I remember meeting Reuben Langdon, Dante's VA and Mocap actor, at a convention years back. Contrary to the commercial success of DMC3, he disclosed that DMC3 got A LOT of hate because this younger Dante was snarky, cocky, and too energetic compared to DMC1's cool, collected, and more level headed Dante.
At this point it's a neverending cycle: people wasn't friendly about Dante in DMC3, Nero in DMC4, Donte in DmC and, again, some people weren't happy about Nero in 5 :D
@@Cuhrayzee I think its because some fans are WAY TOO clingy to the original and in a way AFRAID of change. And unfortunately, the fandom proved that true after the reboot. Which honestly isnt as bad as the fans make it seem. The gameplay was fun and honestly, if the reboot was its own game/series and NOT connected to Devil May Cry in any way/shape/form, it would have done a lot better reception wise
to be honest,the dmc3 cocky dante felt better tho,shows that even the guy who devils feared the most was a teenage youngster once,same issue with nero dmc4.
@@Cuhrayzee i guess dont really like when you change the original persinaluties of a beloved character. also DmC aka DMC4.5 or chronicles of vergil or the reboot game was pretty gameplaywise, it was a bit shallow and easy combat i guess but it is honestly better than lotta other hack n slash games
This actually makes DMC2 seem tragic in a way I haven't seen before. Usually people focus on just bashing the game without consideration for the team that worked on it, but some of the cut content you highlight here gives the impression that the team failed not for lack of creative drive or carinf, but because of mismanagement combined with over-ambition until Itsuno stepped it to salvage the project into something shippable.
It's just Capcom suits making bad descision after bad decision. First they remove the team that created DMC1, then they try to push it out as fast as possible to capitalize on DMC being an overnight genre-defining success, then they scramble anyone available to work on it. It was the definition of a cash grab.
5 is filled with apologies and love letters to DmC because Itsuno was so upset with how it was handled by Capcom, and literally almost quit along with Ninja Theory if he didn't get full creative control. Turns out letting developers do what they want is almost always a good thing... ...unless you're Hideo Kojima.
He did apparently have sex with women in the DMC1 Novel. Plus, Sign of Chastity is treated as a key item, just like many other key items being called names as abstract as so.
Athena swore an eternal vow to her father to remain a virgin. Brains are associated with intelligence and intelligence is the domain of the Goddess of Wisdom, Owls, Athens, and strategic battle.
You forgot to mention the 2 cutscenes of the trial version of DMC3 had some minor changes, too. Like the way Dante chews his pizza in the intro cutscene, and how instead of smiling and looking around Cerberus' lair in the final build he has a grumpy look on his face and does a hand gesture indicating that something stinks.
That's true! Making videos like this is a balancing act of what to include and not, as the flow of the video is really important for us. We also omited cape/hair physics in DMC 3 section, and moves found in DMC4SE files, as we wanted to focus on other parts which we think are interesting too. I hope to release a "behind the scenes" video with our process and how we made some of the discoveries later, so, stay tuned for it. And thank you for the comment/feedback, it's much appreciated!
Nice video. I'm a huge fan of this series and have been picking up details on the development of each game wherever I can. Once upon a time I found a tonne of details from Kamiya himself answering fan questions for an ancient Resident Evil php forum (and no, sorry, I can't for the life of me find it again). So here's some bits you either missed or left out about DMC1: -Vergil's original name was Paul. -After being scrapped as a RE game, it was briefly named Karnival, then almost Devil May Care, but became Devil May Cry once they noticed a potential copyright issue. -The script used for the DT meter and a number of demonically built things (the wall plate switches you need to attack to activate, Nightmare's final arena, the red things Nobodies suck out of you) is Siddham script, which was almost like the Japanese Buddhist equivalent to Hebrew in that it's a "magical" language often appearing in occult works. Specifically the variation documented by 8th century Shingon monk Kukai (pr Kobo Daishi as he's more commonly known in Japan), largely for writing the sutras and other "magical" talismans and such. -The premise of the original game was that Spencer was literally hundreds of years old due to his successful alchemical experiments and was challenging Tony/Dante to become his successor, facing off against Paul/Vergil for the right. Tony had been a black sheep up to that point, using his nanomachine and biological enhancements to work as a sort of mercenary, largely for the police (given his second name was RedGRAVE, he was probably a more badass RedFIELD special forces kind of guy). The Nobody enemies were actually an ancient race of mutants, buried under the castle and rediscovered by Spencer, whose bodies contained some sort of substance he used in his immortality projects (I actually never copped the Jojo reference, but they were basically primitive Pillarmen now that I think of it), with the T and G Virus being further developments of it, which is an idea later RE games revisted. The "underworld" of the castle was also likewise a giant living organism of some sort which had grown up through the floor and fused with the stones, hence things like the pulsating cathedral pillars. Lastly, the Dark Knight costume you unlock at the end wasn't a design for Sparda, but one for Tony or Paul if they opted to inherit the family and live for hundreds of years themselves. -The only enemies wholly invented after the story change were the Sin/Death Scissors/Scythe enemies, the Sargassos and Nelo Angelo, and you can tell because there's no concept art for them. Nelo Angelo in particular was super late and literally uses Dante's same skeleton and animations almost entirely. DMC2: -The major reason 2's development was such a mess was because Capcom had a huge reshuffle of the company in those years. While the same reshuffle allowed Clover Studios to be born, one relevant issue was that its Arcade Division was almost entirely absorbed into the other Dev offices (due to home consoles becoming more widespread). Capcom has/had multiple office buildings for their Divisions, so it was highly unlikely you would ever see people outside of your own building outside of a few scenarios. A good chunk of the Arcade Division were sitting around without anything to do for a few months after the reshuffle, asked for some sort of project to work on, and it seems an executive said "I dunno, do DMC2". The team had very little experience with the PS2 and the person placed as director wound up there almost by accident or without much thought. He didn't really have the chops for this sort of linear story driven game, but with little oversight from above the project just meandered for a long time regardless. Daigo Ikeno, I think, probably wound up on it because he'd been largely working with the Arcade division on stuff like Street Fighter. Bingo Morihashi had also just joined Capcom at the time and wound up in 2's team, though he largely just did item descriptions and text rather than actual writing. -I think that director was also responsible for the odd Diesel clothing crossover because he'd worked with them in some capacity. Though it may have been another dev, I forget. -The occult and mythological references are all Ikeno it seems, which explains the "Geryon" bike. There are also lots of Norse mythology, western alchemy, and biblical references in 2, but that extends into 3 and 5 also. They're honestly so deep and obscure I could spend forever talking about where I think he got them. Kamiya is also pretty knowledgeable on the occult and mythology going off DMC1, Bayonetta and Okami. -The Nefasturris boss, going from concept art and the mismatched gameplay-to-cutscene model was originally slated to appear in the underground ruins area where he was akin to some sort of Byzantine statue of a bearded man (perhaps Jesus or one of the Apostles). He's easy to compare to Mundus, himself a classical statue with evil goo inside it, but also the Savior and DmC enemies. But they were presumably in such a rush to get the game done that they didn't have time to redo the gameplay model. DMC3: -I could honestly go on forever about this one, so I'll just keep it to this: it heavily references both Lovecraft and the "Simon Necronomicon". Early on, Arkham's name was Heine (maaaaybe named after German poet Heinrich Heine) up to the early rehearsals of the cutscenes' mocap. Reuben Langdon uploaded some clips of these with Dan Southworth/Vergil saying his name. Some time after, it seemed like he was renamed Arkham in reference to H.P. Lovecraft, who is a lot more popular in Japan than most people know. -I'm going to bet this was Ikeno again, but Lovecraft's fictional grimoire, the Necronomicon (maybe that's what Arkham's book is?) had a real world equivalent written in the 70s by anonymous occultist "Simon", which is actually a lot more about Babylonian and Sumerian mythology than Lovecraft's own work. While it's something of a prank, it was highly influential in pop culture, going on to inspire the "Necronomicon Exmortis" from The Evil Dead. In DMC3, it is likely the origin of the Babylonian references, notably the name of the Temen-ni-gru. -Lastly, and you can even hear this in the Special Edition during his boss fight which means it was a on-the-day change in the recording booth, but Jester's name was originally Joker. And that was presumably changed because "Arkham" and "Joker" would be more recognizable as Batman references to an English speaking audience. Ofc Batman's "Arkham" is also a Lovecraft reference.
DMC4: -After solidly working through 2, 3 and 3 Special Edition, the team was burnt out. They knew early on that they wanted a new protagonist because working on even more Dante moves seemed nightmarish at the time, so Nero was conceived and would drastically change as development progressed, originally starting of as a much younger, Vergil-like character, to the guy he is now. Motivation was at an all time low, but then it got worse when the PS3 (which DMC4 was originally exclusive to) turned out to be a gigantic headache to develop for and may have wasted a year of dev time before they broke the exclusivity deal, switched to PC based development, then opted to port that version to either console down the line. -Eventually, as the game finally started to take shape, the team started to get excited again. This is why 4 seems weirdly hamstrung; they essentially lost a load of dev time early and the release date wouldn't budge likely due to revenue issues. There are apparently some unfinished models in the game files, namely a version of Dante's Sin DT, which I have yet to see mined. -An Easter Egg that only I seem to have noticed: the knight statue from the main hall of 1 is visible in the area of Fortuna castle with the four Gyro Blades you need to punch around. You can only see it by going to one of the doors back to the main hall and turning the camera so you can look through the window out into the courtyard. -Nero's Red Queen is a weapon concept originally scrapped from another game, most likely Monster Hunter. Capcom archives unused concepts across games and digs through them for fresh ideas. DmC: -Again, lots to say about this one. Most importantly, the (non-English speaking) Capcom supervisors kept telling Ninja Theory "it needs to look like a Western movie" when they would give feedback on early concepts. Ninja Theory didn't know exactly what this meant (hence the Brokeback Mountain joke in that one presentation, because it's a "Western" movie geddit) and kept throwing new concepts at the wall. I mean, all of the DMC games look like "Western movies" like The Matrix or Underworld or Blade, right? So what does "Western movie" even mean?? Eventually they went with a sort of gritty, street styled thing. Turns out, from a DMC5 interview with Itsuno and Matt, what Capcom meant was that it needed to look photorealistic, rendered like a "Western movie" like Iron Man or a Hollywood CGI laden thing. It wasn't the actual designs, it was the rendering style. Capcom considers all of the previous games slightly anime styled in how they're rendered, so they wanted something more real world (albeit with monsters and fantasy designs). Issues like this would prompt Capcom to stop licensing games to Western dev teams and create all of these barriers and to just hire bilingual westerners to work with them internally. -A whoooole lot of DmC is VERY similar to Alice: Madness Returns to a degree that few people seem to notice. I won't even go into them here because it would take too long, but it goes all the way down to weapon FX and attack noises. Play them back to back and it will jump out at you. -The reason it has the stupid name "DmC: Devil may Cry" is because they sent over lots of logo designs, one of which was a semi mirrored graffiti tag that said "DmC". A Capcom producer (I think I know which, but don't want to say) went and tried to copyright it as the game title, found out that you can't copyright three letters, then just slapped "Devil may Cry" on at the end to get around it. Thanks bro. DMC5: -It's early days yet for any really interesting stories to come out that most people haven't already seen in the artbooks. Maybe the most interesting thing is just how closely some of Red Grave City resembles London. I actually had just moved here when 5 was out and wound up working in the area of Nero's first proper level (Mayfair), but you fight Nidhogg in the literal Borough Market, right down to a sign saying so shortly before his arena. It's probably the closest any DMC has come to looking like a real location (1 follows with the cathedral pulling from Sagrada Familia in Barcelona).
Hey, wow, thanks for the comment! Yeah, we are aware of the majority of it, as we conducted extensive research and assembled our own wiki for future videos. As for Kamiya's comments, I think you mean the archive.org backup of the old Capcom.jp website, and if not, well, time to dig further! web.archive.org/web/20040630151157/www3.capcom.co.jp/devil/index2.html In general, we haven't included a lot of things, as 4SE having Trish/Lady moves, 3 having some additional physics, and 5 having additional text files related to items that Nero/V/Dante picks up after defeating bosses, as we wanted for the video to have certain pace, so including everything would take even more time, recording sessions with VO and additional translations. As noted in a different comment, we are planning on doing an additional video with our process and thought on the project. Maybe, down the line, if we come back to the "History Of The Series" format we wanted to do for a long time, all those details you mentioned will be there, in the same high-quality packaging as this video. But anyway, I'm glad that more people have that level of knowledge and depth about the series! It makes talking about it and discussing things even more interesting. Thank you!
@@Cuhrayzee Hey, thanks for the response. Looking forward to future videos. I think there's a lot of interesting stuff about this series that somehow hasn't been covered yet but you sound like the team to do it! As for Kamiya's comments, it was definitely a different site. It was a fan made Resident Evil forum, which I think was largely stuff like art, discussion and fanfic, nothing official endorsed by Capcom. The quotes from Kamiya were, iirc, responses from emails sent to him by the poster, copy pasted onto the forum afterwards sometime in the early 2000s. It honestly tortures me that I never bookmarked it or have been able to find it again. I do love Kamiya's little doodles on the Capcom site though!
22:48 For those who don't know, in Reuben Langdon's official channel, he uploaded the concept scene of the fight in a video called "Devil May Cry 3 - Previz" and it indeed looks weird how Lady stands up to the Sparda boys.
When you mentioned the cut "Lucky enemies" in DMC2 it reminded me of the Red Empusa from DMC5, that might be another example of concepts that weren't fully realized until later installments
Vid's great and the editing is top notch. I want to add that there's an old promo screenshot of DMC3 where Dante is holding Nevan while the bats hover in the air and drop lightning below them. It might have been a cut attack since the weapon is already complicated enough as it is.
You should specify you mean the special Edition. DMC3 was all sorts of bullshit on release from having normal difficulty actually be hard, to having none of the extra costumes or a playable Vergil which has since become the thing every special edition does. Basically just a practice of milking wallets.
Having watched Vash since he was doing pre-release coverage of DMC4SE in 2015, I read the title and was like "Oh shit, Vash is gonna be in this! I dunno who's commentating right now, but he sounds pretty cool too." Then it hit me about 3 minutes in that Vash sounds totally different while reading from a script now, compared to his older videos, and I felt like a dumbass. This was a great watch for sure, especially since the only other video on the topic felt like way more of a straight wiki reading than anything else. The editing was top notch; this is the kind of thing I think about doing when writing long scripts for DMC videos I'll never make cause I lack the time and equipment for it. A few interesting bits of cut or changed content I felt were glanced over, (stuff like DMC1's early trailer showing Dante without a coat, as well as Griffon and the Sparda DT being used in the cathedral battle with Phantom, Arkham and Jester originally being named Hyne and Joker, and several unused voice lines and Nico files within 5's data), but god knows there was enough being juggled as is, and there were plenty of things on display that even I didn't know about. Seeing someone finally cover things like the DMC2 dev build, the DMC4 practise mode UI, and DMC5's Mixer implementation were especially nice, since there's barely any full documentation of them, even on places like TCRF.
Haha, thank you! All editing is done by Dany (me), and VO is provided by Vash, he used to do videos on DMC before, but since stopped doing so. I'm glad to bring him back as he has an amazing voice! You can check his videos on his channel, I left the link to it in description
Been a massive Dmc fan (like the majority of us here) & a lot of this info was unknown to me, it's really cool getting a deeper look into a series from a Dev perspective vs just as a player, I wish we got more behind the scene stuff, like we did with Dmc3. There's just something satisfying about having this vantage point/knowledge. Thanks for an amazing video on such a cherished series,
Wow. Amazing dedication and research. There's a video in Portuguese here on TH-cam that talks about remains of a playable Lady that was supposed to be included with DMC3SE (though the remains can also be found in the original edition, so maybe they wanted her all the way back then), and apparently she even has an unused taunt animation. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere else for some reason. Other than that, this video is perfect!
This is a really great video, I love hearing about cut content and wondering about what could've been, but also how old ideas get repurposed into newer entries. Here's hoping we get a DMC6 one day and the devs can keep pushing themselves to create an even cuhrayzee-er experience.
Only just got recommended this video, thank god i did because i was not aware of even half the cut content in DMC3 Amazing work from everyone who put in effort for this video!
As a non-American, just hearing the words "a demon hunter wouldn't just use a gun from Walmart" and being reminded that in fact, in America, you can just walk into a store and buy a gun.
Thank you for this fascinating look at a lot of the DMC series early and cut content! It's very fascinating and very informative! I'm very thankful for this video. It really helped give an idea of how volatile the game development of my favorite series was.
Superb video; especially love hearing my mans Vash contribute his voice to this project. Very concise and well paced round up. To add to 22:07 "Terror of the Human Bombs!" is the title of episode 16 of Zambot 3 -- wherein the Gaizok kidnap humans, plant a bomb in their body, erase their memory and send them back into society to set them off and kill hundreds of humans at a time. If that sounds extremely dark for a 70's robot anime for kids... yes. It's a pretty horrific and gut wrenching show.
this only made me want to replay DMC 2. people may hate it, i didnt, i especially liked the amulet where i can fly as often as i want and also that i guess we call it sin devil trigger now which was really cool along with the flying mechanic where i shoot fireballs.
That was really interesting to watch. Even though I played only DMC4 and was a big fan of that part, seeing the retrospective and some digging into other details was also fun. Especially with this production quality 🤤
Thank you so much for this. I love DmC Devil May Cry so much. And seeing/hearing more content gave me peace. I appreciate you for digging further into the game. Especially with its lack of popularity. Thank you for giving me this.
All these years later and I still find DmC not even that bad, it was a lot of fun to play and I'm mostly sad the Definitive Edition (which, according to many made the game feel even better to play considering it tones down some of the frustrating elements in combat) never came to PC. Sure, it was definitely a bit cringe but that's something I grew to like about it. It was also cool to hear a with a vocalist from my country providing the majority of the music as well. Plus, the visuals of Limbo are honestly very good.
It was more like the creators of DmC were doing everything they can to taunt the original playerbase. Even going so far as to make fun of the hero Dante at every turn including his threads and attitude Thats what left a bad taste in everyones mouths If the developers wern't so adamant on punking fans, i think it would have done a lot better
@@HelmedHorror666 Yeah, that part (which I honestly only learned about a lot later) was kinda shitty to know about. Otherwise I liked most of the stuff about the game.
I still enjoy DmC honestly. Wasn't the best story wise and the devs attacking the fans sucked but I loved the combat and some of the elements and concepts of the game. I always like seeing when new takes are spun on things and reimagined in new ways. But ultimately it failing was good since that lead to is getting DMC5. That being said I whole heartedly would love to see a DmC 2 that starts an alt universe spin off series to the main games as apposed to being their replacement like the first one was supposed to be.
I think DmC is a solid game. With great gameplay, design and ideas. The problem for me is the story is lacking and try hard and the developers attitude didn't help. Still the game deserves its fans and people who say the reboot is the worst never played DMC2.
Fantastic video. Very informative! The editing was also spot-on, with all the effects and transitions, it kept things very interesting and easy to watch. Nice work!
SSS VIDEO !! Some stuff i didn't know about,( the bike sequence in DMC2 seems really cool), anyway the production value is amazing really ! You deserve so much more powe... i mean, followers ! Finally, Shout out to Claudia indeed for her translating work, she deserve more light
I would pay SO MUCH money for a real Co-Op bloody palace in DMC5, and knowing that it was actually considered makes me even sadder that it doesn’t exist
Wow, this video is so professionally made, I was surprised to see that the video had fewer views than it should have, this video has front page status. Keep up the great work, dude. For sure subscribing for future videos.
My step brother who loves the DMC games told me when I was little that in a later DMC game, Dante could throw a sword. I tried to find which game and never found it. Thought he was lying to hype me up. Now I realized that he must’ve played the trial version.
Sorry, my bad, i was thinking of drive... But i clearly remember throwing rebellion which then stayed on the enemy rotating and doing dmg before returning in Dante's hand, in dmc3...
@alessandrobaggi6129 Dante could use Round Trip in Dmc1 with Alastor and Sparda. Dmc3 is the only game where Dante can't use it. Vergil in Dmc3 can use Round Trip both during his final boss battle and as a playable character in the special edition. Dmc3 Dante does have a move called sword pierce when using swordmaster style. He throws the sword straight forward instead of spinning it, and he can kick enemies while the sword is thrown.
one time looking through dmc1 concept art i saw art for a kraken boss. i haven't looked anything up about it but i assume it would've been put in mission 12 as the boss on the pirate ship, which makes way more sense than griffon. Im sure a kraken boss would have been annoying, but i doubt it could be worse than fighting griffon on that ship. or maybe the game devs would've been evil and made that an underwater fight. either way im sure this boss was probably originally for when the game was supposed to be resident evil, and didn't make it past the concept stage, as it wasn't even mentioned in this video.
Super cool video, can't believe it didn't mntion the partially playable version of Virgil in the vanilla release of DMC5 though. Still an awesome video though!
That bike segment reminds me of the sequence in FFVII where Cloud and co are escaping Shinra. Thankfully we live in an era of the remake, DMC2 could get one.
DMC: DmC oddly reminds me of an anime live-action reboot. It could have been good if it weren't based on an ip with a still-thriving and rabid fan base that I also was a part of.
So glad the algo chose to show me this video and this channel! While DMC is one of my all-time favourite games I surprisingly only knew the usual "This came out from RE4" story and "DMC4 was meant to be so much more" etc. Great watch and happy to see this game pop on my TL. 5 is in my top 3 fave games, but it has been over 4 years now. I sometimes wonder how on earth we still havent heard about a 6th entry after the huge success that 5 was? Makes you almost think, because it wont happen ever, but after the 4 to 5 drought...anything can happen in this franchise :)
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video! The "why we don't have more DMC" is a tricky question. Main problem is that there's no one to work on it. Itsuno is busy with Dragon's Dogma 2, and a lot of key people left Capcom since the release of DMC5. Matt Walker (DMC5 producer), Hiroyuki Kobayashi (producer who worked on the series since the beginning), Ryota Suzuki (was a game planner), Ryosuke Yoshida (game planner) left as well. Only people, who worked on the series before and still at Capcom are Yoichiro Ikeda (lead planner) and Junya Kumabe, who was heavily advertised during 5SE release, as one of the new "leads" for Vergi's gameplay.
I think what's sad about DmC:DMC is that the concept art and trailer footage is genuinely interesting. The two Angel and Devil forms in the concept art for Dante are much more artistic than the simple white hair change DT he has in the finished game. I actually think a cigarette smoking depressed "I don't give a shit" Dante who was tortured as a child would've been unique. I'm not saying good, just unique. Then it would've been up to the execution to decide whether it would be good or not. Either way it would've been much more interesting to look back on in 2023, and definitely would've made the game stand out more rather than feeling like it's just a watered down version of the games we already have.
While researching stuff for the video we found some old forum posts about earlier dev cycle, some earlier ideas about levels (like a fight on a moving train, if I recall correctly), and some details about plot details. If we end up rebooting our "history of the series" video we started long ago (in a different language), I think I'll bring those posts up, and try to contact the devs who left them.
@@Cuhrayzee That would be amazing. This stuff is so obscure and a deeper look into what could've been with DmC is completely nonexistent in the main fanbase.
@@halionextra Yeah the reboot definitely needs a reboot or a sequel. It was a good game with a simple yet rewarding combat, but was over hated by the fanboys.
I gotta agree.. The fans (as a fan myself) gave it more hate than it deserved. First sign for me was the 'not in a million years' scene. so many seemed genuinely offended by it while it took it as kinda in joke. You know, because his hair does go white the more 'devilish ' he goes (unless this wasnt initially the plan, but even then, its still just a fun reference, not a flatout insult). Theres a lot of unneeded hate to be honest. Though i fully agree the cursing fight between Dante and Succubus was the worst scene in the game by miles.
Amazing video. I loved seeing all the ideas they had. The reboot DMC had so many different directions it could have went. I like all the extra art to for sure. I am playing all these games now on my channel so it was interesting to see some of my thoughts confimed as well as some new secrets
33:05 interestingly enough, when i was digging into the Xbox demo to scalp for extra moves for notes, i found the punchline. However it was designed _just like the garbura 0.2, the custom skin from the dlc_
There needs to be a Divergence and infinite repeating magazine patch for 5:SE. Make it cost the sum total of you load out in red orbs for balance, that way we can exploit Nero's total tech on console. A remake of 2 sounds like a great project for Capcom. Edit: Co-op Bloody Palace!
The idea of DMC1's weapons being just different forms of the Force Edge/Sparda would've actually been pretty cool. Also, i know DMC2 is hated......but damn, not even a mention of Lucia, not even in DMC5 which had a lot of references to the previous titles.
Being a fan of the series since the beginning was such ride. Here's to many more years of new people joining the party and veterans sharing their stories.
Hey, good question! While working on the video, we bought a lot of DMC media which we re-used for the video. Our goal is to upload it and other materials we used to a separate "archive" channel so people can enjoy it in high resolution. We will post the links either here on TH-cam community tab, or on our Twitter.
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Very cool video.
Thank you, Suzi! Your stuff is an inspiration to us ^_^
@@Cuhrayzeeno prob! 😈
I fucking love your content
YAWN meh idk seems kinda mid and cringe 🤡👻
@@SerfsUp1848Dude, stop it.
I remember meeting Reuben Langdon, Dante's VA and Mocap actor, at a convention years back. Contrary to the commercial success of DMC3, he disclosed that DMC3 got A LOT of hate because this younger Dante was snarky, cocky, and too energetic compared to DMC1's cool, collected, and more level headed Dante.
At this point it's a neverending cycle: people wasn't friendly about Dante in DMC3, Nero in DMC4, Donte in DmC and, again, some people weren't happy about Nero in 5 :D
@@Cuhrayzee I think its because some fans are WAY TOO clingy to the original and in a way AFRAID of change. And unfortunately, the fandom proved that true after the reboot. Which honestly isnt as bad as the fans make it seem. The gameplay was fun and honestly, if the reboot was its own game/series and NOT connected to Devil May Cry in any way/shape/form, it would have done a lot better reception wise
I'm one of the DMC fans where I don't care where you take the franchise. Just give me great fun combat and some story and cool enemies
to be honest,the dmc3 cocky dante felt better tho,shows that even the guy who devils feared the most was a teenage youngster once,same issue with nero dmc4.
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i guess dont really like when you change the original persinaluties of a beloved character.
also DmC aka DMC4.5 or chronicles of vergil or the reboot game was pretty gameplaywise, it was a bit shallow and easy combat i guess but it is honestly better than lotta other hack n slash games
This actually makes DMC2 seem tragic in a way I haven't seen before. Usually people focus on just bashing the game without consideration for the team that worked on it, but some of the cut content you highlight here gives the impression that the team failed not for lack of creative drive or carinf, but because of mismanagement combined with over-ambition until Itsuno stepped it to salvage the project into something shippable.
The game could've actually been good
It's just Capcom suits making bad descision after bad decision. First they remove the team that created DMC1, then they try to push it out as fast as possible to capitalize on DMC being an overnight genre-defining success, then they scramble anyone available to work on it.
It was the definition of a cash grab.
DMC 2’s potential bike sequence might’ve actually been a little nod to FF7’s chase scene.
The animation for the sword definitely reminded me of Cloud there.
34:40 That soft drink V is drinking is actually the energy drink came from DmC Devil May Cry
5 is filled with apologies and love letters to DmC because Itsuno was so upset with how it was handled by Capcom, and literally almost quit along with Ninja Theory if he didn't get full creative control. Turns out letting developers do what they want is almost always a good thing...
...unless you're Hideo Kojima.
It's a subtle thing, but I always thought it was funny that the "Sign of Chastity" was just a brain. Literally just having a brain.
It takes mental strength to keep it I guess.
He did apparently have sex with women in the DMC1 Novel. Plus, Sign of Chastity is treated as a key item, just like many other key items being called names as abstract as so.
Casually confirmed smarter twin all along, I knew it!
Athena swore an eternal vow to her father to remain a virgin. Brains are associated with intelligence and intelligence is the domain of the Goddess of Wisdom, Owls, Athens, and strategic battle.
Cray
You forgot to mention the 2 cutscenes of the trial version of DMC3 had some minor changes, too. Like the way Dante chews his pizza in the intro cutscene, and how instead of smiling and looking around Cerberus' lair in the final build he has a grumpy look on his face and does a hand gesture indicating that something stinks.
That's true!
Making videos like this is a balancing act of what to include and not, as the flow of the video is really important for us.
We also omited cape/hair physics in DMC 3 section, and moves found in DMC4SE files, as we wanted to focus on other parts which we think are interesting too.
I hope to release a "behind the scenes" video with our process and how we made some of the discoveries later, so, stay tuned for it.
And thank you for the comment/feedback, it's much appreciated!
@@Cuhrayzee No problem. Understandable.
Sounds like the used that idea for the king Cerberus cut in dmc 5 because he does the hand gesture when entering the king Cerberus chamber
@@Cuhrayzee also in dmc 5 u forgot the devil trigger song had vocals during s rank and somehow it didnt make it to the full game
This is insanely incredible work man. You guys should be very proud of this.
Chase! You are loved.
Nice video. I'm a huge fan of this series and have been picking up details on the development of each game wherever I can. Once upon a time I found a tonne of details from Kamiya himself answering fan questions for an ancient Resident Evil php forum (and no, sorry, I can't for the life of me find it again). So here's some bits you either missed or left out about DMC1:
-Vergil's original name was Paul.
-After being scrapped as a RE game, it was briefly named Karnival, then almost Devil May Care, but became Devil May Cry once they noticed a potential copyright issue.
-The script used for the DT meter and a number of demonically built things (the wall plate switches you need to attack to activate, Nightmare's final arena, the red things Nobodies suck out of you) is Siddham script, which was almost like the Japanese Buddhist equivalent to Hebrew in that it's a "magical" language often appearing in occult works. Specifically the variation documented by 8th century Shingon monk Kukai (pr Kobo Daishi as he's more commonly known in Japan), largely for writing the sutras and other "magical" talismans and such.
-The premise of the original game was that Spencer was literally hundreds of years old due to his successful alchemical experiments and was challenging Tony/Dante to become his successor, facing off against Paul/Vergil for the right. Tony had been a black sheep up to that point, using his nanomachine and biological enhancements to work as a sort of mercenary, largely for the police (given his second name was RedGRAVE, he was probably a more badass RedFIELD special forces kind of guy). The Nobody enemies were actually an ancient race of mutants, buried under the castle and rediscovered by Spencer, whose bodies contained some sort of substance he used in his immortality projects (I actually never copped the Jojo reference, but they were basically primitive Pillarmen now that I think of it), with the T and G Virus being further developments of it, which is an idea later RE games revisted. The "underworld" of the castle was also likewise a giant living organism of some sort which had grown up through the floor and fused with the stones, hence things like the pulsating cathedral pillars. Lastly, the Dark Knight costume you unlock at the end wasn't a design for Sparda, but one for Tony or Paul if they opted to inherit the family and live for hundreds of years themselves.
-The only enemies wholly invented after the story change were the Sin/Death Scissors/Scythe enemies, the Sargassos and Nelo Angelo, and you can tell because there's no concept art for them. Nelo Angelo in particular was super late and literally uses Dante's same skeleton and animations almost entirely.
DMC2:
-The major reason 2's development was such a mess was because Capcom had a huge reshuffle of the company in those years. While the same reshuffle allowed Clover Studios to be born, one relevant issue was that its Arcade Division was almost entirely absorbed into the other Dev offices (due to home consoles becoming more widespread). Capcom has/had multiple office buildings for their Divisions, so it was highly unlikely you would ever see people outside of your own building outside of a few scenarios. A good chunk of the Arcade Division were sitting around without anything to do for a few months after the reshuffle, asked for some sort of project to work on, and it seems an executive said "I dunno, do DMC2". The team had very little experience with the PS2 and the person placed as director wound up there almost by accident or without much thought. He didn't really have the chops for this sort of linear story driven game, but with little oversight from above the project just meandered for a long time regardless. Daigo Ikeno, I think, probably wound up on it because he'd been largely working with the Arcade division on stuff like Street Fighter. Bingo Morihashi had also just joined Capcom at the time and wound up in 2's team, though he largely just did item descriptions and text rather than actual writing.
-I think that director was also responsible for the odd Diesel clothing crossover because he'd worked with them in some capacity. Though it may have been another dev, I forget.
-The occult and mythological references are all Ikeno it seems, which explains the "Geryon" bike. There are also lots of Norse mythology, western alchemy, and biblical references in 2, but that extends into 3 and 5 also. They're honestly so deep and obscure I could spend forever talking about where I think he got them. Kamiya is also pretty knowledgeable on the occult and mythology going off DMC1, Bayonetta and Okami.
-The Nefasturris boss, going from concept art and the mismatched gameplay-to-cutscene model was originally slated to appear in the underground ruins area where he was akin to some sort of Byzantine statue of a bearded man (perhaps Jesus or one of the Apostles). He's easy to compare to Mundus, himself a classical statue with evil goo inside it, but also the Savior and DmC enemies. But they were presumably in such a rush to get the game done that they didn't have time to redo the gameplay model.
DMC3:
-I could honestly go on forever about this one, so I'll just keep it to this: it heavily references both Lovecraft and the "Simon Necronomicon". Early on, Arkham's name was Heine (maaaaybe named after German poet Heinrich Heine) up to the early rehearsals of the cutscenes' mocap. Reuben Langdon uploaded some clips of these with Dan Southworth/Vergil saying his name. Some time after, it seemed like he was renamed Arkham in reference to H.P. Lovecraft, who is a lot more popular in Japan than most people know.
-I'm going to bet this was Ikeno again, but Lovecraft's fictional grimoire, the Necronomicon (maybe that's what Arkham's book is?) had a real world equivalent written in the 70s by anonymous occultist "Simon", which is actually a lot more about Babylonian and Sumerian mythology than Lovecraft's own work. While it's something of a prank, it was highly influential in pop culture, going on to inspire the "Necronomicon Exmortis" from The Evil Dead. In DMC3, it is likely the origin of the Babylonian references, notably the name of the Temen-ni-gru.
-Lastly, and you can even hear this in the Special Edition during his boss fight which means it was a on-the-day change in the recording booth, but Jester's name was originally Joker. And that was presumably changed because "Arkham" and "Joker" would be more recognizable as Batman references to an English speaking audience. Ofc Batman's "Arkham" is also a Lovecraft reference.
DMC4:
-After solidly working through 2, 3 and 3 Special Edition, the team was burnt out. They knew early on that they wanted a new protagonist because working on even more Dante moves seemed nightmarish at the time, so Nero was conceived and would drastically change as development progressed, originally starting of as a much younger, Vergil-like character, to the guy he is now. Motivation was at an all time low, but then it got worse when the PS3 (which DMC4 was originally exclusive to) turned out to be a gigantic headache to develop for and may have wasted a year of dev time before they broke the exclusivity deal, switched to PC based development, then opted to port that version to either console down the line.
-Eventually, as the game finally started to take shape, the team started to get excited again. This is why 4 seems weirdly hamstrung; they essentially lost a load of dev time early and the release date wouldn't budge likely due to revenue issues. There are apparently some unfinished models in the game files, namely a version of Dante's Sin DT, which I have yet to see mined.
-An Easter Egg that only I seem to have noticed: the knight statue from the main hall of 1 is visible in the area of Fortuna castle with the four Gyro Blades you need to punch around. You can only see it by going to one of the doors back to the main hall and turning the camera so you can look through the window out into the courtyard.
-Nero's Red Queen is a weapon concept originally scrapped from another game, most likely Monster Hunter. Capcom archives unused concepts across games and digs through them for fresh ideas.
DmC:
-Again, lots to say about this one. Most importantly, the (non-English speaking) Capcom supervisors kept telling Ninja Theory "it needs to look like a Western movie" when they would give feedback on early concepts. Ninja Theory didn't know exactly what this meant (hence the Brokeback Mountain joke in that one presentation, because it's a "Western" movie geddit) and kept throwing new concepts at the wall. I mean, all of the DMC games look like "Western movies" like The Matrix or Underworld or Blade, right? So what does "Western movie" even mean?? Eventually they went with a sort of gritty, street styled thing. Turns out, from a DMC5 interview with Itsuno and Matt, what Capcom meant was that it needed to look photorealistic, rendered like a "Western movie" like Iron Man or a Hollywood CGI laden thing. It wasn't the actual designs, it was the rendering style. Capcom considers all of the previous games slightly anime styled in how they're rendered, so they wanted something more real world (albeit with monsters and fantasy designs). Issues like this would prompt Capcom to stop licensing games to Western dev teams and create all of these barriers and to just hire bilingual westerners to work with them internally.
-A whoooole lot of DmC is VERY similar to Alice: Madness Returns to a degree that few people seem to notice. I won't even go into them here because it would take too long, but it goes all the way down to weapon FX and attack noises. Play them back to back and it will jump out at you.
-The reason it has the stupid name "DmC: Devil may Cry" is because they sent over lots of logo designs, one of which was a semi mirrored graffiti tag that said "DmC". A Capcom producer (I think I know which, but don't want to say) went and tried to copyright it as the game title, found out that you can't copyright three letters, then just slapped "Devil may Cry" on at the end to get around it. Thanks bro.
DMC5:
-It's early days yet for any really interesting stories to come out that most people haven't already seen in the artbooks. Maybe the most interesting thing is just how closely some of Red Grave City resembles London. I actually had just moved here when 5 was out and wound up working in the area of Nero's first proper level (Mayfair), but you fight Nidhogg in the literal Borough Market, right down to a sign saying so shortly before his arena. It's probably the closest any DMC has come to looking like a real location (1 follows with the cathedral pulling from Sagrada Familia in Barcelona).
Hey, wow, thanks for the comment! Yeah, we are aware of the majority of it, as we conducted extensive research and assembled our own wiki for future videos.
As for Kamiya's comments, I think you mean the archive.org backup of the old Capcom.jp website, and if not, well, time to dig further!
web.archive.org/web/20040630151157/www3.capcom.co.jp/devil/index2.html
In general, we haven't included a lot of things, as 4SE having Trish/Lady moves, 3 having some additional physics, and 5 having additional text files related to items that Nero/V/Dante picks up after defeating bosses, as we wanted for the video to have certain pace, so including everything would take even more time, recording sessions with VO and additional translations. As noted in a different comment, we are planning on doing an additional video with our process and thought on the project. Maybe, down the line, if we come back to the "History Of The Series" format we wanted to do for a long time, all those details you mentioned will be there, in the same high-quality packaging as this video.
But anyway, I'm glad that more people have that level of knowledge and depth about the series! It makes talking about it and discussing things even more interesting. Thank you!
@@Cuhrayzee Hey, thanks for the response. Looking forward to future videos. I think there's a lot of interesting stuff about this series that somehow hasn't been covered yet but you sound like the team to do it!
As for Kamiya's comments, it was definitely a different site. It was a fan made Resident Evil forum, which I think was largely stuff like art, discussion and fanfic, nothing official endorsed by Capcom. The quotes from Kamiya were, iirc, responses from emails sent to him by the poster, copy pasted onto the forum afterwards sometime in the early 2000s. It honestly tortures me that I never bookmarked it or have been able to find it again.
I do love Kamiya's little doodles on the Capcom site though!
Ooooohhh so neros mother is Marry Jane, interesting to know.
Nice facts, they were really interesting and thought provoking
22:48 For those who don't know, in Reuben Langdon's official channel, he uploaded the concept scene of the fight in a video called "Devil May Cry 3 - Previz" and it indeed looks weird how Lady stands up to the Sparda boys.
i would've loved extended choreography but yeah as cool as lady is i couldn't see it lasting for too long so it makes sense to cut it down
15:00 DMC2 really needs a remake so that the cut motorcycle sections to be added in the game.
I know right. It would be a miracle if they got Hideki to do it too. A DMC2 remake done right would easily be the best one in the series.
Incredible video! It make me wish for a total remake of DMC 2 even more.
When you mentioned the cut "Lucky enemies" in DMC2 it reminded me of the Red Empusa from DMC5, that might be another example of concepts that weren't fully realized until later installments
Vid's great and the editing is top notch.
I want to add that there's an old promo screenshot of DMC3 where Dante is holding Nevan while the bats hover in the air and drop lightning below them. It might have been a cut attack since the weapon is already complicated enough as it is.
Crazy how consistent and polished DMC3 is!.
You should specify you mean the special Edition. DMC3 was all sorts of bullshit on release from having normal difficulty actually be hard, to having none of the extra costumes or a playable Vergil which has since become the thing every special edition does. Basically just a practice of milking wallets.
I named my first born son Dante and wore a DMC 3 shirt when he was born. Can't find the shirt now it's been almost 14 years lol
Ohhh, that's sweet! Hope he'll try the game himself at some point :D
Having watched Vash since he was doing pre-release coverage of DMC4SE in 2015, I read the title and was like "Oh shit, Vash is gonna be in this! I dunno who's commentating right now, but he sounds pretty cool too."
Then it hit me about 3 minutes in that Vash sounds totally different while reading from a script now, compared to his older videos, and I felt like a dumbass.
This was a great watch for sure, especially since the only other video on the topic felt like way more of a straight wiki reading than anything else. The editing was top notch; this is the kind of thing I think about doing when writing long scripts for DMC videos I'll never make cause I lack the time and equipment for it.
A few interesting bits of cut or changed content I felt were glanced over, (stuff like DMC1's early trailer showing Dante without a coat, as well as Griffon and the Sparda DT being used in the cathedral battle with Phantom, Arkham and Jester originally being named Hyne and Joker, and several unused voice lines and Nico files within 5's data), but god knows there was enough being juggled as is, and there were plenty of things on display that even I didn't know about. Seeing someone finally cover things like the DMC2 dev build, the DMC4 practise mode UI, and DMC5's Mixer implementation were especially nice, since there's barely any full documentation of them, even on places like TCRF.
Man your editing style is so professional and your voice is just perfect for story telling(or in this case cut content-telling).
Haha, thank you!
All editing is done by Dany (me), and VO is provided by Vash, he used to do videos on DMC before, but since stopped doing so. I'm glad to bring him back as he has an amazing voice!
You can check his videos on his channel, I left the link to it in description
I love Devil May Cry series, I replayed each game, even DMC2 over 5 times
The best DMC features are: NG+ and replay-ability
Jeez, haven’t heard Vash in years but cool to see he’s doing alright. Good video, always interesting to learn about the cut content like this.
He was the first RE4 runner I saw.
Been a massive Dmc fan (like the majority of us here) & a lot of this info was unknown to me, it's really cool getting a deeper look into a series from a Dev perspective vs just as a player, I wish we got more behind the scene stuff, like we did with Dmc3. There's just something satisfying about having this vantage point/knowledge. Thanks for an amazing video on such a cherished series,
*One of my All Time Favorite Video Game Franchise*
Wow. Amazing dedication and research. There's a video in Portuguese here on TH-cam that talks about remains of a playable Lady that was supposed to be included with DMC3SE (though the remains can also be found in the original edition, so maybe they wanted her all the way back then), and apparently she even has an unused taunt animation. I've never seen this mentioned anywhere else for some reason. Other than that, this video is perfect!
This is a really great video, I love hearing about cut content and wondering about what could've been, but also how old ideas get repurposed into newer entries. Here's hoping we get a DMC6 one day and the devs can keep pushing themselves to create an even cuhrayzee-er experience.
Only just got recommended this video, thank god i did because i was not aware of even half the cut content in DMC3
Amazing work from everyone who put in effort for this video!
This video's fantastic. It's also nice to hear more voice work from Vash.
Yeah, that's some high-quality content DMC needs.
As a non-American, just hearing the words "a demon hunter wouldn't just use a gun from Walmart" and being reminded that in fact, in America, you can just walk into a store and buy a gun.
Seriously? I thought that was a joke lmao.
@kin4386 nope, they've got all kinds of firearms including rifles at walmart
They pulled their guns from the stores a few years ago now after a mass shooting in one of their stores
@@babydragon4813sure, now you can just go to a sports store for your gun.
Everything depends on location in this country. A lot of people don't know in Chicago it's illegal to sell spray paint lol
Thank you for this fascinating look at a lot of the DMC series early and cut content! It's very fascinating and very informative! I'm very thankful for this video. It really helped give an idea of how volatile the game development of my favorite series was.
Hakita's Ultrakill owes a lot to this franchise and Capcom.
Superbly researched and produced, I don't think I've seen a video of this quality for DMC commentary like this.
Superb video; especially love hearing my mans Vash contribute his voice to this project. Very concise and well paced round up. To add to 22:07 "Terror of the Human Bombs!" is the title of episode 16 of Zambot 3 -- wherein the Gaizok kidnap humans, plant a bomb in their body, erase their memory and send them back into society to set them off and kill hundreds of humans at a time. If that sounds extremely dark for a 70's robot anime for kids... yes. It's a pretty horrific and gut wrenching show.
Why does the early stages of DMC reboot sound a bit more interesting than the mess that we got.
Because Capcom doesn't understand it's important to let the developers do what they want without corporate interference.
So glad someone finally made a video on this topic. Because there is so much left behind on the cutting room floor that would be good for a video.
this only made me want to replay DMC 2. people may hate it, i didnt, i especially liked the amulet where i can fly as often as i want and also that i guess we call it sin devil trigger now which was really cool along with the flying mechanic where i shoot fireballs.
That was really interesting to watch. Even though I played only DMC4 and was a big fan of that part, seeing the retrospective and some digging into other details was also fun. Especially with this production quality 🤤
Thank you so much for this. I love DmC Devil May Cry so much. And seeing/hearing more content gave me peace. I appreciate you for digging further into the game. Especially with its lack of popularity. Thank you for giving me this.
Thank YOU for sharing your thoughts! We hope to bring more about the game down the line in our next videos c:
Absolutely happy to hear VASHTSB voice back again.
I'd like to see Lucia return.
One of the best videos on the series out there, well done
This is insane amount of work and care. Great job
All these years later and I still find DmC not even that bad, it was a lot of fun to play and I'm mostly sad the Definitive Edition (which, according to many made the game feel even better to play considering it tones down some of the frustrating elements in combat) never came to PC. Sure, it was definitely a bit cringe but that's something I grew to like about it. It was also cool to hear a with a vocalist from my country providing the majority of the music as well. Plus, the visuals of Limbo are honestly very good.
The music from DmC is way too underrated. Listening to the soundtrack is what convinced me to play it.
It was more like the creators of DmC were doing everything they can to taunt the original playerbase. Even going so far as to make fun of the hero Dante at every turn including his threads and attitude
Thats what left a bad taste in everyones mouths
If the developers wern't so adamant on punking fans, i think it would have done a lot better
@@HelmedHorror666 Yeah, that part (which I honestly only learned about a lot later) was kinda shitty to know about.
Otherwise I liked most of the stuff about the game.
I still enjoy DmC honestly. Wasn't the best story wise and the devs attacking the fans sucked but I loved the combat and some of the elements and concepts of the game. I always like seeing when new takes are spun on things and reimagined in new ways. But ultimately it failing was good since that lead to is getting DMC5. That being said I whole heartedly would love to see a DmC 2 that starts an alt universe spin off series to the main games as apposed to being their replacement like the first one was supposed to be.
I think DmC is a solid game. With great gameplay, design and ideas. The problem for me is the story is lacking and try hard and the developers attitude didn't help. Still the game deserves its fans and people who say the reboot is the worst never played DMC2.
I remember that there was a lot of things reused from the reboot, in some concept art for DMC5, V is actually drinking virility drink from the reboot.
Great vid, lots of stuff I never knew. Vash’s commentary was great as always
This video brings me so much joy
Fantastic video. Very informative! The editing was also spot-on, with all the effects and transitions, it kept things very interesting and easy to watch. Nice work!
Thank you! Feedback like this means a lot to us
man divergence is soo good like there is literally no reason removing it
Man, say what you will about DMC2 but the game gave us one of the best Dante outfit and to me the most cool DT in the series with Majin DT.
SSS VIDEO !! Some stuff i didn't know about,( the bike sequence in DMC2 seems really cool), anyway the production value is amazing really !
You deserve so much more powe... i mean, followers !
Finally, Shout out to Claudia indeed for her translating work, she deserve more light
How is this channel only 3.6k subs? Quality of videos is so good. You get a sub
35:55 missed the perfect opportunity to say "Fill it's dark soul with light"
I would pay SO MUCH money for a real Co-Op bloody palace in DMC5, and knowing that it was actually considered makes me even sadder that it doesn’t exist
Nice comeback Vash .
Well this is Insane Video Quality!
Good job Dany and everyone else!
I know devil may cry 2 wasn’t all that but damn those bike missions would have been great!
Devil trigger motorcycle in DMC2 was supposed to be a part of my adolescence. I'm sad now lmao
The DMC2 section is downright shocking
That machine gun idea was brought back and used for Devil May Cry 3 as the sniper rifle.
Imagine if Itsuno had an additional 6 months to polish out the combat, drop the extra firearms and give us Cavaliere more than a decade early.
Wow, this video is so professionally made, I was surprised to see that the video had fewer views than it should have, this video has front page status. Keep up the great work, dude. For sure subscribing for future videos.
Thank you! We glad you liked it :D
One of my new favorite videos ever.
Great work on this video. Genuinely interesting information on one of my favorite series ever.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Always love to watch whenever a video talking about Devil May Cry series!
Exceptional presentation of the info. Love to see it
Amazing video! A huge devil may cry fan and a lot of this stuff was new to me. Amazing work ❤️
I would be very curious about a remake of the 1st 2 games with the styles available from the games onward.
The moment somebody reads Mk as emmkay and mark in the same sentence I just stop asking questions and throw stuff in the air..
Thanks for the feedback! If we to talk about guns in our future videos, we will take this into an account and check with someone who knows it better
This is amazing definitely subbed
Did anyone else notice the insectoid demons and the skinned chicken boss from DMC 5 bein in the art book for the first 4 games?
My step brother who loves the DMC games told me when I was little that in a later DMC game, Dante could throw a sword. I tried to find which game and never found it. Thought he was lying to hype me up. Now I realized that he must’ve played the trial version.
It's a move that Dante has since DMC3...
Sorry, my bad, i was thinking of drive...
But i clearly remember throwing rebellion which then stayed on the enemy rotating and doing dmg before returning in Dante's hand, in dmc3...
@@alessandrobaggi6129do you mean round trip? Because he doesn't have that in the third game. He can throw his sword though
@@kamenriderbizzare4726 Yep. You nailed it. Thanks.
But then... is it from dmc4? 🤔
@alessandrobaggi6129 Dante could use Round Trip in Dmc1 with Alastor and Sparda. Dmc3 is the only game where Dante can't use it. Vergil in Dmc3 can use Round Trip both during his final boss battle and as a playable character in the special edition. Dmc3 Dante does have a move called sword pierce when using swordmaster style. He throws the sword straight forward instead of spinning it, and he can kick enemies while the sword is thrown.
The bike one looks like Final fantasy 7 ps1 with more animations and features.
one time looking through dmc1 concept art i saw art for a kraken boss. i haven't looked anything up about it but i assume it would've been put in mission 12 as the boss on the pirate ship, which makes way more sense than griffon. Im sure a kraken boss would have been annoying, but i doubt it could be worse than fighting griffon on that ship.
or maybe the game devs would've been evil and made that an underwater fight.
either way im sure this boss was probably originally for when the game was supposed to be resident evil, and didn't make it past the concept stage, as it wasn't even mentioned in this video.
Super cool video, can't believe it didn't mntion the partially playable version of Virgil in the vanilla release of DMC5 though. Still an awesome video though!
That bike segment reminds me of the sequence in FFVII where Cloud and co are escaping Shinra. Thankfully we live in an era of the remake, DMC2 could get one.
DMC: DmC oddly reminds me of an anime live-action reboot. It could have been good if it weren't based on an ip with a still-thriving and rabid fan base that I also was a part of.
So glad the algo chose to show me this video and this channel! While DMC is one of my all-time favourite games I surprisingly only knew the usual "This came out from RE4" story and "DMC4 was meant to be so much more" etc.
Great watch and happy to see this game pop on my TL. 5 is in my top 3 fave games, but it has been over 4 years now. I sometimes wonder how on earth we still havent heard about a 6th entry after the huge success that 5 was? Makes you almost think, because it wont happen ever, but after the 4 to 5 drought...anything can happen in this franchise :)
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video!
The "why we don't have more DMC" is a tricky question. Main problem is that there's no one to work on it. Itsuno is busy with Dragon's Dogma 2, and a lot of key people left Capcom since the release of DMC5. Matt Walker (DMC5 producer), Hiroyuki Kobayashi (producer who worked on the series since the beginning), Ryota Suzuki (was a game planner), Ryosuke Yoshida (game planner) left as well. Only people, who worked on the series before and still at Capcom are Yoichiro Ikeda (lead planner) and Junya Kumabe, who was heavily advertised during 5SE release, as one of the new "leads" for Vergi's gameplay.
After seeing this video... I want even more a DmC 2
I think what's sad about DmC:DMC is that the concept art and trailer footage is genuinely interesting. The two Angel and Devil forms in the concept art for Dante are much more artistic than the simple white hair change DT he has in the finished game. I actually think a cigarette smoking depressed "I don't give a shit" Dante who was tortured as a child would've been unique. I'm not saying good, just unique. Then it would've been up to the execution to decide whether it would be good or not. Either way it would've been much more interesting to look back on in 2023, and definitely would've made the game stand out more rather than feeling like it's just a watered down version of the games we already have.
While researching stuff for the video we found some old forum posts about earlier dev cycle, some earlier ideas about levels (like a fight on a moving train, if I recall correctly), and some details about plot details.
If we end up rebooting our "history of the series" video we started long ago (in a different language), I think I'll bring those posts up, and try to contact the devs who left them.
@@Cuhrayzee That would be amazing. This stuff is so obscure and a deeper look into what could've been with DmC is completely nonexistent in the main fanbase.
Would have been cool if reboot got rebooted
@@halionextra Yeah the reboot definitely needs a reboot or a sequel. It was a good game with a simple yet rewarding combat, but was over hated by the fanboys.
I gotta agree.. The fans (as a fan myself) gave it more hate than it deserved. First sign for me was the 'not in a million years' scene. so many seemed genuinely offended by it while it took it as kinda in joke. You know, because his hair does go white the more 'devilish ' he goes (unless this wasnt initially the plan, but even then, its still just a fun reference, not a flatout insult). Theres a lot of unneeded hate to be honest. Though i fully agree the cursing fight between Dante and Succubus was the worst scene in the game by miles.
Amazing video. I loved seeing all the ideas they had. The reboot DMC had so many different directions it could have went. I like all the extra art to for sure. I am playing all these games now on my channel so it was interesting to see some of my thoughts confimed as well as some new secrets
Pretty cool, didn't know about the co-op mod, that's actually kinda cool.
If only I had a friend with DMC5...
33:05 interestingly enough, when i was digging into the Xbox demo to scalp for extra moves for notes, i found the punchline. However it was designed _just like the garbura 0.2, the custom skin from the dlc_
The thumbnail was great, i really like it!
Wish Capcom had brought back Onimusha franchise as well...
I like to think that Dante was quiet in DMC 2 because Trish left to do her own thing and then he went into debt from all the pizza
I demand Devil May cry 6, Dante and Vergil fighting together as they did against Arkham
Waiting on that Online Bloody palace for DMC 6 and working Divergence
i just wish we got the dante from the first dmc reboot trailer ... i cry to this day about that
Everytime I see DMC 2 Dante, my first thought isn't DMC 2 but rather SMT 3 Nocturne FT. Dante
You've worked hard, thank you for making such a great video
Thanks a lot for this solid material!!! 👏👏👏 Keep doing great work💪
There needs to be a Divergence and infinite repeating magazine patch for 5:SE. Make it cost the sum total of you load out in red orbs for balance, that way we can exploit Nero's total tech on console. A remake of 2 sounds like a great project for Capcom.
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Co-op Bloody Palace!
The idea of DMC1's weapons being just different forms of the Force Edge/Sparda would've actually been pretty cool.
Also, i know DMC2 is hated......but damn, not even a mention of Lucia, not even in DMC5 which had a lot of references to the previous titles.
Since I didn't see it in here, Ladies Night: is that something else that was cut, or is that just a rumor conjured up by the fans?
A "wish it was in a game" thing taken out of context by the community and hyped up into a rumour
I remember playing dmc 1 for the first time
It was the demo included in the code veronica ps2 game
ngl the blood and bones for Phantom woulda made it feel darker, he coulda still used lava magic for intensity like as a Phase 2 powerup.
I’ve been playing the coop trainer with my fiancé lol. I didn’t know it was a thing until last week 😁😁😁
Let's not forget about a whole ass mechanic that was REMOVED from 5 but was present in the demo.
Being a fan of the series since the beginning was such ride.
Here's to many more years of new people joining the party and veterans sharing their stories.
is there a way where I can see those early cut scenes dmc2?
Hey, good question! While working on the video, we bought a lot of DMC media which we re-used for the video.
Our goal is to upload it and other materials we used to a separate "archive" channel so people can enjoy it in high resolution.
We will post the links either here on TH-cam community tab, or on our Twitter.
@@Cuhrayzee nice
i love dmc 5 so much but man that cut content would've made it even better