You mentioned cannot assign the shutter button to record video you can assign the shutter button to record video, took some time to relies how to set the option
yes, you are right... what I meant to say is that on the older models there was two options for the re-assignment of the shutter button (shutter button or record button) whereas on the OM-1 there is only one option for reassignment (off or record button). So on the older models the shutter button could be used for obtaining focus in video mode or reassigned to start video recording whereas on the OM-1 it either does nothing i.e. "Off" or it can start video recording. So I think they are using that signal for the remote wireless trigger. Thanks for highlighting this mistake 🙌 . I will pin this comment in case the mistake is creating confusion for others.
@@RadCameraMan that would be correct as my my OMD EMI I can assign the record to the shuttle button and if you half press the shutter button it will allow you to focus first, clearly this is an ideal option over assign a different button to press for focus then the have to then press the shutter button to record, additionally mention cannot change ISO when in movie mode I have also found you can assign the ISO button in movie selection and iso will highlight in green when you press the ISO button then you can use the top back wheel to change iso at smaller increments than if you touch the screen and tap the iso back or forward arrows, Personally if it was not for the need to upgrade my video requirements I would have continued using my OMD-EMI that I have had from when they were first introduced unfortunately the video out was only to view images and video stored on the memory card and needed to use a monitor live view so the upgrade was required. I initially and still have my 2 E3 4/3 then invested in the micro system the OMD-EMI even with the battery grip on is far better quality designed and finished form fit camera than the OM-1 it’s oversized and I have large hands and cannot understand the idea of placing the right side strap lug up above as it gets in way there was sufficient room to mount on the side just above the M card area, placing the menu button on the left side was stupid they must have to much sarkie that day when thinking that one up 😀 Overall the cameras finish quality has gone backwards by about 20 years. I had high expectation based on my pror OLY camera purchases, it is clear OM is strapped for cash given the need to make the same camera and rebadged with minor cosmetic changes and such a big increase in the price for the OM -1.2. In such a short time of the OM-1. Given the very negative position of OM in their attitude to even basic update’s for the OM-1 it’s clear reading between the lines they have lost technical staff, or never had them in the transition from Olympus and now trying to put out the fire of the current running partition forcing them to actually finally respond as to the promised software updates for the OM-1 and what they intend to provide is embarrassing and smacks in the face of all supporter’s of the OM company in purchasing the flagship OM-1 camera.
Apologies for the late reply, your message had been filtered by TH-cam so I didn't see it earlier. Regarding the re-assignment of the ISO button and turning the dial, that doesn't work while video recording is in progress. Otherwise prior to starting video it works fine but it is during video recording that I would like to have quick physical access for changing the ISO. Regarding the E3 camera and placement of the eyelets, I agree completely. If Olympus didn't have that type of design previously I would assume that they know any better or that they don't have the necessary manufacturing means to create it but they did have good ergonomics in their older cameras, so I am not aware of the reasoning behind this design decision, and I don't think this is related to size because it is the same on the E-M1X which is a relatively large camera. I was happy with the E-M1X and E-M1 III and the only reason I upgraded to the OM-1 was for the 4K60 video which I really wanted. If the 1080p60 video quality was good on the previous Olympus cameras, I would have continued using those but even the 1080p at 60fps was line skipped and really blury hence I upgraded to the OM-1. As for the future of OM System, we just have to wait and hope for the best. I know they outsource most of their R&D to other companies including to Olympus and Sigma so I expect them to move very slowly and have very rigid limited changes in the future. They have a lot of unique and superior aspects to their cameras so I really hope they fix these trivial issues.
I only wish I saw this video before purchasing (and then the hassle of returning) the camera. Your analysis of the ergonomics/buttons/dials is on point. You are right re: the downgrade in color science, and in my experience the EVF and LCD color completely do not match with each other nevermind even the live scene. One real big annoyance for me is that a button cannot be assigned to enable the front dial for managing WB while the back dial manages +/- exposure (or vice versa)l. This is one of the most used features on my Pen-F, yet this latest powerful camera only allows one function to be managed by both the front and back dial?? A tad simplistic for such a computational beast no?
I agree with your take. I have spent a crazy amount of money on Olympus gear. So I really want them to make a better camera but my hopes have started to fade. I mainly use my cameras for videography as opposed to photography and I have started using Panasonic Lumix micro four third cameras more and more. The Lumix cameras are still not as good as Olympus when it comes to stabilisation, battery life, ergonomics, and colour science (previous generation of Olympus cameras) but the Lumix cameras have continuously improved and have a lot of other superior features since Olympus has not improved significantly in the last few years. So I don't know what to expect going forward from Olympus but if they don't improve and even regress in some areas, I can't see myself buying their newer cameras over the Panasonic equivalent.
No, none of the problems have been completely fixed but some of the problems have been partially tackled. For example a larger buffer helps taking more sequential shots, and in terms of ergonomics, the dials have been created with different material, the menu system has some touch functionality and the delete button can be re-assigned to function as the menu button when browsing the menu. But overall the problems mentioned here still exist in the Mark 2, see the following video for the details: th-cam.com/video/lx8c-0wvQ-E/w-d-xo.html
Yes, I agree. I must admit I don't use the face recognition for video recording because I tried it a few times and it still wasn't reliable enough for me to use but for photography the face and eye detection is good 👌
@@RadCameraManfor taking shots for my little one, the chance to capture in focus is indeed improved a lot compared to my EM1ii, the ergo stuff really made me feel to switch to EM1iii instead. The dial is really not operating in good touch as they were, it lacks the smoothness to operate. Feeling like cost reduction on the material, not as premium material, texture we had in the past.
I dabbled on the Olympus m43rds back in the early generation and I'm always partial to their color interpretation which from what I remember struck a balance between pleasing and accurate...several years later i'm looking into buying the OM-1...and all other reviews and thread discussions don't seem to indicate your opinion WRT to color accuracy. It would have nice if you had a few pictures in the video (or a link to photos that will show the issue) that highlight these issues (preferably comparing with the older generation it replaced) That said, this is an informative video and a stark contrast to other review and/or opinion videos about the OM-1 where they seem to just gush on the camera.
I will look into creating a video to compare the colours with previous generation of Olympus cameras but it will take me some time to do it. ⏳ I hope you don't need this immediately. Regarding the high levels of praise that all cameras receive on TH-cam; it is because there are financial incentives that encourages it, sometimes directly but most of the time indirectly.
@@RadCameraMan i would appreciate it; take your time to get it right...i know it's a pain going through such exercise, but it provides great value to anyone looking into buying into the OM system. i'm sure i'm not the only one at this point.😆 you are absolutely right about the other "reviews" on YT which are primarily for financial incentives so I (and among others, i'm sure) appreciate reviews like this (which i attempt in my own channel...albeit failing miserably 😀)...even though the YT recommendation algorithm is working very hard to bury them.
I can attest to the color issue. The pre OM-System cameras by Olympus rendered colors beautifully (which you so well put as a balance between pleasing and accurate). I am absolutely shocked there is not more reviews mentioning the downgrade in color science. I purchased OM-1 Mark ii for the GND and was so disappointed with how desaturated the colors are (same settings as my other 6 Olympus cameras). The EVF constantly show flat and very desaturated colors while the LCD was closer to expectation. I decided to go back and buy EM-1 MkIII one of Olympus greats and last cameras. The other gripe-the body is chunkier and there is no longer effort for beautiful design.
Thanks for the comparison. One question: Is the difference between the Olympus markIII and the OM 1, when it comes to fast subjects, like birds, so great that it is worth the money to upgrade, with limited finances?
No, in my opinion it is not worth upgrading from the E-M1 III to the OM-1, but to answer your question about the speed of taking pictures of birds; if you are using the mechanical shutter which makes noise then there is no difference between OM-1 and EM1 Mark 3 in terms of rolling shutter and in terms of the number of pictures being taken sequentially the E-M1 III can take 15 frames per second whereas the OM-1 can only take 10 frames per second. So the E-M1 III is in fact better. However if you are using the electronic silent shutter then the OM-1 is better - much better! because it has substantially less rolling shutter effect. Also, if you are using the pre-capture feature which uses the electronic shutter then the OM-1 is much better. Another feature which the OM-1 and E-M1X have is "bird" subject detection and focusing which the E-M1 III does not have. So overall even though the OM-1 does have some advantages, in my opinion it is not worth the upgrade from the E-M1 III particularly considering the cost vs. the additional features.
The OM-1 Mark II was released today. Based on the videos that have been released about the Mark 2, it seems like some issues has been addressed but the majority of the problems remain. Almost all of the new features in the OM-1 Mark 2 are firmware updates. So they could make those firmware updates available for the original OM-1 even if they want to charge us for it.
@@RadCameraMan There have been several firmware upgrades on the mark I version. Do any of them address the problem? Second point, the OM-1 is now $1100 with discounts. OM-1 MKii is $1800. Is the MKi making sense financially now?
To me, no matter what computational wizardry is available, deadbeat colors and over digitized lifeless images compared to previous Olympus cameras, is a deal breaker. From my experience this is still the case in…so not fixed in OM-1 Mkii
Thanks for the info. You´re alright about those disadvantages even most of them aren´t affected me just because I don´t use video mode very often, for example. Anyway the OM System cameras are not professional cameras they´re just advanced toys for amateur photographers. I owned the EM1KII which I really enjoyed it a lot as a macro shooter, great colours, super high focus braketing speed thar was an excellent camera. Now with the OM1 and the 300mm+MC14 I´ve started with bird photography and as a walkn around camera is good enough but far far away for my old trusty Canon 5DMKII in terms of colours, noise etc. The noise on this camera is just terrible you only have to zoom in 100% and even with 400ISO and will see lot of noise like melted pixels, I just hated. The colours for me, like you said are not looking good even compared with the EM1MKII and 12 bits raw it´s just not enough. Lots of computational features and quite a few lenses a bit more lightweight but definitely NOT! Probably i´ll still using the OM1 only for macro but for other styles of shooting clearly not. Best all!!!!!!
The main reason I still use Olympus or OM System cameras is because of its video stabilisation for handheld moving shots otherwise I would just use the Panasonic Lumix GH6 or GH5 II which I use when I am using a tripod or monopod since those have worse stabilisation but better video features.
Yes, 100%. The thing is that the stabilisation is very good on Olympus cameras and no other camera comes close to it otherwise I would just use Panasonic cameras (e.g. gh5m2, gh6) since they are better for video work but their stabilisation is not as good for video work.
You mentioned cannot assign the shutter button to record video you can assign the shutter button to record video, took some time to relies how to set the option
yes, you are right... what I meant to say is that on the older models there was two options for the re-assignment of the shutter button (shutter button or record button) whereas on the OM-1 there is only one option for reassignment (off or record button).
So on the older models the shutter button could be used for obtaining focus in video mode or reassigned to start video recording whereas on the OM-1 it either does nothing i.e. "Off" or it can start video recording.
So I think they are using that signal for the remote wireless trigger.
Thanks for highlighting this mistake 🙌 . I will pin this comment in case the mistake is creating confusion for others.
@@RadCameraMan that would be correct as my my OMD EMI I can assign the record to the shuttle button and if you half press the shutter button it will allow you to focus first, clearly this is an ideal option over assign a different button to press for focus then the have to then press the shutter button to record, additionally mention cannot change ISO when in movie mode I have also found you can assign the ISO button in movie selection and iso will highlight in green when you press the ISO button then you can use the top back wheel to change iso at smaller increments than if you touch the screen and tap the iso back or forward arrows,
Personally if it was not for the need to upgrade my video requirements I would have continued using my OMD-EMI that I have had from when they were first introduced unfortunately the video out was only to view images and video stored on the memory card and needed to use a monitor live view so the upgrade was required. I initially and still have my 2 E3 4/3 then invested in the micro system the OMD-EMI even with the battery grip on is far better quality designed and finished form fit camera than the OM-1 it’s oversized and I have large hands and cannot understand the idea of placing the right side strap lug up above as it gets in way there was sufficient room to mount on the side just above the M card area, placing the menu button on the left side was stupid they must have to much sarkie that day when thinking that one up 😀
Overall the cameras finish quality has gone backwards by about 20 years. I had high expectation based on my pror OLY camera purchases, it is clear OM is strapped for cash given the need to make the same camera and rebadged with minor cosmetic changes and such a big increase in the price for the OM -1.2. In such a short time of the OM-1.
Given the very negative position of OM in their attitude to even basic update’s for the OM-1 it’s clear reading between the lines they have lost technical staff, or never had them in the transition from Olympus and now trying to put out the fire of the current running partition forcing them to actually finally respond as to the promised software updates for the OM-1 and what they intend to provide is embarrassing and smacks in the face of all supporter’s of the OM company in purchasing the flagship OM-1 camera.
Apologies for the late reply, your message had been filtered by TH-cam so I didn't see it earlier.
Regarding the re-assignment of the ISO button and turning the dial, that doesn't work while video recording is in progress. Otherwise prior to starting video it works fine but it is during video recording that I would like to have quick physical access for changing the ISO.
Regarding the E3 camera and placement of the eyelets, I agree completely. If Olympus didn't have that type of design previously I would assume that they know any better or that they don't have the necessary manufacturing means to create it but they did have good ergonomics in their older cameras, so I am not aware of the reasoning behind this design decision, and I don't think this is related to size because it is the same on the E-M1X which is a relatively large camera.
I was happy with the E-M1X and E-M1 III and the only reason I upgraded to the OM-1 was for the 4K60 video which I really wanted. If the 1080p60 video quality was good on the previous Olympus cameras, I would have continued using those but even the 1080p at 60fps was line skipped and really blury hence I upgraded to the OM-1.
As for the future of OM System, we just have to wait and hope for the best. I know they outsource most of their R&D to other companies including to Olympus and Sigma so I expect them to move very slowly and have very rigid limited changes in the future. They have a lot of unique and superior aspects to their cameras so I really hope they fix these trivial issues.
I only wish I saw this video before purchasing (and then the hassle of returning) the camera. Your analysis of the ergonomics/buttons/dials is on point. You are right re: the downgrade in color science, and in my experience the EVF and LCD color completely do not match with each other nevermind even the live scene. One real big annoyance for me is that a button cannot be assigned to enable the front dial for managing WB while the back dial manages +/- exposure (or vice versa)l. This is one of the most used features on my Pen-F, yet this latest powerful camera only allows one function to be managed by both the front and back dial?? A tad simplistic for such a computational beast no?
I agree with your take. I have spent a crazy amount of money on Olympus gear. So I really want them to make a better camera but my hopes have started to fade. I mainly use my cameras for videography as opposed to photography and I have started using Panasonic Lumix micro four third cameras more and more. The Lumix cameras are still not as good as Olympus when it comes to stabilisation, battery life, ergonomics, and colour science (previous generation of Olympus cameras) but the Lumix cameras have continuously improved and have a lot of other superior features since Olympus has not improved significantly in the last few years. So I don't know what to expect going forward from Olympus but if they don't improve and even regress in some areas, I can't see myself buying their newer cameras over the Panasonic equivalent.
Have any of these problems been fixed with the OM1 mk ii?
No, none of the problems have been completely fixed but some of the problems have been partially tackled. For example a larger buffer helps taking more sequential shots, and in terms of ergonomics, the dials have been created with different material, the menu system has some touch functionality and the delete button can be re-assigned to function as the menu button when browsing the menu. But overall the problems mentioned here still exist in the Mark 2, see the following video for the details: th-cam.com/video/lx8c-0wvQ-E/w-d-xo.html
I do agree on the ergo part...although face detemination works much better but handling is really worse than previous EM1ii
Yes, I agree. I must admit I don't use the face recognition for video recording because I tried it a few times and it still wasn't reliable enough for me to use but for photography the face and eye detection is good 👌
@@RadCameraManfor taking shots for my little one, the chance to capture in focus is indeed improved a lot compared to my EM1ii, the ergo stuff really made me feel to switch to EM1iii instead. The dial is really not operating in good touch as they were, it lacks the smoothness to operate. Feeling like cost reduction on the material, not as premium material, texture we had in the past.
I dabbled on the Olympus m43rds back in the early generation and I'm always partial to their color interpretation which from what I remember struck a balance between pleasing and accurate...several years later i'm looking into buying the OM-1...and all other reviews and thread discussions don't seem to indicate your opinion WRT to color accuracy. It would have nice if you had a few pictures in the video (or a link to photos that will show the issue) that highlight these issues (preferably comparing with the older generation it replaced)
That said, this is an informative video and a stark contrast to other review and/or opinion videos about the OM-1 where they seem to just gush on the camera.
I will look into creating a video to compare the colours with previous generation of Olympus cameras but it will take me some time to do it. ⏳ I hope you don't need this immediately.
Regarding the high levels of praise that all cameras receive on TH-cam; it is because there are financial incentives that encourages it, sometimes directly but most of the time indirectly.
@@RadCameraMan i would appreciate it; take your time to get it right...i know it's a pain going through such exercise, but it provides great value to anyone looking into buying into the OM system. i'm sure i'm not the only one at this point.😆
you are absolutely right about the other "reviews" on YT which are primarily for financial incentives so I (and among others, i'm sure) appreciate reviews like this (which i attempt in my own channel...albeit failing miserably 😀)...even though the YT recommendation algorithm is working very hard to bury them.
I can attest to the color issue. The pre OM-System cameras by Olympus rendered colors beautifully (which you so well put as a balance between pleasing and accurate). I am absolutely shocked there is not more reviews mentioning the downgrade in color science. I purchased OM-1 Mark ii for the GND and was so disappointed with how desaturated the colors are (same settings as my other 6 Olympus cameras). The EVF constantly show flat and very desaturated colors while the LCD was closer to expectation. I decided to go back and buy EM-1 MkIII one of Olympus greats and last cameras. The other gripe-the body is chunkier and there is no longer effort for beautiful design.
Thanks for the comparison. One question: Is the difference between the Olympus markIII and the OM 1, when it comes to fast subjects, like birds, so great that it is worth the money to upgrade, with limited finances?
No, in my opinion it is not worth upgrading from the E-M1 III to the OM-1, but to answer your question about the speed of taking pictures of birds; if you are using the mechanical shutter which makes noise then there is no difference between OM-1 and EM1 Mark 3 in terms of rolling shutter and in terms of the number of pictures being taken sequentially the E-M1 III can take 15 frames per second whereas the OM-1 can only take 10 frames per second. So the E-M1 III is in fact better.
However if you are using the electronic silent shutter then the OM-1 is better - much better! because it has substantially less rolling shutter effect. Also, if you are using the pre-capture feature which uses the electronic shutter then the OM-1 is much better.
Another feature which the OM-1 and E-M1X have is "bird" subject detection and focusing which the E-M1 III does not have.
So overall even though the OM-1 does have some advantages, in my opinion it is not worth the upgrade from the E-M1 III particularly considering the cost vs. the additional features.
It will be interesting to see if any of these issues are addressed with the OM-1 mark II.
The OM-1 Mark II was released today. Based on the videos that have been released about the Mark 2, it seems like some issues has been addressed but the majority of the problems remain. Almost all of the new features in the OM-1 Mark 2 are firmware updates. So they could make those firmware updates available for the original OM-1 even if they want to charge us for it.
@@RadCameraMan There have been several firmware upgrades on the mark I version. Do any of them address the problem? Second point, the OM-1 is now $1100 with discounts. OM-1 MKii is $1800. Is the MKi making sense financially now?
To me, no matter what computational wizardry is available, deadbeat colors and over digitized lifeless images compared to previous Olympus cameras, is a deal breaker. From my experience this is still the case in…so not fixed in OM-1 Mkii
Thanks for the info. You´re alright about those disadvantages even most of them aren´t affected me just because I don´t use video mode very often, for example. Anyway the OM System cameras are not professional cameras they´re just advanced toys for amateur photographers. I owned the EM1KII which I really enjoyed it a lot as a macro shooter, great colours, super high focus braketing speed thar was an excellent camera. Now with the OM1 and the 300mm+MC14 I´ve started with bird photography and as a walkn around camera is good enough but far far away for my old trusty Canon 5DMKII in terms of colours, noise etc. The noise on this camera is just terrible you only have to zoom in 100% and even with 400ISO and will see lot of noise like melted pixels, I just hated. The colours for me, like you said are not looking good even compared with the EM1MKII and 12 bits raw it´s just not enough.
Lots of computational features and quite a few lenses a bit more lightweight but definitely NOT! Probably i´ll still using the OM1 only for macro but for other styles of shooting clearly not.
Best all!!!!!!
The main reason I still use Olympus or OM System cameras is because of its video stabilisation for handheld moving shots otherwise I would just use the Panasonic Lumix GH6 or GH5 II which I use when I am using a tripod or monopod since those have worse stabilisation but better video features.
Somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed! You didn't even complain about the camera color :-)))
Please let me know which of the points are incorrect?
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About 80% of your Problems are related to video. There are some who only shoot stills and don't care about video.
Yes, 100%. The thing is that the stabilisation is very good on Olympus cameras and no other camera comes close to it otherwise I would just use Panasonic cameras (e.g. gh5m2, gh6) since they are better for video work but their stabilisation is not as good for video work.