Vader 4 Pro Review Tuesday, All thoughts in this video remain the same including the Vader 3 Pro recommendation at the end of the video. 4 is good though, it’s just not much different and a bit harder to get right now (longer wait).
I bought the Vader 3 Pro after watching your review. So I've been waiting for your Vader 4 Pro review. But is too late now, I just received it yesterday, and is absolutely awesome.
I've used an apex 4 for months now, the problems i get with it are the folowing: Their software is quite unreliable, sometimes you set bindings for simulating keyboard inputs, and then you change it on the controler back to a normal controler binding (you can have 4 presets) and it will output both the controler output and keyboard maping both at the same time. The range of the wireless dongle is very low, at 2-3 meters max, above this it gets disconected quite often I use it mostly for trackmania, and the thumbsticks are great. No deadzones needed at all after 4 months of use. Just these 2 problems that anoy me every time i run into them. The gyro is quite bad tbh too, like using a cheap mouse that jumps a bit when doing very small precise movements, but it is usable
The apex 4 is by far the best controller I've tried for PC. I tried the elite series 2 and dualsense edge. Both have higher input delays than the Apex 4 and that tension adjuster is a game changer.
@kenzilbaptiste2519 I prefer the scuff elite back paddle , they are perfect for me it would be a game changer for the apex 4 and really make it the best
Love my Apex 4, but can't wait to see how the Vader 4 holds up under your scrutiny. Especially at half the cost. With it's FlyDigi software looking like it's got the same customization as the Apex4, it might be a frontrunner. Especially if we can map the C/Z as much as the back buttons (like keyboard inputs on PC)
The screen is really what punches the Apex 4 in the nuts. It just makes the whole thing too complicated for its own good compared to the Vaders just letting you grip it and rip it. Between that and the stick modules/caps cracking and Flydigi's sadly endemic QC issues I don't think the price can be justified, especially when the Vader 4 Pro also offers a more accessible, if less fine-tuned tension control system. Wonder what the hell they'll do for the Apex 5. Maybe be complete madlads and bring back the third analog from the Apex 2? If there's one thing that's nice about Flydigi it's that they don't rest on their laurels. They don't just shit out random sidegrades like Gamesir or objectively inferior units like PDP.
I bought a Vader 3 pro off of your review/recommendation, I love everything about it but I don't really use the CZ buttons for anything. I ended up buying a second Vader 3 pro and I got both of mine on Amazon on sale for $55.
USPS blew it, was supposed to get my Vader 4 today... Showing up on Monday instead. Ah well. Seems like it'll be the real winner here: all the functionality of the Apex 4 and no screen, plus clicky triggers and the C/Z buttons. I'm also more partial to the black color way than the white Apex 4. Flydigi doesn't miss!
I want Steam Controller 2 (with those sticks n trigs), m4 and m5 buttons on top, and swipable, scrollabe, clickable, pressure sensitive trackpad bumpers!
Nice. I came to the same conclusion in my rant a few weeks ago, ha ha. Out of the few high priced controllers I own the Flydigi 4 is easily the most versatile and implements pretty much all the features of the other controllers mostly on par or even better, plus some additional features. Id like to see them implement proper trigger stops instead of the mechanical ones, slightly smaller D-pad and the ability to remap turbo functionality on the pad itself, similiar to the retroflag and M30 retro style controllers. Any other improvements would be very minor. Its gotten to the point that I use the controller on almost everything I play across multiple platforms, including old emulated games on PC (as well as more recent).
The plastic under your left joystick will most likely crack within the first 2 months rendering the controller useless. Many, many reports of this. Just returned mine. I also own the Vader 3 Pro. It is not as good as the Apex, but the left stick base doesn't crack. Otherwise it is the best I have used. But it's weak and breaks.
I’ve seen this too. On Reddit and Amazon reviews. In a game where you click down to sprint a lot (like CoD). Something to do with a part being made out of plastic not strong enough.
@@GamerHeavenOfficialCould this be linked to that Flydigi post about defective controllers caused by a faulty machine in their factory? I know ppl who have abused the hell out of their Apex 4, and it's still holding up really well.
do vader 4 pro , it just launched and everyone seems to like it . i think it has all the points you wish in the apex 4 such as easer to adjust sticks, no screen , faster to pair up ,and the C and Z button as well . Good Day
don't forget the Vader has real trigger locks! So i say Vader is better for FPS and fighting games (bc of CZ buttons)I got mine last weeks, and I am stunned. I have owned everything including Elite 2 and Scuf Envision pro. Vader has better sticks than either of them. Butter smooth and micro adjustable. Just wish Vader had m5 and m6 buttons up by the bumpers like the older Flydigis and the Razer controllers.
I think it would be cool to see some fighting game controller reviews for controllers like the Hori Fighting Commander series or the Razer Raion. Still looking for the ultimate fight pad but currently using the GameSir Kaleid as I love the mechanical buttons and the D-pad. Keep up the quality reviews.
Thank you! I ordered mine on the 11th of July and it should be arriving by the 24th of July. Not too shabby from China to Canadia. I paid $94 USD for it. The excite is exponential at this point. (My Scuf Instinct Pro was awesome but one of the back buttons has snapped off and the right stick has the dreaded stick drift - no more POTS for this gamer) Anyhoo, thank you AGAIN for giving us your honest info...
@@ry0usama511 Do you mean the Honkai: Star Rail Firefly Limited Edition? I really love the colour way on that one. I think I would do the Assassin's Creed colour way myself.
I love that this option is available. Definitely competitive and I think they did well. I hate that they failed on the back buttons. It knocks the ergonomics (maybe even the entire controller) down like 20% and almost defeats the purpose of having them. I feel like the envision mitigated having this syle of back buttons by bringing the buttons closer together and implementing the sax buttons. Also, the triggers "locks", eh. Mechanical buttons + rubber or silicone = fail but maybe someone can do this without making it feel like a plunger someday. gg's tho
I ordered the Assassin’s Creed Apex 4 from overseas when it was released - if you get the opportunity to pick one up I’d say go for it. It’s just beautiful.
It would be cool if you did an updated ps5 controller roundup, specifically modded ps5 controllers because 3rd party don't get haptics or adaptive triggers.
This video is actually incredibly accurate… Guys it’s true… this controller literally has everything on top of amazing hall effect thumb sticks. I was about to lose hope on these Chinese controllers to be quite frank because they all lacked one thing or the other or were a complete lie, but this controller really has proven them all wrong… Not only has it done that but it’s remained very consistent as well as I have had it literally since day one and I’ve had no problems
The Apex 4 feels pretty responsive and smooth when aiming on FPS games. Idk know if it is because of the 1000hz polling rate, but the aim assist in game seems to feel lessened. Like not as sticky. Well from what I experienced in Xdefiant and Battlefield.
the haptic feedback and screen are a gimmick on the Apex 4. And it not having the same trigger locks as the Vader 3 and 4 is a deal breaker for me. I'm surprised by your conclusion ngl
@@GamerHeavenOfficial You said yourself in THIS video that you don't even like the screen and it should be ditched, but when I call it a gimmick you get defensive? Odd.
i have my apex 4 for almost 7 months now, it is indeed a great controller, but just a tip for those who wanna go for it, the RGB is absolutely garbage, which for me is a big point since in to customization, and no rewasd support so far, so there is that
I have been using this controller for 3 days and already doing better on warzone compared to the g7se, mostly going from 2 buttons to 4 buttons have made me a better player but dude my favorite thing in the controller is the trigger lock feature. I have mine set to 20 the lowest and at first I was pressing to hard during gun fights but now on day three I’m so used to it.
3:32 made me laugh so hard. I've been saying the name just like you've said in the video man and I thought my mind was weird to think like that. hahahhaha thank you for showing I'm not the only one.
Bought my Apex 4 and just now the Assassin's Creed edition Vader 4 Pro, AliExpressed it dude, although I am in Australia usually a week and a half shipping. Closer to China I guess..Love the Apex 4, think the on the fly tension change for the joysticks and trigger locks on the Vader 4 Pro will be awesome.
my biggest gripe on this controller is the joysticks. They always break!!! Im on my 4th controller and i cant stir away from this controller even though it has this issue. If they can fix this problems this would be my most favorite controller ....
great video , what do you think of the apex 4 black myth wukong limited edition ? looks amazing and you can adjust joystick tension without removing anything .
this controller is so good when people ask in my gaming groups what controller they should get and I say apex 4 and I get comments saying I'm buying cheap Chinese stuff and too poor for a elite controller......yeah stick with your overpriced drift coming soon controller. To the few guys the heart or like my comment your the real ones.
Does the Xbox Series not give an error saying "A connected accessory is not authorized" with the Wingman XB you have in your description? Is there a better adapter that works?
Kevin, thanks again for all your research and reviews. I decided a couple of weeks ago to pull the trigger on the Apex 4. After setting up the software and updating to the latest firmware, I decided to test both the polling and circularity. While I was blown away by the polling, for some odd reason most controllers that I have bought based on your feedback, I never get a zero circularity test like you do. They are mostly in the 5% to 10% range. Is that a normal range or should I send it back for on that will test at 0%?
Vader 3 pro I really enjoyed but for some reason my in game camera would jolt around a couple times per game session as if it was short circuiting or something. Returned for an Apex 4 and have not looked back man this thing is an absolute monster across the board.
Thanks AK! Love these videos. You've saved me tons of time when selecting pro controllers. I run the Victrix Pro on my PS5, Elite Series 2 on XBox and looking for a 3rd to use with my pc which I use the other 2 with but want to add one more. Trying not to tire those other ones out too quickly. I have a quick question though. Is the only way to achieve the sniper stick heighth on the Vader or Apex by means of Kontrol Freak cap or can I swap the sticks out? Right now I'm diggin a short domed left stick and tall concave right stick. Thanks dude!
I much prefer the vader 3 over the apex 4..the apex 4 feels so heavy. The vader 3 sits perfectly inbetween being to light and too heavy..i find the spring like feel and sound on the thumbsticks annoying on the apex 4 and lastly the true trigger stops on vader 4 are amazing. Literally the same as a mouse click
The Vader 4 is $80 compared to the $160 of the Apex 4 “I got it for $130 on Prime Day”. Vader 4 pro also has the 2 extra buttons on the front of the controller and a better system to adjust the stick tension. Why is the Apex 4 so much more expensive? Is it because the interactive screen? It’s by far the most premium feeling controller I’ve ever had though. Was debating selling this and getting Vader 4 pro for cheaper once it’s on Amazon.
Hi bro,✌️I have a question, do you know a way to change profiles faster? like apex 3. to avoid going to the menu all the time and changing profiles??🤔🤙
I need an Xbox/PC controller that has the hall effect for joysticks and the share button. Which one would you recommend? >>PS: the controller needs to be wireless, have 4 paddle controls with the remapping ability, and a share button like Xbox Controllers.
@@victororozcojulio121 thanks for the reply. forgot to mention that the controller needs to be wireless. the controller also needs to have 4 paddles in the back that can be remapped.
I was thinking of buying this controller. I play Tekken 8 a lot and seeing that it has membrane rubber used in the dpad might not be good for fighting games. Any recommendation for fighting games with mechanical switch and hall effect thumb stick?
I’m probably not the best to ask. 1. I don’t play many fighting games 2. I don’t use the dpad much 3. Tekken is fuggin’ awesome! Just had to put that in there lol
I'm not a great Tekken player, I mainly use my Vader 3 Pro for Street Fighter 6 but... the Flydigi mechanical d-pad is EXCELLENT for fighting games. I fully recommend the Vader and Apex controller d-pads for fighting games. Also the Flydigi d-pad is mechanical. It is by far the most accurate d-pad I've ever used for Street Fighter 6, better than the 8bitdo d-pads.
Funny enough, this is the video I’ve been looking for the past few days. Whether I choose the Apex 4 or one of the Vader 3/4 pro controllers. What adapters/ converters do you guys recommend for connecting to my Xbox X. Please help!
does the adjustable stick tension fix the loose recentering spring that people claim hall effect sticks have? also I wanted to ask what do you think is the best style of back buttons/paddles and the best layout for them?
New mechanism solves this problem completely. Unless you choose to play with the lowest tension, from my experience centering will be perfect. But even with tension set to lowest it is very good.
I think I prefer the back buttons on the apex 4 over all elite controllers personally. It feels much more natural than resting my fingers on the protrusions that are multiple back paddles. The buttons on the apex 4 are set in a way that your middle finger will naturally rest perfectly in the center of the two pairs of buttons. 2 buttons on the left half and 2 more on the right half. You'll naturally find yourself resting in the center of each pair making it still feel like a normal controller making it more ergonomic.
How do you connect to your Xbox X with this controller...what converter adapter do you have to use because I'm really interested...or is the GameSir G7 SE good enough....had really bad luck with my Elite series 2 controller...really want a good wireless controller....
Was about to ask the exact same thing. He has an adapter in the description but it says it works for Xbox 360 and original Xbox. Doesn't mention Xbox One or Series.
I use the mayflower magic X adaptor, on the apex 3 and 4 controllers, with the xbox series s & x..once the controller is connected to the adaptor thru the wireless dongle or wired, I turn the controller to the Nintendo switch mode, it's read and I turn the controller back to pc mode and it's ready to go.
Hey buddy. I use the brook accessories xb2 linked in the description but I’m making a big comparison video of all the makes and models real real soon with pairing tutorials
Do you have a favorite controller purely based on thumb stick feel, and do you prefer the feel of analog potentiometers or Hall effect? I like the feeling of a tension/centering spring & I’m not sure if hall effect feels the same…. That would definitely be the deciding factor of if I switch to Hall effect or stay with an analog potentiometer
God damn brother (sorry to take the lords name in vein) I could (and should) make a video on this but: -edge -vader/apex4 -mmmm can’t think of a last one lol
@@GamerHeavenOfficial now that I’m hearing about more of the PS5 controller features… they’re starting to sound less gimmicky…. Guess I didn’t wanna hear about it cause I’m on Xbox 😅
i would buy the controller if it werent for those face buttons. why do they stick out SO FAR??? i want them much closer to the faceplate so i can rapidly slide my thumb between them
Lmao your video pushed me to get this roller when i already have a instinct pro but i have to send it in because my trigger mainly will randimly go off.
I think what really ruins this controller for me is where the back buttons are and connectivity options. If they could just have those fixed I'd buy it.
Idk man, I much prefer the buttons on the apex 4 over paddles on a kk3 or Xbox elite. They're lowkey and to me they're placed in the perfect spot. My middle fingers naturally rest perfectly in the center of the 2 buttons on each side.
Hey I watch you for great controller information, could you possibly do a setting video for the apex 4 like how to set the trigger stops and what each setting.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial watching your most recent video, it is safe to say I was and still am right, even you prefer the vader 4 pro lol, Apex 4 is just not more than double the price for less controller
Are you getting/reviewing the new Apex 4 Wukong Edition as well? It has a better build quality and 2000hz polling rate (wired and wireless) with a new NearLink dongle!
I like racing Sims but I don't have the money for a good steering/pedal system. Does anyone know of a controller with stiff triggers? I'd like more resistance than normal so I can turn TCS off completely 😅
I have an Apex 4, and I love it. But my vibration in game is weak for some reason. I've confirmed that the vibration is set to max and it works when I test it in the app. It also works in game, but it's never nearly as strong as it is in the app. Playing racing games is trickier because it's hard to feel when the tires are breaking loose. It's too subtle. Any suggestions?
For some context. My plain Jane xbox series x controller is stronger in these games and doesn't give me the same issue. It's the only thing I wish I could change.
I just ordered this and ordered the longer thumbsticks 10mm. I had the kingkong and kingkong 3 max. The trigger broke on the kk3 max. I didn't like awful back metal buttons. That shit didn't really fit. Only the bottom two back buttons with the short metal fittings were okay. I really like the 1000hz polling rate on the new kk3. The movement were more precise and not jerky.
I've heard that the Brook will soon be useless on Xbox thanks to an update Microsoft is gonna release for their Xbox consoles. The Mayflash Magic-X is a safer option.
I'm currently on an Android Tablet, my Alienware laptops out for the count, little splash of water, she down. so need a comprehensive video on using the Flydigi Game Center app, seems has great potential on the mapping side but very skint on how tos out there. Any advise links etc. all welcome. I'm on PUBG Mobile when I hop in a vehicle how to map the differences.
I'ma just add that I have the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra.. I heard A LOT of complaints so added on a $60 Bester Buyer warranty.. Best controller I've ever used. No disconnects wired or wireless, trigger stops actually work in every game unlike other controllers. I drop 30 extra kills than before with other controllers. Thumbsticks soooo accurate. Best purchase ever.
Absolutely, I’ve been using the stealth ultra the last 6 months and it has become my overall favorite controllers I’ve ever used. The stealth ultra is on a whole nother level definitely worth the price. Best Pro controller on the market
I want this controller for my series X but having to use the wingman xb3 knowing that Xbox will block it (eventually) doesn't seem worth it. building a PC down the road, at that point then I'll get it for that
I just don't know if I can get behind those back buttons. Tempted to snag it on amzn when it goes on sale and just return it if I don't like them. Also, wish it came in a dark version too. I just don't like white-ish things, but that's not a deal breaker.
You might be eligible for a free replacement, since Flydigi did admit that they had a faulty machine in their factory, which means that Apex 4 controllers produced between a certain time frame will develop these issues.
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Vader 4 Pro Review Tuesday, All thoughts in this video remain the same including the Vader 3 Pro recommendation at the end of the video. 4 is good though, it’s just not much different and a bit harder to get right now (longer wait).
Very cool. Vader 3 Pro has been my main.
Really wish I could have gotten a Vader 3 pro without stick slop. I'll try again on the Vader 4 pro.
@@Ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Stick slop? What is that?
I already have an apex 4 but since the vader is only $60 on aliexpress why not, I wanna see how good the triggers are and the new joysticks
@@feintexp-2530real what's that mean, on my apex it has a grinding feel in certain directions. I think I just need to lube the bearings but 🤷♂️
For anyone wondering - Vader 4 Pro is one of the best controllers out there. Really good controller overall.
If you play shooters Vader 4 pro, if you play something else Apex 4
I bought the Vader 3 Pro after watching your review. So I've been waiting for your Vader 4 Pro review. But is too late now, I just received it yesterday, and is absolutely awesome.
Hope you enjoy it!
@@GamerHeavenOfficial thank you Stallion
I've used an apex 4 for months now, the problems i get with it are the folowing:
Their software is quite unreliable, sometimes you set bindings for simulating keyboard inputs, and then you change it on the controler back to a normal controler binding (you can have 4 presets) and it will output both the controler output and keyboard maping both at the same time.
The range of the wireless dongle is very low, at 2-3 meters max, above this it gets disconected quite often
I use it mostly for trackmania, and the thumbsticks are great. No deadzones needed at all after 4 months of use. Just these 2 problems that anoy me every time i run into them.
The gyro is quite bad tbh too, like using a cheap mouse that jumps a bit when doing very small precise movements, but it is usable
The apex 4 is by far the best controller I've tried for PC. I tried the elite series 2 and dualsense edge. Both have higher input delays than the Apex 4 and that tension adjuster is a game changer.
Flydigi has been crushing it, except for them back buttons. They hurt my stallion soul.
Once they make it like Elite 2 controller paddles ,it will be absolutely the best controller in the world.
@@Daniel-uh1ve😂....the elite paddles are not the best ..😅
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 The best for me are Victrix PRO BFG back buttons, the best thing i ever used in my life.
For me it's the triggers. Too squishy. Back buttons are good...not as good as Victrix but feel good once you get used to it
@kenzilbaptiste2519 I prefer the scuff elite back paddle , they are perfect for me it would be a game changer for the apex 4 and really make it the best
I have the flydigy Vader 3 pro since a year ago and still been my best controller ever
Will keep this in mind if my gulikit 2 ever goes out
I love this controller ii when from pplaying at a 7/7 & 15/15 to now a 20/20 on COD and any other FPS game
Holy shit that’s a high sense 💨
Love my Apex 4, but can't wait to see how the Vader 4 holds up under your scrutiny.
Especially at half the cost.
With it's FlyDigi software looking like it's got the same customization as the Apex4, it might be a frontrunner. Especially if we can map the C/Z as much as the back buttons (like keyboard inputs on PC)
The screen is really what punches the Apex 4 in the nuts. It just makes the whole thing too complicated for its own good compared to the Vaders just letting you grip it and rip it. Between that and the stick modules/caps cracking and Flydigi's sadly endemic QC issues I don't think the price can be justified, especially when the Vader 4 Pro also offers a more accessible, if less fine-tuned tension control system. Wonder what the hell they'll do for the Apex 5. Maybe be complete madlads and bring back the third analog from the Apex 2? If there's one thing that's nice about Flydigi it's that they don't rest on their laurels. They don't just shit out random sidegrades like Gamesir or objectively inferior units like PDP.
I bought a Vader 3 pro off of your review/recommendation, I love everything about it but I don't really use the CZ buttons for anything. I ended up buying a second Vader 3 pro and I got both of mine on Amazon on sale for $55.
USPS blew it, was supposed to get my Vader 4 today... Showing up on Monday instead. Ah well. Seems like it'll be the real winner here: all the functionality of the Apex 4 and no screen, plus clicky triggers and the C/Z buttons. I'm also more partial to the black color way than the white Apex 4. Flydigi doesn't miss!
Brother I feel your pain. I had 2 separate delays waiting for my vader4, and I wasn’t even sure which place I ordered from would arrive first.
love my apex 4, I just wish steam input supported it
I want Steam Controller 2 (with those sticks n trigs), m4 and m5 buttons on top, and swipable, scrollabe, clickable, pressure sensitive trackpad bumpers!
bumper idea is kinda sick
I'm sure you haven't heard this already but we'd love a Vader 4 Pro review. I got one on Ali yesterday.
Nice. I came to the same conclusion in my rant a few weeks ago, ha ha. Out of the few high priced controllers I own the Flydigi 4 is easily the most versatile and implements pretty much all the features of the other controllers mostly on par or even better, plus some additional features. Id like to see them implement proper trigger stops instead of the mechanical ones, slightly smaller D-pad and the ability to remap turbo functionality on the pad itself, similiar to the retroflag and M30 retro style controllers. Any other improvements would be very minor. Its gotten to the point that I use the controller on almost everything I play across multiple platforms, including old emulated games on PC (as well as more recent).
The plastic under your left joystick will most likely crack within the first 2 months rendering the controller useless. Many, many reports of this. Just returned mine. I also own the Vader 3 Pro. It is not as good as the Apex, but the left stick base doesn't crack. Otherwise it is the best I have used. But it's weak and breaks.
Let’s see the reports. I feel like this happened to you, now you’re trying to get people to think it’s a wide spread issue.
I’ve seen this too. On Reddit and Amazon reviews. In a game where you click down to sprint a lot (like CoD). Something to do with a part being made out of plastic not strong enough.
@@GamerHeavenOfficialCould this be linked to that Flydigi post about defective controllers caused by a faulty machine in their factory?
I know ppl who have abused the hell out of their Apex 4, and it's still holding up really well.
My right stick after 2 months it's definitely an issue or a bad batch
do vader 4 pro , it just launched and everyone seems to like it . i think it has all the points you wish in the apex 4 such as easer to adjust sticks, no screen , faster to pair up ,and the C and Z button as well . Good Day
don't forget the Vader has real trigger locks! So i say Vader is better for FPS and fighting games (bc of CZ buttons)I got mine last weeks, and I am stunned. I have owned everything including Elite 2 and Scuf Envision pro. Vader has better sticks than either of them. Butter smooth and micro adjustable. Just wish Vader had m5 and m6 buttons up by the bumpers like the older Flydigis and the Razer controllers.
I made a pinned comment and post on the community page. Good Day
didn't even want this controller but your review made me want it lol
I think it would be cool to see some fighting game controller reviews for controllers like the Hori Fighting Commander series or the Razer Raion. Still looking for the ultimate fight pad but currently using the GameSir Kaleid as I love the mechanical buttons and the D-pad. Keep up the quality reviews.
That’d be sick
Thank you!
I ordered mine on the 11th of July and it should be arriving by the 24th of July. Not too shabby from China to Canadia. I paid $94 USD for it.
The excite is exponential at this point.
(My Scuf Instinct Pro was awesome but one of the back buttons has snapped off and the right stick has the dreaded stick drift - no more POTS for this gamer)
Anyhoo, thank you AGAIN for giving us your honest info...
I ordered a Firefly edition, coming this November. Costed me $150 though
@@ry0usama511 Do you mean the Honkai: Star Rail Firefly Limited Edition? I really love the colour way on that one. I think I would do the Assassin's Creed colour way myself.
Heyyy glad to hear it, and you are very welcome. I hear Canada is beautiful, and your people aren’t jerks, and you have health care.
That wolf of Wall Street cut away was wild 😂
Lol
Love my Apex 4. The Vader 4 pro is on the way as well. Best of both worlds.
Exactly 👍🏼
I love that this option is available. Definitely competitive and I think they did well. I hate that they failed on the back buttons. It knocks the ergonomics (maybe even the entire controller) down like 20% and almost defeats the purpose of having them. I feel like the envision mitigated having this syle of back buttons by bringing the buttons closer together and implementing the sax buttons. Also, the triggers "locks", eh. Mechanical buttons + rubber or silicone = fail but maybe someone can do this without making it feel like a plunger someday. gg's tho
Yes the rear buttons are a tiny L, not a big one. For me it’s mostly the inner 2 being a bit of a reach.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial I get that, I've just been ruined by having 4 fingers for four buttons and some people prefer it
I ordered the Assassin’s Creed Apex 4 from overseas when it was released - if you get the opportunity to pick one up I’d say go for it. It’s just beautiful.
Are you going to review the Bigbigwon Blitz 2 2000hz controller?
Cheers i'll definitely keep this controller in mind when i need a new one.
Waiting for the Vader 4 Pro
I got my Flydigi Apex 4 from AliExpress for $90 shipped and it arrived in 5 days. It is 100% my favorite controller. Nothing is better.
Do you recall what seller you purchased from on Aliexpress?
@@jmoss97 It says the item is no longer available.
@@jaythejuiceman3000 thx.
@@jmoss97Banggood has it in stock, type apex 4 and then best selling it’s the first one, took 6 days to UK
@@itsTodd what do you think?
It would be cool if you did an updated ps5 controller roundup, specifically modded ps5 controllers because 3rd party don't get haptics or adaptive triggers.
how to use it on xbox sx with high polling rate?
Waiting on this too
This video is actually incredibly accurate…
Guys it’s true… this controller literally has everything on top of amazing hall effect thumb sticks.
I was about to lose hope on these Chinese controllers to be quite frank because they all lacked one thing or the other or were a complete lie, but this controller really has proven them all wrong…
Not only has it done that but it’s remained very consistent as well as I have had it literally since day one and I’ve had no problems
Chinese controllers? Lol. 😂
Which controllers are not made in China nowadays?
Sold! Even tho I’m sleazy I’ll use the Amazon link.
The Apex 4 feels pretty responsive and smooth when aiming on FPS games. Idk know if it is because of the 1000hz polling rate, but the aim assist in game seems to feel lessened. Like not as sticky. Well from what I experienced in Xdefiant and Battlefield.
Yes i have same problem with hall efect sticks that why i switch to old version sticks
the haptic feedback and screen are a gimmick on the Apex 4. And it not having the same trigger locks as the Vader 3 and 4 is a deal breaker for me. I'm surprised by your conclusion ngl
Gimmick to you, not me. You’re surprised with my decision because it doesn’t match with your opinion.
@@GamerHeavenOfficial You said yourself in THIS video that you don't even like the screen and it should be ditched, but when I call it a gimmick you get defensive? Odd.
@@drconflict629You did say the haptic feedback was also a gimmick, maybe he got ticked off about that?
Nothing beats the vader 3 pro, is worth every penny
You’re not wrong , it’s a beast
i have my apex 4 for almost 7 months now, it is indeed a great controller, but just a tip for those who wanna go for it, the RGB is absolutely garbage, which for me is a big point since in to customization, and no rewasd support so far, so there is that
That screen is the reason I want it lol I dont think they should ditch it
I have been using this controller for 3 days and already doing better on warzone compared to the g7se, mostly going from 2 buttons to 4 buttons have made me a better player but dude my favorite thing in the controller is the trigger lock feature. I have mine set to 20 the lowest and at first I was pressing to hard during gun fights but now on day three I’m so used to it.
You can go down to 1 but whatever I use 25
3:32 made me laugh so hard. I've been saying the name just like you've said in the video man and I thought my mind was weird to think like that. hahahhaha thank you for showing I'm not the only one.
Bought my Apex 4 and just now the Assassin's Creed edition Vader 4 Pro, AliExpressed it dude, although I am in Australia usually a week and a half shipping. Closer to China I guess..Love the Apex 4, think the on the fly tension change for the joysticks and trigger locks on the Vader 4 Pro will be awesome.
My friend's Vader 4 Pro arrived within 6 days to the UK, but he ordered it from gadgethyper.
Is there going to be an 8BitDo Ultimate 2C review soon? I was going to order G7 SE but saw that 8BitDo released a new model that seems interesting
I wasn’t planning on it but I can
my biggest gripe on this controller is the joysticks. They always break!!! Im on my 4th controller and i cant stir away from this controller even though it has this issue. If they can fix this problems this would be my most favorite controller ....
Surely it can’t be the man breaking the controllers.
great video , what do you think of the apex 4 black myth wukong limited edition ?
looks amazing and you can adjust joystick tension without removing anything .
this controller is so good when people ask in my gaming groups what controller they should get and I say apex 4 and I get comments saying I'm buying cheap Chinese stuff and too poor for a elite controller......yeah stick with your overpriced drift coming soon controller. To the few guys the heart or like my comment your the real ones.
Does the Xbox Series not give an error saying "A connected accessory is not authorized" with the Wingman XB you have in your description? Is there a better adapter that works?
How you get the vixtric software to work I got vixtric bfg for Xbox and the app won’t even recognize controller on Xbox
Vader 4 pro > Apex 4 anyday
but
Apex 4 wukong > Vader 4 pro
how so?
@@BangSkeeet vader 4 pro has better qc than apex 4, but the apex 4 wukong is a fixed apex 4 + 2000 hz polling rate
Too bad it is proced 2x as the apex 4
Kevin, thanks again for all your research and reviews. I decided a couple of weeks ago to pull the trigger on the Apex 4. After setting up the software and updating to the latest firmware, I decided to test both the polling and circularity. While I was blown away by the polling, for some odd reason most controllers that I have bought based on your feedback, I never get a zero circularity test like you do. They are mostly in the 5% to 10% range. Is that a normal range or should I send it back for on that will test at 0%?
Great videos, are you going to review the wukong version with 2000hz polling rate? To also check if there are internal improvements?
Vader 3 pro I really enjoyed but for some reason my in game camera would jolt around a couple times per game session as if it was short circuiting or something. Returned for an Apex 4 and have not looked back man this thing is an absolute monster across the board.
That’s weird about the jolt , glad the new controller is good.
Thanks AK! Love these videos. You've saved me tons of time when selecting pro controllers. I run the Victrix Pro on my PS5, Elite Series 2 on XBox and looking for a 3rd to use with my pc which I use the other 2 with but want to add one more. Trying not to tire those other ones out too quickly.
I have a quick question though. Is the only way to achieve the sniper stick heighth on the Vader or Apex by means of Kontrol Freak cap or can I swap the sticks out? Right now I'm diggin a short domed left stick and tall concave right stick.
Thanks dude!
I much prefer the vader 3 over the apex 4..the apex 4 feels so heavy. The vader 3 sits perfectly inbetween being to light and too heavy..i find the spring like feel and sound on the thumbsticks annoying on the apex 4 and lastly the true trigger stops on vader 4 are amazing. Literally the same as a mouse click
The apex 4 is noticeably heavier 🙂. Thank you for sharing your experience/thoughts
The Vader 4 is $80 compared to the $160 of the Apex 4 “I got it for $130 on Prime Day”. Vader 4 pro also has the 2 extra buttons on the front of the controller and a better system to adjust the stick tension.
Why is the Apex 4 so much more expensive? Is it because the interactive screen? It’s by far the most premium feeling controller I’ve ever had though. Was debating selling this and getting Vader 4 pro for cheaper once it’s on Amazon.
Hi bro,✌️I have a question, do you know a way to change profiles faster? like apex 3. to avoid going to the menu all the time and changing profiles??🤔🤙
I need an Xbox/PC controller that has the hall effect for joysticks and the share button. Which one would you recommend? >>PS: the controller needs to be wireless, have 4 paddle controls with the remapping ability, and a share button like Xbox Controllers.
You can either go with the gamesir g7 or One of the kaleids
@@victororozcojulio121 thanks for the reply. forgot to mention that the controller needs to be wireless. the controller also needs to have 4 paddles in the back that can be remapped.
Razer Wolverine V3 Pro
@@greatbadger4396 OMG ty so much.
I was thinking of buying this controller. I play Tekken 8 a lot and seeing that it has membrane rubber used in the dpad might not be good for fighting games. Any recommendation for fighting games with mechanical switch and hall effect thumb stick?
I’m probably not the best to ask.
1. I don’t play many fighting games
2. I don’t use the dpad much
3. Tekken is fuggin’ awesome!
Just had to put that in there lol
I'm not a great Tekken player, I mainly use my Vader 3 Pro for Street Fighter 6 but... the Flydigi mechanical d-pad is EXCELLENT for fighting games. I fully recommend the Vader and Apex controller d-pads for fighting games. Also the Flydigi d-pad is mechanical. It is by far the most accurate d-pad I've ever used for Street Fighter 6, better than the 8bitdo d-pads.
Funny enough, this is the video I’ve been looking for the past few days. Whether I choose the Apex 4 or one of the Vader 3/4 pro controllers. What adapters/ converters do you guys recommend for connecting to my Xbox X. Please help!
does the adjustable stick tension fix the loose recentering spring that people claim hall effect sticks have? also I wanted to ask what do you think is the best style of back buttons/paddles and the best layout for them?
New mechanism solves this problem completely. Unless you choose to play with the lowest tension, from my experience centering will be perfect. But even with tension set to lowest it is very good.
I think I prefer the back buttons on the apex 4 over all elite controllers personally. It feels much more natural than resting my fingers on the protrusions that are multiple back paddles. The buttons on the apex 4 are set in a way that your middle finger will naturally rest perfectly in the center of the two pairs of buttons. 2 buttons on the left half and 2 more on the right half. You'll naturally find yourself resting in the center of each pair making it still feel like a normal controller making it more ergonomic.
Yes from what I can see (I did a tear down on the Vader 4 modules which are similar if not the same) it eliminates that issue
Right on Dan. Personally I like the elites rear paddle approach although usually buttons trump paddles. 🙂
How do you connect to your Xbox X with this controller...what converter adapter do you have to use because I'm really interested...or is the GameSir G7 SE good enough....had really bad luck with my Elite series 2 controller...really want a good wireless controller....
Was about to ask the exact same thing. He has an adapter in the description but it says it works for Xbox 360 and original Xbox. Doesn't mention Xbox One or Series.
@ECGgroup I saw that too....those adjustable hall effects tho 👀
I use the mayflower magic X adaptor, on the apex 3 and 4 controllers, with the xbox series s & x..once the controller is connected to the adaptor thru the wireless dongle or wired, I turn the controller to the Nintendo switch mode, it's read and I turn the controller back to pc mode and it's ready to go.
@@mocorleone1 hell yea finally 🙌
Hey buddy. I use the brook accessories xb2 linked in the description but I’m making a big comparison video of all the makes and models real real soon with pairing tutorials
You got me considering the Vader 3 again as a back up. Where did you get the rubber grips? That sandpaper plastic is always a downside for me, ha ha.
IT LOOKS SO GOOD
Do you have a favorite controller purely based on thumb stick feel, and do you prefer the feel of analog potentiometers or Hall effect? I like the feeling of a tension/centering spring & I’m not sure if hall effect feels the same…. That would definitely be the deciding factor of if I switch to Hall effect or stay with an analog potentiometer
I bought this controller and couldn’t get used to the joysticks. I only play FPS games and it never felt right
God damn brother (sorry to take the lords name in vein) I could (and should) make a video on this but:
-edge
-vader/apex4
-mmmm can’t think of a last one lol
@@GamerHeavenOfficial surprised you didn’t mention the G7 or G7 SE, I thought those might’ve been your favorite
@@GamerHeavenOfficial now that I’m hearing about more of the PS5 controller features… they’re starting to sound less gimmicky…. Guess I didn’t wanna hear about it cause I’m on Xbox 😅
@@kennyoffhenny Once you go DualSense you never go back. Sony just makes better controllers, period.
any info for games that are not listed on the adaptive triggers section of the software? I mean how would the triggers adapt to the game?
i am also very interested in that .
Thank you for this video.
i would buy the controller if it werent for those face buttons. why do they stick out SO FAR??? i want them much closer to the faceplate so i can rapidly slide my thumb between them
Add a face plate then it wouldn’t stick out so much. If that’s a thing haha
Lmao your video pushed me to get this roller when i already have a instinct pro but i have to send it in because my trigger mainly will randimly go off.
I think what really ruins this controller for me is where the back buttons are and connectivity options. If they could just have those fixed I'd buy it.
Idk man, I much prefer the buttons on the apex 4 over paddles on a kk3 or Xbox elite. They're lowkey and to me they're placed in the perfect spot. My middle fingers naturally rest perfectly in the center of the 2 buttons on each side.
Yes
Hey I watch you for great controller information, could you possibly do a setting video for the apex 4 like how to set the trigger stops and what each setting.
So this is deemed to be the best PC controller? Or is that video coming soon?
any plans to do a vader 4 pro review?
Coming very soon
What adapter should I by for it to work on the Xbox
Brook Wingman Xb3
It’s my favorite too but the sticks are great but have a plastic weak point on the tumb stick to fix it I super glued and bought extra controller lol
I must not have that weak point. I beat this controller to hell in gameplay
Sounds like it's defective.
Not having the circularity algorithm option the Vader 4 pro has makes this controller obsolete
Never even heard of that
It’s a gimmicky feature I’ll touch on in my review
Tj, most people haven’t because it’s a marketing nothing burger
@@GamerHeavenOfficial watching your most recent video, it is safe to say I was and still am right, even you prefer the vader 4 pro lol, Apex 4 is just not more than double the price for less controller
how do I use this on xbox?
Make sure its in X Input mode
When can we expect the Vapor 4 Pro review?
Are you getting/reviewing the new Apex 4 Wukong Edition as well?
It has a better build quality and 2000hz polling rate (wired and wireless) with a new NearLink dongle!
Vader 4 Pro when?
Tuesday.
Tuesday.
I like racing Sims but I don't have the money for a good steering/pedal system. Does anyone know of a controller with stiff triggers? I'd like more resistance than normal so I can turn TCS off completely 😅
I have an Apex 4, and I love it. But my vibration in game is weak for some reason. I've confirmed that the vibration is set to max and it works when I test it in the app. It also works in game, but it's never nearly as strong as it is in the app. Playing racing games is trickier because it's hard to feel when the tires are breaking loose. It's too subtle. Any suggestions?
For some context. My plain Jane xbox series x controller is stronger in these games and doesn't give me the same issue. It's the only thing I wish I could change.
Quick question, when using it on Xbox does it disconnect every time you turn it off from its adapter
I just ordered this and ordered the longer thumbsticks 10mm. I had the kingkong and kingkong 3 max. The trigger broke on the kk3 max. I didn't like awful back metal buttons. That shit didn't really fit. Only the bottom two back buttons with the short metal fittings were okay. I really like the 1000hz polling rate on the new kk3. The movement were more precise and not jerky.
Does your apex 4 take a screenshot everytime you turn it on for pc?
mine does you have to desable windows game bar, etc.
Would this still have minimal input delay paired with the Brook XB2 for my Xbox Series X?
I've heard that the Brook will soon be useless on Xbox thanks to an update Microsoft is gonna release for their Xbox consoles. The Mayflash Magic-X is a safer option.
They are not viable for fps games if you care about pulling rates and low input lag.
here from r/controllers
I updated controller firmware and now it constantly drops input in game. It's literally unusable now...
Magnificent!!
I'm currently on an Android Tablet, my Alienware laptops out for the count, little splash of water, she down. so need a comprehensive video on using the Flydigi Game Center app, seems has great potential on the mapping side but very skint on how tos out there. Any advise links etc. all welcome. I'm on PUBG Mobile when I hop in a vehicle how to map the differences.
can I use this one wired? and take the batteries out? it seems to have a lot of stuff that I like
Yes, but the battery does not come out unless you want to clip wires.
Any news of when the vader 4 will be coming out? Love my vader 3, but I use it heavily and I can tell its about to go.
So, I actually have a Vader 4 pro and I really like it. You can order from gadget hyper and it came to Texas decently fast.
Tuesday
@@GamerHeavenOfficial As in tomorrow?! NO WAY. LFG BABY!
I'ma just add that I have the Turtle Beach Stealth Ultra.. I heard A LOT of complaints so added on a $60 Bester Buyer warranty.. Best controller I've ever used. No disconnects wired or wireless, trigger stops actually work in every game unlike other controllers. I drop 30 extra kills than before with other controllers. Thumbsticks soooo accurate. Best purchase ever.
Absolutely, I’ve been using the stealth ultra the last 6 months and it has become my overall favorite controllers I’ve ever used. The stealth ultra is on a whole nother level definitely worth the price. Best Pro controller on the market
@@garrettstrutz7421 do the sticks have much wiggle when you barely press it?
@@n64slayerno not at all. I hate when a controller has wiggle
What’s a good adapter for the ps5 when playing ps4 games? Anyone?
I want this controller for my series X but having to use the wingman xb3 knowing that Xbox will block it (eventually) doesn't seem worth it. building a PC down the road, at that point then I'll get it for that
Naaah, Vader 4 Pro its out now!
Not the same thing. Half the price, no adjustable tension sticks, screen, rubber grips , adaptive triggers, rgb. My review comes out next Tuesday
@@GamerHeavenOfficial sorry to correct… but doesn’t the Vader 4 have adjustable joystick tension as it was one of its major selling points?
@@GamerHeavenOfficial thx, waitig for
I just don't know if I can get behind those back buttons. Tempted to snag it on amzn when it goes on sale and just return it if I don't like them. Also, wish it came in a dark version too. I just don't like white-ish things, but that's not a deal breaker.
The assassins creed version will be in black and it’s coming to Amazon very soon.
When Apex 4 vs Vader 4 pro video will come out ?
Probably after the Vader 4 pro review
i have the 3, yeah is amazing, BUT this plastic in the front, is a no go to me.
I'm sorry but what was that DOOM2016 gameplay, it was like you expected to ADS or something. Just go in.
lol yeah
My Apex 4 left analog broke on the 2nd day of use
You might be eligible for a free replacement, since Flydigi did admit that they had a faulty machine in their factory, which means that Apex 4 controllers produced between a certain time frame will develop these issues.
My right one after about 2 months. It's a common fault