EMT-CC here. To do CPR effectively it is recommended to have a firm, flat surface under the patient. If they "dig a hole" under the patients back not only are chest compressions compromised in efficiency but there could also be spinal damage.
And from the story it sounded like OP was being told to dig a hole under the neck so that the head dips backwards, not only spinal damage but breaking the neck
@@etcetera1995 true, which is screwed up - I'm a nurse because I want to help people get better, but there's definitely people who are in the profession to go on a power trip. Usually, they end up moving up the management ladder either because they want even more power and/or to get them away from patient care because they usually suck at it!
@@TheKillerqueen40 It's infuriating- the job SHOULD attract the best in people, because they require compassion and intelligence and care for others. And of course they *do* attract decent people, I'm not so cynical as to think that *every* teacher hates children and every doctor is just out to pad their bank account. But the worse case examples stand out so much more than the ones who do their jobs for the right reason.
I mean, not to mention, with CPR, you need to start ASAP and not stop until ambulance/EMT take over.. if you waste time to dig a hole, that's vital moments that could result in the person not having oxygen, potentially causing brain damage or death. And even if you have someone else dig the hole, once you start, you cant stop or move the person. So that's just dumb advice from "Maggie" And I only have basic CPR and First Aid certificates
And then there's movies where someone in desperation is just wailing on someone's chest, like straight up elbow drops, and the victim magically sits up and takes a deep breath.
Just a thought, but what if she gave that advice knowing it was bad so that OP could potentially screw up big time and get fired. If that's true, then she was willing to risk an innocent person's life just to get rid of someone she didn't like.
I'm not certified with anything and I know shite-all, but even I can imagine that doing CPR over a hole is a one way ticket to breaking someone's sternum XD
I know very rudimentary CPR (due to elderly people visiting my workplace and some elderly home care in the past), and the digging would not only waste time for life-saving but also not align their spine and position lungs/heart correctly to be able to save a life. If I may quote Dr Mike here on TH-cam: "Chest compressions. Chest compressions. Chest compressions"...
Why would she report OP for being naked in his own home?! That still baffles me. That lady's crazy, but I'm glad her cousin and the rest of her family seem pretty normal.
@Thomas Stahl More like blaming him for making children (more accurately, passionately hugging a woman) in his own home. He's not in public. The door was probably even locked. I kinda want to know how she got in.
Maggie was made up like the rest of the post, the terms used were not even correct for life saving, becah captain LOL used it several times but the term is patrol captain.
@@Right-Is-Right Interesting - it's fair to assume that a good percentage of the stories on rslash are fictional. However, not knowing for certain either way means that people, such as myself respond to them as if they were true.
I can guarantee you Maggie wouldn’t have lasted more than a semester had she gotten into that nursing course. I know people who have been in nursing programs and it can get pretty cut throat and you can get booted for the smallest infractions. Her stupid “you’re doing it wrong, this is how you do it” bs and superiority complex would no doubt have gotten her kicked out almost immediately
I agree. I got through the program and graduated in December. She would have made so many enemies in the program with her attitude. She also did not have the right work ethic to study for those exams. She would have failed horribly
Maggie: *literally breaks into OP's house* Also Maggie: Op wAs nOt wEaRiNg cLoThEs aT hIs OwN hOmE! Lady, you literally broke into OP'S home, that's criminal
OP made a whole epic for Maggie’s evaluation. We need more leaders like that district manager and and less leaders like Maggie. I wouldn’t ever put my safety in hers hands.
The CPR part is the worst part of this for me. I think that she genuinely believes that instead of pushing whatever is inside of you out so you can breathe again, pushing you inside a hole in the ground will fix the problem
You’re right about the cpr. A hole is an awful idea both because of less pressure and because sand is a great material to do things like cpr on because it’s very moldable yet stiff.
How fitting for an A-hole to dig A hole. On top of that, she was digging a hole for herself because she thought she could get away with her crappy, a-hole behavior. Always remember people: A-holes always dig a hole for themselves just because they believe they could get away with anything.
Rslash: *bangs on table.* "Huh what?" *Sound of door creaking open* TH-cam: Perfect time for commercial. Commerical: "Come down to Menards. Save big money" Me: "Did OP just answer the door at 530am for a door to door Menards advertiser" lolololol
Hey Rslash, you're absolutely correct about the CPR thing. Along with not being as effective, having a hole under them would also take extremely valuable time away from actually saving the victim, when in most cases you only have a couple of minutes to actually react due to the fact that the brain can only survive without oxygen for a few minutes before tissue starts to die.
As a former Self-Aid and Buddy Care Instructor in the Air Force, you do NOT dig a hole under the person you are performing CPR to. You can do more harm, than good.
I think Rslash misread this. As I understood it, Maggie wasn't telling OP to dig a hole -- she was saying that he needed to put something under the person so that the chest compressions _wouldn't_ dig a hole.
@@scottkendrix6231 Well yes, so be sure I searched the title on the interwebz before commenting. There were a few more telltale signs that no matter where you are that are noticeable, like OP thinking that you could just do a course to transfer from being a pool lifeguard to a beach lifegurd and as a newb at the beach would be offered the 2IC role. Also if you are on patrol at the beach you don't just drop everything and train others, hell you would be shot for not you know, watching. But yeah, I only gave the first example because it is easily searchable.
I am laughing my ass off. OP had to put up with a lot of crap, but the way Maggie's cousin regarded OP like they were the legendary hero who slayed the dragon must of felt amazing.
The digging a hole under the person while doing cpr is such an incredibly bad idea. I can’t even think of why someone would need to do that and I’ve got literally nothing. It makes zero sense
My sinking feeling when Maggie said what she did about doing *that* was that she was trying to set OP up for a bad job-costing incident with deliberately wrong information. It does make her sound even more despicable than before, as Rslash pointed out as he knew it.
the best part about this subreddit is that you'd read the first half and your blood starts to boil but then you remember the name of the subreddit and you just become satisfied knowing they're gonna get what they deserve
Ah yes,nothing better than a daily rslash vid along with my late night dinner at the graveyard shift at work , as i ignore my coursework 🥳 hope everyones having a great day/night!
I’m CPR certified for my job-I work with kids, but not on a beach. I’m a figure skating coach and I primarily coach groups of about 10 kids or adults, depending on the class. What they told us in training, is “if someone starts going into cardiac arrest, or something else happens and they need CPR, take off your jacket, lay it underneath them and use the hood as a pillow, then start CPR immediately. It ALWAYS has to be on a flat, even, stable surface”. On the beach, digging a hole in the ground when your performing emergency CPR is the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to do and be prepared for (according to the instructor who gave us the class and certification).
ProRevenge tip: If you have a toxic employee that you have to work with, document _everything_ that s/he does to you and to other co-workers. After enough evidence is gathered, present said evidence to the Manager, HR, or other relevant office that could deal with the problem.
@@scottkendrix6231 I think the whole 'bye bye scholarship' is the revenge part. Op did handle it as you should in these cases but except advising they really did not have a say in the scholarship part.
I can't express how happy I am that Maggie did not get into nursing school. I know that people can change but I would not want to have her as my nurse if something was wrong.
Maggie had such a good life ahead of her, the job sounded like a job that cared about employees, she was on the track to be a nurse and she screws up like that?
1) She was certain her life was set, so she felt she could do whatever she wanted. 2) People treated her like a princess, so she felt it was her right to grind them into the dirt, expecting them to thank her. TL;DR, she let the power go WAY to her head.
I'm thankful to hear about what happened to Maggie.....could you honestly see her as a nurse in an ER ward??? IF she graduated, she's probably end up at one of those fly-by-night cosmetic surgery clinics where some poor woman dies just because she wanted to get rid of a slight tummy roll.
I subscribed because you present these items so well. Then you did two things: gave a wannabe TH-cam pro some kind and wise advice. You said you have to make 100 bad videos before you make one good one, etc. Then you read a CB post where the beggar went back and forth with a therapist who could nor fit her kid into his schedule. The way you alternated voices gave such a perfect picture of her I wished the button said "Love" instead of "like." I decided to binge your Playlist and like each one. (Munch on that, algorithm!) The more time I spent enjoying your gentle but spot on humor tne more I knew that I had to offer more support. After all, anyone who isn't a Choosing Beggar knows that money is how we honor people's time and talents. So you have a new patron. Keep sifting stories and I will be listening and enjoying. Thank you!
This story was all sorts of f’d up. That girl didn’t get enough revenge on her…but I am sad that OP didn’t end up dating her cousin. 😂😂😂 That’s one twist that I would have enjoyed.
Honestly, having Maggie suffer in the harsh reality of life is the best revenge of all. Because she saw her own little world just fall apart due to her entitlement and stupidity. Now that she doesn't have that, she's learning the hard way that life isn't so forgiving when you have your head so far up your ass. I mean, she lost her scholarship and got KICKED OUT of the college course in her second year. Better yet, if she doesn't straighten up soon, it's just gonna get much harder and harder.
@@Xolivas1 not only that but her family got some third degree which is good Maggie's awful but she's a product of her upbringing, and her parents are obviously the type to be more concerned with "What will the neighbors think" over actually being parents, so they run around thinking the best course of action is shielding her from consequence rather then teaching her actions have consequences "Ain't it fun living in the real world" - Paramore
Just passed my Standard First aid course in May, and omg. Digging the hole would not only compromise the stability of the patient you're working on, (uneven surfaces + compressions = high chance of spinal injury), but to take the time to dig the hole could in some cases kill the patient. Time is not your friend when the person literally cannot breathe, or their heart is not pumping. When you are doing CPR, you are in a sense that person's heart and lungs. If you dig a hole under them, their chances of surviving plummet. I cannot express just how relieved I am that that woman did not make it into nursing.
I know CPR and digging a hole under the person is an incredibly bad idea because for it to be the most effective it had to be done on a hard flat surface like the ground! Not on the bed or in a hole
oh, the digging a hole was miscommunication, she said "if you do CPR in the sand you will end up digging a hole", for starters that's not how regular sand works, you will not end up buried on the sand by someone doing pressure on your chest... she was literally making up lies about how Op was doing something wrong when he wasn't.
I think what Maggie was saying was that "if you do CPR on the beach without a back-board, the chest compressions would cause the body to dig a hole". It's different than your interpretation of what she said, but just as ridiculous.
If that's the case then, depending on the type of sand, that's actually solid advice. I've been around CPR being done on loose desert sand, and we got a hard board, which the medic requested. It was the type of sand that only packs together after you sink into it, like snow. Not what you want when you need to perform CPR and every second counts. So, while the medic was getting the patient ready to receive CPR, we broke the legs off a table. No idea what happened to the guy, but he was breathing when he got onto the medevac.
Lifeguard here for almost 7 years. Have been told that the surface more or less doesn't care (You only need a stable one), for CPR. So as long as the ground is flat, and nothing can give more damage to the person, the better. The only time you need to think about the surface is when using the defibrillator, on a dry space, since you guessed it) it gives a shock with electricity. So as long as you can have the person on a stable surface, with more or less nothing under their back, you are fine to do CPR.
I had a similar ‘rookie’ interaction when training as a dental assistant. One of the actual dental assistants at my work prac kept calling ‘freshie’, saying that most of the freshies don’t last because of the smells from peoples dirty mouths, halitosis and stuff. I let her go on and on and at the end of my first day zi told her that bad smells won’t be an issue since I was born without a sense of smell. I also passed my pracs with flying colours.
I too was a lifeguard instructor/examiner and a First Aid Instructor/Examiner. Never have I heard of digging a hole underneath a victim. You are correct; for the most effective CPR, the victim should be on a hard flat surface, otherwise the chest compressions are practically useless. A quick response time and proper technique is vital in emergency situations. Digging a hole would be basically digging their grave.
As someone that was a lifeguard for 9 years, I'm baffled at this lifeguard for her belief that you "need to dig a hole". Not only is it idiotic for the reason that you need a flat surface under the person, but it's also completely stupid for someone to have the idea of digging a hole. If you were to dig a hole, you're wasting time and risking that person dying.
I'm getting some vibes this story took place in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. The way OP described the location, the use of the word "province", and the attitude of the locals all fits with CB. Sounds like he was working on the Cabot Trail. :D
This is my second time hearing the story, and it's been killing me trying to figure it out. The part that makes me think it is not Cape Breton, is that I've never seen life guards there. Of course I'm from the mainland, so I've only been to that part of the province a few times and definitely haven't visited every beach. So it is possible that there could be lifeguards there? I was thinking it is more likely to be NB. The topography there is similar to NS.
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
I've heard this one on a different channel, but it's still a very good one. Holy shit Maggie got exactly what was coming to her. Sounds like everyone else on that beach wanted rid of her, and in the end they gave OP a reason to do so. Also hilarious to see that right at the end that everyone else in Maggie's family hated her and her mother. But I guess we all know where Maggie got her narcissim from now...
Chest compressions are to make the heart beat, not to force water out of the lungs. But yes, a hole under them would make compressions significantly less effective, or ineffective altogether.
To agree with all the other people that have commented on CPR practices, a firm sturdy dry surface area is the most ideal for CPR. Firm and dry is key . Your chest compressions may be impeded if the surface is not hard enough. Also if you dig a hole in the sand underneath the patient, there may be more moisture which can also affect the usage of the AED that is to be used in combination with CPR if available
i was a lifeguard in my youth (albeit almost 40 years ago). I worked mostly at the local man made city pools, but occasionally I'd be asked to work on the beach at a nearby lake. I had to assist with two CPR events while at the beach. The first time I pulled the woman out of the water while another guard brought a BACKBOARD to help solidify the ground and make it firmer. The second time the board was missing (another story for another day) and we just went to work. Digging a hole not only wastes time but would hinder the CPR efforts and possibly do other bodily harm. If Maggie would have been caught doing that by our supervisors (or had enough staff document and report it), she would have been immediately terminated and her certifications brought up for review.
R/Slash, many people here have commented how to do cpr correctly, so thanks everyone! I do personally suggest however that you take a cpr course for infants and keep a chart near where your daughter eats, so you feel confident in saving her life if it comes to it. We love her like our own, so keep baby/slash safe!
As a french person, the Coup de gras expression was frankly hilarious. It litterally means 'hit of fat'. The right expression is "coup de grâce" which would be the move to finally kill someone 😁
Finally, the great and powerful r/slash can use my knowledge! I’m a doctor, I have to know CPR. I’ve been through several CPR courses, though not one specifically for a lifeguard and I’m not an anaesthesiologist. 1) digging a hole is a waste of precious time. One needs to start right away with the CPR if it’s needed (need implies checking the pulse and breathing). Only two things you need to do before is call for help (CPR is very tiresome, it’s always good for several people to do it and the most experienced one to coordinate and/or apply intermediate/advanced life support alongside basic life support) *and* check if it’s safe for you to apply it (you cannot save anyone if you’re about to hurt and/or incapacitate yourself; you’re not being a hero, but an idiot). 2) unnecessary turning and carrying the patient without proper equipment could hurt them (further). Especially if they have broken bones. 3) you assume right; you want to perform CPR on a hard surface. Sand isn’t exactly hard, but it will support the patient well enough. Digging a hole behind their body will likely put strain on their spine and ribs, raising the risk of actually hurting your patient while you try to apply heart massage, especially if they’re old (old people’s cartilage and bones are more brittle than those of young people, especially children, and even a proper CPR can break their ribs).
I'm pretty late, but for a certain course I needed to get a CPR certification and one of the first things you learn is to make sure they're on a flat surface. She literally knows nothing unless she intentionally was trying to get OP to get fired via bad advice.
The excuse for what she said about CPR was that while doing it on sand you'll end up digging a hole under the patient by preforming the compressions. The quote 5:27 "If you don't have anything under them you'll dig a hole in the sand!" Basically she was saying that doing it on the sand like that was not a stable surface. Sand does not compress in that way, and the back of a person will make it a stable surface. So no hole will be dug by the patients back while doing the compressions.
Its been a few years since I learned CPR, but one of the key parts is making sure the person receiving is stable/on a firm and flat surface. I wasn't a lifeguard or anything of the sort, but I'd have to imagine sand being annoying for such purposes, even more so if you dug a hole under their back. Not to mention any injuries that might come from it. Lady was 100% BSing.
I mean others have said here that Sand isn't that bad considering it might seem soft and brittle but it can hold well. Making a hole however is what really messes with what Maggie's "pointers" were
--- Yeah, over here in Finland generally everyone that is not self-employed has gone through the "First Aid Course EA1" at least one time in their life, whether it's in any of the schools or even at workplace ( this necessarily doesn't mean everyone has a first-aid-card in the first place. Though some want a up-to-date "EA / FA1"-card on each of their faculty/workforce-member ). When I was in boy-scouts, we rehearsed all the first-aid at least once every 6-months. And in all of the schools, there was at least a day dedicated solely on first-aid which also included CPR. Over the years the "routines" have gotten far more simple ( especially the "recovery-position / semi-prone / NATO--coma-position" in which you adjust the patient to "stay-up" on their side ). But we've been also given various other new tools to train with most important being the wall-mounted emergency / automated external defibrillator (AED). ---
*rSlash, your request has been answered: I am a CPR Instructor Trainer (as well as an AFA Instructor Trainer): I train the instructors who train the people doing the CPR, so yes, I am qualified to answer your questions.* *CPR requires a firm surface under the patient in order to work. While sand is not perfect, it's close, because of it's high density and it's peculiar physical characteristics, i.e., it will conform to the shape of the patient as you proceed. In **_theory,_** I can **_maybe_** make an argument for Maggie's position on "digging a hole". If you take a moment to wipe away the dry sand to get to the wet sand, it would be minutely "stiffer", and therefore a slightly (although likely immeasurably) "better" surface, although, really, I doubt it. Realistically, there **_should_** be a backboard available to slide under your patient, and then CPR should proceed apace after being positioned upon the board.* *TLDR: While Maggie's position on "digging a hole" **_might_** be defensible **_in theory,_** in practice it would not be a practice that I would certify. Nevertheless, it's a an interesting question in an abstract kind of way, and I'll try to do a little research on it the next time I have an hour and nothing to do. "Maggie" gets an "F Minus: for being a ridiculous piece of work who is more interested in showing off than she is in potentially saving anyone who may need it. Further, her "retraining" of others could actually result in harm, thus violating the First Principle of Medicine ("First, Do No Harm"). Were she my lifeguard to recertify, I would fail her and have her start over from scratch - correctly.*
ER-RN of 30 years. CPR- we teach that the first thing to do is get your patient to a flat solid surface. Hospital beds are designed with a “CPR” Handle, which immediately drops the bed flat and raises a solid board under the mattress so that chest compressions are as effective as possible. Dig a hole under the patient? Why? Its a waste of time and energy. It would make more sense to lay the patient on a board, like a surf board or a back board. Someone didn’t understand the priciple of CPR or didn’t care that incorrect and useless steps are being advised.
I love spolied bosses, especially the ones that are legacy's. They always seem to think their shit does not stink. I do not care that this is a small town with little wealth. Seen it before , always very moronic bosses, who make life a bitch.
Today has been just awful for me, but im so glad I can just sit and breathe for 20 minutes with Rslash. This is one of few reasons I get up everyday, so thank you for everything Rslash. Sending love to you and everyone in this community.
When I took my first CPR course, the instructor taught us to perform chest compressions at the base of the person’s sternum, completely contrary to what our handbook (and common sense) said. When I took this to a higher-up, they confirmed that this was, indeed, an extremely bad idea, and could crush their diaphragm or cause the person’s lower ribs to fracture and dig inwards, potentially puncturing the lungs and suffocating them, not to mention having next to no effect on pumping blood through the heart. The instructor disappeared the next day, and we just continued with lifeguard training as if nothing had happened, but as I worked as a junior lifeguard the next summer I was in a state of constant terror that I had been taught something else wrong and would screw up someone else’s life with a critical mistake. Once I got through that summer, (luckily the worst thing I had to deal with was a little girl who wandered off the end of a dock and bobbed around in her life jacket until we found her), I never had the courage to go back to lifeguarding again 😬
18:04 just a little note on this, CPR isn’t about the lungs, it’s about manually pumping the heart. So yes, the digging a hole underneath is the WORST thing to do because you don’t have a surface to push against and thus can’t compress the heart to get blood pumping
I would have had her arrested for trespassing and breaking and entering instead of playing the long game. Betting she wouldn't qualify for the scholarship then and good luck on getting a decent job after that.
So Rslash, I think you misunderstood the story a little. Maggie wasn’t saying he needed to dig a hole before performing CPR-she was saying that if he didn’t have something under the patient, he would be pushing the sand underneath and effectively digging a hole while performing the CPR, and likely that it wouldn’t be as effective as a result or something. Basically: She was saying that he needed to put them on a solid surface and that sand doesn’t count. I am NOT CPR certified (took a course as a kid but it’s been years). But I do remember something about solid surface so like don’t lay them on a couch or bed to do the CPR-the ground is better.
"I certify people to teach other people how to train lifeguards" Lifeguard version of "There's a teacher who teaches teachers who teach teachers to teach."
If I had been the one who received the ketchup write up, I’d have recommended she get fired then and there. If you cannot understand the difference between ketchup and sriracha, and then assume someone is poisoning you because of your mistake, you don’t have the competence needed for a life guard position
I'm certified in CPR. One of the first things they teach you is to have a firm, flat surface under the person in need. Sand is already not the ideal environment, but digging a hole makes it worse as you could ruin the person's spine
Loved the sound effects at 10:10, I always love when Rslash goes the extra mile like this - like in a previous video when the story said the person yelled across the room so Rslash recorded that part of dialogue also yelling across the room, love it! XD
The thing is that you read it incorrectly, Rslash, according to the story she didn't say that you need to dig a hole before doing CPR, but that if you do CPR on sand without putting something underneath the person, you just dig a hole underneath them 5:24 (apparently she thinks that while doing chest compressions, the send is pushed aside and a hole is formed beneath the patient, so chest compressions are not effective enough), that's why he says that it "doesn't make sense" because he has "basic knowledge of physics that pushing on sand isn't the same thing as digging", which isn't a sensible response if your reading is correct.
Hi Firefighter here. To perform CPR you should preferably have an even and sturdy floor. Sand does work as it is sturdy when compressed under the weight of a body. Digging a hole is nonsense. It not only takes precious time away from continuing blood flow to the brain but also impair the effectiveness of the heart massage given by the helper. Don't be afraid to give CPR the person is already on deaths door. And a few broken ribs are better than a not beating heart. The attempt alone is better than doing nothing.
I'm new to your videos and have been watching for days in horrified fascination at the disgusting things people do,ask for and demand. What a world we live in.
I've been in Boy Scouts, First responder training, AND Pool life guard training. I have never heard of digging a hole for a patient in any of the courses. The issue here was that Maggie had it out for OP, and (Likely) felt he would outshine her, which resulted in all her negative traits being pulled into the light by OP.
I was a lifeguard for 2.5 years. Listening to this story physically made me cringe. I was the head lifeguard and helped trained new lifeguards coming in. Her level of "better than you" would have never flown at my work. I regularly wrote up guards that acted like that and I went out of my way to be nice to my guards. I always had amazing reviews from customers and other guards. That's how you're supposed to do it!
I've listened to this episode sooooo many times and only now do I finally understand what Maggie and OP were saying about CPR. The recommendation is to press on the sand, to compact it, so that it's solid and firm, so that you can perform CPS effectively and safely. But somehow, Maggie though this meant to dig a hole in the sand.
Living in a beach town we (my family and a lot of locals) call non-locals “blow ins”. Pre-COVID we had a ton of blow ins. With lock down we still have them with just a few less (easy to tell, they drive VERY slow pass the beach)
I honestly haven't taken a CPR class in years yet I still remember the first thing I was taught, put the person on a flat firm surface to ensure you do the chest compressions correctly 😅
Holy shoot, I was listening to your podcast on Spotify, and when the door knocking sound effect was used I goddamn pooped myself. I genuinely thought someone was breaking down MY door. Well done Rslash, you got me good!
Hey, I'm a certified to perform CPR and it has very little to do with the lungs and everything to do with the heart. The point of CPR is to keep the patient's blood pumping by forcefully beating their heart. You have to compress the chest down 5-6 cm (~2.5 cm) and digging a hole under the chest would make compressions completely ineffective.
I'm redcross cpr certified and lifeguard instructor certified. What I can say for certain is everything Maggie said was some grade A bullshit. The sand isn't an ideal place to do cpr, but digging a hole behind the patients back is infinitely worse. Plus it wastes valuable time you could've been saving this person's life.
CPR certified train attendant here, you are wasting time digging a hole, an seconds are valuable in such situations. Also you risk spinal fracturing on top of the ribs you'll break doing it RIGHT.
Yes, that was insanely incompetent of her. Digging a hole under the patient would not only take up crucial time, it would either be to small for their torso to fit in but would potentially take away from some of the pressure on their back while you pressed on their chest or if it was a big enough hole for their torso to fit in, then the patient isn't laying flat on their back... there is no scenario where this isn't a HUGE NO NO!
I was CPR certified once upon a time, and I have no idea what this "dig a hole" nonsense is about. They told me that chest compressions are by far the most important thing to be doing. Any time digging a hole is time not spent doing chest compressions.
That banging on the door scared the feck outta me, 🤣 then when you said "What's going on?" An ad for Malignant came suddenly and literally my soul left my body because I hadn't realized it was an ad at first 🤣 I just heard screaming!!
EMT-CC here. To do CPR effectively it is recommended to have a firm, flat surface under the patient. If they "dig a hole" under the patients back not only are chest compressions compromised in efficiency but there could also be spinal damage.
Yeah, that's what I thought too! I mean, if anyone would have taken her stupid advice seriously, they could have seriously hurt someone!
And from the story it sounded like OP was being told to dig a hole under the neck so that the head dips backwards, not only spinal damage but breaking the neck
Yep I am CPR certified and I have never been told about putting anything under a patient's back when doing CPR.
I was going to say the same thing. I was also thinking if you're on the beach, you should put the victim on a backboard if possible for more leverage.
This is exactly what i was going to say thank you from a nurse!
I think that it was a really good thing that Maggie DID NOT get into nursing school... most likely saved lives!
imagine if a patron got a heart attack in the bathtub, pretty sure she would just leave them.
Bullies like her always aim for jobs that give them power over vulnerable people- police, nursing, teachers.
@@etcetera1995 true, which is screwed up - I'm a nurse because I want to help people get better, but there's definitely people who are in the profession to go on a power trip. Usually, they end up moving up the management ladder either because they want even more power and/or to get them away from patient care because they usually suck at it!
@@TheKillerqueen40 It's infuriating- the job SHOULD attract the best in people, because they require compassion and intelligence and care for others. And of course they *do* attract decent people, I'm not so cynical as to think that *every* teacher hates children and every doctor is just out to pad their bank account. But the worse case examples stand out so much more than the ones who do their jobs for the right reason.
sad but true, i hope that her sister didn’t continue the petty childishness that mom and sis had
Hey, I’m CPR certified and what that lady said I’d possibly SOME OF THE WORST ADVICE FOR CPR EVER.
I mean, not to mention, with CPR, you need to start ASAP and not stop until ambulance/EMT take over.. if you waste time to dig a hole, that's vital moments that could result in the person not having oxygen, potentially causing brain damage or death.
And even if you have someone else dig the hole, once you start, you cant stop or move the person.
So that's just dumb advice from "Maggie"
And I only have basic CPR and First Aid certificates
And then there's movies where someone in desperation is just wailing on someone's chest, like straight up elbow drops, and the victim magically sits up and takes a deep breath.
Just a thought, but what if she gave that advice knowing it was bad so that OP could potentially screw up big time and get fired. If that's true, then she was willing to risk an innocent person's life just to get rid of someone she didn't like.
I'm not certified with anything and I know shite-all, but even I can imagine that doing CPR over a hole is a one way ticket to breaking someone's sternum XD
I know very rudimentary CPR (due to elderly people visiting my workplace and some elderly home care in the past), and the digging would not only waste time for life-saving but also not align their spine and position lungs/heart correctly to be able to save a life. If I may quote Dr Mike here on TH-cam: "Chest compressions. Chest compressions. Chest compressions"...
Why would she report OP for being naked in his own home?! That still baffles me. That lady's crazy, but I'm glad her cousin and the rest of her family seem pretty normal.
When a person "thinks" (and I'm using that term VERY LOOSELY) the world revolves around them, then, yeah...
I sort of hope he married the cousin.
@@GHOSTMAN262 Ngl, so do I.
Considering Maggie sounds like a prime narcissit, honestly I'm not surprised. Thank god that no-one else at the beach has to deal with her.
@Thomas Stahl More like blaming him for making children (more accurately, passionately hugging a woman) in his own home. He's not in public. The door was probably even locked. I kinda want to know how she got in.
Maggie was a danger to the patrons - being stoned and drunk, getting other people drunk and giving out poor CPR directions.
Not just getting other people drunk, getting a MINOR drunk. She should be in jail.
Maggie was made up like the rest of the post, the terms used were not even correct for life saving, becah captain LOL used it several times but the term is patrol captain.
@@Right-Is-Right People make mistakes.
@@Right-Is-Right Interesting - it's fair to assume that a good percentage of the stories on rslash are fictional.
However, not knowing for certain either way means that people, such as myself respond to them as if they were true.
And drugging people too
I can guarantee you Maggie wouldn’t have lasted more than a semester had she gotten into that nursing course. I know people who have been in nursing programs and it can get pretty cut throat and you can get booted for the smallest infractions. Her stupid “you’re doing it wrong, this is how you do it” bs and superiority complex would no doubt have gotten her kicked out almost immediately
I agree. I got through the program and graduated in December. She would have made so many enemies in the program with her attitude. She also did not have the right work ethic to study for those exams. She would have failed horribly
Then again, considering the power her mother has, I'm not surprised if she were to pass anyway...
Maggie: *literally breaks into OP's house*
Also Maggie: Op wAs nOt wEaRiNg cLoThEs aT hIs OwN hOmE!
Lady, you literally broke into OP'S home, that's criminal
no you see, she's above the law.
That's like a robber suing the owner of the house they broke into because they cut up their arm breaking the window
@@thefoxygamer1536 believe it or not people have tried this. And suing people for being naked in their own homes when they broke in.
@@EmperorZelos , not if she trespasses upon my property, then she leaves voluntarily or in a body bag.
@@hotarubinariko , people like that are reasons why disasters are on the rise.
rSlash's wife: "What's with all the banging?"
rSlash: "Don't worry, it's for my job!"
Time stamp pls
@@david-rr8pi 10:20
So, he's a prostitute?
And when he's dubbing from the kitchen to make a far away voice gets bewildered looks XD
OP made a whole epic for Maggie’s evaluation.
We need more leaders like that district manager and and less leaders like Maggie. I wouldn’t ever put my safety in hers hands.
Why do I get a feeling that link Mr. "Rick" put down is a Roll? I am not gonna touch it because the profile name and just the random link
The CPR part is the worst part of this for me. I think that she genuinely believes that instead of pushing whatever is inside of you out so you can breathe again, pushing you inside a hole in the ground will fix the problem
Maybe she's just preemptively digging the grave? Lol
prorevenge is the best subreddit, closely followed by maliciouscompliance. I'm so glad Slashy covers them both often.
Slashy? I like that nickname
I like "Slashy"😂
You forget Treelaw
@@Frost_Daddy slashy slash is amazing
LOL at “Slashy”; that’s cute
Maggie: *Bullies OP*
OP: "Hippity Hoppity, your life and scholarship is now my property."
*Someone else's
Maggie: BREAKS INTO OP'S HOUSE AT 5 AM
Op: hippity hoppity, get of my property!
You’re right about the cpr. A hole is an awful idea both because of less pressure and because sand is a great material to do things like cpr on because it’s very moldable yet stiff.
How fitting for an A-hole to dig A hole. On top of that, she was digging a hole for herself because she thought she could get away with her crappy, a-hole behavior. Always remember people: A-holes always dig a hole for themselves just because they believe they could get away with anything.
Not to mention they'll probably just slide into the hole once you push down to start CPR anyways.
It would also give you a greater chance of breaking the person’s ribs or spine.
@@KittenUndercover wow I didn't know that
@@KittenUndercover thanks
I’m CPR trained and can also confirm that your assessment of maggie’s “method” is correct. Her advice is dangerous nonsense.
Oh! So that's why everyone I've done CPR on has sued me. It all makes sense now.
hell I haven't trained for cpr in over 20 years and I still knew that it was wrong.
Rslash: *bangs on table.* "Huh what?" *Sound of door creaking open*
TH-cam: Perfect time for commercial.
Commerical: "Come down to Menards. Save big money"
Me: "Did OP just answer the door at 530am for a door to door Menards advertiser" lolololol
I got an ad too at the exact same time xD
I got an ad at that exact moment
Same here, but it was Mega Pills and it worked so beautifully
Hahaha
I got a yt premium ad
Hey Rslash, you're absolutely correct about the CPR thing. Along with not being as effective, having a hole under them would also take extremely valuable time away from actually saving the victim, when in most cases you only have a couple of minutes to actually react due to the fact that the brain can only survive without oxygen for a few minutes before tissue starts to die.
As a former Self-Aid and Buddy Care Instructor in the Air Force, you do NOT dig a hole under the person you are performing CPR to. You can do more harm, than good.
I think Rslash misread this. As I understood it, Maggie wasn't telling OP to dig a hole -- she was saying that he needed to put something under the person so that the chest compressions _wouldn't_ dig a hole.
You don't have beach captains in life saving either, you have patrol captains, don't worry the whole post was BS like much of reddit.
@@Ashebrethafe. Perhaps. Perhaps not. However, it is a stretch to claim that it will "dig a hole in the sand".
@@Right-Is-Right Except that, you know, different places have different titles for the same positions and roles.
@@scottkendrix6231 Well yes, so be sure I searched the title on the interwebz before commenting. There were a few more telltale signs that no matter where you are that are noticeable, like OP thinking that you could just do a course to transfer from being a pool lifeguard to a beach lifegurd and as a newb at the beach would be offered the 2IC role. Also if you are on patrol at the beach you don't just drop everything and train others, hell you would be shot for not you know, watching. But yeah, I only gave the first example because it is easily searchable.
I am laughing my ass off. OP had to put up with a lot of crap, but the way Maggie's cousin regarded OP like they were the legendary hero who slayed the dragon must of felt amazing.
The digging a hole under the person while doing cpr is such an incredibly bad idea. I can’t even think of why someone would need to do that and I’ve got literally nothing. It makes zero sense
My sinking feeling when Maggie said what she did about doing *that* was that she was trying to set OP up for a bad job-costing incident with deliberately wrong information. It does make her sound even more despicable than before, as Rslash pointed out as he knew it.
And she wanted to go to nursing school? while she gave advice that could leave someone paralyzed.
Who else was horrified that Maggie wanted to become a nurse?
the best part about this subreddit is that you'd read the first half and your blood starts to boil but then you remember the name of the subreddit and you just become satisfied knowing they're gonna get what they deserve
It's the little touches like actually knocking on the door that make this hands down the best reddit compilation channel. Like it's not even close
Ah yes,nothing better than a daily rslash vid along with my late night dinner at the graveyard shift at work , as i ignore my coursework 🥳 hope everyones having a great day/night!
Nice it's 3pm here.
9AM here
8 am here
@Never Gonna Give You Up 😜👇 I refuse
Rn it's 8am
I’m CPR certified for my job-I work with kids, but not on a beach. I’m a figure skating coach and I primarily coach groups of about 10 kids or adults, depending on the class. What they told us in training, is “if someone starts going into cardiac arrest, or something else happens and they need CPR, take off your jacket, lay it underneath them and use the hood as a pillow, then start CPR immediately. It ALWAYS has to be on a flat, even, stable surface”. On the beach, digging a hole in the ground when your performing emergency CPR is the exact opposite of what you’re supposed to do and be prepared for (according to the instructor who gave us the class and certification).
ProRevenge tip: If you have a toxic employee that you have to work with, document _everything_ that s/he does to you and to other co-workers. After enough evidence is gathered, present said evidence to the Manager, HR, or other relevant office that could deal with the problem.
i would make sure though that they would actually help first, pretty often the nasty is buddy-buddy with people higher on the food chain.
That's not really prorevenge though. That's handling workplace issues like you're supposed to. Prorevenge involves taking matters into your own hands.
@@velvety2006 especially said evidence summited 'mysteriously disappeared' after summitting them to them, so have some back-ups.
@@scottkendrix6231 I think the whole 'bye bye scholarship' is the revenge part. Op did handle it as you should in these cases but except advising they really did not have a say in the scholarship part.
@@velvety2006 I wasn't referring to this story, but the "prorevenge tip" that the original commenter on this thread gave.
I can't express how happy I am that Maggie did not get into nursing school. I know that people can change but I would not want to have her as my nurse if something was wrong.
Maggie had such a good life ahead of her, the job sounded like a job that cared about employees, she was on the track to be a nurse and she screws up like that?
1) She was certain her life was set, so she felt she could do whatever she wanted.
2) People treated her like a princess, so she felt it was her right to grind them into the dirt, expecting them to thank her.
TL;DR, she let the power go WAY to her head.
I'm thankful to hear about what happened to Maggie.....could you honestly see her as a nurse in an ER ward??? IF she graduated, she's probably end up at one of those fly-by-night cosmetic surgery clinics where some poor woman dies just because she wanted to get rid of a slight tummy roll.
I subscribed because you present these items so well. Then you did two things: gave a wannabe TH-cam pro some kind and wise advice. You said you have to make 100 bad videos before you make one good one, etc. Then you read a CB post where the beggar went back and forth with a therapist who could nor fit her kid into his schedule. The way you alternated voices gave such a perfect picture of her I wished the button said "Love" instead of "like." I decided to binge your Playlist and like each one. (Munch on that, algorithm!) The more time I spent enjoying your gentle but spot on humor tne more I knew that I had to offer more support. After all, anyone who isn't a Choosing Beggar knows that money is how we honor people's time and talents. So you have a new patron. Keep sifting stories and I will be listening and enjoying. Thank you!
This story was all sorts of f’d up. That girl didn’t get enough revenge on her…but I am sad that OP didn’t end up dating her cousin. 😂😂😂 That’s one twist that I would have enjoyed.
I think OP decided he didn't want to risk any more interactions with the turd if he did date her cousin, at least that's what I figured.
@@RiptoGakt Or maybe they didn't have any chemistry? I just don't think you should date someone entirely to hurt another. That's screwed up.
Honestly, having Maggie suffer in the harsh reality of life is the best revenge of all. Because she saw her own little world just fall apart due to her entitlement and stupidity. Now that she doesn't have that, she's learning the hard way that life isn't so forgiving when you have your head so far up your ass. I mean, she lost her scholarship and got KICKED OUT of the college course in her second year. Better yet, if she doesn't straighten up soon, it's just gonna get much harder and harder.
I was low-key hoping they'd date, too. I hope they're at least lifelong friends lol
@@Xolivas1 not only that but her family got some third degree which is good Maggie's awful but she's a product of her upbringing, and her parents are obviously the type to be more concerned with "What will the neighbors think" over actually being parents, so they run around thinking the best course of action is shielding her from consequence rather then teaching her actions have consequences
"Ain't it fun living in the real world" - Paramore
Just passed my Standard First aid course in May, and omg. Digging the hole would not only compromise the stability of the patient you're working on, (uneven surfaces + compressions = high chance of spinal injury), but to take the time to dig the hole could in some cases kill the patient. Time is not your friend when the person literally cannot breathe, or their heart is not pumping. When you are doing CPR, you are in a sense that person's heart and lungs. If you dig a hole under them, their chances of surviving plummet. I cannot express just how relieved I am that that woman did not make it into nursing.
I know CPR and digging a hole under the person is an incredibly bad idea because for it to be the most effective it had to be done on a hard flat surface like the ground! Not on the bed or in a hole
oh, the digging a hole was miscommunication, she said "if you do CPR in the sand you will end up digging a hole", for starters that's not how regular sand works, you will not end up buried on the sand by someone doing pressure on your chest... she was literally making up lies about how Op was doing something wrong when he wasn't.
@@Dewani90 I know she was making up a lie but now things do male a lot more sense so thanks 😄
I think what Maggie was saying was that "if you do CPR on the beach without a back-board, the chest compressions would cause the body to dig a hole". It's different than your interpretation of what she said, but just as ridiculous.
This is how I heard it too.
If that's the case then, depending on the type of sand, that's actually solid advice. I've been around CPR being done on loose desert sand, and we got a hard board, which the medic requested. It was the type of sand that only packs together after you sink into it, like snow. Not what you want when you need to perform CPR and every second counts. So, while the medic was getting the patient ready to receive CPR, we broke the legs off a table. No idea what happened to the guy, but he was breathing when he got onto the medevac.
@@nightfly4664 Thank you for your service.
10:10 - 10:18 I like when rSlash does stuff like this to add immersion to a story, lol
Lifeguard here for almost 7 years. Have been told that the surface more or less doesn't care (You only need a stable one), for CPR. So as long as the ground is flat, and nothing can give more damage to the person, the better.
The only time you need to think about the surface is when using the defibrillator, on a dry space, since you guessed it) it gives a shock with electricity.
So as long as you can have the person on a stable surface, with more or less nothing under their back, you are fine to do CPR.
I had a similar ‘rookie’ interaction when training as a dental assistant. One of the actual dental assistants at my work prac kept calling ‘freshie’, saying that most of the freshies don’t last because of the smells from peoples dirty mouths, halitosis and stuff.
I let her go on and on and at the end of my first day zi told her that bad smells won’t be an issue since I was born without a sense of smell.
I also passed my pracs with flying colours.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog does it affect your sense of taste?
I too was a lifeguard instructor/examiner and a First Aid Instructor/Examiner. Never have I heard of digging a hole underneath a victim. You are correct; for the most effective CPR, the victim should be on a hard flat surface, otherwise the chest compressions are practically useless. A quick response time and proper technique is vital in emergency situations. Digging a hole would be basically digging their grave.
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As someone that was a lifeguard for 9 years, I'm baffled at this lifeguard for her belief that you "need to dig a hole". Not only is it idiotic for the reason that you need a flat surface under the person, but it's also completely stupid for someone to have the idea of digging a hole. If you were to dig a hole, you're wasting time and risking that person dying.
I'm getting some vibes this story took place in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia. The way OP described the location, the use of the word "province", and the attitude of the locals all fits with CB. Sounds like he was working on the Cabot Trail. :D
This is my second time hearing the story, and it's been killing me trying to figure it out. The part that makes me think it is not Cape Breton, is that I've never seen life guards there. Of course I'm from the mainland, so I've only been to that part of the province a few times and definitely haven't visited every beach. So it is possible that there could be lifeguards there? I was thinking it is more likely to be NB. The topography there is similar to NS.
I was definitely thinking Canada East Coast, but when he mentions mountains, can it be maybe Newfoundland? Maybe in Gros Morne?
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
@@clairepeichl5407 Come-from-away is definitely east coast but beaches in Nfld. are rocks not sand that you can dig a hole into with your hands. Not sure if Gros Morne has sandy beaches or not but the ones I was at in Botwood and Point Leamington were rocks. Great for skipping stones
I used to be a certified Lifeguard and the whole thing about digging a hole is total BS. That just makes it harder to get any water out.
Those sound effects legitimately made me laugh. Good job, rSlash!
I've heard this one on a different channel, but it's still a very good one. Holy shit Maggie got exactly what was coming to her. Sounds like everyone else on that beach wanted rid of her, and in the end they gave OP a reason to do so. Also hilarious to see that right at the end that everyone else in Maggie's family hated her and her mother. But I guess we all know where Maggie got her narcissim from now...
Chest compressions are to make the heart beat, not to force water out of the lungs. But yes, a hole under them would make compressions significantly less effective, or ineffective altogether.
To agree with all the other people that have commented on CPR practices, a firm sturdy dry surface area is the most ideal for CPR. Firm and dry is key . Your chest compressions may be impeded if the surface is not hard enough. Also if you dig a hole in the sand underneath the patient, there may be more moisture which can also affect the usage of the AED that is to be used in combination with CPR if available
I actually listen to these videos during work, it’s kind of become part of my daily routine to be honest
Same
Don't get caught.
I know CPR, and you should never dig a hole under somebody. Like you said, their chest will just collapse in on itself. You were right.
you know, hearing so many stories about bullys ending up as nurses, im not surprised that Maggie wanted to become one
i was a lifeguard in my youth (albeit almost 40 years ago). I worked mostly at the local man made city pools, but occasionally I'd be asked to work on the beach at a nearby lake. I had to assist with two CPR events while at the beach. The first time I pulled the woman out of the water while another guard brought a BACKBOARD to help solidify the ground and make it firmer. The second time the board was missing (another story for another day) and we just went to work. Digging a hole not only wastes time but would hinder the CPR efforts and possibly do other bodily harm. If Maggie would have been caught doing that by our supervisors (or had enough staff document and report it), she would have been immediately terminated and her certifications brought up for review.
R/Slash, many people here have commented how to do cpr correctly, so thanks everyone! I do personally suggest however that you take a cpr course for infants and keep a chart near where your daughter eats, so you feel confident in saving her life if it comes to it. We love her like our own, so keep baby/slash safe!
What?????!!!!!
That brat wanted to be a nurse?! As an RN, I thank YOU OP! she sounds like a nightmare to deal with!
Maggie: *digging a hole under drowning victim*
Swimmer: * cough *L…LOOK AT…MY LIFEGUARD* coughs *DAWG!! IMMA BOUT TO-
As a french person, the Coup de gras expression was frankly hilarious.
It litterally means 'hit of fat'. The right expression is "coup de grâce" which would be the move to finally kill someone 😁
Yeah,i was like "wait,what?" when i heard it. :p
Finally, the great and powerful r/slash can use my knowledge!
I’m a doctor, I have to know CPR. I’ve been through several CPR courses, though not one specifically for a lifeguard and I’m not an anaesthesiologist.
1) digging a hole is a waste of precious time. One needs to start right away with the CPR if it’s needed (need implies checking the pulse and breathing). Only two things you need to do before is call for help (CPR is very tiresome, it’s always good for several people to do it and the most experienced one to coordinate and/or apply intermediate/advanced life support alongside basic life support) *and* check if it’s safe for you to apply it (you cannot save anyone if you’re about to hurt and/or incapacitate yourself; you’re not being a hero, but an idiot).
2) unnecessary turning and carrying the patient without proper equipment could hurt them (further). Especially if they have broken bones.
3) you assume right; you want to perform CPR on a hard surface. Sand isn’t exactly hard, but it will support the patient well enough. Digging a hole behind their body will likely put strain on their spine and ribs, raising the risk of actually hurting your patient while you try to apply heart massage, especially if they’re old (old people’s cartilage and bones are more brittle than those of young people, especially children, and even a proper CPR can break their ribs).
I'm pretty late, but for a certain course I needed to get a CPR certification and one of the first things you learn is to make sure they're on a flat surface. She literally knows nothing unless she intentionally was trying to get OP to get fired via bad advice.
I love these longer stories! You space them out well and it is nice to hear them when they come along.
The excuse for what she said about CPR was that while doing it on sand you'll end up digging a hole under the patient by preforming the compressions. The quote 5:27 "If you don't have anything under them you'll dig a hole in the sand!" Basically she was saying that doing it on the sand like that was not a stable surface. Sand does not compress in that way, and the back of a person will make it a stable surface. So no hole will be dug by the patients back while doing the compressions.
Its been a few years since I learned CPR, but one of the key parts is making sure the person receiving is stable/on a firm and flat surface. I wasn't a lifeguard or anything of the sort, but I'd have to imagine sand being annoying for such purposes, even more so if you dug a hole under their back. Not to mention any injuries that might come from it. Lady was 100% BSing.
I mean others have said here that Sand isn't that bad considering it might seem soft and brittle but it can hold well. Making a hole however is what really messes with what Maggie's "pointers" were
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Yeah, over here in Finland generally everyone that is not self-employed has gone through the "First Aid Course EA1" at least one time in their life, whether it's in any of the schools or even at workplace
( this necessarily doesn't mean everyone has a first-aid-card in the first place. Though some want a up-to-date "EA / FA1"-card on each of their faculty/workforce-member ).
When I was in boy-scouts, we rehearsed all the first-aid at least once every 6-months.
And in all of the schools, there was at least a day dedicated solely on first-aid which also included CPR.
Over the years the "routines" have gotten far more simple
( especially the "recovery-position / semi-prone / NATO--coma-position" in which you adjust the patient to "stay-up" on their side ).
But we've been also given various other new tools to train with most important being the wall-mounted emergency / automated external defibrillator (AED).
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*rSlash, your request has been answered: I am a CPR Instructor Trainer (as well as an AFA Instructor Trainer): I train the instructors who train the people doing the CPR, so yes, I am qualified to answer your questions.*
*CPR requires a firm surface under the patient in order to work. While sand is not perfect, it's close, because of it's high density and it's peculiar physical characteristics, i.e., it will conform to the shape of the patient as you proceed. In **_theory,_** I can **_maybe_** make an argument for Maggie's position on "digging a hole". If you take a moment to wipe away the dry sand to get to the wet sand, it would be minutely "stiffer", and therefore a slightly (although likely immeasurably) "better" surface, although, really, I doubt it. Realistically, there **_should_** be a backboard available to slide under your patient, and then CPR should proceed apace after being positioned upon the board.*
*TLDR: While Maggie's position on "digging a hole" **_might_** be defensible **_in theory,_** in practice it would not be a practice that I would certify. Nevertheless, it's a an interesting question in an abstract kind of way, and I'll try to do a little research on it the next time I have an hour and nothing to do. "Maggie" gets an "F Minus: for being a ridiculous piece of work who is more interested in showing off than she is in potentially saving anyone who may need it. Further, her "retraining" of others could actually result in harm, thus violating the First Principle of Medicine ("First, Do No Harm"). Were she my lifeguard to recertify, I would fail her and have her start over from scratch - correctly.*
Great timing! I literally just finished listening to an old vid when I got the notification.
ER-RN of 30 years. CPR- we teach that the first thing to do is get your patient to a flat solid surface. Hospital beds are designed with a “CPR” Handle, which immediately drops the bed flat and raises a solid board under the mattress so that chest compressions are as effective as possible. Dig a hole under the patient? Why? Its a waste of time and energy. It would make more sense to lay the patient on a board, like a surf board or a back board. Someone didn’t understand the priciple of CPR or didn’t care that incorrect and useless steps are being advised.
I love spolied bosses, especially the ones that are legacy's. They always seem to think their shit does not stink. I do not care that this is a small town with little wealth. Seen it before , always very moronic bosses, who make life a bitch.
Today has been just awful for me, but im so glad I can just sit and breathe for 20 minutes with Rslash. This is one of few reasons I get up everyday, so thank you for everything Rslash. Sending love to you and everyone in this community.
When I took my first CPR course, the instructor taught us to perform chest compressions at the base of the person’s sternum, completely contrary to what our handbook (and common sense) said. When I took this to a higher-up, they confirmed that this was, indeed, an extremely bad idea, and could crush their diaphragm or cause the person’s lower ribs to fracture and dig inwards, potentially puncturing the lungs and suffocating them, not to mention having next to no effect on pumping blood through the heart. The instructor disappeared the next day, and we just continued with lifeguard training as if nothing had happened, but as I worked as a junior lifeguard the next summer I was in a state of constant terror that I had been taught something else wrong and would screw up someone else’s life with a critical mistake.
Once I got through that summer, (luckily the worst thing I had to deal with was a little girl who wandered off the end of a dock and bobbed around in her life jacket until we found her), I never had the courage to go back to lifeguarding again 😬
18:04 just a little note on this, CPR isn’t about the lungs, it’s about manually pumping the heart. So yes, the digging a hole underneath is the WORST thing to do because you don’t have a surface to push against and thus can’t compress the heart to get blood pumping
I am CPR certified and you never have to put anything under the patient's back no matter the ground type.
I would have had her arrested for trespassing and breaking and entering instead of playing the long game.
Betting she wouldn't qualify for the scholarship then and good luck on getting a decent job after that.
I hope that everyone is having a good Sunday!
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So Rslash, I think you misunderstood the story a little.
Maggie wasn’t saying he needed to dig a hole before performing CPR-she was saying that if he didn’t have something under the patient, he would be pushing the sand underneath and effectively digging a hole while performing the CPR, and likely that it wouldn’t be as effective as a result or something. Basically: She was saying that he needed to put them on a solid surface and that sand doesn’t count.
I am NOT CPR certified (took a course as a kid but it’s been years). But I do remember something about solid surface so like don’t lay them on a couch or bed to do the CPR-the ground is better.
I wish I was a hard worker, or even remotely a worker, or even remotely intelligent enough to get a job
"I certify people to teach other people how to train lifeguards" Lifeguard version of "There's a teacher who teaches teachers who teach teachers to teach."
I wonder how many lives Maggie's "expertise" put at risk, or even lost.
If I had been the one who received the ketchup write up, I’d have recommended she get fired then and there. If you cannot understand the difference between ketchup and sriracha, and then assume someone is poisoning you because of your mistake, you don’t have the competence needed for a life guard position
I'm certified in CPR. One of the first things they teach you is to have a firm, flat surface under the person in need. Sand is already not the ideal environment, but digging a hole makes it worse as you could ruin the person's spine
Yo, that practical effect you added in for the door being knocked on scared the heck out of me lol love to hear more of that stuff in the future
If she didn’t pull all of those hostile stunts, she would have achieved her dreams. Karma at its finest.
I'm certified in CPR, first aid, trauma aid and how to use a defibrillator and can confidently say that isn't how you give CPR.
What timing! I JUST made myself some tea!!
got breakfast in the microwave
Me too!!
Loved the sound effects at 10:10, I always love when Rslash goes the extra mile like this - like in a previous video when the story said the person yelled across the room so Rslash recorded that part of dialogue also yelling across the room, love it! XD
The thing is that you read it incorrectly, Rslash, according to the story she didn't say that you need to dig a hole before doing CPR, but that if you do CPR on sand without putting something underneath the person, you just dig a hole underneath them 5:24 (apparently she thinks that while doing chest compressions, the send is pushed aside and a hole is formed beneath the patient, so chest compressions are not effective enough), that's why he says that it "doesn't make sense" because he has "basic knowledge of physics that pushing on sand isn't the same thing as digging", which isn't a sensible response if your reading is correct.
Hi Firefighter here. To perform CPR you should preferably have an even and sturdy floor. Sand does work as it is sturdy when compressed under the weight of a body. Digging a hole is nonsense. It not only takes precious time away from continuing blood flow to the brain but also impair the effectiveness of the heart massage given by the helper.
Don't be afraid to give CPR the person is already on deaths door. And a few broken ribs are better than a not beating heart. The attempt alone is better than doing nothing.
I'm new to your videos and have been watching for days in horrified fascination at the disgusting things people do,ask for and demand. What a world we live in.
I've been in Boy Scouts, First responder training, AND Pool life guard training. I have never heard of digging a hole for a patient in any of the courses. The issue here was that Maggie had it out for OP, and (Likely) felt he would outshine her, which resulted in all her negative traits being pulled into the light by OP.
this just made my night. 1am? who cares! rSlash posted!
I was a lifeguard for 2.5 years. Listening to this story physically made me cringe. I was the head lifeguard and helped trained new lifeguards coming in. Her level of "better than you" would have never flown at my work. I regularly wrote up guards that acted like that and I went out of my way to be nice to my guards. I always had amazing reviews from customers and other guards. That's how you're supposed to do it!
this is a one crazy story of Maggie
I've listened to this episode sooooo many times and only now do I finally understand what Maggie and OP were saying about CPR. The recommendation is to press on the sand, to compact it, so that it's solid and firm, so that you can perform CPS effectively and safely. But somehow, Maggie though this meant to dig a hole in the sand.
Earlier than usual, nice!
5:30 AM, and I hear *banging on door sound effect* “an official message from Medicare:” 😂
Living in a beach town we (my family and a lot of locals) call non-locals “blow ins”. Pre-COVID we had a ton of blow ins. With lock down we still have them with just a few less (easy to tell, they drive VERY slow pass the beach)
I honestly haven't taken a CPR class in years yet I still remember the first thing I was taught, put the person on a flat firm surface to ensure you do the chest compressions correctly 😅
Holy shoot, I was listening to your podcast on Spotify, and when the door knocking sound effect was used I goddamn pooped myself. I genuinely thought someone was breaking down MY door. Well done Rslash, you got me good!
Hey, I'm a certified to perform CPR and it has very little to do with the lungs and everything to do with the heart. The point of CPR is to keep the patient's blood pumping by forcefully beating their heart. You have to compress the chest down 5-6 cm (~2.5 cm) and digging a hole under the chest would make compressions completely ineffective.
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I'm redcross cpr certified and lifeguard instructor certified. What I can say for certain is everything Maggie said was some grade A bullshit. The sand isn't an ideal place to do cpr, but digging a hole behind the patients back is infinitely worse. Plus it wastes valuable time you could've been saving this person's life.
Please can we get some more tree law
CPR certified train attendant here, you are wasting time digging a hole, an seconds are valuable in such situations. Also you risk spinal fracturing on top of the ribs you'll break doing it RIGHT.
Yes, that was insanely incompetent of her. Digging a hole under the patient would not only take up crucial time, it would either be to small for their torso to fit in but would potentially take away from some of the pressure on their back while you pressed on their chest or if it was a big enough hole for their torso to fit in, then the patient isn't laying flat on their back... there is no scenario where this isn't a HUGE NO NO!
17:18
Lifeguard: "Hang on, Bro!!! I gotta dig to save you!!!"
Swimmer: *patiently drowning....
I was CPR certified once upon a time, and I have no idea what this "dig a hole" nonsense is about. They told me that chest compressions are by far the most important thing to be doing. Any time digging a hole is time not spent doing chest compressions.
That banging on the door scared the feck outta me, 🤣 then when you said "What's going on?" An ad for Malignant came suddenly and literally my soul left my body because I hadn't realized it was an ad at first 🤣 I just heard screaming!!