MIKEY'S TITLEIST GT FITTING // Can the GT possibly beat Mike’s unfailing TSR?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- Today, Mikey is in Oceanside, California to be fitted by Chris Baingo at the Titleist Performance Institute.
Looking into the new line, we will see if it’s possible to pry his current Titleist out of his hand after having one of the best driving seasons of his life with the TSR4.
The new GT line consists of three models. GT2 is designed for speed and forgiveness across the face with a higher-MOI setup. GT3 is designed for fine-tuned speed and control, maximizing distance and optimizing flight. GT4 is a low-spin, 430cc driver designed to eliminate excessive spin and deliver a fast, penetrating trajectory.
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Claims around the 6-7 minute mark of biggest carry and highest speed so far, yet the TSR3 gamer was higher on both when he hit it at the beginning… 🤔
thinking the same thing
Saw the same, fascinating...
We need to get Mikey to finish over his lead foot... he jumps back and hangs on that rear foot.
first thing I thought too!
Good advert. Topped 150 ball speed out of the gates with TSR and didn’t touch that speed again with any of the head/shaft/weight adjustments.
Best smash factor on TSR.
The Trackman outdoors data gap vs indoor on GC is mind boggling.
Worked with both Trackman and GC Quad - GC Quad driver numbers are pretty sketchy imo, any low spin drives go way further on them than they actually would, generally records clubhead speed faster too. Ball speed is always bang on and can’t complain about them at all for irons but Trackman still the gold standard for me
It's quite intriguing to see Mikey, who was fitted by one of the world's best fitters, Ian, achieving an additional 20 yards simply by changing the driver head. Ian has consistently praised the quality of the TSR driver, so it's surprising to witness such a significant gain if Mikey's fit was already optimized. It raises questions about the true performance difference between driver generations and suggests there might be some marketing exaggeration at play... no doubt GT a good driver, but this seems a bit over the top...good content none the less
I believe Mikey cares more about looks over performance.
Who doesn’t! 😊
There’s virtually no difference between TSR and GT if you actually compare data across videos. Save the $200 and get a TSR
It's more about getting fit into the correct club head / shaft for your current swing. If you were to get fit 8 times over a 2 year period, you would probably be able to find meaningful gains multiple times without ever feeling like you've made a significant improvement.
If people could reasonablely get properly fit into older (1-3 years) clubs, the whole 'new clubs are always better' argument falls like a house of cards
@@Itheral I think that fits my point even more. Ian and Mike have access to the best equipment every day and can tweak their clubs weekly based on their swings if they wanted. So, when they say they brought their gamer to beat, I would hope they would bring their tuned driver. But when someone says, 'I only put on a new head' and gains about 20 yards... come on now.
Even Ian's tried and true SIM, which is quite old in this space of gearheads, still held up like a beast in that video he just did at TPI. All good, great drivers love the new 13.5. Keep up the good vids TXG
I had a GT fitting yesterday and left empty handed! My current tsr 3 was longer and more consistent. As the GT is confirmed lower moi than tsr, this wasn't a surprise. I was gutted, but I saved a load of cash 😂
I had the exact same experience!! I was dying to spend my cash! But honestly no appreciable difference from my TSR to GT
Good to hear. I love my TSR and don’t even want to hit the GT out of fear of having to replace it 😂 I got fit for a Mavrik Sub Zero in 2021 that I hit very far but could never hit straight, so after losing a dozen balls OB, I went and got a Ping G425 max, then I got frustrated that I was never far enough down the fairway. I did a fitting once TSR came out haven’t looked back!
Where did you get that from that the GT has lower MOI than TSR? Genuinely curious as I’ve heard literally from the horses mouth that that’s not the case
@@JSGolfer I think there might be a bit of accidental interchanging of the terms “MOI” and “CG” MOI as we know from being fans of TXG is a “measure” of forgiveness (e.g. Ping 10k Max, Qi10) where CG is the “location” of the center of gravity. I think what was meant is that since with GT the weight track moved closer to the face, the CG is different between GT and TSR which may be why OP had better results with TSR. I’m not a physics expert but I’m sure CG can be moved without altering MOI, and changes to CG can affect delivery and launch conditions
@@djmico0713 yeah that would make sense, as the MOI through the new crown has certainly improved
Incredible how many people go into new equipment videos just wanting to hate new gear.
The point of a fitting is to improve misses and improve average data, which Mikey clearly did in every important ball variant… that he’s hit a 152 mph ball speed once with his TSR is absolutely irrelevant as the rest was quite inconsistent.
In fitting terms, the spin, ball speed and carry an average was all improved against TSR.
And he even said at the start of the video, “your TSR isn’t far off” which doesn’t mean the TSR is dog shit, it means it’s completely gameable, but, you could gain a bit more…
Jesus 🙈
Agree. All of these guys saying, "He hit it farther with the TSR". Even if companies say, "Our longest driver ever", or "Fastest ball speeds ever". Doesn't mean that your gonna hit it 10 yards further. It's all about the misses...
Why not have him hit TSR AFTER he was warmed up? They never went back to it after hitting GT… he did hit 150s with Tsr but the fitter says these are your best numbers so far and they were not! He says you walked in at 227.. so you take his worst one and that’s what he walked in with? Because some to Gt swings were worse.
Have been in GT3 8 15 18 for 10 days and I’m in love, vs. my TSR3 which were my favorites to-date. GT managed my fraction into heel miss with significantly tighter spin, and it feels really hot and fast. The fairway woods are easy to hit high with a flat flight. I loved and still recommend TSR3 but I’m a full GT convert as of now. Cheers boys, great content as always.
Similar numbers and improvement to Mikey from my GT fit. Mine should arrive by the 13th and can't wait! Thanks John Bean from Titleist Woburn, great experience and fit even though I wasn't swinging my best on the day, appreciate your patience with all my questions.
This is a real fitting for a good player!
Mike isn’t or neither am I or probably 90% on here aren’t that great either from day to day.
I’ve just had two really bad rounds this week. Last one, I wasn’t sure what end of the club to hit! Crazy!! 🤪
Similar to what I said and my experience. Some days I doubt I could be fit...nothing would help.
The Snap-On golf cart is totally awesome.
Now we know why drivers are so expensive. Gotta pay for the 20K fitting cart somehow lol
The smash factor is off the charts. ❤
Good sessions guys. I enjoy watching fitters get fitted! To me, I feel like equipment is getting close to maxing out at this point. Just a feel I get from the equipment sector. Its an odd game.... I am playing my best golf in years with only a Mini Driver (no driver or 3w), 12 year old Mizzy MP irons with a 13 year old Ping Craz-e putter to boot. Great fitting by Tim at CC Calgary on the Mini Driver and total guess work by me on the rest of the bag. LOL! Odd game we play.
I have an 8° GT3 with the Tensei 1k Blue 65X on the way… Hit it so well at my fitting. 13.5° GT2 3w turned up to 14.25° with the HZRDUS 70g 6.5 as well. Thing is a rocket.
Mikey great fit. Can’t wait to see how these clubs help you on the course.
I have almost identical swing metrics to Mikey and had similar gains in distance, ball speed and tighter dispersion with less spin when testing the GT3 1k Blue stock shaft compared to my gamer TSR / expensive custom shaft, and I also compared 100 rounds of driver data from my Arccos account. Ave total drive during the 30 minute fitting at the Titleist Studio went from 240 to 265 yards with the GT. I went into the fitting skeptical the GT could materially improve my TSR stats, but the numbers speak for themselves and potentially hitting 1-2 club lengths less from more fairways into greens was worth the investment for greater enjoyment as an avid golfer. Definitely take the time to get fitted to optimize all that the new drivers / shafts have to offer for each of our unique swings, regardless of which brand.
TSi 3 is still the benchmark for me at 95mph +3AoA and consistent strike
Second video I've seen with this fitter - he's really good - I like the way he relays information.
BUT - the "da da da da, RIGHT!?" "da da da da, RIGHT!?" every other sentence is killing me
The ONLY way to know what club is best is to take them out ON THE GOLF COURSE.. go to a tee hit 3 to 5 which each (clearly marked of course) and see which are longer, in fairway etc… and then do it again and again..
Get it, Mikey!
I liked Mikey's old golf swing better. The falling back off the left side isn't ideal.
Completely agree with your comment
I was fitted for GT2 11 deg (C3) with Tensei 1k Blue S 55. Got an additional 7mph ball speed and +20m distance over my old Titleist 913D2. But the real story for me was the much improved dispersion and ball speed retention on poorer swings (need all the help I can get 😅!).
The Titleist fitter made the comment, "My job is to control North/South dispersion, If you ever figure out East/West direction, let me know." Um, what? There are lots of options with a club fitting to assist players in helping their left/right misses. That's literally the job of a fitter is to help with that. The Titleist lineup doesn't give much in terms of moveable weight to help control left/right shot direction but there are plenty of other things that can be explored with a player. Surprising statement.
You can put all the weight and stuff in specific places and swing path and face control is still going to play a bigger part.
His club path is around minus -7 and his face can vary quite a bit too. There’s only so much a club fitter can do with those numbers.
I picked up 15 to 20 yards switching from TSR3 to AI Smoke Triple Diamond. Same Ventus Black 7X shaft.
Can't wait to get my TSR3 in a few months
While there's no doubt the new GT series is great and has killer looks, there are multiple independent reviews and comparisons and the gains over the previous gen TSR are minimal if any. It's possible forgiveness is up but definitely not speed and distance.
Is that Chris from Big V? He's the man!
152 ball speed out the TSR at the very start 💪
Did the fitter not see Mike’s second tsr numbers - the TSR is out performing the GT.
28:09, this is why seeing Mikey getting fit is so good, IMO. He is admittedly not a range rat, he has said as much that he doesn’t work on stuff [note his path got more and more left, even as both Ian and the fitter pointed it out]. He needs to be fit for his miss, not the 1oo10 shot that is a decent swipe at the ball.
Titleist is slipping in Left Dash balls with the GT to show the massive jump in ball speed and using Pro V1 balls during the baseline with the gamer.
Mikey’s swing seems to be going backwards due to trying smash the ball, I know the feeling 😢
The high spin rate of others always baffles me. Can you guys find some low spin fast swingers to showcase a fitting for? (Now that I look at Mike’s driver swing, it looks like he’s trying to hit a flop shot with it. No wonder he’s getting such high spin. I think it’s time for a swing change Mikey 🤘🏼)
I agree as i did a fitting with competitor brand and everything he put me in was 9 degree up and 900 spin . I can fit better than him i lofted up my driver and got my draw back and 20 yds more carry and roll.
It seems like everyone swings with their right hand. Never been a fan of that. I always hit it fat like that. It seems like there's too much timing with that concept.
Kinda proves that TSR is literally just as good. A lot of the carry was down with TSR because of strike on the face. But had higher ball speed than the GT
Mikey needs the feel of posting hard on his right leg almost straight with more left leg bend. With the feel of trying to hit a cut.
Different subject here. Were you able to test or use the Left Dot while you were there? Interested to see what you think if you were able to get your hands on them. Great job as always, Lads.
Looks like every driver test I've done with high quality Equipment results all over the map depending on strike location, path, and face. But all results are generally similar.
8 degree driver with 100 mph clubhead speed…epic fitting fail
What is Mikey doing about the way too neg club path and spinning/falling backwards in the follow through? There's so much more to be gained with an inside path and posting on left side.
Go Mike!
I've been fitted for the GT4 dfiver with the Tensei 1K Blue 50x. This is the standard shaft with no upcharge, whats the difference between this shaft and the 1K Blue Pro 50x ?
This is what we all fear when putting the time and money into a fitting, having the fitter straight up lie about the numbers trying to sell the newest, more expensive product. Glad that it doesn't apply to everyone.
Mikey, was that a stock tensei blue or the 1K model in the driver fit?
TSR3 until the next rendition where they put weights in front and back.
This fitter is very funny….right..? 😂😂😂 In this video at least one hundred times….right…? 😊😊
..why didn't he try the same shaft in the GT3 and GT4? When I had my fitting it just seemed the were pushing the GT2, I hit all three drivers with the same shaft even though the GT2 after 45 minutes was the best, I asked the put the shaft I felt good with into the GT3 and GT4 and let me try again, picked up 2 MPH and 3-5 more yards with he GT3 over GT 2 so thats what I went with.
Went to CC got fitted for GT
Everything was better. Just not a lot compared to my gamer to justify the price tag
I’m screaming at the TV. STOP HITTING DOWN ON YOUR DRIVER!
Yeah, cause I'm sure Mikey is intentionally hitting down...🥴
The first strike was 241 carry with tsr... and then he hit heaps of balls with the gt getting warmed up and the tsr still was right there.
Should do 5 shots with tsr and 5 with gt alternating so it's fair, but u can't sell it if it's the same 😂😂
It's all about the misses
What were the final specs on the 5 wood?
Mikey lives 🍀
What does the fitter mean when he says the 16.5 5-wood is +4??
28:24 They were NOT talking about loft and lie angles. He was most likely referring to using a 4 gram heavier weight in the head (or, less likely, a Golf Pride Plus4 grip). Mikey's 16.5 degree 5-wood is short at 41.5 inches. Standard length for the Titleist 16.5 fairway is 43 inches and the 18 degree standard length is 42 inches, so 41.5 is quite a bit shorter than standard 43. When he said it was "+4" he was most likely referring to using a 4 gram heavier weight in the head to increase the swing weight back to where they wanted it. The shorter shaft would have decreased the swing weight so adding the 4g heavier weight in the head would have increased the swing weight by two points to counteract the short shaft.
Less likely that he was referring to the grip that they used, but Golf Pride makes some of their grips in a "Plus4" model, which have less taper to create a larger lower hand "that simulates 4 extra tape layers for lighter grip pressure and more control." The Plus4 grip models also weigh a few grams more, so that would have affected the club's balance and decreased the swing weight even more (in addition to the shorter shaft) so I'm guessing that is not what he meant by "plus 4."
If you google search "Titleist Surefit" and go to the Titleist Surefit information page in the first search result, scroll down to where it says "Fitting Headweight" and also just below that where it says "SureFit Weight Options"
Yah I think they built it with MCC Plus 4, it’s a bit heavier than the standard MCC…
I figured it was a little bit of extra weight to balance the shortened shaft.. but it would make sense to be a heavier grip as well.. hope they see this and clarify 😅
@@snlee06 the Titleist site has a page that explains it well if you search Surefit
Fun video. Definitely some marketing at play with some of the comments around 6-7 minutes. TSR had higher numbers.
It kind of disinsentivizes me to get fit again when these guys get fit by-monthly, and they always need something different. Im way worse than both sonwhat chance do I have that the driver I fit today actually fits me tomorrow?
Walked in at 227? First drive carried 241 matey boi
We all know what Mikey needs to do to get more speed.
Yes. He needs to lose weight. Otherwise he’s in for a world of hurt. It’s time to go rigorously low-carb. Those who truly love him will tell him this truth.
Thanks Doctor! Where did go to medical school?
@@redpillpharmacy6877 The low-carb fad is old and tired, please stop with this nonsense. Mikey needs to LOWER his calories gradually over a long period of time and increase his activity level/get in the gym.
@@BLKMeSa It's no fad. It's science. Be not afraid to get real; really real.
He’s overweight and needs to do whatever makes sense to reduce. Until he does, he’s going to have a difficult time getting off his right side and no club adjustment is going to fix that to his satisfaction.
His ball speed and carry number with driver and 3 wood are the same 🤷♂️ surely this is a bad fit ?
I was thinking the same thing
The smash factors with driver were low but recovered with FW woods. I think young Mikey might have been struggling with his driver delivery. It happens.
It’s because he is SO inefficient with driver
I think the GT3 has sacrificed too much MOI this year. The actual numbers have been confirmed in the Golftec and Cool Clubs review, it's as about as forgiving as the original SIM. I think it's an elite players option and if your a 8/9 handicapper who wants to create or counter a draw/fade, I don't think GT3 is the product sadly, just not good enough on the misses compared to TSR or even TSi. Likewise the MOI on the GT2 has dropped off as well. I think Titleist are chasing ball speed gains on TH-cam videos in my opinion, but over 30/40 shots and season long performance, I think the average player is far better off with the previous 2 generations.
Why only 8 degree loft in driver?
high spin player
Driver shows nothing for him. Three wood was epic.
Enjoy seeing Mikey swing speeds are around the same as mine. Only thing I don’t like is that his driver is only going 225 carry. Mine is 245 on bad hit and 265 carry when hit correct with the same swing speed as Mikey. Feel he did better with the other Driver head.
There are no legit yards to be gained. But rather accuracy. Forget about how long you are hitting it on your best shots but rather how are the misses. Work on your short game = path to improvement
I appreciate your channel but these types of videos just feel like advertisements, not content
Not impressed at all with the numbers you guys are seeing there. Not in the zip code of 2.7 x swing speed. Just ordered a GT3 (8deg Fuji Black) and on my best drives was seeing OVER "Optimal" results in the 2.8X swing speed range. 3 yards extra carry and 6 yards extra total vs. my TSR3
There’s no improvement from Mikey on the GT2 from his gamer TSR3. Dude just wants newer.
Every other channel is showing GT the same or slower than TSR. This comes across as a commercial with claims of insane ball speed jumps. Either your TSRs were not well fit drivers for you or this is not very genuine.
Mikey’s fastest driver ball speed this video was with his TSR3 by 2mph over the GT2 and 3
Ya I agree unfortunately.. clubs are maxed out per the rule book. All the Gt videos I’ve seen though the spin rates are a little tighter and trend a little lower.
I think perhaps you’ve got that the wrong way around. We’re seeing more ball speed in our testing because we’re being fitted well. These are fitting videos though, we haven’t done our head to head testing yet. We start that next week when I’m back from vacation.
ya, retailers are showing increases, reviewers are showing the losses.
We are trying to get the best fit for driver that one can at the time.
The potential the new GT drivers are there but we are human not robots and they aren’t perfect either!
Mike did a great job under pressure especially with the fairways!!
When you look at the average of the TSR versus the GT, there’s not enough in this to consider even changing anything. The highest carry and distance came with the TSR. The new GT did not do much except on one occasion get a couple yards more. Seems like this was a fixed result.other test results on TH-cam by unbiassed users have shown the TSR to be every bit is good and then some cases almost better. It’s a gimmick and way overpriced.
What are you even talking about? The point of a fitting is to improve the average distance and miss hits, not a single best ball vs best ball? He drastically improved his heel strike performance and improved overall average carry, ball speed and consistency
And as the fitter said at the start, “your TSR is not far off at all”
If you go into the video wanted to hate near gear right away, what’s the point of even watching?
Why such bad path? And Mikey is a pretty good golfer.
Mikey drives it great!! It’s the best part of his game. His path ensures he hits a fade. His outcome of his delivery is strike dependent. If his catches it toe of centre he’s perfect, if he hits it in the middle he’s good but heel strike is the no no.
@@ianfrasergolf very well explained.
No idea why he’s in tsr3 or would look at gt3, not being rude, well I might be but surely he should hit a ping driver given that kind of inconsistency. No shock gt2 was best
Try putting a golf ball under the outside of the right foot when practicing. This will help your body to get used to turning!!!
Are you guys short,or is that dude 8 foot tall ? Lol
Zero gain in my fitting. TSR was faster and dispersion was better. I love Titleist but, these drivers are capped out.
I am wondering what the main stumbling block is with people being unable to get left and slapping off the back foot. I do the same thing as Mikey and no matter how hard I try it is always there slightly. Garrett Clark has the same move. Makes it hard to ever really know whether you will hit it well day to day. What's the best fix for Mikey to be able to get left? Club fitting sure, but the most gains will be had with a better move, and I know he is capable. Will just take the right instructor to trigger the fix.
Use step drills. Start with your feet together, rock the club forward and then as you swing the club back take a step forward and feel the lead leg plant and push. There a number of causes from incorrect set up (lacking proper spin angle to turn behind it), to being told not to sway at all costs, and not getting the arms started soon enough to catch up.
Setup, he needs to feel more weight in his heels, watch his right heel, it gets off the ground way to fast, stand a bit taller, in transition he’s super quick, he needs his right shoulder to drop more straight down, his moves towards the ball, he’s over the top. And he needs to feel more pressure on his left side while still staying back at the top. Think about hitting the ball a clubhead behind the ball. That will get path more right while allowing the time for the club to be more square. You can see his face to path is close to -10, that will always result in a pull slice.
I’m not saying this is easy, and you really only need to focus on the right shoulder and the “bump” move towards the target to start. I mean 240 carry 270 total. I’m guessing Mike is an 8-10?
Also just get AoA to +2 and that’s another 10-15 yards.
Yep, that’s why he’s a solid 3 wood player. Also he knows all of this. He works with Trackman all day. When your 3 wood and driver are the same swing speed, ball speed is way too similar. It’s just setup and AoA. -2 with 3 wood is perfect.
Watch Dana Dahlquist’s TH-cam channel. He does a great job at explaining getting left. He emphasizes this has to be achieved before progressing. It was a game changer for me 👍
Sure GT may be better but think this shows how poorly fit Mikey was previously with that TSR3. That TSR3 had way too little loft and bad shaft fitting caused him to try and modify his delivery
That’s actually not the case at all. Mikey’s working on changing his swing quite a bit. He used to hit up on it much more than he does now therefore less loft worked really well for him. As his swing evolves through the changes we’ll have to modify as we go.
Mikey better get his diet under control, otherwise he’s headed for a world of hurt. It’s time to go rigorously low-carb.
improving your swing and fitness will probably gain you more yards than club. my stealth 2 plus is longer than the gt3 by 10 yards. it's not the club, its the swinger. i hit it 300 yards with my stealth 2 plus and i am 59 yrs old.