True, just like we are most likely to die in a car accident than in an airplane accident, and 99% of humans died in earth than in space, sometimes, statistics sucks.
The Boeing 737's reversers are deployable within 90cm from the ground . The pilot can decide to deploy them before touchdown in wet or windy conditions, so the aircraft has more breakpower at the beginning of the landing roll and avoid big bounces. He didn't do anything wrong, he won't get fired. He just got the aircraft, crew and passangers safely on the ground. Cheers from Brazil.
ooke2567 if you are that close you aren't gonna be able to go around without touching down first. And planes can do go arounds after reversers are deployed. The speed brakes auto deploy if reverse is engaged and the wheels touch the ground and auto retract when the engine is brought up in power from idle.
For those who don't know, bellow 10ft the 737 is able to select reverse thrust. Also that day when this happened, the weather was really bad (Storm Doris) and go-arounds was not a good option
It is clear that you think you know something about the subject, yet in reality you know nothing about the subject. The fact you write 'go-arounds (sic) was not a good option' tells that plain and clear. I guess if you are stupid enough and have a low self esteem, that makes you do it. To feel validated or something. In any case, you are laughable.
@@gubocci something i posted 2 years ago and youre here insulting just tells me your self esteem is so low you have to go out of your way to insult someone on youtube. the actual term "Go-Around" is an actual term pilots use. may not be the correct way, but pilots use it as its simpler to say go around then what ever you are trying to spit here.
I noticed that too, in my guess he must have been facing some failure with flaps because his flaps aren't extended fully, which indicates the increased speed on final approach, so to slow down the plane substantially on ground he must have used reverse thrusters. Its just my thought, what do you think ?
There is a feature in the 737 that allows T\R WHILE AIRBORNE. if the rad alt is 10 or less, it can send a signal to the air\grnd logic relay, release the interlock and allow pilots to deploy Thrust reverse.
B737 has radio altitude Thrust Reverser activation, 10 feet or so above ground level ot can be activated. It is one of the procedures to land the aircraft approved by Boeing but dependent on individual company policy
I've done that and it scares the shit out of you. The aircraft drops like a rock, and for the fools who say it cannot happen. They have never flown the 737 classic. Thrust reverse can be selected below 10 feet RA
He's right, it drops like a rock (I flew the 737-300 from 2003-2006) and scares the bejesus out of you, Captain did it once -you really gotta be ahead of the a/c.
[Tower 1] Can you give me a number crunch real quick? [Tower 2] Uhhh.. yeah, gimme a sec… I’m coming up with thirty-two point three three uh, repeating of course, percenta... [Ryanair] LEEEEEEEEEEEE...
I love Ryanair and people who shit the airline are not the brightest. You literally get what you pay for, if not more. It costs me almost the same price to get to an airport as it costs to get from London back home. Last time I paid around 40 GBP both ways.
I love how so many people comment without knowing anything about plane of aviation... Perfectly safe and good landing according to the weather conditions.
No, it wasnt, you stupid fuck. The fact it didn't crash doesnt mean it was safe and good landing. You can walk tightrope between skyscrapers and not fall, yet that isnt safe, at all. "Plane of aviation"... 🤣
Thats actually really cool. Big props to the skills of the pilot for judging the right time to hit the air brake and bring the bad boy to the ground. You could see the plane not wanting to come down and there is a lot of wind blowing too on the air craft.
You write like a child, you think like a child. Props to the skills? Props for breaking the correct procedure? I hope you'll be on a plane that crashes because of a pilot breaking procedure. Lets see you giving props then. Oh no wait, you are dead.
I know nothing about flying a plane or the rules on the 737 procedure for reverse thrust before touchdown... watching over and over: This pilot absolutely smashed it! Commitment to land 1st time and it looked pretty smooth actually. Great success Ryan Air! The expression "Always allow for variable change" springs to mind.. The Pilot Did a great job in my eyes as a potential customer.. Did whatever it took to get the job done in the best way possible at that time. I like this video and all the responses below.
I've seen closer calls than that while performing maintenance on the runway signage of runway 04-22 at AMS (outside of the 100yd from centerline area of an active runway, but only by a few metres). Which was rather scary, cause with the storm in my back, these rather unstable flying aircraft had their noses pointed at me while rocking side to side. One even came as close as maybe a foot from the ground before bouncing on the main gear. Props to these skilled pilots.
I once flew Ryan Air into Limerick Pilot came in too fast, so he did a trick: He reversed in mid air, instead of doing a flare And I was scared stiff as a stick
@@bfc3057 It was a joke. Ryanair used to have a reputation for misleadingly advertising their destinations (e.g,. they used to sell tickets to "Hamburg" while actually landing in Lübeck Blankensee, which is a very small airport south of the city of Lübeck, about 70 kilometres away from Hamburg, basically in the middle of nowhere. I don't know if they still do it. TBH I avoid flying low cost airlines. They exploit their employees and sacrifice safety for profit margin.
Last time I flew to France with Ryanair, a squall came out of nowhere just as we were landing.....the pilots managed a VERY scary landing. Props to these guys!
What i think: Normally they land at STN rwy22 with flaps 40 in order to vacate first speedway but in such weather use if flaps 40 isn't a good idea due to wind gusts so they were trying to stop really fast with flaps 30
Yes, I'm not a pilot, but being not a pilot does not mean that we are not qualified to discuss this aviation matter. There are a lot of people here flying using FSX like me. If you want a professional opinion, then TH-cam comments is not for you.
This place is full of experts on everything. And I am one of them. Having studied the passengers' safety instructions of a 737 Iet me enlighten you lesser experts that there can be a case when actually flying backwards on reverse trust makes sense - namely when a cockpit window is damaged and it is not advisable to expose it to dynamic air pressure. In this case the view from a backward facing camera is displayed in the cockpit plus two rear-view mirrors are extended as a backup system (aviators love mechanical backups). In the beginning of the jet age they had a much simpler solution: One of the nine cockpit crew went to the starboard aft toilet and instructed the pilots via the intercom using a special peeping hole facing to the rear. i.e. into the emergency flight direction. That little porthole was normally hidden behind the " As a courtesy to the next passenger may we suggest that you use your towel to wipe off the wash basin.Thank you." sign in the toilet. Actually they have invented such a lengthy text to make necessary a sign big enough to cover the peeping window.
Excelente example on how to fool the fools simply by writing with 100% confidence and using the correct jargon... You could become one of the top pseudo-science articles writer but I'm pretty sure that would go against your principles! 🤔😉
@@ricardonabeiro3079 I feel flattered by your confidence in my iEACS (integrated ethical auto control system, enhanced by the Kantian Imperative Application) ! ;)
Hmm.. I think you're right in that the lift generated by the rear-mounted thrust igniters could be useful under certain circumstances. However it's important to note that the horizontal stabilizer will not have sufficient time to get into its standard fully trimmed position. This can cause issues with the aft-cabin pressurization hydraulic fluids and in some cases could lead to a complete dual engine fan flameout. If you've noticed, on more recent planes the addition of sharklets has served to partially compensate for the aerodynamic drag generated by flaps, especially when the autobrake selector malfunctions. Generally speaking in such a scenario the first officer will call out the rotation speeds prior to having set the TCAS circuit breaker into the "standby" position, in order to avoid any possible complications arising from the GPWS's tendency to increase G-force loads on the yaw damper. Overall I'd say as long as the landing gear is fully functional, ditching could be feasible.
You bet your life with ANY other airline if you put the problem like that, I'm not a fan of Ryanair, but there is way too much hate about them, for reasons I don't get. Still they haven't any accident in their history, but big airliners do have many.
As many people have pointed out Intentional selection of Reverse thrust in flight such as this is prohibited on the 737, if you were a 737 pilot you would know this as has been mentioned it is a LIMITATION from Boeing. A couple of reasons for this: Thrust reversers work independently of each other so you can select only one by mistake or you could select both but one might fail to deploy due to a system failure. Now you find yourself with massive asymmetric thrust at very low altitude. Not really a good situation eh... Secondly as soon as you pull the reversers the thrust levers are locked at idle, until the reversers are stowed again. Not a good situation if you suddenly encounter some windshear or sink and want a little power to arrest the rate of descent. Third you loose your option for to go-around as soon as you pull the thrust reversers.. A very bad idea especially on a very windy day like this when its possible to float or catch a gust of wind and be blown off the centreline at the very last second. The reason you can't go around after the thrust reversers are pulled is again because they work independently, should one fail to stow or you forget to stow one while applying thrust on one engine you have massive thrust asymmetry at slow speed... not a good thing! The Captain has the authority to disregard any limitation or rule if he deems it necessary for safety. However I don't see how that would apply in this case as if they had floated beyond the touchdown zone (hard to tell but doesn't seem to be the case) they should of gone around. If they were too fast again they wouldn't of complied with the companies stabilisation criteria and should of gone around. More than like this would of been flagged up in the DFDR monitoring system and the pilots would of been called in for tea & no biscuits to explain what happened. But what do I know I don't use MS flight sim
Wouldn't reverse thrust actually "suck" the plane to the ground due to the flaps position? By cutting the airflow under the wind it would diminish the high pressure zone there while slowing down the plane. Obviously it is not a safe thing to do unless it becames a last resort (because you don't get second chances) but I don't think you would be blown away by ground effect or wind.
Fly into Dublin ealier this month on a new 737-800 straight in from Seattle WA. On final from LGW to DUB the landing was so hard we bounced back in the air around 20 meters then back down. I have never experienced whiplash but that was the day.
Two Ryan Air pilots coming into Stansted Airport: Paddy says "That runway looks awfully short Mick, I'm a bit concerned about landing this thing there"........... Mick says "I totally agree Paddy, but just look at the feckin width of it!"
I'm no pilot but I do know that some engines allow reverse thrust before landing. I think on some engines it is something like within 5 feet of the ground that is allowed.
Nice landing. I would scared to death in the seat, if I was in this flight (probably the cleaners had extra work after that day...all that shit). On another note, seing so many folks judging the pilot's action. Unless you are freaking real world pilot (and not just read the manual and play FSX - PMDG - which I should tell I love it, but it's not the real thing), and was inside the cabin, it's hard to judge. The plane landed safely, and that is what matters.
That was AWESOME, I think that's the first time Iv'e seen that also, well at least they are all safe on the ground. Great footage by the way. I like it :)
Goodness me. The "extra hard" landings are an exaggeration as a way to mock or boycott Ryanair. They don't exist. Ryanair carries out as many hard landings as any other airline, even purposely during bad weather conditions - it's gotta stick to the ground, right??
According to Boeing Operational Manual of the B737-300~900 it is possible to deploy the thrust reversers when either Rad Alt senses less than 10' altitude or when the air/ground safety sensor is in the ground mode provided the thrust levers are at idle. It is however prohibited to intentionally deploy the thrust reversers in flight.
paulanderson79 i wouldn’t call it bad landing just yet. Notice he didn’t deploy full flaps. Could be a windy condition or the flaps is malfunctioning. Its either he’s a resourceful pilot or a very dangerous one. the important thing is they are safe now. Its actually a nice landing for the energy they carry, i just hope this has been investigated so they could give credit where credit is due or punishment if they really attempted a sub standard approach.
Deploying T/R in the flare is acceptable with Gulfstreams as well since their long wing chord -- they tend to float. It REALLY helps in short-field ops.
Considering the TR's on the Gulfstream won't even arm themselves until there's weight on the wheels and the nutcrackers close, not only is it not an acceptable practice, it's an impossible one.
This was a rough landing, but they got on the ground so ultimately, who cares? Trying to be light and dainty might please the passengers but increases your stopping distance significantly. Forget the soft stuff.
The reason why the pilot put the reverse thrust midair is because the plane was going to fast and needed more break power to land. Also, it was windy so the pilot really needed to do it.
Great landing. A go around is only necessary, if the approach is missed. The weather is unlikely to change, so a landing after a go around would not be any better. It would only raise passengers discomfort.
gerovoe actually a go around is at the pilot in command discretion, you can execute a successful approach either VFR or off and instrument approach and go around or execute a "missed approach". It maybe because of winds , something on the runway , aircraft configuration issues, mechanicals, etc. sometimes a go around is the smart move
The reverser gates open but reverse thrust doesn't operate until weight sensors detect that the aircraft on the ground, at least that I can assume from the sound.
If the doors open they are mechanically linked to the baffles inside which redirect the bypassed air, so when they open you have idle reverse which is why there is little change in noise, apply more thrust and you get more reverse - but it's only the bypassed air which is reversed, air through the core of the engine doesn't change direction. However, I always thought / assumed that you couldn't engage reverse at all without the weight on the wheels ...
.:AirbusFan:. u cant do that on airbus. Airbus added 3rd safety net other than throttle lever at idle and gears on ground The safety is SEC signal to TR which indicate ground spoilers deployed. only then you can deploy TR
I've seen multiple videos like this, and I have concluded that the reason for reverse thrust before initial touchdown is because since they are so low to the ground and suddenly stop descending (at 0:17), the pilots thought they were on the ground, and applied reverse thrust. Another incident happened with an American md-80 where they bounced, applied reverse thrust not realizing they bounced off of the runway, and then landed again.
There was strong crosswinds looks like the pilot wanted to slow it as fast as possible. By landing on his right tire he was able to counter the effects of the crosswinds and managed to slow the plane down as quick as possible.
Was looking for this comment :-). He did a perfect sideslip. Note at 00:15 he kicks (left rudder) and at 00:16 he dips the right wing! Kick and dip as my CFI used to say in flight school.
I would teach just the opposite. Add thrust and go around. My judgement is that initiating reverse while in the air eliminates the chance of going around and increases the chance of a hard landing to tail strike.
FINALLY!!!... Always wondered about this!... Why airplanes on bad weather conditions apply a lil bit of RT to put that plane down once and for all and less go arounds!!.. Thumbs up for that ryanair pilot!!!..
Any landing from which you can walk away is a great landing.... and that was a *damn great* landing... Thrusters deployed early for extra brake power! But RyanAir being RyanAir as always..😆
Worth mentioning. Reverse thrust is more of an "optional" method of braking, only to provide extra stopping power when needed. This particularly helps when braking force is less effective, such as in rain or snow. Before landing, pilots will take into account the wind, aircraft weight, runway length, and any contamination of the runway (rain or snow). Based on this they will know what kind of braking force is needed and whether they should use thrust reversers.
I've flown with Ryanair loads of times, always had safe flights. If the pilot used RT to land safely, he did it for a reason, whatever the "experts" on here say. Remember, a good landing is one you can walk away from!
What about the weight on wheel switch? The job of ensuring the reverse thrusters aren't activated until the main gears have made contact with the ground.
Tom - Pilots going against procedure (not necessarily saying this is the case here) without being pulled up on it in the long run has a tendency to create drama in the world rather remove it.
Always thought it was just flaps that opened on the engine cowlings when thrust reverse was activated. But on that plane it looked to me like the whole rear half of the engine cowling slides back. Pretty cool
the most of landing is done by autopilot, especially in harsh conditions. And these conditions are not so bad, I've been through way worse. And my friend pilot told me if he wasn't sure he can land, he would never try.
ironically enough, Ryanair has never been involved in a fatal accident. no one ever died on a Ryanair flight
True, just like we are most likely to die in a car accident than in an airplane accident, and 99% of humans died in earth than in space, sometimes, statistics sucks.
Anim Mouse i think no one ever died on space...
@@soremakes645 3 cosmonauts out of 108 billion people who have ever died.
Yeah, they just wish they did by the end of it.
Never say never
Thank god the passengers paid their reverse thrust fee.
Yes, they paid it by cash as a free available option on mid-air.
such an underrated comment
Gold
Oh, you haven't printed out your reverse thrust fee? There is a fee for that too
Its also clear that none of them paid the go-around fee
The Boeing 737's reversers are deployable within 90cm from the ground . The pilot can decide to deploy them before touchdown in wet or windy conditions, so the aircraft has more breakpower at the beginning of the landing roll and avoid big bounces. He didn't do anything wrong, he won't get fired. He just got the aircraft, crew and passangers safely on the ground. Cheers from Brazil.
Matheus Ferreira 737 NG FCOM Vol 1: Reverse Thrust
# Intentional selection of reverse thrust in flight is prohibited.
I certainly shouldn't have engaged the thrust in flight. Thank you for watching :)
Is it not 10ft from the ground. RA.. And under no circumstances should they be deployed before touchdown
I highl doubt it is safe to do or a legit procedure to deploy reversers prior to touchdown. It eliminates the option of a go around
ooke2567 if you are that close you aren't gonna be able to go around without touching down first. And planes can do go arounds after reversers are deployed. The speed brakes auto deploy if reverse is engaged and the wheels touch the ground and auto retract when the engine is brought up in power from idle.
Obviously go arounds are too expensive for Ryanair
Mr. Orang 😂 😂 😂
Mr. Orang yep they would crash because they don't have enough fuel
Mr. Orang 😂😂😂
One less plane to fuel up!
Go arounds are too expensive because they spend their entire maintenance budget on suspension inspection / repair :P
it works nicely. l deployed reverse gear in my car at 100mph and gearbox started scraping the road.slowed me right down.thank you Ryanair 😎
Thanks mate! lol
gamer bear ha ha lol
gamer bear reverse theust is desigmed to work when the plane is moving forward, the car reverse gear is not because it is not for planes
LIGHTNINGG you must be fun at parties.
I'll need to try it
The pilot certainly wasn't planning on going around!!
That's for sure.
Steve Griffiths if you're a pilot for Ryanair and you go around, it can cost you your job
R... Air... run on low fuel going around not a good idea.
Steve Griffiths It's Ryanair what you'd expect of them, a missed app procedure?
SBR Triathlon 😂😂😂
There is nothing wrong with this. I do it all the time on flight simulator
You mean you can land?!
Lol😂
Lol
Minecraft and roblox are not flight simulators...
Jk, yeah there isn't much wrong with using rt in midair
Except that in flight simulators you don't have to pay the costs for damaging a plane :)
For those who don't know, bellow 10ft the 737 is able to select reverse thrust. Also that day when this happened, the weather was really bad (Storm Doris) and go-arounds was not a good option
It is clear that you think you know something about the subject, yet in reality you know nothing about the subject. The fact you write 'go-arounds (sic) was not a good option' tells that plain and clear. I guess if you are stupid enough and have a low self esteem, that makes you do it. To feel validated or something. In any case, you are laughable.
@@gubocci change your name to I’m retarded
@@gubocci something i posted 2 years ago and youre here insulting just tells me your self esteem is so low you have to go out of your way to insult someone on youtube. the actual term "Go-Around" is an actual term pilots use. may not be the correct way, but pilots use it as its simpler to say go around then what ever you are trying to spit here.
that was clearly above 10ft, and it's an extremely dangerous manoeuvre to deploy reverse while still airborne
@@gubocci change your name to I’m retarded
nice to see ryanair’s new fighter pilots already in action
I don’t know if it’s the camera angle but it looks like he’s going so damn fast on final.
My first thoughts lmao. Doubt it was the camera angle though.
Might be tailwind gust
I noticed that too, in my guess he must have been facing some failure with flaps because his flaps aren't extended fully, which indicates the increased speed on final approach, so to slow down the plane substantially on ground he must have used reverse thrusters. Its just my thought, what do you think ?
I think they did a faster approach than usual with less flaps because of the weather, heavy wind etc!
Video is sped up slightly
There is a feature in the 737 that allows T\R WHILE AIRBORNE. if the rad alt is 10 or less, it can send a signal to the air\grnd logic relay, release the interlock and allow pilots to deploy Thrust reverse.
B737 has radio altitude Thrust Reverser activation, 10 feet or so above ground level ot can be activated. It is one of the procedures to land the aircraft approved by Boeing but dependent on individual company policy
I've done that and it scares the shit out of you. The aircraft drops like a rock, and for the fools who say it cannot happen. They have never flown the 737 classic. Thrust reverse can be selected below 10 feet RA
Yeah, you havent flown the 737 classic either. You know, playing a simulator isnt called flying.
He's right, it drops like a rock (I flew the 737-300 from 2003-2006) and scares the bejesus out of you, Captain did it once -you really gotta be ahead of the a/c.
@@gubocci when did he say he played a simulator
Aviation: if conditions are too extreme and you're struggling to land, you must go-arou-
Ryanair: *AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT!*
Outstanding move!
Best comment ever
*FO DAT
[Tower 1] Can you give me a number crunch real quick?
[Tower 2] Uhhh.. yeah, gimme a sec… I’m coming up with thirty-two point three three uh, repeating of course, percenta...
[Ryanair] LEEEEEEEEEEEE...
Did anybody else Picture that Lady, wearing a Pilot's Uniform, it makes it even BETTER!
Excellent pilot, knows exactly what he was doing!
and this isn't sarcasm either, for anyone wondering.
I love Ryanair and people who shit the airline are not the brightest. You literally get what you pay for, if not more. It costs me almost the same price to get to an airport as it costs to get from London back home. Last time I paid around 40 GBP both ways.
I love how so many people comment without knowing anything about plane of aviation... Perfectly safe and good landing according to the weather conditions.
No, it wasnt, you stupid fuck. The fact it didn't crash doesnt mean it was safe and good landing. You can walk tightrope between skyscrapers and not fall, yet that isnt safe, at all. "Plane of aviation"... 🤣
@@gubocci yeah you are a moron. Explain us why wasn't it safe?
@@gubocci MY GOD why do you have to instantly throw your disrespectful words at this dude…calm down…you can state your opinion in a more civil way
@@neunundfuenfzig because he's a moron. He even put that in his name so why ask?
Thats actually really cool. Big props to the skills of the pilot for judging the right time to hit the air brake and bring the bad boy to the ground. You could see the plane not wanting to come down and there is a lot of wind blowing too on the air craft.
Not typed on the 737, but all the jets I’ve flown the ground spoilers are armed before touchdown then deploy automatically upon weight on wheels
You write like a child, you think like a child. Props to the skills? Props for breaking the correct procedure? I hope you'll be on a plane that crashes because of a pilot breaking procedure. Lets see you giving props then. Oh no wait, you are dead.
No air breaks were deployed before touchdown. The fuck are you talking about?
Whatever the theory is, he nailed it though! Nice catch!
To right, thanks for watching :)!
Nailed it?! this is Ryanair, they cannot butter a landing!
its never done digby
You may say he "nailed it" from the outside, but I doubt you'd have that opinion if you were a passenger.
Nick, In no way I see how that has to do with my comment...
I know nothing about flying a plane or the rules on the 737 procedure for reverse thrust before touchdown... watching over and over: This pilot absolutely smashed it! Commitment to land 1st time and it looked pretty smooth actually. Great success Ryan Air! The expression "Always allow for variable change" springs to mind.. The Pilot Did a great job in my eyes as a potential customer.. Did whatever it took to get the job done in the best way possible at that time. I like this video and all the responses below.
Nice way to see if reverse thrust works while still in flight makes sense on a wet runway. Great job!
I noticed the flaps were deployed at the same time. I think the pilot knew what he was doing and handled very well.
Hmmm what does this Lever do
HENRY FORSTER thanx
This is my Old acount lol I wrote that comment
Lol
@Night_Hunter2727 Yeah right.
@@SomeOne-pf7wl it is
Great skill by the pilot!
At 18 '00 sec his right wing comes awfully close to touching the ground! Well done!
I've seen closer calls than that while performing maintenance on the runway signage of runway 04-22 at AMS (outside of the 100yd from centerline area of an active runway, but only by a few metres). Which was rather scary, cause with the storm in my back, these rather unstable flying aircraft had their noses pointed at me while rocking side to side. One even came as close as maybe a foot from the ground before bouncing on the main gear. Props to these skilled pilots.
I once flew Ryan Air into Limerick
Pilot came in too fast, so he did a trick:
He reversed in mid air, instead of doing a flare
And I was scared stiff as a stick
U a pilot?
@@riccardogranato1274 nope, he's a poet and enjoy limericks whilst flying into Limerick
Well played, sir
@@bfc3057 Or, as Ryan Air would advertise it, Dublin (West).
@@bfc3057 It was a joke. Ryanair used to have a reputation for misleadingly advertising their destinations (e.g,. they used to sell tickets to "Hamburg" while actually landing in Lübeck Blankensee, which is a very small airport south of the city of Lübeck, about 70 kilometres away from Hamburg, basically in the middle of nowhere. I don't know if they still do it. TBH I avoid flying low cost airlines. They exploit their employees and sacrifice safety for profit margin.
Last time I flew to France with Ryanair, a squall came out of nowhere just as we were landing.....the pilots managed a VERY scary landing. Props to these guys!
And a prop is something used in film making?
@@miked5539 Yes. Yes, that's right.....
Thought the reversers couldn't deploy without the wheels on the ground?? seems i was wrong :)
same thought here
same thought also here
3m above RWY i think it gets data from radioalt
737s can deploy R/T if they are below 10ft
Yup, if the RA reads
That stabilised the plane instantly, good call.
What i think:
Normally they land at STN rwy22 with flaps 40 in order to vacate first speedway but in such weather use if flaps 40 isn't a good idea due to wind gusts so they were trying to stop really fast with flaps 30
Co-pilot: Go around 😱
Captain: Hold my beer and watch this!
👔
He landed "in midair"
That's impressive.
Thanks for watching!
Can the ramps be elevated high enough since he landed in midair?
As AFP95 would put it, "we have a 737 that is using reverse thrust in flight. That has been out of protocol since the 1980s, sir, you can Alt+F4."
He said that line to a 737 that was pushing back using reverse thrust out of the gate
Wow, there sure are a lot of pilots on TH-cam judging by all the comments.......
Yes, I'm not a pilot, but being not a pilot does not mean that we are not qualified to discuss this aviation matter. There are a lot of people here flying using FSX like me. If you want a professional opinion, then TH-cam comments is not for you.
Not all pilots. Some mechanics too.
Very nice work Elliot! Liked
Cheers mate :)!
This place is full of experts on everything. And I am one of them. Having studied the passengers' safety instructions of a 737 Iet me enlighten you lesser experts that there can be a case when actually flying backwards on reverse trust makes sense - namely when a cockpit window is damaged and it is not advisable to expose it to dynamic air pressure. In this case the view from a backward facing camera is displayed in the cockpit plus two rear-view mirrors are extended as a backup system (aviators love mechanical backups). In the beginning of the jet age they had a much simpler solution: One of the nine cockpit crew went to the starboard aft toilet and instructed the pilots via the intercom using a special peeping hole facing to the rear. i.e. into the emergency flight direction. That little porthole was normally hidden behind the " As a courtesy to the next passenger may we suggest that you use your towel to wipe off the wash basin.Thank you." sign in the toilet. Actually they have invented such a lengthy text to make necessary a sign big enough to cover the peeping window.
Excelente example on how to fool the fools simply by writing with 100% confidence and using the correct jargon... You could become one of the top pseudo-science articles writer but I'm pretty sure that would go against your principles! 🤔😉
@@ricardonabeiro3079 I feel flattered by your confidence in my iEACS (integrated ethical auto control system, enhanced by the Kantian Imperative Application) ! ;)
@@andy99ish I have no understanding of what you just said... but I'm pretty sure it's 200% correct
@@ricardonabeiro3079 I am in the same situation.
Hmm.. I think you're right in that the lift generated by the rear-mounted thrust igniters could be useful under certain circumstances. However it's important to note that the horizontal stabilizer will not have sufficient time to get into its standard fully trimmed position. This can cause issues with the aft-cabin pressurization hydraulic fluids and in some cases could lead to a complete dual engine fan flameout.
If you've noticed, on more recent planes the addition of sharklets has served to partially compensate for the aerodynamic drag generated by flaps, especially when the autobrake selector malfunctions. Generally speaking in such a scenario the first officer will call out the rotation speeds prior to having set the TCAS circuit breaker into the "standby" position, in order to avoid any possible complications arising from the GPWS's tendency to increase G-force loads on the yaw damper. Overall I'd say as long as the landing gear is fully functional, ditching could be feasible.
Looked nice and controlled to me.
Stunning capture! May I feature this landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you!
Sadly not!
Nice catch, as this procedure is quite rare and only takes place when certain conditions are met. 👍
Crosswind landing caught at a great close-up! Thanks for sharing Elliot ! :)
Thanks mate!
Ryanair are a weird Airline,that's why I fly with them
Cheers :)! LOL
The plane bounced on every ryanair flight i have been on.
You bet your life.
You bet your life with ANY other airline if you put the problem like that, I'm not a fan of Ryanair, but there is way too much hate about them, for reasons I don't get. Still they haven't any accident in their history, but big airliners do have many.
I don't know why some people complain when flying Ryanair
How could you complain when there fares are so cheap
As many people have pointed out Intentional selection of Reverse thrust in flight such as this is prohibited on the 737, if you were a 737 pilot you would know this as has been mentioned it is a LIMITATION from Boeing.
A couple of reasons for this:
Thrust reversers work independently of each other so you can select only one by mistake or you could select both but one might fail to deploy due to a system failure. Now you find yourself with massive asymmetric thrust at very low altitude. Not really a good situation eh...
Secondly as soon as you pull the reversers the thrust levers are locked at idle, until the reversers are stowed again. Not a good situation if you suddenly encounter some windshear or sink and want a little power to arrest the rate of descent.
Third you loose your option for to go-around as soon as you pull the thrust reversers.. A very bad idea especially on a very windy day like this when its possible to float or catch a gust of wind and be blown off the centreline at the very last second.
The reason you can't go around after the thrust reversers are pulled is again because they work independently, should one fail to stow or you forget to stow one while applying thrust on one engine you have massive thrust asymmetry at slow speed... not a good thing!
The Captain has the authority to disregard any limitation or rule if he deems it necessary for safety. However I don't see how that would apply in this case as if they had floated beyond the touchdown zone (hard to tell but doesn't seem to be the case) they should of gone around.
If they were too fast again they wouldn't of complied with the companies stabilisation criteria and should of gone around.
More than like this would of been flagged up in the DFDR monitoring system and the pilots would of been called in for tea & no biscuits to explain what happened.
But what do I know I don't use MS flight sim
Wouldn't reverse thrust actually "suck" the plane to the ground due to the flaps position? By cutting the airflow under the wind it would diminish the high pressure zone there while slowing down the plane. Obviously it is not a safe thing to do unless it becames a last resort (because you don't get second chances) but I don't think you would be blown away by ground effect or wind.
Who else is here from the Mentour Pilot video?
Sam C yup
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Can someone please send me a link to this video people? Cheers
lol me ;)
I spoke with a Ryanair pilot, they are actually not allowed to do so. Everyone can make a mistake, pilot do small mistakes every day.
Thanks for sharing!
Abdullahi a small mistake in the air can cost lives
Aero yes it can
Sniper Op omg he means it in a sarcastic way
Nonsense.
The touchdown is surprisingly soft. Good job !
It's amazing that airline hasn't killed anyone. You have to give them credit for being so fucking useless and still having such a good record.
Fly into Dublin ealier this month on a new 737-800 straight in from Seattle WA. On final from LGW to DUB the landing was so hard we bounced back in the air around 20 meters then back down. I have never experienced whiplash but that was the day.
Oh dear well its not surprising give then winds.
Two Ryan Air pilots coming into Stansted Airport: Paddy says "That runway looks awfully short Mick, I'm a bit concerned about landing this thing there"........... Mick says "I totally agree Paddy, but just look at the feckin width of it!"
Let me guess, you’re English
Very few of Ryanair pilots are Irish.
Passenger: yo I think the pilot is drunk or something
Flight attendant: why?
Passenger: the fact that he’s landing perpendicular to the runway
I'm no pilot but I do know that some engines allow reverse thrust before landing. I think on some engines it is something like within 5 feet of the ground that is allowed.
Holy crap!? Ryanair did this? TO AVOID BOUNCING?? Impressive!
Nice landing. I would scared to death in the seat, if I was in this flight (probably the cleaners had extra work after that day...all that shit). On another note, seing so many folks judging the pilot's action. Unless you are freaking real world pilot (and not just read the manual and play FSX - PMDG - which I should tell I love it, but it's not the real thing), and was inside the cabin, it's hard to judge. The plane landed safely, and that is what matters.
Hey 👋
That was AWESOME, I think that's the first time Iv'e seen that also, well at least they are all safe on the ground. Great footage by the way. I like it :)
Thanks, certainly my first time!
This isn't awesome but life threatening dangerous and definitely not according to the Boeing/airbus and any airline company procedures!
But nicely caught on camera tho
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of course its ryanair they tell the pilots to do that so they can slam the plane extra hard into the ground
Thanks mate!
Goodness me. The "extra hard" landings are an exaggeration as a way to mock or boycott Ryanair. They don't exist. Ryanair carries out as many hard landings as any other airline, even purposely during bad weather conditions - it's gotta stick to the ground, right??
it's called a joke ;)
I flew ryanair 4 times...2 times he landed like a fucking fool.
*Ryannair Landings*
According to Boeing Operational Manual of the B737-300~900 it is possible to deploy the thrust reversers when either Rad Alt senses less than 10' altitude or when the air/ground safety sensor is in the ground mode provided the thrust levers are at idle.
It is however prohibited to intentionally deploy the thrust reversers in flight.
I am as confused as you my friend. Yes, this was a bad landing by anyone's standards but I've no idea what the OP is trying to convey.
paulanderson79 i wouldn’t call it bad landing just yet. Notice he didn’t deploy full flaps. Could be a windy condition or the flaps is malfunctioning. Its either he’s a resourceful pilot or a very dangerous one. the important thing is they are safe now. Its actually a nice landing for the energy they carry, i just hope this has been investigated so they could give credit where credit is due or punishment if they really attempted a sub standard approach.
Deploying T/R in the flare is acceptable with Gulfstreams as well since their long wing chord -- they tend to float. It REALLY helps in short-field ops.
Considering the TR's on the Gulfstream won't even arm themselves until there's weight on the wheels and the nutcrackers close, not only is it not an acceptable practice, it's an impossible one.
@@s4aviator804 Depending on the model, they just require idle thrust not WoW.
The Ryanair Way™
That was a beautiful landing in that weather. Idc what you say
This was a rough landing, but they got on the ground so ultimately, who cares? Trying to be light and dainty might please the passengers but increases your stopping distance significantly. Forget the soft stuff.
wasn't he beyond the landing point off the runway? Where you don't have much time then full brakes or go-around.
The reason why the pilot put the reverse thrust midair is because the plane was going to fast and needed more break power to land. Also, it was windy so the pilot really needed to do it.
Ryaniar's new motto:
We don't land, we hit the ground
Just a ryanair pilot in its natural habitat
Doing its daily routine
Was the pilot a kamikaze left over from the war?
Wow! The guy who uploaded the video before 2 years is still watching the comments amazing!!!
@@vedanshbagadia Well, he got a notification.
Great landing. A go around is only necessary, if the approach is missed. The weather is unlikely to change, so a landing after a go around would not be any better. It would only raise passengers discomfort.
Thanks so much for watching my friend :)!
Moreover go arounds not a safe thing at all
gerovoe actually a go around is at the pilot in command discretion, you can execute a successful approach either VFR or off and instrument approach and go around or execute a "missed approach". It maybe because of winds , something on the runway , aircraft configuration issues, mechanicals, etc. sometimes a go around is the smart move
apparently I'm the only one who's not an expert here. How do you recognize that reverse thrust is engaged?
The engines have things the slide back to direct thrust forward, you can see the sliders move as they approach the ground.
The reverser gates open but reverse thrust doesn't operate until weight sensors detect that the aircraft on the ground, at least that I can assume from the sound.
If the doors open they are mechanically linked to the baffles inside which redirect the bypassed air, so when they open you have idle reverse which is why there is little change in noise, apply more thrust and you get more reverse - but it's only the bypassed air which is reversed, air through the core of the engine doesn't change direction.
However, I always thought / assumed that you couldn't engage reverse at all without the weight on the wheels ...
Gareth Kennedy That's only on Airbus.
On Airbus you can also deploy them while still in the air... Maybe the same 10ft, not sure, but you can.. ;)
No, you can't on Airbus.
.:AirbusFan:. u cant do that on airbus. Airbus added 3rd safety net other than throttle lever at idle and gears on ground
The safety is SEC signal to TR which indicate ground spoilers deployed. only then you can deploy TR
Absolutely awesome Elliot! What a capture this is :D
Thanks!
I've seen multiple videos like this, and I have concluded that the reason for reverse thrust before initial touchdown is because since they are so low to the ground and suddenly stop descending (at 0:17), the pilots thought they were on the ground, and applied reverse thrust. Another incident happened with an American md-80 where they bounced, applied reverse thrust not realizing they bounced off of the runway, and then landed again.
Sorry, no. In these conditions you *definitely* know when you are on the ground, trust me.
The thrust lever interlock would not allow the reverser to be selected, it is controlled by air/ ground systems
0:15 Just like how I land in GTA
Perfect demonstration of Ryanair's Land or Die procedure.
Great landing and great work by the pilots 👍🏻
There was strong crosswinds looks like the pilot wanted to slow it as fast as possible. By landing on his right tire he was able to counter the effects of the crosswinds and managed to slow the plane down as quick as possible.
Was looking for this comment :-). He did a perfect sideslip. Note at 00:15 he kicks (left rudder) and at 00:16 he dips the right wing! Kick and dip as my CFI used to say in flight school.
I would teach just the opposite. Add thrust and go around. My judgement is that initiating reverse while in the air eliminates the chance of going around and increases the chance of a hard landing to tail strike.
There really wasn't much need to go-around on this landing they done it to prevent any bounces I think.
FINALLY!!!... Always wondered about this!... Why airplanes on bad weather conditions apply a lil bit of RT to put that plane down once and for all and less go arounds!!.. Thumbs up for that ryanair pilot!!!..
Any landing from which you can walk away is a great landing.... and that was a *damn great* landing...
Thrusters deployed early for extra brake power!
But RyanAir being RyanAir as always..😆
Worth mentioning. Reverse thrust is more of an "optional" method of braking, only to provide extra stopping power when needed. This particularly helps when braking force is less effective, such as in rain or snow. Before landing, pilots will take into account the wind, aircraft weight, runway length, and any contamination of the runway (rain or snow). Based on this they will know what kind of braking force is needed and whether they should use thrust reversers.
It is optional in the sense they could stop without it, but it's standard to use it on the dry too to protect your brakes a bit and avoid overheating.
Treat every landing like a mis-managed go around
Indeed. Thank you for watching :)
That was one interesting catch, not something I've ever seen before!
Superb capture mate :)!
I've flown with Ryanair loads of times, always had safe flights. If the pilot used RT to land safely, he did it for a reason, whatever the "experts" on here say. Remember, a good landing is one you can walk away from!
Allan
In the 737 you can set the reverse thrust before touch down, but they will apply not before you are on the ground.
What about the weight on wheel switch? The job of ensuring the reverse thrusters aren't activated until the main gears have made contact with the ground.
These are Airbus-only. 737 uses radio altimeter readout, reversers can be deployed anywhere below 10ft
Amazing capture ! Would you mind if I use part of this video , in one of my next episodes?Of course with a link back to your original video. Peace!
Sadly I don't recall giving you permission to use the footage, but you did. Not impressed.
@@CBGSpotter It's my fault. I thought you had already answered me, sorry, I'll take it off.
@@CBGSpotter I'm taking it off, bro!
Looks like this guy hasnt heard the song, you can always go around
Awesome view of this. I always thought weight on wheels before T/R's would deploy. Learned something new:)
Apparently not of 738s :)! Thanks for watching .
Woow very interesting landing mate! Liked 771. How did you get so much views on this video??
Thanks so much for watching my friend :)!Because its so dangerous #stormdoris
Nice nice stay tuned on my channel Iam making crazy videos every saturday. Maybe making a stormdoris fsx vidro😋👌
@@SimPilotSky it seems that 4 years later you made it yourself
Looks like the reverser panels open about 10-20 feet away from the ground, and therefore forces the plane down
This pilot likes to live on the edge
Good work...... No messing about with that dude..... I bet he watches gladiator movies
He knows What his doing !!!
They trained on what to do. they are NOT gonna put in Danger Peoples life or the Aircraft... Neither there Carrier's...
Kindly explain an "Airplane Crash."
Usually reverse thrust is activated thru a check valve in which Aircraft is weight on wheels
what reg was this or time filmed ??
reg is EI-DYD
Tom wut
Consider you shouldn’t physically be able to crack the reversers until certain criteria are met. That was cool
Tom - Pilots going against procedure (not necessarily saying this is the case here) without being pulled up on it in the long run has a tendency to create drama in the world rather remove it.
Aa
Always thought it was just flaps that opened on the engine cowlings when thrust reverse was activated. But on that plane it looked to me like the whole rear half of the engine cowling slides back. Pretty cool
Not in accordance with the Airplane Flight Manual and potentially dangerous in case you have to Go Around
Indeed it is :)!
Wow, what a catch mate!! Congrats on 300k views for this one too! :D
Cheers, oh yeah its got well popular this :)!
Anything can possible with Ryanair.
I was once travelled upsidedown. 😅😅
Hello, I am an aviation expert with thousands of flying hours. This was good airplaning. give me thumbs up 👍
looks like me in flight Sim except in perfect weather conditions and I'm still flying like this
Haha!
Lol same
the most of landing is done by autopilot, especially in harsh conditions. And these conditions are not so bad, I've been through way worse. And my friend pilot told me if he wasn't sure he can land, he would never try.
Inevitably you have to land at some point though. You can’t be in the air forever.
This is classed as a very good landing by Ryanair’s standards!
It was a very good landing, by a competent pilot.
Nice video!!!
Cheers matey!
yeah!
Every single time I've flown Ryanair it was like flying/landing with an acrobat pilot... it's unreal. Must be policy.
Only the best of the best, right?