If a therapist asks an open question and then answer it themselves I always answer in the same way..."if you say so" with a slight air of sarcasim. This response always takes the air out of their sails.
My therapist used tehnique no 2 on me, and at that moment, since I was in such a state that I was very indecisive and questioned everything, instead of feeling like I needed to correct her, I believed that she must be right in her representation of something (since she was a professionalist), and that I was wrong. And that made me feel even worse about myself. So I didn't say anything about her misinterpretation, nor about anything else. Now, I feel very sorry for her, but I think she should have asked me more than "why are you here" (I couldn't explain why I came, I just felt something isn't right with me). I can not believe that is the only question you are allowed to ask as a professionalist. Can't you ask a patient if he has friends, a pet, what did he do yesterday? Those questions seem easier to me than trying to "manipulate" a patient, and could be a great conversation starters also.
That was an misplaced maneuver by your therapist., but thanks for sharing. It illustrates the importance of rapport and skillful choice of techniques to be therapeutic for specific clients. It's not enough to learn a technique from TH-cam to call themselves a therapist, it takes a lot of practice and sensitivity to apply it for the client's benefit.
1. Ask open ended questions and answer them yourself. Answers based on human primal needs are a good place to start with 2. Subtle misrepresentation to tap into the client 's need to correct others
I love your videos Mr Tyrell. I want to become a clinical psychologist and I find your explanatiins very clear and sensible. Thank you for sharing your wisdom
A good therapist will know a way to get a client to open up even if it takes a few sessions. If a therapist feels like the session is boring or wants it to be over, then they are the issue not the client.
Went to counseling sessions a long time ago all did was sat on my phone for 45 min not saying any or giving any eye contact then stopped going and stopped paying for session my court hearing want go again but have no interest will probably just to the same thing again
Yes unless they say , “ I don’t know”. That’s usually the response if no yes or no . Shouldn’t answer for the client either . It’s their session and they just do the work as well.
This is the most subtle and sophisticated way of calling someone gay and ofc the angsty teen will feel the need to respond like it's a voice chat in a game
No, it's actually a very good way in trying to make someone talk. It's not ill-intended like he said in the video, but just a little misrepresentation so he can use the person drive to make things right and talk, and then ultimately open about themself. It was a interesting information to hear about this, especially that is a drive force in people.
As a client, I personally hate having my therapist use misrepresentation and eventually told him so. It just makes me feel that he's already my his mind up with me opening my mouth, at this point I feel no urge to set the record straight and I just disconnect further. Still happens sometimes and we've been working together for 3yrs!
I don't have many clients that won't open up in session, but these techniques sound very helpful for the rare times when I may get one. Also, when do you plan on offering your course on enhancing a client's Self-esteem again? I missed the last cut-off date and am very frustrated by that since I have a few clients who I feel might benefit a lot from it. Thanks!
Your techniques might have worked with Josh. This is why they wouldn't work with me: 1. Answer yourself: I wouldn't bother talking to a person who behaves in such a paternalistic way. It's not worth my while. 2. Misrepresentation: I would just ignore such a stupid person like you. You may think whatever you like. I don't care. 3. Hypnosis: When you direct me to my breathing I would resort to breathing meditation which I have practiced for years, and while being engaged with my object of meditation all your chattering would pass my by. And, guess what, I think you wouldn't even notice. 😛
@@mauricecornforth1233 If I am "dragged in" to see the hairdresser like Josh was dragged in to see this Marc Tyrrell (assuming that this meeting really happened), then, of course, I will go out of my way to prevent them from cutting my hair. - And, for example, please consider this: Josh - if that encounter ever happened - was a new client to Marc. So Marc probably knew nothing about him or only had the information given by the mother about Josh. And then Marc starts with this provocation about girl friends and sexual orientation - which he calls "misrepresentation" - but which by the client could also be understood as primitive form of manipulation, a sort of invalidation. (Nothing against gay people, but a straight teenager, depending on his background, could experience a questioning of his sexual orientation as insult - and it is Marc, who is playing with that.) Now consider the possibility that a client like Josh has perhaps been invalidated and manipulated all his life by parents, siblings, romantic partner, colleagues, whoever. Do you really think it is kind and helpful and empathetic to start the relationship with a client who has suffered from manipulation and invalidation all their life with just another sort of manipulative invalidation? - Perhaps such a client has learned to "grey rock" such manipulations and think by himself about the therapist who applies them: "This man is just another disgusting idiot - and, anyway, it was never my choice to see him. So why talk to him?" And of what help would that be? - My point is: Please get to know your clients before you try to manipulate them.
@@manimekhalai8256 you make the mistake of assuming that it is the close ones of a person who are always the cause of the problem. They are almost NEVER the cause, apart from very unique cases of physical abuse and total neglect. Most of the time, it's the society and the production relations in it that cause psycological disorders in individuals. Parents can be too demanding, too neurotic etc for exactly the same reason - because the society and the production relations which are dominant in it make them this way. I would recommend reading Ivan Pavlov's works on neurosis. Mark or any other psycologist cannot change the production relations, it's done by the masses and only when the right moment comes (when enough contradictions within the society have been accumulated). But Mark can help an individual ease the pain and suffering. Some of the approach he is using is very materialistic, unlike I think the majority of psycotherapists who are insanely idealistic and blame the person's inner nature for everything.
Very interesting technique. I think I'll try them on my phlegmatic introverted husband.
If a therapist asks an open question and then answer it themselves I always answer in the same way..."if you say so" with a slight air of sarcasim. This response always takes the air out of their sails.
My therapist used tehnique no 2 on me, and at that moment, since I was in such a state that I was very indecisive and questioned everything, instead of feeling like I needed to correct her, I believed that she must be right in her representation of something (since she was a professionalist), and that I was wrong. And that made me feel even worse about myself. So I didn't say anything about her misinterpretation, nor about anything else. Now, I feel very sorry for her, but I think she should have asked me more than "why are you here" (I couldn't explain why I came, I just felt something isn't right with me). I can not believe that is the only question you are allowed to ask as a professionalist. Can't you ask a patient if he has friends, a pet, what did he do yesterday? Those questions seem easier to me than trying to "manipulate" a patient, and could be a great conversation starters also.
That was an misplaced maneuver by your therapist., but thanks for sharing. It illustrates the importance of rapport and skillful choice of techniques to be therapeutic for specific clients. It's not enough to learn a technique from TH-cam to call themselves a therapist, it takes a lot of practice and sensitivity to apply it for the client's benefit.
1. Ask open ended questions and answer them yourself. Answers based on human primal needs are a good place to start with
2. Subtle misrepresentation to tap into the client 's need to correct others
I love your videos Mr Tyrell. I want to become a clinical psychologist and I find your explanatiins very clear and sensible. Thank you for sharing your wisdom
Interesting way to get clients to open up.
brilliant! Thank you!
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thank you!!
What u say r good and nice and I hope
It is the same in practice
And these questions can be defeated by the words "if you say so".
A good therapist will know a way to get a client to open up even if it takes a few sessions. If a therapist feels like the session is boring or wants it to be over, then they are the issue not the client.
Went to counseling sessions a long time ago all did was sat on my phone for 45 min not saying any or giving any eye contact then stopped going and stopped paying for session my court hearing want go again but have no interest will probably just to the same thing again
I should have used that approach with my son, who is also a member of an alien species.
Yes unless they say , “ I don’t know”. That’s usually the response if no yes or no . Shouldn’t answer for the client either . It’s their session and they just do the work as well.
This is the most subtle and sophisticated way of calling someone gay and ofc the angsty teen will feel the need to respond like it's a voice chat in a game
Does this help if your date won't talk? 😆
It would be good fun trying it!
But perhaps not ethical! Just thought I'd add that bit!
are they useful on schizoids? or these tecqniques make them flee quicker? thanks in advance.
The 2nd technique seems like lying and manipulation to me.
No, it's actually a very good way in trying to make someone talk. It's not ill-intended like he said in the video, but just a little misrepresentation so he can use the person drive to make things right and talk, and then ultimately open about themself. It was a interesting information to hear about this, especially that is a drive force in people.
As a client, I personally hate having my therapist use misrepresentation and eventually told him so. It just makes me feel that he's already my his mind up with me opening my mouth, at this point I feel no urge to set the record straight and I just disconnect further. Still happens sometimes and we've been working together for 3yrs!
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This "therapist" is extremely creepy and his techniques are manipulative and wrong.
I don't have many clients that won't open up in session, but these techniques sound very helpful for the rare times when I may get one. Also, when do you plan on offering your course on enhancing a client's Self-esteem again? I missed the last cut-off date and am very frustrated by that since I have a few clients who I feel might benefit a lot from it. Thanks!
Your techniques might have worked with Josh. This is why they wouldn't work with me:
1. Answer yourself: I wouldn't bother talking to a person who behaves in such a paternalistic way. It's not worth my while.
2. Misrepresentation: I would just ignore such a stupid person like you. You may think whatever you like. I don't care.
3. Hypnosis: When you direct me to my breathing I would resort to breathing meditation which I have practiced for years, and while being engaged with my object of meditation all your chattering would pass my by. And, guess what, I think you wouldn't even notice.
😛
You might not be ready for therapy then. Therapists are there to help you. Its in your own interest to cooperate.
@@Robert-to9tc And that would be technique two? 😉
@@manimekhalai8256 so when you come to a hairdresser, you also get out of your way to prevent them from cutting your hair?
@@mauricecornforth1233 If I am "dragged in" to see the hairdresser like Josh was dragged in to see this Marc Tyrrell (assuming that this meeting really happened), then, of course, I will go out of my way to prevent them from cutting my hair. - And, for example, please consider this: Josh - if that encounter ever happened - was a new client to Marc. So Marc probably knew nothing about him or only had the information given by the mother about Josh. And then Marc starts with this provocation about girl friends and sexual orientation - which he calls "misrepresentation" - but which by the client could also be understood as primitive form of manipulation, a sort of invalidation. (Nothing against gay people, but a straight teenager, depending on his background, could experience a questioning of his sexual orientation as insult - and it is Marc, who is playing with that.) Now consider the possibility that a client like Josh has perhaps been invalidated and manipulated all his life by parents, siblings, romantic partner, colleagues, whoever. Do you really think it is kind and helpful and empathetic to start the relationship with a client who has suffered from manipulation and invalidation all their life with just another sort of manipulative invalidation? - Perhaps such a client has learned to "grey rock" such manipulations and think by himself about the therapist who applies them: "This man is just another disgusting idiot - and, anyway, it was never my choice to see him. So why talk to him?" And of what help would that be? - My point is: Please get to know your clients before you try to manipulate them.
@@manimekhalai8256 you make the mistake of assuming that it is the close ones of a person who are always the cause of the problem. They are almost NEVER the cause, apart from very unique cases of physical abuse and total neglect. Most of the time, it's the society and the production relations in it that cause psycological disorders in individuals. Parents can be too demanding, too neurotic etc for exactly the same reason - because the society and the production relations which are dominant in it make them this way. I would recommend reading Ivan Pavlov's works on neurosis. Mark or any other psycologist cannot change the production relations, it's done by the masses and only when the right moment comes (when enough contradictions within the society have been accumulated). But Mark can help an individual ease the pain and suffering. Some of the approach he is using is very materialistic, unlike I think the majority of psycotherapists who are insanely idealistic and blame the person's inner nature for everything.