RESTORING Java Waxed Flesh using Birchees Birch Tar Conditioner and Wax!!!!
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To be honest, that before look of the boots was bloody awesome. Would not have conditioned if this was the result. Still, so long it works for you. Enjoy!
I thought so too!
Maybe just to keep the leather well conditioned and from cracking you just need to do this every so often. I'm sure it'll return back to it's worn in patina, and probably more striking the second or third time around.
Totally agree, the patina was awesome, just a clear coat for protection.
The folks at Horween say this about waxed flesh leather:
It needs very little attention for quite some time. Eventually a waxed base conditioner is best. Obenaufs HD LP conditioner, Huberds shoe grease and Sno-Seal are suggested. Oils are not suggested. Again, this is from the tannery.
they're absolutely correct, waxed flesh is treated so heavily they take forever to wear out! when the time comes to treat them, I agree traditional methods would work great. however I believe the birchees would be a superior treatment in terms of prepping them against harsh elements, as the birch tree tar offers a multitude of benefits beyond just conditioning the leather
Thanks man this helped alot.
@DalesLeatherworks can you explain some of the other benefits of birch tree tar vs traditional conditioner?
Amazing job! I luv the darker roughout tones
Seeing as I just got my Java’s I won’t need this right now, but thanks in advance for when I do. 🤩👌🏾
happy I could help brother!!!!
Very well done and thanks for the info. Regards and be well !
Leaving the ricks in the treads is a nice touch!
Ricks? Wtf are ricks? I’m pretty sure that I typed ricks.
Well, look at that!!!! My iPhone thinks that ROCKS isn’t a word.
I subscribed purely for the information given, not opinions but experience. I’ve got my first pair of White’s MP Service Boot c/t wax brown on the way. They will be replacing my vanguard’s and I’m hoping these are going to be my EDC Boots lol..thanks, keep I’ll definitely keep coming to you for the facts!
man thanks so much!!!!
Great video. Much appreciated. Cheers.
Boots looked great after treatment! I just ordered a pair of waxed flesh Falcons from Nicks Boots and have been looking for care suggestions. Do you still recommend these products after 2 years or have you moved to a different method?
Birchees Birch Tar Conditioner and Wax - always SOLD OUT.
I truly do appreciate your demonstration of that product but admittedly I’m torn because the patina in your before photos I really liked a lot. Additionally the swatches of neats foot and mink oil spoke volumes.
Good video though.
What do they look like 2 years later? Did they age similar to the original waxed flesh?
Cool product, seems to work well with the Java waxed flesh. Interested in seeing if it wears the same as the original boot.
thank you!!! yes I agree, it works very good on waxed flesh. it might even work better than the original wax!!
@@DalesLeatherworks Do you think you would use these products on the waxy moss mohawk?
@@slicksauce probably not on the Moss because it would darken them up a lot! Then again if they ever get to the point of being work boots, I’ll gladly use this on it!
Came for the Birchees, stayed for the mushroom talk. Now I'm high.
Awesome video as always but was wondering in video you said you purchased your Chaga tea from Canada is it from Annanda Chaga or myberryorganics which is from Maine???
Nice video. A lot of patina on those boots. Is that because of the fact that it is a Rough out leather? While you spoke about the IR Copper Rough & Tough, could you do a comparison video if possible? The neck on these ones are smaller and looks more appealing than the IR's.
yes! the patina is mostly due to the fact that these boots are roughout and they were worked seriously hard, oftentimes to the point that i didn't think they could ever look the same again lol!! i actually don't own any iron rangers in copper rough and tough, though i believe my RW moc toe workboots are a similar leather just with a pebble grain! it's true though the shaft on these java's are 6" i believe whereas the IR shaft is longer, maybe 7"
Great video. Do you think White's cinnamon waxed flesh could be treated similarly to remove some of the light brown scuffs and restore the cinnamon waxed color?
thank you! honestly the cinnamon waxed flesh is a medium brown whereas birchees is a dark brown with a utilitarian purpose. the birchees will darken up your cinnamon WF but if you use them as real boots and don't mind cosmetically darkening them then i'd say the birchees is good! if not, you can try venetian leather balm
Hey Aero. I love your videos. You always share great info to us shoe and boot freaks...I greatly appreciate everything you share with us. Btw my wife is starting to question how much are spending on my boots 😆 I never tell...My question is about the Chaga tea where do you buy yours and what brand? Thank you
hey man, thanks so much for your kind words!!! I get my chaga from amazon here: www.amazon.com/Mushroom-Premium-Chunks-Harvested-Servings/dp/B00GI6W83W/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=chaga+tea+chunks&qid=1615227927&sr=8-5
@@DalesLeatherworks thanks Brother 💪👍👍👍
@@wisaac6502 you got it!!! i love the stuff, we drink it everyday in our house :-)
@@DalesLeatherworks by the way Aero, I placed my order from Birchees.ca for leather conditioner on January 25 and I still haven’t received my order 8 weeks now ...how long did it take you to receive your conditioner from Birchees ? Thanks
Great video cheers
How did you get the rest of the original wax off?
Thx for the great vid's. I am about to buy my first pair of Truman's so thanks for the heads up. BTW: What Chaga do you buy?
thanks my friend!! this is the stuff I go for www.amazon.com/Mushroom-Premium-Chunks-Harvested-Servings/dp/B00GI6W83W/ref=sr_1_13?dchild=1&keywords=chaga&qid=1619720614&sr=8-13
They turned out awesome....miss the well worn look but can't deny end results thank you for sharing. Chaga tea? Hope I spelled right. I might have to try that.
You need to try Chaga my friend, it’s the queen of the medicinal mushrooms
Good video, but I kinda always feel sorry for good 500 dollars boots when someone beat them up around the house or for DIY construction. I have for that purpose 120 dollars timberlands which I use for about 5 years and they are just refusing to die lol
So, I ordered some out of curiosity. That said, does anybody know how to contact Birchees?!?!????
Great video, would you use this on straight rough out boots, I have whites smoke jumper brown rough out . Thanks
thanks!! yes any brown roughout this would be awesome on! just know that it serves more of a utilitarian purpose than an aesthetic purpose and the birchees will darken them up a lot!
Just curious, Will the leather be fine if treated with just the conditioner and not wax? and how long would that last? Great video 👍
Conditioner would nourish the leather, the wax is more of a surface coat/cosmetic addition!
I am about half way through this video and granted it may turn itself around in the drying process, but if I put that stuff on my beloved Crockett & Jones Molton’s and saw them turn from the luscious and beautiful coco brown they are to that greasy grey / black/ brownish color , I’d cast myself off the nearest cliff.
Nope..
Fantastic content 👌 👏 👍
Damn, they are sold out. Got any other recommendations?
Is Birchees still selling product? All products are "out of stock" online and their 'contact form' does not work on their website. No other contact information is available.
Hi! I know I'm a bit late on this video but does the birch tar also fades after wears the same as the waxed flesh?
if given enough time, yes the birch tar will fade some. but i actually expect it to hold up much more resiliently than the original waxed flesh did!
@@DalesLeatherworks thank you so much for replying!! And great videos man, keep it up! Would love classic/country sounds for your videos tho! Just a suggestion. :)
What is being applied at the beginning? I’m in the first minute, and don’t know what just went on boot number one.
Birchees conditioner! Told me on boot number two. It looks like thick paint.
What kind of wax do the tannery's use when they first make the waxed flesh?
good question, i have no idea!
Would you use this on a lighter leather if you are okay with them darkening up a bit? And sorry, did you say it had beeswax in it? Thinking it for the crazy horse fudge Jim Greens. Was thinking about just going with a beeswax product.
Yes as long as you’re ok with them darkening then absolutely it will be a great treatment
I honestly wouldn’t think to use it on Jim green because the leather doesn’t seem to be suited to Birchees . I’d probably stick to a standard Beeswax but then again if you’re going for longevity and not looks, the Birchees will be great
Sounds like a good product however Birchees website seems to be down have they closed down?
They are still open just hit a minor road bump I believe!
Is that a good year welt or Blake stitch?
That’s a stitchdown welt!!
Was planning to order the wax but it, and the conditioner, is out of stock with no indication of future availability...
4 months later, still OOS...
Is this boot simply a rough out suede boot ?
Yes
Is Birchees out of business now? Their website seems pretty much like a ghost town, and they don't respond to E-mails.
I thing they’re still getting everything worked out! Maybe check back in a few weeks!!
Would this technique work ok with the Grant Stone rough out leather?
It would yes!
@@DalesLeatherworks thanks! What about the Redwing Roughtout Hawthorne Chelsea’s?
Gimme a minute while I rub that stuff all over my body. Great vid!
thanks brother!!!! lmao you would smell like a human campfire if you did that X-D
Don't tempt me, David. Giving us all kinda ideas, sheesh!
@@georgecarlin2879 bahahahahhaha
Don’t light a match!
They look so different though eh?? But im sure as ya wear them the black tar will wear off
the tar will eventually wear down yes!
What's wrong with me? 3rd time rewatching this video!! :p
hahahahha, diagnosis: boot lover's disease!!!! :-D
@@DalesLeatherworks Haahahaha~!! I'm doomed!
I’m very interested in these products, however, the implication that the products that have been around for decades or more are bad for leather due to animal sourced ingredients seems far fetched.
Would buy in a second if it was available locally or on Amazon.. $14.99 + $15 shipping for the wax and I live in a state which borders Canada where it’s coming from 🤦♂️
Studies have shown that 90% of people interested in waxing suede boots also love techno beats.
Those boots looked nothing like that new, totally different color.
Those look closer to what they looked like new, so maybe those products were the right ones for these boots!
That said, I feel like when I watch your videos, that you have a tendency to just repeat whatever was spelled out in the literature or marketing materials from whatever company as if it were the gospel, but in cases where there aren't any regulations (boot products aren't regulated by the FDA, for instance), I think there are very few limitations as to the claims companies can make about their products. I would be very wary of whatever sorts of claims and of these companies make about their products.
Horween specifically recommends Venetian Shoe Cream to re-treat their waxed flesh leathers, as the mixture of waxes and oils is fairly close to what they use to finish the waxed flesh surface in the first place.
yessir and in speaking to Lorne, he told me that as far as birch tree tar goes, Birch tar oil is far from well known, so information on it has to be self gained through trial and error. He tested it extensively against many oils / conditioners / waxes for their performance, longevity, and ability to resist damage and repel water. The birch tar far outperformed everything he tested them against!
I agree, there are no limitations as to what can be claimed by companies in the industry and in some cases that is exploited. It is partially self regulated though as well, if a company makes claims that their product does not hold up to it usually will not take too long before that becomes public knowledge. Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot. In other cases products only partially do what they claim but are backed by tradition and pushed through by the masses simply because of that.
Lets take Neatsfoot oil as one example, which has a long history and much tradition behind it, commonly marketed as a leather restorer, rejuvenator, and water repellant. It works ok as a conditioner, but has next to 0 ability to repel water. 48 hours after application it has lost 100% of its ability to repel water. Not talked about is the fact that it does go rancid and in two different ways both oxidative and microbial rancidity which not only is bad for the leather but any stitching. This is true for all animal based products that I know of, some less than others.
Minks oil will do the same thing but slower due to the fact that it has antioxidants in it. Another popular on atsko sno-seal loses its ability to repel water after only 7 days, totally unexpected!
When I started developing and testing Birchees recipes the first thing I did once I had a good mix was start testing it against other products. I really wanted to bring something that was top notch to the table. I have tested extensively over the past year a wide variety of products and substances to see just how my recipes stacked up. What I quickly found is that in many cases things are not what they seem, products do not work as expected, or if they do they do not last nearly as long as what I expected.
You can use just about anything to soften leather, butter, olive oil, toilet seal wax, bear grease, olive oil, the list is staggering. But the effects on the leather are often misinterpreted, the leather is dry, or hard so it just means it is time to put more. When in fact this is actually damage to the leather.
I am putting together a somewhat extensive round of testing that will start this spring which should be pretty interesting. A large lineup of leather care products and "substances" will be tested over the course of a year, possibly longer. There will be may types of tests such as:
- How long they repel water for after application.
- Time to soak through
- If they can resist salt damage and for how long
- Oxidation in leather from air and light
- Rancidity testing
- Ability to resist bacteria, mold, and fungus
- PH
There is a few more but I cannot remember them off the top of my head, not sure either if I will be able to do them all as it is quite an undertaking and a few of them such as Rancidity testing will require help from a lab.
These tests will be kept simple as possible and well documented so anybody can reproduce most of them, and not all that scientific. Want to see how they resist mold, fungus, bacteria? Put them away damp from swamp water in a drybag, leave it in a dark corner and check it every few weeks, something like that. Not scientific but still should give a fairly good idea of how they all stack up. Should be fun!
@@DalesLeatherworks I like the fact that he critiqued you and you held dialogue opposed to censoring his post. Not that you were trying, but you earned a subscriber. Keep the great content coming!
@@SupraFreshZ so glad to hear this my friend and thank you for your great feedback!!!! Glad to have you among us!!!
Based on the ingredients, this stuff is worth a try.