Shin Megami Tensei V is Really Bad
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ส.ค. 2024
- atlus really made me wait 8 years for mid lmao
Shin Megami Tensei V is prolly one of the biggest missteps i seen atlus make so far, and it really sucks seein most everything i worried bout the game becoming actually happen. But since this game sold real well, and has gotten so much praise, i dont doubt that Atlus sees this as the winning formula and is gonna stick w this kinda writing and gameplay for the future.
oh well lol at least i got 25 years worth of great games i can still enjoy
0:00 - 2:12 - Intro
2:12 - 7:08 - The Story
7:08 - 18:04 -The Gameplay
18:04 - 26:10 - The Endings
26:10 - 32:35 - Conclusion
#SMTV #Atlus - บันเทิง
cant wait for ppl to start hating the game now bc i said i didnt like it lol (edit: ppl are blaming me for ppl not liking SMT V now lol)
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still love the game a lot B) even if its not the most perfect game ever(why should i even have to effing say that? no game is perfect)
Hi there simplydad great video btw
Mfs been hating on it within the first 2 weeks dad, but people are gonna somehow say that you caused people to dislike the game
Edit: It's happening, people are blaming Dad for SMT V hate
Ay I’ve always disliked it
The comment section looks exactly as you predicted lmao
Honestly dad, not liking smt5 doesn't make you a fake fan but having a girlfriend is really pushing it
Ya, fans should be the ones pushing the games to be as good as possible not just blindly gobbeling up anything. If we encourage and throw our money at them when it gets worse we are digging our own grave per se and have nobody else to blame for bad games but ourselves.
For a guy who hates Persona games, he seems to love the Girlfriend social link
SimplyDad not having a SimplyWife is shattering my world.
@@MrSkme exactly. Half those early reviews saying its the best smt and shit is like welp. Never watching that shit again. Like seriously?? SMT IV's Tayama had more character than Khonshu. And Khonsu is on the box art...
The beauty of this joke is that you can replace SMTV with almost anything else and it doesn't get any worse
"Honestly, not liking Boruto doesn't make you a fake fan but having a girlfriend is really pushing it"
See? That works too (kinda)
I still have a soft spot for this game but CHOOSING OUR ENDING WITH A SINGLE CHOICE? bro 💀
Tbf Devil Survivor did that and they are a pair of masterpieces. They made your choices matter in different ways. Certainly better than 4's system at least.
From what I've heard, that seems to be a response to criticism for issues getting the neutral path in one of the earlier games;
There was a late game choice that only had two options: one order and one chaos. If you were neutral up until that point, there was no way to remain neutral, you would either get order or chaos. To get the neutral ending you would have had to numerically plan out your order and chaos choices to be exactly enough so that the corresponding choice would balance out.
Basing endings on a single choice is still not great game design, but I guess the developers wanted to be a bit more player friendly.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Not really since most endings require you to have chosen certain options earlier in the game. Making sure certain characters are alive, that you see certain scenes that lead to a specific route, etc etc
I'd actually argue at least devil survivor 1 has one of the most choices in the series, whereas most mainlines are just checking if a number is on the law chaos or neutral scale, you actually have a branch of options leading to specific endings
desu2 is mostly one choice though aside from saving one character or not and getting the not-social links up :^)
@@Lordilucas12 I feel like unless you intentionally pick incorrect options you will have access to 4 out of the 5 majour endings in Devil Survivor 1. And on a second playthrough once you know what you are doing all 5 should be easy.
But I do agree on the notion Devil Survivor probably has the most meaningful choices in any given series. Who lives, who dies, who you align yourself with vs make enemies of, etc. A lot better than your choices mainly deciding what bosses you face and which after-credits scene you get.
Yep fucking shit is that. I want a point system for all the choices we make.
I liked when the blonde boy and the apocalyptic angel had a conversation about needing to be strong through faith behind a bush in a rock hallway. seemed like the right time and place for that encounter
real
I feel bad for people that didn't enjoy their time with this game, because I can't stop playing it.
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I'm sorry that you can't stop playing it. It must be hell being forced to play this garbage
Same
@@mamayareborn I’m sorry you feel that way
I usually feel envious of people who like games I don’t
I put 125 hours into this game. I loved almost every second of it. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you say here but ultimately I just really don't care. I was absolutely immersed and focused and fascinated in a way that no previous SMT game has made me feel. It's wild how we can almost completely agree on the facts but end up feeling completely different about the experience in the end.
My same thoughts. It's a flawed game, but i loved every second of it.
I feel the same. I have clocked 160 hours and still plan to play more.
I feel the same, and about breath of the wild. It feels like both games tried to do something different but that took so much work that they couldn't spend time on important aspects. I hope both games get better in the next game they make with the same tech now that they have done the work and are used to the workflow
@@notuxnobux I really like this take. I think that Atlus knows that SMTV is a flawed game but they had to put it out. I don't necessarily "have faith" that they will be able to fix all of these imperfections in their next game but I'm open to whatever iteration of this formula they think of next. Expecting anything near perfection is a great way to be disappointed in the end.
It’s because it’s next gen SMT, with press turn gameplay. If you like the world, and gameplay Ofc you’re going to like it. I’m just frustrated with Atlus fanboys who defend them no matter what, including the terrible level scaling.
I was never interested in this game But simply dad didn't like it?
Holy Shit, it's clearly an excellent game
Based
Lmao true
Most things aside from battle trying to be balanced but being the complete opposite and story. The game only proves the older titles were created in the wrong generation. That is to say most things are excellently designed, but 2 things hold it back very badly.
I can't believe the Persona 5 avatar made a good post. I'm proud of you, my son.
well you'll get some laughs out of the story if nothing else
The level affecting damage dramatically makes a lot of sense…some of those fights were taking way too long despite me feeling like I’d done a decent amount of preparation
And the MP consumption also felt way larger than in previous games too, even with a high max MP it's still easy to burn all of it up in any boss fight 😵💫 makes me double hate the fact Phys and Gun skills are MP based
@@lowhp_comic "gun skills" bruh
Ah yes, always like listening to dads videos and see the after effect through comments.
Now we gotta wait for the smt 5 Royal definitive edition coming up next that will complete this game.
And it'll add a Mary sue ass character that's gonna try so damn hard to appeal to everybody
@@dillonmalbrue4179 that seems to be Atlus MO now a days with their extended complete versions.
Everything in here is a joke including the video attached to this trash ocean of a opinion I'll make all of you look dumb point by point detail by detail but what will I gain doing so, if someone pays me to argue on my defense on this game I'll proceed but all I'm gonna' say is how much giraffe porn do you guys watch to play this game and look down upon it , the game has good graphics based on the engine it's self which is unreal engine 5, the gameplay is there, nice and hard similar to the rest of the series , I don't know what the hell this guy was saying in the video listed above , because by that logic every smt game had the same flaw of having a jacked boss until you become OP and slap fire out of him, the story is one of the best in the series in terms of how compelling it is , the so called human in the video was blaspheming the characters and the fact you chase after them but nocturne is dam near the exact same thing chasing after the maiden and that b*** and that other guy and this and that it's the same exact thing I don't know what the hell you so called people are saying, damn near everything in this game is the same as the rest of the serious hell even better than smt 1,2, if... , and to a certain degree 3, the only reason it's not better than 3 is the lack of endings that is all. The one MAJOR downer to this game is the lack of endings like neutral chaos, neutral law, chaos law, law chaos , etc etc etc that's it, for the rest the game mechanis are there and everything, what the hell have you guys been doing for 160 plus hours talking about " Oh I put 160+ hours into this game" playing the story over and over? I explored every crack and cranny I found , especially the dlcs and side quest , the amount of detail is outstanding, not the mention the missions that require a full moon or a new moon to appear on the map, which 80% of players don't even f*** know about because these guys are either high as f*** or doing some other BS in the game, other than the pop up glitches and etc that are due to the shitty Switch hardware components , this game gets 5 out of 5 , with the 6 out of 5 badass seal of approval FYM. And this is not even half of what I have to say I haven't even began coming at the laughable points people said about why they dislike this game , points that have nothing to do with logic what so ever, all logic went out the window when I read all this s** and watched this trash ass video oh men. I'll be making a video soon on this very topic. Mary sue characters? WTF LOOK AT THAT PIECE OF S** SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI STRANGE JOURNEY THAT GAME HAS A BUNCH OF LAUGHABLE CHARACTERS SHIT IS A BLASPHEMY! FYM , LOOK AT APPOCALYPES FYM WITH TOKI AND THAT OTHER B*** nah you dillion your high as f*** go to bed n*** ya bored. Like I said people say anything I bet dillion said that with out even thinking and looking back at previous titles because he just says the first thing that comes to the top of his head with out even thinking rationally. Len stop eating cock get off your nears. Buff maister I've seen your crap as well hat's off one of the best smt sweats out there but if you disagree I'm unsubscribing right now. 1 less subscriber out of what 30 thousand or some sh** LOL anyways , all jokes aside though smarten up you guys are bored get your minds outta' the gutter. Now I'll be smoking a cigar as I watch the incoming replies make their way towards me. This isn't even the half of anything that I need to say about smt 5. So expect that video soon.
@@lenleon3699 they’ve been doing it since the ps1 days, no joke lol
@@poopoo-dk4hu True, even the original Megami Tensei had an “improved” version.
From what I've seen of 5, the whole story just seems to be framework for something that would be really cool if they actually developed it
From what I've heard V went through a pretty Rocky development, so I wouldn't be surprised if there was loads of cut content that helped flesh things out
@@ephemeralbro Yeah that would definitely make sense, I'd love to see everything that was cut
Yeah. It's like the story been cut to 3 pieces. 1, Prologue to Lahmu [chapter 2]. 2, chapter 3 which is the Demon Lord part of the story. 3, Bethel faction part straight to the ending.
As if those 3 parts each is being written by different teams/writers.
@@ephemeralbro Shin Megami Tensei had a rocky transition into HD
@@sgwcyingko It seemed random to me too. Like they're in arcs. First chapter was more like exposition to everything and learning game mechanics until you meet Nuwa.
Damage calculation taking levels into account is the stupidest thing ever, leveling up should just increase your stats, not have your level be basically a stat on its own
THANK YOUU!!!
Yes. Fuck I want to do low leveled run but nope you barely tickle the monster.
tbh i kinda like that. It makes it so that you cant just dump all your points onto strength and steamroll the entire game smt 4 style
So...this is why you felt really weak against Hydra ? Not because I managed my states perfectly like the game wanted me to ?
Do you think smt3 did that perfectly? cough cough low-level Strat Jim Reaper....
I remember stumbling across Nocturne completely by accident. Total blind purchase.
I was crushed by the oppressive atmosphere and brutal combat. I considered myself a veteran, but my prior gaming experience was sheltered. I was naive and the game punished me harshly. My attempts to recruit demons resulted in me getting insulted, manipulated, robbed, and slapped up. Bosses would hit my weaknesses and it seemed like I never had a turn.
Back then, it felt like an occultic piece of media that would have circulated behind the scenes. At the time, I didn't know anybody who played it. I tried to share the experience, but my friends didnt appreciate it.
To this day, most SMT games fall short with me-- simply because they can never capture that feeling.
Bro! Yes smt game make you love it how it fuck you over and over
Then what are the SMT games that don't fall short for you?
preach!! smt games usually hold an appeal due to their dark and mature themes, but this one felt as impactful as a generic rpg you'd watch someone play on youtube. just lacked what i normally look for from smt. it's a great game on the surface, but horrible as an smt entry
Strange Journey is even better in that feeling.
@@farted161 Not really, this one was way more impactful then that. No it is great as a smt entry
Going back and listening to this game's music, like the main theme playing during the credits, really pisses me off now. I can tell Ryota Kozuka is putting his whole soul into some of these tracks. It sounds so good and it almost tricks me into thinking that the music is complimenting an emotional, poignant experience, before i remember that it's just tied to bum ass SMT V and its hollow story.
so tru assmaster
i was talking to my buds about the game back when it released. I reached the 3rd area, we got into discord and the first thing i asked him is "yo, is it me, or has the story not advanced a thing since the beginning?" and he replied with a big yes. After reaching the end of the 3rd area and knowing barely anything about the story, i knew this game's storytelling and pacing would be awful. I can basically sum up my experience of the story like this:
- "oh hey, cool, i beat the hydra, am i getting cool bits of the story yet? oh cool, yhvh is dead, fake tokyo, cool, i look forward to seeing this story unravel"
- "cool, i beat lahmu, Tao "died", i dont care, am i getting more story bits? knowledge, nahobino, gods looking for their knowledge, cool"
- "ok i beat surt, what wtf? we're already going after the demons? wtf what about lucifer's role in the story? what about the chaos side of things? where is the good ol clash of ideologies between main characters? where is atsuta? where is his personality?"
and from there, i completely lost interest in the story, i only gave a crap cause i wanted to beat the bosses. The story, in fewer words, is basically "tell, not show"
Yo and if you go Chaos route they give you a level 40 dog and are like "here to help you" when you are fighting 87+ level enemies. This game was really weird in its decisions.
"Tell, don't show"
Yeah, I noticed pretty early that this game does not have any respect for its player whatsoever. Every character makes only the most bland and insightless observations and absolutely MUST tell you about it in very explicit ways. Every game mechanic or interface element needs a tutorial window because it doesn't trust you to investigate and learn things on your own. All the way to the end of the game everyone is repeating the same thing they've said five times before, with no added nuance or development. It is bizarre how little this game thinks of you.
LMAO THIS is so me. I lost my interest after surt battle as well. and to add to my expereince, the way they put the control thing in those arc is the worst! Retracking to many places just to fall down and cannot climb back. zzz
Most thing I dislike in this game is how shallow and hollow the chaos and law representative. And they just suddenly important 3 hours before the game ends. zzz
I'm just coming back from my 3rd "break" from SMT5, desperately trying to finish this game, I'm right before Surt, 75 hours in (I am meticulous and do EVERYTHING there is to do in RPGs) and I just. Can't. Give. A shit. I am beyond disappointed with it so far, it's a slog, the world is so frustrating to navigate around, yeah they got rid of random encounters, but now that physical attacks take MP (seriously, who the fuck thought that was a good idea), I'm hemorrhaging resources and macca whenever I do run into an enemy, so now instead I'm constantly running around, not able to explore properly, not able to mentally map the areas in my mind, because the combat is so frustrating that I just want to avoid it.
Basically everything that I was trying to tell myself "wasn't a big" deal, was just verbalized to me in this video. Never heard of this guy before but he is absolutely right. This is my favourite series of all time, and the fact that I can't even finish this entry... I can't even believe it. To see Atlus go all out for Persona 5, only to dump this out... it doesn't make me feel good for SMT going forward. Either way, I'm not going to waste anymore time forcing myself through this.
@@kode-man23 the level of disappointment i feel with smt 5 is just way too big for me to go back to playing it. The only things i ended up really liking about the game is Nahobino's design (and no, im not horny for him, i just like the design) and the soundtrack. Played the neutral and true neutral endings, beat every optional boss and most sidequests, killed every fiend, havent beaten demi fiend and i already feel like the game has nothing else to offer me to warrant another playthrough. I dont care about the game enough to go back for those other endings which i know will be dogshit. Overall, i think for me, smt 5 is a one and done. It baffles me how even the older titles are still superior in almost every way than this brand new, current generation game.
Tbh I still like the game overall, but the level scaling and how you barely get any XP from any non-Mitamas in the game is a massive problem that genuinely bogs it down for me. Same for every area looking the exact same with Taito being the only good one. I disagree about the sidequests being terrible, but everything else you mentioned was very cathartic to hear
I thought it was too easy to get XP. I only learned about getting level ups from mitamas after I was level 88
Let's just say a shitty smt games is better than most games.
@@notuxnobux I must be playing wrong then because I had to grind multiple times
Honestly its so insulting how broken the mitama DLCs are. Those shits just spawn everywhere with it, you get overleveled with that in no time, because of the items that give you 1 free level that they drop, meanwhile you have to grind a decent amount and when you go back to fight stuff at their level... they are pushovers ( the worldbosses )
the thing is they can fix the exp issue in a patch
Shin Megami Tensei V is back for some "Vengeance".
And its worse than ever
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu How's that?
@@danknhshinki73 Further ruined the already worst in franchise gameplay, made it even easier with its changes, Story still remains horrific and non existent, additions merely feel like low quality filler for an older low quality game, new difficulty is still terrible as it's all made redundant with dampeners and reflect skills, the game still suffers severely by not rewarding buffing/Defbuffing and alignments as it did in past entries, it still remains some dodgy persona story without any quality, it remains substance less and low quality.
This was my first SMT game and the way the endings were handled rubbed me the wrong way. It makes you choose your ending, but if the choices you made in the game, which didn't feel like they really mattered, didn't align with the ending the game punishes you. I've seen comments saying the punishment is minor, but no way in hell I'm grinding all that money for a single side-quest.
I think it's been a issue for a while now in SMT, mainly that the Endings and Factions can sometimes seem like "ONLY" the worse
And thus the endings barely feel rewarding
Punishes how? But as for the endings part, I agree, though it could’ve partly been a response to people bitching about how hard it was to get neutral in SMT IV.
@Rage Kage Punished in the sense that you miss out on some stuff. Like Tao gives you some exclusive skills. There is also quest line that you would have to pay a lot of money to unlock, and I don't like excessive grind.
@Rage Kage Maybe "punish" is a bit of an exaggeration, but I'm asked to pick an ending and since that ending didn't align with some invisible parameters, I get a slap on the wrist. Honestly, I could have played that bit smarter so there definitely some blame on my end.The grinding isn't that big of a deal, I've played RPGs before. It's the reason why I'm doing the grind.
I didn't think SMTV was godawful, but I do think all of these gripes with the game are very legitimate and need to be taken into account for future games in the series.
I like how it went from SMTV to Japanese gaming market to BTS genshin
@@tomvhresvelg9286 TF are you on? The only reason why Genshin has that many users and makes that much money is because it's a predatory anime-style gacha mobile game. And Japanese games will still continue to exist and people will still play them lmao they're not "dead" just cause you don't like them 💀
@@tomvhresvelg9286 😐😂
@@tomvhresvelg9286 same was said about Black Desert a few years back, and what happened?
Lost Ark has the usual trappings of a Korean MMO, Grindy, P2W fest, and a Lootbox hell
Expect the hype to die down, and see if this statement stands
@@cressedangel123 Korean mmos are better than Japanese mmos. Mabinogi actually as lot's of freedom
I defineatly think this game suffered from the problem that alot of series go through. Where when they finally get more budget, and make a big step forward, the developers try to do way to much and end up falling on their face.
I actually really like the gameplay, to my recollection I never had to grind, and I was able to handle bosses from between 10-5 levels under them, in which it was slightly challenging. (Shiva being a super boss was the exception)
I honestly think the devs know what they did wrong, and in good will are going to improve. This game could have be much more successful if it had a better story, and captivated it's audience in a different way, and I really hope Atlus catches on to that
here's what i think happened. i think there were way too many hands in the pot from the beginning (hence story rewrites etc), and a lot of time / money was wasted in initial concept and planning deliberation. after P5 and SMT4's success, the franchise is a hot ticket, and everyone wants a say. the game then gets announced WAY too early because so much time was spent in concept, so the team has to scramble to meet arbitrary content benchmarks handed down from above - things like "we need 200 demons, bc this game has to have the most demons" (and so we can sell this as a "real AAA game"). with so much scale to tackle in rapidly dwindling time, the team licenses photogrammetry model packs and PBR textures to quickly create massive environments in UE4. but because of this, the world, by Atlus standards, looks generic, and feels barren and devoid of soul. note that the music, a more independent, non-hierarchically managed side of development, turned out fantastic.
the writing and characterization seem to also be victims of design by committee. the writing could accurately be described as non-existent, and that's frustrating, because in my opinion SMT excels the MOST in a story-driven treatment; it seems like they saw the western comments about SMT being story-sparse and took them to heart. but games like Nocturne described as "story-sparse" weren't, really; Nocturne was story-dense relative to its scale, but a lot of the story was told through environmental storytelling and narrative breadcrumbs scattered everywhere. the ratio of story beats to playtime is great in Nocturne. by comparison, there's so little narrative or design in SMTV that it feels like a smaller game than Nocturne! the "world" in "open world" is only "world" when there's uniqueness, novel things to experience and engage with; in their absence the environment has no feeling of scale. the feeling of scale is found in the amount of different experiences you have in the game; a giant PBR environment can never substitute for actual storytelling.
@@999a0s They should’ve kept the Archangel designs from IV. The Archangels look way better in that game than in any other.
Honestly, in my opinion they should just remade Strange Journey story.
@@nr2676 Especially now that the Nintendo 3DS stores are closing.
This video did not age well. Especially after Vengeance has released. Classic retrospective rage bait to fish the algorithm for views 😂
How does vengeance existing in any way invalidate simply dad's criticism of SMTV?
Vengeance doesn't make this slog any better, I know because I already sold it.
They're fixing the level scaling in SMTVV
we're so back
No, they just made it worse
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yuok we get it you didn’t like vengeance no need to spam it on every single comment mentioning it
@@LFCBinzy Your fallacy failed. Responding to comments falsley claiming vengeance which is a glorified pump and dump pyramid scheme somehow makes it magically better without argument and responding with its issues individually is not spam, sadly you failed to learn how to read and use terms you do not understand.
As someone who actually really likes the gameplay of this game I cannot deny that the story and characters were SO underdeveloped that they feel unfinished I didn’t even know who the proper Neutral and Chaos reps were until after I finished the game. I had to play SMT4 again after finishing it. I don’t see myself going back to this game anytime soon
Obvious spoilers
My first ending was Chaos...but how is that Chaos? I take people believing in certain gods would fight others and win if they are stronger...but I think Yakumo has the typical view on chaos (or the usual SMT one, I think), humans need to fight gods and demons to free themselves, but if they are weak they don't deserve to live, isn't that what Jimenez thought?
@@Fermin-hw5pd exactly I thought Yakumo was the chaos rep the entire game and Yuzuru and Koshimitsu were the neutral reps
This game took 4 years to make i don't know why it feels so unfinished
I like the game a lot and went into this video thinking "He's gonna talk about the story isn't he". And then you did. No way around it but the story is kinda shit.
My favorite example of this is Amanozako. She's like the first demon who's actually a character in Da'at. She appears all the time in the game, goes suddenly berserk in that one sidequest and talks a ton of cryptic shit when you acquire the keys to the Empirean. I was kinda hyped at the possible plot reveals there, only for her to turn out to be another random irrelevant quest demon. Same thing for Fionn. Cool boss fight outta nowhere in Minato, with a cutscene and all, only to be another quest demon on a random easily missable mountaintop. Tao just dies, comes back then fucks off, the monk does the same thing minus the dying part. Yuzuru doesn't even talk before fusing with Tsukuyomi in their boss fight. What a shame.
My memory tells me of a character called Miyazu, but I'm probably making that up
He talks about way more than the story
Tbh people shit on the story but it never been that good in main SMT game imo , maybe except SMT4 since i never played it and cant tell. Like I did play Nocture b4 the remaster and the story was....very basic and shit tier in term of pase? you just find people and they send you to the next place to recover a mcguffin or to kill some demon that happened to be here and from time to time you get some lore dumb. SMT1 has also the issue of some weird ass char interaction. At one point you kill Law hero girlfriend and he don't interact or care at all. Those game are still great and all, my point is just that we never had good story telling in the main SMT game. The story feel very basic and just sound well on an outside perspective (like a wiki). Take Nocturne against as an example. The Reason npc just chit chat with you time to time when you find them, Then Mantra HQ happened and now they drop some heavy lore about their Reason and that kinda it. I found it hard to grew attach to them since we know basically nothing beside some bit of personality and their reason.
@@magikazam8430 Yeah, V has similar issues to Nocturne's story, you don't hear much from the characters until 3 hours later
bro, he not just talking about story but he talking "EVERYTHING" about SMT V
Bought the game on Day1 and I’m now almost at the end (need to find a handful of Miman and Glory, defeat the last “tower” with those 99 LVL demons and go into the Throne Room).
It’s the first time an SMT game took me so long to complete. One year and 3 months.
I agree with you about the lack of significant storyline. I had put it aside so many times in 2022 and considered quitting. But then I felt like going back to that world to see if anything changed.
It wants to be both a Nocturne sequel and a mix of all the SMT tropes: end of the world and the sacrifice of the Megami reincarnation like SMT? Check. Angels taking care of the protagonist like in SMTII? Check. A school being invaded by demons like SMTIf…? Check. Different versions of Tokyo like in SMTIV? Check.
And the Nocturne references (I liked them honestly) being set 18 years after a Conception and the game being released 18 years after Nocturne was nice.
But all of these elements put together could never coexist with the same consistency and importance they have in each of the single games they are taken from…
Especially if you want this to be different, with the open world aspect which hints at BotW exclusivity on Switch… but with no sign of the same fun and deep gameplay in exploration!
I’ll complete the game in the next few days and then work on my retrospective (maybe)…
Cool analysis, I was surprised as well (and also hyped) when I read all those enthusiastic reviews!
My biggest problem with it is that it lacks some of the mundaneness off previous games. Sure there was always some grand high stakes plot unraveling with ideas and stuff but there was also some really casual moments of the survivors And Demons just living about going on with their day. This was even in nocturne the game built on loneliness and isolation while traveling the ruins of Japan. Yet you could still see Demons just kicking back and having a drink at a bar or just hanging out. Something that's kinda missing in SMTV.
Yea, that is the big thing that is missing from SMT these days. What made the older titles special was that they remembered that they where living worlds that existed separately from the main character. Everyone had their own lives and ideals, from demons and random NPC's to various side characters. A big reason to why things ultimately lead to confrontations between the main characters was precisely cause other characters had their own lives.
@Ostrava_Of_Boletaria SMT IV, while flawed, truly was the last that had some inkling of what made the series tick. It had a host of its own issues as it was showing some of the signs that would become trends later on, there was still some of that distinct SMT'ness present in the games world.
The straw that broke what happened in the dev of this game was, they give you a level 40 dog for the Chaos final stretch. You are fighting 87+ level enemies, and the dog sucks. The chaotic friend gives you and is like "HERE TO HELP IN THE FIGHTS MOVING FORWARD". I was extremely confused.
Yeah, what were they thinking while doing the Zeus rematch xd, he is 1 level higher than the FINAL BOSS!
Also, Hayataro is helpful in new plathroughs, I used him and really helped
@@Fermin-hw5pd i mean yes but it also seems very weird that they give you (especially here) a bunch of very obviously "NG+" demons?
Like Hayataro is kinda useless until NG+ because he's like lvl 40 and you're fighting endgame enemies. Same with the fairy (Amenozoko? not sure how to spell it) and Tao. Tao is slightly better and you get her more midgame but my party was still fuckin 8 levels higher than her when I got her.
@@HyenaFox Nah bro, Amanozako has a really nice moveset (can be a viable healer since has Mediarahan paired with Energy Drain, that's not mentioning her wind and electricity attacks, but I think she has a bit low HP bar), as for Tao...meh, she has Matarunda so I just put her in whenever someone dies
Also, how were you 8 levels higher than her?? She's at level 60, I was just at lv 58 xd
Yeah I was confused also, I was like the game just gave me fusion material or do they actually expect me to use him?
@@Circa_Tsunami Yeah xd, my first thought was "thanks, I guess, bosses won't be a threat anymore"
Doesn’t seem like people will change their opinions just because you dislike it (pinned comment). I don’t think that’s how it works. But, I’m pretty sure everyone agrees the story is weak.
It’s a joke bc before I even dropped my video I seen people on Twitter crying that I’m somehow gonna make everybody start hating the game jus because I don’t like it 💀
SimplyDad, are you going to make a video for Soul Hackers 2? Something tells me you won't, but I figured I'd ask anyway.
he’d probably rather make a video about his bowel movements
bro dropped his Magnum opus and left for the milk 💀😭
The story and characters are pretty rough for sure, personally think it has the best exploration, combat, and demon negotiations in the series though. Pretty big departure from the visual novel style of the 3DS SMT games but honestly I think there is definitely something to enjoy about more subtle storytelling as well as the blurred alignment system.
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I might play it just for the negotiations then
Do the negotiations world build tho? If it does, then thats the hidden gem of the game.
@@mimszanadunstedt441 they have pretty cool monster interactions that world build for their own quest here and there. I don’t mean the interaction where if you have the same monster in your group you’ll get money, I mean if you have an ishtar and trying to talk to Jackfrost, the Ishtar will talk on your behalf. She might say something like “come on you should join us! It is fun!”
Jackfrost:”ho-he really!?” (This is an example). Also just the ost alone will get you through any sludge imo.
The exploration is the part I disliked the most and I thought the characters were good except for the girls (Apocalypse and Strange Journey seem like the only games with good females in mainline.)
I don't necessarily disagree with every point. You mentioned quite a few good ones, ones I agree with myself. The level curve in this game was insane leading into the final area, the enemies felt very spongey, the story lacked heavily, and the lack of character development and purpose in general is sorry.
Despite all of that being said: I genuinely feel SMTV is a good game. The exploration was entertaining, the music was INCREDIBLE, and the gameplay overall was great. Even if the Magatsuhi mechanic was unbalanced to a certain degree, the fact that there is ANY form of interesting innovation and experimentation is fantastic for the series.
Now about the character designs... I don't understand why a select few is acting as if these demon designs are horrendous, lazy, or uninspired. Quite literally every new design in SMTV looks great. I get it, not everyone is going to be into Idun being idol-like, but it's just ONE demon. It isn't as if every female demon is idol-insipired. Acting as if designs like Artemis or Amanozako are bad is simply strange, delusional even. They're all unique and interesting designs that have some form of meaning/inspiration behind them. If you want to talk about a few "bad" or "ugly" Doi designs, SMTIV:A is *right* there. Haha.
Not saying it will or should happen, but a SMTV-2 or SMTV-Final wouldn't be a bad next step in the mainline series. SMTV leaves much to be desired, but that isn't to say a SMTV-Final can't learn and improve upon it.
If I can say something, I _knew_ SD was going to say something about Idunn, and oh he did xd
"Get that off the screen"
@@Fermin-hw5pd It was hilarious. I can understand his dislike for her, but I personally like her quite a lot. So much so that she is realistically on of- if not my favorite demon to come out of SMTV.
@@thequincy_ She's just another healer to me, I guess
@@Fermin-hw5pd Her healing abilities were incredible, but I simply just enjoyed her design.
@@thequincy_ I never use Golden Apple, so you can guess why I said that, I find her design funny, giving her that attire because of Idunn's inmortality apples is as I said funny
My BIGGEST gripe with this game is the exploration and level design. In Previous grid-based dungeons I never felt frustrated about getting lost as you can refer to the map. In SMT V however they’ve tried to turn a 3D space into a vertical, cramped maze. The map is so awful it barely distinguishes areas from height or depth. I can count times in SMT V where the route to the next part of the map is some bullshit tunnel hidden between rocks or under a highway overpass. It is just tedious to explore anywhere in this game. I found myself warping back to the fount often just to avoid it. If there’s an unreachable item or Miman on a roof that’s too high to reach the default way this game approaches reaching the said area is looping around the entire map so you can reach a high enough mountain which then allows you to jump on top of the rooftop. The last area in particular does this a few times.
Man I liked the video, but everyone echoes the same story comments about this game and its gotten to the point where it's most of what I see online - it's frustrating when a large portion of the fanbase single handedly deters new players from becoming a part of the community. Fans who are enjoying the game and the series, but are deterred from enjoying the latest installment through vids like these. We've seen a huge jump in quality with SMTV. Enjoyed a lot of the takes but the click bait titles and nitpicks are not what are going to help the megaten series grow, and neither are overly-critical fans of the series. Look at pokemon, they haven't had a good game in almost a decade, at least not to the core fanbases standards, and they are still able to cultivate positivity around their community despite their series getting essential butchered. Constructive criticism is good don't get me wrong esp since you're a longterm fan, but "SMTV is Really Bad" is incredibly reductive even with the gripes. Looking forward to the next vid tho, soul hackers 2 gonna be hilarious if it happens
wym by nitpicks
I think the only thing I really feel needs to be majorly addressed is your issue with what Lucifer was blogging about at the end of SMT5 (the Mandala System) is a long established aspect of the Amala Multiverse in SMT; the Axiom, or, Great Will, autonomously creates Demons to fill the desires of humanity, and, as YHVH said in SMT2, killing him doesn't matter because the "will of the universe" (the Axiom) will recreate him over and over again.
The idea seemed to me that Lucifer was trying to explain to you that using the Throne of Creation will not create a permanent solution because the world's still part of the Amala Multiverse and the Axiom will, inevitably, fuck with your vision for the future, and you need some sort of secret knowledge to segregate this universe from the rest of the Amala. I think more than anything the issue is it's largely a rehash of Dagda's master plan of "if we kill all the gods and kill everyone, nobody will be around to make the Axiom remake YHVH" from SMT4A, not that the concept is somehow "fanfiction".
I definitely agree with you that the story was a shitshow overall, but in my play through I didn't find the level related damage scaling was an actual issue for actually important battles except when I messed with the big strong men who appeared in the first area. In terms of overall balance and challenge, I felt the game was, like most SMT games, at it's toughest early on, in the first area of Da'at, with the Chimera, one of the side quest bosses and final boss of that area requiring me to actually build a proper team to deal with things and exploit weaknesses to progress. SMT3 also had a system of damage mitigation based on level, so I don't think this is some new, specific issue to SMT5 as a concept, I think it's just overtuned and should have some level of cap. Also, yes, encountered demons are "stronger" than their recruited version, but encounter demons also don't hit the same as recruited demons. This isn't new though, not with SMT nor with RPGs with recruitable enemies in general. Overall, I think your issues with the gameplay are broadly more a symptom of the issues with exploration than the combat inherently, which, I found to be some of the strongest in the series as a whole, with only a few small issue areas which you didn't really bring up in your video at all. It's ultimately a subjective thing though, so to each their own.
I will say though, I think our interests, in that we want SMT to be the best it can be, are aligned. I hope that SMT 6 or whatever comes next will be able to avoid the development hell that clearly butchered the plot of this game.
SMTIII is the only game where the amala universe is mentioned and applies. the great will and the axiom are also not the same entity, and the axiom only applies to and is mentioned in IVA.
@@frankbrocker2963 This, I don't understand why so many people seem to think that the "Amala" multiverse is a thing and isn't just the wider Megaten Multiverse.
@@darkhorse744 my guess is it's because no other SMT game mentions the amala universe, meaning it is never confirmed or denied, and megaten fans assume that since it is a universe, it must apply to all of the games. or they just think the idea of a named multiverse is cool. doesn't help that localizations of SMT games, official or otherwise, are infamously VERY sloppy, partially due to the fact that mainline just didn't find the same level of overseas success. it doesnt seem so bad at first, but this is how megaten fans also mistake the axiom for the great will, when in the original jp release, they were clearly different entities that even used different words to distinguish them. the great will isn't mentioned in IVA at all, it's just the axiom in that game, which is more like the canopus from devil survivor 2 record breaker.
@@frankbrocker2963 True, lore stuff can also get pretty weird, I think the newer SMT Translations are definitely better than the older ones, Nocturne ended up messing up a lot of Demon Names and is also probably the reason that People think the Great Will is YHVH.
I don't recall V having any translation problems though.
@@darkhorse744 no idea how people mistake the great will for YHVH, the great will is stronger than and more ever-present in the games than YHVH is. the great will would be the binding factor of all of these games, not the amala universe or axiom, those are concepts introduced in and exclusive to those games, though they may share similarities with or be based off of previous ideas. i think another big problem is not just the translations, but megaten fans simply not paying attention to the stories and lore. they don't bother to read into and think about what IS there, instead just going with whatever headcanon seems cooler to them personally. this doesn't even include just plot details either, it even bleeds into other aspects such as notoriously III's soundtrack, what with getting the name of "Forced Battle" wrong even though the correct translation dates as far back as the original western localization, and more notoriously "ONE MORE GOD REJECTED" instead of "War broke out in heaven". Also the idea of fiends being just skeleton men is incorrect, which is strange because the fiends not only have been around since SFC SMTII, but the fiends are different in EVERY mainline game. III and V are the only games that share fiends and where they represent death, and V just copies III's fiends (aside from alice) bc of the DLC quest. also, III is the only mainline game where the fiends fit the game thematically and, besides hell biker, aren't just cool references, whereas V just copies III's for content's sake and possible connection bait.
im not too familiar with V's localization issues, but i wouldn't be surprised if there are any or many in fact. i will research this soon.
The story fucking sucks ass, but I don't regret buying a Switch to play it. It was that fun.
I hope they make a SMTV Apocalypse or some shit.
You had really valid points into why you didn't like the game, but I personally enjoyed it a lot.
The battle system, open world approach and redesigned 3D models of the demons are the only redeeming qualities of this game.
@@chrisjr6214 Redesigned models? Most of them were reused from P5 xd
@@Fermin-hw5pd look at belzeebub in p5 vs smt 5 and tell me its not improved design.
@@tendatonda1634 That is why I said "most", those with unique skills were given new/reworked models
welp you got your wish sort of
Coming soon: “Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance Is Not As Bad”
Understatement. A one
Minute cutscene in vengeance had more plot then the original game put together.
Simply trash didn't like the game? That means it's really good
Booooo don’t steal other peoples jokes
@@SimplyDad you do realize coincidence happens right?
I didn't like 5's story or characters either and started 4 after finishing it. The contrast in characters and world building has been pretty crazy so far. Not to say I hated everything about 5 ofc, but it definitely feels like even more of a step backwards since getting into 4.
Same. I also like the smirk system a lot. It’s fun and neat. I don’t regret buying SMTV, but I’m glad it was on sale for $39.99. Don’t think it’s worth it at $59.99.
Keep playing iv. you'll see that its storytelling and world building isnt any better lol
@@demi-friend salty because you know he's correct...
The world building in 5 is probably the best part of the story. Reading more about the myths and stories they took inspiration from for the game made me appreciate how much thought they put into the setting. They took massive inspiration from Antediluvian creation myths and John Milton's Epic Poem to make the background something great. I guess not having it spoonfed is something that bothers most people.
I find it funny people are hailing IV as a watermark, when that game was shit on for its story as well, at launch. People fucking ragged on it, and even now as it is more fondly remembered, people still don't understand half of the backstory in IV, because of the lack of spoonfeeding.
I did the exact same thing and completely agree to everything you said
I totally loved this game and it got me much more hooked than SMT4. I know the characters are weak, but everything else I found it superb: the world, the map, the fights, the music, the aesthetic.
Even if the world was big and full of stuff but it’s very diff from SMT IV where the world was actually alive and had life and story and lore . No amount of gameplay can make up for the lack of story …
@@NerroEXTV Most of those are fine, it is a fine game not a bad one. The pandering to nocturne is a bit much. If this were a spinoff title of smt then most of its shortcomings wouldn't be a result of comparison to past mainline games.
@@NerroEXTV So basically it's not good becsuse it's not like SMT4. Actually, I appreciate that. I liked the loneliness of the game and how your team becomes better by doing things that are not fighting, such as finding hidden items or NPCs. Most of the talismans are found this way and allow you to win battles being underleveled. Same with essences. Looks like the video creator was unhappy by critics saying SMT5 is bad for not being Persona 5, and then it literally says it is bad for not being SMT4...
@@NerroEXTV I’m over 40 hours into SMT IV. The opening act was a chore to get through and I have yet to be killed by any of the bosses. Also Walter is the only standout character so far.
Call me crazy. But when I play a game, I care more that the gameplay is good. Cause I’m…playing a game. Not watching a movie.
@@deathfliez627 if you only care about pure gameplay why even play an RPG? play a competitive trading card game like magic or YGO, much more complex and actually challenging since it's against other players. play pokemon competitively. if you care 0 about world-building, story, characters, aesthetics, lore, etc. why even play an RPG? play a genre of games with only gameplay. the opening act of IV sets in front of you an extremely strange world with hints all over what it could mean and where it came from, and it sets up a great mystery about what really happened for mikado to exist. that shit was cool. yeah there was no gameplay for a while but RPGs are more than that.
where can i confirm what simply said about the damage scaling based on level?
the video where I show it lmao
28:38 Hold up, this part actually sounds pretty important. Could you elaborate on what got changed in the English version?
Play the damn game.
@@Bytesthedust I did. I can't play the Japanese version though.
@@jacquespaught I believe dad is referring to the "Conception" translation. In the Japanese version the word "conception" was used in a different context, but in the English version "conception" is phrased in way that references The Conception from Nocturne where the entire world was destroyed however in SMT V only the original Tokyo was destroyed not the world.
This is another one of those times where I'm having fun with a game, and I see a video with a title that pisses me off. I click on the video knowing I won't like what he says, but instead of getting mad, I see that every single point he makes is spot on. I honestly couldn't agree more, excellent video.
With that being said, I still really enjoyed the combat of SMT 5 and even on hard the grinding wasn't too bad for me personally. With THAT being said as well, the level being a stat in of itself is really insanely bizarre and that explains a lot of the artificial difficulty spikes which vanished when I leveled 2-3 times. I thought my success was 70% my team optimization and 30% my levels, but I guess it was 40% my team optimization and 60% just having the better stats. Which is a huge bummer.
I had a similar experience with Metroid Dread, where I felt like the game was inhibiting my ability to explore, just guiding me along.
For me, SMTV has it's flaws and I noticed them before, so it wasn't that surpising, but a "Shin Megami Tensei V is really bad" was too much xd...in the end, it's Simply Mad we're talking about, always making me feel frustrated even though I agree on what he says
Level is a stat in nearly every megaten game and you can see that same effect if you grind above the boss's level. smtv just makes it more obvious because grinding is less time-consuming in it and its easier to become overleveled compared to other games
@@demi-friend From personal experience, I never found my level to play a big role outside of Fusions or Negotiations in the previous games. If I got stuck, it's usually my poor team setup or lacking certain skills to properly fight the boss.
Metroid Dread can railroad you for about a third of the game, but also gives you the tools to explore it of you want to do so.
Bro metroid dread has so many sequence breaks idk man.
man i kinda expected something like this. the whole "nocturne inspired" thing was kind of a red flag. i think the plot and dialogue really bring the game down.
Yeah I really hated that they dick ride Nocturne so much, they had things right with SMTIV and even Strange Journey
@@dantemustdie00
Man, you trippin.
SMTIV is the worst.
Nocturne is worst
what's the name of the music that starts at 26:12 ?
Ok I just found it out. It is SMT V Main Theme
lmao SMT V Vengeance aka "second time's the charm guys I swear"
And its worse
I really like seeing lots of opnions and i was waiting for yours tbh, i got into mainline thanks to your SMT IV vid and i loved that game.
For me, the "Dungeons" were more focused on the Area exploring themselves, some parts to proceed were a bit trickier to get to, but what would have just actually made the exploring 100 times more fun, was to simply give Nahobino a Double Jump, i kinda wished the movement during exploring was just a little more fluid like NieR Automata for example.
As for the video itself, i mostly agree with what was exposed, specially the story part, the other big miss for me was removing "Gun/Bullet" and just keeping it like just Phys attacks like Nocturne instead of IV, but what really disliked was that buffs/debuffs are super expensive and they last momentarily, also that now there is single and party buff skills like Persona.
Clearly this SMT was made in mind for Persona fans who have never played a mainline game before. Story is bad, but i think that its still better than IV:A since you dont have an obnoxiously annoying party with you lmao (Gaston is kinda ok imo). SMT IV still my fav mainline yet, i bought Nocturne HD while waiting for this one, and i like Nocturne much more as a game overall, even tho it feels more "old school" jrpg since what i mostly found hard where the dungeons themselves more than the combat.
Also i find harsh that many call Doi a "bad artist" since i relly think his designs are starting to get much more solid grasp vs older entries where he worked, i prefer his Lucifer over IV's sad ayy lmao any day tbh.
I don't really understand that point of the buffs/debuffs tbh, I honestly prefer this way bc before it was getting the buffs to the max and later spam heals and attacks until the enemy dies. And if they cast Dek- spells then repeating the same cycle.
And the cost of spells does not apply only to buffs, also attacks and heals. Agi went from 5 MP cost from IV to 10 in V as an example
@@elcomp2178 to me buffs are almost useless in this game because they only last a few turns they are super expensive to cast, and the buff you get is mediocre at best. If they just upped the boost it'd be worth it, but honestly it just feels like a waste of a turn much of the time. Not to mention the charge and concentrate buffs are literally useless with how small the damage increase is. And the accuracy/evasion buffs and debuffs honestly feel like they don't do anything. The buffs and debunks are super underwhelming in this game. Not even bosses bother using them.
there were always single and party buff in SMT series did you really play once SMT? I've never played persona series so i don't know.
@@briangarriz5854 Persona (at least from 3 onwards) has single and Party buffs, SMT V did it the Persona way, both Tarukaja (Single) and Ma-Tarukaja (Party) for example.
My main issue with it was that besides being SUPER EXPENSIVE ON MP like SMTIV:A (seriously wtf MP drains like crazy on that game, specially buffs) is that they also last for a moment, which truly like Alex said, makes buffs completely worthless on the game since you waste so many resources to get so little in return, which in turn ALSO make Dek-unda/kaja skills complete useless too, since the big advantage was that if your enemy buffed for 3 turns, you would Dekaja him and make ALL his effort go down the drain with it by having that kind of skill on you instead of another type of skill using that slot on your MC or demon, same that the enemies could do to you as well, or just also removing their debuffs you did to them as well, like the Ose mini-boss did when you wanted to activate the terminal on IV.
Persona on terms of buffs, only Charge/Concentrate are the only ones that matter, and maybe Sukukaja a bit if you were hunting golden hands, since those are basically the Mitamas from V pretty much, yet not as to give you a FREE LEVEL item, just rewarded you lots of XP and money if you managed to beat them before they run away. Still, Persona has never been too buff focused compared to mainline.
As for older SMT games (only have played Nocturne onwards), I don't know if there are single and party buffs like V had, but im sure that work better than on V on most of them. Recently started Soul Hackers on 3DS and man, I'm really enjoying it.
@@XxDeViLBrInGeRxX they always had all enemies/allies buffs and debuff while also having ST buffs/debuffs (for ex debilitate/luster candy)
Hi Simply Dad, I actually agree with all of your points about story and characters, especially as a huge SMT IV fan, but I will stand by my opinion that SMT V has the best combat. The ability to order the party, the fact that items are a lot more accessible and useful, the essences and affinity system allowing for diverse builds, and generally having a lot more agency and less RNG BS are just a few big improvements to the general combat of SMT. It's a blast to play from a gameplay perspective.
But I agree on the story and characters. They were milk toast at best, and stanky booty at worst. Here's hoping SMT VI becomes a spiritual successor to IV (like how V was to Nocturne) with a better cast and story.
8:37 So you didn’t like the fairy village and the entirety of southwestern shinagawa? And how beautiful it is and how breathtaking the whole atmosphere is after running around in this fucked up, dry desert apocalyptical world? I swear when I first stumbled upon it, it was incredibly refreshing just when I started to feel a little exhausted from seeing the same environments. I didn’t exactly expect to see a place to welcoming in a world full of bloodthirsty demons tbh.
Bro that area brought back nostalgia for the yu-no visual novel for me, no cap one of the best zones in the game as well as the music there being top tier. This guy makin the vid gots to be a fake fan smh
I hated this video when it first came out. Now its one of my favorites because its just the fucking truth. I still enjoyed SMT V but when I had no desire to replay it, thats when the post nut clarity set in.
Same, I'm playing smt4 again instead
I still like the game even though I find myself agreeing with a lot of what was said here. I'm just wondering how an inevitable expansion game can truly "fix" all this. Like, the combat systems wouldn't be too hard to re-do as a lot of the problem is tied to the level system. I believe SMT V combat would be the best in the franchise if the whole "levels determine true strength" part was removed and the bosses were less tanky during even match ups. I found myself using EVERY skill, item, and demon at my disposal during even match-ups and felt extreme satisfaction from beating enemies and bosses in those kind of fights, but once the realization hits that you can grind out mitama and absolutely rip and tear everything in front of you save for super bosses, the game became incredibly dull. To put it in perspective, hitting level 99 makes it to where you can absolutely ass blast the entire ending and be wrapped up with the final bosses in less than an hour.
The ATLUS music and sound design team was pretty much on point as always, not much to say here other than I thoroughly enjoy and still listen to most all of the soundtrack. Not sure I like the pre-battle song as much as previous games (mostly cause it just sounds like nails scraping against a chalk board), the rest was great though.
I both agree and disagree on the exploration. I feel there were quite a few quests that gave you some background info about the world, but mostly by what the demons experienced, not the world at large because everything's a barren wasteland and there are really no humans besides the NPC reps. I'll be honest, this disconnect of the game not being a very human-filled story, is probably what had a lot of the story department scratching their head at what to do. I suppose they could've given you many stronger reasons to care about the demons, but they don't really always follow through on that at every point because again, most get so little screen time and so little to say. As for the actual exploration, I hope they never do Mimans again, I just think it's outright bad and if I wanted them, I would just play an ubisoft open world game. I feel like the first area was a pretty great introductory zone, but It's kinda sad that every other map followed it in design. I get that the map is basically a few zones in a largely homogenous country but they definitely could've added more spice to each zone and some better landmarks to really make them stand out.
The story is, without a doubt, the worst part. I'd say I like a lot more moments of it for laughs than as an actual pieced-together story. So far, i've only done the "Destroy the Throne" ending as well and yea, it's just not very satisfying and makes me wonder why it's even an option at all.
Persona without the heart
Phantom Thieves stole it 😔😔
ayyo is that portion 26:12 to 26:35 from a trailer or an edit you did? that shit is godlike, makes me wanna pick the game back up again lmao
i'll be honest, the RIDICULOUS decision to make your level be included in damage formula would have stopped me playing the game again on its own. trying to babysit your levels so that you aren't fighting an arbitrary uphill battle, or too strong that you can turn your brain off even on hard, is straight up the biggest insult i've ever had in the SMT series. that is just one of those things that i can't ever reconcile with, complete dealbreaker. game just does not feel good to play
Nocturne also had level involved in damage calcuation.
@@JohnSmith-iw1wd if true, then i stand corrected, but i've played nocturne quite a lot compared to V, and i've never noticed it. so if it's present, it's not nearly as impactful in my experience
@@Seraphic_Radiance it's true for most games since nocturne, possibly even more. But it's much, much less severe, difference of 5 levels in smtv means more than 20 level diff in nocturne. when you combine it with ridiculous health enemies have and a defense stat that does not exist in nocturne, the importance starts to pile up.
In nocturne I had cu chulainn that was 15 levels below demi, yet he stood beside me until the end, thanks to his skills and resistances. try doing something like this in v
@@ologracz1110 what does any of this mean the games on sale right now amd im debating on whether I should get It I want it to be challenging but not grindy
@@jimb0072 bro buy this fucking game, it's outstanding
For the Mima i just ignore them until you get to the end of the level, buy the map, and go back and collect them using that.
Really hope the next installment is story driven. Now that they have the demon assets, they could focus on the themes and story
I doubt it, but I'd love a new SMT with focus on the story, too. It seems to me that Atlus is set on doing the bare minimum for the mainline series. Wouldn't surprise me if SMT6 has some generic AI-generated story or some nonsense of sorts. I wish they gave the same level of shit they give to the Persona series to the mainline series as well.
I don't if it has a good story but the gameplay is mid most people won't bother
Case in point soul hackers 2
@@Strixyy. >assuming SH2 has a good story
Hope they find some balance mixing the good things about SMT Nocturne and SMT IV for the next installment.
where can i find the cat clips?
Worst part about the game is definitely the stat padding. I can have a fight completely on lock but it just takes forever.
You're not alone. The story and everything related to the story was a huge disappointment in contrast to IV. It's sad, there's little like SMT out there and the last thing I want to see is this series losing what it was about and failing to be good.
That always is the trend. Everything that survives until now is flattened out or inaccessible. Whatever allowed people to be so creative in ideas and identity has since long passed, and we will never beat witness to such creativity ever again.
The cut scenes in nocturne was artistic as hell. Was hoping for something that.....yeah nvm.
Are you forgetting IV????? Iv had the best soundtrack handsdown imo, dds also had a great one.
Infact all atlus games music is QUALITY
The biggest refinement they made was optimizing fusion so you could just fuse whatever demons you had available from either your party or the Compendium. No other advancements or innovations in the classical JRPG formula are presented here. I'm not saying go all Xenosaga 2, but my goodness could they not playtest that game and think "we have demons clumped together, why are we having the player fight each individual one?" They also apparently only played GTA3 for an hour and said "yep, that's an open world game alright," and made their visual language all wrong. Why are the quest icons fundamentally screwed up? They're a beige when they're available, then they're green when they're underway, then red when available to complete..? Why?! Green gives the impression you can complete it, and red gives the impression that it's either locked, unavailable, or you can't complete it (why a game would do this nowadays, it doesn't make sense, but that's the impression the color red gives). I've backtracked at times, only to be like "why can't I complete this quest? The icon is green..." only to realize/remember green means "not complete at all you moron, wait until it turns red!" It's seriously overhyped just so that it can "compete" with Persona.
What do you think about Shin Megami Tensei IV and IV Apocalypse?
Smt5 is a reconstruction of the tropes traditionally associated with law, chaos, and neutral. What made me think of this is how none of the ending feel like "traditional" law, choas, and neutral and are even named differently from straight up their namesakes even though alignment is still in the game.
Then it hit me, they all reconstruct the basic idea of each alignment. For instance the law route isn't about the great will but more along the lines of having a single unifer for people to follow. Ichiro perfectly sums this up with his many conversations saying he isn't confident to think for himself and would much rather have better leaders guide him. Its not about stripping people of free will but having that single collective directive with someone with good intentions guiding them. Bethel angel's even say they dont want the great will back but feel they still need someone with the qualifications to lead them.
Chaos is chaos in the sense that it goes against law and has a full democracy with differing ideals and ideologies. With how the gods are planning to make a pantheon of a melding pot where they all way in their decision. In this sense its chaos because under norms you don't compare religions like this for instance, its usually considered blasphemous aka chaos.
Neutral is the route where nuwa and shohei make it clear they have a love/hate relationship with demons and humans. So what better way to even the playing field than destroy the throne leaving demons without a goal. And leaving humans in a case where they must fend for themselves, true *neutrality*. We even get further characterization later on that gives insight to shohei and nuwa's characters. They are the extreme of a neutral outlook.
Finally the secret ending which follows the neutral ending route (destroy the throne). Instead of neutrality in the sense of an even playing field, it follows neutrality in the since gods/demons and humans remain in seperate realms no longer able to interfere with one another. Case in point v-kun being in a similar situation to lucifer, being in a realm where he can only observe his friends because of following through with his creation of seperate worlds. Obviously he needed to become a god in the first place to take the throne, so obviously he's not exempt to his own rules aka neutrality.
All in all just wanted to put my thoughts here because I kept seeing people complain about the story. Not saying its great, but clearly the ideas and concepts are here.
I agree, it's a little undercooked, but they did have something there
I don't know how you all write essays on this barebones undercooked shit ass story and concepts. And even if they are "there" as you say, it's still bad and empty
Chaos being chaos in the sense of being opposed to law doesn't make much sense because neutrality is also opposed to law. The alignments in this game feel very underdeveloped in my opinion. The tsukuyomi route being chaos makes no sense to me because the ending to that route is way less chaotic than destroying the throne, which you do "for the sake of humanity".
@@melansmt8173 wanna preface this by saying this game doesn't follow traditional alignments like smt4 where chaos is demons, law is angels, and neutral is human. So thats what i feel like im interpreting when you say how you feel about the alignments.
chaos opposes law in the sense of instead of 1 governing power, chaos is all about multiple. Which also hearkened back to lucifer's og goal on how he believed the great will shouldn't govern everything but be left to everyone to decide.
Destroying the throne is "neutral" because it removes a major source of power for "both" humans and demons, leaving them in an equal setting until either demons or humans rise up. With the true ending taking that a step further and separating them entirely, not favoring either side of conflict. There is no "for the sake of humanity" like in smt4 for instance. In 5 there are no "angels, demons, of humans" per se the wars been over what the game is about is deciding what to do with the leftover remains of the world. Law- have a singular force govern you, Chaos- have everyone be equals (both demon and humans coming together) which goes against great will intentions and why he forbade nahobinos in the first place aka why it opposes law, and the two neutral endings which are in favor of leveling the playing field between both sides of demon and human.
@@reikurokaze3988 I wouldn't say that both neutral endings are about leveling the playing field. The true ending is about making a world where gods and demons don't exist and humanity having a world solely for them. That, to me at least, screams "for the sake of humanity". Admittedly, the game doesn't do a good job of explaining and fleshing out the chaos and neutral alignments. It would make more sense to categorize the alignments in this game as being monotheism, polytheism, and atheism. Also, in smt 5, the alignments can be summed up as either upholding the status quo of God (law), letting God's and demons take charge of the world but without the "strong rule over the weak" philosophy (chaos), and neutral being that you let humanity lead themselves and their future.
11:00 LMFAAAO, getting up there and not finding shit was fr the rage inducing moment for sure. Some of the areas where you have to platform and jump, makes you wonder if something is truly there, after fighting to get up there.
I still love the game, despite it's flaws and characters, but I'm hoping that theres another version that takes an older narrative, and puts it into perspective.
When we first saw the game, it looked a lot more focused around the protagonist and Tao, but then after four years, a lot definitely changed.
And Yuzuru was almost a protagonist?? Wtf? He would have been decent. I was expecting his sister to be killed somewhere in the story, and he spirals out of control into chaos alignment, and such.
Interesting to see your take on the game, do you have any hopes of the studio fixing it, when a new game comes?
Chaos alignment...if I can consider it that (I don't)
This is why i hate open world games. They either give you fuck all rewards ( or so little that you need to find 5-10x more loot like it ) or they force you to explore every avenue if you dont want to have too bad of a time.
@@AngRyGohan i personally enjoyed the exploration for SMT V, because it was something new to the series, I had fun finding the miman, besides one in Teito area. This specific segment in the video was funny though
@@Fermin-hw5pd koshimizu big W
Doesnt games like Pokemon also have levels affect damage? Or some final fantasy?
Level scaling killed subsequent playthroughs to me. I've finished Nocturne and SMT4 atleast 3 times each. But ho estly IDGAF if my build choices matter less than what arbitrary level I am. I didn't use my brain to figure out how to get to level 95, I killed the same mitama over and over for an hour because strategy is meaningless in a numbers game.
Devil Survivor Overclocked also has level scaling but on NG+ you can turn off the EXP limiter so you'll get more doing less free battles
Oh, God, here we go again.
Fr 🤣🤣🤣
I'm totally agree with all points in this vid. I mostly appreciates the Quality of Life improvements this game has especially in demon fusions. The story.... lackluster. It doesn't provoke thoughts much than previous iteration regardless of routes/endings. The ost is good, good enough imo. Absolutely loving the Shiva battle ost btw.
Rants? The demifiend part should be in the base game not as paid dlc. Totally angry on this because this dlc gives more exposure of the story in each and every fiend battle [except for ghost rider]. I honesty believe that this demifiend dlc is a cut content.
The grind kinda necessitates you to buy the mitama dlc what with poor exp gain in every fight except for quest and boss battles. Obviously, our new gaming trend of 'creating a problem and sell the solution'.
By itself, Imma give this game 7 out of 10. It is good but you won't miss anything big if you skip this game. In the grand scale of SMTverse, i'd give this game a 6. I wanna give it 5 but the Quality of Life is what sorely needed in SMT/Persona games from now on.
whats the start of conclusion song?
Let's just hope Atlus actually listens to these kinds of critiques when Vengeance comes around.
@@freshcrystalmangos Nope, they did not. Of course they didn't Atlus don't care about making good games anymore.
DUDE, i wait soo excited for this video after see your tweet. I agree with you about the story. But the gameplay, i fucking enjoy like a child playing it. In my opinion, i believe that megaten (mainline) never has a great "story" but an stuning narrative. Megaten V fail in narrative too. Soo, well, thats is the point of the life, meet persons with diferents opinions and compare it, learn about it and... Yeah, thats bullshit.
I thought SMTIV and Strange Journey were decent in narrative, but yeah all the spin-off games (Devil Summoner, Persona, Digital Devil Saga, Devil Survivor, etc) just have far more interesting overall narratives than mainline.
It's a sort of messed up irony that the sequels we wait the longest for often end up being underwhelming in a lot of ways despite how long they had to be developed. People can say that it's from having high expectations for it but I find that a crappy excuse since of course i'm gonna expect something that's been in development/a long time coming to be really good. Why wouldn't I when the games/movies/books/whatever that came before it managed to impress me enough to want to stick with the series?
Hey dad just curious but what are your thoughts on devil survivor?
Is the game footage on an emulator? Looks less blurry and 60fps.
I'm currently about 100hrs into SMTV and I have to agree with a lot of your points. Graphically it's mediocre, technically it's subpar, and the dungeons are just plain awful. The plot is not even worth mentioning.
The only reasons I haven't put it down is because I'm really enjoying the battle system, the soundtrack, and the demon's designs. I really want to see what the higher level demons look like and read the lore behind them. Choosing and fusing demons to make a new one, being able to break one down for its skills and affinities is so satisfying.
Overall, I would actually recommend this game to someone who likes JRPGs because Ifeel they would need to decide for themselves if it's good or not.
I nitpicked at a bunch of different things and complain about it a lot while playing but I'm actually enjoying it. I know a few people are commenting on the difficulty but I haven't really had any problems with it being too tough. I can definitely see myself playing it again a couple years down the line.
I'm playing it again this year (second play) and I'd say even if it's graphically not top tier it looks better than much Nintendo Switch games but I guess that it's thanks to the art direction. Technically it's still lacking but it's perfectly playable nonetheless. And the dungeons are fine, except maybe for the last one, but it's artistically beautiful so it can be forgiven. Although, I think world as a whole is the dungeon this time. And if we see it that way it's excellent. The plot is worth mentioning because it has very good elements, and the story and lore behind is actually very very interesting and well thought, the only issue we all have with the game is the way they tell this story, in other words, its narrative direction. It's not interesting to follow but after you understand some things and what they depict you can actually start to like the plot.
I'm with you with your conclusion, people need to decide for themselves if it's good or not. For me, after being dissapointed at the first glance, I think it's surpassing my like for Fire Emblem Three Houses and it's my "new" favorite Nintendo Switch exclusive game. It does some things worse and some things better than SMT III Nocturne, so I can't decide which one is the best. Better enjoy both although I'm more into games like IV and Strange Journey.
Guess I'm just one of those psychopaths that enjoyed basically everything about the game. I get it has flaws but idk, they just weren't enough to bother me. I do think people kinda exaggerate how bad some things are tho. V def isn't the best, but it's not offensively bad
I loved it too. The game felt like a love letter to Nocturne fans and was Nocturne with quality of life improvements and has become my favorite in the franchise. As someone who was let down by 4 and 4A, this was an awesome game for me.
Same, i really enjoyed the game, just wish it had a better story and more dungeons.
The sidequests, music (not as good as IV's but still fire), gameplay (more specifically the way you could make any demon good, shoutout to my level 99 Idun) and the exploration kept me thoroughly entertained. I hope VI gets better writers.
Definitely no exaggeration for me. The game bored me so much i couldn’t finish it. And i put in fifty hours
Happy to see a lot of other people liking it. I had a lot of gripes with the game but I don’t think it’s a bad jrpg, it’s just a bad smt game in my eyes when compared to the other games
I literally bought the collector's edition because I was so excited about the game and now I never want to play it again and probably will sell all this shit off eventually. I'm definitely not exaggerating, the game was just a huge disappointment and the more I think about it the worse it gets. There are just genuinely a lot of people who have a lot of issues with the game. Good that you like it, but why downplay that people genuinely dislike it lmfa0
Is that a PC or Switch version my friend?
Please I need to know.
thoughts on v vengeance trailer?
SMTV really shows that this game was helmed by EO's director. Some of the mechanics present in SMTV were prevalent in older EO titles. I love EO a lot, but man SMTV proves that what generally works (or is even remotely ok) in EO does not translate well into SMT.
EO?
@@TheShiningEnergy Etrian Odyssey. Another dungeon crawler rpg published by Atlus. Made by the same studio who did Persona Q games and Strange Journey maps.
@@shinyanakagawa8241 ahh. ok. thanks.
I would love to see you do a video on a modern game you genuinely enjoyed, you’ve also got some of the best editing I’ve seen on this platform.
He has a video on SMT4, unless a 2014 game is somehow not modern.
@@drbuni 2014 was almost ten years ago now. That’s arguably aging past modern.
@@chillchinna4164 most games from 2014 still feel modern lmao
ayo man when will the Soul Hackers 1 and Persona 1 video coming out
What's the song that played around the 26:12 mark?
It’s SMT V Main Theme
Before I go into this let me say this is my first SMT game. It does make me wanna play the others. Yeah that story needs to be reworked in a special edition or something. These characters have nothing going for them and the story feels shorter than it is. The premise is really interesting and it can be saved. They need to flesh out the characters more and build up the story more. I really enjoyed the gameplay but that every thing else could really use some help.
@@tomvhresvelg9286 it's because of covid, Japan isn't falling off lol look around you
@@tomvhresvelg9286 why are you using genshin's success to show Japan falling off when it is literally a botw clone
@@tomvhresvelg9286 thanks for the laughs
@@tomvhresvelg9286 so you're admitting to being a robot.
@@tomvhresvelg9286 LOL okay I get it
Good thing people's personal experience should be the most important element, first and foremost. While I agree the story has issues and some pacing is a bit skewed, it doesn't really deter from the overall package.
The world is explorative, the music is amazing, the character design for the most part is top notch, the demon designs are all there... But I do agree with some of the stuff you said.
Now, does that make it a bad game? Not necessarily, in my opinion. However, I do understand why you think the game's bad, in your opinion.
And that's something I can respect, what with going against the grain.
I don't agree with you, but I respect your right to voice your opinion.
I can't respect people saying this game is worst than 4 have you played 4 have you met the angels and then never seen them again in the endings? Getting to fight them only in an extra mission? Thats what i call anti-climatic honestly 4 is so rushed and worst it treats a mainline title with less attention than a spin off
The game is pretty.
So, I should just download the models and music.
So, its not a game, then?
@@mimszanadunstedt441 toxic
@@mimszanadunstedt441 🤨
@@lambdadelta190 >it's rushed and treated with less attention because you don't fight the angels in the endings
alright youtube comment game critique, thank you for the valuable insight.
How many other smt games require you to be on level to do damage?
Devil Survivor Overclocked
What is the music from 26:13? Is it an OST from SMT5?
It was used in one of the early SMTV trailer vids.
The ending of the game
I was p fine w/ the level scaling, did every boss marginally underleveled just fine through melding my team to the current boss/massive overworld enemy and with careful resource management through items and conserving MP across a pretty long battle, super satisfying. I adored how the final area (Outside of the pretty simplistic dungeon before the finale) let you tackle the bosses in an open-ended way, I enjoyed how the game didn't lose all difficulty after the second main boss, an issue SMT 4 and Nocturne had which personally had me nearly drop them a few times.
Personally, I felt level scaling was bad. The point of levels is to determine how high your stats are. If I had 10 in every stat at level 1, and had 10 in every stat at level 99, then I should be doing the same amount of damage regardless of the level gap to the enemy, not suffer a debuff just cause the enemy is a higher level. It also made the game extremely easy, since the most you really need to do is match the enemy’s level or at the very least be relatively close and you’ll do good amount of damage regardless of what stats you decide to increase. I did a run where I completely ignored any offense stats and my damage output was still really good. Makes building your character feel pointless unless your trying to min max demifiend or something. I feel like level shouldn’t influence your damage, but your damage stats should influence your damage
There's this moment in SMT4 that really stood out to me. While exploring, you can find a room with a demon and a human just chilling there and drinking alcohol. They set their differences aside to enjoy themselves together over beer, and that single room with a short dialogue between them gives 4 so much life to its world, and it's not the only moment like that.
There's nothing of the sorts in 5. That world is completely dead and empty, and that's not a compliment.
Tbh, at this point I'm just waiting for Maniax Edition and ability to play it on something stronger than a toaster.
Story is atrocious, but with some tweaks, addition and added/rewritten plotlines it could become quite enjoyable.
6:51 That only if you ignore the boss before that one , or even the whole set of all "chaos-aligned" enemy dialogs and sidequests (which are not part of the main plot but they do make a bit of storytelling) ._.
I mean the whole "remake the world" plot only comes up from nothing if you ignore what Lahmu wanted to do.
I think this game needs a directors cut. Also, good video Simply Dad, loved the cat edits
Don’t think that would help tbh.
I like how he edits, always hilarious xd
as someone who’s never played a smt game, this was a first one for me. Although I enjoyed it, I have to admit everything you said was honestly my thoughts through my second gameplay. It’s such a shame even for a game that was in development for so many years ended up like this :(
edit: learned recently it’ll be getting a rerelease with new content. Hopefully it’ll fix everything lmao 😭
Yep this game is good for beginners. I got my best friend who hated smt games to play it, it's super easy and simple.
@@tomvhresvelg9286 what
@@tomvhresvelg9286 are you insane
@@tomvhresvelg9286 you’re delusional
@@tomvhresvelg9286 lemme ask you something. What are you smoking and who is your dealer?
I could never get into the game again after playing it for a bit. I will say that this kinda had lower expectations than I expected, especially with me completing Nocturne HD.
There have been times where I wanted to get back into playing it but hearing that you need grind out levels just to be strong to fight really shows that I’ll be in battle with one tedious area over and over.
Nocturne at least gave me an interest to continue the game and it felt proper with different difficulties. Merciful felt very easy as merciless is hard as expected unlike this game.
I might try to return to the game but that’s after I finish the games I have left. Which is a lot.
Quests exist for a reason.
does this guy like anything lmfao
No
@@LezSpringfield Yes, you just falsley claim they do not because they did not like a low quality game which is inferior to past entries.
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu i didn’t claim anything. if you pay close attention you will see that i asked a question
@@LezSpringfield A rhetorical one. His channel is filled with games he likes almost all past SMT entries and 3 persona games as only one example. Someone not liking a low quality game does not mean they hate everything
@@JamesBurdon-gu5yu ok thanks
Makes me want a big wheel of cheese tbh
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Tbh, the story DID suck ass, but at least I had gameplay and some side missions to enjoy!
Plus, there's probably going to be a maniax re-release soon, knowing Atlus.
Sorry you didn't get to enjoy it, I did figure it wasn't going to be everyone's cup of tea.
(also, i think Atlus's latest writing slump is probably the lack of Kaneko involved)
Still waiting for your thoughts on SMT V Vengeance
I'm one of those people that say gameplay is king, so even if the story is bad, I can still love a game with great gameplay. But SMT5 drops the ball pretty hard. Like the moment to moment decisions in battle are still cool, the demon customization and press turn system will never get old, but the level scaling almost completely ruins the whole experience. Like what is even the point of creating a character or demon build when all of your damage and defense is determined by how close to your opponents level you are. And not only does it wholly determine your damage potential, but also your dodging, your accuracy, your ailment abilities, and even your freaking crit chance. It's so stupid. It kills replayability too because now you know the only thing gatekeeping you from beating a boss is literally your level, not your strategy, or your stats or weaknesses, but you literally just haven't spent enough time grinding.
I still had fun with this game because the press turn system is just that good, and the story while confused and horribly paced, did keep me interested with it's talk of the throne of creation, the Nahobinos origins, the difference between Gods and Demons and its implications for the SMT universe, but man I can't play it again like I could with the others, and I'm definitely going to wait to see how the next game turns out before I buy it. I'd hate to see the next game drop the ball so hard again.
Also I freaking hate the Magatsuhi gauge, it's just annoying to randomly have to block every few turns because the enemy suddenly has instant crits on everyone. Especially if you get in a fight with a random enemy, they ambush you, then immediately go into magatsuhi mode so you have to skip another turn just blocking. I get that you could kill them all that turn if your strong enough, but thats not always possinle, especially with the level scaling. And I don't like how OP it is when you use it either. Not to mention they give you the best magatsuhi skill right at the beginning.
personally, smt5 was one of the most fun i had in a mainline smt gameplay wise. but goddamn i cant even remotely defend the story outside of chad dazai, who (especially in the 4th daat) felt like a law twist on walter at least in terms of personality, which i really enjoyed honestly. still tho id honestly rather take DDS, Devil Summoner, and 4 for story than 5, no doubt. also formatting it to story>gameplay>endings instead of gameplay>story>endings was a bit fucky.
i really liked playing 5, despite its massive fuckups, since the gameplay (especially combat and demon fusion/party building) and visuals honestly carried the game for me since the story was so lackluster. i didnt notice the whole level gate issue you brought up, but ill admit thats just anecdotal. really hope that at the very least the demon fusion in 6 is elaborated upon and the combat (especially the magatsuhi meter gimmick) is better balanced since the critical magatsuhi move, with as honestly OP as it is, being the default starting move made most of the game way easier than it should be for a mainline smt.
oh also yeah one of the biggest fuck ups 5 constantly does for me was the illusion of choice options it kept throwing at me.
i just generally hate illusion of choice dialogue options in games, and even though i loved playing 5, those moments really annoyed me
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also FUCK YAKUMO. WHAT A DISSAPOINTMENT. hes literally just worse senator armstrong but instead of ANY the appeal armstrong has, he gets an asian wife. what the fuck atlus
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4:15 The throne of creation got mentioned before that moment half a dozen times. The fight vs Camael, the talks with Koshimizu, Lahmu, and more.
6:55 The chaos faction does get their points across plenty of times...admittedly most of it through 'enemy trying to convert you' type dialogue which ain't the best.
13:20 I will say, as someone who played strength for the first time, playing strength build feels like an inferior experience. There's already so many physical-focused demons that I wished I had gone with magic or support or literally anything else half a dozen times
16:50 Honestly my least favourite part of the level gating is that when you miss a piece of content you were supposed to do earlier it gets easy as piss.
17:10 I started hard mode on my first playthrough, some things took up a few tries, yakumo was hard, but everything was doable
21:00 Tao leaving made sense story wise. She's there to guide the new creator. If you refuse to be that new creator, of course she'd fuck off.
28:55 This is implying that the ratio of good to mid songs was better in previous games. Not in most of them.
What’s the song at 2:13 ?
Da'at: Konan