As somebody who was in percussion throughout highschool this is the case of most of the time, but the people who can have each arm do their own thing are psychopaths and I admire them
Honestly that's kinda the way. I've been learning drums, and it's less about forcing your limbs to do different things, but pretty much memorizing so different patterns that eventually any blind spot you have you can easily pick up on.
I heard the 3/4 polyrhythm first on Snarky Puppy’s tiny desk concert and just copied to the two sets of claps I also really can’t do it with my right hand on the 4
Exactly what I was gonna say (For those who don’t know, drummers will often make sentences where the syllables reflect the beats in a polyrhythm to help them learn it/make it easier to play)
@@error.418 i know that. I never said “70’s progressive jazzrock is the only type of music that uses polyrhythms” i have no idea how you got that message out of what i wrote. All i said was that popular modern music doesn’t have it. It was alot more common for people to know about music with polyrhythms back then because that type of music was more popular back then.
@@ganglestank What you said is "modern music is really trash" which is just survivorship bias talking. It's false. Not to mention that, yes, there is modern pop music also using polyrhythms, not even hard to find. You have some nostalgia blinders on. There is great music in every generation, and terrible music in every generation. Older generations have the bad stuff fade away from memory leading to survivorship bias.
@@error.418 i’m 26 lol what nostalgia? I stand by my statement. Not all modern music but back in the late 60’s and early to mid 70’s the popular music was really good.
Musicians will understand this.. that there’s a magical moment when the rhythm finally clicks internally. It is like a fog lifts and you can see clearly now. Polyrhythms are fun.
i have a piano piece with this sort of timing and everytime it makes me want to rip my teeth out, even tho i have been playing for more than 10 years it still takes me a while to make sure im playing it correctly
This is part of my daily routine, alternating hands for the sixteenths/triplets on the beats. So right hand sixteenths on the one and three, and left hand sixteenths on the two and four. This polyrhythm has opened up my independence and coordination so much. When I first started doing it I tried to keep both hands even on the beats, but have since moved to alternating lead flams instead. It is more fun and sounds better.
@cassidy You just have to start really slow. I mean really slow. I you cant do it faster than 10bpm sixteenths over triplets then don't. Start there. Speed it up 5bpm every couple weeks. Before you know it you will be able to do sisteenths over triplets at 100bpm without even thinking about it ;)
Just learned Fantasie Impromptu by Chopin on piano a couple months ago and almost the entire piece is 3 in the left hand and 4 in the right, such a nightmare to learn…
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is 4::3 not 3::4, i.e you are counting 3 quarters and you evenly place 4 hits in that interval. 3::4 may sound similar to some listeners but it's a completely different thing to grasp
Im pretty sure it's 3::4 because the metronome denotes the time signature. When doing rhythms, you first list the base and then the overlayed rhythm. The reason this might feel reversed is because he starts by playing the 4 note rhythm and then follows with the 3. However, the order doesn't matter. It's about what is the "base"
I suppose I could do this (at a much slower tempo) by continously counting from 1 to 12, hitting the blue dots when I say 1, 5, and 9. And hitting the pink dots on 1, 4, 7, and 10. Writing these numbers on the dots would make it a little easier.
if you divide 4/3 you don't get the same number as dividing 3/4. Yes it may sound similar but counting 4 and evenly placing 3 hits in that interval is a whole different thing to grasp. If that's easy for you try doing 4:5 vs 5:4
Rather than thinking about polyrhythms as 2 different rhythms it becomes pretty easy to do them when you think about them as a 1 rhythm on it's own. Pay attention to how it sounds all together.
I've always love playing this little diddy warming up. I'm not traditionally trained, so it's cool when I learn that stuff that I do has names, and is practiced. While I just stumble into it and say "hmm, sound good, me play" Thanks for the vid
One of my favourites is 7/8 over 4/4 with snare on beat 3. Takes quite a while to loop back and sounds really cool as the snare is always landing somewhere really different
Finally, i did it! Tip: try to do it each hand on a single circle at first then when you feel comfortable, try doing that circular movement, it would be so much easier than before after you have learn the rithm
Trying to learn to do this for fantasie impromptu broke my brain. It took me weeks. When I realized I needed to practice with snapping my fingers to teach my brain what it should be listening for really helped. That and practicing in each hand and then just syncing up the notes that were on the same beat
like alot of people are saying, its not about playing 2 hands independently, its about how 3 hits fit into 4, or how 4 hits fit into 3, like a fraction, you can eventually understand where each hit will be placed amongst the lead hand, how it has a constant stagger until finally they meet up together to start the cycle again
![Drumming with Polyrhythms [3:2 | 3:4 | 5:4] + musical examples](/img/n.gif)
Drummers are just a different animal with this kind of stuff man.
This is extremely easy for anyone to do takes 10 seconds to explain
@@distortsequel as a wind player, it would take a LOT of practice for me to get polyrhythms down
@@pseudo2224 not 3 against 4 it’s the easiest one deadass a non musician could learn it fast
@@distortsequel this is maybe the most advanced polyrhythm I could wrap my head around
@@pseudo2224 I have more faith in you than you do yourself pseudo
Polyrhythms always remind me of “pat your head and rub your stomach” literally messing my brain up since the dawn of time
is the pat your head rub your stomach thing to be not doable?
you could say it like "pat your head and stomach" and it would work in this context
its just practice
Pat your head, rub your stomach, make a sandwich, fold your laundry.
"Welcome to odd meters"
@@ArtOfRuin981underrated comment
the butter has been passed
please explain
@@ZiNZoroN pass the god damn butter (3:4 polyrhythm trick) it kinda sounds like it see
@@ZiNZoroN m.th-cam.com/video/dj-g9a5Vzk0/w-d-xo.html
Haha good joke
ayo that’s lookin like a nice cup of tea you got there
When you realize just noticing a tap pattern is easier than forcing each arm to do their own thing
I don’t play drums but I have been playing piano a few months and I don’t know if I’m cheating but that’s the right way I think
@@slimshmoopy1042 everybody has their own opinion I just remember a pattern and it’s easier
As somebody who was in percussion throughout highschool this is the case of most of the time, but the people who can have each arm do their own thing are psychopaths and I admire them
Honestly that's kinda the way.
I've been learning drums, and it's less about forcing your limbs to do different things, but pretty much memorizing so different patterns that eventually any blind spot you have you can easily pick up on.
I heard the 3/4 polyrhythm first on Snarky Puppy’s tiny desk concert and just copied to the two sets of claps
I also really can’t do it with my right hand on the 4
-pass the freaking butter
-eat the freaking butter
-pass the freaking pickle
-eat the freaking pickle
Underrated
I kinda get it
No its pass the goddamn butter
I use 'pass the stinking butter'😂
Eat ya god dam spinach
My brain is hurting by just seeing it.
give it like ten minutes and it’s really easy trust me
just say pass the god-damn but-ter
lmao shits so easy
My brain can’t brain after watching this
@@clxudzYTare you a drummer?
Average upstairs neighbor activities at 3:60 AM
😂😂 fr. Mine had a miniature bowling alley and skating rink im sure of it
So you mean 4:00AM?.. 😂
No. He means what he means.
@@camiloandrespachongomez5965 "time is relative" -someone probably
Pass the god damn butter
😂😂
Exactly what I was gonna say
(For those who don’t know, drummers will often make sentences where the syllables reflect the beats in a polyrhythm to help them learn it/make it easier to play)
@@osirisdragon483 know any other good ones?
@@calvinlee8103pass the salt and pepper
@@calvinlee8103 "im looking for a house to buy" for 5/4 polyrhythm
As a really inexperienced drummer I can tell you this stuff is surprisingly extremely simple
Same
It took me like 5 minutes to learn 2:3 and 4:3 polyrhythms when I just sat down and tried instead of giving up
Easy stuff
@@Matthew-oz5yf Cool. Now do 13:19
@@Matthew-oz5yf those 2 are the easiest
The dot visuals are helpful. Nice touch!
think of this rhythm like "Pass the salt and pepper."
Yeah it's basically the same as 5:7, just less counts.
@@danino.the.filipinofor 5:7 dont you add "the food is dry"?
@@theroundtable6371 the food is tasteless but yeah
We had this and "shake the newborn baby" that was interchangeable
As a trumpet player, this is a lot more simple than people think
This scratched my brain just right thank you
Wow this is like the most efficient way to learn this. Getting down the right hand is the hard part
I thought you were the libaruib for sa sec
No the most efficient way is just saying "pass the goddamn butter"
@@christianwarner1691 for me, "what atrocious weather"
no kidding, i knew if i tried id be able to get it, but i got it in like 5 minutes w this!
Sounds fucking amazing
Yeah, modern music is really trash. Listen to some vintage prog jazz rock. Polyrhythm with George Duke is a good start.
@@ganglestank always a bad take with survivorship bias. there is modern stuff that's also excellent and using polyrhythms effectively and creatively.
@@error.418 i know that. I never said “70’s progressive jazzrock is the only type of music that uses polyrhythms” i have no idea how you got that message out of what i wrote. All i said was that popular modern music doesn’t have it. It was alot more common for people to know about music with polyrhythms back then because that type of music was more popular back then.
@@ganglestank What you said is "modern music is really trash" which is just survivorship bias talking. It's false. Not to mention that, yes, there is modern pop music also using polyrhythms, not even hard to find. You have some nostalgia blinders on. There is great music in every generation, and terrible music in every generation. Older generations have the bad stuff fade away from memory leading to survivorship bias.
@@error.418 i’m 26 lol what nostalgia? I stand by my statement. Not all modern music but back in the late 60’s and early to mid 70’s the popular music was really good.
“Pass the goddamn butter 🧈”
Nobody:
My neighbour at 4 am every day:
At least he's got great rhythm
Actually, the 3-4 beat is one of the great beats
Ima be real this helped me visualize what a polyrhythm is, thanks for that :3
Pass the bread and butter 🧈
I learned: 'pass the gosh darn butter'
First time ive seen anyone else use a butter related sentence though
What does that mean
Literally thank you
Sounds like the ending of Ænema by tool.
Yea the song uses this polyrhythm
danny carey is the man
Sounds like if there were more notes here it would sound like the middle of vicarious
I've seen a lot of polyrhythm videos and this is the first one I've been able to really follow with. Thanks!
Did you watched the snarky puppy explanation live at tiny desk?
together sounds so good...❤
common feature in Latin music, especially in Mexico
I would cry if I had to do this
Pass the goddamn butter - my music teacher has great pneumonics for polyrhythms 🤣
Chopin pieces introduced me to this hell
Talent. I could LITERALLY never do this
You could definitely do it with practice if you start slow. There are definitely some really hard polyrhythms but 3:4 isn't that bad.
create a table with subdivisions. i found some online, and its a lot easier that way. after doing that, learn to focus on each hand individually
Not talent, just practice
Musicians will understand this.. that there’s a magical moment when the rhythm finally clicks internally. It is like a fog lifts and you can see clearly now. Polyrhythms are fun.
ALRIGHT HERES THE BUTTER
Thats beautiful
I always do 3-4 and 4-3 for fun i love it
i have a piano piece with this sort of timing and everytime it makes me want to rip my teeth out, even tho i have been playing for more than 10 years it still takes me a while to make sure im playing it correctly
This is part of my daily routine, alternating hands for the sixteenths/triplets on the beats. So right hand sixteenths on the one and three, and left hand sixteenths on the two and four. This polyrhythm has opened up my independence and coordination so much. When I first started doing it I tried to keep both hands even on the beats, but have since moved to alternating lead flams instead. It is more fun and sounds better.
i can do it but no as fast as sixteenth notes :(
not
@cassidy You just have to start really slow. I mean really slow. I you cant do it faster than 10bpm sixteenths over triplets then don't. Start there. Speed it up 5bpm every couple weeks. Before you know it you will be able to do sisteenths over triplets at 100bpm without even thinking about it ;)
HELL YEAHHH THREE AGAINST FOUR MY LOVE
Just learned Fantasie Impromptu by Chopin on piano a couple months ago and almost the entire piece is 3 in the left hand and 4 in the right, such a nightmare to learn…
Hopefully nobody's forcing you to learn it. Let those who enjoy it learn it and do it, probably 👍
It’s all smooth sailing once you get the rhythm down
Was looking for this comment
Fantaisie Impromptu was a nightmare to learn, but was well worth the time. Beautiful piece.
Casually plays Tool
lol
Polyrhythms sound so good man
I'll help ya all: Try this " Pass the f*king butter" with both hands on pass
my instructor always told us "pass the gosh darn butter" but we all said it the other way anyways
Goddamn butter flows better imo
I'll be at work on the line slapping the back of a pan like this.
Correct me if I'm wrong but this is 4::3 not 3::4, i.e you are counting 3 quarters and you evenly place 4 hits in that interval. 3::4 may sound similar to some listeners but it's a completely different thing to grasp
Yeah, you’re wrong
@@Lady_Mando Actually "no u" is a response more suitable for you 😝
You said “Correct me if I’m wrong” and then have the nerve to talk shit to me? Good to know you’re a child
@@Lady_Mando lol have a nice day buddy
Im pretty sure it's 3::4 because the metronome denotes the time signature. When doing rhythms, you first list the base and then the overlayed rhythm. The reason this might feel reversed is because he starts by playing the 4 note rhythm and then follows with the 3. However, the order doesn't matter. It's about what is the "base"
I suppose I could do this (at a much slower tempo) by continously counting from 1 to 12, hitting the blue dots when I say 1, 5, and 9. And hitting the pink dots on 1, 4, 7, and 10. Writing these numbers on the dots would make it a little easier.
Great, now as a pianist I'm challenging you to try 3/4 and 5/4 because I've done that for some classical piano
Lol you haven’t seen the polyrhythms in Finnissy yet
They’re so good. Augggg
Drummers, use this to make some good fills, 4 on the snare and 3 on the crash.
I worked construction and would often find poly-rhythms by listening to the arbitrary synchronization of two guys hammering.
This 4 against 3, not 3 against 4. I swear no one gets this right
It’s the same either way bro 😆
if you divide 4/3 you don't get the same number as dividing 3/4. Yes it may sound similar but counting 4 and evenly placing 3 hits in that interval is a whole different thing to grasp. If that's easy for you try doing 4:5 vs 5:4
this and 2:3 is the only polyrythms that fall naturally to me. The rest are just mindboggling
I never get tired of stuff like this
This is my favorite polyrhythm to do when I’m just bored
Rather than thinking about polyrhythms as 2 different rhythms it becomes pretty easy to do them when you think about them as a 1 rhythm on it's own. Pay attention to how it sounds all together.
I've always love playing this little diddy warming up. I'm not traditionally trained, so it's cool when I learn that stuff that I do has names, and is practiced. While I just stumble into it and say "hmm, sound good, me play" Thanks for the vid
One of the only ones i can do in my head before watching the video
Kick the silver bucket
This rhythm is a trip
One of my favourites is 7/8 over 4/4 with snare on beat 3. Takes quite a while to loop back and sounds really cool as the snare is always landing somewhere really different
As a beginner drummer, videos like this make me wanna cry
With any polyrhythm, learn the composite rhythm (combination of the two) with the help of a mnemonic and it becomes way easier.
Dang it sounds good
Yooo, I did it first try!
OMG!! How you have it laid out with numbers and the camera angle.. dude.. this is awesome! Headed to ur page now
*Darkside just waking up.*
"Oh coffee is ready..."
The sound of them together makes my brain short-circuit tryimg to figure out what it's hearing 😂
Finally, i did it!
Tip: try to do it each hand on a single circle at first then when you feel comfortable, try doing that circular movement, it would be so much easier than before after you have learn the rithm
Why does the person start then stop the left? Your not suppose to just continue with the right?..im a beginner just asking to know?
@@dianaperez5058 I think, it can be to get used each hand, or also for the sake of the video delivering
I can’t do this shit man, hats off to you guys
The real trouble is forcing your arms to work separately, it’s seriously hard even for simple beats.
これを音ゲーの曲で習得出来るなんて素晴らしい時代だ
Pls put this on Spotify plssss this is too good
"man, I wish I could listen to 3:4 polyrhythm beat on Spotify"
One of my favorites
3/4 and 2/3 are some of my favourite plyrithms
This cbat drop bouta go crazy 🔥🔥🔥
Trying to learn to do this for fantasie impromptu broke my brain. It took me weeks. When I realized I needed to practice with snapping my fingers to teach my brain what it should be listening for really helped. That and practicing in each hand and then just syncing up the notes that were on the same beat
Wtf bro you have to be so skilled for this
It’s actually very simple. The hardest part is getting each hand to work independently
I realized that I’ve accidentally played this polyrhythm before.
Thats good practice and hard as fuck cause its like rubbin ya head and stomach chewing bubble gum at the same time
That's actually really easy. I'm not a drummer and 2 3 or 3 4 polyrhythms are a piece of cake---any higher than that gets tricky.
The best way to remember this polyrhythm in your head is by saying “pass the god damn butter”
The left brain actuating the right hand and the right brain the left. True multitasking.
like alot of people are saying, its not about playing 2 hands independently, its about how 3 hits fit into 4, or how 4 hits fit into 3, like a fraction, you can eventually understand where each hit will be placed amongst the lead hand, how it has a constant stagger until finally they meet up together to start the cycle again
This just scrambled my brain lol
makes my heart dance
Love using this , make the song in 4.4 put kicks on the 4 counts , and percussion on the 3
Finally one I can do 🎉
Yo thanks for the example, I gotta use this whilr learning Chopin Ballade No. 4
Will use, thanks
I like it
Ahh polyrhythms, first knew about it from Critical Acclaim by Avenged. It was a treat to hear and learn.
alright how many times do i have to say this GIVE ME THE F*CKING BUTTER ALREADY
This new TOOL song sounding pretty fire
My favorite polyrhythm (it’s the only one I can play)
One of the easier polyrhythms to play. You can actually fit this one into many rock songs in a way that is actually groovy too.
This man’s hand-eye coordination makes the CIWS radar system look obsolete.
The way i memorise polyrythms isnt as 2 seperare rythms, but one beat
My way of remembering 3:4 polyrhythm is by saying “pass the goddamn butter” whenever playing it so the syllables match with each hit
god i wanna be a drummer so bad but those kinda videos makes my brain want to implode
My band director helped us understand it by saying “pass the gosh dang butter”
This is like rubbing your head while patting your stomach to me haha
Thanks! I got it
the visuals kinda helps wth
I can do the poly rhythm only because I know what it sounds like. As soon as I have to start counting I fuck up.
Crazy talent
i just did my first polyrhythm cuz of u!!!