I was in that position. It's called Depersonalization, also with derealization disorder. He was right. I was deprived from most of my feelings, except for my consciousness. I could understand that I was alive, but my consciousness rejected my identity, my name, and the fact that I'm a human being. In this state, everything you see seems pointless and has no importance for you anymore (just like people around me at that moment).
I think what Avicenna is trying to express is that this body doesn't belong to us. We been imprisoned in it. we are prisoners of an existing enemy that decides our lives. therefore man must try to think of ways to free himself .
I came across Avicenna's work one rainy day 'the book of healing' etc. It's nice getting inside someone's mind, seeing the world from their point of view. As Aldous Huxley might have said. Self awareness however is acquired. Mike
this thought experiment is actually pretty easy now that I've thought about it, all you have to do is find someone who has been deaf since birth. all their experience would come from feeling and visual but they have never heard words or their own voice. so if they experience something not related to touch or sight, such as in a dream, that would answer this thought experiment. if they have then your sense don't matter if they haven't then it can be assumed your senses ARE your conscious/ soul
i think the speaker is missing out, "falling man/floating man " is self explained, he definitely talks about souls, which in reality it floats. and body is something that is not floating but resting and moving on the ground... since His knowledge was based on religion, soul/intellect is what controls body, he meant our action is based on our soul/intellict.
I want to say the "soul" is not the center or singular you but rather the concert of senses composed into the shape of one buy attrition. In the way the individual pieces of an orchestra make up what is taken as one acting body. So the "soul" is a concert of parts into a rhythmic pattern of unity and purpose. Without feedback and dialog there is no motion, no momentum.
I don't necessarily see how the floating man is at odds with empiricism, because it may be impossible to think, at all, without sensory experience effecting the development of the mind. Thus, such a thought experiment may be impossible, without experience.
Yes, we know that consciuosness does devleop through childhood to adulthood as a result of brain development. But lets be honest, Ibn Sina's thought experiment was genius for its time
To attribute time as applying to the whole set of things which exists presupposes a realm beyond everything which exists which can move relative to everything which exists. Or set A which includes all sets which exist and set B the only qualifying attribute of which is that it exits outside of set A. And since set A is everything which exists, the only thing left for set B is that which does not. And by extension of containing nothing which actually exist set its B itself does not exist.
The problem is assuming logical possibility entails metaphysical possibility. Consciousness emerges from the motions of particular arrangements of substances
Law of large numbers. Out of the immense amounts of dreams and the many that are remembered it is bound to happen that some look a lot alike. And even more likely to people who shared similar experiences. But when it happens to yourself or those close to you, something like that seems special while it happens all the time.
I meant it as being a collection, that doesn't mean that outside of it is a box called collection in which it is placed. It is a mental designation to distinguish it. And aren't you granting me the point I actually meant? That it itself is not an entity as such but the collection of all entities. Maybe my choice of words confused you.
I respect your opinion and views on natural phenomena , I do respect you engaging in these kind of dialogues . It is sad that many do not enter it as a dialogue but as a boxing match . There are many things which we do not know , as Allah says He gave us limitted knowledge , also concerning the soul (it is in the quran) and yes that is true we indeed have very limitted knowledge concerning the soul . It is not just energie over mass rather divine light over ''material'ight
You are welcome brother in humanity . I also love people of good will and those who ask questions . Which gets me to the question: Do you believe in life after death?
@papaJueJue I think you misunderstood my question . I amnot syaing we arent living in this state but Iam saying that there was a time when human beings were not a thing mentioned (which means we were non existent)Now we exist . So basically we were non living and now we are living . Thats why I am asking you why youre sure that there is no life behind this one. But the matter of afterlife is not a scientific issue but a matter of revelation . Not a wish of me personally .
@papaJueJue but your oarents arent the source of life they are merely the means. For example have you ever seen a mother giving life to her dead child? So basicaly life after death allready have taken place . We were non living (didnt exist as a species) and here we are . As for teh revelation part I mean that is how we know what is going to happen to us .Only the Creator can tell us what is going to happen . We human beings know very little. We didntcreate ourselves ,didnt prescribe what purpose of our ears should be,similairly only God can tell us weither there is afterlife or weither we are born to be food for worms .Not place of science .Science has nothing to say about these things .
@papaJueJue And do you have any facts, science may be able to say why a mother gives birth to a dead child. Papajuejue, I am saying that a mother loves her child ,she is only means not source of life ,if she were (which she ofcourse isnt ) she woud put life back into her dead child(if the child dies before the mother).reality is that they can not so they arent source of life . As for purpose(function) of ears(to listen) . We didnt prescribe (make a law that our ears wil have function of hearing )(.That was determined before human beings existed(nature doesnt know 1 plus 1 let alone create universe) . The creator is not created and must be one because teh Absolute/allmighty one doesnt need help .Since the Creator is not created theCreator is unique and is not like creation.Whatever you imagine is created (because you are created too,you can only imagine created things) God isnt created so you cant COMPARE GOD to lets say a man , animal,tree (all creation) . A false god MUST be compared to creation (because human beings can only imagine created things such as manGod, elephantGod and flying spaghettimonster ) So you realy dont believe that the Creator exists?
I think its silly, there are people with histories and loads of sensory experiences going on who are not aware of their own existence. Some of them are even awake.
At least you're interested in knowing. "Philosophy is the goal toward which religion was only a helplessly blind groping. The grandeur, the reverence, the exalted purity, the austere dedication to the pursuit of truth, which are commonly associated with religion, should properly belong to the field of philosophy. “The Chickens’ Homecoming,” Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, 46"
as for verse 33 of chapter 55 . It does not refer that it is impossible to penetrate through the confines of both the earth and heavens , the verse ends with sultan , which means power indeed it is not easy to penetrate through the confines of the earth let aside the heavens , that is why in another verse it is mentioned even if a gateway was opened they would assending(ya urudjun0 and they would think it is magic. But one day the sings will be clear and it will be manifest that quran is truth
(76:1) Has there not been over man a period of time, when he was not a thing worth mentioning?(19:9) ... Certainly I have created you before, when you had been nothing!"Allah explains his signs are clear and for those who understand , not those who only believe as quran mentions several times (for those who understand) . There must be guidance outside space/time indeed the creation of the heavens is greater then mankind (quran) but many do not understand. One should know his place in creation
I hope it is true , I have faith it is true . I'm Eastern Orthodox and the holy fathers tell us what it will be like . Myself I'm unsure how it will be exactly . We shall all find out one day , no ?
just as we speak about wave particle we human beings have a dual nature itself . We are not only matterial beings . But I guess when the matterial body will decay and will be replaced (the mass) by other energy then the veil will be opened and see the truth with a certain eye. On earth some still have to activate the eye. they see but they do not see . ame with evolution they want people to believe it is a blind process. If that is the case I am awaitening r2d2 to be ambassador of war child
did you read verse 3 of chapter 55 ? I agree the moon landing is beautifull , the pathways in the universe are awesome as well As described in surah 51 verse 7 . the heaven containing (hubuk , perhaps if you know what hubuk in arabic means , you will understand) it is translated as pathways which indeed is true , but what is suprising is that hubuk means interweaving or weaves. That is why Allah says the quran is in arabic so that you may understand . Pick up a ditionary and see for yourself .
There are philosophies which could go on forever. But I do not ascribe to one of those. There are ones which hold axioms, things held as self evident. Mine justifies those axioms as requiring their acceptance even when one tries to refute them. Existence popping into existence? I'm not the one who claims it ever started, existence my friend is ethereal. Time exists within it, it itself is not within time. Time is the measurement of movements of things which exist.
It would be wrong of me to accept a source based on a metaphysical assumptions which I reject. The existence of reality has to be taken as the primary, starting out with "why isn't there nothing?" denies that its only existence which can exist, nothing by definition does not if it did it would be something which in turn would show that there is no such thing as a thing which is not a thing. This, not the postulating of another step backward, is the answer to those who don't believe their eyes.
If you want to believe the truth you have to value the means to truth above what you believe in. If something conflicts with your reasoning then believing in it despite of that is to surrender to the irrational. Also, look up the moon landing, its still beautiful.
we could go on wheither there is duality or opposite(women and men) we could go forever using philosophy what answer will we get? As for a point where the mathematics stops in creation which some people say it has been popped into existence by itself . They are entitled to their opinion. yes we need filisophy when wanting to answer where did the singularity come from . We can not create things out of nothing we ourselves where created out of nothing .Our existence is the proof for that .
It is absolutely unfair that the world knows little to nothing about this scholar. Yet, I question the commentator's statement on Avicenna being the most significant philosopher ever heard of. I appreciate it if you told me what makes you think that.
geloof jij in het fenomeen mass dreaming? Ikzelf heb het ervaren een egdeelde droom met mijn broer . hoe verklaar je zo een fenomeen het schijnt vaker te gebeuren . Slechts wisselen van gedachtes ben benieuwd wat jij hiervan vind . Is het slechts een signaal van het brein? heb het hier dus over een gedeelde droom niet algemeen dromen .
17.49 . And they say : When we are bones and dust, are we going to be resurrected as a new creation? 17.50. Say: (Yes, you will be resurrected even if) you are stones or iron. 17.51. Or a created matter, which is greater (or stronger than iron) in your minds. . Say: "Travel through the Earth and see how He began the Creation. Then, Allah makes the latter Creation. Allah is capable of (doing) everything" (Al-'Ankaboot, 29: 20). Yes the Creator is Allmight Allknowing
A swing and a miss. They completely got this concept of Avicenna wrong. It's not the flying man. It's the man in a vacuum/void without sensory perception.
Then it is possible, under this framework, for a machine/program at the point of becoming self-aware to be thought of as acquiring a "soul" despite being deprived of any biological or mechanical apparatus for sensory experience.
hmm ok I understand how you and others are thinking it is written in the quran that if Allah would open a gate into the heaven they would be ascending there yaurudjun technically means tpo travvel or ascending in curved trajectory .They (us) would still say this is sorceiry or not real , perhaps one day we will reach that far to travel trough the confines of both the earth and the heavens as mentioned in quran (55.33)
Gateway to the Mind. But even that wouldn't count as you would need someone deprived from sense at birth. And what would you do, ask them what they see? They probably wouldn't speak.
why you call ibn sina a slamic scholar,he is not religious scholar at all,he is trying to define the entity of being and its relation to consciousness,physical body and awareness or consciousness that occupy the physical being, how much of the entity of being knows about his beings,for example if i feed my cat,he knows that he got the food,but does the same cat knows that he knows that he got the food.cats reaction to food comes from his scenes, and experiences that learned in the past.i think we the human only can project to future and be aware of the awareness exist in us,animals does aware but they don't know that they aware of their awareness. His thought experiment is just the metaphor for illustration to us to distinguish the physical body and mind or soul, they are different entities in the body.for example,albert einstein thought experiment is the same,he imagine that he is traveling at the speed of the light and approaching the clock on the wall ,what happens to time when reaches the speed of the light , he realizes that the time will stop ,but the actual experiment is impossible to implement,but this does not take away from the notion the the merit this experiment is correct and changed everything.
You seem to be saying Islam embraces an ontological duality , I was not aware of . Would it be accurate of me to assume , Islam does in fact embrace ontological dualism , or am I incorrect ?
shared dreaming is a signs of afterlife . But fromi slamic perspective it does not matter what evidence will come many will still not believe . In quran Allah adresses those who understand not those who believe. only. salam aleikom
Yet, if your set A is a set itself, then your the one committing the fallacy. Ever heard of Russell's paradox...? For if the set of all sets (which includes all) is a set itself, then this is clear contradiction... because it's just another a set amongst sets, and not one which encompasses and transcends all sets, i.e., a group/set of humans cannot be a human itself.
I love science but it is how you connect the dotts. Life is short and one day it will be manifest to all mankind and djinkind when the signs on the horizons and within ourselves will be shown and it will be a manigest that islam is the truth. I know my place in this universe , after death he enters a nother world and all will whake up after creation of new universe and earth (all will revert back to nothingness exept for Allah and many will find nothing to hold on that 'day''
Woah these guys dont even know what one of the greatest muslim philosopher was talking about. I believe that the Floating man argument is 100% right, this phenomen is called astral projection or out of body experience. What happens is that your soul literally fly our of your body and you see your physical body in bed, instant proof of the existence of a soul...
or just an over active imagination? could you ever possibly provide evidence to prove your view point? Meanwhile, throwing bunch of humans into an fMRI and watching them have these experiences results in a particular pattern... explain
And here again you presuppose a dichotomy which I do not endorse. Man's mind and body are not ad ods. They are an integrated whole. Make a choice, accept an idea, and you will act on it. Have a specific part of your brain disabled and your memories or your ability to make more is gone. That latter fact may actually have been what led to my rejection of a persistent soul. Though i now hold other more hierarchically prior reasoning.
“Creation” does not (and metaphysically cannot) mean the power to bring something into existence out of nothing. “Creation” means the power to bring into existence an arrangement (or combination or integration) of natural elements that had not existed before. (This is true of any human product, scientific or esthetic: man’s imagination is nothing more than the ability to rearrange the things he has observed in reality.) Philosophy: Who Needs It, 25
from nothing you get nothing. Only Allah is capable to create something out of nothing because once there was nothing . That is the reality of nature . It has a beginning and an end . Nobody will argue if we are here really or not . We are here and the universe is real . the dinosaurs arent here any more Allah says if he pleases he can exchange us for another vicegerent on earth . Science is beautifull but answers small amount of questions
I can say to someone that Allah has perfect atributes but what does it mean to someone who does not believe in the existence of the Creator? Having said this we can go on and on lol.
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Persian philosophers and Greek philosophers were thousands of years ahead of their timelines ; we need more of them.
I was in that position. It's called Depersonalization, also with derealization disorder. He was right. I was deprived from most of my feelings, except for my consciousness. I could understand that I was alive, but my consciousness rejected my identity, my name, and the fact that I'm a human being. In this state, everything you see seems pointless and has no importance for you anymore (just like people around me at that moment).
I think what Avicenna is trying to express is that this body doesn't belong to us. We been imprisoned in it. we are prisoners of an existing enemy that decides our lives. therefore man must try to think of ways to free himself .
His name is Ibn Sina ابن سينا
I came across Avicenna's work one rainy day 'the book of healing' etc. It's nice getting inside someone's mind, seeing the world from their point of view. As Aldous Huxley might have said. Self awareness however is acquired. Mike
Quite so . I personally enjoy speaking with people of good will from all faiths . Thank you for your response .
this thought experiment is actually pretty easy now that I've thought about it, all you have to do is find someone who has been deaf since birth. all their experience would come from feeling and visual but they have never heard words or their own voice. so if they experience something not related to touch or sight, such as in a dream, that would answer this thought experiment. if they have then your sense don't matter if they haven't then it can be assumed your senses ARE your conscious/ soul
Where can I find hes manuscript that he actually wrote about the floating man??
why do you doubt it?
i think the speaker is missing out, "falling man/floating man " is self explained, he definitely talks about souls, which in reality it floats. and body is something that is not floating but resting and moving on the ground... since His knowledge was based on religion, soul/intellect is what controls body, he meant our action is based on our soul/intellict.
do you control your heartbeat?
I want to say the "soul" is not the center or singular you but rather the concert of senses composed into the shape of one buy attrition. In the way the individual pieces of an orchestra make up what is taken as one acting body. So the "soul" is a concert of parts into a rhythmic pattern of unity and purpose. Without feedback and dialog there is no motion, no momentum.
I don't necessarily see how the floating man is at odds with empiricism, because it may be impossible to think, at all, without sensory experience effecting the development of the mind. Thus, such a thought experiment may be impossible, without experience.
Yes, we know that consciuosness does devleop through childhood to adulthood as a result of brain development. But lets be honest, Ibn Sina's thought experiment was genius for its time
To attribute time as applying to the whole set of things which exists presupposes a realm beyond everything which exists which can move relative to everything which exists. Or set A which includes all sets which exist and set B the only qualifying attribute of which is that it exits outside of set A. And since set A is everything which exists, the only thing left for set B is that which does not. And by extension of containing nothing which actually exist set its B itself does not exist.
The problem is assuming logical possibility entails metaphysical possibility. Consciousness emerges from the motions of particular arrangements of substances
Law of large numbers. Out of the immense amounts of dreams and the many that are remembered it is bound to happen that some look a lot alike. And even more likely to people who shared similar experiences. But when it happens to yourself or those close to you, something like that seems special while it happens all the time.
Interesting man ...
I meant it as being a collection, that doesn't mean that outside of it is a box called collection in which it is placed. It is a mental designation to distinguish it.
And aren't you granting me the point I actually meant? That it itself is not an entity as such but the collection of all entities. Maybe my choice of words confused you.
I respect your opinion and views on natural phenomena , I do respect you engaging in these kind of dialogues . It is sad that many do not enter it as a dialogue but as a boxing match . There are many things which we do not know , as Allah says He gave us limitted knowledge , also concerning the soul (it is in the quran) and yes that is true we indeed have very limitted knowledge concerning the soul . It is not just energie over mass rather divine light over ''material'ight
You are welcome brother in humanity . I also love people of good will and those who ask questions . Which gets me to the question: Do you believe in life after death?
@papaJueJue allready happened. We were non living matter and here we are. So I dont understand how you figured out that its impossible.
@papaJueJue I think you misunderstood my question . I amnot syaing we arent living in this state but Iam saying that there was a time when human beings were not a thing mentioned (which means we were non existent)Now we exist .
So basically we were non living and now we are living . Thats why I am asking you why youre sure that there is no life behind this one. But the matter of afterlife is not a scientific issue but a matter of revelation . Not a wish of me personally .
@papaJueJue but your oarents arent the source of life they are merely the means. For example have you ever seen a mother giving life to her dead child? So basicaly life after death allready have taken place . We were non living (didnt exist as a species) and here we are . As for teh revelation part I mean that is how we know what is going to happen to us
.Only the Creator can tell us what is going to happen . We human beings know very little. We didntcreate ourselves ,didnt prescribe what purpose of our ears should be,similairly only God can tell us weither there is afterlife or weither we are born to be food for worms .Not place of science .Science has nothing to say about these things .
@papaJueJue And do you have any facts, science may be able to say why a mother gives birth to a dead child. Papajuejue, I am saying that a mother loves her child ,she is only means not source of life ,if she were (which she ofcourse isnt ) she woud put life back into her dead child(if the child dies before the mother).reality is that they can not so they arent source of life .
As for purpose(function) of ears(to listen) . We didnt prescribe (make a law that our ears wil have function of hearing )(.That was determined before human beings existed(nature doesnt know 1 plus 1 let alone create universe) .
The creator is not created and must be one because teh Absolute/allmighty one doesnt need help .Since the Creator is not created theCreator is unique and is not like creation.Whatever you imagine is created (because you are created too,you can only imagine created things) God isnt created so you cant COMPARE GOD to lets say a man , animal,tree (all creation) .
A false god MUST be compared to creation (because human beings can only imagine created things such as manGod, elephantGod and flying spaghettimonster )
So you realy dont believe that the Creator exists?
I think its silly, there are people with histories and loads of sensory experiences going on who are not aware of their own existence.
Some of them are even awake.
Name 1. I'm sure there isn't any human being like that.
At least you're interested in knowing.
"Philosophy is the goal toward which religion was only a helplessly blind groping. The grandeur, the reverence, the exalted purity, the austere dedication to the pursuit of truth, which are commonly associated with religion, should properly belong to the field of philosophy.
“The Chickens’ Homecoming,”
Return of the Primitive: The Anti-Industrial Revolution, 46"
as for verse 33 of chapter 55 . It does not refer that it is impossible to penetrate through the confines of both the earth and heavens , the verse ends with sultan , which means power indeed it is not easy to penetrate through the confines of the earth let aside the heavens , that is why in another verse it is mentioned even if a gateway was opened they would assending(ya urudjun0 and they would think it is magic. But one day the sings will be clear and it will be manifest that quran is truth
Amen .
(76:1) Has there not been over man a period of time, when he was not a thing worth mentioning?(19:9) ... Certainly I have created you before, when you had been nothing!"Allah explains his signs are clear and for those who understand , not those who only believe as quran mentions several times (for those who understand) . There must be guidance outside space/time indeed the creation of the heavens is greater then mankind (quran) but many do not understand. One should know his place in creation
I hope it is true , I have faith it is true . I'm Eastern Orthodox and the holy fathers tell us what it will be like . Myself I'm unsure how it will be exactly . We shall all find out one day , no ?
It is true. I lived this moment. I can say that, whatever you see in real life is not actually real. I can tell you from my experience.
just as we speak about wave particle we human beings have a dual nature itself . We are not only matterial beings . But I guess when the matterial body will decay and will be replaced (the mass) by other energy then the veil will be opened and see the truth with a certain eye. On earth some still have to activate the eye. they see but they do not see . ame with evolution they want people to believe it is a blind process. If that is the case I am awaitening r2d2 to be ambassador of war child
did you read verse 3 of chapter 55 ? I agree the moon landing is beautifull , the pathways in the universe are awesome as well As described in surah 51 verse 7 . the heaven containing (hubuk , perhaps if you know what hubuk in arabic means , you will understand) it is translated as pathways which indeed is true , but what is suprising is that hubuk means interweaving or weaves. That is why Allah says the quran is in arabic so that you may understand . Pick up a ditionary and see for yourself .
There are philosophies which could go on forever. But I do not ascribe to one of those. There are ones which hold axioms, things held as self evident. Mine justifies those axioms as requiring their acceptance even when one tries to refute them. Existence popping into existence? I'm not the one who claims it ever started, existence my friend is ethereal. Time exists within it, it itself is not within time. Time is the measurement of movements of things which exist.
It would be wrong of me to accept a source based on a metaphysical assumptions which I reject.
The existence of reality has to be taken as the primary, starting out with "why isn't there nothing?" denies that its only existence which can exist, nothing by definition does not if it did it would be something which in turn would show that there is no such thing as a thing which is not a thing.
This, not the postulating of another step backward, is the answer to those who don't believe their eyes.
It is impossible to be aware of anything even your own existence if you have no memory and are "completely" deprived of any sensory apparati
If you want to believe the truth you have to value the means to truth above what you believe in. If something conflicts with your reasoning then believing in it despite of that is to surrender to the irrational. Also, look up the moon landing, its still beautiful.
we could go on wheither there is duality or opposite(women and men) we could go forever using philosophy what answer will we get? As for a point where the mathematics stops in creation which some people say it has been popped into existence by itself . They are entitled to their opinion. yes we need filisophy when wanting to answer where did the singularity come from . We can not create things out of nothing we ourselves where created out of nothing .Our existence is the proof for that .
It is absolutely unfair that the world knows little to nothing about this scholar. Yet, I question the commentator's statement on Avicenna being the most significant philosopher ever heard of. I appreciate it if you told me what makes you think that.
he said never heard of
Canon of Medicine alone
geloof jij in het fenomeen mass dreaming? Ikzelf heb het ervaren een egdeelde droom met mijn broer . hoe verklaar je zo een fenomeen het schijnt vaker te gebeuren . Slechts wisselen van gedachtes ben benieuwd wat jij hiervan vind . Is het slechts een signaal van het brein? heb het hier dus over een gedeelde droom niet algemeen dromen .
17.49 . And they say : When we are bones and dust, are we going to be resurrected as a new creation? 17.50. Say: (Yes, you will be resurrected even if) you are stones or iron.
17.51. Or a created matter, which is greater (or stronger than iron) in your minds. . Say: "Travel through the Earth and see how He began the Creation. Then, Allah makes the latter Creation. Allah is capable of (doing) everything" (Al-'Ankaboot, 29: 20). Yes the Creator is Allmight Allknowing
A swing and a miss. They completely got this concept of Avicenna wrong. It's not the flying man. It's the man in a vacuum/void without sensory perception.
Then it is possible, under this framework, for a machine/program at the point of becoming self-aware to be thought of as acquiring a "soul" despite being deprived of any biological or mechanical apparatus for sensory experience.
I think therefore I am?
Apparently René Descartes copied Avicenna's work or as we nowadays call it "inspired".
@@peakjvs4967 yeah the ultimate excuse since ancient times.
@@umaersharief elaborate?
Descartes definitely didn't give credit
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He means if ppl copy.
hmm ok I understand how you and others are thinking it is written in the quran that if Allah would open a gate into the heaven they would be ascending there yaurudjun technically means tpo travvel or ascending in curved trajectory .They (us) would still say this is sorceiry or not real , perhaps one day we will reach that far to travel trough the confines of both the earth and the heavens as mentioned in quran (55.33)
Gateway to the Mind. But even that wouldn't count as you would need someone deprived from sense at birth. And what would you do, ask them what they see? They probably wouldn't speak.
why you call ibn sina a slamic scholar,he is not religious scholar at all,he is trying to define the entity of being and its relation to consciousness,physical body and awareness or consciousness that occupy the physical being, how much of the entity of being knows about his beings,for example if i feed my cat,he knows that he got the food,but does the same cat knows that he knows that he got the food.cats reaction to food comes from his scenes, and experiences that learned in the past.i think we the human only can project to future and be aware of the awareness exist in us,animals does aware but they don't know that they aware of their awareness.
His thought experiment is just the metaphor for illustration to us to distinguish the physical body and mind or soul, they are different entities in the body.for example,albert einstein thought experiment is the same,he imagine that he is traveling at the speed of the light and approaching the clock on the wall ,what happens to time when reaches the speed of the light , he realizes that the time will stop ,but the actual experiment is impossible to implement,but this does not take away from the notion the the merit this experiment is correct and changed everything.
You seem to be saying Islam embraces an ontological duality , I was not aware of . Would it be accurate of me to assume , Islam does in fact embrace ontological dualism , or am I incorrect ?
no islam embraces singularty.
shared dreaming is a signs of afterlife . But fromi slamic perspective it does not matter what evidence will come many will still not believe . In quran Allah adresses those who understand not those who believe. only. salam aleikom
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Yet, if your set A is a set itself, then your the one committing the fallacy. Ever heard of Russell's paradox...? For if the set of all sets (which includes all) is a set itself, then this is clear contradiction... because it's just another a set amongst sets, and not one which encompasses and transcends all sets, i.e., a group/set of humans cannot be a human itself.
The set of all sets that contain no set.
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I love science but it is how you connect the dotts. Life is short and one day it will be manifest to all mankind and djinkind when the signs on the horizons and within ourselves will be shown and it will be a manigest that islam is the truth. I know my place in this universe , after death he enters a nother world and all will whake up after creation of new universe and earth (all will revert back to nothingness exept for Allah and many will find nothing to hold on that 'day''
Maybe I havent heard of "avicenna"...but Ive heard of "Ibn Sina" (specifically Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥusayn ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn Al-Hasan ibn Ali ibn Sīnā)
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Woah these guys dont even know what one of the greatest muslim philosopher was talking about. I believe that the Floating man argument is 100% right, this phenomen is called astral projection or out of body experience. What happens is that your soul literally fly our of your body and you see your physical body in bed, instant proof of the existence of a soul...
or just an over active imagination? could you ever possibly provide evidence to prove your view point? Meanwhile, throwing bunch of humans into an fMRI and watching them have these experiences results in a particular pattern... explain
So schizophrenia is proof of spirits?
And here again you presuppose a dichotomy which I do not endorse. Man's mind and body are not ad ods. They are an integrated whole. Make a choice, accept an idea, and you will act on it. Have a specific part of your brain disabled and your memories or your ability to make more is gone. That latter fact may actually have been what led to my rejection of a persistent soul. Though i now hold other more hierarchically prior reasoning.
“Creation” does not (and metaphysically cannot) mean the power to bring something into existence out of nothing. “Creation” means the power to bring into existence an arrangement (or combination or integration) of natural elements that had not existed before. (This is true of any human product, scientific or esthetic: man’s imagination is nothing more than the ability to rearrange the things he has observed in reality.)
Philosophy: Who Needs It, 25
from nothing you get nothing. Only Allah is capable to create something out of nothing because once there was nothing . That is the reality of nature . It has a beginning and an end . Nobody will argue if we are here really or not . We are here and the universe is real . the dinosaurs arent here any more Allah says if he pleases he can exchange us for another vicegerent on earth . Science is beautifull but answers small amount of questions
ابن سينا( فيلسوف اطباء العرب )
How bout saying the man is actually a ball that is conscious of being and is in nothing but blackness and has no memory and no sensations
I can say to someone that Allah has perfect atributes but what does it mean to someone who does not believe in the existence of the Creator? Having said this we can go on and on lol.