Just make a mining/herbalism character, pop one of the potions that show extra nodes, fly around gathering every node on sight. Fly around any zone you want, I just fly around outside dorn. You'll get 75k-125k per hour depending on your profession level. Crafting is just annoying cause you have to learn how to craft for pvp and pve and it confuses the average ungabunga brain doing all the crest conversions and adding in other mats... but once you get it down its not bad.. but it is annoying and I could see it stopping multitudes of people from playing.. but complaining about gold is insane. I was always a brokie getting by selling arena carrys a few hundred gold a win... this xpac making gold is the easiest shit ever... just gather stuff.
Yeah I’m so annoyed by the crafting that in defiance I don’t have any crafting gear on most of my toons after being tired of it on my first one. Don’t got the gold for it.
I agree about addons. The fact that we need SO MANY addons to make sense of the systems in the game is a huge sore spot for wow. And I love installing and configuring addons. There's too much hidden info that'd too difficult to make sense of. As for too many buttons for shaman... they've tried to fix this, what? 3 times in the past? They need to chill on the totem sub theme. They're annoying to use.
WoW is no longer an MMO. I feel zero character progression. Season starts, I work for a few weeks, watch my ilvl go up, get 2k in some bracket until next season. Nothing matters. It's not what it used to be.
Well that's the problem with most MMO's when you hit max level. You get what you need and then nothing else matters. It basically comes down to if you enjoy playing the game, regardless of the game.
This is the problem with xpacs. They clear the slate every 2 years and create this feeling. I quite playing a couple months ago for that exact sentiment. Shouldnt be xpacs, only continuations to the story. I think this is also why there story telling is so horrible
I think maybe it’s you that has changed. I strongly recommend you play a game because the gameplay is fun, not because you’re chasing a carrot on a stick. I would instantly quit wow if the actual game itself wasn’t fun regardless of gear upgrades. Gear is just a means to an end. The end being having fun PvPing.
Biggest thing for me is that to prog, it feels like a part time job. With RuneScape you login for 15-20 minutes you can make progress With wow it’s 2-3 hour raids or 1 hour long m+ (getting the people and then doing the m+) With pvp super lo no ques, and it’s common for healers to just rage quit losing lobbies, or someone DCs
Having monthly sub cost is definitely one of biggest things, I would play more but sometimes i dont feel like playing wow for few days or weeks but if I'm not playing i feel like I'm wasting money so i just dont play at all
@@ImperviouslyGamingPretty reasonable tbh, monthly sub ontop of expansion purchases, I’d argue to keep expansion purchases but make it free instead of a monthly cost.
Most games are actually inherently simple, at least in how they are operated. Only MMOs have this weird obsession where more buttons = more skill. It got so out of hand that an entire subclass of gaming mice had to be brought to market specifically for MMOs. Simplicity is under appreciated and I would consider it a good thing to get back to Legion levels of buttons.
Legion had many buttons too, maybe it was less than now but it was still way more complex than your average game. I remember some classes, despite the fewer buttons, being especially unforgiving in Legion. Less buttons doesn't mean a lot if you have to pay more attention to your CD's which are also up faster. I honestly think League of Legends does a great job at making many unique characters with just 4 buttons (one of which is the WoW equivalent of a CD). They are easy to distinguish and you can wrap your head around what they can do quite easily. WoW for example doesn't even have skillshots or other fun gameplay elements which LoL had for a decade now. For me Classic is way too simple and flawed from Class perspective, but past Cata it also became too much. I don't think your active abilities (including CD's) should exceed the number 5.
I think the thing that makes the game feel unappealing is the way you gear up so quickly, you don't feel like you're progressively getting stronger. You finally get BiS and you have 2-4 weeks until the next season begins. It makes it feel like a constant loop, maybe it's just me but when I got a simple green item in classic it was dopamine, now ur 7 epics first week. I'd also agree that the time you sit in Q is too long for how much available time we have.
The time investment for gearing is huge for me...I don't have much time to play, I only do arena...yet to be competitive you need to be on top of gearing and have to start that sh**t over ever season.
@@christopherfaulkner5821yeah it’s actually been so easy that if anything THAT has bothered me lol have no idea what this guy is talking about and why I can barely ever take negative people seriously 🥱
@@iv9ry Back in the day I used to play with my family and few other people we knew. They've all long since departed. I'm also in a far different spot in my life than I was when I was raiding and chain running dungeons for badges. Now I need to be able to walk away (without notice) and you simply can't expect a group to wait for you.
The game needs a huge system overhaul. I will for the first time look for my PvP in other games. Unless my arena partner comes back to push glad around christmas. But I have 0 incentive to play right now because of queue times.
I think the gameplay is a massive barrier right now, people who are more advanced proabbly don't see it but for casuals, the ones that wow aimed towards from the beginning, can struggle with the CC style gameplay. I believe that if warcraft went with a more cd style play and reduced the amount of cc and interrupts then it would be a lot more accessible and fun for new players, not being able to control a character for ages is not fun at all.
I hit 1950 on my hunter and was met with consistent 20-30 minute queue times. I thought the 10-15 minute queue times were excessive, but the long queues killed it for me. I think you’re right on the money supa. WoW has some of the most unique gameplay I’ve ever experienced, but the amount of time it takes to learn the game systems, how to be effective with your classes and synergize with your teammates, it’s a mountain to climb. I’d stream my gameplay to my casual wow friends and they were just overloaded.
I disagree though, Game is easy and 1950 is casual af.. congrats though =)... but we have an issue when we start pandering to idiots and wanting the game to be dumbed down for a small minority of people who just dont have that dog in them required thats gonna make them become a longtime player like some of us. If you do got that dog in ya, you'll go thru your first 300 hours being trash and start to learn and get better.. We could kill the game by dumbing it down and then the idiots they pandered too just leave anyways cause thats what the type of players who cry for easy stuff do, easy is never easy enough for these people.
@@austin4990 I agree that they shouldn't simplify too much. But as it stands right now, there are too many barriers to get into PVP. Between the game knowledge, gearing process, and learning your class, it is a steep learning curve. As it stands right now, there isn't a lot of incentive to learn pvp. Something needs to change if we want the game to stay healthy in the long term. We should welcome fresh blood into pvp and give them an on ramp that doesn't have such a steep knowledge requirement. Telling a newbie that you have to get your teeth kicked in for 300 hours before it gets fun doesn't sound like a good proposition lol.
@@burtimus7228 Alot of pvp knowledge comes with time atleast in arenas... you arent learning how to properly macro across classes and using [target= x] stuff. The only thing I could possibly think they could do to make it easy for bad andy's and to keep the gameplay fun, which it is right now, and its not even hard in the slightest.. mop had way more skill expression.. would be to rework targeting somehow. I can tell when im gearing an alt exactly how some healers are playing.. They arent even looking at whats on their screen, and are clicking frames to heal lmao. Simplify targeting not dumb down required game knowledge, you only gotta remember like 20 things tops if that lmao... its not like its league of legends. Also if you are one of these casual players healing... For the love of god keybind your party member 1 2 3 to your mousewheel so you can move and actually rotate spells on friendlys at the same time that your moving.
Completely disagree on the UI/AddOns part. They just need to be removed. No AddOns for pvp. It would make the game way more interesting. Instead of just looking at your addons you'd have to look at the animations to try and figure out what is going on.
@@chris92like1 I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's unfair. The game should be able to stand on its own legs. It's also lazy by blizzard. You should be able to tell from the animations when a dangerous spell is being cast. It makes the game better and more immersive. Also lol I'm not gonna waste my entire life in front of a screen playing a stupid video game so that I can become the best at it. For me it's something I play every now and then to relax.
Keybinding and addons are my real problem with the game. Too many macros that can play for you or take advantage of mechanics, like the rogues who macro shadowstep/kick into grappling instantly back to target. Things like that ruin it, takes all the skill away from making a move like that. I also refuse to use addons but recount. Managed over 2500 and top 50 afflic lock in bg blitz and I had never broke 2k before DF. You SHOULD have to pay attention to see someone blow cd's and not just have some addon telling you exactly what button to hit and when.
@ObliteratorPvP funny you say that. I dont play this game for you or anyone else. I play for my own enjoyment and that rating DOES mean something to me. It ain't getting me into the awc but I wasn't trying lol. Appreciate the congrats though
@@fogismaximus lol that’s sounds bad azz sheesh but I’m confuse on the grappling part. I main combat rogue. As a combat rogue we don’t have Shadowstep only Grappling hook. So I’m not sure how that rogue grappled back. Maybe he use his second shadow step to get back.
Crest is def a problem. 90 piece for a craft is just beyond time tanking crazy. Because of that I give up M+ completely and now I only play raid and pvp, while my guildies ridicules(kindly) me not farming them for progress. I told them I will never touch M+ again unless significant improvements happen.
The complexity of classes doesn't has to revolve around the 1000 buttons rule. They could have genuinely removed many abilities in the past that were borderline useless or unnecessary. They could make the specs customisable and make it so that you have to choose between certain abilities, maybe to the extent where some meta builds won't include Divine Shield for Paladins even. The design decisions leading to the current overcomplexity issues of Retail began more than 10 years ago, but they still don't care about solving the issue. Compress the gameplay of specs, you don't need all the abilities to be active or be made available. I just honestly think 20+ keybinds were never justified in this game, even when I look back at past expansions.
@@MrCarlWax I was never interested in those games. I play fantasy games for the fantasy, which in WoW's case hooked me in. I never got an interest in Final Fantasy for the same reason.
I'd add to the gear, that while it is easy to gear with conquest and honor, the conquest limitation restricts you from experimenting with different gear, secondary stats, etc. As you can get one piece of gear a week, you MUST get your BIS one, to not fall behind. You are kinda forced to watch streamers, guides to know what (potentially) the best build is going to be and copy them. Also, major balance changes during the season may require you to go for a different kind of build, including secondary stats, making your already purchased gear bad. Naturally, the above points are "solved" by removing the conquest cap, but that happens way too late in the season imo.
Yeah ngl next season I’m just going to PvE until conquest is uncapped because having to figure out PvP BiS on a week by week basis is actually annoying.
In game tutorial stuff is SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDED. Why is no1 else talking about this! Geez, can we get a scuffed arena tutorial like HOTS has with Uther or smth
i agree with some of the comments around the skill section. If a class has more then 18 unique skills as part of their tool kit to be effective makes it complicated to play. You need to create macros/scipts & use addons just to play the class effective. I'd like to see more multi function skills that allow players to sting smaller sets of skills together in different ways to change the results. for example using 2 skills unlocks high crit chance of a 3rd skill for 5 seconds allowing us to plan stings of combos to achieve a desired result. Where ive seen this in game, its changes how i use skills, and plan for end results. WW monk is a good example, can use 7 skills in different ways that feels like 20 separate end results.
To help translate the "skill" issue. Yes it's add-ons but a lot of it is how complicated some of the specs are. I love Sub. It's my favorite spec in the game and it's a blast to play... until I do Arenas, when if I forget one of my CD's or my teammates don't know how to play with me it's basically an auto-loss, simply because I don't have the skill to make the class work like an R1 player.
Button bloat is one thing, but I think the talent trees, modifier, buffs, procs etc.. have gone way off the deep end. You often have like 20+ buffs and procs at anyone time, that is way to much to handle. Plus with the trees you will often have multiple specs for solo, 2s, 3s, bgs, m+, raids etc... then add on different stat priorities depending on the content its way too much, plus alts plus trying to understand what your teammates/opponents have. I would much prefer to keep button count, but simplify the trees, something more similar to the MoP trees is actually more fun IMO.
Its the complete detachment from your character thats the biggest problem. Look at the connection you had to your character in original wow compared to now. It felt like you were spending time getting your character as good as it can be, it was a challenge but it was satisfying.
One other barrier I think worth mentioning is performance. WoW used to be playable on pretty much any PC, the current game is unplayable on a PC that is only a few years old.
I don’t know if its really the addons as much as people think. It seems like alot of people who feel like they can’t compete or learn are just sick of going against veterans who know every spec, and play 12 different alts. I’ve brought friends to the game and they don’t stand a chance against players like that in any content, even casual random bgs (filled with premades now) or bg blitz. It wasn’t that hard to get my friends set up with addons but they can’t even comprehend how fast the game moves in pvp. The only time addons become extremely powerful in pvp is when you have so much knowledge about every single buff/debuff/cooldown in the game. The game is just so incredibly unintuitive for new players, or even intermediate players trying to learn, I’ve seen it first hand.
What do people think of a gladiator's saddle, like the vicious saddle but allow players at a gladiator level farm for vicious saddles and actually be able to collect the glad mounts throughout the years if your good enough. It would still be super difficult to obtain, especially in today's day and age but i think it would encourage alot of people to come back. Would be a vocal group for sure mad about rereleasing old seasonal stuff but its time i think.
For some reason it's still faster to weekly cap your character in PvP in cata classic than in retail.. 10 wins or less in any bracket... Conquest rewards in most brackets are so low it's not even worth the time playing the bracket at all...
war mode makes the social isolated by default. it's like silent hill, it's so depressing that you know there are people that you will never see in the same server because of war mode.
It costs waaaaaaay too much to gear alts. Especially since blizz let bots kill market for gathering materials. People who just played 1 character made millions on bloodstones, but those of us gearing alts spent as much. Now that I'm all geared up on my toons, bloodstones have tanked from 6k to 3k bc blizz shuffled 75% of the playerbase to a bunch of classic variants while retail rots.
Nailed it. I’ve got 7 geared toons that I try to enjoy some casual pvp with (mostly epics).. cost me a damn fortune to enchant them. Beyond ridiculous for new & casual players. Funnelling ppl to buy wow tokens. 🤮
Please just for the love of god remove all the stupid unnecessary systems in the game. Bring back wrath level gearing and currencies where you have 2 types of pve currencies, honor, and arena points. No one, literally no one likes the new systems for gearing, crafting, gemming, etc. they bring nothing to the game but an additional barrier to entry.
Hard capping mmr after playing arena for a few hours week 1 had me to not playing much of season 1 at all. If everyone including r1's and 100x multiglads are bottlenecked at low rating early in the season there's no reason to even que up.
Relying on addons is one problem. Enjoying play with addons and then having them break from a game update having you not want to play until the addon is upgraded is another problem.
1. 2. 3. *BRING BACK REFORGING!* Those are my first three wishes, one for each word. Very important. Next little more text but TLDR, more gear choice in PvP, more interesting gear. A cookie cutter set will reign supreme in top .5%, but choice is good for longevity whenever you aren't pushing your max, duelling, WPvP, bgs etc. 4. Bring back emblem style vendors or at least more gear choices from the PvP vendors, more fun trinkets & other gear mechanics, and survivability vs. Damage! But I loved how we could do content for gear, and then have a separate avenue of guaranteed gear over time. Interesting and strong PvE trinkets from the vendor could be used in PvP with a clear power increase at the cost of survivability, but it was obtainable by everybody. I always hated PvE gear in PvP unless it was vendor gear bought with currency farmed in M+/Delves or potentially even obtainable from there to some extent so everyone at least are basically guaranteed to be able to get it at some point at their own pace and *_not require doing stuff like Heroic/Mythic raiding_* like Cata with Boomkin/Locks/Rogue etc.
with regards to the financials, if the game does go Free To Play. You're right the participation will explode, the structure will then to monetize the brand like LoL is doing with netflix series, movies, merch, Esports. WoW will have to do the same thing. We've had this conversation every single Xpansion. I think this is the only viable solution. to save things like PvP.
I asked around IRL & Online aswell. WoW is great, but look to advanced especially PvE not that I care for PvE. But when that is said the game is overly complicated to look at, fun to play but to many i met and talked to says the game looks way to comlpex; So many buttons to press, so much Aura; the phase of the games; life spikes up and down. can ofcourse be learned but then the learning curve is HUGE for new players. Watch Xaryu Dueling Grubby, is a good example. And grubby has experience from PC gaming. (and its in Classic, which is far more simple) But a great HOT topic to bring up Supa, I agree with ur points I dont necessarily agree with my own statement this is simply just the feedback I have recieved.
They don't need to make the game simpler, they just need to not allow add-ons. The need for external resources in every aspect of this game sends both new and old players packing their bags.
Tired of doing the exact same gear grind every single season . It feels like your progress is always completely reset so everything you do seems like a waste of time
Just jumped back in to SS to try and get the transmog, hoping that at least the inflation made it worthwhile to try now. Still not worth it. This is absolutely ridiculous. As someone who prefers healing in pvp this is totally unsustainable. I don't understand how they don't recognize the problem and do something about it. It's been this way for YEARS. I seriously hate playing PVP now. At least stop punishing healers and make it worthwhile to play. This is such a blatant and consistent F you from Blizzard that it completely negates their recent efforts to "listen to the player base".
I think one of the biggest issues with wow is the wrong conception Blizzard has with MMOs. There's a distinct lack of consistency. What is the point of playing a game and developing a character only for it to get wiped in every season/expansion. You see this in a micro scale with this season's pvp. Inflation has caused rewards to not feel as rewarding. Gladiator doesn't mean what it used to mean. The accomplishments we make in game are getting less substantial.
the issue is that the game does a horrible job telling you what you did wrong. it's difficult to tell what win conditions are. when an enemy pops a offensive cd that will kill you, the only thing telling you that they popped that cd is a fuckin icon above their health bar.
well, was fun the first 2-3 weeks, then it feels like there is nothing new really since dragon flight (except the zones of course). Been playing classic wow for a week and the leveling is so much more fun when you are not in a hurry. I think we need a WoW 2.0 with classic mechanics, gearing, class design etc. Could be in Azeroth but older times like in Warcraft 1 or Warcraft 2.
19 years, 70k hours - This was the only xpac i disliked Blizzard decided to artificially and directly control the playerbases behaviour, In many ways, Including, But not limited to - deserter debuff for leaving at any point of a dungeon - getting. Suspension for leaving a depleted key in mythic+ - suspension for being reported by multiple people ( without a human being viewing their interactions ) PvP players have quit en masse because of solo shuffle ( and the other rated modes ) horrible changes to rating. It took the best Warlock in the world, A month, to achieve Gladiator Then theres the braindead whales in the community, Who are the reason nothing gets better, And again, Many reasons why. A good example this xpac, Was how many people requested a difficult endgame PvE challenge for solo content… And the mindless response and defence of said whales, Was “ THATS WHAT DELVES WILL BE FOR “ So where is it? Wheres the Mage Tower esque challenge? Exactly Just let it die. Marvel rivals is a good example of new waves of games, Doing it better, With what people want I know you probably think im just being an asshole… But i do love the Universe of Warcraft. Enough is simply enough. The game wont be what people want, If people keep playing and dickriding If you needed someone who no lifed WoW, To tell you its ok to leave now - This is it
I agree with addons. The default UI and what it tracks - is so bad - that it REQUIERES you to go external. I paid for SkillCapped UI setup because it is just so much easier to just plug and play rather than spending hours setting omniCD - Weak-auras - etc. To me the default UI and it SHOULD look like is somewhat like any Classic UI with the AWC frames for arenas. You can SEEEE. Having a screen like Cdew for exemple - is just non sense. Sure does work for him - and god knows how much this guy can track things - but it is just way too overwhelming. You shouldn't need to rely on external addons to track spells and such. Back in the day - animation - sounds - matching your CD timers was your way to track stuff. Not 50 weakauras fulling your screen. Can't blame people not looking to play the game if to do so, you need 20 hours of tutorials and guide. Classes with too many buttons are also VERY BAD for the game. 5-6 buttons you constantly need to push is perfect. Disc : Renew - Shield - Penance - Radiance - Smite - SWP Simple - Fun - every single one has a meaning and impact. Play resto shaman ? Spam Riptide and try to find your other buttons that are just cooldowns over cooldowns over cooldowns. Awefull. Hate playing my resto sham.
Im a pvp player 17 years multiple glad mounts. Yet every season i need to buy gold. SL was the worst with 500k legos. Most pvp players are broke. we need ways to make money. This expansion i lv herb and mining. I make 100k a hour first week now im at 20k per hour and going down. Blizzard gave us 50 extra conquest like a gift from god.
I'm mainly subbed for classic wow at this point. -Retail as a dps pvp player means long ques to have people rage quit and have que time reset. -Addons are too much. I've played since vanilla... even for me it's overkill what you need to be on a level playing field. -Everything feels bloated. Most people have tons of mounts, tons of titles, tons of transmog... nothing feels special or impressive anymore. I feel like the game needs a total reboot with a time jump to the future or past. (Or a whole new unrelated world) Everyone starts again with nothing. It can be a similar or same UI and feel as WoW. But make it like Vanilla where no one is "The Savior of Azeroth" and you're just part of a big world. If you get a green or blue item... you actually get excited and a purple item makes your entire week. Just my thoughts.
I could sit and complain about warcraft all day, but I am so jaded to moan about the things they are and arent fixing. I am defo going to try PoE 2 for a bit. I came to the realisation last week that most of my wow time was chores and repetitive tasks rather than just playing for fun. FOMO is worse than ever too, i miss interesting stat and character building too.
I've had a couple friends try WoW for the first time after leaving FFXIV and they had massive trouble understanding the game. The first thing was that Exile's Reach shows the basic fundamentals of the game, but there is nothing that teaches intermediate or end-game content. They had no idea on what a specialization even was. Second problem was that once you leave Exile's Reach the game directs you to Timewalking campaigns, and they had NO idea which one to do, what was most efficient or interesting. Timewalking campaigns were made in mind of veteran players and it seemed to conflict and confuse my friends with just starting your leveling experience in Dragonflight. The first-time player experience was extremely overwhelming and these are people with experience in other MMOs, imagine trying to get someone into the genre for the first time. I think even Classic WoW is easier to digest, coming from a retail player.
What happened to just exploring and having fun? I knew nothing starting in late legion. I had a blast. I didnt even know mythic+ was a thing until mid bfa. In shadowlands i raided heroic with an awesome guild. Why do people expect to know what's the best and most efficient route on your first time ever. There is no mmo in the world that does that well. Just mess about and enjoy it.
Addons are definitely an issue. They almost feel like cheating at this point because they provide such a drastic level of information, quality of life, and advantages. It’s to the point where players even in casual modes will troll you for not having things like BGE or Healers must die. And don’t get me started on weak auras.
The biggest Issue overall is time/results.... time/ reward... People will spend money anyways as peoples egos are always an exploit. In the end time/results is frustrating and I admit it is the best it has been. But it is not enough. Time/Reward not everyone has Glad like skills or the time to practice to eventually get them and most people grind for nothing and end up leaving. Cuz there are games that have more immediate rewards like League of Legends.
Unrated pvp (bgs, epics & wpvp too possibly) should 💯 be a level playing field. Just make honor gear the max level gear in those circumstances & I think participation in unrated pvp would start to flourish slowly. Let the sweaty nerds grind out their conquest gear for rated pvp & give them badass rewards!
Less buttons, less abilities on global cool down so hitting the less buttons feels better, and either redo systems to not need addons or do away with addons
The UI/Addons make the game so ugly and complicated. Setting up 10+ addons, 10+ macros, and 30+keybinds isn't fun. Gearing ruined pvp for me because other players understood the gearing and I didn't and I started getting stomped and losing mmr by better geared players. I returned to the game after a 3+ year break and it feels like an entirely different game wearing wows skin.
Had to put wow down, too much time and no reward for the time spent. Waiting simulator just to get into anything meaningful, bored out of my mind. Going for POE2 for now and hoping blizz makes some positive changes for the future.
Wow is just complicated you need addons to track so many abilities both in pvp and pve. It clutters your screen too much on top of the the reworks and "balancing". You can be in a solid state then boom they buff another class and now your worse than before. Queue times are insane 20 to 45 min for dps in 1800 to 2000 mmrr just to plays 6 3 minute max rounds. It's just not fun that's the real problem.
People will hate to hear this but they need A solo path to BiS just like there's a Solo path to max level. Item rewards should be almost entirely aesthetic with very few and seldom exceptions. Tier gear needs to be upgradable to BiS for both pve and pvp, at least separately, and also through whatever content they want. Forcing people to play a certain way so they can stand around afk in BiS is outdated and nobody cares unless you're in instanced content. LFR for example should just give everyone instance only BiS gear, upon entry. They need to stop the majority of FOMO events and such, and simply focus on making a more action packed and appealing realistic and immersive story/play-through for a mature audience, meaning quality cutscenes even for mundane quests, delves/solo content and more... There's already tens of thousands of things new players will be missing when they view their mount and appearance options and having the new trading post mount isn't even going to help unless its like THE mount which it probably won't be. Curseforge/approved addons should be visible to other players, so you can inspect each others loaded addons in-game. They do not need to disable addons or reduce the number of buttons it's not the problem with the game. The problem is that people are feeling forced to participate in content that practically requires addons and 30+ keybinds in order to attempt to get a sense of accomplishment. Imagine being "bad" at the game and grinding for BiS for PvE or PvP, now take in account just how good a lot of players and groups are. Getting skill-gapped feels bad but it will always exist at max level especially... Which is why they never should have sabotaged LOW LEVEL BG's... THATS HOW I GOT INTO PVP!!!... Anyways like I said, Solo path to BiS because nobody cares and those who do can keep running keys and organizing raids in peace.
To your points. 1. (Gear) I dont mind the gearing up process in its simple terms, but having to read entire guides on how the system works is bad design. Its also bad design if I don't understand something that it becomes a long wait to fix it. Progress is good, I would argue its to quick, but having 4 different reagents level it is bad. There is so much complexity to the gearing that it becomes less fun 2. (Skill) I agree there has to be a challenge, but modern Wow is crazy bad in this. I would say that if I have to download 15 addons just to be marginally competitive that is a design issue, in addition I lose half my screen real estate to these addons, plus micro CC etc. It is way to much. I would also argue easy can be very successful, Classic WoW, most shooters, plunderstorm etc. Bloat and 20 trackers doesn't mean its better. 3. (Social) Agree. 4. (Financial) I don't think it should ever go to free to play.
I don't think WoW is doing anything too wrong. I have played WoW for 2005 until now. I quit this year. I didn't quit because the game was bad. I still watch and consume the WoW content. I just don't participate myself anymore. Maybe I got too old. I lost some vision in one of my eyes and just can't be as good as I used to be. WoW isn't fun too me if you are less good at it. Being good is a prerequisite for me to play the game and I don't feel I'm good enough to play it anymore. Oddly enough people are saying PoE 2 is kind of hard but I find it easier than WoW for me currently. I think WoW is doing great. It just isn't for me to play anymore.
Too many key binds. I tried coming back after years off and even though it was my old key binds, it was still very hard to pick up and start playing again. Wasn’t fun, so I stopped. Even with all these other barriers, I would try it again if less key binds were required.
I think they should change gearing a character to gearing your warband. With the recent changes I like 12 out of the 13 classes. I want to play those 12 classes, but I don't want to grind the same thing 12 times. Nor do I have the time to grind for 12 characters. I dislike the idea of only playing alts from a certain point in a season. I'm not sure skill is the issue. It's about the information you need to be skilful. WoW can't be played without addons. Or at least not at a decent level when doing higher content like HC/Mythic Raid, higher M+, rated pvp. I'm not sure giving players that information is the way. When I look at streams there is too much information on the screen that you need to keep track off. I would prefer that skill is more about execution and less about keeping track of all information. For me each it's already enough keeping track on what's happening with my character, with the mobs, with my cd's, with the general state of the group. For me it is too much to also track the cd's of group, of mobs and so on. WoW feels more and more like a KPI dashboard than a game. I would prefer to move away from the dashboard and not increase the dashboard. My best experiences in WoW were from the social aspect. But these experiences were also from many years ago. The best were back in vanilla. My last great social experience was in BFA. Since than I find it harder and harder to enjoy the social aspect of WoW. Maybe because the world changed, maybe because different generations are playing. I don't know. I only know that I really liked (to solo) Delves for the first few weeks and hated M+ when I changed to that content. I think Blizzard can get the social aspect back if they really want it. For example change to or add battletag to guilds. Hire people again to do the customer service and punish all toxic behaviour. Make Discord an option instead of a necessity to play the game. They should add WoW to the game pass as a first step. Or for example till level 60 with game pass.
Fix the queu system asap, give healers a small increase on rating in 3-3 Lobby's when they have to deal with a full green DPS who goes 0 wins while other dps get 4 wins. Gear is the most easy ive ever seen xD. Skill you get from practice, so back to the quicker queu's. And give way bigger gold rewards in PVP/PVE. We want to login and be able to play the game in 5-10min max queu's, not 15-40min queu's. Whatever you gotta do to fix the queu's :D do iiit, even if its unbalanced ^^.
What if they scrapped Cromie timewalking for wow2 and made it so you actually go back to that expansion with those drs and spells lol and u could fight other classes from different expansions. Tbc rogue vs tww evoker let’s gooo….
never had to craft so much crap in order to get the most optimal stats, dragonflight fucked up introducing that system, tww took it to a whole new level with cost of mats.. even weapon enchants are redic
Gotta pay for skill capped guides sub to even get a ui that makes sense for arena. Either that or spend hours upon hours to learn how a dozen different addons work to set up a ui that ends up just looking like bloatware. The game fees like World of Addons sometimes.
I’m not best Pvper lol hell I’m stuck at 1500 in blitz😂 but the crying about skill, gear, time, etc.. is crazy. I chose one of the hardest classes to main. You don’t see me crying.
Tbh I think the game was healthiest when classes were Brocken. People want to feel good and what does that? A brain dead class/spec hunter bm. If you don’t have time to play and maintain skill this game is tough. Get on and then you can get cc’d and still kill the opponents. That’s the missing piece. New players need a fun easy class. This isn’t the right answer but this is the correct answer. You need to have a solid entry level play style that people can try it out and see if wow is for them. But if you balance the game out like now. It comes down to knowledge and experience to make the game enjoyable. Baiting the precog Chain cc Deminishing returns It’s a lot to take In and learn to act without thinking
I don't feel connected with my characters anymore.warbands have ruined the sense of care I have for one character. I can level a new character over the weekend 1-80 there's nothing special about characters anymore they're just meaningless
Part of the problem is getting new players, or like me returning players back into PVP, when you play the unrated random BG's they are plagued in the EU with full complete premade Russian troll teams. This has started happening due to the PVP servers being merged, how do I know they are full pre-made teams, well its a bit of a giveaway when all 25 players in an Epic BG have Cyrillic names and servers. I have recorded this and sent ticket after ticket , Blizz don't care . When you wait 10 mins for a game to have a full premade all on TS constantly wipe the floor with your team, its not a fun experience, most of us work, we don't have all day to waste what game time we have being farmed If you want to go pre-made great, go ranked premade against better players like yourself, who will offer you a challenge, but don't troll standard Randoms, that's sad , low self esteem, bully boy, bullshit End result lots of players just right it off, those players would progress to Ranked, but now they dont, no new influx of new players in ranked, ever diminishing numbers, longer ques The other BIG issue are and barriers to getting people into the PVP is the gear, even the weekly rewards for the PVP quest at the moment gives PVE gear, PVP gear has to be ground out slowly and I mean slowly and when you do put the hours in to get it, then have some of the items crafted because the stats are the opposite to many specs, after all those hours, its still garbage in higher end PVE. Yet the 630 raid gear for any ranged dps especially ( casters included ) can be used in PVP to great effect adding Vers from other sources I came back after 14 years of playing from day 1, from Knight Champion ranking in Vanilla, 10's of thousands of hours played, to game that spilts everything into 10 currencies , what use are bloody tokens after you get a few items, and only a few because of the lack of stat choices, none they have zero use, Conquest rewards are disgustingly slow your better farming the War chests in open world half the time, IF YOU MAKE IT NO FUN, STUPIDLY COMPLICATED AND A WASTE OF YOUR GAMING TIME, THEY LEAVE, AND OOO LOOK MILLIONS HAVE LEFT If you would like the 30 something screen shots taken over this month alone of the trolling premades, let me know, ill send them directly, Blizz make sure you cant post any proof on the forums
There’s no sense of progression in pvp. The progress I make in season 1 is pointless in season 2 as I need to gear completely again. We have dozens upon dozens of questing zones that after we breeze through to max level we never return. I used to love nazjatar pvp event every week, it brought everyone back to the zone for pvp. Now the PvP community is even smaller and PvP in open world is dead.
Theres so much bloat in the game, button bloat, health pool and ilvl bloat, pvp game mode bloat, overall game mode bloat PVE, game version bloat (classic SOD, Classic Hardcore, Classic Cata, Plunderstorm, WoW remix, que time bloat, add on bloat.
I hate to say it but RBGs feels dead since Blitz. I dont play an MMO to play Solo I want to play with friends. The game has become overly complicated, Solo for PvPers (For those of us who hate arena there is not much else). Due to this ima gonna pop in maybe 1 day a week if that. Just not having fun anymore, I think CorePunk is going to be my home game once its officially released.
Unless you're an addict, you aint gonna pay monthly fee to be in a hour long que, that's truth
thats why you play tank/healer
@@raiemie7365 I see prot pally here 😂😂
crafting gear and enchanting gear costs way too much gold
The rafting gear is annoying too, you have to to have professions in order to recraft
Just make a mining/herbalism character, pop one of the potions that show extra nodes, fly around gathering every node on sight. Fly around any zone you want, I just fly around outside dorn. You'll get 75k-125k per hour depending on your profession level. Crafting is just annoying cause you have to learn how to craft for pvp and pve and it confuses the average ungabunga brain doing all the crest conversions and adding in other mats... but once you get it down its not bad.. but it is annoying and I could see it stopping multitudes of people from playing.. but complaining about gold is insane. I was always a brokie getting by selling arena carrys a few hundred gold a win... this xpac making gold is the easiest shit ever... just gather stuff.
Then you don't do that, it really doesn't matter
Yeah I’m so annoyed by the crafting that in defiance I don’t have any crafting gear on most of my toons after being tired of it on my first one. Don’t got the gold for it.
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I agree about addons.
The fact that we need SO MANY addons to make sense of the systems in the game is a huge sore spot for wow. And I love installing and configuring addons.
There's too much hidden info that'd too difficult to make sense of.
As for too many buttons for shaman... they've tried to fix this, what? 3 times in the past? They need to chill on the totem sub theme. They're annoying to use.
They love totems, never understood it personally, but yeah it contributes to button bloat aignificantly
It's 20 years old half baked game 😂😂
You only need maybe 3 max
WoW is no longer an MMO. I feel zero character progression. Season starts, I work for a few weeks, watch my ilvl go up, get 2k in some bracket until next season. Nothing matters. It's not what it used to be.
Well that's the problem with most MMO's when you hit max level. You get what you need and then nothing else matters. It basically comes down to if you enjoy playing the game, regardless of the game.
That seems like it’s a you problem as much as anything else
This is the problem with xpacs. They clear the slate every 2 years and create this feeling. I quite playing a couple months ago for that exact sentiment. Shouldnt be xpacs, only continuations to the story. I think this is also why there story telling is so horrible
I think maybe it’s you that has changed. I strongly recommend you play a game because the gameplay is fun, not because you’re chasing a carrot on a stick.
I would instantly quit wow if the actual game itself wasn’t fun regardless of gear upgrades. Gear is just a means to an end. The end being having fun PvPing.
Practice and try to get higher rating? That's the point of rated pvp
Biggest thing for me is that to prog, it feels like a part time job.
With RuneScape you login for 15-20 minutes you can make progress
With wow it’s 2-3 hour raids or 1 hour long m+ (getting the people and then doing the m+)
With pvp super lo no ques, and it’s common for healers to just rage quit losing lobbies, or someone DCs
That’s understandable, but that’s hardly a retail only problem
Having monthly sub cost is definitely one of biggest things, I would play more but sometimes i dont feel like playing wow for few days or weeks but if I'm not playing i feel like I'm wasting money so i just dont play at all
Bro it’s 15$… 😳 just don’t play anymore at all if that’s enough to stop you should be free to play
@@cp3844 dumb take. thats why the game you like is dying lmao.
@@ImperviouslyGamingPretty reasonable tbh, monthly sub ontop of expansion purchases, I’d argue to keep expansion purchases but make it free instead of a monthly cost.
@ Correction, the game I love 🤓
Most games are actually inherently simple, at least in how they are operated. Only MMOs have this weird obsession where more buttons = more skill. It got so out of hand that an entire subclass of gaming mice had to be brought to market specifically for MMOs.
Simplicity is under appreciated and I would consider it a good thing to get back to Legion levels of buttons.
Legion had many buttons too, maybe it was less than now but it was still way more complex than your average game. I remember some classes, despite the fewer buttons, being especially unforgiving in Legion. Less buttons doesn't mean a lot if you have to pay more attention to your CD's which are also up faster.
I honestly think League of Legends does a great job at making many unique characters with just 4 buttons (one of which is the WoW equivalent of a CD). They are easy to distinguish and you can wrap your head around what they can do quite easily. WoW for example doesn't even have skillshots or other fun gameplay elements which LoL had for a decade now.
For me Classic is way too simple and flawed from Class perspective, but past Cata it also became too much. I don't think your active abilities (including CD's) should exceed the number 5.
Retail wow has no soul
Explain
I think the thing that makes the game feel unappealing is the way you gear up so quickly, you don't feel like you're progressively getting stronger. You finally get BiS and you have 2-4 weeks until the next season begins. It makes it feel like a constant loop, maybe it's just me but when I got a simple green item in classic it was dopamine, now ur 7 epics first week. I'd also agree that the time you sit in Q is too long for how much available time we have.
Adding talent trees to professions was such a mind bogglingly stupid idea
Not stupid at all, just because you don’t like it or it might have not been implemented correctly doesn’t make the idea itself a stupid one
I think it's awesome
removing combat addons would immediately improve the gameplay and viewing experience
The time investment for gearing is huge for me...I don't have much time to play, I only do arena...yet to be competitive you need to be on top of gearing and have to start that sh**t over ever season.
I would say it’s the easiest it’s ever been to gear for pvp time investment wise
Yes and thats the point its still piss poor@@christopherfaulkner5821
@@christopherfaulkner5821yeah it’s actually been so easy that if anything THAT has bothered me lol have no idea what this guy is talking about and why I can barely ever take negative people seriously 🥱
What if I don't want to interact with anyone else...
then you don't have to, but it's odd to play an MMORPG without wanting to talk or socialize with anyone.
@@iv9ry Back in the day I used to play with my family and few other people we knew. They've all long since departed. I'm also in a far different spot in my life than I was when I was raiding and chain running dungeons for badges. Now I need to be able to walk away (without notice) and you simply can't expect a group to wait for you.
The game needs a huge system overhaul. I will for the first time look for my PvP in other games. Unless my arena partner comes back to push glad around christmas. But I have 0 incentive to play right now because of queue times.
I think the gameplay is a massive barrier right now, people who are more advanced proabbly don't see it but for casuals, the ones that wow aimed towards from the beginning, can struggle with the CC style gameplay. I believe that if warcraft went with a more cd style play and reduced the amount of cc and interrupts then it would be a lot more accessible and fun for new players, not being able to control a character for ages is not fun at all.
Fix inflation!
I'm sick of playing the first 2 months at 1700 playing 2200 games...
Think this is more a skill issue , u start with 1800 mmr with a fresh toon , climbing to 1950 in greens is very doable
Hitted 1780 on First day of seas bro. 2 months 1.7 is not an mmr issue
Interesting, I've been a duelist every season since BFA and I'm 2200 now.
Must be a skill issue.
@@the1beetsy No there was def an MMR problem from launch that dissipated too slow till now.
I hit 1950 on my hunter and was met with consistent 20-30 minute queue times. I thought the 10-15 minute queue times were excessive, but the long queues killed it for me.
I think you’re right on the money supa. WoW has some of the most unique gameplay I’ve ever experienced, but the amount of time it takes to learn the game systems, how to be effective with your classes and synergize with your teammates, it’s a mountain to climb. I’d stream my gameplay to my casual wow friends and they were just overloaded.
I disagree though, Game is easy and 1950 is casual af.. congrats though =)... but we have an issue when we start pandering to idiots and wanting the game to be dumbed down for a small minority of people who just dont have that dog in them required thats gonna make them become a longtime player like some of us. If you do got that dog in ya, you'll go thru your first 300 hours being trash and start to learn and get better.. We could kill the game by dumbing it down and then the idiots they pandered too just leave anyways cause thats what the type of players who cry for easy stuff do, easy is never easy enough for these people.
@@austin4990 I agree that they shouldn't simplify too much. But as it stands right now, there are too many barriers to get into PVP. Between the game knowledge, gearing process, and learning your class, it is a steep learning curve. As it stands right now, there isn't a lot of incentive to learn pvp.
Something needs to change if we want the game to stay healthy in the long term. We should welcome fresh blood into pvp and give them an on ramp that doesn't have such a steep knowledge requirement. Telling a newbie that you have to get your teeth kicked in for 300 hours before it gets fun doesn't sound like a good proposition lol.
@@burtimus7228 Alot of pvp knowledge comes with time atleast in arenas... you arent learning how to properly macro across classes and using [target= x] stuff. The only thing I could possibly think they could do to make it easy for bad andy's and to keep the gameplay fun, which it is right now, and its not even hard in the slightest.. mop had way more skill expression.. would be to rework targeting somehow. I can tell when im gearing an alt exactly how some healers are playing.. They arent even looking at whats on their screen, and are clicking frames to heal lmao. Simplify targeting not dumb down required game knowledge, you only gotta remember like 20 things tops if that lmao... its not like its league of legends. Also if you are one of these casual players healing... For the love of god keybind your party member 1 2 3 to your mousewheel so you can move and actually rotate spells on friendlys at the same time that your moving.
Completely disagree on the UI/AddOns part. They just need to be removed. No AddOns for pvp. It would make the game way more interesting. Instead of just looking at your addons you'd have to look at the animations to try and figure out what is going on.
But when its so easy why Not playing in awc?
@@chris92like1 I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying it's unfair. The game should be able to stand on its own legs. It's also lazy by blizzard. You should be able to tell from the animations when a dangerous spell is being cast. It makes the game better and more immersive.
Also lol I'm not gonna waste my entire life in front of a screen playing a stupid video game so that I can become the best at it. For me it's something I play every now and then to relax.
@@mithrandirthegrey7644Someone has soiled their diaper
They need to either remove addons or incorporate the addons into the game. It’s annoying that I suck more because someone has help
Just download it too. Its like having a car . U can live without it but why should u ?
Keybinding and addons are my real problem with the game. Too many macros that can play for you or take advantage of mechanics, like the rogues who macro shadowstep/kick into grappling instantly back to target. Things like that ruin it, takes all the skill away from making a move like that.
I also refuse to use addons but recount. Managed over 2500 and top 50 afflic lock in bg blitz and I had never broke 2k before DF. You SHOULD have to pay attention to see someone blow cd's and not just have some addon telling you exactly what button to hit and when.
Congrats on your achievement but blitz raiting means nothing
@ObliteratorPvP funny you say that. I dont play this game for you or anyone else. I play for my own enjoyment and that rating DOES mean something to me. It ain't getting me into the awc but I wasn't trying lol. Appreciate the congrats though
@@fogismaximus lol that’s sounds bad azz sheesh but I’m confuse on the grappling part. I main combat rogue. As a combat rogue we don’t have Shadowstep only Grappling hook. So I’m not sure how that rogue grappled back. Maybe he use his second shadow step to get back.
@@ObliteratorPvPPeople said the same thing about shocked when it first came out. 🤷♀️
@adamstreetboyzz think it's specifically an outlaw thing. Saw it a while back on different streams
Crest is def a problem. 90 piece for a craft is just beyond time tanking crazy. Because of that I give up M+ completely and now I only play raid and pvp, while my guildies ridicules(kindly) me not farming them for progress. I told them I will never touch M+ again unless significant improvements happen.
The complexity of classes doesn't has to revolve around the 1000 buttons rule. They could have genuinely removed many abilities in the past that were borderline useless or unnecessary. They could make the specs customisable and make it so that you have to choose between certain abilities, maybe to the extent where some meta builds won't include Divine Shield for Paladins even.
The design decisions leading to the current overcomplexity issues of Retail began more than 10 years ago, but they still don't care about solving the issue. Compress the gameplay of specs, you don't need all the abilities to be active or be made available.
I just honestly think 20+ keybinds were never justified in this game, even when I look back at past expansions.
I think you'd like gw2 or tnl
@@MrCarlWax I was never interested in those games. I play fantasy games for the fantasy, which in WoW's case hooked me in. I never got an interest in Final Fantasy for the same reason.
I'd add to the gear, that while it is easy to gear with conquest and honor, the conquest limitation restricts you from experimenting with different gear, secondary stats, etc. As you can get one piece of gear a week, you MUST get your BIS one, to not fall behind. You are kinda forced to watch streamers, guides to know what (potentially) the best build is going to be and copy them.
Also, major balance changes during the season may require you to go for a different kind of build, including secondary stats, making your already purchased gear bad.
Naturally, the above points are "solved" by removing the conquest cap, but that happens way too late in the season imo.
Yeah ngl next season I’m just going to PvE until conquest is uncapped because having to figure out PvP BiS on a week by week basis is actually annoying.
Wow needs to go back to it's roots as a MMORPG.
If it isn't now, when was it ever?
In game tutorial stuff is SO OBVIOUSLY NEEDED. Why is no1 else talking about this! Geez, can we get a scuffed arena tutorial like HOTS has with Uther or smth
i agree with some of the comments around the skill section. If a class has more then 18 unique skills as part of their tool kit to be effective makes it complicated to play. You need to create macros/scipts & use addons just to play the class effective.
I'd like to see more multi function skills that allow players to sting smaller sets of skills together in different ways to change the results. for example using 2 skills unlocks high crit chance of a 3rd skill for 5 seconds allowing us to plan stings of combos to achieve a desired result.
Where ive seen this in game, its changes how i use skills, and plan for end results. WW monk is a good example, can use 7 skills in different ways that feels like 20 separate end results.
What was the point of warbands? Aside from the login screen I have seen no benefit or change to gearing characters.
To help translate the "skill" issue. Yes it's add-ons but a lot of it is how complicated some of the specs are.
I love Sub. It's my favorite spec in the game and it's a blast to play... until I do Arenas, when if I forget one of my CD's or my teammates don't know how to play with me it's basically an auto-loss, simply because I don't have the skill to make the class work like an R1 player.
Button bloat is one thing, but I think the talent trees, modifier, buffs, procs etc.. have gone way off the deep end. You often have like 20+ buffs and procs at anyone time, that is way to much to handle. Plus with the trees you will often have multiple specs for solo, 2s, 3s, bgs, m+, raids etc... then add on different stat priorities depending on the content its way too much, plus alts plus trying to understand what your teammates/opponents have. I would much prefer to keep button count, but simplify the trees, something more similar to the MoP trees is actually more fun IMO.
Its the complete detachment from your character thats the biggest problem. Look at the connection you had to your character in original wow compared to now.
It felt like you were spending time getting your character as good as it can be, it was a challenge but it was satisfying.
Wait what PvP weekly quest is in Azj-Kahet?!
Queue times are killing pvp. There have been many ideas thrown out there to increase healer participation. Blizzard simply does not care.
One other barrier I think worth mentioning is performance. WoW used to be playable on pretty much any PC, the current game is unplayable on a PC that is only a few years old.
I don’t know if its really the addons as much as people think. It seems like alot of people who feel like they can’t compete or learn are just sick of going against veterans who know every spec, and play 12 different alts. I’ve brought friends to the game and they don’t stand a chance against players like that in any content, even casual random bgs (filled with premades now) or bg blitz.
It wasn’t that hard to get my friends set up with addons but they can’t even comprehend how fast the game moves in pvp. The only time addons become extremely powerful in pvp is when you have so much knowledge about every single buff/debuff/cooldown in the game.
The game is just so incredibly unintuitive for new players, or even intermediate players trying to learn, I’ve seen it first hand.
What do people think of a gladiator's saddle, like the vicious saddle but allow players at a gladiator level farm for vicious saddles and actually be able to collect the glad mounts throughout the years if your good enough.
It would still be super difficult to obtain, especially in today's day and age but i think it would encourage alot of people to come back.
Would be a vocal group for sure mad about rereleasing old seasonal stuff but its time i think.
For some reason it's still faster to weekly cap your character in PvP in cata classic than in retail.. 10 wins or less in any bracket... Conquest rewards in most brackets are so low it's not even worth the time playing the bracket at all...
war mode makes the social isolated by default. it's like silent hill, it's so depressing that you know there are people that you will never see in the same server because of war mode.
It costs waaaaaaay too much to gear alts. Especially since blizz let bots kill market for gathering materials. People who just played 1 character made millions on bloodstones, but those of us gearing alts spent as much. Now that I'm all geared up on my toons, bloodstones have tanked from 6k to 3k bc blizz shuffled 75% of the playerbase to a bunch of classic variants while retail rots.
Nailed it. I’ve got 7 geared toons that I try to enjoy some casual pvp with (mostly epics).. cost me a damn fortune to enchant them. Beyond ridiculous for new & casual players. Funnelling ppl to buy wow tokens. 🤮
Please just for the love of god remove all the stupid unnecessary systems in the game. Bring back wrath level gearing and currencies where you have 2 types of pve currencies, honor, and arena points. No one, literally no one likes the new systems for gearing, crafting, gemming, etc. they bring nothing to the game but an additional barrier to entry.
I like it
Hard capping mmr after playing arena for a few hours week 1 had me to not playing much of season 1 at all. If everyone including r1's and 100x multiglads are bottlenecked at low rating early in the season there's no reason to even que up.
Relying on addons is one problem. Enjoying play with addons and then having them break from a game update having you not want to play until the addon is upgraded is another problem.
I’d like a pvp hearing system like swtor had. Give us shells for each piece of gear and we put whatever stats in it. Set pieces included
I don't really have keybinds or even macros which I still haven't been able to learn.
1. 2. 3. *BRING BACK REFORGING!* Those are my first three wishes, one for each word. Very important. Next little more text but TLDR, more gear choice in PvP, more interesting gear. A cookie cutter set will reign supreme in top .5%, but choice is good for longevity whenever you aren't pushing your max, duelling, WPvP, bgs etc.
4. Bring back emblem style vendors or at least more gear choices from the PvP vendors, more fun trinkets & other gear mechanics, and survivability vs. Damage!
But I loved how we could do content for gear, and then have a separate avenue of guaranteed gear over time. Interesting and strong PvE trinkets from the vendor could be used in PvP with a clear power increase at the cost of survivability, but it was obtainable by everybody. I always hated PvE gear in PvP unless it was vendor gear bought with currency farmed in M+/Delves or potentially even obtainable from there to some extent so everyone at least are basically guaranteed to be able to get it at some point at their own pace and *_not require doing stuff like Heroic/Mythic raiding_* like Cata with Boomkin/Locks/Rogue etc.
with regards to the financials, if the game does go Free To Play. You're right the participation will explode, the structure will then to monetize the brand like LoL is doing with netflix series, movies, merch, Esports. WoW will have to do the same thing. We've had this conversation every single Xpansion. I think this is the only viable solution. to save things like PvP.
I asked around IRL & Online aswell.
WoW is great, but look to advanced especially PvE not that I care for PvE. But when that is said the game is overly complicated to look at, fun to play but to many i met and talked to says the game looks way to comlpex; So many buttons to press, so much Aura; the phase of the games; life spikes up and down.
can ofcourse be learned but then the learning curve is HUGE for new players. Watch Xaryu Dueling Grubby, is a good example. And grubby has experience from PC gaming. (and its in Classic, which is far more simple)
But a great HOT topic to bring up Supa, I agree with ur points I dont necessarily agree with my own statement this is simply just the feedback I have recieved.
They don't need to make the game simpler, they just need to not allow add-ons. The need for external resources in every aspect of this game sends both new and old players packing their bags.
It has last the "MMO" feel, its just a game that you log into to que into something else. Feels terrible.
The problem with skill is mmr Supatease. R1 ppl were around 2.3-4k for the majority of the season. That says it all.
Tired of doing the exact same gear grind every single season . It feels like your progress is always completely reset so everything you do seems like a waste of time
Are we still talking about WotLK?
Just jumped back in to SS to try and get the transmog, hoping that at least the inflation made it worthwhile to try now. Still not worth it. This is absolutely ridiculous. As someone who prefers healing in pvp this is totally unsustainable. I don't understand how they don't recognize the problem and do something about it. It's been this way for YEARS. I seriously hate playing PVP now. At least stop punishing healers and make it worthwhile to play. This is such a blatant and consistent F you from Blizzard that it completely negates their recent efforts to "listen to the player base".
I think one of the biggest issues with wow is the wrong conception Blizzard has with MMOs. There's a distinct lack of consistency. What is the point of playing a game and developing a character only for it to get wiped in every season/expansion. You see this in a micro scale with this season's pvp. Inflation has caused rewards to not feel as rewarding. Gladiator doesn't mean what it used to mean. The accomplishments we make in game are getting less substantial.
the issue is that the game does a horrible job telling you what you did wrong. it's difficult to tell what win conditions are. when an enemy pops a offensive cd that will kill you, the only thing telling you that they popped that cd is a fuckin icon above their health bar.
well, was fun the first 2-3 weeks, then it feels like there is nothing new really since dragon flight (except the zones of course). Been playing classic wow for a week and the leveling is so much more fun when you are not in a hurry. I think we need a WoW 2.0 with classic mechanics, gearing, class design etc. Could be in Azeroth but older times like in Warcraft 1 or Warcraft 2.
19 years, 70k hours - This was the only xpac i disliked
Blizzard decided to artificially and directly control the playerbases behaviour, In many ways, Including, But not limited to
- deserter debuff for leaving at any point of a dungeon
- getting. Suspension for leaving a depleted key in mythic+
- suspension for being reported by multiple people ( without a human being viewing their interactions )
PvP players have quit en masse because of solo shuffle ( and the other rated modes ) horrible changes to rating. It took the best Warlock in the world, A month, to achieve Gladiator
Then theres the braindead whales in the community, Who are the reason nothing gets better, And again, Many reasons why. A good example this xpac, Was how many people requested a difficult endgame PvE challenge for solo content… And the mindless response and defence of said whales, Was “ THATS WHAT DELVES WILL BE FOR “
So where is it? Wheres the Mage Tower esque challenge? Exactly
Just let it die. Marvel rivals is a good example of new waves of games, Doing it better, With what people want
I know you probably think im just being an asshole… But i do love the Universe of Warcraft. Enough is simply enough. The game wont be what people want, If people keep playing and dickriding
If you needed someone who no lifed WoW, To tell you its ok to leave now - This is it
Thats why my 17 yr old son doesnt want to play, is because of the monthly sub
Crazy cause almost Everything is a sub this days. Netflix, Prime, onlyfans, gamepass, every ugly battlepass out there kinda too
I agree with addons.
The default UI and what it tracks - is so bad - that it REQUIERES you to go external.
I paid for SkillCapped UI setup because it is just so much easier to just plug and play rather than spending hours setting omniCD - Weak-auras - etc.
To me the default UI and it SHOULD look like is somewhat like any Classic UI with the AWC frames for arenas.
You can SEEEE.
Having a screen like Cdew for exemple - is just non sense. Sure does work for him - and god knows how much this guy can track things - but it is just way too overwhelming.
You shouldn't need to rely on external addons to track spells and such.
Back in the day - animation - sounds - matching your CD timers was your way to track stuff. Not 50 weakauras fulling your screen.
Can't blame people not looking to play the game if to do so, you need 20 hours of tutorials and guide.
Classes with too many buttons are also VERY BAD for the game.
5-6 buttons you constantly need to push is perfect.
Disc : Renew - Shield - Penance - Radiance - Smite - SWP
Simple - Fun - every single one has a meaning and impact.
Play resto shaman ? Spam Riptide and try to find your other buttons that are just cooldowns over cooldowns over cooldowns.
Awefull. Hate playing my resto sham.
Im a pvp player 17 years multiple glad mounts. Yet every season i need to buy gold. SL was the worst with 500k legos. Most pvp players are broke. we need ways to make money. This expansion i lv herb and mining. I make 100k a hour first week now im at 20k per hour and going down. Blizzard gave us 50 extra conquest like a gift from god.
Ion to devs:
Write that down!
Write that down!
The problem with solo q is u do solo q and people don't do reg 3s
I'm mainly subbed for classic wow at this point.
-Retail as a dps pvp player means long ques to have people rage quit and have que time reset.
-Addons are too much. I've played since vanilla... even for me it's overkill what you need to be on a level playing field.
-Everything feels bloated. Most people have tons of mounts, tons of titles, tons of transmog... nothing feels special or impressive anymore.
I feel like the game needs a total reboot with a time jump to the future or past. (Or a whole new unrelated world) Everyone starts again with nothing. It can be a similar or same UI and feel as WoW. But make it like Vanilla where no one is "The Savior of Azeroth" and you're just part of a big world. If you get a green or blue item... you actually get excited and a purple item makes your entire week.
Just my thoughts.
I could sit and complain about warcraft all day, but I am so jaded to moan about the things they are and arent fixing. I am defo going to try PoE 2 for a bit. I came to the realisation last week that most of my wow time was chores and repetitive tasks rather than just playing for fun. FOMO is worse than ever too, i miss interesting stat and character building too.
I've had a couple friends try WoW for the first time after leaving FFXIV and they had massive trouble understanding the game. The first thing was that Exile's Reach shows the basic fundamentals of the game, but there is nothing that teaches intermediate or end-game content. They had no idea on what a specialization even was.
Second problem was that once you leave Exile's Reach the game directs you to Timewalking campaigns, and they had NO idea which one to do, what was most efficient or interesting. Timewalking campaigns were made in mind of veteran players and it seemed to conflict and confuse my friends with just starting your leveling experience in Dragonflight.
The first-time player experience was extremely overwhelming and these are people with experience in other MMOs, imagine trying to get someone into the genre for the first time. I think even Classic WoW is easier to digest, coming from a retail player.
What happened to just exploring and having fun?
I knew nothing starting in late legion. I had a blast. I didnt even know mythic+ was a thing until mid bfa. In shadowlands i raided heroic with an awesome guild.
Why do people expect to know what's the best and most efficient route on your first time ever.
There is no mmo in the world that does that well. Just mess about and enjoy it.
Lmao I tried FF and I was beyond confused. It didn't even help me out at all. From the start I had to figure out my own shit.
Addons are definitely an issue. They almost feel like cheating at this point because they provide such a drastic level of information, quality of life, and advantages. It’s to the point where players even in casual modes will troll you for not having things like BGE or Healers must die. And don’t get me started on weak auras.
The biggest Issue overall is time/results.... time/ reward... People will spend money anyways as peoples egos are always an exploit. In the end time/results is frustrating and I admit it is the best it has been. But it is not enough. Time/Reward not everyone has Glad like skills or the time to practice to eventually get them and most people grind for nothing and end up leaving. Cuz there are games that have more immediate rewards like League of Legends.
Keep the subscription, remove the box price.
Unrated pvp (bgs, epics & wpvp too possibly) should 💯 be a level playing field. Just make honor gear the max level gear in those circumstances & I think participation in unrated pvp would start to flourish slowly. Let the sweaty nerds grind out their conquest gear for rated pvp & give them badass rewards!
Less buttons, less abilities on global cool down so hitting the less buttons feels better, and either redo systems to not need addons or do away with addons
Moved on to PoE 2
First time I agree with u in everything. Good job man
The UI/Addons make the game so ugly and complicated. Setting up 10+ addons, 10+ macros, and 30+keybinds isn't fun. Gearing ruined pvp for me because other players understood the gearing and I didn't and I started getting stomped and losing mmr by better geared players. I returned to the game after a 3+ year break and it feels like an entirely different game wearing wows skin.
Had to put wow down, too much time and no reward for the time spent. Waiting simulator just to get into anything meaningful, bored out of my mind. Going for POE2 for now and hoping blizz makes some positive changes for the future.
Wow is just complicated you need addons to track so many abilities both in pvp and pve. It clutters your screen too much on top of the the reworks and "balancing". You can be in a solid state then boom they buff another class and now your worse than before.
Queue times are insane 20 to 45 min for dps in 1800 to 2000 mmrr just to plays 6 3 minute max rounds. It's just not fun that's the real problem.
Get rid of add ons, completely level the playing field.
People will hate to hear this but they need A solo path to BiS just like there's a Solo path to max level. Item rewards should be almost entirely aesthetic with very few and seldom exceptions. Tier gear needs to be upgradable to BiS for both pve and pvp, at least separately, and also through whatever content they want. Forcing people to play a certain way so they can stand around afk in BiS is outdated and nobody cares unless you're in instanced content. LFR for example should just give everyone instance only BiS gear, upon entry. They need to stop the majority of FOMO events and such, and simply focus on making a more action packed and appealing realistic and immersive story/play-through for a mature audience, meaning quality cutscenes even for mundane quests, delves/solo content and more... There's already tens of thousands of things new players will be missing when they view their mount and appearance options and having the new trading post mount isn't even going to help unless its like THE mount which it probably won't be. Curseforge/approved addons should be visible to other players, so you can inspect each others loaded addons in-game. They do not need to disable addons or reduce the number of buttons it's not the problem with the game. The problem is that people are feeling forced to participate in content that practically requires addons and 30+ keybinds in order to attempt to get a sense of accomplishment. Imagine being "bad" at the game and grinding for BiS for PvE or PvP, now take in account just how good a lot of players and groups are. Getting skill-gapped feels bad but it will always exist at max level especially... Which is why they never should have sabotaged LOW LEVEL BG's... THATS HOW I GOT INTO PVP!!!... Anyways like I said, Solo path to BiS because nobody cares and those who do can keep running keys and organizing raids in peace.
To your points. 1. (Gear) I dont mind the gearing up process in its simple terms, but having to read entire guides on how the system works is bad design. Its also bad design if I don't understand something that it becomes a long wait to fix it. Progress is good, I would argue its to quick, but having 4 different reagents level it is bad. There is so much complexity to the gearing that it becomes less fun 2. (Skill) I agree there has to be a challenge, but modern Wow is crazy bad in this. I would say that if I have to download 15 addons just to be marginally competitive that is a design issue, in addition I lose half my screen real estate to these addons, plus micro CC etc. It is way to much. I would also argue easy can be very successful, Classic WoW, most shooters, plunderstorm etc. Bloat and 20 trackers doesn't mean its better. 3. (Social) Agree. 4. (Financial) I don't think it should ever go to free to play.
I don't think WoW is doing anything too wrong. I have played WoW for 2005 until now. I quit this year. I didn't quit because the game was bad. I still watch and consume the WoW content. I just don't participate myself anymore. Maybe I got too old. I lost some vision in one of my eyes and just can't be as good as I used to be. WoW isn't fun too me if you are less good at it.
Being good is a prerequisite for me to play the game and I don't feel I'm good enough to play it anymore. Oddly enough people are saying PoE 2 is kind of hard but I find it easier than WoW for me currently.
I think WoW is doing great. It just isn't for me to play anymore.
I play the entire game with a controller using the consoleport addon. I hope they never remove addons like that.
Too many key binds. I tried coming back after years off and even though it was my old key binds, it was still very hard to pick up and start playing again. Wasn’t fun, so I stopped. Even with all these other barriers, I would try it again if less key binds were required.
I think they should change gearing a character to gearing your warband. With the recent changes I like 12 out of the 13 classes. I want to play those 12 classes, but I don't want to grind the same thing 12 times. Nor do I have the time to grind for 12 characters. I dislike the idea of only playing alts from a certain point in a season.
I'm not sure skill is the issue. It's about the information you need to be skilful. WoW can't be played without addons. Or at least not at a decent level when doing higher content like HC/Mythic Raid, higher M+, rated pvp. I'm not sure giving players that information is the way. When I look at streams there is too much information on the screen that you need to keep track off. I would prefer that skill is more about execution and less about keeping track of all information. For me each it's already enough keeping track on what's happening with my character, with the mobs, with my cd's, with the general state of the group. For me it is too much to also track the cd's of group, of mobs and so on. WoW feels more and more like a KPI dashboard than a game. I would prefer to move away from the dashboard and not increase the dashboard.
My best experiences in WoW were from the social aspect. But these experiences were also from many years ago. The best were back in vanilla. My last great social experience was in BFA. Since than I find it harder and harder to enjoy the social aspect of WoW. Maybe because the world changed, maybe because different generations are playing. I don't know. I only know that I really liked (to solo) Delves for the first few weeks and hated M+ when I changed to that content. I think Blizzard can get the social aspect back if they really want it. For example change to or add battletag to guilds. Hire people again to do the customer service and punish all toxic behaviour. Make Discord an option instead of a necessity to play the game.
They should add WoW to the game pass as a first step. Or for example till level 60 with game pass.
I didn't renew my sub. How can I justify playing a game where the things I use are bugged for months.
The game is way too complicated for new & casual players.
By definition.
Fix the queu system asap, give healers a small increase on rating in 3-3 Lobby's when they have to deal with a full green DPS who goes 0 wins while other dps get 4 wins. Gear is the most easy ive ever seen xD. Skill you get from practice, so back to the quicker queu's. And give way bigger gold rewards in PVP/PVE. We want to login and be able to play the game in 5-10min max queu's, not 15-40min queu's. Whatever you gotta do to fix the queu's :D do iiit, even if its unbalanced ^^.
Putting WoW on Game Pass is the best solution
Blizz can never get balancing right! Way too many passive and active abilities.
just add flex que to 3s with a real ranking system and a battle pass and its ggs
What if they scrapped Cromie timewalking for wow2 and made it so you actually go back to that expansion with those drs and spells lol and u could fight other classes from different expansions. Tbc rogue vs tww evoker let’s gooo….
never had to craft so much crap in order to get the most optimal stats, dragonflight fucked up introducing that system, tww took it to a whole new level with cost of mats.. even weapon enchants are redic
Gotta pay for skill capped guides sub to even get a ui that makes sense for arena. Either that or spend hours upon hours to learn how a dozen different addons work to set up a ui that ends up just looking like bloatware. The game fees like World of Addons sometimes.
I’m not best Pvper lol hell I’m stuck at 1500 in blitz😂 but the crying about skill, gear, time, etc.. is crazy. I chose one of the hardest classes to main. You don’t see me crying.
I get go hard on pvp as a new commer bc the m+ to hard to grind ... pvp simple play go to vendor buy it . I dont get the ff crestsystem work...
Tbh I think the game was healthiest when classes were Brocken. People want to feel good and what does that? A brain dead class/spec hunter bm. If you don’t have time to play and maintain skill this game is tough. Get on and then you can get cc’d and still kill the opponents. That’s the missing piece.
New players need a fun easy class.
This isn’t the right answer but this is the correct answer.
You need to have a solid entry level play style that people can try it out and see if wow is for them.
But if you balance the game out like now. It comes down to knowledge and experience to make the game enjoyable.
Baiting the precog
Chain cc
Deminishing returns
It’s a lot to take In and learn to act without thinking
I don't feel connected with my characters anymore.warbands have ruined the sense of care I have for one character. I can level a new character over the weekend 1-80 there's nothing special about characters anymore they're just meaningless
Part of the problem is getting new players, or like me returning players back into PVP, when you play the unrated random BG's they are plagued in the EU with full complete premade Russian troll teams. This has started happening due to the PVP servers being merged, how do I know they are full pre-made teams, well its a bit of a giveaway when all 25 players in an Epic BG have Cyrillic names and servers. I have recorded this and sent ticket after ticket , Blizz don't care . When you wait 10 mins for a game to have a full premade all on TS constantly wipe the floor with your team, its not a fun experience, most of us work, we don't have all day to waste what game time we have being farmed
If you want to go pre-made great, go ranked premade against better players like yourself, who will offer you a challenge, but don't troll standard Randoms, that's sad , low self esteem, bully boy, bullshit
End result lots of players just right it off, those players would progress to Ranked, but now they dont, no new influx of new players in ranked, ever diminishing numbers, longer ques
The other BIG issue are and barriers to getting people into the PVP is the gear, even the weekly rewards for the PVP quest at the moment gives PVE gear, PVP gear has to be ground out slowly and I mean slowly and when you do put the hours in to get it, then have some of the items crafted because the stats are the opposite to many specs, after all those hours, its still garbage in higher end PVE. Yet the 630 raid gear for any ranged dps especially ( casters included ) can be used in PVP to great effect adding Vers from other sources
I came back after 14 years of playing from day 1, from Knight Champion ranking in Vanilla, 10's of thousands of hours played, to game that spilts everything into 10 currencies , what use are bloody tokens after you get a few items, and only a few because of the lack of stat choices, none they have zero use, Conquest rewards are disgustingly slow your better farming the War chests in open world half the time,
IF YOU MAKE IT NO FUN, STUPIDLY COMPLICATED AND A WASTE OF YOUR GAMING TIME, THEY LEAVE, AND OOO LOOK MILLIONS HAVE LEFT
If you would like the 30 something screen shots taken over this month alone of the trolling premades, let me know, ill send them directly, Blizz make sure you cant post any proof on the forums
There’s no sense of progression in pvp. The progress I make in season 1 is pointless in season 2 as I need to gear completely again. We have dozens upon dozens of questing zones that after we breeze through to max level we never return. I used to love nazjatar pvp event every week, it brought everyone back to the zone for pvp. Now the PvP community is even smaller and PvP in open world is dead.
Play poe2 , wow is dead
Theres so much bloat in the game, button bloat, health pool and ilvl bloat, pvp game mode bloat, overall game mode bloat PVE, game version bloat (classic SOD, Classic Hardcore, Classic Cata, Plunderstorm, WoW remix, que time bloat, add on bloat.
Those are windows not barriers
I hate to say it but RBGs feels dead since Blitz. I dont play an MMO to play Solo I want to play with friends. The game has become overly complicated, Solo for PvPers (For those of us who hate arena there is not much else). Due to this ima gonna pop in maybe 1 day a week if that. Just not having fun anymore, I think CorePunk is going to be my home game once its officially released.
If you’re still playing wow in 2024?! What are you doin?! You’re missing out on some great games .