Why I love big keyboards (and why you should too)| Real talk
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 พ.ย. 2023
- I just love big keyboards ok
The kangaroo board I wouldnt shut up about:
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I use big keyboards because I am compensating for something else in my life that is very small.
My will to live? Same 😂
This is small desk discrimination brought to you by big keyboard
Originally I was mainly a fan of TKLs and FRLs, with one of my first boards being a Model F77.
Over time though I realized you get the same functionality with a numpad as a nav and personally I feel the whole nav cluster thing is redundant. So one day here I am looking at my F77 and thinking "I wish this thing had a numpad instead of a nav cluster, oh and maybe a XT column since that's something I like too." and I had the realization that this layout already exists with the Model F AT and it's surprisingly numerous clones.
I quickly fell in love with the layout and got used to it's quirks without much hassle to my surprise. AT keyboards are also kind of in a goldilocks zone for vints. A lot of them have the same high build quality and surprisingly flexible mounting (albeit with a steel plate) like XT and XT contemporary keyboards while also having a more modern layout and a large variety of switches with keyboards in the layout like later fullsizes.
I've had a blast collecting vint AT boards and I'm glad it's come back with the likes of the W1-AT, EE-AT and the Sui. Hopefully more continue to come out.
Oh yeah and I also like 1800s for a lot of the same reasons why I love the AT layout. Especially FRL 1800s.
Anyway recently I've seen a trend of more keyboards with numpads coming out in recent years so hopefully this trend continues.
Being in the vintage space, we're kinda stuck with oversized mammoths that take up a ton of desk-space.
I still find the extra keys incredibly useful for day-to-day tasks, but they can get pretty irritating when playing games. (Especially when using lower sensitivities for competitive titles)
Regardless, it's just a tiny gripe... The world could still use some bigger keyborts!
I think that one of the main reasons why people don't buy and use full-size boards is because they negatively associate those larger, and more mainstream layouts with ugly, badly built and awfully feeling cheap rubber dome keyboards.
Cycle100 when?
My main PC has a full size on it. My tkl/65/frltkl are for the office because i have to transport daily, cannot leave there.
Always wishing for more custom G80-1800 like the TX1800. The Brutal V2 1800 looks great but there's something about the extra row of nav keys that really gets me going.
you convinced me to get a 1800, is it viable to buy an Leopold FC980M for 100$ and mod it or is there an 1800 in that range that would be a better option ?
I have similar sentiments regarding having a separate numpad and the need for more numpad variety in the space. Having a separate numpad allows for more customization in regards to your keyboard set up. You can pair up a TKL and numpad to make a full-size. If you don't need the F-row then pair it with an FRL or 65% (with F-row on layer 1) with it and Bam, basically have the WindX. And not only that, you can run it southpaw without needing to buy a southpaw board. I personally use the Tenet70 + Freebird numpad for office work and it's been amazing because I can tilt both pieces independently for a more comfortable experience.
While I love my Odin, WindX, and Q5; I can't deny that the flexibility of saying "I feel like using my Suisei instead of the Tenet70 today" and not have it impact the functionality in my office set up is godlike. And now with a wireless option in the form of the Zoompad (hopefully QK makes one too), I have very few coworkers in the office who haven't asked me about getting a similar set up for their desks too. Also you can mix-and-match the colours of the keyboard and numpad for cool unique combinations
As a software engineer I have found that I am vastly more productive when my fingers never need to leave the home row. Optimizing a 60% with layers is actually *more* efficient for me. But I recognize that not everyone wants to run Emacs or Vim and never touch a mouse. I'm sure other people are more efficient with full-size keyboards. If you have the sad job of data entry then you're definitely going to need a full size keyboard. The great thing about having multiple keyboards is you can grab the right one for the job.
I bought a Keychron Q12 just because of availability, format, and because you need a board of at least that size to do justice to Space Cadet keycaps.
bcs big weeb deserve big keyboads
Yes please hype full size because I really want another Equalz Mountain
Thank Mr. Simone for full size love
I like 1800s but I haven’t found a case with a design I like. The closest one has been the QK100 but I don’t like the weight design for that case. Hopefully more creative designs for full size boards come out.
I just love how cute a little 60% is with WKL of HHKB blockers. My Arc60 is my daily and plateless it just feels incredible. With that said, an interesting looking 60% is hard to come by. At least with a bigger board you have room for interesting design elements on the top case and side profile.
I too love big keyboards. IMO, IBM 5924-T01 is the minimum keyboard size.
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I don't like big keyboards... I LOVE big keyboards.
I'm a big fan of 1800 but I think my fav layout is still TKL. I think I could really get mileage out of an extreme southpaw 1800 like the Aegis but those are going for absurd money and are worse than a 300$ frog
Big keybort good
just about to build my first custom mechanical - a 108 key! i'm glad to know i'm not crazy for liking big keyboards
I am a big board enjoyer and a simon enjoyer
Owning a full size, an alice and a tkl, my counter point is
1. I don't use the numb cluster. Most people i know don't need it and when a gmk keyset cost 2 months of your salary, you don't buy it.
2. Not everybody have the same hand range to do comfortably use a full size and a mouse. You put your board in the right position where the alpha is in front of you, your mouse is too far off to the right. You put your keyboard to the left, now you have to tilt your body a little to use it and fuck up your wrists, and when you need to use your mouse, you have to tilt again
@12:15, Simon, I am missing an inch and I have been told that it's a problem. What do I do?
Don't sweat it, just buy some big keyboards
You arent missing an inch. They are missing an inch. They have a bigger problem, not you. Buy bigger keyboards.
I don't like real full size as a daily driver but I still love to occasionally pull out the IBM Model M and reminisce. Nothing compares to the feel of typing on buckling springs. But for work, 1800 and 96% are the magic layouts. I immediately picked up a QK100 because it has a full size 0. :')
As someone who is into resin, thank you for praying for me lmao.
I personally don't like full sizes because of how much I like using layers. It requires way less movement on my part and still has all the access that I need personally. My favourite layouts are a 60% and alice cause of split bs and rs which is basically a need for me on a board. I like how tkls look but both of those things look kinda weird on a tkl. I could bind tkl to |\ key and use it that way but it would mess up both tilde and esc on my board which I've gotten used to and prefer.
Aesthetically I also much rather prefer TKL over full size since I feel the numpad makes the board too lopsided to the right, same reason why I don't like 1800s. You would think that southpaw would fix this but I think it looks weird personally, maybe since I've seen too many full sizes so southpaw looks off cause I haven't seen many of those.
I do like the idea of having a numpad though, since they are the only things that layers can't really replace, it's just so much better than reaching for the num row, especially if you are doing a lot of stuff with numbers of typing them out. I would get a numpad separately but also the AT layout actually would be pretty cool for me since I like how it looks and It has the 60% cluster that I love using, it probably would be the largest layout that I could use purely for layout and not for looks. I tried the W1-AT but wasn't really the biggest fan so was thinking of eventually going for an IBM f-at, converting it and modding it to make it split bs and also full ansi (I remember seeing a gh thread about that, would also look into whether split rs would be possible as well for my precious layers)
In general I would like to get at least some larger boards even if they layouts aren't exactly what I'm looking for. An unsaver for example, I remember really wanting the parallax but coming to terms with that board never releasing (at least 21xx will be a thing, which I will definitely buy if I have the money for it when the gb happens.) and a g80-5000 or something similar would also be cool as well. Both those layouts are also great for resin which is a rip to my wallet lol ( my favourite layout for resin though is an alice layout because you have the three keys perfect for them)
Of course I do love seeing more full size customs, since it's a niche that needs to be filled, without having to wait for a while or hunting down for old kustom boards that would probably be pretty expensive nowadays and I do understand why people go for larger boards, layers aren't as accessible to people, whether it's reduced motor functions or just not wanting to deal with them, which in a hobby of preferences is perfectly fine but personally not for me.
Really enjoyable video :)
Hold up...there are keebs bigger than TKL? I don't believe it.
i love 1800 keybort
im use to battleships
everything's going full circle such as life
fresh cut
I would buy one if there were more options, I wish there were more designs to pick from that I liked over the smaller form keyboards😭
The closest board i own to full size is a w1-at its almost a grail board but my glare and jane v2 ce too good to me.
I love full size keyboards, i like having a numpad, i like having all of my function keys. I've used 65% and 75% and TKL and while they are fine and i've used each for extended periods of time, I just get drawn back to a fuller size keyboard!
Do you consider FRL almost at the realm of big boards?
My sole reason for not owning a larger board is that I have no use for it. I don't work in an office or any kinda setting where I would/could use a keyboard in my daily life So a TKL or 1800 would be pretty worthless in terms of value for me. I am a machinist by trade and I am in this hobby solely bc I have a large disposable income and I like the pretty colors and brain scratching sounds.
Main issue with most 1800s for me is the 1u 0. Just makes it so much more uncomfortable
I love having a numpad on the left though. I'd buy a southpaw if I could get it with a proper split spacebar, 1.25u key on the left, 2.25/2.75 or whatever it doesn't matter to the right. Unfortunately this doesn't exist. The only somewhat well-known board that can approximate this is the SPV-111, which fucks up the spacebar layout, has a right-handed numpad even though it's on the left (???), and is solder-only (mostly not an issue, but I rebuild a lot more than I want to solder
2:36 My guess; not as many office people into the hobby as opposed to the pure hobbyists.
My sis does office/home office and NEEDS full layout. Out and about she prefers smaller.
Can anyone recommend some 1800 keyboards, please ?
I currently have a Keychron K4 Pro but would love something else to try.
I don't know what I expected lol, I guess I thought you'd show some cool battleship looking keyboards and talk about how you use them at work to make life easier.
I wouldn't daily a fullsize, but I do think normal model Ms and g80s look better than SSKs and JER80s and I will die on this hill.
I wish there were more ortholinear full size boards... but I kind of get why there aren't - it's basically a niche within a niche.
Trouble is there aren't many big boards available, at least at reasonable prices. QK and Zoom have their big boards but are full of memes. Keychron QX boards are ass, the cheaper ones are good but not on the level of nice customs. Shipping prices are a significant amount ($50+ from vendors like Novelkeys and Geon) which could have been a nicer keycap set or switches, hell even another board, not to mention import fees and tax.
Can't even get a full size or 1800 Leopold in stock in the UK, best you can do is get a filco (which are very available in the UK unlike leopolds) or a keychron K4/V4/Q5/6/12.
I've never gone smaller than an 1800 until the Cycle7 because of what you said about fully utilizing a keycap set. Such a waste to see those F keys and Numpad keys just collect dust. I'm really hoping I'd like the FRL layout though but still really hoping for more options and innovation on our big bois moving forward.
My issue with most full-sized boards is that alice boards have greatly reduced my wrist pain and I am both left handed and enjoy mouse space. If the unicorn of a southpaw alice board exists, I do not own one. Think that might be my endgame.
Keychron Q14 Pro. I'm fairly certain, that there'll be a Q14 Max as well.
@@zatozatoichi7920 Ooooh. That looks great! Thanks for the suggestion!
I think a lot of normal people would be willing to throw down $500 on an endgame full size keyboard that will last forever. A user serviceable mouse would also be worth buying.
Anyone who uses a keyboard for real work, will likely appreciate a nav cluster and a numpad... Which is why the popularization of the 1800 layout has been such a godsend for office workers in this hobby.
Even though I fully agree that a base set should include a numpad, that argument does not hold up when you say you have a box full of numpad keysets that's currently not being used. The race to the bottom will always win and when 99.9% of customers don't need it, vendors aren't going to include it. I suspect Geon's $79 GMK set will also not include numpad caps and just be TKL kitting.
I agree that unfortunately right now, there isn't as much interest in big/long bois, but I REALLY would want a cycle or neo-esque priced actual full-sized board. I know that prebuilts exist, and nothing wrong with Leopolds or anything comparable, but it would be really fun to have an actual full-size in the custom keyboard side of things.
I know the Zoom109/full-size is... still supposed to happen? But I dunno if it'll be cycle or neo-esque pricing-wise (yet still delivers in terms of sound and maybe even looks).
CP1800 and up are true keyboards. Everything else is a cute, little toy.
That's cool, but 40% gang.
I like big boards and I cannont lie
i dont like keyboards....i love keyboards :P
Poland > sweden I FUCKING LOVE POLAND
I truly feel sorry for everyone that has to move their hands while typing.
Whenever I have to use to a normal keyboard, my hands immediately hurt from just having to reach to backspace.
Having to move your hands for arrow keys is also so incredible inefficient.
It honestly blows my mind that despite having QMK firmware most people in this hobby are still willingly to deal with this.
Btw. it's also almost impossible to type with 10 fingers without having split space.
Sincerely, a 40% thumb layer enjoyer.
Some of us lack finger mobility sadly, makes it really hard to keep our hands in one spot and be able to press all the keys within range
For some people it's out of lack of education and willpower, but some of us have legitimate dexterity issues :(
I literally never use the numpad, like never.
I dont care about the space or the price but I think they look ugly
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