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Something near the end that I really resonate with is you saying being able to blame the people responsible. I've semi-recently tried my best to figure out actual people's names and not just use companies or entity names. Like you mention, there are probably a lot of people within Google who are arguing both for and against this being open source. This makes it frustrating for me because I wish I could know who these people are. I think the recent issues with Reddit highlight this well. People aren't saying fuck Reddit as much as they are saying fuck spez. I feel like if we could live in a world where this information was more transparent and easier to access, companies would be less likely to hire the specific Google engineers who wants to close source everything and has tons of public hate for it. This rides a fine line between awareness and doxxing as having an idea within a company shouldn't necessarily make your life hell, but it feels like cancer within companies that cause these awful cultures and changes just get to move from place to place instead of actually having to face repercussions most of the time if things go wrong, or get to benefit from their toxicity if it goes the way they want.
actually this might be something to consider. many companies are taking these ant- customer measures because the top dogs pushing them jump ship before the negative consequences catch up to them, if we could successfully tie the reputation of those individuals to the companies they run (like we do with writers, musicians, filmmakers, and other successful creative types) they might think twice before they pull stunts like what's mentioned in the video.
Almost why that whole interpretation of the 14th ammendment for "corporations are people" was a huge bs trojan horse
Socail/soceital awareness is a good thing.
I think some of the problems are due to intrinsic nature of capitalism. These big corporations start with a few people having a nice idea. Then as time progresses and they get large, those people with the nice idea get replaced by a few people who know how to make huge profits by controlling the market and monopolizing. Somewhere in this transition, democratisation of power needs to happen and these companies need to be made accountable to the public.
Would ‘t these people be the CEO and VP of Engineering? No way these decisions are not part of a bigger plan and them not being in the loop.
As far back as 2000, anybody who thought "don't be evil" would live past an IPO was kidding themselves.
Any company that feels the need to make their motto "Don't be evil" is sus in the first place.
@@chaos.cornermoney and profit can always manipulate everyone's mindset
Possibly it was always a lie. If you create a tool that is so capable of spying, the authoirities are likely going to buy into it once they realize.
@@spiderpig1736you are legally obliged to, as the shareholders actually own the company.
@@chaos.corner I'm pretty sure Page and Brin knew what kind of impact Google would have on the internet and they also knew what happens to every company that gets too big which is why they felt compelled to add that line. Their mistake is being arrogant enough to think that they could beat the trend by being aware of it.
Thank you for setting an example on how to be rightfully outraged while maintaining a positive mood and making meaningful change. Its far too easy to focus on the negative and give up hope or to focus on the positive and lose touch with reality. I think its one of the most important things you impart on viewers.
Thank you very much for the kind words.
Actually I am here because he is a really cool² drama queen³.
And I like drama, sometimes.
² He is making people aware. In an accessible way (at least for me). He distills time (doing research, talking/writing with people, ..., editing&uploading) into less time (me watching video) - would not be surprised if I get one hour investment of his (and his helpers?!) lifetime for every minute of video... (Would be interesting to hear his guess there)
³ The emotion! well dosed, controlled - but totally there
@@rossmanngroup i see how it is. thx.
@@rossmanngroupSecurity is largely a non factor. The people I want security from are the bankers and Google anyway. And anonymity is the best security from them. Which means an unsecured phone that anyone can be using.
I second what @Johnr3963 said. This is now my new favorite example on how to report on technical issues and explain how it impacts the broader public. Succinct and humble, yet with an edge honed by years of field experience. Your small business owner background makes your word carry more weight and emphasizes the real-world impact. Thank you. I will try to repay by sharing your content and advocate locally.
A Mobile OS CANNOT be called such without a dialer and messenger. When it is truly removed from AOSP, people should spam the repo with issue tickets about the OS no longer being complete and valid as an Open Source OS, but should instead be rebranded to an ARM based Kernel project
Exactly
I like the enthusiasm, but effectively, what is that going to do? Google only steps to the clockwork of money, not issue tickets.
@@7GrandDadsHere Getting the attention of devs, that’s the point. If a dev team is told to drop a project, they usually wont argue. But if open contributors say “hey what the fuck” loud enough, and make a good point with it, the actual DEVELOPERS of the project might hear them out and say “yeah wait ur right what” and try to make it right. They at least CAN contact the businessfucks in charge of that stuff and ask to do things different. And generally they’re pretty smart dudes, so they can negotiate and argue well if they get on our side
That said they work for google and they wouldn’t do that unless they were stupid, or soulless and greedy, so who knows. Worth a shot tho
I remember growing up through the 80s and 90s thinking technology was new and exciting and that one day we would have devices where we just press buttons and it makes life easier. We got that - convenience, in bucket loads. What I could never have imagined though is the whole data/privacy/political issues that came along with it all!
the political issues would have been solved decades ago if people could think
"Hmm, these two guys plan on making my life harder with their limited 4 year terms, but they're offering me something 'free' if I vote them in"
Ironically, I used to wonder about how to write libertarian science fiction back in the day, and all these years later, I see how to do just that.
What's funny is that my main character was like Louis.
I don't want to give away the name of the title I had in mind, but it's funny that even as I was grasping at straws, I created a character just like Louis.
I didn't even know what libertarianism was. It wasn't a meme back then. I don't even consider myself a libertarian.
I stumbled upon the concept of right to repair without knowing it was going to balloon into something that affected the military industrial complex--but that's what happened in the story.
There's a corporate coup similar to the neosapien uprising in Exo Spuad, the 90s cartoon.
But in this case, it's a bunch of technocrats who think they know what's best for everyone.
Every day I find a new reason to be glad I won't be alive for a lot longer.
Anything that can be used to monitor and control the masses will be used for that. It looks like the Una-mber was right after all.
@@MonkeyJedi99- Culturally and politically (and increasingly, economically), modern western society is pure s-t.
Android is rapidly losing the only advantage it had over apple.
Remember when most Android devices had an unlocked bootloader and allowed you to install an operating system of your choice? Remember when Android devices had a microSD card slot, and a headphone jack? Remember when Android devices had a user removable battery?
I almost don't. It's been that long.
@rossmanngroup Its planned and controlled to happen. There is no Apple vs Android, its obvious to everyone that has a brain, its left vs right wing of the same bird. They both want total controll, cant be outlawed either, because we wouldnt be at this point (with everything) if the law system wasnt corrupt.
@@rossmanngroup The EU is going to force removable batteries in smart phones like they forced USB-C on phones sold there. I'm however afraid that they're toothless when it comes to IPR related issues. IPR is holy to Google, Amazon, Apple, etc. Though shalt not infringe on the intellectual property rights of those who matter and who own half of the planet.
@@rossmanngroupried to buy a phone, bought a tablet and mp3 player instead. That's how bad it is out here (pixel 6 has worse battery than my last 2 phones and the 7 is still expensive
@@rossmanngroup Here in the EU any smartphone is required to have a removable battery by 2027.
I don't know why they extended that time for that long but it's at least something.
It was a huge blow for custom Android ROMs when banking apps wouldn't play nice with unlocked bootloaders, and manufacturers made it much more difficult to unlock the bootloader at all. I loved finding the right ROM for me, and hate how locked into my stock os I must now be.
This is why we need two factor authentication dongles available everywhere. Just enter the numbers and you're good to go. But noooo, we've gotta use our phones for that...
Luckily there are ways around that. Ways you can’t even think about if you use the golden cage of ios
Android slowly going closed source is even worst when you consider they're using the linux kernel
I thought Linux couldn't be closed? It's been recommended to me for privacy
@@kellysouter4381you are right, legally speaking you cannot take Linux code and make it proprietary, your changes need to be made public under the same license/terms.
@@kellysouter4381It can't. They will always have to offer source for all their changes to the Linux kernel.
But most of Android is not the Linux kernel. Google has been replacing open-source components of their OS with closed equivalents a bit at a time for years.
@@kellysouter4381 Red Hat Enterprise and Oracle Linux.
The AOSP is different from the android kernel. Its currently under an Apache 2.0 licence, but it looks they could change the licence if they wanted to, as there is an agreement developers must sign before contributing patches, which gives Google what looks to be free rein over what they can do with it.
Android has been pulling a lot of shit lately with the blocking of /storage/emulated/0/Android and nerfing sd cards by not allowing third party file managers write access to them
No third part file managers? Lol. That's a rather clear sign that they're no longer offering a generic open (not open source even) operating system and are hell-bent on creating their closed ecosystem that fully integrates and controls both software and hardware.
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I just ordered the samsung A54...... bro
They do it for sd cards since android 5, it is not that recent. If the app is built for new versions of android, it can ask you to grant it access via the file manager. It's an inconvenience and I hated it when I upgraded, but it's not that big of a deal anymore.
Scoped Storage (the blocking of the android folder you refered to), on the other hand, is recent and really sucks. For now, it's really easy to manage it using the AOSP file manager or even some third party ones which have some workarounds, but I expect it to become harder as time goes on. I still use android 10, which is the last version without this, but when I need to change my phone, I will make sure to root it.
I can understand locking out third party apps from accessing storage by implementing a permission for that specific access so not just any app can willy nilly read your storage and log user critical data like photos from DCIM. But not giving the option to access them at all is not a good idea.
@@Finalizor man that sucks. I have not got a new phone in years still on a galaxy s10. At this point just buy used phones with unlocked boot loaders. You might want to return that A54 ASAP.
Google can’t legally just close AOSP. They can however license new additions to be closed and let old code become deprecated while new features replace these can be closed source. This appears to be what they’re doing. It will be by a thousand cuts because it’s the safe and legal strategy.
It's something they've been doing for years. I'm only surprised by this because I thought AOSP Dialer was already dead.
@@CptJistuce it’s been shocking to boot up AOSP inside of the Android SDK for years now. Dialer, messages, and the Android 1.6 search widget on the home screen were pretty telling
If they do something new from scratch without using the previous code and they stop supporting the old stuff, they are on their right to do so. I think that big part of the problem are developers for using Google services and relying only on the play store
The problem is most newer phones are locked and you cannot install another OS. There are plenty open distros of Android, but you can't use them with most devices.
@@solaroid4442 that’s a problem, yes, but a different one.
Android is technically open but the hardware layer is almost entirely closed. The userspace part that consists out of mostly generic components is open for the most part but critical stuff like emergency services are not.
Interfaces are documented, closed parts implement open API's however: these are only open for the vendors to work with each other not for the user.
Some vendors are more open then other but they follow similar scheme e.g. Qualcomm has open kernels but the userspace parts are closed in most cases, yes there are open components but these not really open, the real logic happens inside the closed parts.
Some open source components require the code of closed source components to be build e.g. fmradio support.
Things such as camera are closed not really documented, even if you have the code you can't do much.
Camera stuff is magic on top of magic, it is like knowing black magic.
The kernel side while being mostly GPL isn't completely open as the device tree's are not included in kernels for the most part. The vendor can be so nice to release them however even then you have the issue that vendors like e.g. Qualcomm remove the device tree documentation that you to interact with the downstream (or sometimes even upstream mainline drivers these days) kernel modules to configure your hardware.
Since you depend on userspace blobs to run your hardware you can't easily upgrade the kernel or sometimes even Android version without porting downstream kernel drivers.
the really frustrating part of all that is how google early in android days was able to pressure manufacturers into having documentation, slowly manufacturers stopped providing things like bootloaders unlock and basic hardware interface open source support. Stuff that costs them nothing to release. Now google builds anti consumer features into the OS structure just to f with modders (secure virtualization of the full system image, "coincidentally" ruining systemless root approaches).
Nowadays, stuffs get so complex that people can't even do what they want with their property. I learned to code because I thought I can make my own apps, tools, OS, but the more I know, the less likely it will be my own.
This is not exactly true. The very fact that something like Android x86 exists proves that it's possible to build a functional Android OS from entirely open-source components. And there are even commercial projects built on top of it.
The problem is that phones are custom ARM boards which require a lot of changes under-the-hood to work with Android and Linux in general. And some of these are userspace changes which usually aren't open source. RIL daemons (the part which talks to the modem) are a good example.
ARM Linux in general is an absolute pain in the a** to work on, except maybe for the Pi. And Android, being a really oddball flavor of Linux with it's own custom APIs and interfaces adds an extra layer to that complexity.
@@povilasstaniulis9484 Android x86 doesn't have device trees as X86 has ACPI. Android X86 also doesn't have direct modem support, modem often control everything on the device including bluetooth for example.
@ That's why many people are complaining about "unable to turn on wifi and bluetooth" in android x86, despite most of them has fully capable computer/laptops
I remember when Android was bought by Google. I explained to my friends how currently if a person wanted to make a app for cell phones how it would have to be coded differently for about every different cell as they all worked differently.
How Android provides a common OS so it should be much easier to code once and use everywhere with very few changes. For a while this was mostly true. Until fragmentation pretty much ruined it for app developers.
Now Google has ruined Android which was mostly a good thing due to greed and wanting to control just about every aspect of a users experience on their cell phones.
Do no evil my ass..
You just discovered that just because there's no fee, doesn't mean it's free. Google just wants your private data.
This is why “open source project initiated by company” can’t be trusted. Unix/Linux is the example of projects not initiated by companies (even though there are companies coming along the way), and still shines as an open source project beacon to this day, a force reckoned.
@AnthonyGoodley, I'm not sure you have your facts right. Android OS as we know it today has always been a Google product. Google did buy the startup that first developed it, but it wasn't open source and wasn't in use in devices. It was intended for use in camera and other electronic devices. Android was a secret Google project and version 1.0 wasn't released until well after the iPhone was first launched. Google decided to make it open source.
true sucks that when you leave your project that was working perfectly a two months later when you return to that project you'd have to update a lot even after that the project may not even work
It's all about spyware capitalism.
It's deliberately being done very slowly
slow boil lol
Yep, remove people's rights slowly to reduce resistance.
This isnt new. They saw how effective the slow march through the institutions was and apply the same concept elsewhere.
slow-boiling a frog in a pot doesn't jump out
The scary part is that Android is EVERYWHERE. TVs, cars, refrigerators, audio media, you name it
Up next on the petty squabbles of the internet: Apple users use this news as a way to mock Android users without realizing that we’re all losing
Nobody cares lmao use what device you want 😂
I don't care what system people use. I tried both myself and went to Apple in 2015 after using several Samsung and LG smartphones that had tons of bloatware and issues even after installing custom roms. I'm STILL using the same 2015 iphone. You get zero bloatware with iOS and full control it just works. Gives me zero incentive to need to hack/root the phone.
People can hate on apple all they want too I don't care.
No, we’re just anxiously awaiting you to realize that iPhones were superior all along.
Thanks for being our voice as always Louis.
Being realistic, Making a new OS is a massive challege, making it popular even harder, and if that happens it will be absorbed or bought by a big greedy corp.
"Free" doesnt means "Free" anymore, sadly most of us show that we dont really care anymore bc we are so dependent of their services, we need to start to focus what they do with our data and what they give us in return.
First thing everyone needs to do is stop thinking it's their data. If it was their data, they could keep control over it. But they can't, and no government can or will ever make that possible. Everyone needs to stop living in a fantasy where data can be owned. It cannot be, take that as far into the scary territory as you need to, but it won't change a thing about it.
Only when you realize you can never own data can you start to think properly around issues concerning it and the services that use it. None of these fancy rights that the state offers is sustainable or enforceable to any great degree. At best, a very tiny number of people will be able to take advantage of it, while these kinds of unenforceable laws are really mostly there to act as a bludgeon against small new competition that can't afford huge amounts of staff to "comply."
It's not that much of a challenge. It's just that nobody wants to do it. And things don't just "get absorbed" - they sell out.
Phones should be lightning fast, like the menu on an old CRT TV... you click menu, and the menu appears instantly, within 1 millisecond. Why aren't phones like that, even though they're 1000x faster than the microprocessor in an old 90s TV? Because nobody cares about making them properly. They just want it to run Linux or Android so it can run a bunch of crappy apps.
They should take the top 20 most-used applications and completely rewrite them into one app (similar to WeChat), and make everything instantaneous.
I'd be okay if people focused on making nice desktop managers and interfaces for Ubuntu and other linux distros, I've got Ubuntu on my tablet and it's honestly a much better experience than Windows 10 on a Surface 3 Non pro or Android native was.
It's not that much of a challenge. Its a lot more easy since we have many modern tools that can cut the time to develop it, It's just that nobody wants to do it, as @themodfather9382 already mentioned it
@@themodfather9382 Bro, you exactly spot on what I have been thinking about since some years ago, read my mind.
Growing large enough to be "Too big to fail" so some suits with money in their mind came to the traditional and well known idea of turning open source into closed source.
For instance, android beam was replaced by nearby share, which, guess what... it's hidden away into the closed source play services. I'm trying to do a FOSS implementation for that, but time and motivation aren't really on my side
You should talk to the micro G creator and involve in that project to make a meaningful contribution in what you're aiming for
@@johanjoe3012 Already did, they don't have much time or motivation to do that because there are a bunch more things with priority.
While google has the implementation of the nearby protocol open source, it's code is a mess (IMO) so one has to basically write and document everything from zero
I really hope ubuntus mobile os efforts will result in something stable and i can ditch ios and android for good.
Haven't seen success in years. Tried it on PinePhone and it's still not usable.
LoL, they're trying for 10years, what makes you think they suddenly would get it.
"Ubuntu's mobile OS" was abandoned by Ubuntu a while ago. It's now being maintained and developed much more slowly by a crowdfunded community, and frankly it's not really looking that good
Canonical is a poison pill on it's own. We need a non profit organization which has enough funding for making a platform which gets accepted by the industry. It is not about the OS (Android OS project is a good base, there are others as well), but the integration of apps and features of the outside world. Having banking apps work, having an android auto alternative work, having device manufacturers chosing it over Android.
Sailfish is still a viable option i think
It really looks like big open source companies are just about done with the open source part of it. This, RedHat making source access commercial and trying to kill clones via license terms, Cannonical moving more and more into their own package format with source access already much more hidden, and the list goes on. This is the world we get because we accepted the move from copyleft licenses like GPL to permissive licenses like Apache, MIT, etc.
Androids development process is already barely an open source process (one big push on release of new update), and most of android is licensed permissive, so so could stop publishing most source code tomorrow, except for their kernel changes.
And CodeWeavers are now hurt after Apple released GPTK, effectively redistributing a lot of FOSS projects, particularly Wine licensed under LGPL
I know it sounds counterintuitive, but IMHO we need a more restrictive open source license where you a) have to offer your changes back to the original developer and b) actually contain contractual fines for violating the license
Source access isn't commercial for Redhat you can access the sources of RHEL via CentOS Stream. Similar to OpenSUSE Leap being built on SLES/SLED sources RHEL is build on Stream.
Redhat fully follows the GPL, anybody can publish their sources.
Who is this "we" guy? Copyleft was used because developers believed in it. Developers stopped believing in it. It was never about the users, who could always have cared less about the matter. I don't think developers are going to go back to copyleft, because they realized that they had to get real jobs and make money at some point, and if they couldn't close the source when needed for people who demanded that they were stuck, even if they were the primary contributor.
IP is the problem, copyleft was always a terrible solution to that problem.
@@martinum4 It is exceedingly unlikely that such a contract would be enforceable in court, much less for those not able to pay to go to court.
The real solution is to reject IP, wholesale. Then all forms of reverse engineering are always allowed, and there is very little a company can do about former employees leaking information in most cases .
I have been an Android Software Engineer since 2009 (5 years of mobile development before that on Symbian and Blackberry)... Anyways, the last 5 years have been absolutely TERRIBLE as an Android developer! The downfall of Android is REAL! Their APIs, their "support" on the Play Store, their everything makes our lives as Developers extremely unpleasant and unnecessarily difficult. It's crazy how the lanes have changed between Apple and Google in this regard. Apple's support with Developers are amazing, you get to speak to actual humans when you have problems with App Store, their APIs and Swift is becoming increasingly amazing and fun to work with compared to Android's. Apple takes a smaller cut for real, where Google preaches they do, but they really do NOT! There is too many boxes to tick with Google to get the 15% cut deal. Then the actual operating system is getting so closed off compared to Apple's ios too... Weird! Like on iphone I can drag drop files between devices, EVEN WITH WINDOWS NOW! But NOT on Android?!?! What happened Google?! What has happened with "Don't be Evil" ????
I get that android is calling off a cliff but is iOS that open?
Maybe I'm just blind but I wasn't even aware you and build nor upload IPAs to Appstore connect except from a mac. What are alternatives on windows?
I'm sorry, what did you say? Apple got you better deal? Damn you got the whole squad laughing bro😐
@@andrive Nope, ever since SAF was created you have restricted directories making some convenience apps require either root or fugly workarounds
@@hydra3693 true but I don't think the average user is going to explore the /android folder
@@hydra3693dont file manager apps have special permission?
Android needs to remain opensource to remain a viable alternative and keep the custom rom ecosystem going on
we are well past the point where that matters, as long as it's customizable for the phone manufacturers it will maintain its monopoly on non-Apple stuff
There's hardly any mainstream android phones that allow custom roms now due to locked bootloaders.. The only two I know about now are Fairphone and ironically Pixel phones.
@@6581punkXiaomi exists, but that's a pain, and Motorola is getting worse here
@@6581punk There are many phones that still have unlockable bootloaders and big communities.
@@6581punk so samsung locked theirs?
Thye open source is a ruse to get people like me to literally buy into it. By systematically closing these holes they will hike up the prices like Apple and charge even more for their Google play aps as well. Since G is part of streaming services and TV's etc., they stand to make a fortune from these manufacturers and raise costs for the end users. It's unethical to promise something and then chip it away but corporate greed will do as it chooses. Thanks for keeping us all in the loop about what's going on.
I’m now curious how much privacy people had using blackberry phones. Or was massive data collection & sale of that data not much of a thing then?🤔
Blackberry was good enough that the U.S. and Canadian governments required all government employees to use Blackberry devices _for security reasons!_
Blackberry relied heavily on the corporate exchange servers. It was a much thinner client.
@@davidgoodnow269 way to smash them too 😂
Embrace, Extend and Extinguish.
I noticed this back when I had a Galaxy Nexus in 2012. Google started removing the native browser and email client (both fully open source) and replaced them with Chrome and Gmail.
Dont ever stop doing this please i love a person who is letting us know how bad these companies are getting
I was just talking about this 3 days ago with my husband. He wasn't aware at all.
Stuff like this makes me wish that I could afford to live in a cabin in the woods with no connection to the world. I really hope that Linux phones become a thing. I'm so sick of this.
Same. I'm seriously considering getting a dumb phone and pretending it's the early 2000s when you had to wait to get home to your computer to do stuff.
@@gustavofigueiredo1798 GPD Pocket with linux?
Whenever a new tech comes out, ethics and morals are thrown out the window. Thank goodness for channels like this.
Louis, thank you. Your coverage of corporate anti-consumer behavior keeps my eyes open to the bs these companies are pulling. It helps me make informed decisions.
Thank you! For making this video. Ever since "android one" died google has been moving towards a more closed source
There are a few Linux based Phone options
PinePhone, Librem 5, Volla Phone and FairPhone
When it comes to Linux based phone operating systems you have Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS, postmarketOS (pmOS), Mobian and PureOS
None of them are "mature" yet, but they are getting better
Sure would be nice to be able to run them on a phone that doesn't cost several hundred dollars though... or one that will operate openly in North America without a heck of a fight from the phone service providers...
@@CaptainSeamus Literally every phone costs "several hundred dollars" that isn't old or garbage.
Ubuntu Touch was great on the one phone I was able to try it on, which sadly had no LTE support in the OS so no 'mobile' features, it was just a tiny tablet, but everything was slick and responsive even on an older phone that Android ran poorly on.
I wish the team had more members working on more support, I have a bunch of older phones I'd love to install it on and try replacing Android with it but none of them are even partially supported nor do I have the skills to contribute to the project as my experience is in game dev
SailfishOS for me is the by far best system. It works reliably and has even Android app support if you want...
In Europe you can even buy some newer Sony models pre installed with sailfish.
Obviously google play services won't work - but that's kind of the goal also?
@@Sergeeeeki hope you enjoy xi’s finest hardware wiretap on your new phone.
As a decently technical software dev, I've been in the situation where a FOSS project I rely on has broken or gone un-maintained, and my first reaction was to be frustrated with the developer.
On such an occasion, I'd clone the repo and try to fix it myself. Half the time I'd be forced to give up not being able to figure out a solution, but 💯 of the time I would realize the _Sisyphean_ effort the original devs had put into the project.
It's crazy the work that some people put to not only not being praised or compensated as it should but instead have to deal with requests and complaints
I remember the days when Microsoft was sued for IE integrated into Windows. So I don't understant why Google can do the same or even worst thing and they are not sued.
Doesn't seem to have done much, since Edge comes preinstalled on Windows still and search results via the search bar will always default to it.
Because Google doesn't have any S in their name you can substitute a dollar-sign for.
Because the government doesn’t care about anti competitive actions and monopolies anymore.
@@CptJistuce "Googl¢" would work in typefaces where the line goes all the way through the c.
Instead of dollars they earn pounds and euros, making them Goog£€
Hi Louis, there are a number of issues with the Leith paper from Trinity College Dublin that have been gone over a few times now, so I wouldn't reference it as a source for much. For example, the usage of Google Apps on Lineage OS then asserts that LOS was the one sending data. What's more, the same author previously published a paper stating that Android sends four times the amount of data to Google than iOS does to Apple. This was done by measuring file sizes, which for a number of reasons is deeply flawed. I approached Leith with a number of concerns about his methodology (alongside a colleague) and never received a response.
As for the dialer and messenger app, they had been replaced long ago by the likes of LOS and other AOSP-based ROMs. Google is definitely moving some things to being more proprietary (Nearby Share being a good example that was previously in AOSP and is now in Play Services) but these apps aren't really a symptom of that issue. Mishaal Rahman had a great Twitter/Mastodon thread about this issue.
I've spent years using linux, constantly having to play catch up to get my programs to run properly and avoid the bs crap. On the computer it's easier because more people are doing those actions so help is available from the community. On the android the "community" is so tiny that it is 10x harder to keep up and I gave up several years ago.
I like some of their advanced spyware features, but I really do wish it were private. You could do the Google maps tracking history thing without sharing it, they just don't want to. The amount of times I've used those tracks to remember which restaurant I went to in a different state 3 years ago is higher than 0.
Not defending Google, but honestly would Google Maps be that good if it wasn't for constant gathering of data and location from all of those devices?
@@alinousalinous3728 It'd be totally fine if they gathered that data. It's different when they gather it, then sell it to everyone who asks. "Hey, can you tell me where this guys been for the last 10 years?" Sure! That'll be $50/person!
@@alinousalinous3728 most of their useful features are only possible with tracking. Like real-time traffic data
Microsoft has been doing this for years. Open sourcing certain things but then never promising to not add proprietary components to open source products. It's the old embrace, extend extinguish. While a lot of people don't like it, I think that only software that is GPL can stop this, as it cannot be integrated with proprietary components
I wonder if the reason the dialer is being removed is because of some country's wiretapping laws requiring a back-door that then requires a closed source to hide how it works.
Not likely. Outbound communication is kinda difficult to hide from reverse engineering and MitM packet capture.
I mean, Google Play Services are closed-source, and yet we have microG.
Nah. It's the same reason they discontinued the AOSP e-mail client years ago.
Google removed the option to record calls, using lame excuse that its against the law of "SOME" countries, but not my country, Netherlands. We are allowed to record phone calls but Daddy Google has decided for us that its not allowed to record...right.
We are seeing this with all the major companies working with open source OS. This is also happening with Linux Red Hat at the moment. These open source projects need to update their licenses to prevent companies from taking these open source projects closed source or behind a paywall/subscription with draconian legal clauses.
Or just.. Not sell their project to a company that only cares about its stocks, and only in the short term? That seems like the single major mistake that always leads to stuff like this.
I noticed this last year, it's why I use Simple Camera, Simple Dialer, and Pulse SMS because I like being able to text on my mobile device from my PC.
I imagine that Simple Dialer's code is largely based on AOSP dialer
I’m not sure if you’ve ever done this in a video before, but would you ever consider making a forum, video, book or some sort of one time pay media explaining how to protect your privacy etc with your devices? Im sure I could find each individual topic somehow online, but I would be willing to pay for a book or file or something that contains that sort of info. Also how to be a TH-camr and still stay safe etc would be really interesting. Great video btw thanks for covering the important topics.
Once they make open source project obsolete, they will make it where you will need to pay an operational fee like windows did when they went over to 11. Just like for operating cars, to pay a monthly fee just to operate features within the car.
ISP data plans, mega-corp phone plans, more money down the toilet while we own nothing and must smile for the overlords delight.
@@Rexhunterj I've said this before, and I will say it again, if you are going to charge an operator's fee for the item, then you cannot charge an exuberant amount of money especially you are basically a slave to the paid service.
“Proprietary spyware”. Love it😂
Stallman was right
i love u man, i love everything u stand for, keep it up bro, we stand with you
Ideally, when you boot up a phone for the first time, you'll be asked what OS you want, and display if popular apps will be available for each one.
I love these videos were you openly talk about topics like this. The door is closing for the repair industry. I believe we are marching towards a disposable society.
More and more I'm increasingly seeing your point about how companies will entice you into the pot of water with good promises, then slowly boil you like a frog for the next decade as they pluck each away each of those promises one by one until there's nothing left.
back in android 6ish they made it so when you turn 'off' anything like bluetooth or especially GPS it doesnt actually turn it off, it 'removes access from 3rd party apps' meaning google ALWAYS knows where you are, what youre saying, what youre connected to. at all times.
back in android 4ish, when you turned those off, you did it to save battery life, it would easily get you back 1-2hrs back when phones lasted hopefully a day. now it does nothing because they dont actually turn off anything
Nope. If you do a factory-reset on your phone and set it up from scratch with maximum privacy (hint: Before doing the reset, or from a PC, turn off all of that tracking and history stuff on your Google account . . . but you better print out all of your Contacts as a personal phone book! Downloading your information from Google produces files that are completely unusable by anyone!)
The key is to (1) NEVER, and I do mean *ever,* turn on and log-in to *ANY* WiFi; (2) disable Location Services and Bluetooth.
If you *ever* use WiFi even once, it will keep turning itself on and checking for available WiFi every few minutes, even if you have WiFi "switched" off! That eats a *lot* of battery, cumulatively, through the day.
Location Services and Bluetooth, likewise, by turning on and scanning for location using G.P.S. and known Bluetooth device locations, the same way as Google uses known WiFi locations for "Fine" location refinement (when G.P.S. alone will put you within 10 meters/33 feet), burn battery something awful!
Each of those things will add another hour back to your battery, at a minimum. If there are circumstances blocking signals, it will recover far more. However, you *must* turn off tracking in your Google account, or Google *will* force your phone to frequently locate you!
Finally, if you want to save battery, *turn off cellular data.* That *triples* my battery life, as a minimum! When I *want* to *use* data, I turn it on, otherwise, *off!* After resetting my phone to fix a display glitch, I did not set-up WiFi, and I've had history turned off since that became an option years ago. My battery life went from a few hours to a day and a half. Turning off data except when I want it takes me to three days on a charge, depending on what else I'm doing. Obviously, reading eBooks uses the display and that burns more battery than anything else in a phone!
Oddly, setting a phone to *Airplane Mode* saves *NO* BATTERY LIFE! Why? I don't know!
Considering that some users,myself included use phones that are 4-5 years old with A13 thanks to custom ROM, Android needs to stay Open Source or many of these old phones would be thrown away
Do the Shareholders and Ceo's care?
@@Pyxis10 Sadly no
why does my SMS app need a Google sign in for me to start it??😂 😂
Google is listening so intently it pulled up assistant from you saying it in the video 😂
The open source support is literally the only reason I swapped from Apple to Android. I didn't really partake, but I wanted to reward a company being more user friendly and allowing people to actually own and play with the things they bought. Guess I may as well consider swapping back soon. I appreciate you shining the light on topics like this....even though usually that light is just flat out disheartening.
For this specifically they are still twenty times better than Apple who is complaining about "third party" app stores and their other anticompetitive practices becoming illegal in Europe. But Google isn't nearly half as pro consumer as they were a decade ago, now that they rule everything they've become complacent
I never used Apple phones before, but stuff like this are making me very seriously consider swapping over to an Apple phone when my current one needs replaced.
@@shadowninja6689 tbh I think abandoning ship for another sinking one is a bad idea...
@@shadowninja6689 apple fucking sucks. when you learn how apple manages app storage vs "files app" storage is when you'll wish you never switched. you need to have a million tiny workarounds because of the "apple way"
@@shadowninja6689 stayed in a multiple patches ship that will disintegrate someday and jumping to a floating cage is still not very clever minded though
I'm an occasional recreational Android developer. I was dismayed when I saw a bunch of the functionality move from being general OS provided services to being provided by the proprietary Google Play services. A very dark day.
Open source software owned by corporations are all vulnerable to this sort of things. For those into Linux, Red Hat is also trying to kill open source downstream distros. FOSS requires management from a independent non-profit organisation to stay healthy long term. We should buy from ethical companies that sponsor open source projects rather companies that outright owns them. This sort of decoupling gives us leverage, we can just stop buying if their stances changes. I don't think it's up to the individual to finance open source project, this has been shown time and time again that it doesn't work. I think we need a license that effectively "taxes" larger companies using projects but that remains permissive to individuals, we need a stronger license than GPLv3
I'm just gonna give you your props on the aviator drip in the thumbnail Louis. Stay up bro.
They did the same thing on the developer experience side. Java is a well-tested, widely used programming language used by software developers all over the world for decades now. Java was also the language used by Android for the longest time. However, Google has been pushing for a new language to "supplement" Java called Kotlin.
The hypocrisy is when they say "We're not getting rid of Java, we're just going to prioritize Kotlin" - what they really did is release libraries and features only for Kotlin - effectively dropping support for Java without saying it.
Effectively screwing over people with decades of experience...
Wasn't part of the push for Kotlin related to the fact Oracle was suing Google over how it was using Java on Android?
Java has a lot of historical baggage that's holding back its design.
Kotlin, however, does not (not yet, anyway) and incorporates from the start some serious language design learnings made in the meantime.
So good riddance on that one.
Even though I side with many comments on this post, this one is not among them...
Java has a lot of extra baggage to carry around, and Google is very good at developing languages, like dart(flutter), golang and kotlin...
Many issues with android app development might go away with the kotlin... And also, oracle is not sun Microsystems, and it tried to sue Google..
They are shit as a company though... Not as much as apple, but that's not a merit.
Kotlin is a miles better language than Java ever was, as someone whose first language was Java. You don't lose any experience since you use the same tooling (IDE, build tool, profilers) since it's also on the JVM. You even get to use all of the Java libraries you already know because it's both fully able to call Java code, and can be called by Java code. It's a monumental move forward for the JVM, and an important one to compete with Apple's Swift.
The interesting thing is that some people prefer to have no apps at all over having Android or iOS. I sold many classic phone only security phones that work.
I'm worried about this ,even be let manufacturers not offering:
- two years battery replacement
- no headphones in the box
- no wall charger in the box
- remote access to your device (Samsung note 7 )
- constantly showing you that you need to update your device with the software turned off for updates
- i have 1800 € s10 plus 1tb version performance (the first Samsung ultra) that has card support to 512gb, this one barley works and Samsung decided not to give it the android 13 abd this was the most expensive smartphone in history when was new 😢 and they still find people too trade in this one for 300 $ in exchange for price cut for a new one 😮
All these problems are created by local consumers agencies that allows manufacturers to do this in exchange for bribery or nothing, we need to complain to this government organisations for them to take actions 😢
Is only one solution to this problem, refusing to buy a new device for years to come 😊
I remember looking forward to Treble as I got into flashing new operating system before it and while I never bricked a phone totally, I had to do some opening up phones and do hard resets because of it, destroyed the IMEI numbers once etc. So i thought Treble would finally put an end to that bullshit and it would become easier to create roms for every phone.
In reality each phone I had after Android 8 just did not work with custom Roms for a variety of reasons. Either there were no Roms, something which according to the hype up of Treble should not have been possible anymore as one Rom supposedly would fit every phone in basic functionality. Or there were hardware which did not allow modifying the bootloader like in tons of Samsung phones. or it simply did not work. Ranging from the network connection just crashing after a few minutes until a reboot, to WPA2 not working for Wifi, to every app and their mother saying they need google services to apps in the home profile having access to data from apps in the work profile and vice versa.
Either I became much dumber, which I don't exclude, or flashing a new ROM to a phone and it actually working became exponentially harder than it was before. The last few phones I disabled all apps I disliked, even Playstore etc through ADB, because I just gave up on managing to find a single Rom which was working on the phone, even AOSP.
That is definitely nothing an end user would ever do, AOSP could just as well be dead for 99% of people because they would not even manage to flash it onto their phones. That is sadly the situation we are in.
I am not an IT person, but I taught myself how to use Windows, then Linux, flash firmware and root and customize smartphones and even before Siemens phones. I think I am as knowledgeable as one could reasonably expect from an average person and I threw in the towel. I went the route of multiple phones, so even if the ones with my banking data leak information, it doesn't matter as they never leave my house or even go online unless i need a pin. Another phone with all the discount apps and stuff that tracks you which I switch off unless when I need it and finally my private phone with signal on it, no google software etc, at least hopefully as I could not procure a clean Rom and just disabled them in ADB. Even doing all this is already a huge hassle and should definitely not be needed.
I just hope they are doing it because almost no one uses it and not because they plan to kill AOSP. I mean, outside of custom roms, everyone uses google services and will include the google dialer and the google messages instead.
I'm using LineageOS with microg for now, just as a test, and it is really impressive. MicroG even manages to pass SafetyNet, which I did not expect. I hope it continues to be possible.
Does microG allow for Widevine L1 or are you stuck at L3 though? Honest question, since I've been contemplating taking -ColorOS- OxygenOS off my OnePlus 8T for some time now.
@@XudmudI got Widevine L1 working. My device is a Redmi Note 8. Apparently, it is dependant on your manufecturer, so you need to check the internet for information your device model.
Also, I don't think it has anything to do with MicroG, but rather with the bootloader status. I have a tablet with LineageOS and Play Services and it dropped to L3 anyway.
Vendors need AOSP it won't die.
@ I know, but I think it may become so empty it becomes useless without the vendors' modifications. I mean, dialer and messages are essential parts of the device, probably the AOSP browser will go next...
@@pessoaanonima6345 The AOSP browser is chromium. The dailer and messages apps are only really relevant ass reference apps. I wouldn't relay on them. I moved away from Android years ago.
Recently started using postmarketOS on a oneplus 6, essentially a full linux distro plus phone interface and functionality.
Super cool and already impressive, but a shame phone manufacturers make hardware difficult to support. I really hope open-hardware phones take off.
I *really* thinks it's high-tide we develope our own decentralised tech, kernel, IoT, social media, net fiber, ISP ect.
With encrypted e-mail communication, anonymous payments and private web browsing.
Secure and surveillance resistant communication. Instant encrypted text, and e-mail communication.
The internet is *for now* free with information and knowledge.
I'm going to start do research and build.
Who else is up to the challenge with me?
Good luck with phones, is all I gotta say. AT&T has a whitelist of what devices will work with it, and if you can't bribe- I mean they decide your device isn't safe enough, they'll block it from working.
we need more people willing to actually do development like this
quite unfortunate that im not willing to
That's all I'm saying for at least a couple of years, but no one listens :q
Unfortunately, achieving this goal is not that easy as long as we don't have access and technical specifications to the hardware itself.
If you can't trust the hardware, you can't trust the software either. If you don't know how the hardware works and its programming interface, you can't program it either. (Unless you painfully reverse-engineer it yourself.)
And that's the crux of the problem here - we've become too much dependent on devices made by someone else, and everything that happens to us right now is the direct result of it. In order to free the Internet, we need to free the software, but in order to free the software, we first have to free the hardware.
@@mewnani
You have a great point there! =D Thank you! It's good we brainstorm and think off all possibilities and challenges to overcome.
Orcas Island made their own internet through determination and they came together through donations and the strength in their relationships.
I think we have too have a shot, if we work together to protect our rights.
I want all of these, currently I don't have any money though.
That being said some of these aren't practical, some already exist.
I think it would be best to start with an ISP.
I don't think it's possible to "decentralize" some of these things. I guess it also depends what you mean by it.
A problem with socials is in order for it to be social people have to want to use it.
Same issue with stuff like windows and android. These are already widely adopted and because certain apps/games can't be ported then you're stuck.
This is why it's sadly better to fight for rights on platforms that already exist then it is to make a new one's.
Eg. Chris titus techs debloat script. Atlas OS or whatever it was called.
I think it would be more cost effective and efficient to try and take what's already on the internet and either support them or make it better.
To start we should make a list of good, bad and the ugly.
Stuff like framework laptops are good. stuff like windows isn't the worst but part bad. Then you have stuff like cannon which are the ugly.
Also if we had right to repair and net neutrality legislation then half of that would already be solved.
you are 100% RIGHT Louis, BUT MAYBE if we ALL start PAYING FOR WHAT we love, I really appreciate what the custom rom makers have done in the past, parallel economies louis!!! we need to keep the tech DIY WORLD ALIVE!! its TIME for US to wake up, and introduce ourselves to each other, we wanna be freed from corporate slavery!! nobody likes it, especially ppl like you and me and your fans also! thats up to US! WE can DO IT!! we cant let our positive future die!! Ive NEVER been a quitter when things get tough! I love your resolve and Ill be taking care of my favorite aosp fork writers soon! , im really bad due for a new permanent smartphone, Ive been scanning around looking for something I can fully bootloader unlock and custom romify...
I REALLY want a new mobile OS, with no involvement from Google or Apple.
Pinephone?
KaiOS seemed promising in that regard, and being able to have that option in the mobile phone market of a device that's a middle point between a feature phone and a smartphone, like a cheaper and simpler smartphone, seemed cool to me, until they sold it to Google.
Problem is, as long as there are developers and engineers out there with a mentality that equates partnering or getting acquired by Google, Microsoft, Amazon or any other Big Tech, with success, this will keep happening and their plans to abolish private property in the name of fascism will continue to progress.
So we need developers, engineers and people working in new tech companies with integrity and actual values, people who care for the customer and reject servitization and the intention to take away ownership from users and customers.
not possible, those will always be a curiosity only a few hundred people at most are using
the crack down on rooted device detection in apps is ridiculous. Have to turn off/deny services.
The way my phone is setup, it is IMO much more secure than your standard android...especially samsung.
A/B partitioning was the start of all of this.
I remember side-loading Android on my htc-hd2 and the crazy amount of roms I used on it
While you could argue that there are only two options right now, there are properly open-source Linux based operating systems for phones.
For example postmarketOS on my Xiaomi Redmi 2 Prime runs pretty good. It even comes with dialler and messaging apps.
And while one might say that a budget phone from 2016 with a crashy operating system isn't much to look at, the properly open-source mobile OS scene has been getting bigger and bigger and is making more and more progress.
Im going through this right now, I cant even unlock the bootloader on my US S22 galaxy phon3. Its criminal.
Good opportunity for a new OS to rise up
Your videos are always informative, but sometimes they are depressing as well, because you make it pretty clear that when it comes to tech, the only way to win, is not to play. That is unfortunate.
'You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain…’
I use a modified play store and play services that send garbage to Google services. The downside is a lot of websites block my traffic as spam because my info keeps bouncing around the world.
What are they called?
microG is an incredible piece of software
I fear that google will shut it down eventually
Excellent information.
Linus' TechLinked brought me here :)
Love your videos, Louis, even if I miss some from time to time
* Pulling compinents out of the main Android OS so they can be shipped out as separately updatable components
Me: Yeah, that sounds good. Being stuck on old versions has been a headache for Android users for, what, like a decade now?
* Making those pulled out components closed source (or with no replacement) despite them coming from an open source OS
Me: Ok, hol' up there; I got big problems with that
ASOP apps have gotten so out of date as well, they used to keep up with the styling of the rest of the OS
Tbh, how much innovation can go into the dialer and messaging apps at this point? Forking the latest available code and maintaining it for security and bug fixes should not be too difficult.
One thing I have been noticing is that google is putting more and more focus on the software of their pixel phones instead of the AOSP. The new android updates are filled with teases of pixel-specific or pixel-optimised features. Instead of developing phones around android, they are now developing android around pixel phones. And people are buying pixel products so much right now that I'd say its one of their most successful products at the moment, so its kinda predictable that they will focus on the field that pays them the most amount of money.
This is why the last phone purchase i made was an iphone because over the years Android has lost more and more of its positives. If im going to be stuck with a locked bootloader i might as well use an iphone. At least i know it will be supported for twice the amount of time as the avg android phone.
...and Red Hat's opensource code (for the forks) also, apparently, gets paywalled by IBM.
It's kinda different situation. They argue about how forking without providing additional features hurts community and thus companies. RHEL Alma, Rocky Linux.
@@darukutsu Wouldn't that be a sort of gaslighting on IBM's side? Because if forking "hurts community", then "let's kill Github" is next, and then the snowball effect ensues.
It's a good thing CalyxOS already makes their own dialer and messaging app. The messaging app doesn't yet support RCS, but it is functional for regular SMS/MMS messaging.
I think RCS hooks into Google's servers half the time anyways.
This reminds me of why I pre-ordered the librem 5 back in the day. Sadly by the time I got it, it was almost dead on arrival due to no 5G support (still works, but I doubt it has a long shelf life left). However, I want to see more projects like that over time so people can have the option to just say "screw this". Its no coincidence every carrier decided to whitelist IMEIs for their VoLTE as soon as people started physically getting Librem 5s though...
I really love Simple Mobile Tools, open source available both f-droid and plague store.
And yes i've sponsored them.
I'd rather deal with the flaws of a linux phone than use a closed phone.. the tech is no longer fun anyway, so missing out on apple/google things isn't anywhere near as bad as it used to be. Quickly becoming desired.
It isn't designed to be fun, exciting, only in a bad way suprising
There are many people like me who barely earn enough money to have a somewhat good life.
Picking up new phones therefore is close to impossible unless you want to pay for some garbage plan with shitty conditions.
Even so, plenty of folks are on prepaid cards and those have to provide a device themselves, those often come with fairly outdated versions of Android and run worse and worse with each software update there is for their tools because those get more and more bloated as well.
I still consider the Galaxy S5 as the golden standard in everything, the pinnacle of what we have seen in a triangle of hardware power, hardware support and reparability.
Sure there are companies like Fairphone these days - who too have their issues as stated by yourself, Louis - but that won't help those poor consumers who barely can even afford a new device.
I'd love to spend more money towards FOSS projects and in this case custom ROM developers but the bitter truth is, I can't to an extent that'd justify myself as I can tell this is plenty of work to get a ROM working right (which people can easily tell by browsing through 1000's of threads on XDA with ROMs not being fully functional and potentially never will be).
6:36 Magically appearing cat is here to save the day!
As ai improves and we better learn to use it, im certain a lot more coders are going to appear in the next few years and a lot more people are going to do bigger things. The consumer vs ceo arms race will never end.
The moment that AI systems can handle larger file/code stacks, programming is going to become as end-user friendly as browsing the internet.
Give it a couple years. We're getting there.
Wow 2 dumb bros 😂
@@VolvithBut, the ''programmer'' is beholden to AI software written by their enemies within the corporation.
@@debtminer4976Can it write another Ai?
Hate to quote him, but, as Max Stirner said, the men of the future will yet fight their way to many a liberty that we do not even miss. AI will begin to bring freedom from the limitations of our human bodies and minds. There will come a time of post scarcity, where you won't need to be intelligent or capable at all to make a product that is superior to what the greatest geniuses can make. This will set us free in that it will get rid of the fundamental tyranny that we don't think about. That's the tyranny of material reality. The fact that you need powerful intelligent men to create civilization. Soon every man won't just be a king, but effectively also a scholar and a genius. Then the CEOs will lose their power.
Hey Louis, whats your opinion on phone to buy for my second phone?
Sounds like most brand is terrible tp consumer. Should we just something second?
many of the antenna drivers are closed source, so you either wait or jailbreak the protocol which is a pita, otherwise we could just make the latest version work on our old phones.
Android has by very beginning pissed me off by the "innovative" scheme of multitasking/memory management that doesn't let *user* to decide what runs in background *and* what not (a giant leap back towards stone-age from the true innovation of 90s properly praised and respected back then - the pre-emptive multitasking, Android's one being even inferior than its original precedessor, the co-operative multitasking!) Then, the constant API changes for sake of change, dropping of support for every few years for sake of dropping, constant changes for sake of change, horrible code bloat, horrible UI design. Android has grown from "a little bad" into horrible disaster. We need to ditch it, finally. Thanks a lot Louis, for finally calling out the suckingness of Android, which has for over a decade got way too much apologism.
No one will ditch it because it's convenient (same for ios) for common people and that's what matters - what majority wants because that's where the money is not in what a bunch of nerds want, like deciding what runs in the background lol, most people want to just use their phones not min max fucking ram usage.
Yup. I hate using Discord because I can't shut it off without uninstalling it every time I want to "hang up."
I received an invite at work to a Discord group, so I installed Discord and logged in and suddenly a slew of inappropriate language/conversations spewed out of my speakers... Sexual conversations, near constant f-bombs, etc. It took me about a half hour to try to mute it (which Discord literally doesn't allow btw) before I spent the three minutes of loud voices uninstalling the app and rebooting my phone.
I almost got fired from work that day.
Also the same thing for music apps... And I'm talking about TH-cam Music and Amazon Music.
It's almost impossible to get those things to not hog the notification display because you can't close them. Ever. You have to reboot your phone to get rid of them from your notifications.
@@humbughumbughumbug Is this a problem with Stock Android ? I use MIUI and it allows user to stop any app from autostarting and running in the background once cleared from memory, thus preventing any notifcations unless the app is opened. Also Android allows notification blocking from different channels irrespective of UI as far as I know.
@@humbughumbughumbugbruh, the mute and deafen button are right there in the ui of the voice chat. Wtf are you on about?
I absolutely *hate* what is happening to Android, specifically not being able to access files from inside an app I've installed, especially when I have files that I want to use in multiple apps
Root and custom ROM are mandatory pretty much for me. Phones are not appliances for me.
Louis, I like how you talk about what matters to you. Independent critical thinking is the gateway to becoming an active participant in shaping one's own destiny. I hope that your mode continues to inspire an independence even half as fierce in others.
We got to get together and crowd source a modular and open phone. The PC has standards which allow manufacturers to conform to a baseline design. We just need a similar one for phones at every evolution of the form factor.
Somedays I ask myself what's the point with resisting? I care about my privacy, and I care about my rights. But every day it gets harder and harder to keep the very few things we have left.
Last night I was listening to a podcast that briefly hypothesized about future algorithms that will become so good at predicting your behavior that it'll be infinitely harder to escape them. Like some Hotel California shit: "And she said, 'We are all just prisoners here /
Of our own device" and "Relax" said the night man / "We are programmed to receive / You can check out any time you like / But you can never leave." These machines will know what to do to make you stay before you even realized you wanted to leave. Terrifying. I know algorithms of today are so good already. TH-cam knows exactly what I'd like to see next. But they're built on the principles of addiction, and so are limited by that. If you take away the object of one's addiction, you break the addicting object's hold on the individual. Then improvement and healing can behind. Of course, you can't unpickle a cucumber. So the individual will always be weak to their vices. Now, what if, once the individual is addicted to TH-cam or whatever, their algorithm knows exactly how to keep them on or at least connected for extended periods of time (weeks or months) and across all software, operating systems, and devices. No matter where you go, you're connected to the machine. Maybe at this point it's time to give it up: let them have it. Try to build a life in which you don't need this technology, or at least to be connected, except maybe for work-exclusive or other specific tasks. Try to build your own garden. Something of that sort.
I feel like I'm a rambling madman!
I have a very simmilar train of thought, bud. Lately I've been seriously thinking about just switching to a dumb phone and living like if it was 2007.
Me too most of the time.
The biggest problem with this is that the majority of people don't understand or care enough about privacy. At least, that's my view and opinion.
This has been bothering me recently too that not enough people are talking about this. Them reintroducing old open source features as rebranded closed sourse ones sucks. And security features reducing choices even for power users with the hidden settings sucks too.
thankfully there's already some open source dialers and sms messenger that exist so maybe os developers can fork some of those or maybe partner with them to be installed as part of a default app suite
Here's a couple hot takes.
1. Android is not a phone-exclusive OS anymore: think TVs/TV boxes, cars, e-readers, game consoles - on all of these phone-specific apps are unnecessary bloat, so, IMO, they shouldn't be a part of the core OS project anyway.
2. There are FOSS replacements in much better shape maintenance-wise: Simple Mobile Tools, QKSMS, Emerald Dialer, etc. - gutting unmaintained codebases might actually *increase* the quality of the respective apps on average.
Now, there is one potential problem: these AOSP apps also double as examples and reference implementations. One could argue that discontinuing the support for these has the potential to degrade the knowledge about the OS interfaces that they leverage as these interfaces evolve on Google's whim. I don't think the danger of that is very significant, but it's there.
Fun fact, android is not open source. Their license is open source, yes- but its being developed mostly in private and every now and then, they publish the source code
*Edit, copied straight of one of my answers*
what I ment is that pretty much all major versions will get developed in private, no one outside of Google gets to make any decisions on what code comes in.
Only after everything is done, the code gets pushed.
It is technically "open source", but certainly not open source like vscode-oss or dotnet where the community gets the chance to make a big fundamental change on major versions.
...you do realize that makes it literally open source, right?
So the source code is published... Which makes it open source
@@blanket7031 Not directly es in this case it's technically open source but you can publish sources without giving the permission to use said sources.
It is called shared source.
Like @BjornBidar says. Unreal Engine 4/5 has its source code available. It isn't intended for redistribution or forking, moreso being able to compile for any platform.
It's Authoritarian versus Communal all over again.