Why Top Thrill 2's Embarrassing 2nd Closure *might* be a Good Thing
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Top Thrill 2 has had to be closed now for a second time after starting a few test runs on it a week ago.
But my hope is this is going to be a wake up call for both Cedar Point and Cedar Fair in general.
Let's discuss all the implications.
We all seem to forget all the Intamin issues on TTD and other intamin rides... we need to give Zamperla time just as we did with intamin for years
Wait we need to give zamperla years to be respectable after the previous CEO, dick kinsel, said it was he’s worst decision??????? These intamins put them on the map, but caused them temporary issues……this zamperla, has no idea what’s going on! If it’s faster than normal, just make comically large wheels!!? Dumb! Hire a physics major! It can’t deal with forces! Been testing since December…won’t open till August, if we’re lucky!
@@nickkober9590 Zamperla is trying to fix a turd. Intamin's Top Thrill Dragster was the worst decision he made according to Kinzel. Intamin has burned multiple parks and chains with rides with major issues. Maverick, Wicked Twister, I305, Shoot the Rapids, Xcelerator, SkyRush, Kingda Ka ect...Wheel diameter has nothing to do with the issue. Supposedly its the rubber compound on the actual wheels
@@chadmorris946 doesn’t matter! Same thing! One unreliable coaster to another! Not just the wheels by the way! Bad decision! Stop coming at me with nonsense! Intamin wasn’t the answer back then, and zamperla was far from the answer now! Listen to exactly what the pitch for these trains was! To save money and maintenance cost!
@@nickkober9590you do know that Zamperla has multiple former high level Intamin engineers on the payroll right?
CP did the "right thing" in keeping TT2 closed because it was in their financial best interest to do so. To be spared lawsuits if a guest got hurt. Because their insurance company told them to keep it closed or else we're dropping your policy, CP!
We all knew Cedar Point would crap the bed going with Zamperla. It was a money saving issue…and while I know they had issues with Intamin in the past, it’s been well over a decade since they even worked with them…and a LOT has changed when it comes to reliability. I personally think they should’ve used the original manufacturer to do this redo of Top Thrill.
Zamperla reimaging Top Thrill Dragster was WAY OUT OF THEIR LEAGUE!!! Shit, They have never even built a Hyper, Giga, and, DEFINITELY not a Strata Rollercoaster?? C'MON CEDAR FAIR!!! WHAT IN THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣‼️
What do you think about this announcement? Is it a good thing?
Yes, it gives Cedar Point a lesson of not to choose a small manufacturer for major rides.
yes
If I were Cedar Point I would call Intamin and have them make different trains for Top Thrill 2.
If zamperla can’t make it work I bet it’s what they do
You are spot on with your assessment! Was just there for three days in a row, and we renewed me and my family’s season passes. Very disappointing to see them continue to make terrible decisions. It’s a beautiful park, with great landscaping, and incredible views! Been my happy place for more than two decades. I’ve seen it at its best! They….were put on the map, with their aggressive prototypes and think, they are Disney or something and can continue to make these bone headed decisions! Went to six flags great America with my wife and…the ride ops are better, with similar crowds, and only two trains operational! Six flags landscaping, is minimal, cedar fair ride ops are bad, so hopefully they meet in the middle with this merge! I have so many stories of bad operations. I refuse to pay any more fast lanes as well as it feeds into these operations! I care deeply about this park, and the pandemic is no longer valid, for the greed. And the safety in my opinion, isn’t necessarily about you or me being safe as much as it is, they don’t want to pay out anymore on these liabilities because at the end of the day, their reputation and insurance costs are at stake!
well the reason what the ride ops are bad is all because of iRoc six flags does not use iroc and instead trains their ride ops in hos without any restrictions from the program.
@@marcussorenson3380 Totally agree 100 percent! But also the fast lane has to scan their wristbands at merge points, and it doesn’t always work so great, and that also slows it down quite a bit, but the issue with me is that, it’s not because they care about your safety necessarily, it greatly reduces their insurance costs, which I think we can agree, they’ve payed a pretty penny for liabilities! Also maverick had a two hour line and the train ops were moving faster than the line attendant because people have to scan these microscopic QR codes and they were sending out half full trains! It was ridiculous!
Tony Clark: "hoe dare you criticize Cedar Point!!!"
Welp, domt ever expect to get invited to any media day at CP again. They banned the Sandusky Register because they had an article criticizing the locker situation.
I think the point is "Zamperla lacked the experience to revise a standout ride." I mean, even if a Wild Mouse isn't even reliable, GEEZ.
Besides, "Zamperla , the ride manufacturer" should be held accountable for constructing a ride that isn't satisfactory.
I’m just glad i got to ride it before, hopefully it’ll be open during Halloweekends
I’m more annoyed to know that the track work was completed by the end of 2023, zamperla has been testing the attraction for months before the park opened, more than likely cedar point pushed for the coaster to be open on opening day saving them from the embarrassment of delaying it because of this problem, which was more than likely already showing itself during the hundreds of test cycles TT2 had to do to be certified to open to the public
I like your assessment.
See, as a past amusement park professional and still enthusiast. I'm on CPs side with this...
Think about it, CP is known for taking chances. Look at how many projects in the past were either a prototype or a record breaker. Whith that, comes risk. Just focusing on Intamin, if CP didn't take risks we wouldn't have Millennium, Dragster, Maverick... And hell, we wouldn't have any of that because Wilderness Run/Gemini Jr as Intamins FIRST coaster ever.
Then, the TTD incident... How would it look using that same manufacturer from a PR perspective. It shows the media and GP, that they took steps to look at new options to elevate the experience while focusing on safety.
CP took a historically proven CP risk in trying a new concept. I believe this was the right move from a business perspective. Zamperla, yes a risk. BUT if CP never trusted Intamin, CP wouldn't be CP.
Exactly!!! This is the one right here
TtD incident was not Intamins fault, that was 100% CP maintenance...it ran safely albeit not reliably for 20 years, CP maintenance was responsible for that ride., the wrong grade bolts used, whatever other shortcuts they.took...any other park in the world would have torn it down...i wonder what the girl who had a piece of Dragsters train fly thru her skull feels about TT2?
The part that bugs me Trent is that when I go to cedar point i go there to ride 3 rides I go there for maverick / Steve/ Millie I don’t go there for tt2 as nice as it is and it bugs me that the chances of me seeing something like them again at cp is never gonna happen cause they won’t work with them anymore and it’s stupid your 3 best rides in the park are made by the companies you refuse to work with and people can argue that they aren’t the best (everyone has there opinion) but if you watch Trent’s videos where he asks what there favorite ride is it’s one of those 3 chances are
Great video! Trent speaking all facts!
Wheel assemblies / cracked wheels shouldn’t be an issue these days. 120mph isn’t new, the layout is simple, zamperla must have thought they could recreate the wheel assemblies with cheaper / smaller design.
120 MPH may not be new but that speed is rare. There have only been 5 roller coasters ever created that have gone over 100 MPH. Superman Escape from Krypton, Top Thrill, Kingda Ka, Red Force, and Formula Rosa. So while not new, it is uncommon.
@@CoasterVet I would understand if this was 2004-2010. Too many case study’s to have problems. It’s like building SOB everyone knew it was going to be a problem.
I think you poked all the thoosies with this one ha! Miss frontier festival, it looks sad in frontier town without all the sunflowers up. Loved the mean girls clip even though it makes me feel old lol!
In reality, Intamin people were heavily involved with TT2. Yeah Zamperla did TT2 but the people are what matters. Many of the people at Zamperla came over from intamin and have worked on the largest rides in the world. So if they jack up stuff, it’s not because they don’t have experience. The people at Zamperla have totally jacked up the biggest rides in the world including the original dragster (yes even some people who worked the original TTD work for Zamperla now).
The ride quality over long term is what is most important and Zamperla nailed it. They will fix the issues with wheels cracking(allegedly) and TT2 will be great for many years. In the end this ride is likely a major win for Zamperla and CP
I hope that’s true.
Sorry we didnt make it up there this week buddy! I hurt my back. We will be up there in a few weeks though, hopefully tt2 will be back open
That’s cool! It’ll be fun to see you guys when I can!
How can it close for a second time if it never reopened for a first time?
It can't. those are my words to describe it because it looked like it was gonna open and then tony had to make a second statement.
I also feel like from that accident....they probably could not have worked with intamin on this project because of the lawsuit... cedar point as a park got sued but im sure that lawsuit includes the manufacturer..so for legal reasons they may not have been able to use intamin on this....hence the reason for the name change
why is Snake River Falls not open?
LOL CP "slashing their profits"--You better believe Zamperla is taking the major hit on that--probably penalty clauses for them...
you might be right. But they're at least having to deal with people canceling their trips.
As rides innovate situations are bound to arise. The BIG question is - Are the TT2 lockers being revised???
Pretty sure the answers is “no”
You do good work Trent but intamin built the coaster which broke down all the time including Maverick if you remember! First of it's kind comes with problems (I never would have built a wild mouse ride by anyone). Every other park gets clones, I don't want that at all!
See you tomorrow at the meet and greet! Great video!
It is both cedar point and zamperlas fault. Cedar point shouldn’t have hired them and zamperla .. well.. shouldn’t have done it if they couldn’t do it correctly? Idk
Cedar Point didn't create Intamin. Six Flags did with their 3 hyper coaster deal. Cedar Point certainly elevated them but they built Superman at Darien Lake before doing anything at Cedar Point, and they had done Millie and Xcelerator before doing rifldes like Dragster. Zamperla essentially went from early 90s Intamin to doing Dragster (literally). It was too big of a step.
Absolutely
Intamin watching tt2 and hyperia and just 😂
Thank you!
Lol tear it all down.
Put a mack spinner in.
Exactly what I was thinking !!! And have part of it on MILLIENIUM island
Its annoying if this was six flags people would be outraged
Complete assumptions but I think the trains sit to high causing the heart line to be off center causing too much of a whip for riders / damage to the track. They're likely working on the trains to get the heart line closer to where intamin had it
this is what I am thinking as well
I heard cedar point is about to make a another announcement saying it will remain closed for the rest of the 2024 season reopen 2025
I’ve heard all types of things, but it all starts with rumors!
I hope that's not true !!!
Cedar point is so willing to cut their profits I still see a ride tt2 this summer commercial twice a week
They wanted to reinvent dragster....they didn't choose intamin because they didnt present the best possible reinvention coaster.... yall we have to consider every new coaster is gonna have issues ..cmon y'all be easy...if we are blaming manufacturers..intamin placed a woman in a hospital..if we are looking at it like that 👀
Will not run this year
20:09 to 20:28 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Cute without the 👓
Awww. Thanks, but they’re part of my brand. Can’t quit them.
Don’t hire that professional, my buddie can do it for half price!!!
Dude get off Intamin’s sack. How often was TTD down before it seriously hurt someone? How often is Maverick down? Let’s not mention Intamin had a ride kill someone at the park. Why does CedarFair not use Intamin anymore????? The history shows Intamin had major issues. At this point Zamperla and CedarFair are trying to make things right long term. Are things optimal? No but, it’s very early in the Zamperla/CedarFair relationship to go on such a rant. Breathe things will be ok.
I know enthusiasts got on my nerves with that. They struggled with Dragster for 20 years. The launch cable snapped right it opened and they are lucky that ride didn’t kill that lady in 2021
3 things:
Your video is too long so I didn’t watch.
2. I’m not with cedar point on this one.
3. Brandon from theme park predictions said it best in 8 minutes.
Cool. Thanks for the comment to help the algorithm.
Also, tell Brandon I said hi. I love him, and if his video is better for you, I love that for you and him.
@@notyournormalg1you can tell him. Thanks !