It's not often I audibly laugh while watching YT, but that stretch at 15:30 is all time. Talking about his swampy room and Lord Farquaad only to cut himself off, lens just popping off the camera, the most defeated 'it's fine', and adjusting the tilt with his head completely covered in a magic blanket was a good as it gets. Some on YT depict 8x10 as some sort of higher level Zen....love how you show the emotional (and financial) cost of it all
I think Ansel would be proud of you. You conquered the Intrepid.... so much pain for your art... My hat is off to you. Keep it up, and make more videos. Thanks for all the hard work that you do... so we don't have to.
One of my very first jobs in the early 1980s was working in a very large London based (14 studios in a Victorian mews warehouse) commercial photographic studio. We mainly used Sinar 5x4 and 10x8 view camerss and Hasselblad 501 / 501 cm and ELM cametas ... Photographers assistant heaven. A monthly free film allowance of 15 rolls of 120 and 10 sheets of 5x4 and 10x8 were an extra on our weekly / monthly pay. Ah .. those were the days.
I like how you explain your thinking during setup in this one - it's a nice change up and a feature I think you should revisit in some of your films going forward!
Props to GD for sharing this video. This level and number of snafus can really be a deterrent when it comes to shooting 8x10. Next time you go out. Take only one lens. Take only one film stock. The stress will go waay down, and it will be much more fun.
@grainydays you always making shooting look so natural and chill. i appreciate seeing a more standard experience especially for most of us shooting large format
I have an Intrepid 5x7 and yes securing the front standard via pilot hole is slow. Other than that despite not being an expensive high end camera it works well. Hint.. use a multi pocket backpack to keep everything together. Film holders in one pocket, camera in another lens in another and well you know what I mean. I inspect all pockets to be sure all is accounted for before I start walking.
Great vid, I love the 'Steven Wright' comedic approach in your stuff. Its actually your personality but it fits well in front of the camera. Laugh & Learn as it were. Good stuff
Although, it seemed like complete hell I’m glad you showed all of us who have never used 8x10 how much of a struggle it is. The 16:25 mark of this video made me fully appreciate that I will never shoot 8x10 and that’s fine.
I own an Intrepid 4x5 so I'm already familiar with the problems of instability. Even so I have sometimes thought about purchasing the Intrepid 8x10. Your video has helped to bring me back to my senses; the involuntary movements caused by inserting the film holder are a dealbreaker for me.
I didn’t need this level of stress on a Friday night after a busy work week. But then again, I’m spending Friday night watching grainy days videos. Cool shots though.
Hi Jason, I have been a longtime fan of your videos. Would you consider to make a video on how you make videos? The color grading process, the setup process and how you organise what to shoot first and what to shoot afterwards, etc?
Yessss, for the past few videos I have come really close to commenting 'I hope Jason goes unhinged enough to bring back the 8x10'. Glad to see it happened on its own!... That lens fall bit was mad stressful. I am glad it didn't actually fall out....I uhh may have cost myself mad money recently by having a lens fall out and roll into a stream...and another lens fall out and get its frame bent bad. Ugh Large Format is the killer of the clumsy. That's kinda why I had to sell my Intrepid and upgrade. I know some folk who can make the best stuff with just an intrepid (even the older less good ones), but every bit of extra fiddle and fuss becomes nightmarish for clumsy buffoons like me. I honestly think the intrepid is great for someone that needs maximum lightness, but perhaps less so for a beginner. A well functioning Graflex or Wista that's well aligned probably is more mistake proof imo (in 4x5 anyway 8x10...well dunno). Big fan of Intrepid as a brand though. I am really hoping their lens project goes through and they can release that large format lens (a shutter lens in today's day and age??? That would be awesome). God I wish my Deardorff 8x10 had a bail back. I am not looking forward to fighting the spring when I take it out soon (tm). Oh and great work as always! Sorry about the Ektachrome
at 7:28, YEAH, that's why I went for the sinar F2, it has a 'bail' system, so one lever lifts the back, so the holders go in easy, mine is only 4x5 though; but the GRAFFLOK system was also what won it over for me, having the capacity to shoot 4x5 sheets, 120 Roll film backs, or the Lomograflok fuji instax wide instant film holder, so one can test stuff, or do 'recon' shots on the small cheaper stocks, before shooting the $$$$ stocks.
at 8:03 a tip, to stop it moving around so much, use a bigger tripod \ head like the Ries J250 that has a massive "heli-pad" to land a big camera on, this will reduce flex, as having less diameter of the qr plate means more torque can wobble the camera, or add excess force on the mounting hardware.
I’m glad you highlighted the spring back. Those fibreglass springs are way too strong and need to be rethought. I replaced mine with some stainless steel banding strap.
The hinge back can work very well with a slightly sturdier camera design, the film holder slide into my Canham 8x10 like butter but I had a similar issue when I owned an intrepid!
Wax on the surfaces that come in contact with the film holder might help to smoothen the operation of inserting it. That's Intrepid - you have to tinker with their cameras. "Have to" like *must*. I guess it might work better with the plywood version (I have an Intrepid 4x5 in plywood, and it doesn't feel that bad, even compared to my Chamonix 45F2). The Intrepid 8x10 (even the slightly more expensive black edition) is a steal compared to the Chamonix 8x10 "Alpinist X" (which is only slightly heavier, but way ahead in build quality).
It's pretty much the same amount of gear for 4x5, or even medium format - camera, lenses, tripod, film holders, light meter etc., just larger and heavier for 8x10! I don't use it, but it would be great for full size contact printing.
Such a cool video and experience. Your approach 👏 makes me feel good about my photography experience. Trial and error. Some days I think I'm a failure and some days I surprise myself
Glad you highlighted the awkward back issue, thanks. I was of a mind to buy one after owning the 4x5 version for a while. However all that camera wobbling makes me shudder.
I mostly get along with the previous Intrepid 8x10's spring back (mostly) ... but I do miss that back from the Calumet tank camera I learned on. That style is definitely a lot easier to deal with, and I'd probably buy an upgrade back if they ever offered it ...
Oh, 8x10 would be so nice to try some day. On the other hand, even cost of 4x5 makes me double think everything is right, slides make me triple check. On the other hand, I think I've learned more from the 4x5 I've not taken after thinking it is not perfect enough. It has tought me think more even with digital and sometimes just take one shot with digital because I know it's there.
Fully agree that the Intrepid's film holder back needs improvement. I have a 4x5 and haven't used it yet in real life as my dry runs at home caused me a hell lot of frustration already. And I don't even use expensive film stock, but rather Foma 100...
This is the real deal. The struggle, equipment faults, manual labor, anxiety...that's what photography really is, not just the romantic end product we all saw on social media
You mentioned that the Intrepid had a magnetic back. Would it be easier to pop the back off, load the film holder, then pop it back onto the body? It would eliminate the movement from forcing the holder into the slot while on the camera.
i don't have Intrepid, but perhaps the film holder could be inserted with the camera back off the camera and then put back. Much less chance of disturbing the plane of focus, if it allows you to do it.
I still regret selling my 8x10 equipment when I retired but $4 per sheet for the cheap b&w film is just beyond my budget. I sympathize with your struggles but in all honesty, it's just lack of familiarity with the equipment which is itself is lack of experience. I would get a lot betternif you invested a month shooting mostly just this. Hey, you're one of those rich California movie guys, right? 😅
I always enjoy the rather unique videos you have and look forward to watching them. I say that as I wouldn't normally comment on something, that I have limited knowledge of; but I wanted to comment as I was intrigued, that such a big camera, albeit lighter than the normal type; was on a tripod, where the mount is in the middle; it doesn't seem to offer lateral stability. Even though the mount can take a heavy camera, the force allied on the mount by way of the distance from the outer most edges of the camera make it seem like its less stable than you'd like. is there not T-type mount tripods, maybe similar to the ones used for video cameras be better, or one where, the three legs of a tripod are at the outer most points of the base of the camera. I say this as someone who's never shot Huge x Massive, so take it as a query, as I want to learn lol.
It’s crazy to me how wobbly the Intrepid is on that tripod. I thought that my monorail was bad but now I realize that in my case only the tripod is a little shaky not the 8kg of 8x10 goodness. Also my Plaubel Peco Profia has separate knobs for every kind of movement plus the back Jason likes.
been there. i had a wisner pocket expedition. cause i hate too much weight. but had the same issues with things moving when jamming in the film holder. then my sheet pics were out of focus in areas like something wasnt flat. arg. plus light leak. so gave up and stuck with 4x5 and a metal canham camera which was way better. the garbage would be a good pic. only pics with good detail are worth usi g an 8x10
Finally… more budget Ryan gosling pessimistic content to crave. The film community can’t cancel this guy for making a video about a medium format Hasselblad.
Had the same problems with the spring back on my Intrepid 8x10 (an earlier generation though). Then I got a Chamonix and no more problems... I guess you get what you pay for
Almost had a heart attack when that huge lens fell from the front standard... edit: sorry about your wasted shots but I was happy to see someone else struggle with large format :P
Good Australian "get out of 'ere". That camera wobbles waaaay too much when sliding the film in eh, surprised critical focus wasn't thrown off even at F11. I've always been hesitant about the Intrepid cameras, seeing that stability and accuracy and so important on large format. It's a double edged sword, you want light, but you also want strong imo. I'd rather lug around something heavy that doesn't wobble like jello when you load the film personally. I need some replacement 12x15 bellows, pray for me.
Some nice captures there. Looked to me like you were struggling inserting the film holders in part due to the tripod not fully holding the camera at the point where it’s mounted. Quite a bit of play and wiggle.
Next time, take off the hinge pins. Back in ye olden days of pre civil war America, some homes had slave pens where they would keep the servants trapped in a box to live in a small closet space. Those type of architecture designs creep me out. Great vlog content. Keep at the film photography!
So cool to see a digital photographer try out film
Cruel cut.
I know! I subscribed after his last video, I haven't seen this channel before. Can't wait to see more digital
He normally shoots film
@@I-SelfLordAndMaster no im pretty sure he normally shoots digital
@@Stormento2no he promotes film watch his other videos
I just started my film journey with a Nikon f2 thanks to you. Now I’m homeless living in a fort made ilford hp5 boxes. No regrats tho.
Not homeless then ! I'd say that counts as a house
@@maximek5616 More expensive then one...
You should push your fort two stops
@@turkturkleton4278 I keep it at 1600 always 🫡
@@lilpisser124 it’s a small fort
I've never been more stressed watching a digital photographer try film photography. Great video!
I like how you showed the reality and frustration of shooting large format
Jason really has posted a video in almost all aspect ratios, when is he going to post one in 6x6?
110 film beckons to him
I'm waiting for APS... just for shits and giggles 😂
Yes please
never! :D
@@alekskashefi4268 16:9 or the super grainy panorama format? I think he basically has videos covering these aspect ratios already.
I just hope everyone can feed the algorithm wth likes and comments so more TH-camrs think they need to do 8x10 gear reviews to maintain traction.
It’s crazy to see how good a digital photographer transferred to film! Especially 8x10 he’s definitely brave
The larger the format, the larger the hat and 8x10 needs the largerest hat
It's not often I audibly laugh while watching YT, but that stretch at 15:30 is all time. Talking about his swampy room and Lord Farquaad only to cut himself off, lens just popping off the camera, the most defeated 'it's fine', and adjusting the tilt with his head completely covered in a magic blanket was a good as it gets. Some on YT depict 8x10 as some sort of higher level Zen....love how you show the emotional (and financial) cost of it all
Other than that I often laugh watching YT (probably due to my selections), I have to agree. Yes, this was gold without being negative about it.
If you enjoy laughing during your film photography TH-cam videos I'd also recommend checking out Graindead. Very funny and entertaining also.
I honestly got mad watching this. Thanks that you photograph this format so that I never need to experience all this stress by myself. 😅
Intrepid offering a separate bail back just seems like a no-brainer.
I think Ansel would be proud of you. You conquered the Intrepid.... so much pain for your art... My hat is off to you. Keep it up, and make more videos. Thanks for all the hard work that you do... so we don't have to.
One of my very first jobs in the early 1980s was working in a very large London based (14 studios in a Victorian mews warehouse) commercial photographic studio. We mainly used Sinar 5x4 and 10x8 view camerss and Hasselblad 501 / 501 cm and ELM cametas ... Photographers assistant heaven. A monthly free film allowance of 15 rolls of 120 and 10 sheets of 5x4 and 10x8 were an extra on our weekly / monthly pay.
Ah .. those were the days.
18:15 bro I’m so crushed. This shot was portfolios worthy 😢
the video shots of him with the hazy landscape in the background on day two are so beautifully composed
I like how you explain your thinking during setup in this one - it's a nice change up and a feature I think you should revisit in some of your films going forward!
For a minute I thought Nick Carver took over your channel 😂
8x10 relaxed, calming, and sometimes you have a mental breakdown. You just have to love film. :D
Did anyone notice his hairline actively receding further with all the shit that happened during the shot around 15:00 ?
LORD OF THE RINGS MENTIONED🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
The photography was awesome, as always. But man, the way you filmed this was so good. The lighting, the angles, and the grade, really great work!
Props to GD for sharing this video. This level and number of snafus can really be a deterrent when it comes to shooting 8x10. Next time you go out. Take only one lens. Take only one film stock. The stress will go waay down, and it will be much more fun.
@grainydays you always making shooting look so natural and chill. i appreciate seeing a more standard experience especially for most of us shooting large format
I could only dream of having the patience and resilience of this man 😂 great video Jason as always
New Graindays releases
*Cancels family beach trip*
I have an Intrepid 5x7 and yes securing the front standard via pilot hole is slow. Other than that despite not being an expensive high end camera it works well. Hint.. use a multi pocket backpack to keep everything together. Film holders in one pocket, camera in another lens in another and well you know what I mean. I inspect all pockets to be sure all is accounted for before I start walking.
Great vid, I love the 'Steven Wright' comedic approach in your stuff. Its actually your personality but it fits well in front of the camera. Laugh & Learn as it were. Good stuff
Hi hat off.Your patience is HUGE.And some realy nice photos to see.Great vid.😊
My heart just jumped at 16:03
I felt that "Regroup. Reconquer." in my soul man. So glad I'm just a 35mm scrub for now
Although, it seemed like complete hell I’m glad you showed all of us who have never used 8x10 how much of a struggle it is. The 16:25 mark of this video made me fully appreciate that I will never shoot 8x10 and that’s fine.
Good timing. I recently sold my beloved Kodak 2D 8x10 and ordered an Intrepid 8x10 (with 5x7 reducing back) that arrives tomorrow.
Loved the long lens look for documenting the shooting process
I own an Intrepid 4x5 so I'm already familiar with the problems of instability. Even so I have sometimes thought about purchasing the Intrepid 8x10. Your video has helped to bring me back to my senses; the involuntary movements caused by inserting the film holder are a dealbreaker for me.
like the squashed house shot ... very nice...
I was more anxious about every shot than I’ve ever been with any dramatic series!))
I didn’t need this level of stress on a Friday night after a busy work week. But then again, I’m spending Friday night watching grainy days videos. Cool shots though.
Oh man I love your videos. Makes me chuckle away
Liked the video the moment you mentioned Garfield, truly you're my kinda guy.
Hi Jason, I have been a longtime fan of your videos. Would you consider to make a video on how you make videos? The color grading process, the setup process and how you organise what to shoot first and what to shoot afterwards, etc?
Yessss, for the past few videos I have come really close to commenting 'I hope Jason goes unhinged enough to bring back the 8x10'. Glad to see it happened on its own!...
That lens fall bit was mad stressful. I am glad it didn't actually fall out....I uhh may have cost myself mad money recently by having a lens fall out and roll into a stream...and another lens fall out and get its frame bent bad. Ugh Large Format is the killer of the clumsy.
That's kinda why I had to sell my Intrepid and upgrade. I know some folk who can make the best stuff with just an intrepid (even the older less good ones), but every bit of extra fiddle and fuss becomes nightmarish for clumsy buffoons like me. I honestly think the intrepid is great for someone that needs maximum lightness, but perhaps less so for a beginner. A well functioning Graflex or Wista that's well aligned probably is more mistake proof imo (in 4x5 anyway 8x10...well dunno). Big fan of Intrepid as a brand though. I am really hoping their lens project goes through and they can release that large format lens (a shutter lens in today's day and age??? That would be awesome).
God I wish my Deardorff 8x10 had a bail back. I am not looking forward to fighting the spring when I take it out soon (tm).
Oh and great work as always! Sorry about the Ektachrome
at 7:28, YEAH, that's why I went for the sinar F2, it has a 'bail' system, so one lever lifts the back, so the holders go in easy, mine is only 4x5 though; but the GRAFFLOK system was also what won it over for me, having the capacity to shoot 4x5 sheets, 120 Roll film backs, or the Lomograflok fuji instax wide instant film holder, so one can test stuff, or do 'recon' shots on the small cheaper stocks, before shooting the $$$$ stocks.
In spite of all your struggles, I still LOVE your hat.
at 8:03 a tip, to stop it moving around so much, use a bigger tripod \ head like the Ries J250 that has a massive "heli-pad" to land a big camera on, this will reduce flex, as having less diameter of the qr plate means more torque can wobble the camera, or add excess force on the mounting hardware.
I use my Intrepid 8x10 to shoot wet plate and so far it has worked great. I'll have to pick up some 8x10 film and give it a go.
I’m glad you highlighted the spring back. Those fibreglass springs are way too strong and need to be rethought. I replaced mine with some stainless steel banding strap.
The hinge back can work very well with a slightly sturdier camera design, the film holder slide into my Canham 8x10 like butter but I had a similar issue when I owned an intrepid!
Wax on the surfaces that come in contact with the film holder might help to smoothen the operation of inserting it. That's Intrepid - you have to tinker with their cameras. "Have to" like *must*. I guess it might work better with the plywood version (I have an Intrepid 4x5 in plywood, and it doesn't feel that bad, even compared to my Chamonix 45F2). The Intrepid 8x10 (even the slightly more expensive black edition) is a steal compared to the Chamonix 8x10 "Alpinist X" (which is only slightly heavier, but way ahead in build quality).
There MUST be a way around the sticky filmholder!
Wonderful presentation and shots as always!
It's pretty much the same amount of gear for 4x5, or even medium format - camera, lenses, tripod, film holders, light meter etc., just larger and heavier for 8x10! I don't use it, but it would be great for full size contact printing.
Such a cool video and experience. Your approach 👏 makes me feel good about my photography experience. Trial and error. Some days I think I'm a failure and some days I surprise myself
Yet again Jason reminds me that I need to try more film formats
Glad you highlighted the awkward back issue, thanks. I was of a mind to buy one after owning the 4x5 version for a while. However all that camera wobbling makes me shudder.
I mostly get along with the previous Intrepid 8x10's spring back (mostly) ... but I do miss that back from the Calumet tank camera I learned on. That style is definitely a lot easier to deal with, and I'd probably buy an upgrade back if they ever offered it ...
I liked the fence post in the first shot. I always tend to like the images you dislike the most :)
One of my favourite thumbnails. Had to click and watch. Was like an itch o had to scratch! Great video as per usual. J
Oh, 8x10 would be so nice to try some day. On the other hand, even cost of 4x5 makes me double think everything is right, slides make me triple check. On the other hand, I think I've learned more from the 4x5 I've not taken after thinking it is not perfect enough. It has tought me think more even with digital and sometimes just take one shot with digital because I know it's there.
I almost cried after the second sheet of ektachrome.
Fully agree that the Intrepid's film holder back needs improvement. I have a 4x5 and haven't used it yet in real life as my dry runs at home caused me a hell lot of frustration already. And I don't even use expensive film stock, but rather Foma 100...
This is the real deal. The struggle, equipment faults, manual labor, anxiety...that's what photography really is, not just the romantic end product we all saw on social media
Or you could just buy a medium format film or fuji gfx100
And forget about stress
I am so with you on those intrepid backs. You can rig a Calumet back to fit on one using A-Clamps. Works, extra ghetto though.
We all mourn for that second blown out color shot 😢
“This isn’t your normal everyday darkness. This is…ADVANCED DARKNESS”
I felt your frustration! Great video
You mentioned that the Intrepid had a magnetic back. Would it be easier to pop the back off, load the film holder, then pop it back onto the body? It would eliminate the movement from forcing the holder into the slot while on the camera.
i don't have Intrepid, but perhaps the film holder could be inserted with the camera back off the camera and then put back. Much less chance of disturbing the plane of focus, if it allows you to do it.
Came for the humongous camera, stayed for the dating tips
that lightleak ektachrome was beautiful imo :'(
I still regret selling my 8x10 equipment when I retired but $4 per sheet for the cheap b&w film is just beyond my budget. I sympathize with your struggles but in all honesty, it's just lack of familiarity with the equipment which is itself is lack of experience. I would get a lot betternif you invested a month shooting mostly just this. Hey, you're one of those rich California movie guys, right? 😅
Never gonna shoot large format.... but damn was i emotionally invested in the chaos of that last frame/lens change
I always enjoy the rather unique videos you have and look forward to watching them. I say that as I wouldn't normally comment on something, that I have limited knowledge of; but I wanted to comment as I was intrigued, that such a big camera, albeit lighter than the normal type; was on a tripod, where the mount is in the middle; it doesn't seem to offer lateral stability. Even though the mount can take a heavy camera, the force allied on the mount by way of the distance from the outer most edges of the camera make it seem like its less stable than you'd like. is there not T-type mount tripods, maybe similar to the ones used for video cameras be better, or one where, the three legs of a tripod are at the outer most points of the base of the camera. I say this as someone who's never shot Huge x Massive, so take it as a query, as I want to learn lol.
Pause the video at 13:13 and there’s a sick composition right there. 13:45 is pure Nick Carver too
It’s crazy to me how wobbly the Intrepid is on that tripod.
I thought that my monorail was bad but now I realize that in my case only the tripod is a little shaky not the 8kg of 8x10 goodness.
Also my Plaubel Peco Profia has separate knobs for every kind of movement plus the back Jason likes.
The cloth falling down at 16:38 killed me hahaha....
Respect the hustle, tho
Would love a colorgrading guide one of these days
love a good Garfield Christmas special reference
been there. i had a wisner pocket expedition. cause i hate too much weight. but had the same issues with things moving when jamming in the film holder. then my sheet pics were out of focus in areas like something wasnt flat. arg. plus light leak. so gave up and stuck with 4x5 and a metal canham camera which was way better. the garbage would be a good pic. only pics with good detail are worth usi g an 8x10
Finally… more budget Ryan gosling pessimistic content to crave. The film community can’t cancel this guy for making a video about a medium format Hasselblad.
Had the same problems with the spring back on my Intrepid 8x10 (an earlier generation though). Then I got a Chamonix and no more problems... I guess you get what you pay for
The spring-back takes some getting used to. I hold mine open until the holder is inserted all the way
Does anyone know how to get like that on 13:20 ? Is it a specific lens or is it just a filter?
Almost had a heart attack when that huge lens fell from the front standard...
edit: sorry about your wasted shots but I was happy to see someone else struggle with large format :P
yeah the camera is cool but.. where did you get that sweet hat?!
Good Australian "get out of 'ere". That camera wobbles waaaay too much when sliding the film in eh, surprised critical focus wasn't thrown off even at F11.
I've always been hesitant about the Intrepid cameras, seeing that stability and accuracy and so important on large format. It's a double edged sword, you want light, but you also want strong imo. I'd rather lug around something heavy that doesn't wobble like jello when you load the film personally.
I need some replacement 12x15 bellows, pray for me.
I just got a Nikon f3 and been taking d pics to practice. Hopefully the lab approves.
LOOOOOVE the ls400. Gotta get a least one good pic of it
Good to see digital photographers trying out good old film!!
I hope the injury heals soon 😭
Thank you for another reminder of why I shouldn't buy an 8x10 camera ☺
Some nice captures there. Looked to me like you were struggling inserting the film holders in part due to the tripod not fully holding the camera at the point where it’s mounted. Quite a bit of play and wiggle.
Was thinking about starting to shoot 8x10, can you recommend your favorite mental health clinic?
Next time, take off the hinge pins. Back in ye olden days of pre civil war America, some homes had slave pens where they would keep the servants trapped in a box to live in a small closet space. Those type of architecture designs creep me out. Great vlog content. Keep at the film photography!
Perfect timing. Needed something to watch while I scan some film!
What kind of camera and lens do you use for shooting your videos? They look really good.
Grain Gawked is very good!
Intrepid would be my last choice to choose a 8x10 camera
Thanks for holding me back from buying Intrepid 8x10
I love when the grain is gocked
It's all about the challenge with the 8x10 far more so than the 4x5. When its right its superb, when its wrong its just vv bad
Do you always mic yourself the entire time? It was cool to hear all the little commentary and SFX during each setup. ✌️