How Minecraft Surpassed the Game it Copied
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ธ.ค. 2023
- From a clone to the world's most popular game.
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Main Menu - Wii Party
Wake Up Get Up Get Out There - Persona 5
Nightmare to Revive - Trails Into Reverie
Crossover - Persona 5 Scramble
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Warriors in the Throes of Ambition - Disagea 7
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Early 2010 games be like:
The Impssible Game > Geometry Dash
Infiniminer > Minecraft
Crush the Castle > Angry Birds
the fact that GD and minecraft are both from swedish developers makes it even better
@@hat_cbw6972 and the developers listed here are european (scandinavian?)
I was thinking about crush the castle and couldn't remember what it was called and it's crazy I haven't thought about it in like 10 or more years until today and I saw your comment the same day
crush the castle is better frfr
Backyard Monsters > Clash of Clans
Although we now know notch didn’t technically invent this sort of game, we know he was the man with the vision. The person to expand it to what we all wanted and its full potential.
I just want to make sure ceos and developers stay humble, because they themselves are just a one piece of the puzzle for creation and are taking inspiration and concepts from other's people's work they definetly couldn't do.
@@tomizatko3138 agreed.
Yeah. He definitely gets credit for actually putting the pieces together.
ok but markus as a person is not ok tho. he's off the deep end.
@@Henke_YT also you know he joined a cult right?
This is how stuff is. Someone comes out with an idea or game. Then someone takes that idea(Which is perfectly ok) and builds on that idea. Nothing wrong with it and it shouldnt be demonized
it is wrong, it just luckly that the founder of infiniminer doesnt sue mojang
@@YusufZetro no you can't copyright and idea. By that logic. Every mmo that has come.after the first should be sued
Do you work for Disney or something
@@aaroo9554No, he just has something called common sense.
@@Omnivoid22he actually could have trademarked it and then he and then they wouldn't have been able to use it
A few things worth mentioning:
- Minecraft wasn't Notch's first crack at this game. He collabed on a game called Wurm Online, which is awful and nobody should ever touch, but was also a sandbox. He drew a lot of inspiration from it. Wurm is the reason Minecraft doesn't come with a ton of RPG systems. He's done that already. Even levels for enchanting came much later.
- Early access was still novel at this time. The level of excitement people got out of feeling like they were early contributors led to a ton of word of mouth.
- Notch farted around in IRC a lot. (Think Discord for old people.) It was really easy to get his attention and talk ideas at first.
- It cannot be understated how big modding was for both developers. Zach pulled back from it and Notch saw that. Neither of them were big fans of the idea. Notch used to have a post on his (now removed) blog where he mused about challenging mods legally. Players' obstinate push to enhance the experience helped cement Minecraft as a malleable playground for ideas.
Source: me.
had a lot of people from IRC tell me to try WURM back in say 2012 or so, wasnt sure what to think. I didnt like it as much as minecraft but I didnt think it was horrible per se
@@Esirre It asks a lot of time in exchange for false depth. It looks really involved, but the available content falls off a cliff very suddenly. After Notch left the project, the other guy (Rolf) sat on his hands making empty promises for half a decade. The glacial development and slightly faster gameplay makes people argue in the forums. It's a miserable game.
"IRC is Discord for old people"
>me being 32, having gone to IRCs when I was 9 back in 2000... Uh, thanks.
... IRC didn't get to be *that* developed. I never used a search feature there to look for conversations I had.
@@101VoltsI'm sorry, friend. You have the old. It's terminal.
You could actually search IRC. The clients held all the conversations usually, so you'd have to either be there with a client that could be searched, or ask a bot. mIRC was pretty slick tech at one point.
Minecraft may be a clone of Infiniminer, but Mojang did the idea WAY better tbh.
Is it okay to let you know Notch started It as an indie game. But later mojang took over the game then Microsoft
@@High-CloudMojang was founded by Notch, later bought by Microsoft.
Yeah I know. But I forgot the word.
NOTCH did it, Mojang barely did shitt
@@AlexanderJH Back in the day Notch and Jeb were the true main devs, sometimes Dinnerbone added something major.
Can you make a series on the opposite effect? Games that copies weren’t able to capture the success of the original?
Maybe something like PVZ where there are many clones. But the original is still the best.
I’ll see if there’s any interesting cases of this
DONT
ah... another idiot that does not know the difference between inspiration and copying.
@@hiranpeiris877 DO IT WOULD BE SO COOL
"His tweets become more controversial"
*shows a tweet saying it's okay to be white*
Fr tho.
while taken at face value "it's okay to be white" seems very reasonable and easily agreed upon, since its okay to be any ethnicity, that phrase is often used by those with malicious intentions to provoke racial tensions or as part of campaigns that aim to undermine social justice movements.
Its unsure what notch meant by tweeting it, but this is why its seen as controversial.
@@HarpanW its because at that time when he tweeted it there was a lot of racism against whites
@@HarpanW No. It isn't. It's never used for any reason except to say "It's okay to be white". The only reason it's controversial is because the racists who believe it isn't okay to be white get offended and pretend people are saying something other than 'it's okay to be white'. What did he mean by tweeting that? He meant 'it is perfectly alright to have light skin'
Yea this one gonna blow up buddy. TH-cam LOVES Minecraft, u hit the gold mine lol
Haha we'll see
Loved the editing! Awesome info 🔥
Make it too
I loved this video! I never expected it from you, but I loved it!
Great video dude, gave some history i never really knew about i game i love dearly! Impressive deepdive
Thank you very much
I love you Henke! Been following ever since your first video!
You're a real one
its not really a clone, it's pretty different and honestly way more fun. Infiniminer didn't make money because minecraft was a better game and had better advertising. That's it.
Wasn’t it free?
was
Well basically notch found empty markets that people want to buy it
Clones can turn into their own thing. It started as a clone and became its own thing. Infiniminer, a free game, was already dead when Minecraft started becoming its own thing, so yeah, it's no surprise it didn't make money.
In addition to its inspiration from Infiniminer, Minecraft took a lot of inspiration from old procedurally generated dungeon crawlers and survival games too. I doubt Minecraft would've gotten any bit as successful as it got if it was JUST about building, because at the time there were already PLENTY of games out where you could build stuff and blow stuff up.
I'd like to point out something, which is that at 1:45 you said that source code leaking is a game developer's "worst nightmare", which isn't always true. In fact, some developers (less so with games but there are still some examples of this) purposely post their code online, where people can point out bugs and help add features, or even submit code themselves of which the creator can verify and add to the code base. Of course, to some people it can be seen as bad, but my point is that that's not everyone.
Right, when they release their code as open-source it's not as bad because they've tightened up its security and made it more difficult to misuse.
@@Henke_YT 👍Beside that, good video. Just wanted to point out that one thing.
There is a difference between a source code leak, and the developer posting the code intentionally.
Just enjoy the video instead writing another essay for you to make video about it goddamn it
> source code leaking is a game developer's "worst nightmare"
> developer intentionally posting source code ≠ leak
How the Hell is anything Notch said in those 3 tweets "controversial"?
Bias and stuff
It's bad to be white didn't you know. No controversy whatsoever 😅
We live in a world where saying "it's ok to be white" is frowned upon for some reason
@anastasisparastatidis5479 It's not like that. That particular tweet was considered offensive because it was posted during the surge of the "black lives matter" movement and Notch took it as a personal offense, as if the message implied that black lives mattered more than white lives, which is absurd since it only implied that, well, black lives matter as much as other lives. It was never meant to be interpreted as if being white is wrong.
@@anastasisparastatidis5479because it's a mindless phrase used by racists.
They delude themselves into thinking that society tells them it's wrong to be white, and use this phrase as a "response" to that.
This documentary id extremely well put and made!
Let’s go we love Henke!
The amount of clickbait is massive.
You deserve more subscribers!
Thank you, I expect more coming in soon
Sick vid man. Never knew about any of this
I found you from your Fall Guys content, keep up the good work!
Glad you're sticking around
Pretty nice channel and video, Henke!
I am going to sub
Amazing video bro i never knew any of this 😮
Thank you!
Thank you for this video. I don't know why, it's just so nice to see a video talking about the controversies of these two games without censoring a lot of things for monetization.
Zach's story is really great. I didn't even know he made infinifactory, so I was glad to see a game him and his team made that was really successful. It really shows how dedicated he was to game dev, and how even though he went through trials and tribulations, he made it out on top! Great vid!
great video!
Give this man a channel logo.
this is defo blowing up bro i just got this recommended
these were such good time, looking back at a ten year old version of myself playing Minecraft beta from a friends house in early 2011
Good video!
Ur pfp is so good
wait... i geniuenly didn't know spacechem was from the guy that made infiniminer! i have played spacechem before! i am surprised!
anyway, good video and very informative!
Bro the second i heard that wii party music in the beginning i was immediately interested in this video
9:21 I didn't know saying, "It's ok to be white" was controversial.
Infiniminer walked so Minecraft could run, or something idk. I saw a quote like this just a few days ago
nice info, nice channel, nice
They didn't do the idea better they TOOK the idea. Also, he probably quit because every idea was from the community and not his own. The community made the game then as they are now. He can't make a game, he just follows orders, just like the rest of mojang.
With this in mind, I don't consider anybody in mojang creative or actual devs.
This to me is why I love things like modding communities and such. Even though Minecraft was way more than a mod, and that's even more true today, just the sheer fact that someone took a game, and completely flipped it on it's head to the point where it was something completely new is so cool to me. It's unfortunate Infiniminer had to go down the way it did though, cause it looked and sounded like a game I'd have a blast playing with my friend til' this day!
Awesome analysis as usual brother!
Wow, what a rollercoaster of a story! It's crazy to think about how one idea can snowball into something as massive as Minecraft, but also how it can affect the original creator. Zach's journey is a testament to the importance of staying true to your vision while also being open to feedback and adaptation. And Notch's story shows the power of seizing an opportunity and running with it. Both faced challenges, but it's inspiring to see how they each navigated their own paths. Ultimately, it's not just about the success or the money, but about finding fulfillment and staying true to yourself. Mad respect to both of them for staying in the game, no pun intended!
wow, this is very interesting, Ive never heard of Infiniminer, or even zach ;-;
As someone who loves open source, I need to clarify something. You cannot directly edit the code unless the owner authorizes it. But... you can fork it and make your own custom version. Also, open source programs can work on any platform, and it also ensures the program is safe, because the users would be able to see the code, thus they could see if it is fishy code.
I’m literally watching this while afking in a mob farm in Minecraft
HAPPY NEW YEAR
I was just gonna say "oh that also happened to geometry dash, now do a video on it" And then I realised you already made a video about geometry dash being a clone of impossible game.
Now I want to replay SpaceChem !
Why did you put “it’s ok to be white” as a controversial tweet. How exactly is that controversial?
Because it is? Whether or not it’s right is irrelevant. It’s still controversial. If I said slavery was wrong back in the 1800s, that would have been controversial. Let’s not start with the whining.
@@T.Gundhamtypical american. instead of providing a good reason for your statement you instead come up with insults as an excuse for not having a good reason. maybe because there isnt one? for it to be controversial it would imply being white is not ok which, with 87% of the population being white, im not really able to fathom why it would be a bad thing. as if it ever was. and its funny that no one ever thought it was before social media became popular. maybe social media just influences those who are easily impressionable such as you
Infiminer was much more of a inspiration for Minecraft, infiminer wasn’t even the first game to use the block building mechanics those have been around forever, Minecraft even the classic versions were way different, and when Minecraft was officially released basically the only thing the games had in common was the block mechanics.
That's why i love to stay in the background and being a "under dog", getting too much attention always messed me up
When a game is copied, it means that the original game is still running at the date it was copied. Minecraft was like an unofficial sequel of infiniminer. The game got abandoned and Notch remade it in his own style. he didn't give up
Cope 2:20
I've just realised your the same guy who done the fall guys social distancing challenge
So all along we were just playing a knock off infiniminer with a bunch of textures and mods, btw nice video
Except that the clone became it's own thing over time and had been a hit worldwide and made money doing so. That's what Minecraft achieved in the past decade.
you forgot to mention notch worked on a survival game called wurm prior to this meaning he knew about the appeal of survival crafting games and had firsthand experience in making them
Infiniminer had very different gameplay. The game that minecraft, if you have to say it copied something, would be Dwarf Fortress, which is in fact what Notch said he "copied".
Originally Notch was going to copy InfiniMiner but he changed the direction of the game.
Minecraft starting off as a clone of Infiniminer, and then incorporating inspiration from Dwarf Fortress are not two mutually exclusive things though.
@@netherportals Nethack is just a copy of Rogue.
The Oreo Effect
Imagine if Zach started working in the Minecraft development team
It's not a copy really, Minecraft just take the style of the game, both games share nothing in common so in my opinion it's just taking inspiration
Mining.
How do you clean a huge 70 million mansion? At that point, it's like living in a hotel
wait but notch started work on minecraft a few days after infiniminer was released then
2:18 for all the people saying Minecraft isn't a clone. That's how Notch planned it first until he decided to grow the game.
Infiniminer was also a clone. It was a clone of Dwarf Fortress, Infinidrag, and even TF2
If something is a combination of three different things then by definition I'd say it was more of a hybrid than a clone.
Also, as far as games being based on Dwarf Fortress I think you might be thinking of Minecraft. Minecraft started out as a clone of Infiniminer but took inspiration from Dwarf Fortress and grew into being more than just a clone. The main inspirations for Infiniminer were TF2, Motherload, and of course Barth's previous game Infinifrag.
So you telling me, ALL THIS TIME, Minecraft isn't a game of its own?! The original was actually Infiniminer?! Crazy.
Can you tell us the story of survival craft? it's a clone of minecraft but a good one that is.
5:24 what was notch’s day job?
Minecraft is not a clone, it was called a clone by notch when he started out but it became something mush more. The dev of Infiniminer dropped the game anyway. Everything is a clone of everything, just altered. Geometry dash is like Minecraft, it is a "clone" but it became something much more.
Developers are always reusing and changing code to fit their games, Minecraft had a lot more than Infiniminer when Minecraft was first released and was not even close to being like Infiniminer. Thats like calling Wolfenstein 3D a clone of DOOM, or roblox a clone of Lego.
My point is, its a stretch to say that Minecraft is a clone of Infiniminer when Minecraft's gameplay was designed to be different. The title of this video paints Minecraft as some super secret pyramid scheme which is wrong. Even if it was a copy it is perfectly ok to take someone's crap game and turn it into something successful, especially if the dev doesn't care. Both Minecraft and Infiniminer's gameplay, style, and goals are not close enough to be copies.
Adding two or more idea's to make something better is not copying, this happens all the time. A copy is a thing made to be similar or identical to another (source: google), and by that, Minecraft is not a clone.
TL;DR: Minecraft is itself, and was built on multiple ideas and executed perfectly. @Henke just click baited us all, but thats just how TH-cam is...
The title technically isn't clickbait but more of exaggeration and maybe half-truths.
I don't think he said Minecraft -- especially modern Minecraft is anywhere close to a clone of Infiniminer. Just that Minecraft's success originated from an Infiniminer clone. It a clone, and has now turned into a cashcow and an international title.
@@basedcheese1Dude, thats the definition of clickbait 💀
This is just made as a ragebait to make views of one of most popular games in history
@@drunkcat545 I guess so. It worked really well.
@@basedcheese1 The video is far fairer then the People Make Games hackpiece that keeps up the tone of 'he copied the game and that’s terrible' for the whole video, and threw in some manipulative music for good measure. We know from the title that this video is going to be more of an exploration of how Minecraft completly transformed the formula.
taking inspiration from a game isn't copying it. The games are wildly different in game play. The only thing it copied were the voxels and mining. the gameplay however is WAY different.
It wasn't. Cave game was an Infiniminer clone. Unless you're referring to modern Minecraft.
@@basedcheese1 cave game was a simple 3d sandbox, thats it.
@@lukeofarizona Exactly, and it was an Infiniminer clone.
@@basedcheese1 have you played infiminer? cave game doesnt even look like it, let alone play like it. it was inspired by it
@@lukeofarizona Fair point. However, Notch said it himself.
1:46 as a game developer myself, i dont find leaked source code for my games that bad, infact, I was Planning for My games to be open source so people can make mods and forks etc. I Like To Make My Games as Open As Possible
Wow cool can there be a video about Gacha made by luni?
I remember when I first played it, I don't think there were any mobs.
How you know this from the past history’s?!
I googled it 😅
awesome
we... already knew. This has been fairly common knowledge for a while now.
you're pretentious
Press play and watch the video.
Speak for yourself i didnt know
Not all people knew it. Younger players could've been very young or not born yet when this happened and only know Minecraft.
Or some people who didn't get into games until after InfiniMiner got deleted.
@@ricerice9486 people under the age of 12 aren't real
You're telling me Microsoft bought Minecraft in 2014? I still remember the news videos like yesterday. I'm old!
honestly seems like a decent game
This is some top notch story arch
No pun intended
All Things Start by copying something else in this case infiniminer wasnt even being updated so notch expanded on the idea and made a SURVIVAL/SANDBOX game infiniminer was sandbox and compettitive.
That is true. But he did still clone Infiniminer, but quickly expanded it which was a damn good move from him.
Omg I bought space chem back in the day!
Actually notch might of been inspired by infiniminer
He cloned it
@@basedcheese1 idk as I remember he was inspired idk
@@ItZumboYT Yes, but he also cloned it.
@@basedcheese1 ok
Wow, I never knew Minecraft copied another game. Anyways, Keep up the good work Henke!
P.S: I loved your geometry dash video!
Thank you!
As a person in one of your fall guys videos can you please upload more videos
you written the title like Notch did something incredibly evil. Witch is not. Notch improved and changed the game he had "copied"
Played so much infiniminer at LAN parties, it was the shit.
Imagine a Minecraft server that has Infiniminer gameplay.
Overall, i really enjoyed the video! I liked this one much like the geometry dash one.
However, i do have some criticism to give once more (in a positive way of course).
From what ive noticed, you would talk about things like the different developers thoughts and feelings, but are those facts that they have shared themselves? Or are they just inferences that youve made up. This is just an example, but lets say you said zack was angry or jealous over minecraft and notches success, without there being proof of these feelings actually being real. Im sure there may have been something to confirm them, and some of it was shown throughout the video, however, when things were said, there were a few raised eyebrows from me.
You had made a number of claims regarding peoples feelings or thoughts, without really proving them, and made it seem as if youre either pulling it out of your butt, as if youre just saying it to make a good story, or it’s an educated guess based on random hints.
In short, regarding others thoughts or feelings, it’s best to provide direct proof or statements from those people expressing those feelings rather than little to nothing.
Also, i would like to note that you said the developer was getting reminded by friends or family, and you showed proof of that. But you didnt show that he was upset about it. Its like i told you that i had a bird in me hand, and used a feather poking out my finger as proof. In reality, i could just be holding a ball of feathers or smth.
Sorry for the dragged out expansion, i am just trying to make sure my point is understood. Thank you once more for the great video! Keep pumping em
Thanks for the feedback. I can assure you that the thoughts/feelings stuff is backed up by statements from them, but I agree that I could do a better job of citing the sources.
This man is the reverse fedora tipper
Notch may have "stolen" Infiniminer, but at least he acknowledge that he wanted to make a clone. There are some games out there that are complete ripoff and copies and don't give credit or say it's a clone of another game.
So Notch improved it and benefited from that? Cool
so is infiniminer still playable or?..
another day, another surpassed video.
I did not know that
I kinda feel sorry for Zack.
what about rubydung?
zach is herobrine
This is why saying someone "perfected" something should be a part of everyone's vocabulary. A lot of big innovations people remember are never the first. They're the "perfected" version.
Notch made it and was jaded, i dont think he had it in him to continue with new games.
Already knew
4:24 *sheep jumpscare*
Using an existing idea to make a game is perfectly fine as long as you're using it to create a unique game and not just a literal copy of the original game. It's not only games that copy existing ideas. Everything from cars to cellphones to computers are based on someone having an idea and others copying it. Imagine if only the person who had the car idea or his family was ever allowed to make a car. So yeah, ideas are fair game. Sometimes a good idea fails because of a bad implementation and then someone else makes a better implementation and get rich while the original person kicks themselves for not giving it their all.
most tech enterprises come about this way; at the very least its disrespectful not to credit its original author but it goes further to be detrimental to creators and concept as a whole. Unrecognized effort is painful but worse when somebody runs away with it and gets glorified.
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