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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.ย. 2024
- A continuation of the Pokemon Poncho Scammer with more details over the multiple times that he stopped by our booth. Please ensure when purchasing any type of slabs or raw cards to perform your due diligence to avoid purchasing a fake/proxy card! I was lucky this time and was saved by the PSA app.
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He had a smile on his face until the words “let me scan it” came out
He new all along
Everyone knows the first and most important step into buying and collecting PSA graded cards. Is relying on the PSA website or app to check the certification numbers, way before buying the card from anyone. He most definitely knew what he had and what he was doing. You guys are awesome for showing us who he is. It’s truly sad that this hobby brings the worst out of people.
It’s actually an ignorant thing to say that is dude is 100% guilty. Card looked very real. PSA will deactivate certs like this when a card is faked. For all we know this guy had been posting his card on ig or someone who owned it before him did the same and someone faked the cert. When that becomes known to psa they will deactivate the cert. The original real owner just has to send the card in to psa and get it re-slabbed and re-certed. This is why people who post high end slabs cover the cert (so they don’t have to deal with other people faking their card). This guy had a ton of other heat that were scanned and checked and legit. It’s very possible this dude is a victim yet everyone throwing around scammer like they know anything.
So his only card he had that was fake was the exact card the first guy was looking for, and willing to pay over market??? Telling someone they would pay over market to get them to bite on a easy flip.... nahh they working together 😂
My thoughts 100%
Scammers together for sure.
Both was in it if it’s the exact card
Idk if you guys remembered the violin scam story? It reminds me of that. Something along the lines of a rich man going into a pawn shop looking for a rare violin…
6:51 he is smiling but his demeanor changes when the buyer says he is going to scan it ..
"Anything that has value has been faked" - Rick from Pawn Stars
OH HE KNEW SO BADLY.. He got so nervous when you started scanning.. The way he acts, body language.. GUILTY
Also, he obviously didnt have that card together with everything else, it took him ages to pull it out. Also he said nothing about it when you first brought it up. Eww
@@gh0x exactly my thought process after the show. I had to take a step back and look at all the facts. Honestly, I’m so ashamed in myself at the way I reacted in the moment, I wish I would’ve called security or gotten the card confiscated or him thrown out but I honesty believe him at the show. My first big show too…
@@KronosCollects You shouldnt put any blame on yourself. You dodged it and you're taking care of your business by being polite and understanding. Common sense. Of course it would be better to get both him and the card off the floors but you shouldnt put any of that on yourself.
@@KronosCollectsbro this would be so fucked up if you did that. So many cards are faked nowadays for high end. PSA deactivates certs all the time when it becomes know that a card was faked. The original owner then has to send it in for a fresh cert. This guy could be that guy. It happens all time which is why people block certs on socials. I vend. Was buying from another vendor. This guy had a ton of high end, but turns out his psa 9 poncho was deactived. To call him a scammer is a joke - his gold star rays all his other ponchos and gold stars legit. Clearly his card was faked due to him posting on his socials. This dude could very well just be a victim. All these people psycho analyzing his behavior is wild. Also this dudes other heat was legit so got to give some credit there.
@@Esoterik_NW that could very well be the case, however there are a lot of indications within the video that possibly say otherwise. First when made aware that I was looking for the specific card, he didn’t outright say he had it, almost like he thought about showing it to me, and even then, why didn’t he have it with all his more expensive slabs in that brown case? Why keep it separate? Also his body language shifts as I say I’m gonna scan it, not after I say it’s fake almost like he knew. Plenty of other indicators in the video as well that led me to believe that he knew he was selling a counterfeit card. Give it a rewatch and let me know what you think after!
The fact the guy selling high end cards not doing his research is wild. As a new collector this is def a good video to post as someone who just bought fake cards recently.
Proof he knew was fake:
Accepted offer real quick.
When you said "I probably won't buy this" he didn't give a shit and acted as if he didn't heard and continued looking.
When presented with the Scan, he in any momment showed any signs of being "fooled" or being "upset" with the info.
Asked to delete video
Made sure to know someone buyed it (assuming that was true) as if he was trying to say "Hey, you are dumb and wrong, and I'm smart."
You did right to release footage, i dislike dishonest people
He probably keeps a couple of real ones to pass off all the fake ones..
At the beginning of the vid:
I thought he didn't know.
At the end of the vid:
Guilty.
He knew what he was doing and you did the right thing posting this. He would just continue doing this to people.
Hopefully people recognize this dude and watch out.
Scammers are complete scumbags I swear I'm glad ya'll uploaded this clip to expose him 💯
As soon as you said “let me scan it real quick” his face 😂
Best ad for the PSA app ever
He definitely didn’t sell it to someone for $80 either lmao he’s gonna just take it right to the next out of town show
@@matthewlupton1539 on my tik tok someone said that the same card passed their hands from this exact same vendor! I wouldn’t doubt if he still has it and is trying to shop it around
I was uncertain if he knew even looking at his body language after mentioning you were going to scan it he was clearly alerted to a degree but what really sold it for me and fully convinced me that he knew it was fake when he was trying to sell it you is the fact that he came back and said he still sold it. Like you said if he was going to attempt to get his money back from PayPal or his credit card company he would need to provide picture evidence minimally if not send the entire product back like you said. The reality is there likely isn’t a transaction on his PayPal for thousands of dollars he’s trying to have refunded. He in fact probably made money selling it to a local vendor for $80 and that scummy vendor will then turn around and sell it as if it were real to an unsuspecting customer. Anyone with that much money in cards knows how to scan and check if a graded card is authentic. If it was an honest mistake, I wouldn’t be begging them to remove the footage, I would be advocating for them to share it so others aren’t swindled or duped like he was claiming to have been.
7:10 Yes, the usual reaction to finding out you lost thousands of dollars is to silently nod your head. GUILTY.
then sell it for 80 bucks...the smoking gun
His overreaction to them saying they are gonna scan and his under reaction to the result is hilarious.
Clearly knew it was fake. He's done it before and will continue to do it.
How doesn’t this have thousands of views
@@hapi2131 I’m just hoping the right people watch it to raise awareness over fake cards and slabs that are circulating around in the market
I Don't collect these and I'm glad I watched
@@shakascloset1700 thank you for watching man! Means a ton that I’m able to spread awareness even to those outside the hobby!
He didn’t sell it for $80. The reason he said he sold it is so when he tries the same thing on someone else and it comes to light, he can claim it wasn’t him. It clears the cert# from his name.
That eye movement and paypal story doe 😳
I like how he said, “I can show you the PayPal transaction where I bought it” like how would that matter or change the reality of the card being fake?
@@buttermilkbiscut panic story 😝
Lmao he went from browsing the cards happily to standing straight with the hand on beard immediately after you said you were scanning it 😂 GUILTY AF
Yeah without a doubt, his body language and facial expressions once you said "let me scan it", 100% he knew.
The amount of times he probably has gotten away with this is how he was able to afford the kegit cards.
That boy guilty as hell lol 😅
He obviously scanned it too and knew that already.
The guy asking for the card doesn't look like a coincidence to me. Can it be an organized crime? First person come in and say I need a specific card and ready to pay x amount. And second person comes in and say I will sell the card (obviously fake) at lesser amount. To make quick bucks, sellers may fall into this trap.
@@premgct87 I agree with your point, he did however share with me his personal phone number which I’m not sure any scammer would do. I was brokering a deal between him and someone that had an LC Zard at a BGS 9 so that’s the reason I had his number. I wholeheartedly believe that he was not apart of the scam but just a coincidence
@@KronosCollects First guy was at the austin card show, the Charizard collector
We did a good amount of business i don’t believe he was involved at all. He was a standup guy and talked for a solid amount of time.
Delete this comment! Don’t come up with stupid conspiracies. The guy is a straight up legit guy don’t tarnish his reputation with your garbage theories.
This video may get deleted later on. I’m not defending the scammer, if he’s a scammer or not but this is all just assumptions.
What I'm more curious about is. Can anyone tell me where he got the foldable briefcase slab holder from. Never seen it before...
Asking the real questions lol. I am gonna do some digging online
I think these guys were possibly working together. You had an earnest buyer show up and say he's got cash on hand ready to go if you had the card. Now the seller shows up and hes got the exact card you need to make a quick sell. It's hook, line, and sinker right there.
He fumbles around and isn't sure, pulls it out and what do you know, he's got a PSA 10 ready to go.
The second part of the scam is the cash/trade. He's using the cards to exchange for cash and certified real cards.
The first guy probably scans your inventory and then texts him when they have a hit they can use. Then they exchange the fake for a real card and sell those.
@@shoryoken I’ll be honest, I honestly don’t think the first person was apart of a scam. He was a very genuine guy and even gave me his personal number.
@KronosCollects if they were, he'd probably buy the fake card from you so there's no record of the fake. They'd be walking away with a $500-1000 real slab that they picked up for a steal using the fakes trade credit and you'd be none the wiser.
Any good scam needs a good, honest guy at the front of it. You didn't suspect the second guy either until you scanned the card...
His face at 6:51 when you said you were gonna scan it 😄 he blinked rapidly, all the blood from his head went to his toes and his soul left his body lol he knew exactly what he was doing
"Yeah i can show u my paypal" bruh that doesn't take away the fact the card is fake😂 tf
Great content. You guys have good values - need more people like you. Cheers from Berlin 😊
Bro he was at the Austin show in July
First guy was at the austin card show, the Charizard collector
We did a good amount of business i don’t believe he was involved at all. He was a standup guy and talked for a solid amount of time.
I’m gonna make sure he can’t attend any other local shows in Texas or any southeast show. I’ll promise you that.
@@Bigcaa100% agreed, the collector is a very great guy and i truly believe that he was not involved in the incident
@@KronosCollects my uncle Wallace runs the San Antonio Collector Expo
@@Bigcaathat's how they get you 😂 he for sure involved
Clever scam and he acted well but his face changed when they wanted to scan lol
Nah bro that’s too much of a coincidence 🤷♂️ idk if it is that’s crazy
@@hapi2131 I was thinking that too but idk I have no concrete proof to say or not to say that they were together. I’d like to give the collector from out of town the benefit of a doubt because he was a really cool guy
No such thing as coincidence in TCG business
@@rand0mGT yeah for reals
The way homie said why and can u check my other cards says it all
bro the guy is so blatant...his nonverbals show that he's a scammer
Thanks for doing the right thing and uploading this.
guilty - hate when people give bad reps on this and thanks to you guys for this informational video./
WHEN YOU BROKE OUT THE PSA APP HE WAS EYEBALLIN YOU WITH WORRY.
That dudes sphincter clenched so hard and he got so tense when they said it's fake
I think you guys handled that extremely well and honorably. I agree with a lot of the people in here at first I didn’t think he knew but the guilty actions later prove otherwise like asking to delete the clip and selling it off still.
Was the fake very well done? Did it feel or look off? As a collector this stuff worries me , but thankfully you can scan slabs and get a good idea if it’s a real slab or if it’s counterfeit.
@@TCSkillz3310 thank you for the comment! So the fake was actually really off I won’t lie I was just so blinded by the future sale that I had in mind that I looked over key details over the card. The gloss on the front was off along with the back that was too light to be a fake card.
Also the slab was lopsided and looked a bit funky.
@@KronosCollects that’s good to know! I can usually spot fakes pretty quickly but you never know how good they can get haha … appreciate the content, keep it up!
He knew he had a fake…just look at his collection he’s not someone who just join yesterday. And not dumb to not scan a psa card to check if it’s real. And if he bought it through eBay it actually gets shipped to get verified to authentic it before it gets shipped to the buyer
Definitely would need to show PayPal if he wanted his money back so the fact he claimed he sold it says it all
Break it down for us Kronos 🕺🏼
Dude knew it was fake
Where did he get that slab carry case from?
I’d love to have a poncho card one day. If that was me (not realising it WAS fake) I’d be so f**king angry! He doesn’t seem fazed at all 🤨
His whole energy was different as soon as he came up out of his other case with the card, like he almost didn't want to even try handing it to you. I've seen people take bad news like that silently, but that shift as soon as he had it in his hand was a massive tell.
Someone in the business knows about the site. Come on man
I know nothing about this stuff. But this is a fascinating video 😮
All the 3300 sales are from fanatics and fanatics adds a 20% buyers premium. Putting it at an average of 3960, taxes not included which would push it around $4100 depending where you live. That’s why on eBay the sales are much higher than 3200/3300.
@@yellowballoon4143 I actually did not know that!! Thank you for the information kind sir 🤝🏻
i like how when you mention that you were looking for the poncho, he makes this face as if hes like "oh, do i have that?" to try to play more of an act and asks what youre talking about and goes "let me see" as if someone with that card wouldnt know instantly what you were talking about and that he had it...lmao
He knew it was fake
dude with his hand heart symbols lol weird lol
I know you don't want to throw shade on the first guy however this is how scams generally work. I just find it strange that someone is looking for one specific card and all of a sudden that same exact card is waved under your nose not long after.
Did the first guy ever swing by the stall again at all? I know you said you got his number etc, but in all reality I've seen many videos where scammers are more than happy to hand out their number! I wonder if any other vendors had a similar type of interaction with these two.
Would be "one hell of a coincidence" if the first guy wasn't in on it but I guess it CAN happen.
Second guy was beyond sus and the video ending is more than enough to prove that! I honestly don't know of a human that could be swindled that hard and just get on with life if he had bought the fake. Most folk would have kicked off or at the very least questioned it all a little bit more.
Either way I am glad the due diligence paid off and you guys didn't get lumbered with a fake card! Really sad to see the lad still go and fob it off to someone knowing the deal with it. More fool to the person who bought a $3k+ card for $80 with no alarm bells ringing though......
@@donthackbruh6563 the first guy did come back multiple times even at the end of the show and said his goodbyes! I’ve been in contact with him recently and again don’t believe he had any part in it.
i just kept saying to myself, please don't be my city over and over. lol
@@TooJesT1 Happened in Houston unfortunately
But this guy says he goes to a lot of shows in Texas and Lake Charles so be weary
@@KronosCollects Dang, yeah that's close to home; OKC...
There’s no such thing as “I didn’t know it was a fake”. THEY KNOW and they’re trying to scam YOU. Now if you’re all about dropping the soap then hey you do you
I was surprised the guy who wanted to buy the card was so eager to buy it before scanning it, I dont know much aabou this cards but even I would do the scanning before even talking about price
@@dawicked2k8 I was so caught up with the future sell that I had lined up that I overlooked so many of the key things to look out for.
I only have 1 psa base set 2 Chansey..and a ton of raw vintage holos to start my collection purely out of love and nostalgia...my psa chansey is a psa 4...and even I checked that on there website...he knew what he was doing especially for that insane amount of money! Scammer.
Bruh guilty 😂 glad yall checked it
Could these people potentially get jailed if you called the cops ?
@@OrganicStuff1I believe selling a counterfeit (and if you know it’s a counterfeit) it’s considered a misdemeanor but I’m not 100% sure.
Felony at that amount
Once you said you were going to scan it, he gave you that quick look at his eyes. He knew right then and there it was fake. He knows all along.
He knew what he was doing he started looking at you very nervous and very suspicious when you started scanning the card then came to you asking to delete the video Guilty 100% buyers Beware of that guy El que nada debe, Nada Teme
If the card wasn't graded, would you still have been able to tell it was fake? Or would you have made a deal with him?
Just a heads up, if the cert number doesnt come up at all, thats one thing. If the cert number is deacitvated, its likely there are TWO out there, one fake and one real.Of course there are instances where PSA makes a mistake and grades the card incorrectly. Usually PSA will want the individual to reach out to them either way.
Just buy a blacklight the fakes haven’t caught up to that yet
@@mikecasey4997 that’s something on the way for sure!
yall should be subbing up. mans putting out heat videos and 350 subs, cmon guys back man up! wheres the community spirit
@@FrickedUp thank you for the support! Will be sure to upload more vendor POVs as soon as I can! Shows are a little slow right now but have some coming up along with collect a con!
You don't walk around with a good amount of money of cards and not know how to verify PSA card numbers.
You would of bought it if it had a cloned psa cert.
@@zackcutter4837 oh most definitely
PSA saved me. I’m gonna be extra careful at future events
Hey sooo good hat this guy couldnt scamm u guys. Last Weekend i was in Frankfurt trading Card Messe. Some ppl steal my stuff that i Buy there for abouth 250-300 Euro. That feels so bad.
The entry was 7 Euro. I think there are always some ppl who going to this Events to scamm and steal, so pls be careful and Trust Nobody.
It would be so much safer if the leader from this Events put some Cameras in the room.
Sry for my Bad englisch
I’m not gonna lie I think I’m gonna go home and scan all my slabs that won’t on eBay now
I've recently started buying slabs on ebay and the first thing I do is check the cert number. and if it's blurred (A lot of Chinese listings are) I avoid them. And Confirm the cert again when I receive it.
Where do you think ole dude gets the money to do all that ‘good business’? I think possibly the first collector overpaid for the ‘Poncho’ card, and he was trying to recoupe what he paid for a fake card. I think they work together.
@@BuffaloSco I’ve ruled out that possibility, I’ve been in contact with the first collector and do truly believe the collector had no part of it. I’m currently in the process of a possible sell that involves a real Pikachu poncho! Will have an update on that as soon as I can!
@@KronosCollectswell that’s good news!
This is an og scam someone makes a rediculous offer for something specific then another person sells that specific item for cheap once you buy the person who made the original offer vanishes. Scam would work better with a real card selling it for more than its worth with another person offering more than its worth at least with this way nobody loses too much but the way they do it if they get you youre out thousands.
He knew 100% it was fake. Should be banned from shows
yup if he wanted to claim paypal he'd have to send the item back, as it still holds some value. For sure a scammer vene though at first i Thought he didn't know as well.
Why would sell it for 80 instead of returning and getting a full refund. Scammer !
why peter griffin pop out at 8:21
He knew.
What a nasty guy, please expose everyone scamming ppl like this. share hsi face everywhere and make sure no one buys or sells to this guy every again
There's a reason why when you mentioned the card he didn't immediately say oh I have that one let me pull it out. He had it tucked away and thought about it.... he decided screw it they're looking for this specific card and paying market maybe they will get sloppy and snap buy it. Scummy af.
Wow even asking for the footage to be deleted & saying he "sold" it... Yeah okay buddy...
If someone tells you a card is fake, get a second opinion, then you MUST destroy that card if it’s fake. This guy is a criminal.
He doesn't have to destroy anything. Real or fake it belongs to him he can do what he wants with it.
@@MAD_KIOTTI Like sell it as a fake, he absolutely needs to destroy it so it doesn’t get out in the population and some kid, or anyone gets ripped off.
@@Mightyenas_Revengepeople not knowing what deactived means is so hilarious
😵💫 weird how he had all that other 🔥 stuff... but ya something fishy 🤷♂️
@@AxelNotHuman true, very weird he had it separate from his other heat stuff in that brown foldable binder 🤨
I don't understand ... why would someone buy it for $80?
Because they probably think they can bamboozle someone else
I was down and out and bought some gas station gold... They are rings and necklaces stamped 18k with makers mark. I saw one sell on ebay as real for 500$ Im selling mine as immitation gold for 40$ each. That cool? What you think.
@@theprovoked321 that’s fine as long as you market it as fake gold. This guy however marketed it as a real poncho and was caught lying and then sold it for $80 dollars in a hobby that people are willing to spend thousands for that exact same card that he was marketing as “real”.
So a few questions:
How can you tell it’s fake?
How is it in a slab?
@@Snowgoon13 of course, so the front of the card was too glossy and shinny, the back of the card was a lighter blue than normal. As for the slab, the slab PSA label was the wrong color of white along with the psa symbol in the back being too shinny, the slab also did not have sharp 90 degree corners within the slab and the space between the slab and the PSA label was too wide. The slab is also fake, they get plastic and recreate the mold to create those slabs. Rattles video goes a little more in depth over how to catch those fake slabs.
Where is the eBay sticker showing it’s real I have them in my cards
@@reyv308 I think that’s if it goes through authentication which again is weird if it didn’t go through that process for such an expensive slab!
He needs to delete that card: not the video..
Delete it on video
ooo
There’s no such thing as coincidence in business! You keep telling yourself “oh I’ve worked with this guy and I even have his #, he is so not part of it” you’re so gullible
Hispanic guy literally every time ahaha we are prediction machines
Does anyone know his real name?
@@fernandoacevedo2091 unfortunately, I don’t have the name of the individual, however, if anyone does have any names or IGs that can link us to him please let us know!
Idk if he knew or just felt bad it was fake
Not knowing about scanning, though, is a red flag
And the other bit about him reselling it again instead of going through Paypal.
Maybe he didn’t get it through Paypal but still thought it was real
@rattle pokemon
😂😂this guy have multiple slab and dint know the poncho is fake come onnnnnn😂😂😂😂fhhkdk scammer
both guys are scammers. hundo p.
Dudes was probably in shock he lost thousands and couldn’t comprehend wat happened. Honestly I think dude didn’t know what happened to him till later on the way home thinking what his wife was gonna think
Nevermind I saw the ending, yeah he knew it was fake and was trying to to get his money back
Bros rep is roasted... yowzers !!!!!
@@br549-mz1dy his rep went kaput once he sold the card for $80. Selling your rep for 80 bucks is crazy work
Agreed to delete it and then didn’t? Whether he knew or not (which you can’t be sure of), you gotta follow through on your promise. Makes you look sketchy.
@@dereky3817 he also agreed to break and burn the card I don’t know if you missed that part. He went back on his promise, I went back on mine. Also, selling the card after stating that you’re gonna get your money back contradicts that claim. He can’t get his money back from PayPal, +3k, because he has no proof of him still having that item and cannot send it back or send pictures of it as proof of being fake.
What do you think looks more sketchy, me not deleting the video or him forfeiting his right to his +3k dollars from PayPal for $80 bucks?