The British expats in Spain facing an uncertain future under no-deal Brexit
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- British expats living in Spain have been urged to register before the 29th of March to make sure the Spanish authorities recognise their residency after the UK leaves the EU. But in the event of a no-deal Brexit, what then? (Subscribe: bit.ly/C4_News...)
Many of those who've retired abroad are facing unanswered questions about their rights to healthcare, freedom of movement and even their ability to keep pets.
We have been to Spain to speak to the Brits facing an uncertain future.
-------
Watch more of our explainer series here - www.youtube.co....
Get more news at our site - www.channel4.c...
Follow us:
Facebook - / channel4news
Twitter - / channel4news
Immigrants that don't speak the language and refuse to integrate - where have we heard that one before?
HAHAHA.. Funny isn't it
One rule for them...
Innit
Don't forget abusing the healthcare system.😂😂
from the ones that arrive in the Uk the Pakistanis etc etc!
As a Spaniard I want this English invasion to stop. They just care about the sun, not giving a damn about Spanish culture, Spanish language or whatever. You would go to some places in Costa del Sol, and realize you need to know English to interact, in your own country! That is why Brexit makes me happy (oh, and Magaluf as well)
Tbh I don't like the arrogance of some Brits and I should know I'm one of them, I'm going on holiday there in 2 and a half months to look at properties, property will be for holiday purposes for now and move later but I have already started my Spanish lessons in advance don't want to be a little Englander, if you want to move somewhere at least learn the language and the culture just rude not too, btw would you recommend Malaga or Valladolid
@@masnwrdl0511 ur waffling
They can move to Gibraltar and speak their own language.
The True Born Citizen Act will allow people born in EU with both parents born in EU to live and work. People from former EU state will no longer be able to live or work in EU.
@@MontyI Malaga if you want the beach lifestyle. Valladolid, hundreds of miles from a coastline, is probably cheaper and is far more historical. Also colder winters since you're deep inland, unlike Malaga, which faces the North African coast.
Unbelievable how Brits living in Spain voted to leave. Sums how they treat life in Spain, they form little Britans and enclaves and rarely integrate with the locals. No wonder they forget they are immigrants themselves
Same in Cyprus,all they do is slag the place off.
Don’t get your knickers in a twist, each to their own,
Put it this way, if I lived in Spain or anywhere in Europe than I would at least make an effort and mix with the people and try to learn the language. These people just can't be bothered
@@longreachkirk9765 then you would understand ethnic minority life in the UK
@@graemefarquharson465 because Brits sre sexy looking people thats why.
LoL .... voted to leave but he wants to keep the free movement access across Europe.... was he a joke ?
Not really lots of people want to be out the trade block but keep freedom of movement. Some people want the opposite and some people want Niether.
No, just another arrogant hypocrit brit.
Dave thinks he lives in Victorian times when Britain was an empire and he demands to be treated without obstacles and barriers.
Just a dumb dumb
Big thing for the economy.... the British?? Most of them are no- registrados, a burden for the sistema de salud and the taxpayer. At least they should show some respect to the host country, learning the language....
@Tim Donovan But you dont speak Spanish and you sound extremely silly, dear Tim. Very common among the little englanders... Must be genetic (Tiny island, Tiny Genepool) lightningsoul.com/media/img/fun/england_tiny_gene_pool.jpg
@@cedronar that's brutal, I love you
@Julia A British people tend to live in ghettos. They do not get integrated and they dont learn the local language. It seems they dont have the brains or the education or both. I say both
I agree. If you stay in a country for more than a year you damn well better show some effort to learn the language. That is just common decency.
I lived in menorca and learnt BOTH langs. Hi ha un montón, potser com ya saps, de "guiris" del península qui no aprenen cap paraula de Menorquí!!
They are not expats, they are immigrants. Unless the term is also extended to Polish, Greek, Spanish people residing in the UK. But it never is. Non Anglo Saxons are always referred to as immigrants. The very term "ex pat" is exclusive and exceptional, like the attitude of Dave in this report who bought a holiday home in Spain but voted Leave, assuming HIS Freedom of movement wouldn't be affected.
its a term used in house... twist it as you may.
@Pazusky Like a nation within a nation, perhaps.
@@britnic5394 its a term invented in the old empire mate. these are immigrants.
@@billpugh58 Exactly. I guess it's the empirical mentality.
Tax avoiders is one word that describes them
I have heard British immigrants complain about immigration in the UK - while living in Spain, not speaking the language and creating entire towns full of British immigrants. The vote to leave the EU then are shocked when they can no longer reap the benefits of living in the EU. You can't make it up
Big hypocrites
There are no net benefits of living in the EU, there are only huge costs, this is why people voted to leave. The EU is finished
@@rareads LOL. keep that meme in your mind. we talk again in 10 years :D
Perhaps the person who complains about emigration is not the same person who lives in Spain. Have you thought about?
But not religeous and cultural ghettos brits tend to be live and let live types Spain could have a lot worse intolerant people me thinks
"It's for the Spanish government to explain how they would intend to protect the rights of British nationals in Spain". WTFF?
It's YOUR citizens, YOUR problem, not ours.
“Fog In Channel, Continent Cut Off”
It's hard to break down the mentality of empire!
Exactly, how is this any different to Easter Europeans coming to the use the NHS. The hypocrisy is mind blowing!
@Massive Sigh what are you babbling about? Take responsibility for your racist Brexit and don't try and twist it on me!
I technically agree, but it is actually down to Spain. They need to negotiate with the British government. Healthcare arrangements with non EU members are a matter of the individual countries and won't be negotiated with the EU.
Spain is not paying for the medicine of these british inmigrants. UK voted to leave, its their duty to pay its cost not Spain's.
Correct and it works the other way as well.
I'm sure there were plenty of Spaniards that detested having to pay the healthcare of immigrants who wouldn't assimilate but grinned and bared it because it was an EU requirement. The English are like people who file for divorce but think they can continue doing all the things they liked in the marriage while refusing all the things they didn't. Nope. You divorce then that's it.
The arrogance of these people is revolting to most of us, but it will be their downfall. We are not immigrants, but expats, we are too valuable to Spain to have to suffer any inconveniences or hardships. We do not have to learn the language of this country, but we get all fired up about someone from Poland moving to London who works with a mild accent. Baby boomer + anglo arrogance is a horrible combination.
Not all baby boomers are pro-Brexit. A lot of them are the most anti-Brexit people you’ll ever find on this planet.
@@Mike-jv9cl Yes Mike, I agree with your opinion on this. Most of the people I know are over 60+ and nearly all of them (about 90% I guess), did not vote for Brexit and were strongly against it. However, it should be said that these people I refer to are both casual or close acquaintances I've known for decades - and they are all Scottish folk, and Scotland as you know, comprehensively voted against Brexit at all levels, and at all ages - despite their usual party/political affiliations.
@@tomaddie1969 hmm many baby boomers remember what took us into then common market in the first place but they must have benign forgetfulness.
Ted Heath took us in 73 WITHOUT a vote as he was concerned that he might not get the answer he wanted because there was so much scepticism. De Gaulle was totally against the uk joining. The 1975 referendum asked us if we wanted to stay in the common market. We were assured it was for trade only. This was my very first vote and I took it very seriously but voted yes. Heath admitted to this deception shortly before he died and successive uk governments perpetuated the lie. There are government documents that confirm this.
The main reason that brexit is a complete horlicks is that David Cameron told the civil service NOT TO BOTHER planing for a leave vote as remain would win the day. In the meantime the civil service were happy to let the eu do the work and take the blame when things went wrong. But also meant they lost their skills and the competence.
And just look where all that has got us. It beggars belief that David Cameron is not back in office and unelected, but also that people called people that voted leave ‘uneducated’. You only had to watch different channels from around the world to realise that there was a distinct possibility that brexit might win!
Wow, "Feel sorry for me I voted Brexit and have a holiday home in Spain." No sympathy for idiots that have self harmed and want special rules for themselves.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I know someone who happily voted leave, he then had the idea that he wanted to move to Spain and open a business. He was shocked that due to brexit he would probably have to get a visa and would be unlikely to get one. This says it all. Stop the immigrants coming into our country but expect to be allowed to move to another country
"When it happens to you, you'll know it's true." - Russian saying, spoken in Russia
"That's just Project Fear" - Russian saying posted under false names on British media
Well that sums up the intelligence of your average right wing gammon
The Spanish government will treat them in the exact same way the british government will treat Spanish citizens. How is that difficult to understand?
To know how they'll treat each other there must be a treaty in place. No treaty, no coverage.
Not really. There are at least 3 times more British immigrants in Spain than Spanish immigrants in the UK. And those are public numbers, but in reality there are far more non registered, making use of that terrible terrible awful freedom of movement. Most of the British immigrants in Spain and other members are pensioners and therefore require a lot of medical attention, whilst most of the Spanish immigrants in the UK are young and working, tax payers and therefore with direct right to the NHS, not through a treaty. Equally, those British immigrants working in Spain are already paying their own access, it is only self employed people the ones with a problem in most countries. The British pensioners cannot afford private health insurance (and in most cases they don't qualify anyway), so the UK will have to pay for their expenses. No worries, the Spanish are already paying for their own access to the worse British NHS, so they do not really need to cover all those elderly people's expenses. Spain has loads of pensioners itself and that alone is an issue, they don't want to pay for more. Very few EU citizens go to the UK for their elderly years, so the numbers and requirements are completely different between working and pensioner immigrants.
@@rollosinternet1853 LOL I dont think you will be finding many Brits using Spains National Health Service. They've all got BUPA
Rollos Internet we still have one of the best heal services In Europe.
Rollos Internet I believe older expat/immigrants will have to remain in the UK.
Why should it be Europe's fault when The British voted out .
England voted out,Scots,Welsh and Irish voted remain.
@@paulritchie5868 I am sorry to correct you but The decision by the electorate was to "Leave the European Union" which won by a majority of 1,269,501 votes (3.78%) over those who had voted in favour of "Remain a member of the European Union", with England and Wales voting to "Leave" while Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to "Remain".
So in your eyes Britain isn't in Europe?
Could someone explain me how foreign pensioner Brits are better for Spanish economy than european workers in Britain? In details please! :)
Well, you see, there has recently been a scientific break-through that would enable Spanish energy suppliers to convert ignorance and hypocrisy into electricity, and just a single Brexiter is enough to provide a constant 2 Mega-Watts of power.
@@antred11 😂🤣😂
@@antred11 Also British hot air talk can be converted into natural gas.
Anyone, anyone…crickets.😅
I'm from Denmark. and i know a lot of people that won't go to Costa del sol. because of the many brits.
As a spanish, I prefer from large danes than brits....... I love denmark!!!
@Aitana Torres como lo sabes?
@Aitana Torres y finlandesa tb.... Sobre todo en fuengirola
Para serte sincero, a mi los brits es que no me gustan.... Son un turismo de baja calidad que perpetúa la economía en la basura....
@Aitana Torres totalmente de acuerdo, lo de magaluf no tiene nombre y que españa sea el asilo del Reino Unido menos todavia.
@@James-jl4jt who you mean?
I keep watching this over and over again and can't stop laughing!
Me too 😅😅😅
😂😂😂😂😂
4:30 Spanish government’s responsibility to protect the rights of UK immigrants because they voted to revoked their rights as EU citizens? How entitled are they?
Well, nothing less than the ambassador of the United Kingdom says so.
"We feel abandoned" . . . well they abandoned the United Kingdom yet expect to have the toffee and the ha'penny as well. I wonder how many of them even speak the language of the country they preferred over their homeland.
There will be enormous shock all around when the “they need us more than we need them” brigade are shown to be wrong!
It’s coming true and COVID sped it up. The oldest of the voters in the UK basically ruined the future for the youngest in the UK. They are so insulated that they don’t realise how unimportant they are, but they live off the war victories of their parents.
First vote leave EU then buy urself home under the shining sun of EU! What the %#&£&%!!? Is Wrong with Britons
they are selfish ar##holes
Another who cannot differentiate the EU from Europe. Let me help you; EU - a political union, Europe - a continent. We voted to leave a political union, not to leave Europe. Hope that helps!
@@concerned_englander3713
You can call Europe "EU" as much as you can call America the "USA."
You call yourselves british, but britain is an island which doesn't include Northen Ireland.
You're welcome.
They are insane, there isn't another term to describe it!
@@ChristianIce Regardless, we voted to leave the EU. A political body. No point arguing over semantics. Anyway, looks like you all have a hatred of Brits. You won't be missing us then or our contributions to the failing EU project... Bye.
I already imagine them applying for spanish citizenship:
"Yes, I've been living for 20 years and I don't know a word in spanish, of course! Why should I mingle with the spaniards?". We're living interesting times where a lot of people will have to look into the mirror and deal with what they see.
I’m afraid they are too old to learn… They keep blaming others for their misery…
@@MrMaarten1969I know several who moved to Spain in the 1970's and 1980's, and they will proudly tell you 'I don't speak Spanish they want my trade they can learn fucking English!' That is how arrogant and ignorant they are.
"Ex-Pats"? They are migrants.
economic migrants too they went there mostly for low cost of living if they didn't apply to become Spanish its clear where there loyalties are they should know where to go
Why should a EU-country protect non-EU-citizens?
It is not compulsory. These things are subject to bilateral and multilateral agreements.
@Artur Markowski As the brexiteers Brits would say, "Out means out", mate
finally the Brit-infested beaches of southern Portugal /Spain will be free to be enjoyed by the actual locals
Can't wait
Better looking locals I might add
But Brits are sexy looking people and you offended by their looks, shame on you.
04:58 "i don't think Spanish will turn English away because they're quite a big thing for their economy". Hahaha, Polish expats in Britain are also a big thing for the economy of UK, that was not enough for gammons. And in Spain most of the British migrants are pensioners costing a lot in healthcare, while in UK the poles and other EU expats are hard working healthy and young people. I do not think that anybody in the EU never came to retire in the UK for the weather.
If each UK national living in Spain spends 250 euros per week - that's 13 million euros each year for every thousand UK nationals. This money is UK pounds injected into the Spanish economy. It creates many jobs for Spanish people. UK pensioners do not take jobs from locals and the UK government pays for healthcare provided by Spain. Countries like Poland have not been paying the healthcare costs of their nationals in the UK.
@@IazzaboyceYou're missing something. Spanish pensioners pay no tax - Polish workers in the UK do. There are not enough brickies, electricians, carpenters, plumbers etc. in the UK to meet demand so Polish tradespeople are not 'taking' anyone's job. They are a net benefit to the economy. Here are some facts: www.constructionmanagermagazine.com/news/bricklayers-and-carpenters-short-supply-says-fmb/
Current UK weekly pension is around £155. Most of these immigrant pensioners don't have huge savings after buying their homes in Spain.
How is it they have £250 to spend each week exactly?
Note: If they're rug dealing they should be deported
The weather AND food. Disgusting.
@@Iazzaboyce Why do most people think that they're all old retired people that only come here to spend? I grew up in the Costa del Sol and have met hundreds of working brits, like anyone else, some in the Real Estate business or as big executives but some as waiters, plumbers, gardners, in shops, etc.
4:59 British arrogance? There you have it. Nobody wanted brexit in europe or Spain in the firt place. But saying that in Spain we give a damn about this retirees if their country chose the no deal scenario is the paramount peak of ignorant arrogance. (Forgive my english)
Whether you like it or not, It's called democracy mate. Something of a alien concept in your second world country (it's not that long since Francoist Spain). The reality is slowly starting to dawn on the French & Germans that it is they that will have prop up and subsidise Spain, Ireland, Portugal, Greece et al. Once the UK free's itself of the shackles of the EUSSR. No deal is the best deal. You can not negotiate with one arm tied behind ones back.
@@wangdangdoodie "Something of a alien concept in your second world country" Ok then. Definitely better without people like you.
Héctor Jiménez, don’t be troubled by mascara snake. He still uses the old British notion of democracy, i.e. the British decide an the world has to follow. That version of democracy is also known as imperialism.
nikolaus-thats it-now your talking!-british imperialism-looking from afar i always thought of that little island race as the very best that this world has to offer-and so i have been proved right-what a noble sight the englishman is-what a proud man-and the way that little island ruled the world is just splendid-oh to be in england in the rainy season eating tea and muffins with the queen-ah wonderful!.
@@wangdangdoodie Another one still fighting the Second World War!
They immigrants, not expats.
I totally agree
No their idiots
In order to qualify as an expat, you must live in a former British colony, eg India or Australia etc. they live in Spain so they are immigrants.
Gibraltar
Even in India they'd be immigrants. The world doesnt play by British rules and the empire is far gone, no need to call them "expats" at all. Some Brits are going to get a harsh reality check and it will be funny to see.
They're colonials. Not expats. British citizens living in a British colony are colonials.
"We are too valuable for the Spanish economy"... ¿De verdad? No pagan Seguridad Social, cargan los servicios sociales, apenas pagan impuestos (porque la Renta sobre las pensiones es ínfima), prácticamente solo consumen alquiler, bebida y comida... ¿En qué mundo viven? ¿Quién les ha engañado y les ha dicho que son valiosos para nuestra economía? Son una carga. Una carga arrogante para mas señas. Una carga arrogante y lerda, si además han votado Leave.
De verdad, antes que inmigrantes como estos que vienen a chupar del bote prefiero que venga gente joven de cualquier otro país con ganas de trabajar y que contribuyan al sistema.
Es exactamente así y los alemanes igual. En un gran geriátrico están convirtiendo España.
XD
Son ingleses....tipicos...apuesto a que el gobierno español los sigue amamantando mientras el britanico se olvida de ellos, y aún así seguiran creyendo que les devemos un favor....lo dicho....ingleses
We are too valuable for the Spanish economy" ... Really? They do not pay Social Security, they load the social services, they hardly pay taxes (because the Income on the pensions is tiny), they practically only consume rent, drink and food ... In what world do they live? Who has cheated them and told them that they are valuable to our economy? They are a burden. An arrogant charge for more. An arrogant and slow charge, if they have also voted Leave.
Really, before immigrants like these who come to suck from the boat I prefer that young people come from any other country wanting to work and contribute to the system.
Piran Tanner unos pocos errores traducción
Well who'd a thought voting to leave the EU might affect their lives in Europe?
It's funny how the English always say that we need them, I prefer my fishing village than retired Europeans.
then take your own back
And houses and prices will be better for Spaniards again, that's right, I agree with you
We prefer your fishing village to some stupid xenophobe judging everyone with a head full of prejudice. Go and catch what you can but we will take it from you, we are the law mf stand back your village will be ours.
Please can I live in your fishing village. I promise to learn Spanish and to intigrate into the Spanish way of life. In fact I would be happy to be the only Brit in the village :) I am a fish lover :)
L Mac If you come to spain with that attitude you will be treated fine, of course there are some morons but...
Ironic they are complaining about foreigners not learning english and yet have the audacity to complain about no one speaking english in spain
Not fair, I only voted to ruin other peoples lives, not my own!
been in spain over 10 years.
how much spanish do they speak???????
none
I am an immigrant in the USA and we have no help from the British Gov and rightly so..no one made us move country.. you move country only to live with other Brits and not the natives..and then moan you had to leave the UK because to many immigrants live together..people put your big boy pants on and work it out for yourselves..or just go home..🤔🤔🤔🤔
Have to agree. Mostly all anglo countries have this mentality of calling others immigrants and themselves expats
@purplepeach 244 true
@@VallanoMedia801 not the Irish
not quite right. It is easier for an American to get a work permit in Britain than vice versa
It's amazing how Brits always believe they are soooooo important. I really hope there's no deal and no UK leaving, but if it happens eventually, why would we have to keep you in Spain? Would we be able to move to the UK?
We can go where we fucking want, beat your armada and will beat you anywhere else
@@niallfoley6711 Of course youre still living in the past. Someones going to get butthurt once reality kicks in, I wish to be there to laugh at you.
If we're being petty, why should Spanish government to be the one to provide protection and security when it was the UK government and citizens who proudly shouted how they do not need EU (and thus Spain as well)?
Typical gamon would tell You that: because they need us more than we need them, we have money! 🤣
what I don't understand is why did they not ask for the Spanish nationality when they came to live permanently in Spain , they obviously wanted the best of both worlds , also learn to integrate . These people resemble quite a few English people here in France who do not learn French , who order English food online , in some parts of the Dordogne quite a fewshops are have only English foodstuff , books , newspapers also they have actually published a newspaper sold all over France for the expats filled with adverts for English plumbers , shops, electrician , furniture removers, lawyer 's . I really don't think that is integration do you ??
Brits complain about immigrants not integrating into their communities in the UK, but they live abroad in British-only communities. Even when on holidays, they look for other Brits to party with. The empire days really messed up with their heads.
@Albert Pike "British people don't live abroad they live in Britain"...that makes a lot of sense in the context of this video.
Albert Pike 5.5 million British immigrant live outside the UK!
Albert Pike, your reasoning and argumentation make no sense. Those Brits in Spain are immigrants. UNDERSTAND NOW? Those older ones seem clannish and certainly don't want to learn Spanish. They prefer their own self imposed cultural ghettos. Hmm, sounds like the immigrants that they so hate at home!!
@@careydepass130 Isn't that called projection in psychology? They blame on the others what they refuse to see in the mirror.
Well said!!!!
The people who voted for leave want to stay. Why not? After all they're from the magical land of unicorns where anything can happen if you just wish hard enough. 😂
time for your medication ophelia your getting very confused and talking b shite
As usual, despite the vitriol, people seem quite bereft of any logical reasons to remain apart from fear.
Ophelia Bawles morons, the lot! 😂
They probably think that immigration controls don't apply to them because "we are British".
@@sixmagpies There is no logical reason to leave. Fear has been replaced by reality.
Ice cubes in wine glasses. How more British can this woman be?
EK X it’s the basis of a very sophisticated cocktail - you should try it before knocking it
EK X 😂
You mean the lady who voted Brexit before realising that means Britons leaving Spain? I think we've established that brains are not her strong point.
@@pr4442 or looks
Drive them to Calais, shove them on a dinghy and have Farage greet them at the white cliffs.
😂
The shock and horror when you discover you're not an expat but just an immigrant 😅
Send them all back I would prefer they were spending there pension where it came from,
So that last gentleman wants 'freedom of moment for the proper European' does he? Riiiight...
For the first time in my life, when the UK voted to leave the EU and to reject this developing brotherhood of nations, I felt deeply ashamed to be British. I despise what that vote said about us as a nation, and I no longer feel any sense of kinship or belonging to this country.
One small but sad thing (amongst the vast number of tragedies that this decision will cause) is that I wont even get to gloat. When all the expert predictions of economic hardship come true over the next 10 years, the brexiters will claim that the continuing austerity and economic disasters are happening because the brexit wasn't hard enough, or wasn't soft enough, or because it was messed up by treacherous remainer politicians. They will never see the depth of their folly.
And as for this mythical right to self determination? Well I lived through Thatcher, and I would trust the EU to make laws for this country before I would trust any elected British politician.
The EU politicians may arguably be as corrupt and self serving as ours, but at least they are half competent.
This band of elderly turkeys who voted enthusiastically for Christmas are only the tiniest tip of the iceberg that the good ship UK is now steaming towards.
Then you should have more respect for yourself, instead of being a traitor to your own country.
Yes Mr Starr, I'm a filthy, Europe-loving traitor. I should probably be jailed, shouldn't I?
And perhaps you could arrange for a glorious flypast of Spitfires whilst all the traitors are being sentenced, after the shores of dear old Blighty are made safe from foreign invaders.
God help us, because people like you will surely be our doom.
Being a Socialist, I had no choice but to vote out. You say you'd trust the EU before any British politician. I lived through Thatcher and watched as she systematically destroyed the unions, especially in the Coal Industry. The EU didn't step in to save them. And as for your dire economic predictions - look around you. There are people in the North East starving already, food banks, homeless etc. - 'Tory Policies' certainly, but I haven't noticed the EU stepping in.
@@dotcomx7699 For me personally, the issue of Brexit overrides my politically left leanings, because I believe the numerous credible economic experts who are predicting that the economic and social damage that will result from Brexit over the next decade will be huge. It seems that for the working classes the Brexit damage will be almost as bad as the damage done by Thatcher. I couldnt vote for something which was so economically destructive to the people of this country- regardless of the political ideologies involved. It was simple question of prosperity versus poverty, for the working classes at least. The bitter fruits of Brexit will be harvested over a decade of misery.
on your point about the EU not stepping in back in the 80s to restrain Thatchers more extreme and damaging policies, remember that EU employment legislation (such as it was back then) was not being breached by Thatcher, so there were no grounds for the EU to 'step in', and no legal basis.
Apologies if I am misunderstanding, but it sounds as if you voted to leave the EU as a sort of revenge vote for the lack of EU action 30 years ago, in a situation where they had no actual power to intervene?
Tony C I voted leave because I don't like to see the exploitation of the Eastern Europeans doing the menial jobs that used to have Union Protection in the '60s and '70s. I'm from an ex mining community. Where the pit once stood there is a 'Sports Direct' warehouse which employs only Polish/Romanian workers. The local people are willing to work but for some reason, they don't get set on (maybe it's because £7 a hour and zero hour contracts don't sit well with them!) Why would Sports Direct employ them when they can ship in cheap labour from Europe? What does the EU do to protect the labour force from such exploitation?
Our people are not racists. Our people, especially the older ones, cannot understand why their children have been thrown on the scrap heap before they leave school. I was born and educated there, then university and went back to teach in my old secondary school. Such social mobility is not open to their children. I personally, have witnessed opportunities dwindle for the working class since my childhood in the sixties.
We have been let down by both the Labour Party and the TUC. As far as my community is concerned the EU has done nothing for them except stretch their resources with the influx of 'foreigners' without providing any benefit. Indeed, there was no infrastructure provided for the newcomers. Not many of the local young men and women see any opportunities to work in Europe. There is a hopelessness about them - some have turned to drugs. Many of the girls are pushing prams before they're twenty. The food banks are busy and 'payday loan' companies are flourishing.
As their teacher, it's this lack of hope that's distressing. This 'we're better together in Europe' is meaningless to them and their bewildered parents, who must wonder what went wrong. You talk of 'economic destruction' caused by leaving EU, it can't get much worse without recourse to some sort of mass revolution. Incidentally, I voted against joining in 1975 - butter mountains, wine lakes etc. when there were people starving didn't seem right. Forty years later, I cannot believe how embroiled we actually became.
Despite the popularity of our MP, Dennis Skinner, my biggest fear is that our Politicians are creating a right wing Monster Party with their petty squabbles and breathtaking incompetence (85% of MPs voted for a referendum without a clue what would happen if the people voted leave) The Brexit vote has revealed what a fractured land we are. I could've never imagined myself standing on the same platform as Rees Mogg and that odious Farage . The social damage, you speak of, has already been done. My only concern is the uniting force that the people are waiting to rally round won't be wearing jackboots. Thank you for the exchange.
Thé woman saying the Spanish gov and Spain economy need the Brits so much that they will do all they can to have them stay in. Reaaaaaalllyyy? Wait in the queue Darling and be silent.
Why do Brits call British immigrants in Europe the 'UK expats', while calling European expats in UK 'European immigrants' ?
Most in the younger generation don't. IMO it's a colonalism hangover. See how they're all saying how much Spain needs them? Spain doesn't need old, unwell immigrants.
@@nicci24 agree 100 %
I’m English and I have very little sympathy for people who left the UK in a quest for better weather in Spain, then complain that those they left behind didn’t share their view of the EU and unlimited freedom of movement. Also, I would expect to become fluent in the native language of the country I had settled in, whilst still keeping English identity, as it never looks good to create communities which can seem separate to the larger, host nation. When I visit France, I speak French in public spaces, when in Germany I speak German. It’s not too hard to learn enough of a language to get by. As for the couple who seem restricted by the needs of a pet dog .... words fail me!🤪🤪🤪
Let me give my personal experience. We lived in Spain for 6 years. Because of the lower tax rates we could afford the £25 a month 'Previasa' health insurance (BUPA equivalent). The level of service is sadly 100 times better than the NHS. No waiting, quality medical help 24/7. Our daughter was born there in Marriot Hotel surroundings and never one word of negativity. Oh and yes, we were immigrants into their Country and respected their beliefs. We learned the language,. set up a business and employed purely Spanish. We came back to the UK to look after my wife's mother who sadly passed away. We are returning back to Spain this year and laugh at these Channel 4/BBC News reports. Sadly millions will believe them. England IS a Third World Country. The sooner people get out and experience the World the sooner they will realise what a beautiful Country the UK was and how it's turned into a shanty town...
Lol expats. They are immigrants
Also, making a village/ neighborhood of only English immigrants should also be criticised. They should integrate into Spanish society. I wonder how many of them actually speak Spanish
None of them. They have their own pubs, pharmacies, doctors... never mix with the locals or do anything for our economy. They live in ghettos.
@@g.garcia106 if you live in Spain then you should learn to speak Spanish and mix i love the lifestyle im from the uk but i love the culture and traditions not brit bars evry where but tapas bars instead
None probably you the Spanish, French, Portuguese etc should of course speak English
A lot of Brit's have been living under the radar, these Brit's rushing for residency why if they have been living in Spain for years.
To avoid paying Spanish income tax, they have not paid tax in the UK nor in Spain that is the reason they never applied for residency. if you live in a country for 183 days a year you are due to pay tax in that country, at the rate set by that country. Hence now the 90 day rule, maximum you time in Spain 180 days a year, it just closed the tax loophole.
How many pensioner are claiming UK income support, by having a postal address in the UK at which they allegedly live in, hence not applied for residency.
Sorry you can't kid me meet too many Brits living in Spain supported by UK welfare. Not being nasty, but honest they delight in telling you the wrinkles after a few beers, including claiming housing benefit, then rent it out to a family member with social picking up the bill along with the council tax.
How after a vote in 2016 to leave the EU, have these people done nothing? could be some of the above reasons, milk the system in both countries.
I live in the UK now, but have lived in Spain, several year, i have residency in Spain and paid income tax in Spain when i lived their, no problem with health care, why because i had a fiscal record. I contributed to the country i lived in, and the system to keep that countries health care going.
Europeans in Uk are INMIGRANTS but when the British emigrate... they are Expats...
By believing you are too valuable to the Spanish economy contradicts the reasons for voting leave. Besides the vacuum left by Brits would be filled by another demographic population anyway. Real estate abhors a vacuum.
There we were thinking it would just be foreign 'immigrants' not our 'ex-pats' that would be losing their rights.
This says it all, by the way. British people elsewhere are 'ex-pats', others coming here are immigrants.
The arrogance and hubris are astonishing. Something that has endured from the time of the British Empire, meanwhile that Empire is gone.
Here's hoping we find our place in the world whatever happens. It'll take some humility.
I moved to a small village in Costa Rica amazing how easy you learn the language when nobody speaks english.
Those British are retired, they don't help in the Spanish economy . Spanish immigration should force them to get an Spanish level exam (to know the language) like any other non English speakers we have to do every time we try to work in any Commonwealth country. Retired people doesn't offer anything to any country.
They are retired not on spanish pension but on a british pension so they consume spanish goods, pay spanish property tax and national and local taxes. They cost spain nothing, spain gains from them remember that
@@voice.of.reason A simple tourist spend 160€ per day. A expat not more than 10€ per day. (10€ per day x 30 days = 3000€ per month)
Tourists do not consume medical or other resources of the country. Expatriates yes.
Even workers from other countries contribute more with their taxes that take away from their salaries for the pensions of the elderly.
It's just an explanation. I do not think that this is why Spain has to treat them worse. Health in Spain It is free and Universal. Nobody will ever be left without treatment.
Oooh, living In Spain for 20 years and don’t integrate but want all the perks……
X pat's! British immigrants lol
Massive Sigh funny how your fussy with words when they are British but not when they are EU citizens!
@Massive Sigh immigrants to Spain
jose bello Expatriates to the UK immigrants to Spain. No more complicated than that, its just ignorance when people think expat means something other than a person living outside their country, and the word immigrant has negative connotations.
Dave so how come I never hear British people describing foreign nationals living in the UK as ex pat's?
Dave no they are not expats! There emigrants !
""we feel abandoned" ? no, you already left and abandoned the uk. you want your cake and eat it. doh!
God this is funny ! 😂😂😂
It's simple, become a Citizen in the country you want to live in because YOU are an immigrant, not rocket science is it, learn the lingo and pay your taxes and health care, simples.
05:05 is the most amazing part. Dave votes 'leave', then gets a rude awakening when he is the one who has to leave. smh.
4:27 That's the most incredible ludicrous hubris I've seen yet. Fair play to him for beating tough competition.
No such thing as EXPATS. They are British immigrants who went to live in Spain... All good things come to an end....
I always found it both amusing and interesting how they refer to themselves as "expats" when they are clearly immigrants.
They are NOT ‘ex-pats’ they are British immigrants! Period.
Not expats. Immigrants.
How are UK pensioners valuable to the Spanish economy?
If you can't see how then you are thick
Look up,how much they pump into the spanish tourism
Because they help us with their magnificent presence. We should be thankfull to them. We can even pay for their healthcare burdens.
@@helloMRdj1 they pay themselves, with private insurance
They spend money on furnishing homes. Pay more than enough towards Government taxes. Keep Banks afloat with exorbitant charges. Buy properties, not expecting free housing.
Keep airlines afloat with travelling to and from Spain spend money at airports.
Use car hire rental at a cost. Use taxies
Listen to that lovely british lady”I dont think spanish will turn the british away,because we are a big thing to their economy”
Ma’m let me tell you,the young hardworking spanish immigrants in the uk pay taxes,dont abuse the healthcare system,and make an effort to learn the language spoken by natives,please check yourself and see if you all do the same while you are in spain as an immigrant.
Become a permanent citizen, you shouldn't expect to eat your cake and keep it!
Did they learned Spanish yet? Did they integrated in Spanish society? No? Maybe they should be deported?
Wasn't there the idea to establish a point-based system to decide who can get to live and work in the UK? I would assume age, education, speaking the language, not burdening the health or social system, actively participating in the economy and paying taxes will feature highly. Wondering how the majority of British immigrants in Spain would fare?
Well said.👍🏻
We are retired in Tenerife. Moved here in our 50s and took out private medical insurance. It is called planning for the future not hoping for the best. We are permanent residents and have paid our taxes here we don’t have anything in the UK. We speak Spanish and are integrated. Brexit was always going to separate interests. You cant leave the club and have member benefits. Not sorry for these people at all.
I do agree. But again, the result was 51-48. In the margin of error, basically. Too close to take a decision either way. It should have at least 7 points of different to be right. Anyway, the past.
Good for you.
I love all these comments. The truth is that it is lucky for the Spaniards, that they are going to be free of all the British rabble that visit them or live among them. Drunks throwing themselves off the balconies and the most select of the plebs, rude and disrespectful, doing what they dare not do in their own country.
Expats? Do you mean immigrants!!!!
Those 'leather-skins' have had it too good, for too long.
Expats? You mean immigrants
"In a no deal scenario it's up to the Spanish government to protect the rights of British citizens." Coming from the British government? Really? Then what's the point in being a British citizen, if it's up to the Spanish government to protect their rights.
You should have asked them how they stay informed on UK news. I bet 2p they are all on Facebook.
Expats. They are immigrants, probably economic migrants. The term expat is quite loaded. The Afghans over here are just Afghan expats then....
Ex pat Brits? You mean immigrant Brits, surely?
I don't see any assimilation with the Spanish people, they seem to be congregating with eachother. I wonder how many Brits have bothered to learn Spanish?
Proper European comment says it all really,
I thought exactly the same. We should deport him and block him so he never can come back. Flipping racist little englander.
They’ve moved so why should we keep them? Become Spanish or come home!
immigrants not expats
The bloke living in Spain who voted for Brexit. Genius.
Expats? Just immigrants
Expats? Cow pats more like! 💩
Someone leaves the UK goes to Spain and opens a British bar - Ex Pat, putting money into the Spanish economy!
Someone leaves Poland goes to UK and opens a Polish shop - Immigrant, taking away business to hard working Brits!
You want to live in Spain, then become Spanish.
still this attitude of the EU needs us more than we need them.
@joe caterman except companies are relocating from the UK to the EU whereas no eu companies are relocating to the UK.
@@DeanRTaylor Thats true just got letter from toyota car insurance they moving main office to luxemburg and setup only small office in UK this is just one company and will be thousands of them
@Dr Downtime because the huge tax breaks are on the money they earn using the current setup that the UK exists as a member of the EU regardless of your opinions on what should happen on the 30th, the fact we don't know at this late stage is enough for some businesses such as airbus, nissan, bmw, toyota, farage and his children, dyson and jacob reese moggs investment company to all make plans to setup in countries that are either in the eu, have deals with the EU or at the minimum know what the rules look like for the forseeable future. Please search airbus CEO on youtube and watch the related video. I look forward to your reply and also one example of a company that is setting up in the UK explicitly saying brexit is the reason for the investment.
Newspaper and politicians using the EU as a whipping boy because their too afraid of the British people to tell them they agree with 95% of what the EU proposes. They frame everything like 'poor UK, we just have to do what the EU tell us' and ' how dare the Germans tell us wot to do' because they use ww2 dog whistles all the time.
I'm sure the Spanish love the English using their country as a hospice.
Good point!
@@jtbfii 😂
Why do they not ALL go live in beautiful Gibralter
Obviously they have the same rights as eu citizens in UK.
Plus they get their winter heating payments and come back to use the NHS,
When they get tooo olde they come back to their roots.
The Brits both want to be able to live freely anywhere in the EU yet prevent Poles and Romanians from living in the UK. You don't get to have it both ways. So I say kick them out, send them home. Let them spend their retirement years in Manchester or York
Health care here is not free. We came to live and retire here in 2005. We became residents and signed on the local town padron. To get ' free' health care, we transfered all our national health payments, from a life time of work in the UK, over to Spain. This was transferred from Newcastle. We now have Spanish SIP health cards which entitle us to national health treatment, the same as if we were in the UK. So don't tell me health care here is free here in Spain. We also pay Spanish taxes, twice a year, from our UK pensions. We also have health insurance, just in case we have something urgent, which is no different to the Uk. We changed our UK driving licences to Spanish ones and imported our car (left hand drive) changing the plates to Spanish. We retain our UK internet bank and import money as and when the rate is favourable. Yes, we have immigrated here to Spain and love the climate but have ticked all the boxes in order to do so. We do not call ourselves expats, just retirees from the Uk. This is the Miami of Europe and is a great place to live if you observe the rules. The only thing we have not done is to apply for Spanish citizenship but this is not necessary. Our Spanish is not bad but the Spanish people help out if you are trying. After all it is their country. By the way, I hate the beer swilling expats on the Costas who give the rest of us a bad name. I have no sympathy for them if they have to sell up and return to the UK.
What does Nigel Farage recommend that these people do?
Start packing your bags and move back to Blighty mates. You'll save tons on not having to buy sun screen. LOL
Can’t understand these people who are essentially immigrants in Spain yet voted for Brexit. What on earth did they think would happen?
I despair at how thick some of my fellow Brits are. "I voted leave because I want to stop free movement of people into UK but I don't want my free movement to be affected"
You couldn't make it up
And yeah, this people are not expats, are immigrants. IMMIGRANTS.
No they are Expats