0:30 The AMD Website clearly says that the 7800X3D is a "gaming processor", not mentioning creators. Then you said you tested are testing the 7800X3d and show the 7950x3d webpage for what "AMD says". You are misleading the audience.
In the video, he said AMD told him they were sending the 7950X3D, then for some reason sent him the 7800x3D without prior notice, probably left all that in there out of spite because he probably had a partial script written out that included all the specs you could find online.
@@TheGameBench I am not ANTI AMD ,, I just get a brain aneurysm reading the rubbish AMD fan-twerps spread. Buy on price and use case NOT on brand name.
Most people don't realize that the TDP rating has nothing to do with the actual wattage that the CPU pulls. TDP is what the manufacturer expects to be the required dissipation capacity requirement for the model. The reason the 7800x3d is rated for 120w TDP is because of the 3d V-cache layer that sits between the cores and the IHS, and also because the IHS on the 7XXX series is thicker to accommodate older coolers. The chip draws up to ~90W or whatever it is, but AMD recommends a cooler that cools 120w TDP or more to "keep up" with the extra "distance" that the die has to the cooler itself. It works the same in reverse. If we de-lid, we get lower temps because there is less material for the heat to be dissipated through, we get a more efficient cooling system, and can thus get away with using a worse performing cooler. In other words, we have lowered the TDP.
Where did you get the idea that the 7800X3D was meant for productivity? Genuinely curious because you are being misleading about AMD marketing this chip as a productivity cpu… it’s the fastest gaming cpu rn
It's as simple as this: you game more: x3d. You render or create more: more Cores. Both are equally important and you need highest performance: 7950X3D. Intel can not be recommended ATM due to known stability issues.
@@bygalaxy115 Two things a) it's unclear if this fix covers the actual problem or only parts of the problem b) if your CPU has already started degrading, the fix in best case can stop further degradation. It cannot repair physical damage.
7800X3D it's a gaming CPU, if you're a content creator who play games, then 7950X3D its what you're supposed to get which gives you 8 cores with 3D cache and 8 cores with higher frequency
Gaming first content creation second, it’s as easy as that. This video makes no sense :/ everyone knows the x3d are slower than the non x3d chips in any synthetic workload but gaming
This processor has a 96 MB L3 cache thanks to the 3D V-Cache1. Benefits in non-gaming tasks: 3D Simulations and Rendering: The 3D V-Cache accelerates the calculations needed for fabric simulations, 3D modeling and rendering. Video editing and graphic design: Applications that require quick access to large data sets benefit from the larger cache. (Davinci) Code compilation: The 3D V-Cache reduces latency and improves performance when compiling programs. Data analysis and scientific calculations: In tasks involving large data sets, such as simulation analysis or mathematical calculations, the extended cache is advantageous.
6:22 TDP is not the power usage, but rather the cooling requirements. A higher TDP, for a processor that doesnt actually use that much power often indicates a smaller compute die that needs to be cooled to a lower temperature than other chips. TDP(W)=tCase°C - tAmbient°C)/(HSF θca) for normal CPUs, and i cant find it but i thought i saw that they had a modified formula speciffically for X3D due to the stacked chip and material between the silicon layers. They may also have a different formula for mobile. Also of note, i wouldnt reccomend it due to reduced cache and PCIe lanes, but AMD APUs are killer for efficiency in all fronts. Extremely low idle power draw, better performance scaling than the desktop parts Now i can tune a 13400 to be more efficient at idle than an 8700g, but out of the box the 8700G is more efficient at idle. Just too bad you give up 8 PCIe lanes, and only get 1/2 the cache. This lack of cache actually hurts efficiency. Sure it helps reduce power at the socket, but system wide this means it needs to hit RAM FAR more often meaning that as an entire system, its only a little better than, say, a 7800X
Buddy thanks a lot for all your videos, research, test's etc, really thank you. I have one question, is there a processor that will allow me to edit 4k footage from a sony fs7 or similar with some graphics, transitions, color correction without having to render all the time or make proxies? I know I need fast storage, lots of ram etc... Right know I have a i7 9700k
I have the 7800X3D and have been using it for a year. I have been doing video editing mainly for a while. It isn't a CPU for content creation. I've had issues with crashes, lagging etc. It's for gaming.
Do you have the latest AMD chipset drivers installed? I’ve found it really improves the the overall speed of everything, not just gaming, on my 7800x3d build at home and a 7900x3d build we have at work (because the processor was on a good sale for like just over 300 USD, and it replaced an X299 based i9 7940x build)
@@empedance1933 Of course, I keep everything updated. It's just that I'm pretty picky and video editing is better on more cores. I know I could get a much smoother experience with something like a 7950X3D
thumbs up for idle measurements, if you work remotely and play rarely, and live in Europe, it makes a bit of difference. Marketing does not lie - marketing is too generic term - youtubers lie, or they are incompetent/ignorant/focused on views so they will say whatever works.
I really need to suggest you make video about AM4 vs AM5 with ryzen 5/7/9 comparison for video editing, theres no content like this no where on the internet. Thank you so much for bringing content for creators and not only gaming FPS nonsense. We definitely need more comparison for GPUS and CPUS between AMD itself and intel itself.
I was going to start an Intel build but after the CPU problems that have come to light as of late I am looking into the AMD 7950x and the 7950x3d. The 3d looks like it runs cooler with a little less performance. I might do the 3d over the x because I like to air cool. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Content creators that game on a budget should be getting the 7900x 3d with very little tweaking I got my ram to run at 6400 and I get base 7900x benchmark numbers. And I paid 320 in June. I’m using an ncore max, so I was concerned about heat. The extra cores do their job,
In most cases creators will only benefit from bigger L2 cache and not the L3. Unless if you are a gamer who streams a lot , then yes . The L3 cache will give a massive boost and allow you to stream games .
Even though AMD sent the wrong CPU, and that made your script confusing and misleading, it still helped. I was planning to upgrade my PC and stay with Intel and get at least the latest i7 as someone who plays games and edits videos as well. But we all know well unless you live under a rock about what's going on with Intel CPUs right now. If someone is planning to buy a CPU at the end of 2024, they should definitely buy AMD, and I am saying this as someone who only had an Intel CPU in his PC for 20 years. For me, the question is if I want to buy 7800x3d or 7700x. But seeing the performance in gaming where 7800x3d is a clear winner and in productivity for the apps I am using (Photoshop and Davinci Resolve), it's pretty much the same, so it's worth the gaming performance in my opinion. I am still going to wait to get it for cheaper till it drops below 400 euros because right now for me it's 140 euros more than 7700x. If you are not into gaming that much, just go with 7700x; it will be the best CPU you can get for ~300 euros. Unless I missed something and there is a better CPU in this price range for gaming and productivity. Like I said, don't go with Intel 13th/14th generation because of obvious reasons. Also, don't get me wrong, it's outperformed by 7800x3D, but 7700x is still an amazing CPU for gaming as well.
Please don't get the 14600K, get the 13600K for ~$60 - $110 cheaper. Same specs, and performance difference is minimal, mostly due to default Max Turbo clocks. My 13600K I got used for $210, and overclocked it to 5.5GHz., so it runs faster than the 14600K at stock.
There are a lot of creators out here who use their computers to write music using applications like Cubase, Ableton and others. It is hard to find anyone who tests these applications. It would be great if you could add them in to your process, please.
Will AMD IGPU video editing be enabled and smooth, especially when previewing multi track 4K videos? Which one has better performance in video preview, AMD IGPU or Intel UHD770?
All (or almost all) AMD 7000 series can run 2 RAM sticks at 6000MT/s even if the official specs say 5200MT/s. You can go WAY higher if you set the command rate at 1:2 but its is only usefull when datarate is more important than latency. With 4 sticks is more or less the same story but 6000MT/s on 4 sticks may be a 50/50.
Small correction: command rate has nothing to do with that (at least not directly), you basically switch from a RAM frequency synchronous to the IF (and other busses) to an asynchronous mode. And the synchronization of data transfer causes the additioal latencies.
i think over 5200 mt/s(so EXPO) with 4 Sticks is really dependent on CPU lottery, but there are actually 192 gb 6400mt/s expo kits from Gskill (tho extemly expensive) I hope tho no one in his right mind will run 4 Sticks of Ram with a 7800x3d you can get 48 Gb/s in 2 Sticks with 6400mt/s and EXPO, that should fullfill the needs for 99,99% of the Gamers/7800x3d users. PS: For The new Threadripper Platform you actually can get 384 GBs of OctaChannel Ram with 6400 mt/s and EXPO
There is false info in this video. Certain AMD AM5 mainboards support up to 6400 MHz DDR5 when populating 4 DIMMs, not only 3600 MHz as claimed in this video.
You're wrong and at the same time you are right. The specs clearly state 5200 MT/s RAM with 1DPC and 3600 MT/s with 2 DPC. That are the specs that AMD guarantees. What you are thinking of is the actual RAM speeds that might be achieved. However 6400 is already on the top of what can be achieved with RAM synchronous to IF, usually it's more like 6000-6200 (however 8000+ can be achieved in asynchronous modes). And 6400 with 4 DIMMs is a golden sample.
@@johnscaramis2515 My claim is based on the memory QVL lists of Asus and MSI. Look it up and find which board and which memory sticks can run at 6400 MHz in 4 population.
What were the BIOS settings during your tasting ? My 7900x is getting over 100 better scores on most of those benchmarks no OC whatsoever just tuned to stay at or bellow 85c.
Another note: 7800x3d is FASTER on latency sensitive workloads, for example, audio production. Actually, 3d rendering, video encoding, etc... are NOT latency sensitive.
Can you show 1 core power consumption.....i know for 7800x3d it is 14W and for 14600k is 22W. In productivity test 7800x3d takes more time to complete but it is very efficient and takes less electricity
I was not at all impressed with the AM5 based EPYC 4004. Its just Ryzen with an EPYC name. I was hoping we'd get 16X3D cores as an option, and 32 Zen4C cores as an option. Heck maybe even an 8X3D+16Zen4C cores
Having owned both 7700x and 7800x3d since their respective launches, the x3d is a MUCH better design **IF** you manually tune RAM/Fclk/Eclock/per core CO/cool it properly. Once tweaked the X3D feels faster/snappier than a fully tuned 7700x and only synthetics will show the regression in apps with poor cache locality. 7700x was gimped by the 55.5 multiplier and should've gotten the 57 default 1t max.
Good analysis, but in this whole explanation you left out a very important part. Gamers streamer! Personally, I don't think I lost anything by switching to 7800 3dv! On the contrary, I won and a lot, Igrovo is soupy, and a difference of 5-8 percent for a clip saver, in half an hour it takes me about 15 minutes... I can't even drink my coffee in peace ;) So this chip has its place among creators too! But it really matters what one does and what one digs to do it, because this chip is definitely not suitable for processing large files, but it should have power. Here the reason is programs that are limited in caching ;) However, how many chips offer 100BM and above cache ;)
The vast majority of synthetic benchmarks take into account the number of cores, frequency and other factors. They don't make sense for comparing different cpu's but they are very useful for comparing changes that we can make to our cpu's settings. That's all they're good for. A 14900K in the R23 does 40,000+, the 7800X3D does 18,000; more than 100% ! What does this specifically tell us? Nothing.
Hi there, please have a power meter to test power draw measured at 12V rails. Thats more accurate. And TDP is not a electrical power specification. Its about thermal power.
PLEASE, PLEASE! Check on the new 9000 Series I hope that’s the perfect option for creators I’m about to invest 3K on a new PC I was decided to get an i7 until saw the overheating issue so probably going for AMD but should I wait for the NEXT-GEN or just going for the 7800X3D
Nice video, man! I was considering changing my 5800X for a new CPU next year, and the 3D Cache technology sounds great for gaming. However, I also enjoy making 3D animations and video editing, so this video was really useful. I guess I will upgrade to a new Ryzen 7, such as the 9800 or 10800, depending on what’s available at that time, or maybe early in 2026.
TDP != power draw. It's rated 120W but that doesn't mean it'll draw 120W, same for any other CPU. Even Intel and AMD has different definition of TDP if I'm not mistaken.
The X3d chips aren't for creative work most of the time. They are gaming first. But, I wouldn't recommend Intel with how broken their high-end CPUs are now, they are not worth the risk. Especially in professional setting where crashes are a big problem.
For all the people that are saying Intel is slower now they have no clue what is really happening with the 13th and 14th gen and why the stability issue is there in the first place. It very easy to solve yourselve or wait untill Intel releases next month the new microcode.
Maybe you should update your knowledge, have a look at the YT channel Level1Techs. He has customers which use 13900K and 14900K with workstation chipsets, hence no overclocking, but sticking to Intel specs. And his customers have huge problems with failing Intel CPUs which have never seen the huge power draw of usual 14900K SKUs with 4096W power limit. Yes, Intel will update the microcode to fix an issue with maximum power draw. But this is only a small part of the problem. It seems that Intel has a fabrication issue, look at the GN video.
Video editing is fine for 7800x3d like power director what i use to editing my gaming gameplay then upload it to TH-cam i game more than anything else i use andrinline amd for my recording
it was not a big mistake, it's alright, - overall performance for 7950x3d- 14900k is close where it's kinda 50/50 depending on the load. It'd come down to price personally.
@@mikymouse7525 isn't intel having issues with it's CPUs dieing and intel can't seem to fix it yet? Yeah the 7950x3d isn't a mistake at all, a mistake would be paying for a intel product, they are power hungry garbage and the company doesn't seem to care if the chipset lives or dies.
@@mikymouse7525 I guess you get your sources from userbenchmark, if that's true oh boy do I encourage you to watch any video that talks about userbenchmark and go ahead and look at the i9-14900k Vs Ryzen 9 7950x from gamus nexus the results may shock you.
7800X3D is clearly a monster for gaming but not polyvalent or very good for productivity ... it's a CPU for those who want only gaming on their PC (you can work with it but not like a pro).
Besides, you really want 9000 series if you are looking something for creators week after this review. But for 9000X3D you should expect to fare better compared 9000 series than this, there's expectation that clock speed disadvantage from 3DVcache practically has disappeared there.
Seems like Intel might lower the rated RAM frequency after the high failure rate shenanigans. Or they could reduce boosting. Won't find out till at least Zen 5 embargo is lifted. GN recommends not buying 13th/14th gen till then.
I had my intel 13600K for 2 years, I can't believe intel stability situation is just getting popular in these past few months. From day one I had stability issues if there is any gpu connected. Tried to change everything, Intel said my CPU was fine. Moved to AMD and everything is going well since the first boot up. Fortunately those difference in performance are not noticeable in real situations. My electricity bill went down for aprox $8 usd, not a big difference but I felt that Intel was really power hungry.
Cool story, but can't say I remember 13600K being mentioned in the "problem" section. Like. Ever. Ngl, those stories of how one "abandons" Intel and NVidia in favor of AMD for some hilarious reason are quite fun to read.
haha in fact I was an intel fanboy but I really struggled with that pc, it got to the point I couldn't restart the pc, I think is something related to temps but I was using a Noctua NH U12A. And if I restarted after using it for a couple of hours, it will stay stuck at the boot time or could start really laggy and with artifacts. So it got to the point I couldn't work with it.
Very that you mentioned that Intel is lowkey very efficiënt i have seen get to 14watt idle while my gaming x3d was pulling 58watts i thought it was background taks but nope. It ovrall perfect balance as long as you dont bench tests
@@theTechNotice by bringing another potential issue as the way they report wattage my differ (Intel to AMD). Just use the same PSU across and Motherboard for specific platform, with similar equipment.
Since you received this after long time of request from AMD, you can't say bad things.... safe side always is better. 3D cache is only ment for gaming.. and nothing else uses better.
Intel advertising 4400MHz RAM speed with 4 DIMMs is also false advertising, if you look at the actual official Intel spec sheet it will tell you that it's 3600. Anything else is overclocking and might be supported by motherboards or might not be.
7800x3d is processor that built for gaming, marketed by AMD for gamers, software productivity is second... if I have to choose between i7 14700k or 7800x3d, I will choose 7800x3d because I'm not a 3d artist who work for LUCas FIlm who need everything fast, fast and fast BUT CRASH.. OPPSSss... sory Intel...
I'm looking into the 7700X myself cuz I can really only afford that, and not the 7800X3D which does not look that much better than the 7700X aside from the large cache. for the new PC i'm putting together, it's be a huge upgrade over the old and failing 9 year old mid range Intel CPU/Mobo lol
Who ever thought the 7800x3D was fpr productivity needs to lay lff the drugs 😂. The Vcache is highly meant for gaming. However if i recall from research the 7950x3D works for both if i recall correctly .
Ok your a bit late to the game but word is that the 7800 X3D is a gaming cpu its the fastest and most stable. You want a creator cpu stick to thread ripper. "Done Mic drop." If you think that 14th gen intel is better then id advise you to add fire insurance to you home because of the cpu's bursting into flames and then turning your computer into a door stop. Go right ahead.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 To be fair, he is and has always stated that he's a content creation channel. Literally not the channel to refer to for gaming benches.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 a lot of videos in his channel comparing the threadrippers in his channel aswell. intel still beats them for lots of content creation related task and cost lesser
@@Hansen999 it's a workstation chip more akin to the threadripper than actual Epyc or Xeon chips, it even fits on AM5. It's far closer to a PRO line than an EPYC but they gotta market it I guess.
@@SpoonHurler I have seen the reviews, 4004 got small server and dedicated server written all over it. It definitely got workstation capabilities as well. 4004 lacks the IO capabilities to be compared with Threadripper in my opinion. A true workstation/HEDT has a lot of PCIe lanes to accommodate multiple accelerators and enough memory bandwidth to enable the software to use all that IO.
Intel claims that it's a voltage issue and should be solved with a new micro-code. If you're already experiencing issue, then the CPU is already degraded and the fix will do nothing to help you and you would need to contact Intel to hopefully get a replacement.
@@TheGameBench Nope, it's not only a power draw issue. Have a look at the video from Level1Techs (13900K and 14900K in workstation chipsets, no overclocking) and one of the current Gamers Nexus videos. Seems Intel has a production issue.
@@asafblasbergvideographer Please have a look at the GN video regarding that topic. It seems already with 13th gen 11 SKUs have problems, even T models with reduced power consumption. Many hardware youtubers currently recommend to not buy 13th or 14th gen Intel CPUs as the announced microcode fix will not solve the problem based on current knowledge.
@@johnscaramis2515 Wow, OK, thank you so much for letting me know! So what alternatives do you recommend that are similar to performance regarding I9-14900K?
ppl saying "but its a gaming processor" are the same asking for a 1080p gaming test .....I mean ....yeah ok so u spend 450+ bucks cpu to play at 1080p? ......okay
Why would anyone be crying about this? 7800x3D is a great chip, and unlike intel, if someone wants to get a 7950x3D or a 9000 series the 7800x3D is still new enough to where it can easily be traded in for credit/cash towards another cpu on the same socket, soooo win win lol.
0:30 The AMD Website clearly says that the 7800X3D is a "gaming processor", not mentioning creators. Then you said you tested are testing the 7800X3d and show the 7950x3d webpage for what "AMD says". You are misleading the audience.
I was going to say that.
In the video, he said AMD told him they were sending the 7950X3D, then for some reason sent him the 7800x3D without prior notice, probably left all that in there out of spite because he probably had a partial script written out that included all the specs you could find online.
it doesn't change the result and i just cares about numbers
@@nemesis762 So if it doesnt change the result, why care about the extra numbers.
7800x3D is "gaming" CPU only because of extra cache, otherwise it's closer to 7700x, for creators.
Marketing? When has AMD marketed the 7800X3D as anything but a gaming CPU?
Yes they are incapable :)
@@tilapiadave3234 I wouldn't call them incapable, just less than ideal. They are a compromise at best.
@@TheGameBench I am not ANTI AMD ,, I just get a brain aneurysm reading the rubbish AMD fan-twerps spread. Buy on price and use case NOT on brand name.
@@tilapiadave3234 Never said you were.
Most people don't realize that the TDP rating has nothing to do with the actual wattage that the CPU pulls. TDP is what the manufacturer expects to be the required dissipation capacity requirement for the model.
The reason the 7800x3d is rated for 120w TDP is because of the 3d V-cache layer that sits between the cores and the IHS, and also because the IHS on the 7XXX series is thicker to accommodate older coolers.
The chip draws up to ~90W or whatever it is, but AMD recommends a cooler that cools 120w TDP or more to "keep up" with the extra "distance" that the die has to the cooler itself.
It works the same in reverse. If we de-lid, we get lower temps because there is less material for the heat to be dissipated through, we get a more efficient cooling system, and can thus get away with using a worse performing cooler. In other words, we have lowered the TDP.
And yet... even reputable outlets continue to quote TDP as power consumption. It's quite frustrating.
yap ins a typical scenario like browsing 35 to 50 w and gaming 60 to 70 w max
..and a dude with a 200k tech TH-cam channel🤦♂️
Yeah it's very annoying that TDP is labelled as "Power consumption" when it's literally as the name suggested "THERMAL Design Power"
Where did you get the idea that the 7800X3D was meant for productivity? Genuinely curious because you are being misleading about AMD marketing this chip as a productivity cpu… it’s the fastest gaming cpu rn
he start to be next UserBenchmark
Why do I have a feeling this video is 1 year late 🤔
we could use this data to compare with next 9000 gen
That's a correct feeling! Better late than never ;)
It's as simple as this: you game more: x3d.
You render or create more: more Cores.
Both are equally important and you need highest performance: 7950X3D.
Intel can not be recommended ATM due to known stability issues.
Will be interesting to see the new 9900X3D and 9950X3D as the frequency drop might be lower than current gen.
MOST unstable are the AMD fan-twerps
Intel said they are releasing a fix in august for the instability
@@bygalaxy115 Two things
a) it's unclear if this fix covers the actual problem or only parts of the problem
b) if your CPU has already started degrading, the fix in best case can stop further degradation. It cannot repair physical damage.
@@johnscaramis2515 thats why its better to wait before buying
7800X3D it's a gaming CPU, if you're a content creator who play games, then 7950X3D its what you're supposed to get which gives you 8 cores with 3D cache and 8 cores with higher frequency
Nope ,, you get superior Intel
@@tilapiadave3234 Intel are superior in crashes and instability and higher power consumption just like throtling
@@tilapiadave3234Unless you're talking about 12th gen, no.
@@tilapiadave3234No unless it's 12th Gen.
@@Mr11ESSE111
And 7800x3d is superior in exploding, lmao.
Finally, a 7800X3D review that isnt just gaming
uhhh...
Sorry bro but its not meant for anything but gaming
Nobody has said that it's anything but a gaming CPU. That's it's intended purpose.
@@waferbarryou can do both i editing for my gaming videos on power director is fine
3d v cash is definitely for gaming
Thats not the point of that cpu and it was never marketed for creating.
You left out audio apps. The cache is a gamechanger in audio processing.
Gaming first content creation second, it’s as easy as that. This video makes no sense :/
everyone knows the x3d are slower than the non x3d chips in any synthetic workload but gaming
This processor has a 96 MB L3 cache thanks to the 3D V-Cache1.
Benefits in non-gaming tasks:
3D Simulations and Rendering: The 3D V-Cache accelerates the calculations needed for fabric simulations, 3D modeling and rendering.
Video editing and graphic design: Applications that require quick access to large data sets benefit from the larger cache. (Davinci)
Code compilation: The 3D V-Cache reduces latency and improves performance when compiling programs.
Data analysis and scientific calculations: In tasks involving large data sets, such as simulation analysis or mathematical calculations, the extended cache is advantageous.
6:22 TDP is not the power usage, but rather the cooling requirements. A higher TDP, for a processor that doesnt actually use that much power often indicates a smaller compute die that needs to be cooled to a lower temperature than other chips.
TDP(W)=tCase°C - tAmbient°C)/(HSF θca) for normal CPUs, and i cant find it but i thought i saw that they had a modified formula speciffically for X3D due to the stacked chip and material between the silicon layers. They may also have a different formula for mobile.
Also of note, i wouldnt reccomend it due to reduced cache and PCIe lanes, but AMD APUs are killer for efficiency in all fronts. Extremely low idle power draw, better performance scaling than the desktop parts Now i can tune a 13400 to be more efficient at idle than an 8700g, but out of the box the 8700G is more efficient at idle. Just too bad you give up 8 PCIe lanes, and only get 1/2 the cache. This lack of cache actually hurts efficiency. Sure it helps reduce power at the socket, but system wide this means it needs to hit RAM FAR more often meaning that as an entire system, its only a little better than, say, a 7800X
FINALLY. A video like THIS looking at the 7800x3d from a productivity angle. Usually people worship this CPU.
Buddy thanks a lot for all your videos, research, test's etc, really thank you. I have one question, is there a processor that will allow me to edit 4k footage from a sony fs7 or similar with some graphics, transitions, color correction without having to render all the time or make proxies? I know I need fast storage, lots of ram etc... Right know I have a i7 9700k
I have the 7800X3D and have been using it for a year. I have been doing video editing mainly for a while. It isn't a CPU for content creation. I've had issues with crashes, lagging etc. It's for gaming.
Was there a warning sticker stating for GAMING ONLY ???
Do you have the latest AMD chipset drivers installed? I’ve found it really improves the the overall speed of everything, not just gaming, on my 7800x3d build at home and a 7900x3d build we have at work (because the processor was on a good sale for like just over 300 USD, and it replaced an X299 based i9 7940x build)
@@empedance1933 Of course, I keep everything updated. It's just that I'm pretty picky and video editing is better on more cores. I know I could get a much smoother experience with something like a 7950X3D
What do you recommend for Video and Audio multitrack recording- Reaper DAW
thumbs up for idle measurements, if you work remotely and play rarely, and live in Europe, it makes a bit of difference.
Marketing does not lie - marketing is too generic term - youtubers lie, or they are incompetent/ignorant/focused on views so they will say whatever works.
At last we have a well rounded CPU not just for gaming, all of the benchmark has a 100% on it. This gonna be a very useful daily driver on a computer.
I really need to suggest you make video about AM4 vs AM5 with ryzen 5/7/9 comparison for video editing, theres no content like this no where on the internet. Thank you so much for bringing content for creators and not only gaming FPS nonsense. We definitely need more comparison for GPUS and CPUS between AMD itself and intel itself.
I was going to start an Intel build but after the CPU problems that have come to light as of late I am looking into the AMD 7950x and the 7950x3d. The 3d looks like it runs cooler with a little less performance. I might do the 3d over the x because I like to air cool. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
wait a couple more week, the 9000 series CPU will come out, which will either be better or make the 7950x cheaper
Content creators that game on a budget should be getting the 7900x 3d with very little tweaking I got my ram to run at 6400 and I get base 7900x benchmark numbers. And I paid 320 in June. I’m using an ncore max, so I was concerned about heat. The extra cores do their job,
Imagine being 562 days late to the party and still beg AMD for a free sample...
Thank you soo much for doing this review . Sick and tired of all the X3D fanboys on Reddit telling me go with X3D chip .
In most cases creators will only benefit from bigger L2 cache and not the L3. Unless if you are a gamer who streams a lot , then yes . The L3 cache will give a massive boost and allow you to stream games .
Even though AMD sent the wrong CPU, and that made your script confusing and misleading, it still helped. I was planning to upgrade my PC and stay with Intel and get at least the latest i7 as someone who plays games and edits videos as well. But we all know well unless you live under a rock about what's going on with Intel CPUs right now. If someone is planning to buy a CPU at the end of 2024, they should definitely buy AMD, and I am saying this as someone who only had an Intel CPU in his PC for 20 years.
For me, the question is if I want to buy 7800x3d or 7700x. But seeing the performance in gaming where 7800x3d is a clear winner and in productivity for the apps I am using (Photoshop and Davinci Resolve), it's pretty much the same, so it's worth the gaming performance in my opinion. I am still going to wait to get it for cheaper till it drops below 400 euros because right now for me it's 140 euros more than 7700x.
If you are not into gaming that much, just go with 7700x; it will be the best CPU you can get for ~300 euros. Unless I missed something and there is a better CPU in this price range for gaming and productivity. Like I said, don't go with Intel 13th/14th generation because of obvious reasons. Also, don't get me wrong, it's outperformed by 7800x3D, but 7700x is still an amazing CPU for gaming as well.
they could send him then fx 8350 and he could sayed that it is not good for content creation zen4 cpu
Please don't get the 14600K, get the 13600K for ~$60 - $110 cheaper. Same specs, and performance difference is minimal, mostly due to default Max Turbo clocks. My 13600K I got used for $210, and overclocked it to 5.5GHz., so it runs faster than the 14600K at stock.
There are a lot of creators out here who use their computers to write music using applications like Cubase, Ableton and others. It is hard to find anyone who tests these applications. It would be great if you could add them in to your process, please.
Will AMD IGPU video editing be enabled and smooth, especially when previewing multi track 4K videos? Which one has better performance in video preview, AMD IGPU or Intel UHD770?
Would've loved to see the 7900 non x here as well in terms of both PBO and non PBO. i think thats the perfect bridge between 7700x and the 7900x
wait, 7800x3d can only handle up to 5200 mhz RAM speeds?
officially yes, but not really
i was waiting for this man keep it up
All (or almost all) AMD 7000 series can run 2 RAM sticks at 6000MT/s even if the official specs say 5200MT/s.
You can go WAY higher if you set the command rate at 1:2 but its is only usefull when datarate is more important than latency.
With 4 sticks is more or less the same story but 6000MT/s on 4 sticks may be a 50/50.
Small correction: command rate has nothing to do with that (at least not directly), you basically switch from a RAM frequency synchronous to the IF (and other busses) to an asynchronous mode. And the synchronization of data transfer causes the additioal latencies.
i think over 5200 mt/s(so EXPO) with 4 Sticks is really dependent on CPU lottery, but there are actually 192 gb 6400mt/s expo kits from Gskill (tho extemly expensive)
I hope tho no one in his right mind will run 4 Sticks of Ram with a 7800x3d you can get 48 Gb/s in 2 Sticks with 6400mt/s and EXPO, that should fullfill the needs for 99,99% of the Gamers/7800x3d users.
PS: For The new Threadripper Platform you actually can get 384 GBs of OctaChannel Ram with 6400 mt/s and EXPO
@@johnscaramis2515 command rate to 2T can run IF in sync with RAM up to 6400MT/s.
I erroneously referred to it as 1:2 but I meant 2T
love ur videos. How old does a camera have to be before the picture quality begin to deteriorate? thanks
I wouldn't pick up a 3D for production. As far as I know, they use half the chip unless it has been worked out / fixed .
Reports are that 6000 is the memory sweet spot for Ryzen latest CPUs. Even though the web site says 5200.
There is false info in this video.
Certain AMD AM5 mainboards support up to 6400 MHz DDR5 when populating 4 DIMMs, not only 3600 MHz as claimed in this video.
You're wrong and at the same time you are right.
The specs clearly state 5200 MT/s RAM with 1DPC and 3600 MT/s with 2 DPC. That are the specs that AMD guarantees.
What you are thinking of is the actual RAM speeds that might be achieved.
However 6400 is already on the top of what can be achieved with RAM synchronous to IF, usually it's more like 6000-6200 (however 8000+ can be achieved in asynchronous modes). And 6400 with 4 DIMMs is a golden sample.
@@johnscaramis2515 My claim is based on the memory QVL lists of Asus and MSI. Look it up and find which board and which memory sticks can run at 6400 MHz in 4 population.
What were the BIOS settings during your tasting ? My 7900x is getting over 100 better scores on most of those benchmarks no OC whatsoever just tuned to stay at or bellow 85c.
Another note: 7800x3d is FASTER on latency sensitive workloads, for example, audio production.
Actually, 3d rendering, video encoding, etc... are NOT latency sensitive.
I like that you compared R7 and R9 with I5. Big congratulations!
Is it safe to buy an Intel 13th and 14th gen today, despite all the recently revealed stability issues?
Yes
What is the GPU on this test? Thanks.
Rtx 3090
I went with the x670e Proart with a r9 7900x , with a dual gpu setup 4060low pro and a rx7900xtx. No Regerts getting the r9 7900x.
Can you show 1 core power consumption.....i know for 7800x3d it is 14W and for 14600k is 22W. In productivity test 7800x3d takes more time to complete but it is very efficient and takes less electricity
Specific use dependent. For the price difference, I would go vcache even of limited benefit. Waiting for 9950xed to replace my 5590x
I was not at all impressed with the AM5 based EPYC 4004. Its just Ryzen with an EPYC name. I was hoping we'd get 16X3D cores as an option, and 32 Zen4C cores as an option. Heck maybe even an 8X3D+16Zen4C cores
You can do both but for casual productivity
Having owned both 7700x and 7800x3d since their respective launches, the x3d is a MUCH better design **IF** you manually tune RAM/Fclk/Eclock/per core CO/cool it properly.
Once tweaked the X3D feels faster/snappier than a fully tuned 7700x and only synthetics will show the regression in apps with poor cache locality.
7700x was gimped by the 55.5 multiplier and should've gotten the 57 default 1t max.
Good analysis, but in this whole explanation you left out a very important part. Gamers streamer! Personally, I don't think I lost anything by switching to 7800 3dv! On the contrary, I won and a lot, Igrovo is soupy, and a difference of 5-8 percent for a clip saver, in half an hour it takes me about 15 minutes... I can't even drink my coffee in peace ;)
So this chip has its place among creators too!
But it really matters what one does and what one digs to do it, because this chip is definitely not suitable for processing large files, but it should have power. Here the reason is programs that are limited in caching ;) However, how many chips offer 100BM and above cache ;)
The vast majority of synthetic benchmarks take into account the number of cores, frequency and other factors. They don't make sense for comparing different cpu's but they are very useful for comparing changes that we can make to our cpu's settings. That's all they're good for. A 14900K in the R23 does 40,000+, the 7800X3D does 18,000; more than 100% ! What does this specifically tell us? Nothing.
Looking forward to testing new AMD processors
Hi there, please have a power meter to test power draw measured at 12V rails. Thats more accurate.
And TDP is not a electrical power specification. Its about thermal power.
PLEASE, PLEASE! Check on the new 9000 Series I hope that’s the perfect option for creators I’m about to invest 3K on a new PC I was decided to get an i7 until saw the overheating issue so probably going for AMD but should I wait for the NEXT-GEN or just going for the 7800X3D
Nice video, man! I was considering changing my 5800X for a new CPU next year, and the 3D Cache technology sounds great for gaming. However, I also enjoy making 3D animations and video editing, so this video was really useful. I guess I will upgrade to a new Ryzen 7, such as the 9800 or 10800, depending on what’s available at that time, or maybe early in 2026.
can we get a closer shot of that mclaren f1 car in the background ?
Extremly happy with my 7800x3d and a used 3080ti
This comment section is a nuclear waste zone. Holy cow.
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TDP != power draw. It's rated 120W but that doesn't mean it'll draw 120W, same for any other CPU.
Even Intel and AMD has different definition of TDP if I'm not mistaken.
The X3d chips aren't for creative work most of the time. They are gaming first. But, I wouldn't recommend Intel with how broken their high-end CPUs are now, they are not worth the risk. Especially in professional setting where crashes are a big problem.
For all the people that are saying Intel is slower now they have no clue what is really happening with the 13th and 14th gen and why the stability issue is there in the first place. It very easy to solve yourselve or wait untill Intel releases next month the new microcode.
Maybe you should update your knowledge, have a look at the YT channel Level1Techs. He has customers which use 13900K and 14900K with workstation chipsets, hence no overclocking, but sticking to Intel specs. And his customers have huge problems with failing Intel CPUs which have never seen the huge power draw of usual 14900K SKUs with 4096W power limit.
Yes, Intel will update the microcode to fix an issue with maximum power draw. But this is only a small part of the problem. It seems that Intel has a fabrication issue, look at the GN video.
Will check out the new 9000 series when it comes out? Love the vid btw
Yes!
Video editing is fine for 7800x3d like power director what i use to editing my gaming gameplay then upload it to TH-cam i game more than anything else i use andrinline amd for my recording
I just bought the 7950x3D yesterday... please tell me it was not a big mistake 🙏🏻 ! (Gaming principally, alongside 3D working)
it was not a big mistake, it's alright, - overall performance for 7950x3d- 14900k is close where it's kinda 50/50 depending on the load.
It'd come down to price personally.
It was a mistake. I9 14900K has integrated graphics and Intel has the best codecs.
@@mikymouse7525 isn't intel having issues with it's CPUs dieing and intel can't seem to fix it yet? Yeah the 7950x3d isn't a mistake at all, a mistake would be paying for a intel product, they are power hungry garbage and the company doesn't seem to care if the chipset lives or dies.
@@AssassinIsAfk Only AMD fanboys have problems with Intel. I'm on Intel and I have no problem.
@@mikymouse7525 I guess you get your sources from userbenchmark, if that's true oh boy do I encourage you to watch any video that talks about userbenchmark and go ahead and look at the i9-14900k Vs Ryzen 9 7950x from gamus nexus the results may shock you.
You should've used 14700k in place of 14600k since it comes in the same price range as the 7800x and 7900x.
Looking forward to your next master piece, loved it! keep it up 👍
intel is in a cringe situation right now, not recommended to go for intel at the moment, drama is crushing them
7800X3D is clearly a monster for gaming but not polyvalent or very good for productivity ... it's a CPU for those who want only gaming on their PC (you can work with it but not like a pro).
the best was the 7900x3d which appeared for $330 2 months ago.
7800X3D is primarily for games, I have ended the relationship with Intel processors until further.
Besides, you really want 9000 series if you are looking something for creators week after this review. But for 9000X3D you should expect to fare better compared 9000 series than this, there's expectation that clock speed disadvantage from 3DVcache practically has disappeared there.
no lol
I use 7800x3d for powerdirector video editing which i use mostly onther than that not so much definitely for gaming more its amazing for gaming
Seems like Intel might lower the rated RAM frequency after the high failure rate shenanigans. Or they could reduce boosting. Won't find out till at least Zen 5 embargo is lifted. GN recommends not buying 13th/14th gen till then.
I had my intel 13600K for 2 years, I can't believe intel stability situation is just getting popular in these past few months. From day one I had stability issues if there is any gpu connected. Tried to change everything, Intel said my CPU was fine. Moved to AMD and everything is going well since the first boot up. Fortunately those difference in performance are not noticeable in real situations. My electricity bill went down for aprox $8 usd, not a big difference but I felt that Intel was really power hungry.
what amd cpu are you using right now..?
Cool story, but can't say I remember 13600K being mentioned in the "problem" section. Like. Ever. Ngl, those stories of how one "abandons" Intel and NVidia in favor of AMD for some hilarious reason are quite fun to read.
@@oktofio9690 the 7800X3D and it works stable and perfect.
haha in fact I was an intel fanboy but I really struggled with that pc, it got to the point I couldn't restart the pc, I think is something related to temps but I was using a Noctua NH U12A. And if I restarted after using it for a couple of hours, it will stay stuck at the boot time or could start really laggy and with artifacts. So it got to the point I couldn't work with it.
@@oktofio9690 The ryzen 7800X3D
Waiting for 79003d it might be the best for overall gaming and editing
Please mention about the issue of 13 and 14 gen of intel now
Very that you mentioned that Intel is lowkey very efficiënt i have seen get to 14watt idle while my gaming x3d was pulling 58watts i thought it was background taks but nope. It ovrall perfect balance as long as you dont bench tests
Thank you Lauri.
wait a second. are you testing these with intels new specifications or the old one ? if not then this performance will cause it to degrade.
whats better, thjis or 9950x?
Why you are checking watts in programme, rather than with proper total platform powerdraw from 'the wall'?
To exclude motherboard and PSU inefficiencies!
@@theTechNotice by bringing another potential issue as the way they report wattage my differ (Intel to AMD). Just use the same PSU across and Motherboard for specific platform, with similar equipment.
Since you received this after long time of request from AMD, you can't say bad things.... safe side always is better.
3D cache is only ment for gaming.. and nothing else uses better.
Intel advertising 4400MHz RAM speed with 4 DIMMs is also false advertising, if you look at the actual official Intel spec sheet it will tell you that it's 3600. Anything else is overclocking and might be supported by motherboards or might not be.
Finally people can see it's made for gaming lol
I saw no where on AMD site stating an AMD 7800x3d is a chip for creators. It says gaming and personal use!? This must be a sponsor intel video.
yes me too,this channel start to be other Frame Chasers channel with bullshit tales
I saw nowhere a BIG red sticker WARNING 7800X3D is NOT for creators
@@tilapiadave3234 then you can say same thing on that way for some pentium cpu or i3 12100 too !! your logic are horseshit
@@tilapiadave3234 he said in the video that and said in its site that this chip was for creator! I answered to that. Try again.
@@tbreeze79 "He said" ,,,, I had no idea he owned AMD ,, ,,, try again little boy
9000 series X3D for me ... or the 9900X as that looks also nice
it will be crap as normal 9000
7800x3d is processor that built for gaming, marketed by AMD for gamers, software productivity is second... if I have to choose between i7 14700k or 7800x3d, I will choose 7800x3d because I'm not a 3d artist who work for LUCas FIlm who need everything fast, fast and fast BUT CRASH.. OPPSSss... sory Intel...
I'm looking into the 7700X myself cuz I can really only afford that, and not the 7800X3D which does not look that much better than the 7700X aside from the large cache. for the new PC i'm putting together, it's be a huge upgrade over the old and failing 9 year old mid range Intel CPU/Mobo lol
Just ordered a brand new 7800x3d yesterday for $300.
Who ever thought the 7800x3D was fpr productivity needs to lay lff the drugs 😂. The Vcache is highly meant for gaming. However if i recall from research the 7950x3D works for both if i recall correctly .
Ok your a bit late to the game but word is that the 7800 X3D is a gaming cpu its the fastest and most stable. You want a creator cpu stick to thread ripper. "Done Mic drop." If you think that 14th gen intel is better then id advise you to add fire insurance to you home because of the cpu's bursting into flames and then turning your computer into a door stop. Go right ahead.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 To be fair, he is and has always stated that he's a content creation channel. Literally not the channel to refer to for gaming benches.
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 “he did not test the gaming cpu in any game” almost like he doesn’t do gaming content and mostly does creator content 🙄
@@madcuzmadhehe7665 a lot of videos in his channel comparing the threadrippers in his channel aswell. intel still beats them for lots of content creation related task and cost lesser
I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D for $339 a month ago. I like it.
I like pie.
4464P review when? Or any of the Epyc 4004 chips?
Would be the first server product he reviews if that happens
@@Hansen999 it's a workstation chip more akin to the threadripper than actual Epyc or Xeon chips, it even fits on AM5. It's far closer to a PRO line than an EPYC but they gotta market it I guess.
@@SpoonHurler I have seen the reviews, 4004 got small server and dedicated server written all over it. It definitely got workstation capabilities as well. 4004 lacks the IO capabilities to be compared with Threadripper in my opinion. A true workstation/HEDT has a lot of PCIe lanes to accommodate multiple accelerators and enough memory bandwidth to enable the software to use all that IO.
@@Hansen999 yeah that's why I end up at these are just PRO version of the first AM5 chips
idk about that "marketing lie for gamers"? when IT IS the processor for gamers not creators, should've worded it out better.
What is going on with the I9-13900 and I9-14900K experiencing issues?
Intel claims that it's a voltage issue and should be solved with a new micro-code. If you're already experiencing issue, then the CPU is already degraded and the fix will do nothing to help you and you would need to contact Intel to hopefully get a replacement.
@@TheGameBench Thanks! I didn't purchase the CPU yet, so I'll wait. Good thing they're working on a fix. Thank you
@@TheGameBench Nope, it's not only a power draw issue. Have a look at the video from Level1Techs (13900K and 14900K in workstation chipsets, no overclocking) and one of the current Gamers Nexus videos. Seems Intel has a production issue.
@@asafblasbergvideographer Please have a look at the GN video regarding that topic. It seems already with 13th gen 11 SKUs have problems, even T models with reduced power consumption. Many hardware youtubers currently recommend to not buy 13th or 14th gen Intel CPUs as the announced microcode fix will not solve the problem based on current knowledge.
@@johnscaramis2515 Wow, OK, thank you so much for letting me know! So what alternatives do you recommend that are similar to performance regarding I9-14900K?
Need a review on Ryzen 9900x
So.... How much?
This is the content I’m looking for!!!
ppl saying "but its a gaming processor" are the same asking for a 1080p gaming test .....I mean ....yeah ok so u spend 450+ bucks cpu to play at 1080p? ......okay
Please do 7800x3d vs 9900x
Nevermind I forgot you dont game 😢
x3d cpus were meant for gaming, nothing else.
7800x3D fan girls gonna cry after seeing this.. please delete this bro 😂😂
Why would anyone be crying about this? 7800x3D is a great chip, and unlike intel, if someone wants to get a 7950x3D or a 9000 series the 7800x3D is still new enough to where it can easily be traded in for credit/cash towards another cpu on the same socket, soooo win win lol.
he show 16core 7950x3d website and here he push 7800x3d into that