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OK, fine, we got the memo, so after many complains on our 7800X3D Vs 14900K video, we've caved and decided to investigate the claims of our views that the 7800X3D runs better on with 6000MHz memory as apposed to the faster 7600MHz kit we were running before. So will we be eating our words or were we right from the start? Join us to find out.
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00:00 Introduction
00:51 Sponsor
01:45 The Memory
03:55 How We Test
05:33 A Plague Tale: Requiem
06:12 Baldur's Gate 3
06:37 Call Of Duty: Modern Warfare II
06:57 Cyberpunk 2077
07:18 Cyberpunk 2077 RT
07:41 F1 23
08:13 F1 23 RT
08:33 Far Cry 6
09:03 Far Cry 6 RT
09:27 Hogwarts Legacy
09:50 Hogwarts Legacy RT
10:15 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
10:46 Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered RT
11:14 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
11:47 Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart RT
12:12 Starfield
12:51 1080p Percentage Difference
14:13 1440p Percentage Difference
14:55 4K Percentage Difference
15:36 Conclusion
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Thnx for the video. I was looking forward to this!
So I actually nerfed my 7800x3d in my recent tests, great to know :P. Makes it even more attractive then as the top dog CPU!
Haha. What did you do? 😂
Just ran 7600 across the board@@eTeknix
Did you manually have to set your uclock back for 6000/6200?@@eTeknix
Even the best fall down sometimes 😅 (hinting the best at you Mr. tech yes 😁)
Glad I read the comments. Do it again!!
Is the issue with am5 running over 5200 in expo resolved ? And is 64 gb stable on the platform atm even at those speeds ?
I wonder on what speed you set flck with the 7600 ram kit cause flck when it surpasses mlck lowers performance I run ATM 7200 cl34 on my r5 7600 and put flck down to 1800 and that gave me a small increasement over 6000 in the games I play
Great video and without meaning to skip the content, that was a really good sponsor part - actually not annoying which is a rarity on yt
Thanks. We always try to make them funny and memorable.
Is there anything to the idea that I shouldn't use 4 sticks of memory... only 2?
I had planned on 4 sticks of 16gb DDR5... and still considering 4 sticks of 32gb.
But some say 4 sticks = Bad & slow?
What about the X3D 6000 vs 7600 averages? Halving the UCLK with the faster memory seems to take quite the toll in some games.
This.
Video title is about memory scaling on 7800x3D but the averages are 7800x3D vs 14900k...huh...
Ahhh the video I have been waiting for :D. I predicted the results wouldn't be drastic and I feel my prediction was in line with your data although the differences between 7600 and 6000 were wider than I expected, esp at 1% lows.
I feel that’s the main point. It just irons out some of the dips more than anything. It was never going to see huge jumps in performance.
@@eTeknix yes sir! Thank you from across the pond!
was just asking these questions.
I was more asking, that due to the large cache, needing to do less trips to ram, how slow does RAM need to be to have similar perf to 6000MHz.
Cos I was thinking of minmaxxing a build, A620, 5200RAM and 7800x3d.
my only feedback on this is that a 7900X was too much for my A620M S2H. thought i could blow enough air at the VRM to not throttle, but i was wrong. sadly, i don't know anyone with an 8 core that's tried an A620
Thanks for explaining about memory this is sort of new to me; cause I just bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D system about 2-3 days ago and so far somewhat happy with it. I am concerned about those x3d burn out... my bios is version 1616 American Megatrends May, 2023. I remember in April/2023 was the big ASUS mobo fiasco; but it seems things improved, but I am still a little worried. So another question the motherboard dictates the higher speed DDR5 you can use with stability; I have a ASUS TUF 650 plus wifi...a cheaper one but it works with the 6000 DD5 ram 32 Gigs. But I don't know in the future just to stick with another kit of 2x16Gig 6000... not good to mix up or would be a waste of money since it will always use the lowest module. But I am curious whether this motherboard could handle higher speed memory. I guess the main point of your video is CL latency is the key attribute of thse DDR5 memory modules. I got a decent deal on the Black Friday sales...but I got upset I admit I got a ASUS mobo... but usually ASUS had a good rep in the industry just that fiasco got them into big trouble... Thanks for taking the time to produce this video...
Just check that SOC voltage is at under 1.3v. 1.25 is recommended but BIOSes usually run it at 1.3v for stability reasons. I changes mine to 1.25 with no issues (use override instead of AMD overclocking setting if you do so). Faster memory than 6000mhz is not that good on am5 as you can see on this video. Running more than 2 sticks is harder or might be impossible to run even at 6000mhz on b650 boards since they have worse traces than x670.
Sweet spot for Ryzen is 6200MHz cl30 with FCLK 2066 or 6400 MHz cl30 FCLK 2133 if you are lucky enough. 6000 cl30 FCLK 2000 is the easiest one. It can be achieved with very low voltages and without long stability testing.
I got one of those 5600C28 M-die kits and it runs 6000C28 with buildzoid subtimings without any fuss, really.
@@chapstickbomber exactly the same. runs great!
That sweet spot is for single CCD chips like the 7600X, 7700X, and 7800X3D.
The sweet spot, using enthusiast grade components, Ryzen 9 7900X3D or Ryzen 9 7950X3D can easily achieve stable 7200-8000Mhz DDR5 RAM.
It just requires splitting the Infinity Fabric across the dual CCDs rather than a single CCD, which doubles the overall bandwidth of the Infinity Fabric.
@@RNG-999 idk man sounds fishy to me.
actually wrong fclk does squat uclk is the most dramatic if you can get it to 3400 or 3600 you are golden fclk is junk
why no buildzoid secondary timings ? :(
How on earth did the 7800x3D gain fps at 1440p over 1080p in Starfield?
Yeah some of the results seem to be erroneous and nonsensical. Plus, the Intel CPU is using XMP timings which are terrible. Manual tuning always results in better performance, even if the frequency is lower
the amount of cope is funny@@carfax8336
this is exactly the kind of into i was looking for. thx
How did you get the DDR5-6000mhz to actually run at that speed? I've got a 7800x3d, Asus ROG Strix B650E-F mobo and G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 64gb kit (2x32gb) DDR5-6000 and I can't get it to boot in any of the EXPO settings. Even clocking down to 5,600mhz still won't boot. Bios default is 4800mhz and it's stable there, but that's a long way off from 6,000mhz.
Any tips?
yeah same here. I'm still running my memory at default JDEC speed of 4800. If I enable EXPO/XMP on any of my DDR5 kits I get random blue screens with IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL errors when booting into windows. I have 2 different AM5 boards of different brands and they both do it. Online reviewers don't report this issue but there are pages and pages on reddit, Tom's hardware and many others forums with many talking about similar issues. If I disable EXPO/XMP then it is stable. 1 of my DDR5 kits is on the QVL list for both boards and the other kits isn't but they both do the same error. I guess AMD will never fix this issue. I have never had this issue with AM4 or any intel platform. my 7800X3D is damn fast anyway at JDEC speeds of 4800.
upgrade bios last version
Either upgrade BIOS or faulty CPU (gotten that problem twice now with Ryzen)
Great work! I just missed one chart, 7800x3d 6000 cl30 vs 7800x3d 7600 cl36 averages and 1% low fps
for the resolution percentage difference graphs, the bars should differentiate in color in favor of the manufacturer that performs best instead of being all blue and having to be told which is which
finally someone is covering the topic, sadly there is no regular 7000 series amd to compare everything to as X3D especialy single CCD ones not benefiting from faster ram :)
just set ur infinity fabric to 2066mhz and use 6200 ram, and forget it. it'll crush both configs and it's very rare u cant get it stable with relative ease with hyinix dimms. It's also still at the same 2:3 ratio that the stock infinity fabric frequency of 2000mhz is when using 3000mhz (6000MTS) ddr5. That's where the 6000 target comes from.
Thanks very much for this video. It has made it very clear to me, who is well and truly out of the PC building game and has a Core i7 history. Thanks so much.
i have a ryzen 78003xd wht should i buy 6000 / 6400 / 6800 mhz pleas help me !!
Great video, as I recently bought 7950x to test, I am on 13900k currently, and that data shows that perhaps having 8000mhz DDR5 will not make a difference in current AMD cpus.
Maybe next revisions such as 8950x or 9950x
Thats the purpose of the agesa updates .. AMD has always been about timings hence why the 6000 cl30 is the sweet spot even AMD recommend that speed and timing to all the reviewers at release ( doubt any company is going the nerf there own product at release ) using 7600 ram was never going to show better numbers because ZEN 4 is not made for higher speed ZEN 5 will utilize the higher clocks no doubt other wise why the agesa updates !!
32Gb 6800Mhz CL40 or 32Gb 6000Mhz CL30 is best for R7 7800X3D?
Please do 12th and 13th Gen Intel DDR4 4000c16 vs DDR5 7600.
Is G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MHz the best choice for 7950x3D?
IMO it is. I just ordered 128g of that for my new 7800x3d. The lower CL of 30 imo is better than the higher mhz because I play Star Citizen and people have found this to be the case.
i have the r7 7800x3D and 6000MHz 64gb corsair ram cl40, i know that the 7800x3D is only rated for 5200MHz and my MB can handle 6000MHz. but when i activate XMP for the full 6000 i get either no display or blue screen. i can run it at 5200 but i see others saying they have tested higher than 6000 and have had no issues, so does that mean my ram sticks are bad or something?
It's because it's XMP, if you wanted the absolute fastest speed with AMD you wanted to get the expo version which is amd's optimised version, so basically your stuck at amd's rated 5200mhz
It sucks and maybe there is a bios update that could solve this issue but my guess would be because you have the xmp models. I also made the same mistake of buying xmp but it's fine since I don't really need my ram to go at 6400mhz anyways since it's only CL36 anyways.
6400mhz won’t run on my msi b650 Wi-Fi pro. With xmp enabled. But it likes 5600mhz . I have 7800x3d. Tried 2 different ram kits. Maybe I got unlucky?
I would have been interesting if you use Buildzoid timings for Ryzen.
Or did you tune them manually yourself. Please don't use EXPO ...
All the AM5 boards now have 7600+ MHz sticks on their QVL lists. Would you be able to test this again now that some BIOS changes were made?
I just got some 7200CL34 sticks that are now on my board's QVL list....and yet, I can easily push it to 8000CL36 46 44 1.4 vdd (no boost from stock XMP voltage) with no issues lol
Am i dumb, i dont understand why no use CL30 with Intel CPU
I bought the new Corsair dominator titanium 2x16gb @6000mhz cl30 with Intel XMP and tested it with the 7800x3d. I wanted to test out NZXT’s b650e motherboard as well. Everything runs fine, but with bios update 1.28 with XMP on, It took 5 minutes to boot. With bios 1.27 XMP on, it boots very fast and is very stable. So if anyone is wondering… the 7800x3d is compatible with the new Corsair ram and NZXT B650 and it runs AMAZING. I need to get a 6000mhz cl30 with EXPO to test that out and see if there is any difference. Everything worked out of the box and even better after updates for the chipset, graphics drivers, bios updated, and XMP on. I heard a rumor that higher clock speeds didn’t affect performance and actually hindered it but hadn’t seen any benchmarks or proof yet. The 7800x3d is a BEAST for the price and for its performance. Thanks for the video! Explained everything we needed to know and the benchmarks!
1.28 bios have long boot only on the first boot after changes XMP profile, the 2nd and 3rb boot should be fine
Black friday deals in the Netherlands have dropped the price from 396€ to 349€ for the Ryzen 7 7800X3D wich i am going to get! Thats just such a sweet deal!
Think you have some issues going on with the system, faulty GPU or something, just im hitting way higher numbers on a 5950x paired with a 7900xtx, and 3200mhz - 3800mhz RAM
Apart from performance and price, the AM5 platform is much more power efficient and also has a potential upgrade path depending on what AMD decides to offer us.
I have r7 7800x3d, asus rog strix x670E-a gaming wifi, corsair 64gb 6000mhz CL30 why cant boot with 2 stick ram (dimm 2 and 4) its stop at dram post, with 3 beep speaker, anyone helps ?
Flash your motherboard BIOS.
Instructions on how to do this should be readily available by using Google & the Asus website.
It would probably take about 10 minutes if you knew exactly what you were doing, but it will probably take several hours to figure it out for a beginner
@@miguelito2361 Thanks for respons, Upgrade Bios, Try each Dimm and each Stick Ram, all fail, trying get another Stick Ram From GSkill (on listed RAM Compatible) Works perfect, now im trying to sell That Corsair I Guess it for Intel Platform.
THANK YOU! I was wondering why you were Using 7600mhz memory instead of 6000mhz as it would half the UCLK/MEMCLK to get it stable to my knowledge Atleast🤔
uhh no uclk is the memory controller's frequency and seeing they're both ddr5 it's actually higher on 7600 than it is on 6000. I think ir thinking of getting infinity fabric to 1:2 which u actually don't have to do but would be a reduction from the default of 2000mhz. also yeah not only do u not have to do it but it'll be worse too. At 7800 maybe but ryzen 7000 already loses about a third of its memory bandwidth at ddr5 6000 due to the infinity fabric only being able to transfer 64GB/s at the default 2000mhz (ddr5 6000 is almost 100GB/s btw) so lowering it's frequency is a pretty bad idea period. What you should be doing is truing to get 2066 which is pretty easy and 2133mhz inf fabric stable with 6200mhz and 6400mhz ddr5 respectively to keep the same 2:3 ratio while mitigating the fabrics bottleneck a bit in the process.
So i can throw 6000mhz ram with a 7800x3d? even tho its said 5200mhz..
I’m really liking the new look Gigabyte has brought to the BIOS. The mouse works a little better but I still went back to using the keyboard in the BIOS.
Is this the DDR5 6000 CL30? Team T-Force Delta RGB 32GB (2 x 16GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000 (PC5 48000) Desktop Memory Model FF3D532G6000HC30DC01
I run my 7800X3D @7800mhz with a 2200 Fclk. Tight timings, 59ns latency. So I guess your mileage & knowledge varies
How you got 7800mhz. What motherboard? From what I understand 6400-6600 is the achievable...
Search for a forum called "AMD DDR5 OC And 24/7 Daily Memory Stability Thread" it is a wealth of information. I have a Asus Crosshair Gene it does 8000mhz and ROG Strix X670E-F it does 7800mhz
Im glad you listened to us bc i definitely was one of the first to complain about it lol.
Nerfed 7200 gskill to 6400 36 to 28 cl
2133 fclk
Xmp on
Seems to work with 7800x3d, didn't heavy tested yet but previously I had all kind of trouble with 6000expo kit z5 neo when trying even 6200
Recommendation for improvement - adding in tests POWER consumption and TEMP summary table
We normally have temps and power in our day 1 reviews but will look to add it in the future.
@@eTeknix Wonderful, just wonderful. Can help builder to easily plan a build, maybe more expensive parts, but cheaper in long run + more silent alltogether. Missing this part on other YT channels
im using ddr2 right now, and im planning a new computer. 7800x3d, but trying to pick the right ram and the right and graphics card.
What? Using DDR2 your system would have to be like 20 years old. Are you still running Windows XP or something
@@ram89572 it's from 2008. It's an athlon 2 from my works attic. 2 cores, and 4 GB of RAM. All in a dell optiplex 3010 case I found.
I run Linux mint cinnamon, (probably should go to XFCE) it works ok for web browsing and music.
First booted up to XP as found though!
@@ram89572 Core 2 systems use ddr2 - they have 4 cores and are very capable for their age. Had one on Windows 7, but I don't see a reason why Windows 10 wouldn't work (assuming enough DDR). Obviously it probably won't run any of the games tested here, but then again, who'd actually want to play these for fun?
I'd like to see the14900K test , with 6000 C30 vs 7600 C36. Is that would be the same as amd ?
no
the Ryzen memory controller can clock at 3/3.2GHz, so at 6000 the memory controller is at 3GHz, and at 7600 the memory controller is at 1.9GHz, therefore increasing latency
the Intel memory controller cant do 3GHz, so at 6000 it clocks at 1.5GHz and at 7600 it is at 1.9GHz, so it decreases latency, so 7600 will always be better
@@catonturtle3202 Intel memory controller runs at 1/2 of memory speed (in Gear 2) so it's 3.8GHz for DDR5 7600.
@@dsdfasefes1883 no because it's Double Data Rate ram meaning each clock cycle information is transferred twice, therefore 3800MHz gives you 7600 speed
@@catonturtle3202Yep, my bad I stand corrected.
i haven’t watched the video yet butI think on average the point at which over 6000 is better is 8000 as the latency is back down to around 6000 lvls but u get the huge bandwidth increase.
So the chips perform very close to each other however, you fail to mention that Intel is using in excess of 120 watts more power simply trying to keep up.
Yes. Because it has an extra 12 fkin cores running at the same time lol
I appreciate the ammount of work done to produce this video. But nevertheless I have some criticism: Sometimes results have to disregarded or put out of the calculation of the final result!
I'm talking about the Starfield results! They make absolutely NO sense! More FPS on 1440p than on 1080p? around 18% higher FPS JUST BY CHANGING RAM settings?! The fact that the FPS are the same with the 7800X3D @7600MT/s AND the 14900K ... as it SHOULD BE at 4k!
There was clearly a change of settings or a patch of the game changed the performance or something like that.
I still dont get why Intel has such a variety of cpu's, but no gaming cpu? Is the market to small?
It's not about slower memory and tighter timings, it's about at 6000mhz the infinity fabric runs at 1:1 while over 6400 it can only run desynchronized at 1:2 inducing a ton of input lag thus 7600 being much worse.
wrong actually you can go all the way to 6800 1:1
A comparison with low competitive games at low detail levels would be interesting; here you would probably achieve a higher 1% fps with more MHz
Agree, how can you test a cpu in a gpu bound scenario aka "Ultra Settings".
Starfield results ???
For my 7800x3d, should i go with a Corsair DDR5-5200 (Max Memory Speed as of AMD page) or try Corsair DDR5-5600 or even Corsair DDR5-7200??
im no PC expert, but 5200 looks to be the recomended speed, although everyone is running at 6000. well if you really want to you can get 7200 and run it lower at 6000. if thats stable after testing then maybe you can tweak it up to where you thinks its safe. ive seen a few people run it at 6400
5600 c28 or 6000 c30. Look for 2 dual rank sticks that's where most of the performance gap will come from.
I'm still running my memory at default JDEC speed of 4800. If I enable EXPO/XMP on any of my DDR5 kits I get random blue screens with IRQL_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL errors when booting into windows. I have 2 different AM5 boards of different brands and they both do it. Online reviewers don't report this issue but there are pages and pages on reddit, Tom's hardware and many others forums with many talking about similar issues. If I disable EXPO/XMP then it is stable. 1 of my DDR5 kits is on the QVL list for both boards and the other kits isn't but they both do the same error. I guess AMD will never fix this issue. I have never had this issue with AM4 or any intel platform. my 7800X3D is damn fast anyway at JDEC speeds of 4800.
I have the same problem! 7800x3d and 6000 CL30 32 GB ram. If I enable XMP profile to get the full 6000 speed my pc will randomly reboot while gaming. It’s so inconsistent it made it horrible to diagnose. I’ve disabled XMP and it’s been a couple of days of gaming and have not had any restarts. I don’t know how some people are able to use the faster speeds without stability issues…
@@abnerjap do a google search on AM5 and EXPO and you’ll see so many forums with this as an issue. Very very common.
Let me know if you fund a solution for it.
have you fixed your issue? I'd like to know what mother and ram brand youre using. not sure if youve already seen ErockOnTech's vids on it but he had issues with his ASUS boards and while in a call with ASUS they really recomended a fresh windows install and that gamebar is update. besides that I cant remember if theres was any other solutions
@@MyOpinyin I can’t say that I have fixed my issue yet. I’ve been keeping a log of when I have these random reboots and what I’ve been changing each time. As of right now I have turned off EXPO completely and my ram is running at 4800. It’s been 3 days since I have had a reboot. (I only play a couple of hours a day and the reboots always are random and have some time between them so I’m not writing it off as fixed)
I am using an MSI B650M Mortar WiFi and my ram is G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo F5-6000J3038F16GX2-TZ5N.
I was running G.Skill Ripjaws S5 F5-6000J3040F16GA2-RS5K before and realized these were “designed” for intel xmp so I thought maybe this was my issue…I changed to the new ram and it was running for a couple of days at 6000 with expo enabled before it rebooted randomly.
Even if turning off EXPO is the solution it’s just odd that I’ve paid for 6000 and I just won’t be getting that? Lol
@@abnerjap according to ErockOnTech the best place to run your ram at is 5200, since that's what the AMD website recommends(i checked), but he said if it's running stable for a bit then to slowly bump it up to 6000, stress testing it every time you do so then follow that up with a "cold start" to make sure your system can complete the whole power cycle. I've even seen people run it at 6400 it all depends on the "silicon lottery". the reason people are running it at 6000 was, because that's what everyone was running it at before the issues with 7800x3d and certain motherboards started(about 8-9 months ago). it's been a long time. I assume everything should be fixed/compatible now, so who knows if you have a bad CPU, bad motherboard or understandably didnt install the CPU without properly following a bunch of steps.
I'm not a PC expert. I'm actually researching the parts I need to build a system around a 7800x3d, but the biggest issue seems to be motherboards, ram compatibility and then voltages. your ram should be fine, but I've heard that ASUS and MSI might be one of the lower quality motherboards. you might want to try a motherboard from asrock or gigabyte(i've also heard bad stuff about gigabyte) or as last ditch effort try a different ram brand. if you dont want to do that then you should download hwinfo and check the temp of the specific CPU component, that ErockOnTech's vid points out, to make sure nothing is running too hot. then try the solutions i gave in the other comment. make sure you have the latest BIOS(that's non-beta), before you install the CPU.
I hope you resolve your issues. if you do, please tell me what you did to resolve it. your situation really sucks and I know it would be triggering my anxiety.
You should clarifiy what the memory CONTROLLER SPEED is on both systems! Running 1/2 speed of the ram gives best results. Regular users think the Amd at 1/4 divider is the same as Intel which can run 1/2 speed(way better). Why dont you start saying this at the start of the video?! Because of that Buildzoid vid ppl think AMD can run 7600Mhz 1/2 divider.
i think the real decision on what processor would be the best choice would come down to if you do more than game on your system or not. if you are purely gaming, its going to be the 7800x3d and if its a mixed bag the 14900k starts to make more sense. 3% on average just isnt enough to worry about to me. if i was to build right now, id do the 7800x3d because i just game and watch youtube videos on my pc. that being said, im going to ride my 9900k out a couple more years.
Isn't AMD usually better for multi thread tasks, did that change?.
@@tigreclaws with the addition of e-cores, intel does quite well in multi-threaded workloads. the 14900kf for example is about $550-$560 with the 7950x about the same price while trading blows in productivity, but intel leading in games. the 7950x3d is about $700 is very close with the 14900kf on all aspects, but costs about $150 more. the 7800x3d tends to be faster in gaming then the 7950x3d. there are lots of benchmarks by youtubers showing the 7800x3d being the top dog in terms of gaming and the intel 13900/14900kf being the better deal in terms of mixed workloads with a caveat being its power consumption.
@@tigreclaws This still hasn't changed. The 7950X delivers the same performance, but at lower costs and massively better efficiency.
Dont. I just switched from 9900k to 7800x3d. Night and day lots of weird slow downs and stutteri g is simply gone, if not getting 50 to 100% gains at least those low 1% and stuttering is non existent also gen4 ssd now running at 7400mb/s might add to it dramatically
For productivity I'm not sure I could ever recommend a high-end intel. I've run render tests on peer CPUs between these brands and the rendering speeds always favor AMDs. I'd just drop the X3D if you want faster render speeds. A swap to AMD has proved to double my render speeds reliably. Intel only makes sense for a cheap render build where you're reliant on the built in encoder chip. Cause then it can make up the performance gap. But if you're buying high end you definitely have a GPU encoder in there already. 50% off for AMD, and 50% off for using a hardware encoder to speed things up. A render that would take me 1 hour on intel (software only) ends up taking me 15 minutes on AMD. If I use quicksync to speed things up then intel cuts down to 30 minutes, but still, the gap is large.
I'm lost... is this video about RAM scaling, or AMD vs. Intel? I have more interest in the scaling item, thus clicking on the video titled as such....
-bZj
It was a follow on video from another video where we put the 7800x3d vs the i9 and people asked that we test with different memory and this is the result of that.
Are you even stable or o
you just boot and test
6000 mhz + CL30 gotcha Thanks
While I wasn't one of those questioning your original results... you cannot (or should not) describe "scaling" between only two points. You have no idea whether there is a linear relationship or not. Ideally, you would have tested 5 points, starting at 4800 MHz. I know that's a lot of work because I spent a lot of time doing it myself for DDR4 testing.
Also, I was surprised that in your summary you had no graph showing the difference between the two frequencies. You didn't describe what you were comparing in your round-up between the Intel and AMD chips: was it with the 6000 memory or the 7600 memory.
And, maybe I missed it, but you didn't post any primary or secondary timings of the two AMD DDR5 setups. This makes is hard for the user to assess anything that may have been good/bad about them.
In my DDR4 testing, I came to the conclusion that memory IC quality is actually more important than the timings. i.e. if you have a lower quality at the same frequency and primary timings (assuming that's achievable) it would not perform as well. Yes, I know maybe that's unexpected but it was the data I got.
In that vein of thought, it would have been better to test using the same memory, with the settings/timings of the 6000CL30 instead of switching-out sticks.
come on dude you didn't know if you use over 6400mhz (at 6400mhz your infinity fabric ratio its still 1 to 1 with your ram if you overclock it at 2133mhz) on amd you have to keep infinity fabric at max speed and without 1/2 ratio with 7600mhz or more ram speed and if you want all around cpu from amd you buy 7950x3d faster for rendering faster for gaming
Thanks man u just spare 200 dollar from upgrading ram from 6000mhz to 8000 kit with am5
Amazing vedieo keep the good work
I sugest adding the g skill 5600 cl28 kit
Is tighter timing give better results than 6000mhz cl30???
yes
@@DohanZzon have u tried it???
Woah the 1% low chart is like Yin Yang
I think you are missing the point of scaling memory with the 7800X3D. (You don't want to go above 6400Mhz on single CCDs)
The single CCD CPUs from Ryzen 7000 series, like 7600X, 7700, and the 7800X3D each prefer a maximum DDR5 Frequency of around 6400mhz.
The Ryzen 9 7900X/X3D and Ryzen 9 7950X/X3D can all easily achieve a stable 7200-8000Mhz overclock AND show substantial benefit from it because the dual CCDs allows for double the overall Infinity Fabric bandwidth even while "split".
so wrong you are the infinity fabric is the same regardless
Im so relieved, just bought 7500F with 6000 CL30 RAM lmao
Where can you get the 7500F, in Asia? Where I live it's not really available as a separate part.
@@hiriotapa1983 aliexpress I guess
i think the most important point is that every am5 board and i include cheapest most garbage can do 6000 cl30. Intel though, you cant expect every cpu to run 7600 with cheap boards, 6800 is expected on most of the combinations. So you should include mobo prices to consideration. am5 is way better at price to performance than you say when it comes to gaming.
The reason performance gets dunked with 7200 has nothing to do with timings. 7200 would have better latency / bandwidth if memory controller could Run it.
You're running on 1:2 at that Frequency, incurring in a significant latency penalty .
6000 isnt sweetspot. The sweetspot is whatever Frequency is Higher while still maintining 1:1. This varies Somewhere between 5800 and 6600, depending on sillicon lottery and your effort/skill at tuning.
Obviously you can Only find that number if you're tuning. For xmp, 6000 works because it's "safe", ish.
i cant use 7600 mhz ram with 14900k
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Summary: Tighter Timings Wins. Plus with the 6000mhz ram you can get 128gigs instead of max 96 gigs with the 8000mhz ram.
7200 cl36 and 6000 cl30 has the Same CL "Speed" with a latency of 5 nanoseconds
I was expecting to see a more reasonable comparison vs. 6400mhz memory LOL...but I'll take it.
I have 6400MHZ CL30 💪
Interesting. Looks like faster memory timings give better performance than faster MHz speeds on Ryzen 7000.
I'm sure the results would be different if got CL30 on 7600Mhz against it. As I have heard lower CL is better rams as it'll have better data cycle. Which could explained why 6000Mhz CL30 is faster then 7600Mhz being on CL36 even CL40 would be slower then both!
If it shows the differences in energy consumption, it will be a brutal humiliation for Intel.
AMD made the CPU of the decade!
Those Spiderman RT results make absolutely no sense. 12fps difference between 1080p and 4K has to be wrong.
Then you show Starfield with huge results for AMD at 4K? But then say it beats Intel by a single fps. Uhh what?
I love how 14900k placed 1 fps behind ryzen all the time
Personally believe 6400Mhz is the new sweet spot as many X670 and B650 boards have proven to run that speed of memory just fine.
In theory, CL36/7600MHz RAM should have lower access latency than CL30/6000MHz, so the results are surprising.
ive been running 6000 onmine since i installed it months ago i have a 7950x
ddr5 6400 cl30 seems to be the best speed as of now.
with the W it's using and the Heat it produce ... the 14900k is a clear loser and by a mile...
I actually run my ram at 5600 rather than 6000 just to baby my Memory controller.
7800x3d has so much cache that Ram speed is the last of my worries.
Having enough Ram is much more important to me
Why not increase it up to say, 5800 MT/s? Seems like a decent margin still, to me, and there should be a bit more performance in some applications.
@@predabot__6778 I guess I just went with 5600 because it's what AM5 guarantees
There's no need whatsoever to "baby" the memory controller, especially if you don't overvolt.
@Cuthalu I've heard of memory controllers degrading on AMD CPUs when IF is ran at above recommended speeds
Any one who truly knows AMD knows timings over speed been like that for years ZEN 4 is not made for 7600 plus speeds so obviously cl 30 6000 is going to beat it ..the agesa update is most likely for ZEN 5 and beyond !!
AMD tried it best to help sell overpriced high speed memory but it failed because proper tuned 6000mhz is all you want/need
I think it would be a lot more interesting to test the 7950X instead of the 7800X3D.
It has a better IMC and it would be interesting to see if it can match the 14900K for gaming with the new AGESA.
Also try it with 6400MHz RAM which is the new sweet spot for AM5.
Why? The 7800x3d is AMD's best gaming CPU. The 2 CCD layout of the 7900x, 7950x and their x3d couterparts is detrimental to gaming becuase of the added latency. The entire reason the x3d CPUs have an advantge over the none x3d ones is the huge L3 cache enabling the cpu to process more data on die without having to access the ddr5 at all.
@@whatyareckon5985 Exactly. X3D CPUs don't benefit much from faster RAM whereas non-3D CPUs do.
The 14900K shouldn't be compared to the 7800X3D but to the 7950X which is its direct competitor.
@@Nayah9 nah, best Intel gaming CPU vs best AMD CPU, it is fine :D
@@arp1 The 14900K isn't a gaming CPU. It's a multi-purpose CPU, just like you guessed it... The 7950X.
@@Nayah9 14900K is not an exclusively gaming CPU for sure, but it's still Intel fastest CPU for gaming :)
I'm prety shure in the 4k starfield the 7800X3D 6k cl30 beats intel for a lot more than a single fps 😉
You might complain about "AMD fanboys" but I think quite a bit of that is from the fact that many Techtubers setup the Intel system with everything cranked to "11" and away you go. Now for an Intel processor this is just fine but basically duplicating the Intel system, because it's always about the big numbers, and swapping Mobo and processor for the AMD system really is quite ignorant if you're trying to be "fair". Why don't you do the reverse and set up an AMD system with a low end board, cheap air cooler, and use the 6000 MT/s DDR5 and apply that to the Intel system. Let's see all the "Intel fanboys" coming out of the woodwork then.
please do this with Intel.
Will be but more extensively
outstanding. i will be looking forward to it. ty.@@eTeknix
Think it is safe to say that the Ryzen 9 7950X3D while overclocked using External Clock Generators on a motherboard that can specifically run higher frequency RAM will be 10-15% faster than the I9 14900K in all scenarios except code compile lol.
If you get the hardware that can enable the features, you can run 7200mhz, 7400mhz, 7600mhz, 7800mhz, and up to 8000mhz DDR5 RAM using either the Ryzen 9 7900X3D or Ryzen 9 7950X3D.
Specifically, it needs to be either the 7900X3D or 7950X3D because the extra CCD allows for double the Infinity Fabric bandwidth.
I can overclock a 7950X3D to 5.45ghz on all 8 X3D-cores and 5.9ghz on all 8 regular cores.
wrong
Make videos proving it…
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at 4K even DDR4 is still good
There is huge difference once u set 7600 cl32, i tested the gskill 7600 cl36@ 8160 cl34 45... and with 6160cl30 56fps 7760 59fps, 8160mhz 64fps. When the bandwidth is not needed the CL gives us better fps. So going from 7600 to 7200 cl30 with 1.6v would be the fastest atm average on 40 games
1.6v lmao a waste most you need is 1.4 on good ram
What xD 7800 cl32 44 44 or 7600 cl 32 44 44 with 1.4v?vdd? The point is if u could do 7800cl32 with 1.4v than u could probably be able to do like 7800cl30 1.53, and 7800cl28 1.64v. And i never seen that. Cl 28is for oveeclocked 6200memory, sometimes 6400
Now try 32gb vs 96gb
Don't go over 6kMT... wtf... not on AMD... infinity fabric much? If you have a workload that actually benefits from more than 6k, sure, but games... oh hell no....
Sorry so I should
Get 7800x3d with 5600 mem
No 6000 cl30
Should repeat this with 8000 MHz, since 7600 has no benefit to 7800x3d and is subsiquently meaningless to bench.
damn the ryzen get slower the better the ram? lol, even i5 14600k beat it with 7200 mhz rams
what I'm taking away from this is CL36 is horrible and CL30 is better.
Bro u cant test cpu and use ultra lol use low 1080p then u see the ddr5 magic
The 14700K may even compete with a 7800X3D the problem is in the fact you need faster, more expensive ram on intel to make it better. Ram really helps intel as the X3D CPUs from AMD don't rely on ram that much. I replaced my 13900KS platform for a 7950X3D simply because of the costs that come with it. Aside from twice the power costs, you need a much better motherboard to be able to use your power hungry CPU and more expensive ram kit in a meaningful way with intel. Low speeds with mega tight timings aren't better than higher speeds with good timings, at least not from my experience with intel.
I had a MSI z790i edge itx board because it was the cheapest board (still 400 euros) to support higher speed kits, and still to this day I think it doesn't support 7800 gskill trident Z ram kits without tweaking, which is the kit i have.
Im happily running a b650 board that costed half of the intel msi board, i need half the power, even when gaming. Most important of all, my computer is now much quieter due to the heat being so much easier to control in gaming.
Overall, going with an X3D CPU is just better because $h!t just works out of the box with little to no tweaking, specially the 7800X3D. And given AMD support on the AM4 platform, I'd rather support a brand that has an architecture model that cares about the amount of Ewaste one creates.