-1995 MADE Toyota's quality reputation. When they went away from this program in 1996-2000, the engineers took away the insulation in the 1996 Camry to save a few $ and cheapened the paint and changed the fuel pumps, all to save a few $,
This made the 1996 Camry the worst Camry in 10 years. It was very noisy, the paint pealed off and the fuel pumps failed and would leave you on the side of the road.
Toyota needs to go back to this "Total Quality Program" program and use the feedback from the Loyal customers that have owned and still own Toyota vehicles.
As a Loyal Toyota owner, I am now looking at the GMC AT4X.
A Good friend of mine just bought a GMC AT4X and I LOVE it.
His GMC AT4X gets 23 MPG/Highway with a V8!!!
The best I have seen with the new 2022 Tundra is 19.1MPG/Highway..
My 2019 Tundra gets 18.1 MPG/Highway with the 5.7 V8.
In my opinion, Toyota needs a major 2023 Refresh and an apology for the "3 year limit remote start" stupidity before they totally alienate their loyal customer base.
On side note!
I have a family member that owns a Prius Prime.
The 2017 Prius Prime with Toyota Connect is no longer supported.
Not ANY Toyota Connect feature is supported Now!
You can't even buy the connect feature now.
So you are without remote Start or any Remote Connect features.
Toyota will not give any reason or fix for this discontinuation of service.
Toyota is going in the WRONG direction!!!
Thanks again for the great videos,
Nelson
you are confused about GMC AT4X, its not available before spring 2022, you can not even build it on website
Thank you for the comprehensive reply.
The biggest problem is no more 8 cylinder motor and bigger price tag. Makes no sense and I would never consider the new tundra
Whoever would say, "Finally got me a full size pick-up with the V6 that I always wanted." It is just silly.
@@kedrevs4037 THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT
Agree
Toyota lost me with the Auto Stop/Start. I'm just not willing to live with that nonsense.
I blame our government more than Toyota for this one. Forcing unrealistic mpg expectations on manufacturers rather than letting market forces (increased fuel prices) is a recipe for inferior design.
@@kedrevs4037 I blame Toyota. They could incorporate "Keep it turned off" functionality into the Auto Stop/Start, similar to the button on some vehicles that allows the driver to disable all of the window buttons. One and done. It's that type of "We didn't listen to or care about what real customers want" approach to this Tundra that turns me off. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@@Vox-Populi not wrong in my book. I didn’t know that they didn’t offer a kill switch for the start/stop. I have to look into that one.
@@kedrevs4037 it's my understanding that it has to be turned off every time the vehicle is started. Having said that, I haven't actually seen one in person.
@@Vox-Populi isn’t that how it is on every vehicle that has this? I had a 2020 raptor and you had to turn it off every time you shut the truck off. I had to take it somewhere to get it permanently disabled.
This review is for those who own 2nd generation tundra and struggling with making decision for upgrade. Those minor (few inches) differences in size and accessibility doesn’t matter to me seeing the brighter side of it.I am getting one !
I think that KEdRevs is right on with many of these issues with the new Tundra. I thought about the exterior dimensions when I heard the 2022 was coming out, so I traded an older Tundra and got a 2021 that fits in my garage. The single best thing that you can do for a vehicle is garage it and not have it exposed to the weather. A 2022 in certain configurations would not fit into my garage. This was an important point to me.
The tow hooks is also a nice feature. I understand the excuses Toyota has used on why they are not there. The bottom line is that it was a bonehead move to not include them on the 2022 model. The same applies to not having a step on the rear bumper area to access the bed. Total oversight by Toyota. I am a Toyota Fanboy but these issues that KEdRevs points out are why most of us with 2021 and older models are keeping them.
@@bobby3944 I agree with your most of the points.. but I think for a step at rear bumper is not much of difference… there could be just about 1.5 to 2inch difference directly stepping on it
That's what she said
I’m 6’4” 230. I recently traded in my 2014 limited crewmax for a 2022 Platinum. Bought it new and got 250k miles out of it. I still own my 2007 5.7L double cab that I bought new.I can see how these issues could sway people against the truck. But I heard all the same sorts of criticisms when I bought my 07, and again when I bought the 14. For me, the truck is an improvement in every way. Mechanically and technology wise. But it really all boils down to personal preference.
I just bought the 2022 love the 2020 I had, for me you just can’t go wrong with what the 2022 has
The subscription is for enhanced features on the infotainment screen, like enhanced nav, traffic, access to remote start from an app on your phone etc. This is the same for the ‘21 trd pro I had. You won’t need a subscription to use those features. I went back to Ford anyways. Toyota offers people what they want like 10 years too late. My “fully loaded” pro had like three options for a $63k price tag.
Absolutely agree that there were some missteps with this new version but if the hybrid is getting near 40mpg and has the 6.5’ bed option I’ll stow my grievances.
40MPGs?
Hybrid won't get anywhere near 40mpg
No where near 40mpg man. Best prob 22 hwy.
@@andyvaldez212 Agree, I'll be surprised if it is actually that good. Essentially the same powertrain as Powerboost with an extra 1000 lbs.
The hybrid will be lucky to get 24 mpg.
In case no one has seen - the currency is being wiped out.
One thing that was so disappointing to me in the SR5, they do provide you with USBs in the backseat. In order for you to get it, you have to go to limited. The one I saw was a fully loaded SR5 and it had a MSRP of $56k.
Crazy amount of money for that truck. Can get an AT4 minus the X for that price.
Same here plus they mark them up another 5gs when the good ol days coming back when you can get a bargain below msrp.
USB’s are available in the backseat for the SR5, they come with the advanced technology package which includes the 14” screen.
@@smrtguy77777 school em
Ya. The amount of plugs on my SR5 is ridiculously low... like the fuck? My 2014 tacoma single cab had more options, and now I've potentially got 5 people, all with phones, and no options to charge them.
For a simple construction worker like me either the Sr or sr5 would suffice.
Parking: in the street.
Infotainment subscription?! : I already pay my phone bill and Bluetooth is all I need.
Turning ratio: I had worse
Cabin size: currently driving a 2000 dodge Dakota king cab and plenty of chunky passengers.
Bed accessibility: I'm almost 60 and can't afford to stop working 🙃
The life of a simple construction worker is truly a blessing nothing really worth worrying about small stuff.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the details. Personally, I find it laughable that Toyota is trying to build a truck capable of big towing power (attempting to compete with our big three), but they neglected to make it functional/useable as a proper work truck. The shallow bed and missing rear bumper steps are two HUGE red flags. These may seem like small details, and some folks called it nitpicking, but they are items we have taken for granted because most every truck has always had a bumper step. If I got my new Tundra home and made that realization after spending $65k, I would be pissed. And yes, they offer those drop steps, but they are a $600 option. Unlike the OP, I really like the look of the truck, but that's not enough. The Silverado is giving better MPG numbers, they have bumper steps, they have the upgradeable tailgate, and the new interiors are very nice.
The Silverado is a peice
Chevy-gmc gas engines are complete garbage. So many are blowing up and having issues. There is a class action lawsuit against them for it.
Chevy is terrible reliability wise.
I am a Chevy guy but I have a current gen Silverado for my work truck and it is absolutely the worst thing I have ever driven. Rides like shit, no storage inside, transmission went out at 80k even with all fluid changes on time
You forgot the detective turbo problems the 22 has. If can believe it the cab has to be removed to repair this lol !
This is probably the dozenth video I've watch of reasons not to buy, and you're one of the only people I've heard mention that subscription to the navigation. Because you're right every dollars adds up... kinda waxk they did it like that.. spending 60k+ on a truck and they want me to pay them for a subscription ontop of car payments, insurance, and maintenance??? 🤯🙄
I was pumped about this new Tundra. I even put a deposit down on one in September. Thanks to reviews like yours I now realize that I would be getting a worse truck than my current 2017 Nissan Titan. Canceling my order on the Tundra and getting my deposit back. Thanks for posting honest reviews and not sucking up to Toyota so you can get free stuff like some other TH-camrs!
Thank you. Seen plenty of reviews that I know weren't on the up-and-up.
You have to pay rent to use radio
Nothing can be worse than a nissan titan 😂
You cancel because somebody else doesn't like this truck, weird 🤔.
@@useryggfdcc Yes that's the exact reason why🙄
"Can't get into the bed" doesn't seem like a valid complaint...unless you are 3'feet tall.
The turning radius does appear to be a significant problem. It is a basic drivability issue that people will encounter on a regular basis, if not every day.
I agree with the comments about the rear bumper and how the body is almost integrated into it. Trucks should be capable of some abuse without damage and bump into things or getting rear ended (low speed) should not cause body damage. The bumpers should be a form of armor.
A subscription for navigation? Bullshit! I wouldn't pay for it.
Do small people, people with amputations, arthritis, etc. don't deserve a way to access their bed?
Great review, well thought out and to the point. I had planned to move to this vehicle but for all the reasons you pointed out plus additional ones that you didn’t highlight this Tundra is a no go for me. It’s a shame that Toyota actually made a less capable and much more expensive truck for 2022.
Same, I really wanted this truck to be my next truck. It is just ridiculous how much Toyota missed the mark.
Agree 100%
You can buy a bumper step
@@markgilespfaffhallmarkscion Yes you can, $399 for a mechanical step.
The turning radius is the biggest problem I see. I wouldn't buy this truck and I usually buy only Toyota.
Says he only likes the SR5 then calls it a 65k$ truck, blames the truck for him having a little city garage, compared the double cab backseat to a old crew cab back seat. Literally just trying to find things to complain about
Everything you've written is either muddled interpretation or blatant lie
5:43 "IMO a 60-70k$ half ton should be able to fit into your garage" the SR5 starts around 45k and with a bunch of options and the TSS pack it's about 52k. Then you show the double cab and how you can barely "fit a 2x4" the the backseat legroom then go on in the next scene to show how much room your crew cab has with your seat also set the same way.
The 5th reason is the big one. Paying to remote start the truck. And paying a subscription so you can be tracked.
Well, I left tow hooks out of this one, because I feel like I covered it in a video a week or so ago. But man, there all just such practical misses to me.
You dont have to pay for that, you can still use the key fob.
@@AmJaxineer ... not after 12 months, the remote start on the FOB will be part of the $8 a month subscription. An auto engineer confirmed that they can disable the remote start from the FOB and they are planning to. Horrible.
I hope the new tacoma 2023 which has a similar front end design is not complicated
Calling the new Tundra a waste of money because of these reasons is really over exaggerating. Almost as bad as car reviewers that sell out.
Truck has a few well documented mechanical and technical problems with it. Best to wait a couple of years before you buy a headache.
Think of the cost of labor to replace a turbo outside of warranty. Remember this has 2 and the cab has to be removed to do it. Turbos rarely go out in pairs. This Tundra was designed to be a throw a way truck from the get go.
Typical for a Toyota
@@paulhunter9613 sam for the ecoboost
Listen people don’t waste your money buying a new Tundra.
Psss 🤫 hey buddy thank you for discouraging people on buying the hard to get new Tundra. Now I can increase my chances to buy mine. 🤠
Just drove the 2022 Crewmax tundra yesterday and it's a way better driving, handling truck than previous generation. Much quieter in cab experience. Panoramic roof, with rear window down is awesome! Fit and finish much nicer and on par with big three if not better. I've had a number of the 5.7 liter pigs, with 6 speed trans. They were cool when truck was new, but are way behind the curve compared to big three. My 2021 Tundra at low speeds in traffic never knew what gear to be in. Drove me nuts! 12 miles per gallon is unacceptable for a half ton today. Sold my 21 and ordered a 22. Can't wait after driving the new one!!!
With all do respect, which means I can say whatever I want.per the Geneva Convention... loo k it up. Sounds like you wanted a better looking minivan. Guess you found one.
Dude sounds pretty salty about it. Comparing two different trim and cab levels. The 2022’s definitely have a better ride and the interior is night and day better.
@@kedrevs4037 sounds like you're priced out the new truck and are just finding reasons to put it down to justify keeping your 18
@@kedrevs4037 Mr tough guy driving his manly truck 24/7 doing construction work? You would be owning a quarter ton if that's the case.
Most are treating half tons as SUVs, that's a fact.
The new look of the tundra looks far better than the previous model. Price tag is quite steep though
It does look better
Extremely helpful for a 6'6" man with 2 boys 6'5". Leg room is paramount for me as I am in my vehicle. 32 hours of a 40 hour work week. Last if toyota introduce a hybrid why is milage only 19/21
Super disappointed and worse. I've got to wait another 5-6 minimum for another refresh. Great video ty for being objective.
I’m 6’3”, my son is 6’6”, and fitting in the crew cab ‘22 model is just fine, no problem at all. That double cab he’s showing is worlds apart. Toyota blew it with their hybrid, they geared it for torque and power, not fuel economy. Also odd is they use nickel batteries instead of Lithium on their hybrid technology.
Man those are shoestoppers, that tundra is a real waste of money , I just bought it though and sold my 2017 Tundra and I really like the 2022 Tundra it is a great ride , the power under the hood is magnificent no comparison , and the smoothness, acceleration, maneuvering, looking and interior are at a different level
Hope it serves you well
Lol. Some of the dumbest reasons not to get the new truck.
Not if you actually need a nice truck.
Toyota had better go back to it's OLD ways or they are going to see their worst drop in sales in their entire history. I can't believe the stupid things they have been doing lately. They used to be the best. I am extremely disappointed with the all of the changes. If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. Or you will RUIN everything.
This is a great review. Most people are just hyping it up. Sure it’s nice to have more power and a better ride, but the list of things that are worse is much longer than the list of things that are better. 👍🏻
Thank you. It. seems to me that the "professional journalisitic" reviewers have a relationship with manufacturers that prevents them from stating the obvious and being true critics. A large online reviewer saw it happen to them a few years ago with a manufacturer. Truly critiqued a new vehicle and they got uninvited to media events for said manufacturer. Hurts their business.
@@kedrevs4037 I know that happened to TFL with Subaru. It probably hurt Subaru more than it did TFL though. So far, I think you and Tim from Pickup Truck Talk have done the most honest reviews. I was dead set on buying a 2022 until I saw what they had created. All I really wanted was a little better mpg. There’s no way I’m paying a premium for slightly better mpg and a long list of things that are worse. Utterly disappointed in Toyota.
@@duggydo I agree on the Subaru thing, but they got a wrist slap from Ford a while back too.
@@duggydo Ya hit the nail on the head Duggydo👍👍
You guys are all completely right if they say anything wrong or anything derogatory it hurts their relationship with the car manufactures and they will not get cars to test. It is up to us to spread the truth and not let hard-working people spend their money on vehicles that are not as good as the old ones. I myself decided to buy my leased vehicle instead of purchasing the next generation tundra after I saw how bad it was.
I could slap whoever thought putting PIANO GLOSS BLACK on the interior of a truck was a good idea.
I’m definitely keeping my 2019 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro for a very long time. So many keep points in this video. Plus no tow hooks and no V8.
For your repeated insults to others with no actual discourse of content, I suspect you are simply a troll and have muted you on the channel.
I'm keeping my 2020 Tundra also!!!!
Great points , I just paid off my 2017 1794 tundra , I’m happy with it
being price conscious, I priced out my 2021 tundra double cab SR5 NON TRD was 43.5K and an identical 2022 tundra double cab SR5 NON TRD is over 48K. So, price went up nearly 5K msrp, that is NUTS. NO WAY a normal person can afford a near 50K vehicle and here I thought 43K was bad enough thought I never would see in my life spending over 40K for any vehicle.
Your double cab also has a functional back seat. Wait until you see the back seat in this new truck.
New tacomas are 40 plus now. All new trucks are ridiculously expensive
You forgot to mention no recovery hooks! That’s a biggie as well.
Toyota is so behind the competition, the quality built & technology is thing of the past and they are not listing to their loyal customers.
Waited full year for the new tundra to come out and I'm very disappointed.
My biggest problem with this truck is the lack of on board power, only giving us 400 watt, unlike the competition 2.4kw or 7.2kw option.
Minor annoying things are no front tow hooks and no storage under the back seats.
Great point on the no place to step on the back bumper.
There’s under seat storage for all non- hybrid versions.
Technology? Its pretty much updated to what today's trucks have.
Going from a 2003 Toyota Tundra SR5 extra cab, which has been and still is a great truck, to test driving a 1794 new gen I was blown away at the size of it inside and out. I was impressed with the turning radius, the overall ride was great even though it was a quick trip. The brakes were much improved, I thought the back seat area was huge. I could see however if your driving a 2017 -2021 Tundra you wouldn't be as impressed as I was. Been driving Toyota trucks since 1985.
check out a 2nd gen, you'll wonder why they changed it
Reason #6: wasting $60-70k on a “truck” that has less payload than a Honda Ridgeline
2022 tundra 1,745 to 2,290 lbs
2022 Honda Ridgeline 1,509 to 1,583 lbs
My 2005 double cab tundra has more payload than a 2022 Honda Ridgeline
@@revhighxx7657 the 2022 Tundra Crew Cab Limited has 1450 pounds of payload. The hybrid will be even less.
@@revhighxx7657 you ought to check out my video on Payload. How is Toyota claiming a GVWR higher than the combined front and rear axle ratings?
Wait the bed is more shallow in the new tundra? If so it’s a HARD pass for me. That’s a solid 2 inches more shallow. What has Toyota done with this new tundra?
You missed the flat floor and tow hooks.
Oh, I din't miss the tow hooks. Just covered them in another video.
Any serious mechanical/reliability issues?? That’s what I’m worried about. Turbo issues, transmissions etc
yes. there are videos and articles on such exact subject from other youtubers and article writers. Late into 2022 we are as I write this comment, the mechanical reliability issues are beginning to come out, more and more, as owners of the new 2022 with v6 double turbo are finding out after a year of ownership. Yet also currently, many “journalists” are “excusing it” as a problem specific to the “first year” of the new generation. Welp. ok. We shall see then, what will happen with the 2023’s
and ‘24’s. It will be interesting to see.
I am SO glad I didn't buy the 2022. I have the 2012 and love it. 100% true about space in the back seat, almost nonexistent and I am 5'9
Man you got that saucy attitude all them guys on 'to catch the predator" have.
At this point, Toyota feels as if the bare minimum is just enough; anything over that is considered as premium. And you end up paying a premium price for the basics.
*The competitors should use this to their advantage.
If I could only buy a new truck, it wouldn't be the '22 Tundra. Too many other good offerings.
All auto makers feel the bare minimum is enough
Reason number 6 - the truck gets maybe 17-18 mpg. My second gen tundra got 14-15. Fifteen years later and that’s the best Toyota could come up with? Terrible. Hoping the hybrid does better but early reports are it won’t.
I have a theory that the TTV6 was Plan B. Plan A might have been an Otto/Atkins cycle motor and you can see rumors of this engine for the Tundra all the way back in 2015. Assuming this engine failed truck durability testing, the TTV6 was the only other option.
Yeah, I’m not impressed with this “game changer” as Toyota said it would be. One of the things I love about my 2021 Tundra is the big seats and low console. It’s actually a bragging point for us, the most room of any full size truck as well as the beast of a rearend with the 4.30 gear ratio.
I don’t like all the tech (but no CD player!) or the single engine selection. Toyota should have kept the 5.7 in the lineup and given the consumers the option.
What they have done is take a tough, powerful and comfortable pickup and replaced it with a commuter for the people who don’t really need a pickup.
BTW, I own a 2020 4Runner with the navigation system. That also requires the yearly subscription after the second year and both my trucks require a $80 a year fee for the emergency service. Like you, I travel a great deal so I like having it and don’t mind paying for it... but, soon they plan to charge for access to the key fob features! That’s just greed!
I’ll be driving my 5.7 Crew Max until the wheels fall off or gasoline hits $5 a gallon!
Merry Christmas!
I know you don't live out west sir, they have already seen past $5 many places out there.
@@kedrevs4037 I do travel a great deal and was in the south west back in May. I was surprised how high gas prices were in Arizona compared to the tax, tax, tax north East.
@@tiggerwoods100 I didn’t say they would charge for access to the vehicle. I wish I was wrong but Toyota and other manufacturers are looking at charging a monthly fee for the use of remote starters (this is on the key fob). Some car companies are also considering charging a fee for the use of heated and ventilated seats.
But Toyota is on record saying the remote starters will only be accessible for a limited amount of time after purchase then will require a monthly fee. I think it’s 3 years but I don’t remember. Irregardless, it’s a rip off!
@@gone6727 Yeah when I was in Wyoming in September it was already well over $4 in many areas. A little spoiled on fuel prices in the SE. My wife was filling up next to a holiday traveller from CA who called her family from the gas station and said, "You won't believe gas prices in Georgia, It's not even $3.00 right now."
Gas is $5 a gallon out west….lol.
Keeping my 2020 tundra forever. Looks like I’ll be buying a Ford for my second work truck.
Toyota messed up big time
Not sure if you know this already. The SR base trim gets a derated version of the 3.4TT. Only makes 348HP and 405 Torque with less towing capacity. I have a feeling Toyota put significantly less HP than even the 5.7 because they aren’t as confident in the 3.4TT being stout enough for an actual work truck application towing and hauling daily.
I did know it created less power and torque in the SR. Your speculation is probably accurate.
I doubt that's the reason, Its more of an upsell tactic to get people to buy the higher trims especially if a company is going to be purchasing multiple at a time. SR5 will be the most common trim for both personal and work.
LandCruisinPNW it has less HP but slightly more torque than the 5.7 and those trucks could do up to 10,000lbs with a 2WD Double Cab. Same configuration with the new SR powertrain can’t match the older truck. Even with the same gears as the SR5 and up tune.
Should’ve called this video 5 reasons an old man justifies not buying a new truck
That works too, bit just needs a little tweaking….5 reasons a smarter, richer old man than you’ll ever hope to be…
I think a lot of your complaints are pretty uncommon for most people. While I personally agree they dropped the ball on the tailgate access, the other ones probably don't apply to many people.
I don't know many people that actually park their truck inside their garage. They just leave it in the driveway.
Things I don't like about the new Tundra.
-no front tow hooks
-ugly front grille
-poor bed access
-low confidence powertrain
-the front bumper stops mid center, doesn't seem like it has any functionality.
-no manual transmission
-no diesel option
Looks like a lot of downgrades
Looks are subjective and many things you mentioned were never offered in the first place so it's more of a wish list not downgrades from before. Like diesel or manual transmission option
@@gamatoutsikos I never said it was a downgrade. That was the other comment and I didn't write that. I said that those are things I don't like about the new tundra.
You can add composite bed to the list as well, it's too flexible and had been known to hit the cab when off roading. Serious flaw.
@@kalashnikov1343 I understand. Didn't mean to @ you. Was also saying that for the other comment
Always the hate when something new comes out! I had the first gen tundra when i was 19 and so much hate. All around me. People are afraid of new changes on everything! Yeah i wish it was cheaper but thats it! Hate it its gonna sell good like the other tundras.
Tundras have never really sold well. They have always been niche. I just don't know hat niche this fills. It isn't the best at anything. I don't hate it, it just doesn't work for me. Would make my truck experience worse.
@@kedrevs4037 tundra will sell good!
I also have a 2nd Gen, and I love it, but I'm not sour graping as you do, because admittedly, the 2022 is cool. Btw, my 2nd gen is way cooler than yours
Damn bro
Any longer truck is going to have turning and parking difficulties. As for the Infotainment subscription for Navigation, that’s just how it is same with Sirius XM subscription. You either pay for an additional subscription for your vehicles or use you Apple Play apps for navigating and music apps
There is a difference between Spotify/Apple offering services and Toyota charging for functionality.
I have a 2014 SR5 with " Mud tires" lift "performance Exhaust" you name it. I bought it for the long haul I just can't see getting rid of it it's such a good truck. And no tow hooks are you kidding me.
We are all completely miffed.
@@kedrevs4037 Man you are full steam on the hate train with this generation. Anything for them views I guess.
@@donwarner6925 I don't hate this vehicle, just don't think it measures up to the previous gen and highlighted several reasons why. The vast majority of disagreement has come in the form of name calling or accusation. All we ever hear from reviews is more HP, Torque, MPGs, Locker. I'm just telling it as to why those things pale in comparison to what was given up.
@@kedrevs4037 So would you say Toyota is catering to a different customer base? The average truck buyer doesn’t even need half to truck capabilities. Hence Ford Maverick. All manufactures are cashing in on new buyers that quite frankly, never use a trucks true abilities.
very simple, Don't buy a 2022 Tundra and no worries.
Thanks for the review, talked me OUT of buying this truck! The back seats have ZERO room, that's horrible. I have a 4Runner and will get another one instead. Interesting how so many Toyota's are w / cloth seats and not leather. Always ironic how "upgrades" are not better than previous model. Thank you for this update and info.
Thank you for watching. I still think people should check it out for themselves before making a decision.
He wasn’t showing a crewmax in this video.
@@donwarner6925 The crewmax has smaller dimensions too. It went from being the roomiest to the smallest interior of full size halftons by a fair amount.
@@kedrevs4037 Yeah I know. Carseats barely fit. And forget about trying to fit adults in a crewmax. I can’t even bother with you anymore. Have you even driven the new generation Tundra? I wonder why you aren’t answering that question.
@@kedrevs4037 theres less than inch difference in leg room on the 2022 crewmax
It’s wrong time to buy any new car. Everything is over priced and some used cars are even a double price. Example; Ford F-150 2014 200k miles for $22 000😳
I bought my F150 2012 6 years ago with 94,000 miles for $20k, Now, same situation they want for identical mileage $40k and more. Crazy!
Welcome to inflation, it doesn't go back, just sets a new price point. Thank your congressional representative for a stupid response to the pandemic
the turning radius is a major concern for me. most new buyers wont notice it until after the paperwork is signed. The new engine worries me also, never been a big fan of turbos. when they go , its expensive! but i understand the need for motor evolution to meet new restrictions. I'm gonna stick with my 2010 for a while and see how things shake out with this new design, but i must say I'm not thrilled with this new Tundra at all! the milage per gallon is the only upside i see.
Real world MPGs don't seem to be panning out
They’re already having issues with the turbos and in order to fix them they have to take the entire cab off. Seems like a terrible design choice.
Toyota wants you to spend a whopping $400 to get the bed step add on. For some reason the price went up $125 from the step for the previous generation for what looks to be the exact same step.
It is the exact same step.
I was honestly hoping it would be a huge success so I could pick up and pre 21 model on the cheap but reviews arent showing me a whole lot of wows from people.
don't let it discourage you from tracking a 2nd gen, nothing is cheap right now.
Sounds like all your issues are with your belongings not being accommodated which is only your opinion based on your needs.
This should be called “The poor man’s review of the 22 tundra”
I wish the people who buy the new model all the best of luck.
For me I choose a 2021. I’m not opposed to the new technology of future vehicles, hybrid and full EV etc. however I want to see it more practical and more affordable, especially for the full EV before I buy it. My thoughts were: basically the only bad things about going with a 21 was; poor gas mileage, and outdated interior/tech.
-Now I don’t drive far regularly, so the poor mpg didn’t bother me.
-the “outdated” interior/tech. Well, half the stuff people label “outdated” really is more than enough. We tend to take this stuff so overboard and it ultimately brings the cost of vehicles up overtime. More this, more that etc. I was more than satisfied with the “outdated” version.
The best thing about the 5.7L is it’s proven to get pretty dang good reliability and that is still huge in my opinion.
To me right now it was too much a risk, to try some brand new hybrid that they probably rushed to make to satisfy the ever growing competition in the world of greener vehicles, so the odds are they might have problems with them. Best to wait 10 years till have more experience building reliable hybrid/ or EV trucks that will be reliable and last.
We’ll see. Maybe this Tundra is it; but I doubt it will have the rep the current model does; it’s probably gonna have it’s issues and take years to perfect. But I could be wrong. And the worst that happens is I buy more gas in that process.
That’s my take.
Well explained. I agree the older Tundras have been reliable, but don't forget to mention the whole new chassis and rear suspension design of the 22 tundra. That is what is making me want it most.
I drive the 2nd Gen and the ride quality is pretty bad. Would love to get rid of the leaf springs in the back.
@@marctreebarc If you get rid of the leaf springs you will have a car with a truck bed.
Old technology is what you need in a truck. People who are TECHIES don't really need a truck!
@@bug2011 so a Maverick lol
This "pay for a vehicle but then pay extra to use it's features" is total horse shit. Consumers need to red light and stop this now before they start charging you to use air conditioning in your car despite it coming with the hardware.
Exactly, charge me a price for the entire vehicle and all it's capability, then let it be done.
My 2011 LTD double cab has been a rock solid truck for me. Soon after I got my truck, I recognized that I need a step to get into the box. Even the bumper was a stretch for me. I installed the ARE bed step and love the ease of use and functionality of the step. The new tundra comes with this bed step on the higher trim levels and is offered as an option on the lower trims. It is an easy 3 bolt installation that takes 10 min to install. No big deal. If you are young and can jump into the bed unassisted, congratulations on youth! If you are an old guy like me, just install the “old man” bedstep and be happy! I’m not sure why so many people would rather complain about the lack of a step when there is an easy, offered solution. I guess it is easier to complain about it rather than just doing something about it.
Toyota has figured out another way to get $400 out of your pocket for the step
Uh oh....you did it now....you called your truck....your car!!!
Haha, I sure did. Happens sometimes.
I would have been happy with the 5.7 V8. Don’t like being forced to a single 3.4L TTV6 with no track record of reliable performance in a truck application.
3.5L, and I believe the Lexus LS 500 has been using a twin turbo V6 and has had no issues with its engine other than a fuel delivery recall that was fixed. But I agree, I would be a bit more concerned just to see how it holds up during its life being used as a tow vehicle. I guess you wouldnt purchase a F150 Powerboost either?
If they did that, very few of that new 3.4LTTV6 would be sold.
@@kedrevs4037 If they did that and did nothing about it, than yeah, sure. The problem has LONG since been corrected and is irrelevant to engine reliability. And Toyota is known for quality. So we are just the first to see how it holds up over the next few years in the tow application. But I agree, they should have made the V-8 available as well during this trial time until the V-6 reliability is confirmed and can retire the V-8 then.
Chris Martone I wouldn’t want a power boost F-150 either. Would prefer to to upgrade to a 3/4ton or higher truck with the same power, better cooling and higher towing performance. Also, the Tundra engine is a 3.44L, Toyota is selling it as 3.5 which is a bit misleading.
@@callofdutyguy9 Thanks for the info. I dont want a 3/4 truck because whatever I get has to be a daily commuter vehicle too for gas mileage and ride comfort....so I'm kind of stuck in the half ton market. And also I really dont want a truck much bigger than that.
Wider and longer and same wheel base and Yet it has less cabin room, bed space w/no built-in step ladder and wider turning radius. What were the Engineer's thinking?
Had to make room for the twin turbos to keep up with the power that was expected from a half ton truck.
There are other options. Toyota will sell a ton of these regardless of these gripes. They seem to be catering to a different customer with the new generation. Toyota knows how to sell vehicles. Having sold both Toyota’s and Fords both companies cater to a different demographic in the truck segment. Have you driven the new generation Tundra yet?
No he hasn’t. Hell he compared his crewmax cab to a double cab smdh
I gotta say, I have to disagree with about all of this. Tundra doesn't "fit" into a standard garage, any empty garage? Sure, then both would fit. Been in the new one, crewmax with 6.5, parks great, turns great, rides great. They have steps for the rear that are easier to get in. The interior size is a bit smaller but we have had 6'+ guys loaded in with no issues. This is the most nit picky review I've ever seen, and really, not very valid points. But to each their own I guess.
Good video but you shouldn’t be blaming the truck for your garage setup. I have a big enough garage to accommodate even the 8ft bed but it would probably be parked outside anyway.
I agree with you on the bed access though, really wish Toyota would have made that easier to get into, something like the Silverado would have been great.
Not blaming the truck, just documenting the lack of awareness. There are many buyers who prefer to park in the garage. This truck won't fit in a lot of them.
21' is bigger than most too
I agree there should be a place to put your foot to get in the bed but they do have the option to add a steel foot step for the bed.
Yes they do, but only on the 1794 and Platinum for $1,350. Seems a little steep - $65K for 4WD half ton, plus a monthly subscription for infotainment, + $1,350 for a power bed step.
Great video and valid reasons for buying another brand of truck.
I took back my Tundra deposit and cancelled my order when I saw how ugly that front grill looked and how under powered the top of the line models were. Didn't even notice the bed entry issue and that would have been a big deal for me as I am always climbing in and out of the back of the truck. It's too bad, I really wanted to like the truck.
And what you get ?
The 2021 is still a Excellent choice. 1794 or platinum or limited. Toyota leads in Reliability
You messed up my man 🩸
He made a wise choice
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You must've dogged your Tundra , Anything that's not taken care of will give you problems. Maintenance is a must. I've had my 2007 Tundra and it's never stopped on me. But I maintain my Truck also.
These people buying these trucks are out of their mind. It’s like a second mortgage with not a huge upgrade in anything
I agree with one commenter that "waste" is an overly strong word and I would have made a different statement. However, moving along, I have a GEN 2 (1.0) Tundra. It's a 2010, 146K miles. It works, yes, it has it's own issues, e.g., fuel economy for instance etc. But the seats, after all these years are still comfortable as hell, and just the right amount of firmness. I am a huge Toyota fan in general and of the Tundra in particular. Before I even saw this video, I just have not been able to like the new 2022 Tundra. I want to, but, there are things of my own that I didn't like before hearing what the TH-camr's quirks about the truck were. I belong to a very large Tundra group in my state with over 6,000 members including a few Toyota employees. I have to give the Toyota employees credit, they abided by the NDA before the 2022 Tundra was revealed. about 100 give or take people in the group have the new Tundra. I am not impressed. I like the mechanical abilities of the new truck (HP/torque, and 4 link suspension) but the truck looks like a bastard Chevy Silverado, Ford F-150, and Nissan Titan had a ménage a trois'. With most of the appearance DNA coming from the Silverado. The nose is the ugliest gaping maw I have ever seen in a truck and the way they integrated the bumper into the nose is the stupidest design concept. The way the nose molding follows down and becomes part of the bumper is just fugly. I am just not going to be one of those people who fall in line to approve of all things Toyota. I feel the same about the recent Toyota Supra, it's a BMW Z4 and it's a crying shame Toyota was either too lazy/tight fisted with a proper R&D budget etc to develop a car with the iconic name of Supra themselves. I kinda feel betrayed by Toyota's direction as of late; The Supra as stated and now the 2022 Tundra. I just can't with these new vehicles. And now Toyota wants to charge a subscription for keyless entry/remote start, yeah that's some betrayal right there. What the hell, did Toyota hire some legacy Big 3 American car company employees who then interjected the company with their stupidity?? This is my rant. I don't hate on people who like the new truck and I hope the ones who bought them enjoy them. It won't be me.
No one commented or liked this meca of info!?! Really well said and i totally agree with you on all said points. I have 09 Limited double cab with 125k still working hard and peppy! 2022 is a over glorified tacoma haha
Well said about its appearance.
@@rileywolter613 Sometimes the notifications lag like weeks or months behind.
I don’t think the fuel economy for the 2022 tundra is anything to write home about. Considering the complexity of the TTV6 against the V8, I would’ve expected a big difference to justify the potential down the road maintenance costs of running a twin turbo. Toyota dropping the V8 from this large truck segment is a missed opportunity IMHO as they could’ve attracted buyers from other manufacturers who are also put off by the large truck market moving away from the tried and trusted V8.
@@KimathiTheLeopard manufactures are being pushed to get rid of the V-8's.
1. Be a man step on the tire
2. It's a truck back in like you're supposed to.
3 sounds like a you problem.
4. Don't be cheap get the Crewmax. All double cabs are like that.
5. Yeah I'll give you that one they are greedy.
6. looks are subjective.
I got to give Toyota Credit they redesign this truck to compete with Ford and Dodge. their trucks have always been ahead of the game and technology and styling. They did a great freaking job
The turning radius is a hassle but none of this would stops me from buying. I’m more concerned about the turbo waste gate issue that’s coming up with more and more frequency. The gas mileage on the 21 and earlier models is just abysmal. I say this as someone who is averaging about 12mpg on his 1995 Land Cruiser.
Love that Land Cruiser.
I think the problem is the fact that Toyota USA was forced by Toyota to use the new Landcruiser platform. In the interview with TFL trucks the chief engineer didn't want to use a fully boxed frame for a pickup. He didn't have a choice.
Yes, square peg in the round hole problem. Toyota was so solid with the 1st gen Tundra and so innovative with the second gen, I hope they have got something else up their sleeve.
@@kedrevs4037 They don't. Everything is going to be build on that platform. This is the Toyota way. It saves a ton of money.
TheLogitech91 saves money for Toyota, not for the consumer.
@@callofdutyguy9 It does save money for the consumer. Why would you want the expense of developing multiple platforms. You would naturally pass that expense on to the end customer.
Example. Camry, Highlander, Lexus RX are on the same platform. Toyota Prado & Lexus GX470 are the same platform.
So let me get this straight; you’re reasoning for the new Tundra being a “waste of money” are all gripes that relate to your personal preferences/life? Because your generator is snug? Because you’re afraid of ripping your clothes on a garage door? Because you evidently can’t sit on the bed and slide yourself into the bed? This is quite possibly one of the worst “arguments” I’ve ever heard.
Oh, and the Crewmax has plenty of room. Have had two grown men 6’3 and 6’5 sit in there and had plenty of room. I’m 6’3 myself, and that was with me driving. This whole video is a load of crock and a lot of nitpicking.
It’s pretty evident they’re going backwards, he’s very right about the length and turning radius part. Most people only buy a half ton because they’re more maneuverable, making it larger defeats the purpose of the truck class. Every truck on the market has had integrated bed steps for the last decade. It just shows a regression in build quality and an overall lack of understanding for the market of this truck.
Not to worry...you say you have a 2018, just buy a 2021 with low milage....lots of them available!
Looking at it from my point of view, owning a 2010 Silverado 1500 ext cab 6.5 bed for 11 years, this truck is a dream compared to mine. The frame and suspension change looks like it rides super smooth, never had a crew cab so I’m excited for that, color options look nice and getting more mpg for more horsepower and torque is also a super bonus. Not used to underseat storage either but having to keep tool bags in the truck and other emergency equipment on the seat can be a pain so that’s a plus. I’m limber enough so the bed step missing isn’t an issue, talking about a difference of only a couple inches anyway. All in all, this may be good for those of us who are just now getting into the Toyota truck lifestyle whereas current tundra owners see the changes negatively. I could agree the cab would be more comfortable in the older body style than the new due to size differences but it sure beats my truck 😂
I’m curious, what do you mean by “getting into the Toyota Truck lifestyle”. That sounds like phrasing Toyota wants consumers to adopt.
seems like u never seen a newer gm truck, 22 refreshed blows this shit away
You sound like a toyota shill even the op called you out. It probably is nicer than your 2010 Silverado you genius, it’s also a 60k plus truck her der
But there are crewmax cab, which is the one I'm buying because of my kids car seats, and not that one shown on video.
@@OMotoristaJacobMonteiro I have another video with that seat. Just didn't have access when this video came out.
And what were they thinking? Off road package with no tow hooks.....
This boggles everyone's mind. I don't think they could do it with the foot of dead space in the front of this thing that they likely needed to get better offset crash ratings.
Not logical when you compare a double cab (new tundra) with a crewmax (old) in term of rear seat leg room.
Agreed, but pickens are slim on new ones right now. I’ve been in plenty of double cabs, never been shocked by the smaller size. This one is shockingly smaller.
It’s essentially a two seat truck, Don’t know why they even bother with the rear seat.
Loved your detailed review by the way :)
Most Americans don’t use their garage for their vehicles. This truck may not fit your specific dimensions and intended use but saying it’s a waste of money may not be true as it may be perfect for someone else’s wants and needs.
That turning radius on the current was incredible when it comes to parking i between other vehicles. Thats the first thing I noticed when I got mine back in 2010. They do need to keep that feature. For climbing into the bed the drop down bumper step like ram and Nissan is far better than standing on the bumper because its lower to the ground.
Problem is it is only available as a very expensive option on the 1794 and Platinum. Other trims don't even offer it.
@@kedrevs4037 No sir you are incorrect again, the bumper step is available on on all trims. On the Platinum and higher, it comes standard. I just spec'd out an SR, the base model and you can purchase both the powered and unpowered step versions.
@@AmJaxineer I appreciate your perspective but you need to check the spec sheet and try to build one. The power bed step is only an option 1794 and platinum. If you have other evidence please share it.
The point is , the step is available .
@@kedrevs4037 BED STEP, not the power running boards below the cab, the rear BED step available on ALL trims. The PRB's are only available on the Plat, 1794....and maybe the new Capstone, not sure bout that last one. Like you said, go spec one out you can get the BED STEP on any model.
I still cannot believe it has no tow hooks in the front...I went from a 09 Sequoia to a 21 F150 3.5EB crew cab with a 6.5' box I think the short box is dumb. The biggest thing I miss is the turning radius, driving the Ford makes me feel like I am back in the 90s with a truck that cannot make a u turn in a football field...now I know why all these trucks park the way they do in parking lots...overall I think the Ford is okay, would never buy a GM or Ram so there is not much choice left...I still hope Toyota keeps up the build quality but only place is down when you are on top...and the fact the Land Cruiser is gone in the USA is sad.
When you have a 157” wheelbase with the ford what do you expect?