How Geometry Dash Surpassed the Game it Copied
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- "It all started as a cube that could crash and jump."
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Main Menu - Wii Party
Life Will Change - Persona 5
All Right! - Street Fighter 6
Cool Edge (Night) - Sonic Unleashed
Omen of Disaster - Trails to Azure
Dropaholic - Sonic Frontiers
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No way it copied bro 2.2 almost out also i like your pfp pls pin
Ok just this once since you complemented my pfp
most realistic H i've ever seen, huge W pfp@@Henke_YT
Edit: help I started a chain
@@Henke_YT i really like that pfp too
@@Henke_YTngl, ur pfp a lil gay, but i can appreciate it
@@Henke_YTur pfp looks so good
The real trick in making your game successful is to let the community do the work for you
Thats why valve games are great
Im looking at valve rn
Like roblox
Like mario maker 2
We technically become slaves to developers
"No matter how good you are, there's always a level where you can meet your match"
This is such a fantastic line and perfectly sums up everything that Geometry Dash did right. Great video!!
It's pretty clear that GD owes almost all its success to its level editor, but I think people often overlook the fact that part of the reason this worked so well is because the editor is AMAZING. And there's many reasons for that:
1) It's super easy to use - When I first opened the GD editor, the way it worked was immediately clear. Place blocks and spikes on the grid, and press a button on the side to playtest it. From there, I was able to quickly pick up on how to use other features like changing background color, etc. On the other hand, in the IMPOSSIBLE GAME editor (which I actually used before GD), nothing made sense. The UI was an unorganized mess and getting basic things to work was an absolute nightmare. And considering that the only gameplay was jumping over spikes, it just didn't feel worth learning
2) The editor can do everything - RobTop has stated many times that he uses the exact same level editor as everyone else, and if there's a feature he needs for a new level of his, he'll add it. Most game developers hardcode lots of stuff for their levels and then throw a very watered-down subset of the features into an editor, and the fact that Geometry Dash DOESN'T do this has always been mind blowing to me.
3) Levels are shareable IN-GAME - In the vast majority of level editors, you simply save your level to a file and send it to a friend over a forum or something. Geometry Dash does the exact opposite, where you can't export level files but rather have to upload them to a public in-game database that anybody can browse. This way you don't have to sift through countless websites to find new stuff to play, and the featured level system helps curate good ones
4) Online levels are incentivized - Playing custom levels gives you the same rewards as if you played normal ones. Stars, orbs, etc. In fact, the vast majority of the game's achievements are specifically locked behind doing this. The level editor isn't just a piece of optional bonus content, it's extremely front-and-center.
A lot of this stuff was pretty unheard of back when Geometry Dash released - If the Impossible Game was Mario Bros. then GD was basically Mario Maker. The editor isn't perfect by any means but from a strictly design-focused standpoint it checked every box for a perfect game.
mandatory i love gd cologne
Geometry Dash
I love the in-depth comment, you're absolutely right that having the level editor at launch was the key. Also helps TH-camrs like us make our videos and promote the game
I looooooove gd cologne
everybody says "i love gd cologne", but no one asks "how is gd cologne" 😔
if I had a nickel for every time a swedish developer copied another game and surpassed the original game's popularity, creating a game designed around community creations with regular content updates, with said game often referred to as "cube game" I'd have 2 nickles.
Which isn't a lot but it's weird that it happened twice.
Level about your dog > Glorious Fortress
For those don't know another cube game was,don't read more if dont want spoiler.
Minecraft copy infinimine
Fact:i forgot the name in original comment
so what did minecraft copy again?
Infiniminer
@@TheRealTrueCoreInfinimine
It's amazing how much people underestimate Geometry Dash (people from outside the community). There is so much to this game that keeps it living on, outlasting many of the most popular games right now
nice it’s stallion.
Underestimate as in how big its community is? or how hard it is. Both usually shock people but everyone always thinks its such a simple easy game and think its childish.
Are you cooking something up or waiting for 2.2 it's been a while
@@zecaf7145 youll see
@@FarlayyDifficulty is underrated tbh. GD is arguably one of the hardest games ever made.
I’d never heard of The Impossible Game before, but honestly mad respect to Flukedude for seeing the success of his competitor and deciding to improve his game in his own way instead of leech off of him. I can’t imagine the envy/regret something like that could make someone feel.
10:59 2017*
2.2 was originally supposed to be a small update, but Robtop kept adding stuff and then having to go back to fix old stuff as well, including a whole new game type, platformer mode. But in 2.1 we’ve came very far, and with 2.2 coming within this next week or so, the game will become even more self sustaining than it already has.
P.S.
Everyplay was added in version 1.11. But I agree making a means of recording very accessible made the game explode so I’m glad you talked about it. ^^
So when every play was down the game was already big enough
I'm pretty sure the first 2.2 teaser came out in 2016, before 2.1
Teasing ig is the sneak peeks
everyone saying "wow I didn't expect a GD video from you"
for me it's "wow I didn't expect the creator of this GD video I found to be a non-gd youtuber"
Same
I might make GD content on another channel if the people really want it. On this channel, I'm doing more like this across different games
@@Henke_YTyou should make gd content! are you newer, or have you been playing for a long time?
@@Henke_YTYOU SHOULD I WILL LOVE TP SEE IT
@@Henke_YT react to a demon level then try it yourself xd
Nice vid!
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Thank you!
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2:32 Very minor thing, but I think I'd note that the engine GD uses is not Cocos2D. Now, I don't know what did The Impossible Game use, but Geometry Dash used Cocos2D-X. Yes, the X at the end makes a large difference. Cocos2D is a more web development focused framework (NOT engine) which uses HTML5. Cocos2D-X is a game development framework which uses C++.
terraria font with hallow background from terraria
Nope
ahh i got confused when I saw the "5" in the cocos2d logo. I though you made games in a website hence the HTML logo, i was wrong though.
An interesting thing is that this isn't the only viral mobile game to "copy" an older one. There had been a few Flash games where you needed to launch rocks to defeat your medieval opponents in their castles... standard fantasy stuff.
But if we swap rocks with birds, and humans with pigs... _oh hey,_ that's Angry Birds now isn't it?
It sure is. That's another one I might cover
@@Henke_YTCrush the Castle was part of my childhood.
Also, the Pandemic flashgame series, which I rarely hear about people talk about this, is literally just Plague Inc. If I recall, Pandemic 2 had all of the features Plague did.
Great to see coverage like this! It's a beautiful game with basically a community-driven survival based on lack of updates. The Impossible Game walked so Geometry Dash could run, drive, and fly. It is the most gratifying game to work at and progress through, and there's truly a space for all types of players!
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I'm glad that the level editor is something that exists, even if GD hasn't been updated in a long while we have MASTERPIECES like the Eschaton by Xender Game and Against the God by 1374, if this is what people created in this era, then I'm hyped to see what will come in 2.2!!
remember white space by xender game
@@ihavefluffcats2471 that too
WHAT, HOW, and whar are also amazing levels. whar is unreleased though.
@@Merciless-Destiny2 yeah, can't wait!
Guess what…
I have some news for you
I used to watch ur smash content so its awesome to see you covering geometry dash
Glad to have you back. I'm doing more videos like this across different games now
Great video, i didnt know too much about the history of impossible game so it was quite interesting to conpare the two. I think a newgrounds audio portal mention and showing the triggers and stuff wouldve definitely emphasized the point more but it was pretty good as is.
You get one thumbs up and two spare nickels from me
Nope
I hope RobTop doesn't stop with 2.2 and keeps updating it for years to come.
Might as well, the game just keeps growing
@@Henke_YThe already said he would
RobTop publicly has planned to continue updating this game forever. He enjoys what he does and loves seeing what his community does.
Oh he wont
2.3 is already confirmed
I still remember first downloading the mobile version of the game in 1.8 (Hexagon Force) just to see what GD is like, but when 1.9 (and the Steam port) was released, I got pulled into the game a lot more because of the ability of making my own custom levels, and playing community-made levels by fellow peeps ^^
I agree that GD's level editor is a key reason to why the game is as successful as it is today, there's a whole lotta fun stuff that can be made with it, and I'm very intrigued in what the upcoming 2.2 editor features will offer 🦊💖
reminds me of hydro being copied by orererereo
hello mr tricky wolf guy can you make song more good song me like
I was not expecting a geometry dash video from you but I’m here for it
Loved the video! Really in depth and goes through how this happened perfectly! I would love to see more geometry dash videos from you.
Funny thing is, Impossible Game 2 probably had a relatively big active player spike compared to their usual player count after this video released
i loved this game as a kid i was so surprised and confused when other kids called it geometry dash
Fantastic video, I first played The Impossible Game before Geometry Dash, so despite Geo Dash being a better game, The Impossible Game still means a lot to me and it's a shame people don't acknowledge its history in being what shaped Geometry Dash especially with how important it really is, The Impossible Game 2's announcement was insane to me too because I really wanted to see what FlukeDude was going to do next, and he did deliver, and I think more people should give The Impossible Game 2 a peep, just don't go in expecting it to be the Geometry Dash killer; it's just a fun game! :)
It's really funny to me because I always liked to back the innovator... in that I first played The Impossible Game about 4 months before Geometry Dash came out, and then thought Geo Dash looked lame until I actually tried it and got into it... 5k (almost 6k) hours on steam later and I don't think it's quite as lame as I once thought years ago, I remember beating ToE for the first time back in 2014, to which I messaged RobTop on steam telling him and he responded with a typical RobTop "good job :)" which made little me smile with glee at the time lol
Nope
Nope what? @@ClamWorld
@@ClamWorld ?
RobTop is a genius
No replys and no likes? Lemme fix that
You didn't fix a thing@@Ryxld
i loved the video, one thing i was confused about while watching is why not mention the music at all? i feel like the music was a big part of geometry dash as a casual player who never really got too far into it. did the impossible game even have music? was it any good? these are questions that were going through my head throughout most of this video. overall, editing was great and i enjoyed watching iti, was just curious about this thing. keep up the good work
My thoughts are with you at this very moment. Although to answer some of your questions, there was music in The Impossible Game (just look up footage for it).
Music plays the biggest role in Geometry Dash, which imo led to its success. There are a few other factors not mentioned in this video, like the different types of icons you can unlock, with vaults and etc. The lack of context was my only critique with the video so far. So yeah, I agree with you.
The Impossible Game had great music and so does Geometry Dash. That's another factor for sure
Yeah. Felt like 1.9 was something he should have mentioned as it contributed to geometry dash’s success greatly due to custom songs, as well as a new set of 2 official songs as well.
Yes the impossible game has music. in fact, robtop basically ripped off the practice theme from the impossible game for the Geometry Dash menu 🤣. go take a listen!
@@Henke_YTI think downloading music directly from newgrounds into GD for level editor was the best thing robtop did in 1.6. It was crazy and it was probably the biggest editor change with the color channels being upgraded to 4 and you being able to change object colors. (*cof cof* nice circles *cof cof*)
Remember how you said that the impossible game 2 had improved gameplay mechanics? Well in the geometry dash level editor, you can set up triggers to manipulate the gameplay mechanics however you want. So many levels on Geometry Dash are LITERAL MINIGAMES, and on top of that, the Impossible game 2 was remade in Geometry Dash within a couple of weeks. It really shows how extensive the capabilities of the level editor and the community are. I feel like no matter how much you research GD you always underestimate its true power.
damn lmao Impossible Game 2 was immediately cheated xd
Lmao true, GD is basically a game engine now that 2.2 is out.
Just think about it, if it wasn’t for fluke games, we wouldn’t have geometry dash, and if it wasn’t for robtop, it would be quite the same story… thank you fluke games…
thank you for commenting that so i realized that
Well said
I like your video. It is sad that The Impossible Game 2 didn't get a peak because Geometry Dash is popular and already has hype built up for 2.2 but at least they tried... Maybe one day TIG 2 will get enough players to play (at least 100 or more). I like your PFP ngl.
What a throwback W video
Keep up the dope vids my man
Both are great games but I am glad that Geometry Dash won in the end and is still full of life!
I second this
Nope
Why root for a copy
@@herobrine1847because it did better than the original
@@herobrine1847 if copy > original, root for copy
I think it is worth noting that Robtob had the chance to collaborate with big indie EDM artists and collaborate with Newgrounds to source community-made music to the game, which in itself made the creative freedom to thrive even further. This if what also allowed to Geometry Dash to surge in success.
I didn't expect a Geometry Dash video from you!
Such a well made video!
Great video! one thing i would like to correct though, the 2.2 update was teased as early as 2017 / 2018.
I'm curious, was there a video teaser at that time or did RobTop just say something about it?
@@Henke_YT basically, back in 2017 shortly after 2.1, he immediately started working on 2.2. there would be mostly teaser images until 2018, when he showcased some features on his youtube channel. development would be very slow, but he would continue to show either mini 15 second videos or images, until 2021. when we finally got to see one of the 2 main levels in the update. he would continue showing more major sneak peeks on his channel from every 8 months to a year, along with more mini videos and images. the update was originally planned to release Christmas 2018, summer 2020, and late 2022. until finally in august 2023 we got a accurate release window.
@@Henke_YT also had Geometry Dash Subzero that released in 2017, it was basically a free demo which had some 2.2 features
The ending was a bit abrupt, and it would have been nice to have a tie back to the main thesis of the video, or maybe some kind of conclusion to it. However, it’s still definitely an enjoyable video, and overall, you did a great job! ❤
Thanks for the feedback, will tie it back at the end next time so it feels more satisfying
@@Henke_YTCool! No problem :)
this been blowing up in the gdyt discord by the way ty for making this
I'll pop in (Edit: thought you meant the official geometry dash discord not gdyt)
One way to see the success of geometry dash is to look at interest on youtube. Robtop has more subs than both Fortnite and Minecraft official channels while having uploaded like 30 videos in his decade on youtube.
That's unreal
The community really carried this game to a home run... there's a reason we've survived almist 7 years without an update... and keep in mind we were used to updates coming out after a few months... we really did something right to have it what it is today
Me and my mate used to play the hell out of The Impossible Game on Xbox Live Arcade and our phones. When I started seeing Geometry Dash related stuff in the last couple years, I always assumed it had been around longer than The Impossible Game, and we'd somehow played the imitation and slept on the original. Little did I know that what we had played was the original take on the concept after all! Now I can get back on my high horse and start looking down on Geometry Dash kids for not being OGs. Can't wait for this next phase of my life.
I lowkey got whiplash seeing your channel posting a GD video lol
I've watched your content since you were doing Mythsmashers! Crazy to see how far you've come.
Great video as always!!
Worth noting at 8:20, Clubstep although being the first official demon level was not the first demon level in the game. The demon difficulty was added in 1.3 after being inspired by a level called “Demon Park.”
I always thought the impossible game was geometry dash before the name was changed, I loved that shit
I love how Robtop can bring out so many new innovations on such a simple concept of a game, I'm even more impressed on how the impossible game was able to make its own charm that is not that similar from GD. It's a shame it didn't really pop off, but I'm guessing its because of the sudden big update that they made to the game and the fact that the impossible game has no dedicated community just like GD due to no consistent updates for the player.
Really shows the longevity of the game when I recall playing the game for the first time on my friend's iPod many year ago struggling to beat Stereo Madness before playing it myself on and off. The fact that new updates still actually deliver quality content that improves the game in a significant manner is a feat that most games that have reached the age that GD has can't meet.
Woah didn’t expect Henke to make a video about my favorite game
THERES A FUCKING GUN IN IMPOSSIBLE GAME 2!!
I don't understand how you don't mention the significance of Geometry Dash having a free version. I always chalked that up as Geometry Dash's main strength and the primary reason it overtook the Impossible Game. One of the primary demographics for both games was kids and teens, who generally don't have money to just throw at a mobile game. The impossible game was much less accessible for that reason.
Like, I remember my friend had The Impossible Game, and that was how I was introduced to it, but it wasn't something I could get or play, because buying it wasn't as much of an option, or just wasn't worth it. But then a couple years later, everyone else in school knew about and played Geometry Dash some, and I played it occasionally as well. Basically none of those people knew about The Impossible Game.
Games like this succeed by word of mouth. But word of mouth is significantly stifled by a paywall. Especially when there were so many other popular games like Angry Birds, Clash of Clans, Subway Surfers, etc. that were free to play, it just often didn't justify the risk to buy a game like The Impossible Game. By having a good free version, Geometry Dash was able to spread like wildfire by word of mouth, because there was little to no barrier to trying it out.
holy shit i watched your videos back in 2020 then i got into gd now i get this recommended to me i cant this is a blast from the past keep up the good work :)
Actual underrated video hope 2.2 comes out soon...
I actually remember playing the impossible game first, and I always saw gdash as a kind of ripoff, even when it got super popular. It came to the point where I completely forgot why I thought that way of gdash, until I saw this video!!! It wasn't just a weird memory after all!
Ive played The Impossible Game, but never even heard of Geometry Dash, lol
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Maybe you're a console gamer and not a mobile gamer.
fair enough xd
I Love how your making more content, not just fall guys content, this is really refreshing
This is my first time seeing you and is a great introduction to your channel as geometry dash is my favorite game.
NO WAY INSANE THE BEST FALL GUYS YT MADE A GD DOCUMENTARY HUHHH
edit: as someone with 2,668 hours in gd, this made me so happy xd
he knows a thing or two about knockoffs being more popular than the original
Lol thats cute, I have almost 6000 hours on steam alone.
Now that I think about it, that's pretty sad. But who cares! It's a good game 😂
@@trCore tbh i play on a gdps called vaixiteGDPS more than i do on the actual game lol
@@trCorelol that’s cute, I have 24,000,000,000,828,918,816,330,929 millennia on geometry dash
2.2 was announced in 2017 and had sneek peeks in 2018 but took 7 years to update but yeah
Great video, its just missing something. So many people I know came to Geometry Dash from the free games like GD Lite, GD Meltdown etc
I would have never guessed henke would release a gd related video
“No matter how good you are there is always a level where you will meet your match”
Zoink: “Allow me to introduce myself”
Me when ILL
Me when Codependence
Me when ballistic wistfully
me when the um the uhh um the uhhh whats that one level with the red background
Me when Ice Carbon Diablo X
The platformer concept is pretty simple and it's definitely possible that rob had taken this idea for himself. But I feel like the editor is really what sets GD apart from any other game
Trackmania and Super Mario Maker series: _exist_
awesome video!
Now fluke games made a sequel featuring new mechanics and bosses did years ago. But in the second world in the second level called breathe.They added a jetpack that had limited fuel which robtop probably copied for the 2.2 update
They Really pulled a minecraft.
bro actually called twitter X 💀
I actually played this game (the impossible game) back in the day on my channel, beat the game on stream and never touched it again after that. Currently the only video i have left of it is from 2011 of me struggling to beat it. Techno kitty adventures personally was my favorite from this genre.
Oh god, this brings back memories of when i found gd 2 months after release cuz my entire class had become addicted and i did too 😅 been playing ever since (with some breaks due to complications)
Interesting. I thought The Impossible Game was created by Robtop himself. Was this a rumor? Or did Robtop help develop The Impossible Game?
My only criticism is that some context seems to be missing from this video, but other than that, this is a great video!
I believe that's a rumor. If you have more context we would be happy to hear it!
RobTop had no development in The Impossible Game.
he did not, robtop games and fluke games are a different developer, rob was inspired(?) to make geometry dash
Glad it’s covered that this game ripped off the superior The Impossible Game. Loved that game to death.
I feel like the impossible game walked so that geometry dash could fly
at its core yes, gd takes a lot from the impossible game. but at this point its hard to call geometry dash an “impossible game ripoff” when you see the works of art people are creating in the level editor today. that is the main reason why the game is still so popular. i will give a list of levels for you to check out:
White Space by Xender Game
Bismarck by Inex
Yoquiero by Vrymer
Dustmuncher by Loltad
hope these levels give you an understanding of where this game is at now! as for the impossible game i think it was a great game for its time, but the gd editor is definitely more enabling for creators to make really cool levels
@@TheNormalLyan it even had like 6-7 levels when it was finished.
i feel like each game is for different audiences. if you like the more older 90's idea of a challenging game, you would probably like the impossible game more. if you're looking for a more hardcore longtime experience, you would play Geometry Dash.
I THOUGHT I WAS CRAZY!!! I remember the Impossible Game from the Xbox LIVE Arcade back when it was my main gaming machine in the early 10's! When I first heard of Geometry Dash, I always thought of it in comparison to TIG. Glad to see I wasn't alone!
Amazing video ^^
one of the many examples of when the copy is better than the original.
I got an ad for geometry dash right in the middle of this video 😂😂
Lol
Probably a scam Robtop doesn't run ads for gd
man. this gives me nostalgia cause i used to play the impossible game AND geometry dash. trust me. i had those apps before..
FIRE IN THE HOLE🔥🔥🔥🔥
2.2 is gonna revolutionize
"2.2 is REVOLUTION!!!" - Viprin
WHEN IS 2.2 OUT ITS LITERALY DECEMBER
lol it's funny to search the update to find that it just out today
Yes
@@macreator9497 bro
I remember watching gameplay of "The Impossible Game" a long time ago when i was like a kid or something, then seeing geometry dash pop up and eventually become really popular, and going "wait, wasn't that a different game before"
Yoo henke thanks a lot for covering geometry dash! Very appreciated🙏😄
Henke is cool because Henke cool when the cool Henke cool when he Henke ❤
I'm had a stroke reading this but I agree
They had geometry dash 1.0 on the school iPads. call me an OG.
Nice video:)
5:55
Purple pads and rings killed me, its pink pads and orbs
When playing geometry dash your either incredibly relaxed or raging crazily.
I've never played geometry dash (idk why this video was recommended to me lol) and I didn't even realize that the impossible game was a different game. All I remembered about the impossible game was 'that game with the cube and spikes' and then I saw geometry dash and just thought it must be the same thing after more development and updates.
Glad this video got the attention of someone who didn't play GD
A lot of people, *ESPECIALLY* the outsiders, underestimate the sheer unlimited power of Geometry Dash's level editor as a creative tool. You can make your own themed short game like creations within it, and that was the case even *BEFORE* the release of update 2.2! A lot of the best online levels you can play feel like adventures of their own, and there are skilled technical people who did platformer levels before platformer mode ever became a thing!
I had no idea that Geometry Dash pulled an Oreo. Fascinating video!
1:07 Dislike because you referred to Twitter by the name "X"
Maybe because that’s what it’s literally called now? 😂
@@azed4173 but it's Twitter
@@azed4173 But he's supposed to refer to it as Twitter!!!! Not X!!!!!!
@@azed4173 It is offically called Twitter and not X!!!!!!
The name of the company is ROBtop so obviously it copies games
It's not even a company it's 1 person
Robtop GAMES is the company name I think@@daothitranhuyen
Fluke is a man of dignity because any other developer would have taken this to court INSTANTLY 💀
This video looks like a professional gd video. And its made by a non-GD player. Impressive.
I am going to say something, keep doing this content and you'll be a really good GD youtuber!!.
The amount of foreshadowing at 3:50
Rob promised new features like "Versus" and "Event" for his next update, had us waiting 6 years for an incomplete update that dropped last month 💀
Very interesting!
Just like it happens in music genres, it's not who makes it first but rather, who makes it better
I first played The Impossible Game after finding it on DING - which has totally never been called anything else! 😅
the thing bout the yearly interest rising, somehow, i once a year go back to it, it is strange asf
the first time i had contact with gd was while looking at copies of the impossible game in play store, i wonder what would have happened if TIG never existed...
i remember finding out about geometry dahs when pewdiepie made a video playing it... i was 10-12 back then now im 22...
nice to see gd content from you
I played the fuck out of The Impossible Game in 2011.
I played it a little when the level editor came out.
2 years after it was announced and this is the first I've heard of its sequel.
shoulda talked about the music of geometry dash vs the impossible game 2. im sure music had a massive influence... like, massive.
As a fall guys player and geometry dash demon player, I’m very happy that you made a geometry dash video
man i didn't even know there was an impossible game 2, admittedly it was a game i watched on youtube instead of playing but none of the channels i followed for GD content even mention it let alone posted a playthrough when the first game had so damn many.