ACTUALLY! Android is more private than the iPhone!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2023
- The popular belief that iPhone is a privacy alternative to Android is wrong.
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Privacy is ultimately about taking control over what happens to your data. The less control you have, the more exposed you are. Most companies, much like Apple and Google, are working towards restricting user controls over their own devices.
It's as simple as restricting where users can download apps from to an only place controlled by the platform. Or not allowing users to change default apps for messaging or browsing. Or not giving users an option to fully utilize their devices without self-identification to the company.
Unlike iOS on the iPhone, Android is a fundamentally open platform. Any restrictions put in place by Google can be reversed by the user, thus gaining leverage over what happens to your data far greater than you could ever get on an iPhone.
Apple made iPhones very secure, much like Google did with Pixel phones. But security isn't the only privacy prerequisite. You need to have a comprehensive strategy that addresses other threats such as linkability and identifiability effectively. Only Android allows you to do that.
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As someone with years of experience in cybersecurity, I can tell anything connected to the internet is not private we can only make it harder for the other person to access it using encryption
I agree with 9 years experience with certifications that I've obtained like my OSCP and CISSP
Amazon 2 cert is shaaady lol
I can confirm with my neckbeard that this is true.
Iphones can send your private data right into the hands of the companies without your consent
Google does this to, but at least they make you aware of it, and don't build spying software directly into the Android OS
Can you give me a roadmap to cybersecurity please? I started out confused but now my idea is start with Network+ --> Security+ --> CEH i guess (but i'm really just looking for where to start for learning (preferably for free which is not the best) but I'm just looking for how to learn before I go for the certifications)
99% of people don't know this. The worse are the people under 25 years old who grew with the practice of agreeing to all ToS, thinking: "I have nothing to hide."
@@shadewood3083 I bet your friends call you 'paranoid'?
@@shadewood3083 You are over 15 and modest. Your account creation date is public to everyone. You can only achieve a smudge at privacy by rotating independent accounts in and out of use, imho.
Think of how a detective would unravel your online presence. It's better to leave false leads than none at all too. Bonus points for a consistent story and background.
Doxxing : "you have nothing to hide??? Sure bud :)"
If someone says to you "you have nothing to hide", ask him/her to write down his/her e-mail and password. Then tell us, how he/she reacted to this request ;-)
young morons who share every fart they do during the day really have nothing to hide
No smartphone is private, end of story.
You’re wrong blackberry are more secure that any other phones but iPhone is worse
@@scottlewis8850 Just use a Nokia
@@_sharkziscoolwith kaiOS ?
"Erm achsually none are safe" Doesn't mean you shouldn't try.
Depends on what you're doing. I've been running my Android phone without a Google account for 3 years now. Not missing anything, I can side-load any app, and backup everything to my encrypted SDcard. Accessing certain sites is where the issue is.
Hopefully, this will stir up the discourse and encourage a healthy debate...
I can’t believe it, I actually got a notification from your channel. I guess YT isn’t mad at you anymore.
It'll just encourage poo flinging from low IQ degenerates from both sides.
Android is only privacy focused when you set it up that way. Most Normie Users don't even bother to turn off the most basic tracking and data collecting settings during setup. They use Google as Search Engine and Chrome as browser, those type of users have the same lack of privacy as Apple users. I would put a * behind the word Android.
@@ksinhaWelp about that, I just use Netlimiter in whitelist mode.
Suspiciously timed for the week of the iPhone release, lol!
Contrary to what was shown in the video at ~8:38, you do not need to use the terminal to install GrapheneOS.
The recommended method for most users is the WebUSB method, which requires you to use a supported browser, attach the phone via USB, follow the instructions and click the buttons in chronological order.
That's the way to go
Fitting PFP.
Yes, that's the way. I've used my old footage for this.
@@vak2586 You mean avatar
@@vak2586 Silver Wolf successor?🗿
Android could be more private. Most people just use a system with google play store etc not more private
People actually think that iphones respect your privacy?😂
Well, compared to android whose parent company Google’s main business is data collection for advertising… unless you go full on lockdown mode, you’re way more vulnerable with android.
There is no "lockdown mode" on Android and up-to-date iOS and Android are comparatively secure by default. It's Apple services and Google equivalents that aren't privacy-preserving and should be equally avoided.
@@TheHatedOnebasically choose your own poison… apple or google, same poison same breach of privacy
@@theobserver3753let's agree on something both suck.
@@theobserver3753That's not really true though... Apple will give your data to FBI, which is proven by their dispute in 2015 and 2016... Sorry mate... Apple is not the saint when it comes to privacy... 😂😂😂
Wait this isn’t common knowledge?
I had an hour long talk on many cases about this, they either deny any proof presented or revert to "I don't have anything to hide anyway" as an easy way out
unfortunately no.
@Azu10157 even my 12 year old sister knows these things eat personal info
what a smug
Hmmm... Book 🤔
I've been using Android products for over a decade, simply because I can mod them, use SD cards and other benefits that I wouldn't have on an Apple device. Whilst I felt that my privacy was somewhat compromised on an Android device, I knew it was nowhere as vulnerable as on an Apple device.
I installed Linux on my main machine some months ago and I got hooked with customization and now I despise my iPhone for the lack of it. Decided to sell it this week to buy a Galaxy Ultra.
I only used Android phones for more than a decade, my entire life. Then switch to the iPhone 12 since it’s actually private. I could not hack it compared to Android. If you still use Google on android at all then it’s worse than iPhone.
Yes give the advertising giant all your data. That’s how they make money
Android will always be the king,
How can you BE an Android product? 😂
@@PepsiCat321 Correct. Valid points.
no phone is private ... some time ago society was discussing whether or not it would be OK to chip everyone so we knew who we were as to prevent terrorism, regardless of the outcome of that particular debate the government did that exactly by giving everyone a cell phone, and they even got everyone to buy there own chip ... most would say so what? i'm not doing anything illegal, and to that i say, there is more to privacy then whether or not your doing something illegal ...
I will never trust Google for anything
Sadly any type of accounts ur using is in control of google
I miss these tech videos you use to make. I'm very happy you decided to go this route with this topic.
Been using a Librem 5 for months now. It's definitely not as solid from security standpoint but in terms of privacy you can't expect a lot more. Mostly I like that it doesn't require the usage of any API from Google to develop optimized apps for it though. Having GNU/Linux running on your phone just makes it feel way more versatile overall even though a lot of software is still in early phases of development for actual enduser quality.
You'd rather use an OS that trusts every app with unfettered access to your microphone, on a device that people tend to carry around them nearly 24/7?
@@dirksesterhenn2432 Most of the software are OSS anyways. An OS level security layer maybe important but Librem 5 offers security to people with specific "threat models"
@@dirksesterhenn2432 You know that every app on it is FOSS?
@@dirksesterhenn2432, where exactly did you get that information?
@@aggressivedriver9109 > PureOS is based on the Debian operating system
You obviously missed the previous video about Android's security model from THO. He hints at it in this video but does not explain it.
TLDR: Base Android's permission system has raised heaven-high walls that separate the apps and only allows them to do what *you* permitted them to do.
In that sense the current desktop OSes are products of the past century.
On one hand this has made modern Android very limited and locked down pure consumer devices. On the other hand there can't happen something out of sight (with the exception of RCE of SafetyNet and Google Play Services).
for those who has close to aosp stock under developer options there is an option to disable all sensors. yes the camera, microphone, vibration, fingerprint... the whole shebang.
xiaomi had this out of the box. but when you do software update, it will be removed.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M developer mode is a hidden feature in android and barely anyone knows about it. But it does in fact disable whatever you want. It's something that people weren't meant to know about
I have added that option in my quick tiles, it's super easy to use that way. Whenever i feel like my phone is using too much internet or getting hot or when i have low battery, i just turn on options of air plane mode and sensors off for few seconds, and then turn off again and everything seems normal again, or keep them off if I'm too low on battery.
The real issue are the programs and services that users end up installing in the devices.
Smart phones have to go through government red tape to be produced.
Why are Chinese phones banned in America?
Smart phones are designed by the government to spy on people.
"Smart phones are just tracking devices you can sometimes make calls on."
~ Terminal List
Yes but at least they have the option: you can't have privacy on chinese phones (due to chinese law) it least that's an option on a google pixel.
Google is at fault here as it tricks users into linking its accounts cross platform which in turn gives access to intrusive apps.
They need to lose a court battle for big bucks, otherwise they will never fix this security hole.
@papakamirneron2514 lol, yeah.
As we know, us Americans, Google, Facebook, etc. would never stoop to spying on on people or collecting their data the way the evil Chinese do.
Did you even watch the fkn video? Lmfao
You can turn off as many of the settings as you want, you can root your Android, you can jailbreak your iPhone, uninstall all the apps on your phone, but you are still going to be tracked.
The easiest way is through GPS or through cell tower pinging. If your phone has a SIM card inside, the government and anyone with the access to cell tower information does as well. Unless you remove your phone's battery, you can never disappear.
You don't have to have a simcard installed on your phone.
I would say neither is truly private
By default, for most manufacturers, no. But on Android you at least have the option of using a privacy-oriented custom ROM.
the difference is You truly take control of your privacy in Android if you want just like PC, but with iPhone even if you want you cannot take control of your $1000 hardware and use the way you want.
@cool_bug_facts you can't control the hardware with ROMs, can you?
But you can make android truly private, you can't on iphone
@@Freakazoid12345 That's exactly how hardware is controlled. Hardware is hunk of metal or silicone that useless without ROM. You can flash almost everything on Android through USB, if you care enough about flashing non-privacy critical parts you can probably desolder it and flash it.
What a great video! Giving people the real information they need to make an actual informed choice. What a concept! Much appreciated.
iPhones are the worst for privacy hands down.
But people using Android with pre-installed apps are just as much at risk. People need to be made aware of the privacy-preserving apps on Android.
Edit: Also, great to see you after so long!
That and the scarily large amount of brands that are owned by Chinese conglomerates which have to submit their data to (and have backdoors for) the CCP. Lenovo/Motorola is compromised for example. If you aren't giving your information to the glowy three letter agencies or tech companies, you're probably giving it to a dictatorship that could very well attempt to invade and take over, then they'll know who you are. All three are bad for different reasons, but it's a bit sad that your best bet with Android is a Google Pixel phone with a custom ROM flashed onto it.
Although you could make the case for a custom ROM because most Android phone manufacturers can't be dicked to update their software or let you remove bloatware system apps you don't want.
Apple is like a pimp that will give you protection as long as you are his b*tch
As long as you're not a stupid donut downloading sketchy stuff, you're absolutely fine.
@@dee23gaminglol
iPhones are excellent at privacy, I still don't get how people can say otherwise. Hell, there have been several cases where governments have asked Apple to give out someone's info to them, and Apple simply flipped them off. IIRC there was even a celebrity whose name I forgot that threw his iPhone in the ocean because Apple wouldn't give his info to the police, so the police decided to find him and take his phone. Sure, there are no "Privacy-Preserving Apps" that you can download on iOS (Or none that I know of), but the stock iOS is more than enough privacy
Unforunately most people dont care about privacy.
Would love to see a video where you go through some of the most useful apps for android when it comes to privacy, anti-tracking and anti-ads.
Adguard for sure
I think using less apps is the simple solution. Remove most apps. Only use the bare essentials.
@@Mysinismikako, adguard is still not that secure, you are trusting a third party with all your internet traffic
This channel is so underrated. I myself accidentally found it through a Google search and thank goodness i did. I love this channel. Sad how TH-cam is shadowing this channel :(
I still to this very day have subscribed to this guy for nearly 5 years now, that's how long I've known this person and actually found him on Bitchute first before coming across his youtube channel a year later in 2018.
I've abandoned nearly all TH-cam Channels but I still take time to watch these videos due to their different standards on fact-checking and sourcing
It's sad.
But Google hacked my privacy to the extent they suggested a video of what I've always thought in my mind.😅
Definitely joking 😁
As of december, Google has stopped sharing information on people near crime scenes,
Im on the verge of leaving iphone and plan to soon. It really is a dealbreaker that all my family members’ phones are iphones and I wont be able to take advantage of apples walled garden features. Great video!
You can convert them all to GrapheneOS.
@@TheHatedOneWhat do you think about lineageos?
Wait for the S24Ultra from samsung i did. I dont miss apple at all.
@@TheHatedOne That's an impossible task. You're delusional if you think that you're gonna convince a single person to use GrapheneOS that isn't already in knowledge of it because they're privacy conscious. Good luck trying to get a single family member to give up Google services as well.
Apple is being forced to accept rcs messages which is basically iMessage for Android and they are forced to make it work with other messages apps. This year 2024.
It's nice to see that you're still working hard on videos. If TH-cam isn't suppressing you, I hope you succeed. (more, since your views are consistent with another similar TH-camr that only does news and farm videos.)
I make $200/month off of TH-cam ads nowadays. This channel would be dead without my patreon supporters. Thanks for being here even throughout these times.
@@TheHatedOnewow ❤❤❤
Hilarious timing I was actually planning to switch to an Android in a few weeks. Can't do Graphene immediately until I pay off my phone but the second I do...
Thanks for listing sources with captions and description. Great work
In the video you have some info sheets on Actions Identify User, Linkability, Non-Reputable Storage,... Where did you get these from? Did you make them or is there some source for them?
Found them :D it is called "LINDDUN GO card deck" that will get you to the right webpage.
Mentioning microG LineageOS would have been a good callout. They bake in microG, remove Google services, and pre-install F-Droid. It is quite accessible since it does 1-to-1 builds with LineageOS official build which is the most popular costom ROMs.
GrapheneOS… stuck to Pixel devices (not available in my country, no headphone jack, meh specs) and only as long as Google supports them which prematurely ends device support.
MicroG has much weaker security standards (e.g. doesn't pin TLS certificates) and even actively leaks your location data to apps without the location permission.
Depending on the configuration (if DroidGuard and SafetyNet are enabled), MicroG will as part of its functionality download obfuscated binary blobs from Google and execute them in its own sandbox (read: has access to persistent hardware identifiers and higher privileges than user-installed apps).
By using MicroG in such a configuration, as is required for many features that people want to use like push notifications, you are lowkey actively granting Google access to your phone's hardware identifiers.
LineageOS is also problematic in that they rollback several security features of the OS and ship userdebug builds with lots of hardening reverted.
The reason why GrapheneOS drops support for EOL devices (after a while of doing extended support releases) is because they have no way of providing firmware, driver and other device support updates themselves. A device missing those cannot be considered secure even if you keep updating the OS on top of those (and that will often require heavily patching the OS to workaround bugs in the outdated device support code later). LineageOS is dishonest about this and rather decided to patch the OS to present faked patch levels.
I don't know why you consider this "prematurely" when Google clearly communicates before release for how long a device will receive support.
excellent points@@dirksesterhenn2432
When has it done so prematurely?
@@dirksesterhenn2432thank you for mentioning this issue. A lot of people switch to LineageOS because they watched some videos on TH-cam and they want better privacy. What they don’t fully understand that privacy and security are just not the same thing. LineageOS is perfect in terms of privacy, but awful in terms of security. I often explain this problem to people who ask me about LineageOS, even wrote a few articles online about it.
LineageOS make userdebug builds, which allows you to gain root shell access to device even if no root tools are installed. That is very dangerous in the threat model of a citizen of a police country like Russia, China, Iran when police can take your phone for investigation any time they want. Userdebug builds will allow them to dump all information including private sandboxes, access to accounts etc through the simple adb connection.
LineageOS has weak selinux policies to make it possible to run it on old devices, but that also makes it easier to run malware on it. There will be much less countermeasures for binary malware in the system.
LineageOS supposes AVB verified boot to be disabled. That means that in case of a physical device extraction a permanent backdoor can be installed into the phone without user even knowing about it and it will give full control over the device, ignore any restrictions, encryption etc and you can’t do anything about it. The only way to be safe from this is to use pixel smartphones, because they support user-settable-root-of-trust and the ability to sign your own builds, lock the bootloader and enable AVB and dm-verity
Micro g is trash. Used it before
Stock android is less secure and private than ios. A pixel running grapheneOS or CalyxOS is significantly more secure than any iPhone. Especially any pixel with the Titan M security chip.
hello. May I borrow your video, translate it to Russian and post on my channel with credits?
GrapheneOS has profiles, so can I have a private profile that doesn't have google services, and a separate profile with google services?
yes
@@miguelrmusic Really? Wow. I didn’t know that.
Thanks!
You can have up to 30+ profiles (I think), all with separate apps, identities, purposes. No data at all is communicated between the profiles. It's super awesome.
That's amazing!
I feel like the GrapheneOS people don't advertise enough. lol @@TheHatedOne
Keep up the great work!@@TheHatedOne
The video mentions custom ROMs but it is important to remember that many custom ROMs with the latest versions of Android do not encrypt the phone at all.
Be aware of it! If you use custom ROM that do not encrypt the phone and the phone ends up in the wrong hands or in a police investigation, they can easily get into the phone.
i could get a Windows Tablet with cellular and Reboot and Have Betterlocker installed for the full disk encryption. but i don't know if i want to spend too much money.
this is bs if you're not using a phone from the last decade that's not true
uhm not encryptd? all custom roms ar encrypted but are given a script to disablee encryption as others intend to flash many roms without formatting or making less disk write and sacrifice security for performance
Good to see your still alive and kicking. My family are apple cultists, so I plan on getting an android soon
I was talking about something, and the same thing came in my advertisement
It is important to note that the best way to be private is to install open source custom ROMs that are not spied on by the manufacturers. But for obvious reasons, almost all manufacturers are hard locking their phones' bootloaders so that you are forced to use their data farm OS. Fairphone is by far the most consumer-friendly brand out there. But if you want flagship specs, we're running out of options.
It's still relatively easy to unlock the bootloader on Xiaomi phones. And you can get flagship specs, as well. Same goes for Google Pixel devices.
I want a Sony phone because not only would buying be voting with my wallet and encourage competition in a market so absolutely dominated by two sides, but also bc the Xperia 1iii and Xperia 5iii can run on lineageos
Lol tell me how you gonna be sure the rom you downloaded doesn’t have other funny code embedded deep somewhere? You sure you that good to spot everything fishy within millions lines of code?
@@xpforevergaming8609 fr, I feel lke xiaomi phones are the best for this use case, great hardware for cheap and they make it easy to root or install your own rom
@@user-ho9zw7zc9q Take a page out of business on risk management. I’d rather lower the risk than not even have the option.
Besides, you misunderstand open source software and cybersecurity. Every contributor to an open source project is an independent eye. If I was looking to harm the user, I’m much less likely to expose the code to people who don’t share my nefarious intentions. We would have seen cryptominers in half the ROMs and Linux distros in 2020 if programmers had been this stupid.
Another excellent video THO. I feel like GrapheneOS is the "only" option these days if one is trying to avoid corp / govt surveillance. Also, iOS is still leaking data outside a VPN when enabled, why has this not been fixed? 5 stars bro.
Do you need graphene os? Won't any vanilla custom rom work the same way? Especially with the elevated permission controls in newer versions?
@@charlie4039k Almost all Android phones come with google services preinstalled, it's essentially the same as Apple having access to your data but it's google instead.
@@charlie4039k I mean You Dont you could use lineage os with microg or any other os with microg
@@charlie4039k other ones can work. Especially if you refuse to buy a Google device like me. Lineage OS exists and if you don't download microg or the like, you can effectively degoogle.
Yea by police can recover everything even after a factory reset with Android. But with an iPhone you can't after a factory reset.
I'm using /e OS on a Moto X2 (2014) - works great. The installation was not hard, just the man pages are 🙂. I would say that this is private enough and not too far from being convenient. Just like in Graphene, I can use Google services but I don't have to.
Thanks for the comparsion!
Amazing video as always!, It's a joy to see a video from you., I was wandering, is there a way to have privacy (ungoogle or unsamsung) a Samsung phone?
Not the level you can with Pixel and GrapheneOS. New Samsung phones aren't the worst but I would consider them private either. Still, they provide options that can be viable for different threat models which wouldn't be possible on the iPhone, even if iPhones are generally better at security than Samsung phones (but not Pixel phones).
Good point, forgot about the thread model part, thanks for clarifying! and Thanks for replying! Hope to see another video from you soon :D @@TheHatedOne
I just need help understanding how Google made the only phone that graphine OS can go on. I have so many questions. For starters, just like any operating system, it has to have a semiconductor like Intel. So it wouldn't matter how hardened the device is, right?
It's not google that made the only phone for grapheneOS, it's grapheneOS devs that don't have the resources to support every android devices on the market and write drivers for each functionnalities of them... And you are right, silicon rules, just think the SIM car is a computer on its own, with its own OS, that will report on commands send by the network...
"In February 2015, The Intercept reported that the NSA and GCHQ had stolen the encryption keys (Ki's) used by Gemalto (the manufacturer of 2 billion SIM cards annually), enabling these intelligence agencies to monitor voice and data communications without the knowledge or approval of cellular network providers or judicial oversight."
@user-bz8qi6vu4q wow, thank you. So they created a driver for the pixel only 🤔 seems a little bit sus. I could be wrong.
@@rbq426 A single smartphone needs tens of drivers. Nearly each chip inside needs one. And each one needs maintenance (bug fixes, security fixes...). So, you may be able to run grapheneOS on a samsung, but maybe without NFC or what not ; same goes for older pixel phone that the graphene team has no manpower to maintain the old drivers.
@@user-bz8qi6vu4q ohh, ok. This makes sense. As they get bigger they'll be able to do other phones. Maybe the graphene team reached out to Google or they used to work for Google. Thank you.
Pixel phones are the only devices that meet the requirements of GrapheneOS.
No other phone allows setting custom boot keys and relocking the bootloader (in the case of FP, they have broken AVB with public test keys in production devices, which is an absolute no-go).
From their FAQ:
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Devices need to be meeting the standards of the project in order to be considered as potential targets. In addition to support for installing other operating systems, standard hardware-based security features like the hardware-backed keystores, verified boot, attestation and various hardware-based exploit mitigations need to be available. Devices also need to have decent integration of IOMMUs for isolating components such as the GPU, radios (NFC, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Cellular), media decode / encode, image processor, etc., because if the hardware / firmware support is missing or broken, there's not much that the OS can do to provide an alternative. Devices with support for alternative operating systems as an afterthought will not be considered. Devices need to have proper ongoing support for their firmware and software specific to the hardware like drivers in order to provide proper full security updates too. Devices that are end-of-life and no longer receiving these updates will not be supported.
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IIRC some Samsung phones would meet GrapheneOS' hardware requirements if they allowed setting custom AVB keys.
Instead, Samsung permanently bricks integration with their HSM (Knox) when you unlock the bootloader, not just for the alternative OS you might have installed, but the stock OS, too.
Google is a tracking company
Hey, what're those cool physical cards you use in the video, and where can I get some?
linddun.org
Are privacy and security separate or do they go hand in hand though?
If you are trying to keep your data and communication private from a targeted adversary, then security is what ultimately protects it.
They go hand-in-hand in most cases
Security is one of privacy pre-requisites but they aren't the same and sometimes counter each other. For instance, non-repudiation is a security parameter, i.e. you want to be able to log and authenticate all actions to spot potential abuse. But for privacy, non-repudiation is a threat, because it is beneficial if you can plausibly deny having authenticated to a service or storing data in an encrypted storage.
There is a great privacy threat modeling methodology that encapsulates this comprehensively and it's called LINDDUN. I have been using it in my videos in a modified version for the end user. It was designed for privacy engineering but it will greatly expand your understanding of privacy threats in an exact way.
I've always used iPhone simply because that's what my family used. But my next phone will be a Pixel, which I will install GrapheneOS on.
Yeah since all the other Android phones lock the bootloader down hard. No other choice since they all want to be like iPhone.
@@PepsiCat321 the difference is you can jailbreak an iPhone. You cannot root an android anymore. At least not a Samsung. Impossible
@@lordzeuscannon6400you haven’t been able to jailbreak an iPhone in the last like 2yrs of modern software. You can still root and customrom android phones today, especially the latest pixel
@@lordzeuscannon6400? you can unlock BL and root easily smh not carrier phones btw
@@lordzeuscannon6400Only in america
So this has been true for iPhone’s sold in China as the video said for some years now, but isn’t the case in the U.S. & Europe thankfully (yet). Regarding download encrypted messaging apps to make online communications safer, that’s platform agnostic and can be done on both Google’s Android and Apple’s iOS/iPadOS/MacOS.
Both you still can't sideload or change default apps as easily
Welcome back
Had missed this stellar content
I use youtube app without sign in my google account and remove all permissions does it still track me
So this ISN’T ANDROID but some other android-based systems. Android for sure isn’t more secure or private than iOS. Having Google stuff if’s like having a sniffer all the time.
Don't use a Google acc (all the time) on Android and you're already half way there.
Your English and redaction is very pleasant to listen to, I would really love if you do a different kind of journalism so that we have a larger variety of topics that we can enjoy from you. Thank you.
Thank you for connecting again
Can i use Lineage os as alternative? I have a different phone
I've been trying to tell people this for years
nothing is private , you want privacy donwload linux on you pc and phone and done
And not a single one of them gave a shit. This privacy LARP shit's getting old lmao
@@fvs666pray do tell how do you do that is the Play store on an Android going to let you download that link is it available do you have to do it on your PC before you can do it on your phone and then link your phone with your PC much appreciate sincerely
@@BasedHyperborean then why are you here?
@@BasedHyperborean ahahaha i just read your comment at the bottom. You are just a butthurt iToddler.
Keep it up! You are undeniably at the top of all privacy influencers (sorry for using that word but I think it fits here)
once a week im checking your channel, waiting for good information from you to be uploaded. i was thinking youtube was hide your newest uploaded video.
It's been pretty difficult for me to keep up with the schedule recently. I also ramped up the extent of research quite significantly compared to most of my older videos.
Commenting here to prevent the channel from being shadow banned.
Makes sense. A closed system would mean that the company has way more access to one's personal data than an open system. Regardless of whether it's open or not, either platform will still always have vulnerabilities whether with the platform itself or with its apps. For most Apple buyers, they only care about the brand amd status that owning an apple device gives them. Most of the time they even judge people they date or are around them based on the type of phone they have. That's how fake and shallow that alot of people jave sadly become. They'll probably still continue to deny it aswl because it has become so ingrained. This doesn't only apply to tech but every facet of their lives aswell. They're actually not happy but think they are because of the possessions they have. It's truly sad what the majority of society has become these days
Another good alternative to smartphones and tablets are plane old laptops with Linux installed - you can cut out all the privacy problems that way, and it's cheap
Agreed. The real problem is our dependence on phone calls... how do we call emergency phone numbers or normal people?
@@IslamicAudiobooksCentral there are desktop messaging applications but not all are private
Thoughts on CalyxOS?
Wanted to try a degoolged but then I found out you can have contactless payment. On the one hand, you’d say you shouldn’t have it, but what is more secure, not taking your card and wallet out where it can be rfid scanned, or lost, or have contactless payment with a throwaway card like a virtual revolut card? I’d like the latter, but you can’t have contactless payments if you have graphene or calyx, etc.
I WANT to use google pixel with graphene and a laptop with linux but apple is on another level. My pixel 7 struggles to last a day. My friends iphone lasts 2 without breaking a sweat. My macbook pro can last a day of light video editing with ease. My brand new lenovo struggles to break past 4 hours. I almost feel like you need two seperate ecosystems: convinience but insecure (Main), and secure but inconvinient (Backup)
Sky is blue
Is there a way to jailbreak an iPhone to have more privacy?
And how can i download apps without signed in at google on my android phone? Can someone give me an example of a thirdparty?
Just download apks
Literally every other independent security report shows iOS is vastly superior in security and privacy vs Android. Unfortunately, every device manufacturer has to comply with local laws if they want to operate in that region. I have advanced data protection turned on - all my iCloud data is E2E encrypted and I use S/MIME certificates in Apple Mail. Advanced Data Protection is rolling out globally and Apple said even in China.
That doesn't sound like Apple are actively trying to undermine their users - just complying with local laws. Your issue should be with those regions that have a poor record of human rights abuse. If Apple were to pull out of those regions, it just means that those citizens have less/ no other choices and arguably makes their position worse.
iOS = privacy as apple defined it
Android well depends on how technical you are
Being technical is not that much of a requirement as nowadays you can buy phones with CalyxOS, GrapheneOS or /e/OS preinstalled. Or you could always ask your family's techy person to do it for you.
how do i remove google from my phone??
I see where this is coming from....
Totally agree, this was probably your best video in the last year. Excellent!
Thanks. Haven't made that many of them though.
@TheHatedOne true, but with this level of quality, hopefully you can put out some more 😊
Always has been
And that is why I say, "Bleep Apple".
Not with google play service
isnt that obvious?
Nothing is private these days even when you think the opposite. Even with an operating system like graphene OS. Your device still has sensors that can be activated remotely that tell wherever someone is.
Not to mention the apps people are going to install anyways do have ways to track you.
No. Linux, like android requires the user input to be hacked like that. That's why they say linux cannot get a virus. It is unable to function without user consent
I'd rather give up all privacy and tell Google everything about myself rather than using insecure alternatives and get rekt out of my bank account. Idk about you.
You are the best! Thank you x10000000!❤
please make a video about the find my network and the implications for privacy.
(google is planning to do something similar as well)
lovely video! very well made and well balanced! although I still believe that in order to create more privacy, people need useful guides and resources in order not to fall prey to the endless dissatisfaction of information input to find how to install/configure an OS and also know what apps are a no go. 99% of users will fail and get annoyed and will rather pay more money for an apple phone. that's what it is.
this is exactly the information i want to be able to see and have explained to me before making the leap onto an android phone
@@monogramadikt5971 The thing is that android you can sideloads but it is not force upon you at all. It just an additional option that android users have. If iphone users are so scared of sideloading, then they can choose to not do it and that it. Additionally, if by sideloading, apple is scare of it and also the apple fans, then it is not as secured as they pretended to be if sildeload can threaten their security.
An average user is not going to de-Google their phone and install a custom OS. It's ridiculous to have a title that says "Android is more private than iPhone!", when for 99.9% of people that is not the case. Apple has better privacy terms and conditions than Google, while Google openly collects as much data as possible, buys as much as they can from third parties, and provides as much data as possible to third parties. If you know someone isn't going to go through a long list of tedium to make sure their phone is private, it would be better to recommend them an iPhone and 1 video on privacy settings they can turn on/off.
Actually, if you don't want the police to be able to see your location, then you have to turn on airplane mode no matter the operating system because the police can request your ISP to give them your connection to cell towers which gives a pretty accurate location.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Technically yes, practically no. If airplane mode is on, it (for obvious reasons) won't try to connect to a cell tower, and because it doesn't, nobody can turn it off remotely (unless they gave an app the instructions beforehand)
nah it need a hardware kill switch like pinephon not a software switch as it still can communicate like you can call even it has no sim or it is on airplane mode
No, Airplane mode does work as intended. It actually turns off power to antenna
How do I inslall Graphene on my Samsung A70?
@@pm79080 Beats me
Seeing The Hated One after a long time with a new video.
One thing always missing from these discussions (and hopefully not missing from this one) is the idea of threat models. So many people don't need to worry about Apple controlling the ecosystem they use. Within that walled garden, Apple is very protective and iPhones are private from many other entities. Government level threat? No, not then. So figure out your own threat model and then find the systems that work best for you and your model.
Yay! It was mentioned just after I posted! Awesome! However, you showed using a fingerprint unlock. Those in the US should consider how you are Constitutionally protected from giving up a passcode, but not your fingerprints. Consult your lawyer if that matters to you!
Are you high on copium ??
Apple is not privacy-respecting &NO amount of threat-modeling will justify using it, PERIOD
Stick to android or a linux phone (if you have the guts)
I repeat, Apple products neutralize any & all measures in ANY & ALL threat-models
@@FineWine-v4.0 seems like you've missed the point. I'd believe you when you say that Apple isn't compatible with your privacy landscape. But my point is that everybody has a different threat model, and Apple can serve many threat models just fine.
@@LakeVermilionDreams & Me & everyone else is telling you, It has no significance period
@@LakeVermilionDreams i think you are the one who has missed the point. It's actually a pretty simple one too. Logged in = Not private.
What if Pixels have spyware at hardware level and GrapheneOS is just a honeypot?
Honeypot for whom? Google and other corporations? That's the key here, in a discussion like this about privacy. Privacy in this context is basically not leaking your data like a sieve for companies to gobble up and sell to each other. Although funny enough the three letters also love all these data points, but if you want to hide from governments, don't carry a phone at all.
@@billybobthorton2026 this is hypothetical of course, but what if the government allowed GrapheneOS to be exclusively run on Pixel phones, knowing it has hardware back doors and all the security features are just emulated.
@@rutgerhoutdijk3547i heard this also.
Google tensor chips are hardware backdoors... i have little proof, but its a logical assumption to make.
It is a thought you must admit.
I'm more concerned with the Pixels being made by Google. It boggles my mind that people worried about Google spying via Android would switch to a device...made by Google. The fact this phone doesn't even have a removable battery, yet is promoted for privacy-minded people, is ass-backwards.
My only concern with GrapheneOS is that it's limited to Pixel devices.
I wonder with google mostly putting it's AI features baked into phone with tensor if that means even when you debug it from google services if those AI function still remain on the device?
Can we port GrapheneOS for new Device phone
I can't even access my files in Android folder wtf ??? Why is Android becoming like iOS??
Money
@@zimmy91 how do they make money via that ?? It's more like inconvenience to users.
I have an app called "Files" which still gives me access to everything in that folder. By Marc apps.
Here for the knowledge. Outstanding investigative technology journalism as always Hated One 👏🏾
"As always"? This channel doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to basic technical concepts behind security and privacy. I remember when he proclaimed that the "Report" feature of WhatsApp must mean that it doesn’t really offer E2E encryption 😂
@@RegrinderAlert what good is end to end encryption when it still collects meta data on the users and sends it to Meta?
@@billybobthorton2026 You missed my point. I don’t recommend WhatsApp. Just pointing out the level of misinformation that this channel keeps putting out.
@@RegrinderAlert I mean sure, I guess, but "don't be logged into a phone if you want to be more private" is pretty simple information. Not really much to get wrong here.
The iphone supports sideloading through tools like altstore and if you buy a developer license.
I missed your videos, please post frequently!
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Because of you and watching your content in the past i switched myself to GraphenOS. Thanks! You are doing great work!
Bro, how has your experience been with Graphene OS? What are the major drawbacks? Thanks.
GrapheneOS is the only OS that actually gives me the peace of mind. It's really great. Had no issues so far.
all the information that passes through Apple's servers, Apple can see (if it wanted to). only Apple doesn't sell this information to anyone. there are meta services running in the background of android all the time. Meta sells this information to third parties (like google does). so data collection on ios is 1/100th of what it is on android. (yes ios is private)
android doesn't automatically come with google services, you can use a degoogled phone
@@Fleecing1 you mean the graphene axis? and who's gonna install it on the phone. Plus, it's not comparing android vs. ios anymore.
@@Fleecing1 and android is google so yes. it comes with google services by default
android is not google it is aosp which is android without google services
@@Fleecing1 yeah you're right it's based on the android open source project. so give a 20 year old guy a challenge to install graphene os on his android phone. can he do it? i'd say no
An amazing video as always!
Bold statement. Thank you for voicing your opinion.
The video is not about which OS is more private but which OS is more flexible. The title is a bit click bait. I work as a developer/cleaner and IOS is the most headache we get when it comes to networking compared to Android.
IOS have so many limitations and their developer support is almost clueless. But because of that most of us uses IOS.
For me though, I love the flexibility of Android and that is the only reason why I stick with Android.
For security, definitely IOS, hands down.
At least they have to design their phones with removable batteries now. I bet that killed their party.
What phones can a consumer change the battery?
@@samanthal8581 the EU has passed a law just the other week. It says companies must make batteries readily replaceable in all battery operated devices.
When my Xiaomi Mi A2 breaks I will choose a Pixel an install Graphene... The problem is that in my country those are pretty expensive, even second hand!
> Ask app not to track
"The app will remember that"
Grapheneos 🤝
I got that shit on my joint.
You know what? I was skeptical about your premise, but you convinced me. Sure, I still sell my soul to Google every single day, but it is true that I can choose not to. I have done it in the past, and I intend to do it with my new daily driver. Something I could never do with the iPhones I used at some point
ALSO, the iCloud servers are in China.
No it is not
Another interesting and informative video.