I think they changed their focus from SoD to actual Classic Plus some months ago. Would explain the lack of attention and quality SoD got and fits with recent rumors, survey and DEV comments.
i've been saying since day one that crypts and any potential scarlet crusade raid would be post-naxx, as it only makes the most sense considering atiesh will take you to karazhan + there's always a possibility of a "purify the ashbringer" quest that would be relevant for a post-naxx scarlet raid. releasing this content at any other point just makes very little sense thematically
The perfect setup would be Kara after naxx so the atiesh teleport is super useful. And I think they should come out with the scarlet raid at the same time as Kara with a RAID quest to cleanse ashbringer. Sprinkle in a few more DFC type dungeons and add some fan favorite bgs for the rank14 grind. Would really wrap SOD up nicely. I believe they can do it
I honestly figured Karazhan Crypts or Karazhan would be a Tier 4 level 60 so after Naxxramas I dunno though. I thought they were going to do more Tiers beyond 3 for level 60 was how all the cancelled raids would play out.
They should release ZG and BWL with a large pvp event or new BG! Then with AQ release a string of new dungeons(4-6 being optimistic) with hints at Kara, and maybe the last world bosses! Then bring out Kara as 10 man counterpart to Nax!
I can see a Karazhan Crypts and Scarlet Citadel being in the last phase as 2 different 10man dungeons. Atiesh will lead people to the Crypts AND…. Imagine…. A continuation of the Corrupted Ashbringer line inside of the Scarlet raid. An actual reforged Ashbringer like was originally hinted.
I just want more blackrock hubs - maybe Kharazan is that. a raid, a dungeon and reps alongside. then the next new thing I'd like is grim batol and maybe even the highlands being introduced. another hub thing in Kalimdor as well - maybe make a raid of Dire maul
There is such a low chance getting a whole new raid, with new raid bosses and them fixing crypts so it is ready for a raid. I am pretty sure when we went in there during legion for the weapon quest. Doors still were labeled doodad #. So that area still needs work. There is not much chance they are going to put that much of there limited resources there for a ever declining SOD player base.
what have they been doing for the past 12 months? if it isn't developing the karazhan crypts teaser they put into blizcon then what the fuck have they been doing? Lmao and people actually pay them money and praise the dev team for this pile of garbage recycled ideas
@@joshea7861 On top of that for the MOST part this "New" level 60 content is just season of mastery old content.. It just seems new because the vast majority did not play Season of mastery.
@@holyapple9145 all the spells are recycled retail abilities. hello guy we didnt want 45 new abilities per class, and the unneccesarily bloated spell book - this is retails curse DIDNT WE REMOVE ALL THESE ABILITIES IN LEGION OR WOD?? the community wanted 3-4 abilities per class that truly balanced vanilla PVE and PVP. we all knew which classes needed which abilities and blizzard instead chose to give us the rune system which was bloated by phase 2 for all classes.
i think you greatly overestimate how much "work" what you're describing actually takes. they made demonfall canyon in a week. renaming some doodads so that they have proper tooltips is something that would take literal seconds, it was obviously just an oversight in legion.
I personally don't want Karazhan crypts. If you've ever explored the area you know just how drab and basically boring it is, and I can't imagine a world where someone fills that area with exciting and repeatable raid content. Even BWL or AQ40 are less drab. I don't know what the alternative would be, tho. They could drop custom raids entirely, which would also be disappointing.
You know what would be really cool? Is if in the future once classic+ arrives, after your guild beats KT and someone gets atiesh and you can teleport to kharazhan, it teleports you and whoever is in your party/raid to inside the crypts where there's a dungeon/mini raid that's main purpose would be lore progression. And then from there you could continue the branching story after finding out whatever secret is in the crypts.
from the moment you beat KT and are able to use Atiesh, there is 20+ years of established lore already in place from that point in time? What lore progression would they do? Cmon you already know they would get Sylvannas involved and it just goes downhill from there
@joshea7861 so what's the point of classic+ then? The 20+ year lore argument is a strange one indeed. How are you going to have classic+ and follow the original script at the same time? Use your head man
@@Andee1234 the content is in the game already. Hyjal, old outlands, old hellfire peninsula, stormwind vaults, Uldum, Grim Batol, none of it needs new lore. You don't really need to add to any of the content that was already planned for vanilla, but was dumped. What really needs to happen is any one of these places to be used in SOD/Classic+, as they already have the bulk of the maps built 20 years ago.
@@Andee1234 you want lore progression written for classic +? i think that's where you are going wrong. just follow the lore that exists, i want content.
Scarlet raid will be a 10m. It will release after Naxx and feed progression into Kara crypts, which will be a new 20m alt raid to Naxx, which will still be 40m and still be end game. I suspect SM/kara will be like aq20 or ZG, catchup / alt gear raids for Naxx. Also both of those places are tied to Naxx lore wise, so there will be interactions with the staff of atiesh and corrupted ashbringer
Holy smokes! SoD is moving at a steady and good pace (albeit p3 was WAY too long), but I assumed most players thought Karazan Crypts would be in phase 8 at the earliest. We just started phase 4, and we get a video asking where Kara is!?!?
If Kharazhan crypts were to come, it does make sense for them to be either released with naxx or after naxx. I think heartglen would make a good spot for some sort of scarlet raid, same way they did to DFC.
All new raids and dungeons might be in development already, but not for SoD, instead for classic+. It's a business decision. SoD has just been a paid classic+ beta :)
I don’t think it’s fair to call the classic playerbase loud or unfair. I think they have set pretty clear parameters for what they want, and whenever Blizzard does all sorts of weird experiments with it, they get annoyed. I personally quit SoD in season one. I knew immediately it wasn’t for me. I wanted new content and some small class updates, not this glyph hidden behind nearly impossible (without wowhead) quests. I thought this was pretty easy to understand, but apparently not. Turtle WoW offers what I want, but Blizzard started going after them a bit sadly. I just wish Blizzard would do what they do.
I should have clarified more, but it's not that the playerbase is loud or unfair, but that they chose to ignore the "Seasonal Experiment" angle of SoD. For sure if they made the same mistakes with Classic+, I'd be right there holding the torch with the crowd.
SO you want garbage class balacning where the only dps is warrior? You want where priest can only be healer, shaman can only be resto and basically enhance and ele is nonexistent? You want 1 tank class?
It's not that we dont get the content 'exactly' how we want. The content isn't even close to what we want or how SoD was advertised to us. We aren't that unreasonable. The fact the devs even thought that incursions were a good idea shows where they are at. They are out of touch and have no fkn idea. They are like an abuser...when they try, they are even worse. Anyway, back to 🐢 for me.
Most of SOD has been a failure imo. Runes should have been base abilities for the most part, where the rune aspect was there to improve certain playstyles. The level up raids arent that fresh or new, just upgraded content. It honestly just feels like classic again but more specs are viable, and the gear makes more sense. The same dps are at the top, and melee hunter is still being beaten by boomie at the bottom. Its honestly just been one let down after another and I'm not sure if the devs even know what they are doing.
Well first off, Kharazhan Crypts only makes sense of being released after Naxxaramas so that the Ateish portal effect that takes players to Kharazhan can be used. So your timeline is completely off. We are just in MC phase so there is still a ways to go and It also looks like they hinted of not releasing Kharazhan Crypts when they made that comment in an interview “the screenshots at the end of the presentation doesn’t necessarily mean that the content will come out” and due to Classic + being given the green light. They might just save that and any new content for Classic + for no spoilers.
They'll not gonna do anything shockingly new imo, just original Vanilla content with icing on top, I don't know if you noticed, but they recently announced a "saga" for retail, so in their mind, they think the classic hype will die out and shrink with time as they focus their resources on retail.
I'm theorizing that we will be getting all of the current raids we know and love up until Naxx, prior to the release of Naxx we will get the prepatch invasions as well the Crypts introduced as a catchup 10 or 20man. After Naxxramas we will likely be getting the Scarlet Monestary raid that is triggered by someone holding the Corrupted Ashbringer in which they can then purify it into the Legendary version via a long questline, likewise we will get Karazhan Tower as a bonus raid for whomever has Atiesh equipped these weapons acting as keys to the coresponding raids but once the player has entered those raids it becomes unlocked for those realms respectively without the need for the "keys".
@@joshea7861 Says who? :/ If molten core was designed and released in a week or less time than this is 100% possible. Go be a crab somewhere else. It's one thing to bash on a leak or whatever as there is no viable credibility to it, but to bash on a theory? Lol
@@grinchygamed657 molten core, designed for a brand new game that has no raids except onyxia. designed as the first raid ever to contain multiple bosses. kara crypts / scarlet crusade raid, designed for a dead game with declining playerbase and it will last 2 months before shutting the server down forever. hahahahahaa yeah they are gonna design this shit in a week and put it in the game for you bro
@@grinchygamed657 okay so to quote you "after naxx we will likely be getting scarlet crusade" im theorizing that it's very unlikely they release jack shit. it's a theory.
you are completely delusional, its gone from a baseless theory from a salty handful who got burned out before even reaching level 60 to a mob of people willfully ignoring large amounts of evidence that indicates that SoD is intended as a long term baseline for C+. They will probably roll out some fresh servers for people who dont like playing mmos after level 25. Having played and enjoyed sod from day 1 I'm anticipating moving to some type of classic+ legacy server where we can jump in the endgame, and possibly some cosmetics or title "discoverer" for sticking with and shaping C+ development
@@inkbyfrank no I hate AQ as well so many bad boss fights trash with random ass abilities in classic we used burner IDs to see who had the least amount of Thrash in it.
I have yet to see an actual original piece of content from the classic dev team. even the assets in the new raids aren't new. abilities are reworks from wotlk and cata mostly. there's nothing NOTHING original in SOD. why are people still trusting lizzard?
@@xMrMayhemx well no Art team no new assets. Second of all they said specifically at the beginning of SoD it's like you see pictures from your granddad now timeline wise it's the same just with more information of how they lived. So how can they get new assets running when they are not even allowed to use them?
@@zerodas3293 1 word: outsourcing while out is meaning internal in the company who made the game in the first place. counter question: how are they making a new dungeon when the original wasn't finished?
@@xMrMayhemx They don't get the budget to hire the art team. Blizzard works like a small market economy internally. If the SoD/Classic team want new assets they have to pay the art team to make those assets. If they want to make new items / boss mechanics / etc. they need to pay the developers in the SoD/Classic team. They currently have a budget that is *juuuuuust* large enough to pay the art team every other month to make some tiny piece of 3d or texture design, but not enough to get even a single original new NPC (type), let alone a new map. The rest of the budget is spent on the SoD/Classic team devs, and if they want art they have to find a free way of getting it, which usually means "stealing" assets from newer expansions. Edit: They're currently trying to save some more money by reducing their infrastructure costs with creating mega-realms in each region. Let's see if that gamble pays off for them, like infra told them it would
Craving some Karazhan Crisps.
The fact that they are pushing everything to one mega server shows they are NOT going to do anything more with SOD than the bare minimum.
I think they changed their focus from SoD to actual Classic Plus some months ago. Would explain the lack of attention and quality SoD got and fits with recent rumors, survey and DEV comments.
i've been saying since day one that crypts and any potential scarlet crusade raid would be post-naxx, as it only makes the most sense considering atiesh will take you to karazhan + there's always a possibility of a "purify the ashbringer" quest that would be relevant for a post-naxx scarlet raid. releasing this content at any other point just makes very little sense thematically
The perfect setup would be Kara after naxx so the atiesh teleport is super useful. And I think they should come out with the scarlet raid at the same time as Kara with a RAID quest to cleanse ashbringer. Sprinkle in a few more DFC type dungeons and add some fan favorite bgs for the rank14 grind. Would really wrap SOD up nicely. I believe they can do it
I honestly figured Karazhan Crypts or Karazhan would be a Tier 4 level 60 so after Naxxramas I dunno though. I thought they were going to do more Tiers beyond 3 for level 60 was how all the cancelled raids would play out.
They should release ZG and BWL with a large pvp event or new BG! Then with AQ release a string of new dungeons(4-6 being optimistic) with hints at Kara, and maybe the last world bosses! Then bring out Kara as 10 man counterpart to Nax!
I can see a Karazhan Crypts and Scarlet Citadel being in the last phase as 2 different 10man dungeons. Atiesh will lead people to the Crypts AND…. Imagine…. A continuation of the Corrupted Ashbringer line inside of the Scarlet raid. An actual reforged Ashbringer like was originally hinted.
When Karazhan and Scarlet been promise? i dont remember that
For me and some guildmembers phase 3 killed everything in sod...sadly.
We didnt even checked phase 4 cause there is no more excitement :(
If they can make it as good as OG karazan it would be a win.
I just want more blackrock hubs - maybe Kharazan is that. a raid, a dungeon and reps alongside.
then the next new thing I'd like is grim batol and maybe even the highlands being introduced.
another hub thing in Kalimdor as well - maybe make a raid of Dire maul
There is such a low chance getting a whole new raid, with new raid bosses and them fixing crypts so it is ready for a raid. I am pretty sure when we went in there during legion for the weapon quest. Doors still were labeled doodad #. So that area still needs work. There is not much chance they are going to put that much of there limited resources there for a ever declining SOD player base.
what have they been doing for the past 12 months? if it isn't developing the karazhan crypts teaser they put into blizcon then what the fuck have they been doing? Lmao and people actually pay them money and praise the dev team for this pile of garbage recycled ideas
@@joshea7861 On top of that for the MOST part this "New" level 60 content is just season of mastery old content.. It just seems new because the vast majority did not play Season of mastery.
@@holyapple9145 all the spells are recycled retail abilities. hello guy we didnt want 45 new abilities per class, and the unneccesarily bloated spell book - this is retails curse DIDNT WE REMOVE ALL THESE ABILITIES IN LEGION OR WOD?? the community wanted 3-4 abilities per class that truly balanced vanilla PVE and PVP. we all knew which classes needed which abilities and blizzard instead chose to give us the rune system which was bloated by phase 2 for all classes.
i think you greatly overestimate how much "work" what you're describing actually takes. they made demonfall canyon in a week. renaming some doodads so that they have proper tooltips is something that would take literal seconds, it was obviously just an oversight in legion.
@@brandonkays3005 literally no idea what your comment means
I personally don't want Karazhan crypts.
If you've ever explored the area you know just how drab and basically boring it is, and I can't imagine a world where someone fills that area with exciting and repeatable raid content. Even BWL or AQ40 are less drab.
I don't know what the alternative would be, tho. They could drop custom raids entirely, which would also be disappointing.
Lol they never promised scarlet crusade raid it was teased, i can say i felt they said kara crypts
You know what would be really cool? Is if in the future once classic+ arrives, after your guild beats KT and someone gets atiesh and you can teleport to kharazhan, it teleports you and whoever is in your party/raid to inside the crypts where there's a dungeon/mini raid that's main purpose would be lore progression. And then from there you could continue the branching story after finding out whatever secret is in the crypts.
from the moment you beat KT and are able to use Atiesh, there is 20+ years of established lore already in place from that point in time? What lore progression would they do? Cmon you already know they would get Sylvannas involved and it just goes downhill from there
@joshea7861 so what's the point of classic+ then? The 20+ year lore argument is a strange one indeed. How are you going to have classic+ and follow the original script at the same time? Use your head man
@@Andee1234 the content is in the game already. Hyjal, old outlands, old hellfire peninsula, stormwind vaults,
Uldum, Grim Batol, none of it needs new lore. You don't really need to add to any of the content that was already planned for vanilla, but was dumped. What really needs to happen is any one of these places to be used in SOD/Classic+, as they already have the bulk of the maps built 20 years ago.
@@joshea7861 so you want lore progression in the form of maps that were never fully implemented
@@Andee1234 you want lore progression written for classic +? i think that's where you are going wrong. just follow the lore that exists, i want content.
Where is Karazhan Crypts? It’s in Turtle 🐢 WoW. If you don’t believe me, just TH-cam it for yourselves.
that is what I was thinking :D
@@DevEr1k That Blizzard is a joke? I’d have to agree, my good sir.
It made the most sense to me to have Kara after Naxx
in a recent interview they said that "aside from BWL we were going to get new content that they have us a sneak peak of"
scarlet crusade could still be coming after or along with Naxx...
Wish the best for those still playing SoD, I’ll be waiting an watching for Plus if it comes. Till then hardcore go again 🤪
If raid, this content will come after naxx, if not raid, with naxx as a catchup dungeon.
Scarlet raid will be a 10m. It will release after Naxx and feed progression into Kara crypts, which will be a new 20m alt raid to Naxx, which will still be 40m and still be end game. I suspect SM/kara will be like aq20 or ZG, catchup / alt gear raids for Naxx. Also both of those places are tied to Naxx lore wise, so there will be interactions with the staff of atiesh and corrupted ashbringer
Didnt they confirm its not coming out at all for sod?
Holy smokes! SoD is moving at a steady and good pace (albeit p3 was WAY too long), but I assumed most players thought Karazan Crypts would be in phase 8 at the earliest. We just started phase 4, and we get a video asking where Kara is!?!?
Save it for Classic+ I guess
Wouldn’t it come out after Nax?
If Kharazhan crypts were to come, it does make sense for them to be either released with naxx or after naxx.
I think heartglen would make a good spot for some sort of scarlet raid, same way they did to DFC.
One boss they can do for the Scarlet raid would be Lilian Voss. The perfect place to show how she died in the first place.
Its coming after Naxx bro.
All new raids and dungeons might be in development already, but not for SoD, instead for classic+. It's a business decision. SoD has just been a paid classic+ beta :)
Kharazan crypts should be released as a dungeon along side a brand new karazhan raid
I don’t think it’s fair to call the classic playerbase loud or unfair. I think they have set pretty clear parameters for what they want, and whenever Blizzard does all sorts of weird experiments with it, they get annoyed.
I personally quit SoD in season one. I knew immediately it wasn’t for me. I wanted new content and some small class updates, not this glyph hidden behind nearly impossible (without wowhead) quests. I thought this was pretty easy to understand, but apparently not.
Turtle WoW offers what I want, but Blizzard started going after them a bit sadly. I just wish Blizzard would do what they do.
I should have clarified more, but it's not that the playerbase is loud or unfair, but that they chose to ignore the "Seasonal Experiment" angle of SoD. For sure if they made the same mistakes with Classic+, I'd be right there holding the torch with the crowd.
SO you want garbage class balacning where the only dps is warrior?
You want where priest can only be healer, shaman can only be resto and basically enhance and ele is nonexistent?
You want 1 tank class?
Makes the most sense to be after Naxx..
Bc it’ll be after Naxx
We just need Blizzard to release another TBC server to do OG Karazhan
It's not that we dont get the content 'exactly' how we want. The content isn't even close to what we want or how SoD was advertised to us. We aren't that unreasonable. The fact the devs even thought that incursions were a good idea shows where they are at. They are out of touch and have no fkn idea. They are like an abuser...when they try, they are even worse. Anyway, back to 🐢 for me.
Doesn't matter... everyone has dropped SoD. They failed. They disappointed everyone on multiple levels.
Let it die.
A great day for classic amigo! When Karazhan comes it will be good 😆
'Lizzard Entertainment at work.
Do you think anything changed since last year? They're still the same.
I actually just want sod to end already and go on to whatever is next, lol
Most of SOD has been a failure imo. Runes should have been base abilities for the most part, where the rune aspect was there to improve certain playstyles. The level up raids arent that fresh or new, just upgraded content. It honestly just feels like classic again but more specs are viable, and the gear makes more sense. The same dps are at the top, and melee hunter is still being beaten by boomie at the bottom. Its honestly just been one let down after another and I'm not sure if the devs even know what they are doing.
From mister (T)Jello to Ebonhardt today is a good day
A day with Classic content is a good day!
Karazhan crypts, it can't be a raid, it was part of what is known as a micro dungeon. The only one that survived is Scholomance.
Well first off, Kharazhan Crypts only makes sense of being released after Naxxaramas so that the Ateish portal effect that takes players to Kharazhan can be used. So your timeline is completely off.
We are just in MC phase so there is still a ways to go and It also looks like they hinted of not releasing Kharazhan Crypts when they made that comment in an interview “the screenshots at the end of the presentation doesn’t necessarily mean that the content will come out” and due to Classic + being given the green light. They might just save that and any new content for Classic + for no spoilers.
I actually did say that in the video, that it being after Naxx makes the most sense. I was just covering every possible release point.
@@EbonhardtTV we need the crypts to complete the ashbringer
@@EbonhardtTV Ya I re-watched It and miss heard at 1:44. I thought you said “the place” not the first place.
They'll not gonna do anything shockingly new imo, just original Vanilla content with icing on top, I don't know if you noticed, but they recently announced a "saga" for retail, so in their mind, they think the classic hype will die out and shrink with time as they focus their resources on retail.
First day?
I'm theorizing that we will be getting all of the current raids we know and love up until Naxx, prior to the release of Naxx we will get the prepatch invasions as well the Crypts introduced as a catchup 10 or 20man. After Naxxramas we will likely be getting the Scarlet Monestary raid that is triggered by someone holding the Corrupted Ashbringer in which they can then purify it into the Legendary version via a long questline, likewise we will get Karazhan Tower as a bonus raid for whomever has Atiesh equipped these weapons acting as keys to the coresponding raids but once the player has entered those raids it becomes unlocked for those realms respectively without the need for the "keys".
lmao my guy they are not designing 2 entirely new raids for a game that is going to last 3-4 months after release of said designs
@@joshea7861 Says who? :/ If molten core was designed and released in a week or less time than this is 100% possible. Go be a crab somewhere else. It's one thing to bash on a leak or whatever as there is no viable credibility to it, but to bash on a theory? Lol
@@grinchygamed657 molten core, designed for a brand new game that has no raids except onyxia. designed as the first raid ever to contain multiple bosses. kara crypts / scarlet crusade raid, designed for a dead game with declining playerbase and it will last 2 months before shutting the server down forever. hahahahahaa yeah they are gonna design this shit in a week and put it in the game for you bro
@@joshea7861 Once again, I was THEORIZING that these are possibilities. :)
@@grinchygamed657 okay so to quote you "after naxx we will likely be getting scarlet crusade" im theorizing that it's very unlikely they release jack shit. it's a theory.
Season of Disapointment
They are saving it for the real Classic+!
you are completely delusional, its gone from a baseless theory from a salty handful who got burned out before even reaching level 60 to a mob of people willfully ignoring large amounts of evidence that indicates that SoD is intended as a long term baseline for C+. They will probably roll out some fresh servers for people who dont like playing mmos after level 25.
Having played and enjoyed sod from day 1 I'm anticipating moving to some type of classic+ legacy server where we can jump in the endgame, and possibly some cosmetics or title "discoverer" for sticking with and shaping C+ development
if dfc is the only new content they add till post nax the devs are just lazy bastards they made dfc in a week aswell so we know its easy for them
Just go play Turtle WOW.
SoD has slowly become a comeplete disappointment..
Nah, it was a disappointment right out the gate
people love aq 40 what are you talking about
Honestly, might just be who I talk with, but I don't know many people (0) who like AQ40. AQ20 is the jam tho
@@inkbyfrank no I hate AQ as well so many bad boss fights trash with random ass abilities in classic we used burner IDs to see who had the least amount of Thrash in it.
Blizzard copium.
Sod is trash. It’s a WoW classic on EASYIEST DIFFIXULTY ITS ACTUALLY TRASH. Sorry I don’t play games on easy mode it’s pathetic
Click bait video, disliked
Stopped watching the moment you said how DFC was good.
I have yet to see an actual original piece of content from the classic dev team.
even the assets in the new raids aren't new. abilities are reworks from wotlk and cata mostly. there's nothing NOTHING original in SOD. why are people still trusting lizzard?
@@xMrMayhemx well no Art team no new assets. Second of all they said specifically at the beginning of SoD it's like you see pictures from your granddad now timeline wise it's the same just with more information of how they lived. So how can they get new assets running when they are not even allowed to use them?
@@zerodas3293 1 word: outsourcing
while out is meaning internal in the company who made the game in the first place.
counter question: how are they making a new dungeon when the original wasn't finished?
@@xMrMayhemx what new dungeons do you mean DFC
@@zerodas3293 karazhan crypts. i thought it'll be a dungeon. as far as i know they never finished even the terrain inside not to mention mobs.
@@xMrMayhemx They don't get the budget to hire the art team. Blizzard works like a small market economy internally. If the SoD/Classic team want new assets they have to pay the art team to make those assets. If they want to make new items / boss mechanics / etc. they need to pay the developers in the SoD/Classic team. They currently have a budget that is *juuuuuust* large enough to pay the art team every other month to make some tiny piece of 3d or texture design, but not enough to get even a single original new NPC (type), let alone a new map. The rest of the budget is spent on the SoD/Classic team devs, and if they want art they have to find a free way of getting it, which usually means "stealing" assets from newer expansions.
Edit: They're currently trying to save some more money by reducing their infrastructure costs with creating mega-realms in each region. Let's see if that gamble pays off for them, like infra told them it would