What was the Scouring of the Shire? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- After Frodo and his companions returned from their quest they found that their home of the Shire had changed and become industrialized and it was now being by ruled by 'the Chief', who was none other than Saruman. And so one of the most peaceful and beloved lands of Middle-Earth was transformed into an industrial wasteland and the Hobbits were oppressed and subjugated by Saruman's ruffians. In today's episode we'll be exploring this event, the true ending of the Return of the King.
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What I love about the Scouring of the Shire is that it shows how far the Hobbits have grown after their adventures, they didn't need Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli or outside help as they had throughout the journey. Instead they rallied their folk and saved their home themselves. It also showed how no matter how some wounds can't be healed and how hatred, Pride and spite can bring a formerly great being like Saruman to a petty and pathetic end.
Yeah, it's a very cool way to tie up the growth and development of the Hobbits and compare the way they've changed since they left the Shire in the first place.
@@GeekZoneMT It also shows how War can follow you to even your front door. The last stroke of the last battle of the War of the Ring was struck on the door step of Bag End.
I think that what it shows is that Melkor's influence always returns like a fading echo as magic slowly leaves middle earth. You just get weaker and weaker dark lords but, the will to dominate never fades. Melkor -> Sauron -> Saruman -> ???
George Martin criticizes Tolkien for an unrealistic happy ending but, Tolkien shows that evil is still around after the defeat of Sauron and that even the magical bloodline of Numenor is doomed to fade eventually.
The lead up to Dagor Dagorath is likely to be as bad as any period of Middle Earth if not worse.
@@similaritiesendhere
Martin was a being foolish. Has he read the books?
Happy endings?
Galadriel (elves in general) leaving Middle Earth forever / fading away.
Dwarves - diminishing.
Countless deaths of countless peoples
Kingdoms and kings lay dead and / or in ruins.
No final redemption for Gollum
Frodo / Bilbo with scars far to deep to ever be healed in this world.
Arwen, after marrying and then widowed by Aragorn, dies alone and forgotten in a cold a empty place that was once her people's lands after longs years of loneliness and permanent separation from her family (father) and he people.
Saruman dies a pathetic death after once being one of the most revered / esteemed beings in Middle Earth and elsewhere.
Many Hobbits killed by ruffians etc...
The Ents go to war one last time with many dying. They (the ents) seemingly never find the Entwives and are thus doomed to fade away / die out forever.
The list goes on and on...
Unrealistic happy endings indeed.
Tolkien knew better than most that all does not usually end well.
@@Druunah69 Tolkien survived the First World War as a Communications Officer. He knew the pain stress unending leaves in it's wake.
The scouring of the shire is actually a direct representation of Tolkien's childhood home (Sahole on the outskirts of Birmingham).
As a child he used to play near the mill. However when he returned later in his life the mill was desolated.
On the banks of the lake near the mill was his favourite tree, that he used to climb. However one day he saw some men cut it down and leave it there. Oh and it was a willow (old man willow perhaps???).
That's fascinating, I hadn't heard about it before. Thanks for sharing it with us! :)
@@GeekZoneMT I would like to add that (as a local to the area!) its the village of Sarehole, now part of Birmingham. :)
The local area is also said to have inspired the two towers, as there are two very tall chimneys in the local area. Given that this took place in the early 1900s when he was a very young child, I would say it subconsiously stuck in Tolkien's memory instead of directly inspiring his later works. You see echoes of the Shire in the landscape, but not a direct reflection.
08:07 Just imagining that Frodo was thinking “sir, I’ve been stabbed by a ghost king, your meager threats are but hollow pleasantries”
don’t forget getting stung by a giant spider and having my finger bit off
And don't forget the Orc captain in Moria (or troll in the movie)
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Thanks buddy, I appreciate the kind words! :)
It is I wish you made videos more frequently 😔
@@JacobSmith-rh2sr It takes quite a lot of work to keep up with a video a week to be honest :( For example this video probably took me around 50 hours or so to complete, so the only way for me to publish more frequently would probably require a co host :)
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The thought of Saruman at Bag End makes my skin crawl.
I understand why the Scouring of the Shire was left out of the films, but it works well in a more serialized format such as the Mind's Eye audio drama. Likewise, the on-screen death of Saruman works well enough for the films, though it really deserved to be in the theatrical editions.
Damn right it should've been in the theatrical editions.
Agreed!
When Saruman decided what was REALLY missing from his life was: bacon & eggs, a fireplace, garden by twilight & cakes. :P
I think we can empathise with that ;)
@@GeekZoneMT Gollum:"Eggses? Grandmother told us to suck them, Precious!" :P
he made sure he wasnt missing pipeweed tho XD
@@Ravenesque I was referencing the Rankin Bass animated Hobbit movie. :P
@@alexlemonds2838 hahahaha
Hey guys be sure to check out Nerd of the Ring's video on this topic and subscribe to his channel! th-cam.com/channels/W0gH2G-cMKAEjEkI4YhnPA.html
I'm sorry if the audio in this video sounds a bit off at times, though I was recording with a really bad sore throat and it was quite a hurdle! As always subtitles are available and feedback is welcome. I'd also love to hear your thoughts on this topic! Do you think that the Scouring of the Shire should have been included in the movies? And do you prefer the portrayal of Saruman's death in the books or in the movies?
Thanks! :) Hopefully it'll pass by next week!
I would have preferred the book version myself since it was important to both the Hobbit's development as characters showing how far they have come from where they started and how far Saruman has fallen from where he began. Especially if we could have had Sir Christopher Lee act it out.
GZ feeling under the weather at the time of this production, you did an excellent job! If you feel at times your recording wasn't up to your standards, only added layers of texture the lore. This tale is a labor of love.
It definitely should have been included in the movies.
Your link in this post comes back to this video, not Nerd of the Ring's video.
For me the Scouring has always felt a little bit anachronistic and contemporary compared to the rest of the book. Lotho being called "the Chief" not unlike "Der Fuhrer" or "Il Duce", "Gatherers and Sharers" - a jab at Soviet Collectivization, and Sandyman Mill as critique of industrialization in general. Fortunately the timeless message that rises over them is to not repay evil with evil, which makes it worthwhile.
I feel it was one of the most 'personal' parts of the book. That Tolkien wanted to express his feelings and thoughts on the industrialization and loss of the British countryside.
Yeah, I was reading solzhenitsyn and saw some parallels with this story that were pretty surreal.
@@GeekZoneMT Yeah, I remember hearing essentially that the Scouring was another (walking trees, "no living man") wish fulfillment on Tolkien's part, the hobbits being able to save their homeland from industry and pollution the way he couldn't when he came back from his own foreign war.
Aren't Tolkien's stories supposed to be an alternate history of Earth? It only makes sense that the threat of evil becomes less magical and more mundane/modern as time progresses.
I find the details of the Scouring of the Shire here quite interesting. I think it was a wise decision that they left it out of the film, because it wouldn't have really fit with how it presented the War of the Ring's end and the hobbits' return to the Shire after the war. I find Saruman's film death satisfying and well-placed into the film's version of events, but I also really love Saruman's death in the Scouring where we see how far he's fallen and where he's given a chance to find his way back to the light when Frodo shows him mercy. I also rather like how the Scouring makes the Shire out to be like a Depression-free version of isolationist America during WWII (both seek to avoid trouble by detaching itself from the outside world, but that only leads to the outside world's war choosing to come to them), rather than a peaceful western haven - basically, I feel the Scouring of the Shire is a message about how you can't hope to escape greater-scope problems like the War of the Ring by burying your head in the sand.
Yeah I think it was a smart decision to leave it out of the film. I've actually wondered quite often whether Saruman had any chance of redemption had he not died at Wormtongue's hands.
How did Saruman lose so much power as a Maia that he was able to be killed this way? Balrogs and even dragons required a lot to kill them. His power wasn’t tied to the ring?
@@cgustin1899 I think there are a couple reasons.
(1) Balrogs were aligned with Morgoth, and by extension the Dark Power that remained permanently dispersed in Arda. Saruman was aligned with no-one but himself, a meagre Maia traitor, when he died.
(2) Balrogs were probably forced into their forms by Morgoth and couldn't change them from then on, and the Balrogs' forms were meant to wield and rely on a lot of raw power as with most things Morgoth utilised. Unlike with the wizards, who were meant to do the opposite, minimising use of their magical power. The Valar probably placed lasting limitations on the five wizards' innate power when they were sent to Middle-Earth, and not all of them came undone when Saruman turned from their mission.
While unfortunate neither the Scouring of the Shire wasn't included, it's also a shame the Barrows arc wasn't included either. The later showed the hobbits' inexperience towards the evils of the world, while the former showed how much they had grown and became knowledgeable of how to deal with awful situations. Both of these events really helped illustrate their journey from being weak and unreliable, to wise and dependable.
Yeah I'd have loved to see the Barrow Downs, it's one of my favourite parts of the book! Though I imagine it would be hard to cover without including the Old Forest and Tom Bombadil, so it's understandable why they decided to leave it out.
I think the hobbits' early encounters with the Nazgul in the first film helped illustrate their inexperience to make up for the Barrow-wights' omission - particularly the Prancing Pony and Weathertop scenes.
Today is June 19th 2020 and Sir Ian Holm who played bilbo passed away this morning 😢 r.I.p. he was with family and died peacefully in the hospital
It's a shame this wasn't in the films, it's one of my favourite parts of the books
Yeah though people had grumbled that the Return of the King had too many endings and was too long, and it could see it being a bit anti climactic :)
I agree!
They originally had it planned and even had some of it filmed but ran out of time
GeekZone I’d have to agree with that. But! It would have been an idea to make an extended cut for DVD, for a price of course, for real Tolkien geeks. I’d put down an extra 20$ for that. I’m surprised nobody’s thought of that.🤷♀️
So great to work with you on this one! I've always loved watching your videos and getting to collaborate with you has been a pleasure! Great job as always!
Thanks buddy! :D It was awesome working with you!
i would have loved a short film showing this after the ROTK movie.
Peter Jackson make it happen! ;)
They would have to edit it a bit if they wanted it to fit into films though
Could have been a 4th movie. Though without most of the LOTR cast. Except maybe at the very beginning and end.
That's what I thought; instead of killing off Saruman at Isengard, have him live and escape, but with his fate unknown, then do an off-shoot film of the Scouring of the Shire. It would definitely have been too much to include in the LOTR films, and yes, a bit anticlimactic, as I like how the main movie ends.
This is quite applicable to current events. .
That thought actually hit me while I was working earlier :(
IKR? CHAZ, anyone?
@@mangot589 CHAZ= Sarumans Ruffians
@@mangot589 he will be epstein'd very soon
You mean people taking down statues and rioting etc
Even if The Scouring of the Shire was a nice allusion to that war affects even ones hometown/country and that it symbolized the "destruction" of Birmingham where Tolkien grew up in, turning from a lush country side to an industrial hell-hole, it wouldn't have worked in the movies as it would be anti-climatic as the main story of the whole trilogy was The Destruction of the Ring and Sauron being the main villian. Many veiwers felt that the end of The Return of the King was too long with "multiple endings" (though it was necessary to wrap up the trilogy as a whole, not just the last film and was great the way it was) so including The Scouring of the Shire would have made the film EVEN LONGER, about 15 to 20 minutes extra which would have put off many more and even worse, so it was a good decision to not include it. The concept wasn't entirely leftout as in The Fellowship of the Ring, The Scouring was seen in The Mirror of Galadriel as it was something that would happen if Sauron would get the Ring back to avenge the Hobbits (which is sort of in the book, as something Gandalf told Frodo that would be something Sauron would do when he found out about the Hobbits, when they where previoudly were unknown to him and if he knew back then he would not pay much attention to as he wouldn't see them as useful slaves as the orcs).
The death of Saurman at Isengard was handled very well as they didn't stray away too far from the books, only appeared earlier. Unlike the book, Wormtounge instead of slitting the throat, he stabs Saruman in the back, this was changed for rating reasons as slitting throats would not be suitable for PG-13 rating (hence why in Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl the act of Barbosa's men slitting the Dauntless guards was not shown, but occured off-screen). Also the way Saruman falls from the top of Orthanc and lands of a spike of a destroyed wheel, is both symbolic and a reference. The sympolism is that the wheel of Saruman's industraliation of Isengard, used to create his army of Uruk-Hai, which was that the thing that he created killed him off and as a way of showing of Tolkien's way how in the industry or overdependment of it will be your downfall. The reference is to Christopher Lee played Dracula in the Hammer Horror Films as he was stabbed through his heart with a stake by Van Helsing (played by his friend the late Peter Cushing, also known for playing Moff Tarkin in Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope).
On a side note: Saruman's nickname Sharkey is divered from the Black Speech word Sharku meaning Old Man, which was something that his orcs called him in Isengard and also is the name of the Warg Rider Leader in The Two Towers movie (played Jed Brophy also did Snaga, several other orcs, several Gondor and Rohirrim riders including the soilder finding Théodred in the extended edition of The Two Towers, Nori in The Hobbit Trilogy and appeared in other Peter Jackson movies including Braindead/Dead Alive and King Kong).
Very well put my friend!
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Thank you. I never see the things like that but I agree with your analyse. It's really make sens to me !
Thank you for this video. I have to imagine that not too many people are aware of this part of the story. It's too bad that the movie makers had to leave out so many parts of TLOTR. I understand why they had to and I am still very thankful that they took the business chances that they did to make those awesome movies. I am also very thankful that you took the time and effort to make these awesome videos GeekZone.
The one major complaint I have about the movie version vs. the books(I have several smaller ones) is excluding the scouring of the shire completely. It would have shown more completely the complexities of Tolkiens story which the movies to me didnt do a good enough job of. I think it would have made the ending of the movies even more fulfilling and a little less sad and melancholy.
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This could've been in the movie or at least a part of the extended version. Or at the least, why worry about Frodo witnessing it in movie one if it doesn't happen in movie three. That made it as anticlimactic as some people say the three long endings were drawn out. I wanted to see the rest of the Shire grow due to the experience. The extended version would have been a good place for this.
Perhaps we might see it one day as part of a series! :)
Yes, definitely.
This should be it's own movie or mini series.
It's EXACTLY what's happening in our world today.
What a beautiful ending, by facing the absolute worst of the world, these childlike innocent hobbits learned the courage and skills to recover their homeland and save their way of life.
Saruman's death in the book was way better. The portrayal of his fall and eventual death at the hands of the man he abused so much in the face of Frodo's mercy was more impactful to me. The scouring of the Shire just showed that war affects everyone.
my friend- wise content with perfect timing. the words you chose in this retelling are slyly inspired too.
rousing.
I read this chapter and finished the book (again) yesterday! What an interesting chapter this is! I love how strategy and organization wins battles
Hobbit holes being DUG UP? I knew the scouring was a tragedy but that’s just crossing a line, how uniquely perverse of Saruman.
I thought, having read the books many years ago, that I remembered the stories. You have shown me otherwise. Thank you. Your videos are wonderful and remind me of what I had forgotten.🌹
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Nice video! :)
I'm sure if this was included in the movies, it would ruin a good ending, Frodo and the viewers suffered enough.
Saruman had to die, he earned it and those who watched the movies were demandin it....but the absolute COMICAL way he went out was way below his stature. Grima stabbing him and confessing his hate towards him, while Saruman slowly realises what he had done, would have made for a much better scene.
Yeah I agree. I wish they included it in the theatrical release though since most people didn't watch the extended edition and it felt like Saruman's plot line was never resolved. :(
Another brilliant video with so much detail. Thanks.
I think to properly portray these events would have required a separate movie, it couldn't have been jammed into Return of the King in a satisfying way. And the hobbits' return to a desolated Shire would have been out of place in the "happy ending" sequence if it was just left unresolved, so I think the way the movies handled it was a reasonable adjustment. Lacks the punch of the original, but brings Saruman's story to a fitting conclusion.
btw love your videos, i cannot always watch them when they come out, but is always nice to see them eventually, and always leave a like for a good research video of my favourite fantasy world (that and because i am terrible at reading and i prefer a video format)
I think it is not suitable for theater version, but it is very good for directors cut.
Agreed
Another great video! Best way to start my weekend!
The hobbits just leveled up way beyond the challenge rating of anything in the shire.
I love your content, I'm playing shadow of war for the first time and I always watch 1 of your videos before to pump me up to play.
For those who thought Lobilia Sackville-Bagins was awful, her son being a traitor is a thousand times worse
I think this and the Barrowdowns should have been in the films (at least the extended). I can understand why the Old Forest and Tom Bombadil where missed out even if personally I would not have :)
Yeah the Barrow downs would have been awesome, though I'm a bit biased since it's one of my favouite scenes from the book!
Great video!
A most excellent presentation! I got goosebumps several times. :) I was disappointed in the movie version of this. I thought the Scouring of the Shire was an important event that should have been in the movie! Just my Opinion. :) Thank You for all the work you do!
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Another awsome video geekzone
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I appreciate it my friend! As always I'm humbled to have such a wonderful community! :)
The Scourging of The Shire shows that even though Sauron was defeated, a part of his influence was still felt even in lands as far as The Shire itself. I know that Saruman was acting out on his own when the Scourging Of The Shire took place, but take note that through his use of the Palantir, Saruman became Sauron’s puppet, even though the wizard himself thought he was fully in control of his own actions. Yes, Sauron knew that Saruman would betray him in time, but to Sauron, the so called “Wizard Of Many Colors” was merely a tool, an instrument of his will whose usefulness would eventually come to an end.
Damn YT how I did I miss this?! This is awesome story that I never heard before they should have made this into a movie!
It's a shame they left this chapter out of the movies. I think it added an excellent final demonstration of how their experience had changed the hobbits of the fellowship.
I think it would work well if LOTR was a series to be honest, though I can see why it would be anti climactic for the movies
This was a badass denouement to the books IMHOO!
Nice work! Just curious - what game's footage is featured? - i'd like to play it!
I'm really looking forward to LotRO reaches the Scouring part of the story. I'm not sure how they'll handle it exactly, but returning to a changed Shire after all this adventuring is going to be interesting.
Yeah I agree it would be cool to explore! I imagine it's more likely to be released as a small extra zone or instance though rather than as an expansion :)
@@GeekZoneMT perhaps. It depends how much extra story they can build around what's in the books. The story as written is pretty short, but we see a lot more of the Shire in the game, so may get to rally more of the 'troops', meeting up with the four travellers for the final confrontation.
Nice video! Can someone tell me what the music starting at 14:30 is?
I was waiting for this video😃
I feel like this could’ve been it’s own movie
The powerful Saruman really got his ass beat by some hobbits
Thank you very very much !
It's the end I prefer ! I don't like the Saruman's fall in the film and I love the fact that the Hobbit were able to fight for themselves ! Freedom...
Really like the scouring of the shire, so nice to see how the hobbits grew.
The Scouring of The Shire and aftermath - that would have been movie #4
I was literally about to comment on your 2nd newest video saying that I wanted a video on the scouring of the shire........... Well, ask and you shall receive!!
Clearly it was meant to be 😂
GeekZone Truly
This would make a great movie!
I would like to see a completetly separate movie just about the scouring. It could feature all the parts beginning from Lothos dealing with Saruman to the eventual climactical battle. Maybe some Took could be the main character. Shame that our hobbit actor might be too old already.
I dunno, seems like a good thing they left this out of the movies. Saruman seems a whole lot less badass if he can be beaten by a bunch of hobbits, feels like it undermines the epicness that came before.
.Does anyone know what the animated scenes of this video are from?
The films did a fine job with their adaptation. I won't say one is objectively better than the other (I personally find Tolkien to be really arduous to read most of the time), but the film did enough with the "industrialization BAD" elements with Treebeard's commentary in Isengard. It also let the story end with the destruction of the Ring and everything gets tied up, rather than there being another 45-60 minutes of random conflict that would need to be set up and resolved. I mean, it would be like an action movie where the Big Baddie Gangster is dealt with with massive explosions and gunfire, and then there's a 30 minute post-credit scene where The Hero beats up a random guy trying to steal $50 from a 7 Eleven.
In general, I feel the films did a better job at being films than the books did at being books.
Yeah it would have certainly been anti climactic. I imagine these 'extra' details and events from the books would work out much better as a series!
Your comment mentioning the Hero beating up a small thief reminds me of something I once heard about the different kinds of peace. I can't remember specifics, but it was talking about how sure, the Big Bad Evil Overlord has been killed, the Hero marries the princess, and everyone lives Happily Ever After, but just because Sauron, for example, isn't spewing smog everywhere, that doesn't mean little evils aren't happening everywhere making people's lives miserable. Someone needs to be the cop on the street (what poor timing) making sure the little folk aren't getting bullied. Pretty sure it was a Goblin Slayer discourse video.
As an elementary school librarian it was hard going trying to introduce kids even to just _The Hobbit_. Then I found a set of audiotapes "reading" the books ( in quote marks because it was an edited and shortened version) and played it for the upper grades every Friday for weeks.
After that, I couldn't keep the books on the shelves. Tolkien's language is intricate but with some groundwork the kids could handle it. Even bought one copy of the Silmarillion. The LOTR as well of course.
We ended up with 5 copies of _The Hobbit_ and they were constantly out. That was useful as it was another way to send kids to the public library, hopefully developing life long library users.
Such fun!
Retired librarian, Michigan
I'm highly interested of the while though of the lands and kingdoms being ruled by the injustice and tyranny before the heroes rise to lead a rebellion against their cruel masters to free their lands. Even though I have not reached to this part of the book, I really find this interesting.
"the Halfling Weed has clearly slowed your mind!"
Well Pot calling the kettle white...
because what do Meriadoc and Peregrim find after the cleansing of isengard?
"Longbottom Leaf! THe finest weed in all the south farthing"
Certainly explains their very good humor.
I read here that many people think leaving this part of the story out of the movies was a good thing to do, and I have to disagree.
The Scouring of the Shire is very important to the overall tale of The Lord of the Rings. In it you see how the long, dangerous journey and the exposure to different peoples and cultures have changed each individual hobbit. They are strong in ways they would never have recognized as they ride home. They left as innocent and silly boy-men and returned as seasoned warriors, survivors of what could have been a global catastrophe. So these are no longer "simple" country folk, but leaders, fighters, hobbits of courage and fortitude. Worse, Saruman's death as it was portrayed was, to me, no more than a Hollywood shortcut. The real tragedy of Saruman, as portrayed in the book, is his decent from a powerful, masterful, deep, and subtle mind to a petty shadow of himself content to bully and terrorize. Even though we meet him after the years of being under Sauron's influence, he is still terribly dangerous.
However, in the feature the Saruman we see is defeated but we don't understand how far he has really fallen, or the depth of his true degradation. We know he's been influencing events in the Shire, First Galadriel showed it in her mirror and then Merry and Pippen find pipeweed in the Isengard storehouses. Yet, when our movie hobbits finally return home there is little or no visible, long lasting effect of the corruption these transactions effected. The facts that had been hinted prove to be of no importance. We're actually expected to dismiss and forget them. The four hobbits fought for Middle Earth as an abstract concept, but when it turns out they had no personal irons in that fire what they have learned isn't nearly as important. Their own homes were unchanged and and their friends unaffected by the terror they so narrowly avoided.
Therefore, I feel that the scouring of the Shire SHOULD have been included in the film series. The points of the length of the film and the multiple ending problem while valid, do not show us how MUCH or how DEEPLY the war of the Rings changed Frodo, Sam, Merry, or Pippen. That, to me, seems a disservice. Therefore, I think it could have been included, perhaps in an abbreviated form, and in a way which would have blended into the final tale of Frodo's trip to the Grey Havens. I, for one, truly missed this penultimate portion of the tale.
It was so sad they left this whole incident out, i would have been a proper ending to the movies. But I also missed Tom Bombadil in the movie also, lol. Thanks
This is similar to what happens in real life a lot of times when it comes to the oppression.
It stinks that this wasn’t a bigger part in the movies. I’d have loved to see the hobbits kick some ass.
I feel like out of all the factions in LoTR the Cousairs if I'm spelling it right would be the ones with guns. Since they are sailers and seem like they would travel far
And that's the story of how Miracle-Gro became in Middle Earth LOL
is a really good chapter in the books, but i feel for a cinematic point of view, it would be really long and it would´t make a lot meaning at the end, maybe if it was a series of the lotr, i will find it more fitting, and Sarumans death in the movies is a really good scene, and the end result is the same, but with more meaning in a narrative perspective because it follows the great evil deads of Saruman and his deserved ending. At the end i think the Peter jackson aproach was better for a movie, but in a history perspective, both version have something strong about it, and i like both
What happened to Saruman's fea (spirit) after he was killed? Did it go to the Halls of Mandos? Is there anything in any of the books that mentions that?
It is always always always better in the books! Silly question...
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peter jackson should have included this in the return of the kind because it would have shown how the sam, merry, pippin and frodo have changed due to their journey and how they went from helpless habits to protectors and warriors. it would have echoed what Gandalf would tell bilbo about going on this journey would change him and they would have a tale or two to tell on their return.
The Scouring of the Shire would have been too much, added to a film (Return of the King) that already had so much going on, it would have felt anti-climactic, and unnecessary. Peter Jackson did the right thing by killing Saruman at Izengard, because Saruman's side of the story was pretty much wrapped up at that point.
It would’ve made a good movie in itself.
The Shire needed a good assassin
It would be great to show this in the Amazon series. That and the blue wizards/
I would have loved to see the scouring of the shire in the movies. When I watched them for the first time, that was my biggest disappointment.
However, I agree with their decision not to include it but for different reasons.
It's a complete story within itself, with a beginning, middle and end. And there are many new characters that would have needed introducing. The first half doesn't have any pre-existing characters (in the movies) at all.
It would require 30-60 minutes of runtime to do it justice. If they tried to tack it on the end of RotK in 10 minutes it would have been really bad. Given that, I'm content with the ending they chose.
Instead I would have loved to see them do it as a 30-60 minute DVD extra 'alternate ending'. They could have even had a small theatrical release for it, probably coming out a month or two after the main movie.
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I think it was a great way to demonstrate how far the four Hobbits have grown over the course of the story, but it would've been very anticlimactic cinematically speaking.
The Scouring of the Shire is one of my absolute favorite parts of The Lord of the Rings and the fact that none of it is represented in the movies - not even in the extended versions, not even as storyboards or deleted scenes, nothing - still irritates me to this day.
Not gonna lie. This was one of my favorite parts of the books.
Way, way better in the books. Thank you for this piece, nicely done. I suspect, just like animal farm a couple of years before, this part of LOTR is far too critical of the real world left to be allowed too much public airing in today's dissociative left leaning media, however well observed. A truly great piece of writing.
Do you think it would have been better to include it in the movies?
@@GeekZoneMT absolutely, the lovely gentle jrr with all his experience left us with an earnest appraisal of "sharers"
@@GeekZoneMT Definitely, gatherers & sharers,mean spirited, homicidal leaders, a brilliant piece of commentary for it's day. Lotho could have been written with our parasitic, entitled middle classes in mind today, totally apposite. A relevant message our society needs, which is why the censors left it profligately on the cutting room floor. No truths need be spoken to our little darlings on campus,it will only excite them!
I liked the book best, nothing matches the imagination,a more clear picture is hard to find.
That's the beauty of books over their film counterparts: they allow the reader to conjure up far better images than is possible on film, in my experience.
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GeekZone yes indeed!
My personal favourite is Ralf Bakshi 70s adaptation own it watch it many times❤️🇨🇦
I would have liked Saruman surviving the LOTR and becoming a new evil in the Lands
hey amazing video as usual.
but i'm a bit confused on the timeline of these events. was the scouring of the shire before or after the ring was destroyed?
It was after the ring's destruction :)
I guess you only saw the movies?? Try reading the books and you’ll have a whole different experience with Middle Earth.
@@GeekZoneMT thanks. will try getting my hands on the books. they seem more amazing
The dislikes are from the hobbits that stayed loyal to Saruman
@17:30 What was better the books or something he movie version?! Wow, scraping the bottom for viewer engagement, eh? The Scouring of the Shire is THE important part of the story. The return to the known is the most important part of the hero's journey. So is the hobbits gaining agency over the protection of their own lands.
The entire LotR story leads up to this end. Tolkien tells us here that you may go on great adventures, you may do great deeds, and when you return home you will have more to do; and that even after you set all things right, home will never be the same to you as you have gone on great adventures, seen wondrous things and done great deeds.
If you cut out that part, then you lost the entire plot of the tale.
Imagine trying to shit talk the Frodo clan after they faced the likes of Shelob. Horrible idea for sure.
Amazing....
Were they not called Shirrifs (at least in Tolkien´s original text)? :)
It would have required so much more time to tell this story well. Maybe sometime this part of the Hobbit lore will be told.
Yeah, it would be best to portray it in a series imo :)
True enough that. Maybe an ambitious fan film?
@@vixendoe2545 I'd be down with that also :)
nothing can beat the books!
The negative changes of the chief in the shire seems to be an analogy of Soviet Russia
It is my dream to one day live in the shire.