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Y'all ever uuhhhhhhh make a completely arbitrary tier list so that you can put out some kinda content? I know that feel I brace for dislikes Oh yeah btw, if in certain clips some frames look weaker than others, it's likely because I was running an incorrect build but couldn't be bothered to re-record. Example would be that clip of Ash's Bladestorm. Even though the mobs were 80+, it's much stronger than that. Whoopsie
Not bad but i kinda think banshee could be allittle higher mostly because of quite shy's death wish build ive tested it with my not so good mods and even i can say its good but otherwise i like the list
Naahh, the entire map isn't allowed to do anything if Vauban exists on the team; I can't really in good faith put him in doody tiers for that sole reason
@@TriburosOnline map isnt allowed to do anything as long as they dont have a nullifier...yea...the bubble needs to touch the grenade but they can reach it pretty fast while running, most of player doesnt even see them coming cause walls and such obscure the vision
i expected him to be in wukong tier as well, funny thing is that wukong is not entirely useless with the jab augment and arca titron, yes its kinda gimmicky...but it works pretty damn well
Nullies having to specifically touch the orb is probably his saving grace actually. They easily could have made it like Limbo where if you make a 60m Cataclysm, if a nully touches any part of it, it'll disappear. Remember that every frame has to deal with nullies. Vauban has a pretty nice advantage in that he's a little less effected by them because of that one caveat. But nah, in this case they have to get right up to the orb. Which is handy, especially because of the nully nerfs that have happened over the recent year.
What's wrong with toxic mods? They seem to be working perfectly fine. Lemme just put my Fever Strike and North Wind together. See? It makes viral damage. oh not those toxic mods right.
The entire game would be better if armour scaling wasn't so horrble! ...But at this point, I have every right to think that DE doesn't understand how to properly scale things.
Same because honestly despite being low tier most of them just shit on baruuk who's only saving grace is mediocre cc at best and even then he easily out classes by basic bitch builds on low tier frames
i love how you can tell when trib doesnt play a frame much by which cosmetics are on it like loki p lookin fresh then everyone else got a repala syandana and a basic paintjob lmao
Hey now that's not true, I think the only poop fashion frame I have is my Nyx how dare u I spend a lot of time making my Hydroid a spooky ghoast pirate and my Mirage lookin like Jevil and even my Revenant looking like an actual Teralyst and my Atlas looking like some weird Grineer abomination project AND DONT YOU DARE NEGLECT MY NEKROS . . . . . I just like Loki better
Valkyr is my most used frame, and i think she is in a great place. Valkyr is a beast that cannot be killed, can deal an insane amount of damage to single targets (bosses and highly armored grineer), her sound design isawesome and she can make any melee weapon enjoyable. I would (and do) take Valkyr every time over let's say Volt, a frame that i hate with a burning passion. Garuda is also pretty good. I use her from time to time and her loop is really fun.
Honestly I think Garuda works well. But remember that frames like Equinox and Saryn exist for wide damage coverage. Its hard competition for her Valkyr needs a rework badly after the nerfings she got, yeah
Triburos I kinda play Garuda as a Warframe that can heal people and take hits with no energy problems at all, basically, a support attacker, support with the 4 and 2, and Attack with 1, and use 3 when I need energy, I run Quick thinking and Rage with her, when she is healing herself, and taking hits, I get my energy back as well, I Guess I made her a Budget unlimited energy build
Triburos and I do hope Valkyr does get better, and Zephyr, Garuda and the other 2 are my favourite Warframe's that are at the lower tiers, which is a bit sad, I love how they look, and play, but sadly, they can' t do that much
One big element Tribs hasn't taken into account: SPEED Speed allows you to spam missions like capture, sabotage, rescue, exterminate and low level assassination a lot more. Allows you to farm end mission reward more efficiently, like opening relics and farming bosses. I don't think I need to explain why this is good. If speed is taken into account I would at least move Nezha and Volt to high tier. Nezha being a tanky slippery boi. Volt being fast and spam 4 to nuke exterminate trash mob. Probably wouldn't move Zephyr beyond mid tier, because her passive makes her hard to maneuver and in general not as useful as Nezha and Volt. Some may argue Nova is even faster than Nezha and Volt, but I'm sure she's in the S tier already. Being the fastest frame just makes Nova an even higher S tier.
Personally, I find that her passive makes her easier to maneuver, and super fast, because air travel is much easier. Her 1 is the struggle for traveling in areas that aren't plains/fortuna. Volt I think stays down because he's so squishy, Nezha at least to high tier. or top tier because trap
Personally didn't have a problem controling zephyr. She handels differently, but only in that you have more control then what you are used too. Also we kind of have operatos if we want speed.
I fully believe that nezha should be in S+ tier. He's borderline broken. With his augments, you get full team, sentinel, objective 90%damage reduction. You also get some of the highest damage potential of any frame with his 4 - 2 combo. With the right build, he's tankier than rhino while still being able to take advantage of mods like rage and health conversion. He also has incredible team play with the absurd amount of health and energy orbs. He is what Titania wanted to be; the ultimate Jack of all trades. Crazy dps, survivability, amazing team play, amazing fashionframe, damage buff, hard and soft cc... Y'all are really underestimating fire boi.
I plan on getting Nezha. Can you give me a few pointers on how to mods him? Can he do both support and super high dps at the same time? How does he stack up against premier damage dealers? Also, all those roles that you mentioned..can he fulfill multiple roles at the same time?
I agree with all of your points, I definitely think he should have been rated higher. However, specifically in regards to his team buff with Safeguard, I think Gara's Splinter Storm is almost strictly better. Nezha's Warding Halo has great scalability through the 3-second invulnerability mechanic at the beginning of casting, but this can be extremely difficult to time correctly when casting on allies, especially in PUBs; this often leaves allies with relatively weak shields, which must be recasted often. Splinter Storm also provides a 90% damage reduction for teammates, but isn't limited by a health-pool. This gives it infinite scalability, and fewer recasts during high level missions. It also has the added benefit of of not requiring an augment, freeing up mod space. I think Nezha's strengths lie in his personal survivability, team damage buff, great CC, and the ludicrous amounts of health and energy orbs he can make using Reaping Chakram. Honestly, I only use Safeguard if I'm playing with new players. I generally find that I'm better off using the mod slot to boost my other abilities to better help the team. Still, the very fact that he has this augment just makes him even more of a jack-of-all-trades. I think he's one of the most versatile frames in terms of mission types he can handle, and he's definitely one of my favorite frames. Way more fun to play than Rhino or Gara, to be sure.
@@Tymbee the main problem I've had with gara's 2 is that it runs on duration. Because of the way nezha works, his 3 makes teammates a lot less dependant on him, wheras with gara's 2, you have to recast on a timer.
@@shirshanyaroy287 (Apologies in advance for the wall of text) Yeah, he can definitely fulfill all those roles at the same time. He's one of the most versatile frames in the game. In comparison to other DPS frames: if you *just* want to kill things, there are probably better frames. Saryn has possibly the best AOE damage, and Chroma the best single-target. But in exchange for some straight damage, you get much better Survivability, Support, Speed and Crowd Control. And it's not like his damage is bad, in star-chart missions, you can easily straight up kill enemies, and even most sortie enemies. If you go like an hour into a defense, you'll have to rely more on your damage multiplier from your 2 if you can't instantly kill enemies, but you're still doing a s**t-ton of damage. This is my build here: goo.gl/U7VBYz , but it's a bit forma-heavy and uses Umbral mods. This is a very nice 0 forma build I just made: goo.gl/BmbHtN . His 2, Blazing Chakram, doubles as his primary support and DPS skill. It does damage by itself, but the important part is that it multiplies the damage enemies take, and makes them drop bonus health and energy orbs on death. The bonus damage is effected by power strength, in my build it does almost x3 damage. Using this, the whole team deals more damage, and gets health and energy. If you hit an enemy who's already under the effects of your 4, it spawns extra chrakrams which seek out enemies, potentially spawning more chakrams. You can wipe out huge squads of enemies by doing this 4-2 combo. His Reaping Chakram augment further amplifies its damage and health drops. In terms of modding, you want to have at least decent numbers in all 4 stats, so corrupted mods probably aren't a great choice unless you balance them out. -Strength is probably your most important stat, as it determines your damage, damage multiplier, and Halo-HP/survivability. Mine's at nearly 200%. -Duration is very important, as it effects how long your 2's damage multiplier lasts, and how long your 4 lasts (and also how long your 1 lasts, but his is easy to recast). I just use Primed Continuity for 155%, and that's good enough. -Range really only effects his 4, but don't underestimate it's usefulness. With enough range you can shut down entire rooms of enemies while you and your teammates pick them off. Like I said before, using your 2 on an enemy effected by your 4 spawns an extra seeking chakram, which can itself spawn more chakrams; this is how you apply the damage bonus to all enemies with only one cast of your 2. Simply put, more range means more enemies hit by your 4, and more enemies means your 2 does more damage (especially if you use Reaping Chakram, as this multiplies the damage). My Range is 175%, which gives my 4 a 33m radius. -Efficiency is somewhat important, because Nezha likes to spam abilities. I just use Streamline and leave it at 130%, but you could also swap Streamline for Flow/Primed Flow instead, and leave it at 100%. I definitely wouldn't put it below 100%. My final thoughts: If you only have normal Continuity, you might be better off dropping some Range in exchange for more Duration by replacing Auger Reach with Auger Message; However, I ***HIGHLY*** recommend you get Primed Continuity. Low Duration Nezha is a sad Nezha as you can't CC effectively, and your damage buff is spotty. Low Range sucks, because it makes him hard to play on large maps. Also, Primed Continuity is good for other frames, lots of them need Duration. Definitely worth getting. In the 0-forma build, I used Power Drift in the Exilus slot, but don't feel married to it. A 15% difference in Power Strength isn't going to make *that* big of a difference on a build. Just use whatever you like. I use Maglev in my main build because it stacks with Nezha's passive, making my slides ludicrously fast. If you have Umbral Intensify, you definitely don't need Power Drift. If you're having trouble managing your energy, Equilibrium is a nice option. With Nezha's 2 (especially with Reaping Chakram), you'll have health orbs out the wazoo. Though I find that his 2 alone gives enough energy orbs. Don't use Rage/Hunter Adrenaline, it's a trap. The amount of actual damage you take is so small you get nearly no return from it, and it also takes forever to get through your shields to damage your health. It's better for frames like Inaros, Nidus, or Oberon who take lots of health damage. Nezha takes barely any damage at all. If you're casting your 2 often, you shouldn't even need it. Adaptation only effects your actual health, your Halo still takes full damage. The only survivability mod you need is Vitality. Steel Fiber is nice because it increases the base HP of your Halo, but you're better off just increasing Power Strength. With Power Strength as opposed to armor, you get slightly less base HP for your Halo, but you get much more bonus HP from 3-second invulnerability period at the beginning of casting. This bonus HP is why Nezha scales so well. You can't rely on the baseHP in high level missions, it's too low. Plus, Power Strength helps your other abilities as well. Similarly, Health Conversion is a bit of trap as well. Because of Blazing Chakram, you can easily keep this up all the time, but it only effects the base HPof your Halo. Adding armor mods in general isn't a *bad* choice for defense, but in low level missions it's overkill, and in high level missions the base Halo HP isn't enough.
@@tatotiteta my volt have either 237% strength or the other build with 265% range i had a mr 14 dude who was so fucking pissed cuz i killed 90% of everything at hydron.
24:28 To be fair to Volt's shields, they are REALLY strong against the Eidolons. Between them, the Lanka, and Chroma, you can dish out some serious damage.
Nyx can eat 700 energy on an absorb and have problems killing level 50 enemies, the sad part is that novas antimater augment turns the ability into a ranger absorb bubble, and is 100% better for 50 energy, Octavias 1 ability also uses the same gimmick and is one of the most powerful abilities in the game
@@GOLANX I'd like for them to scrap her 2 and give a minor version of that buff to her 3. Also for them to take away the damage absorbed drawing energy and increase energy drained per second for balance. Her 1 is in a decent spot for now aside from controlled enemies going full derp.
Volt mid tier!? He is literally the perfect example of a high tier! He can do everything well, his speed is much more than a gimmick, and his 1 scales to infinity as a CC ability along with his 4. on top of that, capacitance gives him extreme survivability and his speed makes him hard to target. His 2 can be PICKED UP by him and teammates and block ALL incoming damage. the only issue he has is his armor which can be easily remedied by going for shields. I dare say he is the best CC in the game as he can obliterate anything but the lvl 50+ greneer with his 4 meaning he can be built with corrosive projection for damage comparable to top tier damage frames. He also has extreme complexity. He can be a riot management frame, a speed tank, a defense frame, CC/support with shock trooper, damage, and he can be good at all of them without specializing in any. Volt is far too underrated but if only more people played him. Anyway, rant over. VOLT is higher than Mid tier.
Volt's 1 is a horrible CC because it can't be re-applied to enemies already affected by the stun. It's one of the only CCs in the game that have that problem, and his 4 has the exact same problem where enemies won't even take any more damage or cc if they're already affected by a previous instance of it. Capacitance extra Shields for survivability are not the best choice unless you're Hildryn; toxin and slash procs will still kill you regardless, and shields don't have any way of reducing damage taken to them like Health has with Armor. Volt also lacks shield gating, so his shields are just as bad as everyone elses, except Hildryn of course. His shock shields being able to be picked up means nothing because you could just play something like Gara or Nezha and give your team 360 degree 90% damage reduction, they don't have to aim the shield at in-coming damage, Nezha's and Gara's can reduce damage from things that Volt's shield *can't* block, and they also aren't restricted to only using their secondary. Also, it requires yet another augment to give them the ability to pick them up, and even pub team mates won't even know you're running it most of the time. Best CC in the game is a complete outright incorrect assumption; what kind of CC can't be refreshed on enemies already affected by it? Volt does a lot of things relatively well, but there's far better choices. Remember that one of the major notations for those in Mid is that they're "often overshadowed, but can do their jobs regardless." Volt fits that to a tee. There's plenty of other frames I'd rather play, but he still works. But he's nowhere close to my top list.
IMHO and short as i can. Volt's 1 is bad. Just bad. Speed is good with the right build. Adap and some armor mods (umbral volt xd) and capit will actually make volt decently tanky, more than any others in his category atleast, and adap works on shields. Volt deployable shields are how you endurance run. They can be grabbed augment free now thanks to a small buff, but the grab is a gimmick as opposed to using them to lock down a hall, shocking them with the 1(its only use) and firing thru that. Duration matters. Also why i think Geruda deserves atleast High tier because of ability shields (and bc no one knows how to use her 1 with her 4 to nuke whatever you want dead in seconds) but i digress. Capi is dank CC in the low levels but falls off a bit before sortie unless you are fighting corpus. Dont take procs, or be too fast to get hit, or focus on CC and only come up for damage when its out, and Volt will take you far long as your team is ready to clean shit up. Sure saryn is better CC but that's like saying red lobster is better than mcdonalds but you dont feel like lobster for the 80th day in a row. She's boring and she kills fun for a team. 80% of the frames can be made amazing and endurance tier though building. Das all.
@@TriburosOnline Can we at least all agree on the fact that Volt Prime has the *highest* energy pool in the game? Lol (actually I haven't checked the stats on the new frames they've been putting out, but far as I know Volt is literally the Energizer Bunny, especially with Zenurik). Whichhhh... brings me to another point, Volt built properly also has some of the highest usability in the game as far as his abilities too. Especially Capacitance builds that focus on efficiency and duration for just flat CC, speed costs nothing, shields cost nothing, and even his 4 is far less of an energy cost than other frames' 4 in any situation where it's in constant repetitive use. And Speed also boosts reload speed as well, another ability you'll be hard pressed to find elsewhere useful (save mods). It makes survivals cheese and makes 50 waves feel like 5 minutes, with the right weapon builds of course. With for instance a Zeni at a doorway, shield up, using a high output AOE like the Zarr for instance (which btw each of the pellets when the round splits gets the dmg boost from the shield as well), speed when reloading and running out to pick up loot without ever needing to use your operator save every couple minutes or so to regen some energy, all at a minimal cost and max duration. And to top that off, anytime you slip up, simply CC with Capacitance, overshield, thin/destroy the mobs, rinse repeat. With the correct weapon build you can do MOT solo for hours. And the best part is, Volt isn't even a tank, he just *is* good at outlasting and outdamaging/outkilling. He could at least be lower-High tier. Just my 2 cents.
Volt is practically best at killing eidolons, when your range goes to 265% u just need to run thorugh extermination and press 4 once every 10 seconds and then we also got one of the best meme abilities "gotta go fast" HIGH TIER.
The thing I love is how with all the other “bad frames” he had to explain all of their “good” uses and tries to give them enough credit to not fall below Wukong. And then he goes to Revenant. (One of my favorite and personally rated best frame) because 1. His minions chain to other enemies and can stall an entire fight by themselves with no added effort, 2. His Mesmer Skin literally gives him invincibility which scales off of Power strength which you come to find out, greatly benefits him, 3. His Reave does percentage based damage that yes, does very low damage... if you’re an absolute idiot. I GREATLY increases its damage when hitting a controlled enemy, so much that at 255% power strength (which is why Mesmer Skin scaling off of Power Strength is so helpful) it will literally one shot them. Now not only is it a one shot, but it will ALWAYS one shot because of it’s feature of being a percentage based damage, and 4. Okay I’m sorry, but if you only use Revenant for his 4, you should never have used him in the first place, his 4 is literally out matches in every other field BESIDES it’s random feature of giving overshield drops if you kill a controlled enemy with it. God this probably looks really salty, but I’m really not trying to aggravate anyone (even if I was a bit aggressive in writing) because all I really want to say is that Revenant is unbelievably broken and can literally outmatch EVERY OTHER FRAME as long as he has a way to keep up with his massive energy drain, but that is so easy to fix with either another frame or just a operator ability. God DE please fix this frame, but don’t need him, just rework his abilities to not be so broken and PLEASE don’t let him just keep using INFINITELY SCALING ONE SHOTS. (Oh yeah and if you either feel the same way about this jazz you can like it, or you can like it if you have nothing else to do and you’ve been trying to sleep for hours now)
Personally would put valkyr in mid do to her high damage output and cc immunity in her 4. The damage aspect seems negligable most of the time but against a boss whose mechanics are immunity phases with short windows of damage openings (mutalist salad v, lech krill, kayla dethame) she can build up her combo counter real quick during immunity phase and basically one shot the moment they are damagable just by spamming E. Beyond that i agree with this list so far and look forward to part 2
Not surprised at all :v a warframe that can deal a fuck load of damage, crowd control (and obliterate that crowd in seconds) and quite tanky on his own. How can a frame like that not being in a higher tier
Excal has been and always will be one of the top 5 strongest frames in the game. When he referred to Baruuk getting outclassed by a better version of himself in S tier, it would be Umbra. Dude's OP especially when you know how to synergy self healing thru chromatic blade with gas damage and howl. You nuke whatever you want, refuse to die, gain energy from taking minimalistic damage, and generally give no shits, on a max 2 forma build if that (3 for the blade but thats to be sweaty)
MAG IS top tier oh my lord magnetize is unreal with so many wonky weapon combos you wouldn’t normally use. Her abilities synergize decently well, and you can pull off some pretty crazy choke points.
Yet her best ability, her 3, is useless on infested and her 4 is too much of an energy hog to spam. I still use her all the time though, she's great for 66% of the game I guess
Zephyr's tornadoes double crit damage, and with her augment twelve nadoes and a few hits from a decent weapon and everything dies. Her second ability can be fired even while reloading to ragdoll, and jetstream her augment basically gives her budget volt speed and avcelerated projectile volicity the the point where I can accurately take down birds in peo with kunai. (This is mainly jusy for laughs) Also ripline deletes enemies when used at long range, launching them into hyperspace to never be seen again
Nezha is where he is because his CC is only better than rhino in the duration but worse in damage his tankiness is outclassed by rhinos his damage ability becomes good once he uses the augment but is limited for the same reason as limbo where it only becomes good when there are multiple enemies which the mesa kills rhino's damage buff doesnt have this problem as the damage is outright and because of how it works it can also be used in plains. Vauban makes his spot because he can do his job with little effort multiple times over which gives him use in the certain modes and when at a high enough lvl he can still cc even if enemies are so very strong that the dps frame falls off and above all he has an easier time with nullies
@@toiam8350 i don't think you've played Nezha if you think that his damage is inferior to Rhino's. I'll give you that Rhino is tankier than Nezha, not that Nezha has any chance of dying if you're paying attention. I'd say that their CC is about equal, except Nezha can chain more damage using his CC while Rhino's damage ability is completely separate and can't be chained.
@@Nedlius I don't think his damage is weaker when I play him I see his damage as limbos 3rd where is gets better as more enemies are affected he has higher damage potential than rhino but it is held back because it need AI tracking which can break from time to time and the fact that it needs high enemy numbers be get extremely high the reason and on top of that he is outranked by rhino's is because rhino has consistent damage that will always be there, it is more versitle as it can be used in plains and it has utility because of team buff nezha has great team utility for the energy and health orbs but that is still works off of enemy numbers. So basically nezha damage, utility and CC is godly in the face of rhino when the dps isnt doing there job
@@toiam8350 but saying "rhino is a better nezha" cant also mean nezha is better than 80% of the other warframes. comparing warframes to rank them is great, but you cant just compare them to 1 other frame, you need to compare them to all other frames, and compared to ALL of them theres no way nezha is mid-tier
My drop-in-the-ocean thoughts: Wukong: He's available from clan research, which is pretty darn available, and yet I never see him. I think that says a lot. Atlas: As someone who honestly likes arcwing, I will get atlas eventually, but I wish that rumblers was replaced with something else. Banshee: Banshee is an enigma to me. I see a banshee enter a mission, and I have no idea what to expect. Damage? Utility? Not to see the player for the entire mission as they solo half the map? She just doesn't have anything that she's known for other than one or two things you think of when you really try to. Ember: I agree that she needs improvements, but the angle I see is that of area control damage: You want ember to build a fortress of fire and fuel on a point and burn anything that gets too close. She can already do that some, it just needs to be embraced. Nyx: As someone who honestly likes minions archetypes in games... the main thing with Nyx (and a lot of other things) is just the wonky scaling. Armor scaling is in my opinion maybe the single biggest flaw in this game. Changing to more moderate armor scaling is something I really want in Warframe, but at this point I know it's likely not to happen. Revenant: I'm one of the people who shoots thralls like an idiot. I'm sorry. Titania: Despite everything, I still want to try titania... but mainly because her 4 looks like so much fun. I'm usually really hard on 4-spamming, but even I forget she has other powers. Valkyr: If Rip-line was just given some QOL buffs she'd be played a ton just from the fun factor alone. In the mean time, Hysteria's health regain make her excellent for new players. Zephyr: Looks like several tons of fun and as someone who usually just wants guns+fair survivability+a panic button I need to try her sometime. Ash: I've tried Ash, but I'm too slow and too addicted to big guns to be an actual ninja. He looks like fun for someone else, but his playstyle just isn't me. Baruuk: The basic idea of excalibur with more survivability appeals to me strongly. Hydroid: Hydroid does his job well, it's just harder for him. He's not an easy frame to use well in any case, making him less popular than the ones that are still effective but straightforward. Khora: I think the main reason she's so rare is the sanctuary onslaught requirement. She's effective enough, if she was easier to get she'd be seen more often. Frost: Snowglobe isn't overrated, and that's a big claim in and of itself. My gripe is that his 1, 2, and 4 are all the same thing but incrementally bigger. Garuda: Garuda has both energy and health management (as long as you're willing to play a little dangerously), some basic survivability, and two good damage options. Yes please. Mirage: DUDE, MIRAGE WITH A PENTA WOULD BE SWEET Nekros: Nekros is also a good beginner frame because of said health and energy orbs... and also the innate health management. I've seen a pretty shaky player stay standing and productive thanks to Nekros. Nezha: My main. Nezha is maybe the best solo frame in the game imo, and then you can roll into public and slap halos on people and they'll love you for it. Vauban: Vauban is a cool idea that has never been realized. And to make things worse, his most recent change made him worse in my opinion, taking away the only chance at survivability he had. Volt: Volt is a strange damage/control/support frame that is really cool. All his powers have uses (though his 1 and 4 do have overlap) and even though I've never played him I can definitely see the appeal. He's got minimal gimmicks, fair usability, and he's available enough that anyone can try him. Really solid.
Valkyr's just great in general, even post nerf she is actually still essentially immortal, you just need to work a liiiiiittle bit harder. Also Eternal War is a thing. Nezha is best boi though, I do agree with you there. Too bad the halo augment doesn't fit into my main build. Mirage with Penta and both of its augments though.
@Kathy Kat At this point they need to refine Maim, too. Equinox has 8 powers and I've never seen one run something other than Maim. Ember DID need a change, I just think she needed more refinements in addition to the nerf.
@@Zevox144 I see we share similar, eccentric tastes in high explosives. I'm not sure I like tether grenades, but I usually use the adhesive mod for sticky grenades instead. Looking forward to the new augment!
Zephyr is a mid tier in my book. For anyone who never bothered to read the wiki, Zephyr's 4 DOUBLES crit damage to all the enemies caught in it. I have max efficiency and use her 4 like mag's 2. Her 3 is pretty nice, as long as you pay attention not to get melee or aoe damage, she can't die. So to me, Zephyr is a tricky damage dealer with survivability. She's mid tier in my book.
Zephyr is way underrated in the video. For being able to gain complete projectile immunity from a single ability, she really should be ranked higher. Especially good in open world environments. Air burst is also great for popping crates and even killing trash faster than Ember, since the ability has a fairly low energy cost, can be cast while other instances exist (unlike Cataclysm), decent range, goes through walls, and doesn't interrupt moment.
First off. Titania's razorwing blitz makes her rediculous. First off it scales off ability strength. And massively. A decent balance between ability strength efficiency and duration will give you arpund a +160% bonus to her zippy movement speed, and already insane fire rate of Dex pixia. Dex pixia also has an extremely high status and crit chance. Her lack of tankyness can by negated by the basic glass cannon theory she follows: If they are already dead, they cant shoot back. With a max strength razorwing blitz (which I have managed to complete survival without exiting razorwing despite the energy drain) i can cross Ocean to ocean in peo under 20 seconds, remove all armor in four shots, and am dealing damage that rivals everything but my clanmate's god riven atterax that hit the 64 bit integer limit in damage and one hits everything in the fucking game. Also, it may be a bug, but when you aren't doing the satisfying task of dropship whack-a-mole, enemies seem to have an extremely hard time noticing small titania unless i fly straight into them and even then they occaisonally dont notice me.
Nekros only good for farming. The shield of shadows is mandatory for him if you want a """"Tank"""". And so no space for the desacrate augment. No damage output, some cc (Vauban is better) , a little tankiness. And he is mainly used for his 3, yeah we know, it can replave healt, but he is almost useless outside of farming
I gotta disagree pretty handily on Revenant, dude. There's a few things you didn't mention; Mesmer Skin stuns enemies who shoot it. This doesn't work on all enemies, admittedly, so you might need to keep an eye out on it, but this is what prevents it from being used up too quickly. Stunned enemies can then be thralled at no energy cost at all. Mesmer Skin was bugged not too long ago, so that might have coloured some experiences. It's also worth noting that Mesmer Skin makes you immune to all self-damage; use the Lenz or Phantasma's secondary fire with him, you'll thank me later. Reave lets Revenant avoid damage completely, heals him, and deals damage based on a percentage of a given enemy's total HP. This is *huge,* and lets Reave do plenty of damage just on its own, with the effect doubled on Thralls. Enthrall just got buffed, but seeing when the video was made, I wouldn't hold that against you at all. I think of Enthrall as more of a soft CC ability for getting rid of things that bother you. Nox, Ancients, Eximi, anything. You are then free to shoot them in the face with no repercussions. Danse Macabre still scales incredibly well thanks to the fact it adapts to different health types. It deals Corrosive against armour, Magnetic against Shields, and Gas against Infested Flesh. It's super energy-hungry, aye, so you can only use it periodically. He is a very solid frame now. His 4 got overnerfed, but the other parts of his kit have really picked up the pieces.
@@notgray88 You don't mod him for 4. His murder tools are Enthrall plus Reave. In that order. His only downsides are his energy consumption and that he's just not a team player. For murdering Lv. 100s like Lv. 3s on a solo mission, Revenant is god tier strong. Just make sure your ability strength is high enough to have Reave deal 100+% damage on thralls.
I'mma have to have you reconsider Valkyr: -Quick Thinking + Rage + Hysteria makes you a Wukong that can actually kill things... like Sortie Ambulas (80% of team's dmg) -Naramon + Blood Rush + Combo Duration + Endless War augment means you 1.) get to spin to win any high dmg heavier weapon usually picking weapons you can get red crits and 2.) get LOADS of xp from the 45% melee affinity bonus -Rip Line is useful when you need it - otherwise you forget you have it -Paralysis is also pretty much useless - sometimes the finisher can save time in really high level stuff - but alas - red crits above
Atlas rumblers to have higher aggro priority (lower than nekros shadows and ofc lower than true taunts), however atlas being essentially in melee most of the time cant benefit from it as sub 5m proximity ALWAYS has higher priority than increased aggro units (only true taunts overwrite proximity prioritization). Also nekros and nezha not in High if not S? Both have complete objective coverage (unless you want complete stealth/invis for spy or its a DEcuckzine of enemies where they are immune to everything, aka eidolon, orb and arby drone/not actually enemies, but timed loot piniatas), easy to use effectively while having a active game loop for higher end levels, no other frame does their job as efficiently (technically they do eachothers a in terms of health orb drops but w/e) of being THE loot frame and THE give allies mega survival (gara and hydroid both being less reliable versions for that thing due to secondary requirements of tentacle touch and time upkeep instead of set and forget with nice ui note) AND can safely scale into insane levels (ESO excluded).
Nekros' loot potential doesn't really align much with our ranking critera here, though ofc his energy and health orb side of the ability was taken into consideration. The focus of this is just how well they can play the game. I took his loot potential into account for sure, but even without it he'd still be in mid. Nezha is in mid simply because other frames out-class him, not that his kit is bad or anything. Nezha's mission coverage isn't as good because he has to keep resetting his 4, he can't just do a normal re-cast like some of the other frames I'll mention later. He has good damage, but if you're a client, lag causes it to break very easily and cause the hoop to not connect with many targets at all. Nezha needs an augment to give his team defenses, but other frames can give them defensive shields without the need of an augment, and a certain frame can give their 90% dr to even *more* things than Nezha can. Health and Energy orbs are nice, but there's frames that can give those values to team mates way more effectively than either Nezha or Nekros. The definition of mid-tier is that the frames within it can be over-shadowed, but can still do their jobs. With other frame choices available to me, I can pick frames better than Nezha or Nekros.
If you think Volt's speed as a gimmick then you have never had a good speed volt. I finish every capture , sabotage and rescue mission in literally 1 min and even less than 1min. No joke. You gotta step up your volt. He's easily A+ Tier if not S tier.
@@Papierflugzeug95 I think that's because you're not used to the speed. get a volt and practice. The sooner you get used to it the sooner you'll see how convenient it is.
@@arcanethink Oh no, I am used to the speed. I play Volt myself from time to time. But if I'm not playing Volt, I don't want the speedbuff. Especially when I'm playing Nezha, because that combination is absolutely fucked.
I'd argue with Revenant. I had a clanmate who joined our one hour long kuva survival challenge, and he had like 7% of damage taken while he tanked almost all damage, nad he was clearing even lvl 120 mobs with ease. He build it entirerly for power strenght, almost hitting 300%.
Most rev builds go for the efficiency and strength, and i mean being low tier doesnt mean he is neccesarily shit. His abilities arent just as good as other's. He would probably reach a higher tier if his enthrall was immune to friendly dmg like with nekros
@@CG-yj7kx th-cam.com/video/-G_X_sCaCVE/w-d-xo.html Watch that, you'll see a bit about what makes Revenant so strong. In reference to his thralls, in most cases, you WANT them to die, it creates a damaging turret spire and spreads to other enemies. Also, its, mentioned in that video, but to expand on what the poster of the original comment is saying, Revenant has the strongest armor in the game, as a charge completely ignores an instance of damage. Even rhinos iron skin, as ridiculous as it can be at low levels, has a limit.
So happy with Vauban and Monkey Fuck reworks, they have become some of my favorite shenanigan frames with Vauban probably being my favorite frame in the game
I remember old Ash where if you maxed range and pressed 4 you'd just start killing everyone in the room without being able to take damage. I still have a vivid memory of being in cutscene land watching my Ash teleport around a map for upwards of five mins straight on a survival mission from one button push.
Soz, Valkyr has to get inside each and every enemy's shirts in order to kill them with 4. She's vastly out-classed, especially by Excalibur. Chromatic Blade Exalted Blade is an extremely strong tool with far better range, and he can even boost his melee damage because his CC is a blind. He can also get finishers just like Valkyr can with Paralysis, but he can also even increase finisher damage with an augment if he wants. She's really not in a good place. Vauban atleast can render an entire tileset harmless and unable to oppose your team in things like Interception, Mobile Defense, Excavation and the like.
(of course it's just my opinion) but I still think valkyr is still mid tier because of two things: The Slide attack of the 4 And literal invincibility Of course is the small range bad because you can't kill as many enemies at once but If you don't intend to speedrun everything and you play something like exterminate she is pretty good (and her 3 is really good) I think in this case we have just different opinions (and that is absolutely ok)
I run her as a cc machine with her pull mod on her scream, I can just pull a room on me and with the huge finnisher % on it just pop enemies, downside is the ear rape from screaming XD
Triburos but in mobile defence and defences and well anything with a health bar, she can use her warcry to buff armour and make them practically invincible, she can use her Warcry augment to make it last forever if she can get a kill, and you always go on about how range is king so having a whip or pole arm on standby will be no problem for the typical valkyr user. Valkyr yes doesn’t have much range for her 1-3 and 4 but does have the added bonus of being invincible, making her a clutch Warframe in case a player goes down, and the range issue can be negated when going against enemy’s like infested but those sort of missions are uncommon to come across so I do agree her 4 is a little downgraded by that, but overall, why yes valkyr does deserve to be in that tier she at least needs to be higher than vauban
When i played stöfler on Lua and i had a frost in my squad that refused to use snowglobe so i AS volt had to spam eletric sheild around the defense objective.
I think you might want to specify what level content your grade score is based off of. Because for long endurance runs, volt, mag, and banshee are some of the absolute best frames to have on your team in the game. And if youre talking about starchart-sortie level content, a frame like atlas will likely outdamage every frame in the game except a mesa and saryn, while essentially being invincible the whole time. So you might wanna make the parameters a bit more clear.
This is a must. Most of the best survival frames are in low category which doesn't match up with all late content, makes sense for sedna but not for sortee 3 30 min excavation survival anywhere past Pluto, or eso(metta or non metta runs)
Titania’s about to be godly when new mods drop the pistol one with 50% evasion because she gets 50% evasion with her 4 so 50+50=100 and 💯% evasion = matrix or ultra instinct
*TimeStamps* Synopsis: 1. Not On This List Excalibur, Chroma, Trinity, Harrow, Gauss, Grendal, Gara, Saryn, Hildryn, Octavia, Oberon, Loki, Mag, Rhino, Ivara. 2. Most data is still relevant, if it's not because of reworks or augments I marked it. 3. "No particular order" my arse, it's clearly alphabetical. >:[ 0:30 Post Into Baseline *DEAD TIER* 2:13 Wukong (OUTDATED) *LOW TIER* 4:50 Atlas 5:40 Banshee 7:05 Ember (OUTDATED) 8:50 Nyx 10:00 Revenant 11:03 Titania 11:30 Valkyr 12:47 Zephyr *MID TIER* 13:34 Ash 15:00 Baruuk (OUTDATED) 16:11 Hydroid 17:18 Khora 18:07 Frost 18:43 Garuda 19:27 Mirage 20:15 Nekros 20:53 Nezha 22:07 Vauban 23:35 Volt *High Tier & S Tier* Separate Video th-cam.com/video/8PIHdkFBRcg/w-d-xo.html
as a volt main, volt has a survivabilty tool, his 4's augment. granting you shield all the time, yes slash and toxin is a problem but other wiser are his shield good enough, it would still be better if enemys udenr the effect of 4 could be stacked with the effect.
I'd personally put Vauban in low tier for two reasons. First, pure cc isn't nearly as valuable as it once was. Lastly, Limbo (after his rework) exists, and essentially does Vauban's job but better because Cataclysm practically has the base range of an entire football field, while also having high damage potential due to his Rift Torrent augment, which when combined with his football stadium sized Cataclysm, leads to insane scaling, and he can give his allies energy for simply standing in his Cataclysm, and can heal allies with his Haven augment, and his 4 can be near endless with his Cataclysmic Continuum augment. Also, Za Warudo. The only reason Limbo isn't one of the best support frames is because his Rift Torrent augment only affects himself and not his allies. #buffVauban
I agree with most of the list but, probably just my experience but Valkyr and Mirage should be a bit higher tho I guess they're just buffers to weapons and weapons(which are their own kind of tier) and Nezha's and Volt's speed abilities are super useful.
This. Volt should be S tier for how integral he is for Eidolons alone. Valkyr Hysteria may be nerfed but she doesn't need more than Eternal War to be great. Mirage may be squishy and a bit clunky but has more damage potential than even Chroma (not that you need that much damage for pretty much 99.9% of content).
Limbo is better because if a enemy attacks(if high enough level) the bubble after that period it can be deleted unlike limbo's which will always get the said duration
Having a tier might be useful to understand better the warframe but do NOT take it too seriously, ANY warframe has "end game" potential (except wukong, he's trash). Thing is, Trib analysed the framers from a standard point of view (+ his experience), but that doesn't mean you can't modify and make a frame better. For example I can solo lvl 30 or higher interception missions with Revenant and Nyx with minimal energy cost, something Vauban (place a tier above) can do. I also managed convert lvl 140 enemies into sushi under 3 seconds with an melee only build on Valkitty (the tip is to tap into her 4 only in need, something many cannot understand. She's an angry cat, don't play her as a scary cat). So why not go and make your own tier?
@@silverzdk true but lets be real wukong while good, could be much much better, imagine if he got better stealth or an EW with better stats, hes got potential, but he cant really shine unless that potential is harnessed, not in warframe as it is now where just surviving isnt enough
Stop flattering Rahetalius, Vauban should be in low tier. There is a reason why everyone thinks he desperately needs a rework (spoilers: cc for the whole ability set aint good no more) Nehza can buff with his Chakrahm pretty well and his damage far surpasses Rhino however it is more condensed. Honestly i'd put Nehza by Rhino in a tier list. Nekros is best frame bone daddy and thus deserves to be in the top tier. He is a good tank, cc frame, and looter. Not to mention he is the only frame with only good augments.
At least i know chroma is no longer a low rank frame but i still curious to see the rest and what makes them good or good enough at this point. good video man!
She is a good frame and fun to play, but there's others that can output similar damage a lot faster and energy is just not that big of a deal with some of the tools available. She is still in a good place I think mid tier fits her well
While I understand your viewpoints on Valkyr, I would disagree on her tier, albeit I have always had her as my most used/main warframe, that may also be just how I have a personal build on her where her hysteria is easily able to handle many high level ads at once. Either way, good video and quite informative.
Nezha and Nekros need to be in high tier at LEAST. Nezha has incredible tank stats and damage, and plays a team role with cc, a shield, and a debuff that all allies can take advantage of - along with free health orbs. Nekros is obviously valuabe for loot, but he can also be a tank and make even more free health orbs.
nezha is one of the strongest tanks in the game. adaptation stacks with warding halo. you basically take 1 damage per bullet. pressing 2(augmented) on enemies impaled by 4 creates a beautiful rain of health and energy that your whole squad can pick up.
@@estelsoldaccount2338 People keep underestimating Nezha but his 2 augment can wreak hell on enemies like you guys said some of the best tanking in the game and the cc while not the best is a really good o shit button.
Nezha was woefully underrated here. He stands out most strongly to me here. My other disagreements are fairly minor (Nekros and Volt probably should be a bit higher), but Nezha was the one that struck me as really warranting reevaluation. He and Rhino do similar things in somewhat different ways, but they're really similarly powerful and useful overall. In no way does he belong in a lower tier than Rhino.
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Y'all ever uuhhhhhhh make a completely arbitrary tier list so that you can put out some kinda content? I know that feel
I brace for dislikes
Oh yeah btw, if in certain clips some frames look weaker than others, it's likely because I was running an incorrect build but couldn't be bothered to re-record. Example would be that clip of Ash's Bladestorm. Even though the mobs were 80+, it's much stronger than that. Whoopsie
not bad sir, you make good content
You'll be fine...
dont worry Zarya is coming out... i mean Hyldrin
Funny they just uploaded an update
Not bad but i kinda think banshee could be allittle higher mostly because of quite shy's death wish build ive tested it with my not so good mods and even i can say its good but otherwise i like the list
Wukong doesn't need a rework,he needs a reboot.
Wukong 2 Electric Boogaloo
a Complete re imagining
Wukong is good for clubbing. If you get his colors just right his Iron Staff looks like a glow stick.
Yeah the only ability that doesn't need changes is defy... Even the passive with damage 3.0
Movie Adaptation too
trib went back into the coffin after he heard of the wolf spawn rate
Is there an actual number out yet? I'd love to hear it!
sadly no but its rarer than a pizza delivery on time
Once. I've seen him once in two weeks. Didn't drop anything either, no mods, no parts, nothing.
@Thej Yhome feel same when farming stalkers
Snow
It’s going to raise as the nightwave goes further
Mag Mains: "MY GIRL MADE IT TO HIGH!"
Trib: "??? Who Mag???"
SHE'S GOOD NO KILL ME PLEASE
"Most of you thought Vauban was going to be low tier"
I expected Vauban to be in Wukong tier I dont know what your talking about
I am vauban main and I think he deserves to be in valkyrs place he is not good but I love him
Naahh, the entire map isn't allowed to do anything if Vauban exists on the team; I can't really in good faith put him in doody tiers for that sole reason
@@TriburosOnline map isnt allowed to do anything as long as they dont have a nullifier...yea...the bubble needs to touch the grenade but they can reach it pretty fast while running, most of player doesnt even see them coming cause walls and such obscure the vision
i expected him to be in wukong tier as well, funny thing is that wukong is not entirely useless with the jab augment and arca titron, yes its kinda gimmicky...but it works pretty damn well
Nullies having to specifically touch the orb is probably his saving grace actually. They easily could have made it like Limbo where if you make a 60m Cataclysm, if a nully touches any part of it, it'll disappear.
Remember that every frame has to deal with nullies. Vauban has a pretty nice advantage in that he's a little less effected by them because of that one caveat.
But nah, in this case they have to get right up to the orb. Which is handy, especially because of the nully nerfs that have happened over the recent year.
What's wrong with toxic mods? They seem to be working perfectly fine. Lemme just put my Fever Strike and North Wind together. See? It makes viral damage.
oh
not those toxic mods
right.
Its the well know rivens mods i think
Tyrael 567 whooosh
You use viral? Newb
U Fuk Que? You no fight infested?
@Manuel Miko Delola nuh uh only nerd use viral and slash
The only Tier that you need is Rhino!
@Tiny lil' Fire Cat ill raise your ivara with my chroma
That's a weird way of spelling THE MIGHTY SEER....
Nidus is not pleased
Nezha has better iron skin
*Flexes in Rhino
"melee can't go through walls anymore"
*Laughs in baruuk*
Laughs in exalted blade
Laughs in whipclaw
@@alraunedee8973 nice
*laughs in defy*
Volt: best fisherman in the game. Periodt.
Agreed, why waste standing on fishing rods when you can just shimmy in place before each cast
but... ivara can fish from wherever she wants?
o darn u right, gotta fix that up in part 2
@@KonoNana Explain this, you have intrigued me.
@@Imperiallife3349 navigator works with fishing poles (at least it did last time i tried it, also it isn't that useful, still funny once in a while)
I feel many frames in low could be better if armor scaling wasn't so horrible
The entire game would be better if armour scaling wasn't so horrble!
...But at this point, I have every right to think that DE doesn't understand how to properly scale things.
Ember lacks armor but has offensive abilities and that sucks.
Loki lacks armor but has a wide cc kit and that's awesome.
Same because honestly despite being low tier most of them just shit on baruuk who's only saving grace is mediocre cc at best and even then he easily out classes by basic bitch builds on low tier frames
@@Falter007 For Ember the only defensive mod I use is adaptation and I keep Immolation on and it seems to fair well Except for Steel Path
i love how you can tell when trib doesnt play a frame much by which cosmetics are on it
like loki p lookin fresh then everyone else got a repala syandana and a basic paintjob lmao
Hey now that's not true, I think the only poop fashion frame I have is my Nyx how dare u
I spend a lot of time making my Hydroid a spooky ghoast pirate and my Mirage lookin like Jevil and even my Revenant looking like an actual Teralyst and my Atlas looking like some weird Grineer abomination project AND DONT YOU DARE NEGLECT MY NEKROS
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I just like Loki better
It hurts that Valkyr and Garuda, 2 of my favourite frames, are in those spots
I feel the pain my friend. :'(
Valkyr is my most used frame, and i think she is in a great place.
Valkyr is a beast that cannot be killed, can deal an insane amount of damage to single targets (bosses and highly armored grineer), her sound design isawesome and she can make any melee weapon enjoyable.
I would (and do) take Valkyr every time over let's say Volt, a frame that i hate with a burning passion.
Garuda is also pretty good. I use her from time to time and her loop is really fun.
Honestly I think Garuda works well. But remember that frames like Equinox and Saryn exist for wide damage coverage. Its hard competition for her
Valkyr needs a rework badly after the nerfings she got, yeah
Triburos I kinda play Garuda as a Warframe that can heal people and take hits with no energy problems at all, basically, a support attacker, support with the 4 and 2, and Attack with 1, and use 3 when I need energy, I run Quick thinking and Rage with her, when she is healing herself, and taking hits, I get my energy back as well, I Guess I made her a Budget unlimited energy build
Triburos and I do hope Valkyr does get better, and Zephyr, Garuda and the other 2 are my favourite Warframe's that are at the lower tiers, which is a bit sad, I love how they look, and play, but sadly, they can' t do that much
One big element Tribs hasn't taken into account: SPEED
Speed allows you to spam missions like capture, sabotage, rescue, exterminate and low level assassination a lot more. Allows you to farm end mission reward more efficiently, like opening relics and farming bosses. I don't think I need to explain why this is good.
If speed is taken into account I would at least move Nezha and Volt to high tier. Nezha being a tanky slippery boi. Volt being fast and spam 4 to nuke exterminate trash mob. Probably wouldn't move Zephyr beyond mid tier, because her passive makes her hard to maneuver and in general not as useful as Nezha and Volt. Some may argue Nova is even faster than Nezha and Volt, but I'm sure she's in the S tier already. Being the fastest frame just makes Nova an even higher S tier.
True, that's why I main Nezha, tanky, big dps with chakram, and FAST missions, hope trib listen to ya
Personally, I find that her passive makes her easier to maneuver, and super fast, because air travel is much easier. Her 1 is the struggle for traveling in areas that aren't plains/fortuna.
Volt I think stays down because he's so squishy, Nezha at least to high tier.
or top tier because trap
agreed
+Loki has the fastest raw sprint speed in the game but triburos probably knows that being a loki main
Personally didn't have a problem controling zephyr. She handels differently, but only in that you have more control then what you are used too.
Also we kind of have operatos if we want speed.
I fully believe that nezha should be in S+ tier. He's borderline broken.
With his augments, you get full team, sentinel, objective 90%damage reduction.
You also get some of the highest damage potential of any frame with his 4 - 2 combo.
With the right build, he's tankier than rhino while still being able to take advantage of mods like rage and health conversion.
He also has incredible team play with the absurd amount of health and energy orbs.
He is what Titania wanted to be; the ultimate Jack of all trades.
Crazy dps, survivability, amazing team play, amazing fashionframe, damage buff, hard and soft cc...
Y'all are really underestimating fire boi.
I plan on getting Nezha. Can you give me a few pointers on how to mods him? Can he do both support and super high dps at the same time? How does he stack up against premier damage dealers? Also, all those roles that you mentioned..can he fulfill multiple roles at the same time?
I agree with all of your points, I definitely think he should have been rated higher. However, specifically in regards to his team buff with Safeguard, I think Gara's Splinter Storm is almost strictly better. Nezha's Warding Halo has great scalability through the 3-second invulnerability mechanic at the beginning of casting, but this can be extremely difficult to time correctly when casting on allies, especially in PUBs; this often leaves allies with relatively weak shields, which must be recasted often.
Splinter Storm also provides a 90% damage reduction for teammates, but isn't limited by a health-pool. This gives it infinite scalability, and fewer recasts during high level missions. It also has the added benefit of of not requiring an augment, freeing up mod space.
I think Nezha's strengths lie in his personal survivability, team damage buff, great CC, and the ludicrous amounts of health and energy orbs he can make using Reaping Chakram. Honestly, I only use Safeguard if I'm playing with new players. I generally find that I'm better off using the mod slot to boost my other abilities to better help the team. Still, the very fact that he has this augment just makes him even more of a jack-of-all-trades. I think he's one of the most versatile frames in terms of mission types he can handle, and he's definitely one of my favorite frames. Way more fun to play than Rhino or Gara, to be sure.
@@Tymbee the main problem I've had with gara's 2 is that it runs on duration.
Because of the way nezha works, his 3 makes teammates a lot less dependant on him, wheras with gara's 2, you have to recast on a timer.
@@shirshanyaroy287 (Apologies in advance for the wall of text) Yeah, he can definitely fulfill all those roles at the same time. He's one of the most versatile frames in the game. In comparison to other DPS frames: if you *just* want to kill things, there are probably better frames. Saryn has possibly the best AOE damage, and Chroma the best single-target. But in exchange for some straight damage, you get much better Survivability, Support, Speed and Crowd Control. And it's not like his damage is bad, in star-chart missions, you can easily straight up kill enemies, and even most sortie enemies. If you go like an hour into a defense, you'll have to rely more on your damage multiplier from your 2 if you can't instantly kill enemies, but you're still doing a s**t-ton of damage.
This is my build here: goo.gl/U7VBYz , but it's a bit forma-heavy and uses Umbral mods. This is a very nice 0 forma build I just made: goo.gl/BmbHtN .
His 2, Blazing Chakram, doubles as his primary support and DPS skill. It does damage by itself, but the important part is that it multiplies the damage enemies take, and makes them drop bonus health and energy orbs on death. The bonus damage is effected by power strength, in my build it does almost x3 damage. Using this, the whole team deals more damage, and gets health and energy. If you hit an enemy who's already under the effects of your 4, it spawns extra chrakrams which seek out enemies, potentially spawning more chakrams. You can wipe out huge squads of enemies by doing this 4-2 combo. His Reaping Chakram augment further amplifies its damage and health drops.
In terms of modding, you want to have at least decent numbers in all 4 stats, so corrupted mods probably aren't a great choice unless you balance them out.
-Strength is probably your most important stat, as it determines your damage, damage multiplier, and Halo-HP/survivability. Mine's at nearly 200%.
-Duration is very important, as it effects how long your 2's damage multiplier lasts, and how long your 4 lasts (and also how long your 1 lasts, but his is easy to recast). I just use Primed Continuity for 155%, and that's good enough.
-Range really only effects his 4, but don't underestimate it's usefulness. With enough range you can shut down entire rooms of enemies while you and your teammates pick them off. Like I said before, using your 2 on an enemy effected by your 4 spawns an extra seeking chakram, which can itself spawn more chakrams; this is how you apply the damage bonus to all enemies with only one cast of your 2. Simply put, more range means more enemies hit by your 4, and more enemies means your 2 does more damage (especially if you use Reaping Chakram, as this multiplies the damage). My Range is 175%, which gives my 4 a 33m radius.
-Efficiency is somewhat important, because Nezha likes to spam abilities. I just use Streamline and leave it at 130%, but you could also swap Streamline for Flow/Primed Flow instead, and leave it at 100%. I definitely wouldn't put it below 100%.
My final thoughts:
If you only have normal Continuity, you might be better off dropping some Range in exchange for more Duration by replacing Auger Reach with Auger Message; However, I ***HIGHLY*** recommend you get Primed Continuity. Low Duration Nezha is a sad Nezha as you can't CC effectively, and your damage buff is spotty. Low Range sucks, because it makes him hard to play on large maps. Also, Primed Continuity is good for other frames, lots of them need Duration. Definitely worth getting.
In the 0-forma build, I used Power Drift in the Exilus slot, but don't feel married to it. A 15% difference in Power Strength isn't going to make *that* big of a difference on a build. Just use whatever you like. I use Maglev in my main build because it stacks with Nezha's passive, making my slides ludicrously fast. If you have Umbral Intensify, you definitely don't need Power Drift.
If you're having trouble managing your energy, Equilibrium is a nice option. With Nezha's 2 (especially with Reaping Chakram), you'll have health orbs out the wazoo. Though I find that his 2 alone gives enough energy orbs.
Don't use Rage/Hunter Adrenaline, it's a trap. The amount of actual damage you take is so small you get nearly no return from it, and it also takes forever to get through your shields to damage your health. It's better for frames like Inaros, Nidus, or Oberon who take lots of health damage. Nezha takes barely any damage at all. If you're casting your 2 often, you shouldn't even need it.
Adaptation only effects your actual health, your Halo still takes full damage.
The only survivability mod you need is Vitality. Steel Fiber is nice because it increases the base HP of your Halo, but you're better off just increasing Power Strength. With Power Strength as opposed to armor, you get slightly less base HP for your Halo, but you get much more bonus HP from 3-second invulnerability period at the beginning of casting. This bonus HP is why Nezha scales so well. You can't rely on the baseHP in high level missions, it's too low. Plus, Power Strength helps your other abilities as well.
Similarly, Health Conversion is a bit of trap as well. Because of Blazing Chakram, you can easily keep this up all the time, but it only effects the base HPof your Halo. Adding armor mods in general isn't a *bad* choice for defense, but in low level missions it's overkill, and in high level missions the base Halo HP isn't enough.
@@Tymbee do you have another build with the mod for the 3rd ability?
Mag is near S tier her bubbles have almost infinite damage scaling but we do not speak of mag
I will speak of mag she's a nice lass
Mag is a glass cannon therefore not worth using at high level content.
Have you ever bubbled a turret?
Most satisfying thing in warframe
You're wrong, mag is at its best at high level, where you can CC enemies and still do loads of damage when every other frames output fell off.
@@MrShnazer most frames become glass cannons at high level content, doesn't matter if it's been a glass cannon from the start
Volt's speed is enough to put him in S rank in my heart.
yes..Volt. mines is so fast, my teammate got angry.
@@tatotiteta my volt have either 237% strength or the other build with 265% range i had a mr 14 dude who was so fucking pissed cuz i killed 90% of everything at hydron.
"Wukon tier"
Oh boy this hasn't aged well
Yes, that's what a rework does
Funnily enough wukong is still in wukong tier. Just at a different point of the tier.
He should still be in his own tier. But this time near the top of the list.
24:28 To be fair to Volt's shields, they are REALLY strong against the Eidolons. Between them, the Lanka, and Chroma, you can dish out some serious damage.
Thank you for mentioning how much energy Nyx's 4 eats. Nobody else seems to talk about that at all.
Nyx can eat 700 energy on an absorb and have problems killing level 50 enemies, the sad part is that novas antimater augment turns the ability into a ranger absorb bubble, and is 100% better for 50 energy, Octavias 1 ability also uses the same gimmick and is one of the most powerful abilities in the game
@@GOLANX
I'd like for them to scrap her 2 and give a minor version of that buff to her 3. Also for them to take away the damage absorbed drawing energy and increase energy drained per second for balance. Her 1 is in a decent spot for now aside from controlled enemies going full derp.
Because she can be modded to be really efficient, I can stay in absorb for over 5 min.
@@QseftJohn whats the point doing that tho, its like pausing the game for 5 minutes and then dealing 500 damage lmao
Volt mid tier!? He is literally the perfect example of a high tier! He can do everything well, his speed is much more than a gimmick, and his 1 scales to infinity as a CC ability along with his 4. on top of that, capacitance gives him extreme survivability and his speed makes him hard to target. His 2 can be PICKED UP by him and teammates and block ALL incoming damage. the only issue he has is his armor which can be easily remedied by going for shields. I dare say he is the best CC in the game as he can obliterate anything but the lvl 50+ greneer with his 4 meaning he can be built with corrosive projection for damage comparable to top tier damage frames. He also has extreme complexity. He can be a riot management frame, a speed tank, a defense frame, CC/support with shock trooper, damage, and he can be good at all of them without specializing in any. Volt is far too underrated but if only more people played him. Anyway, rant over. VOLT is higher than Mid tier.
Volt's 1 is a horrible CC because it can't be re-applied to enemies already affected by the stun. It's one of the only CCs in the game that have that problem, and his 4 has the exact same problem where enemies won't even take any more damage or cc if they're already affected by a previous instance of it.
Capacitance extra Shields for survivability are not the best choice unless you're Hildryn; toxin and slash procs will still kill you regardless, and shields don't have any way of reducing damage taken to them like Health has with Armor. Volt also lacks shield gating, so his shields are just as bad as everyone elses, except Hildryn of course.
His shock shields being able to be picked up means nothing because you could just play something like Gara or Nezha and give your team 360 degree 90% damage reduction, they don't have to aim the shield at in-coming damage, Nezha's and Gara's can reduce damage from things that Volt's shield *can't* block, and they also aren't restricted to only using their secondary. Also, it requires yet another augment to give them the ability to pick them up, and even pub team mates won't even know you're running it most of the time.
Best CC in the game is a complete outright incorrect assumption; what kind of CC can't be refreshed on enemies already affected by it?
Volt does a lot of things relatively well, but there's far better choices. Remember that one of the major notations for those in Mid is that they're "often overshadowed, but can do their jobs regardless."
Volt fits that to a tee. There's plenty of other frames I'd rather play, but he still works. But he's nowhere close to my top list.
Oh my gosh! you noticed me! All great things you bring up, and I understand your assessment far better now!
IMHO and short as i can.
Volt's 1 is bad. Just bad.
Speed is good with the right build.
Adap and some armor mods (umbral volt xd) and capit will actually make volt decently tanky, more than any others in his category atleast, and adap works on shields.
Volt deployable shields are how you endurance run. They can be grabbed augment free now thanks to a small buff, but the grab is a gimmick as opposed to using them to lock down a hall, shocking them with the 1(its only use) and firing thru that. Duration matters.
Also why i think Geruda deserves atleast High tier because of ability shields (and bc no one knows how to use her 1 with her 4 to nuke whatever you want dead in seconds) but i digress.
Capi is dank CC in the low levels but falls off a bit before sortie unless you are fighting corpus.
Dont take procs, or be too fast to get hit, or focus on CC and only come up for damage when its out, and Volt will take you far long as your team is ready to clean shit up.
Sure saryn is better CC but that's like saying red lobster is better than mcdonalds but you dont feel like lobster for the 80th day in a row. She's boring and she kills fun for a team.
80% of the frames can be made amazing and endurance tier though building. Das all.
@@TriburosOnline Can we at least all agree on the fact that Volt Prime has the *highest* energy pool in the game? Lol (actually I haven't checked the stats on the new frames they've been putting out, but far as I know Volt is literally the Energizer Bunny, especially with Zenurik).
Whichhhh... brings me to another point, Volt built properly also has some of the highest usability in the game as far as his abilities too. Especially Capacitance builds that focus on efficiency and duration for just flat CC, speed costs nothing, shields cost nothing, and even his 4 is far less of an energy cost than other frames' 4 in any situation where it's in constant repetitive use.
And Speed also boosts reload speed as well, another ability you'll be hard pressed to find elsewhere useful (save mods). It makes survivals cheese and makes 50 waves feel like 5 minutes, with the right weapon builds of course. With for instance a Zeni at a doorway, shield up, using a high output AOE like the Zarr for instance (which btw each of the pellets when the round splits gets the dmg boost from the shield as well), speed when reloading and running out to pick up loot without ever needing to use your operator save every couple minutes or so to regen some energy, all at a minimal cost and max duration. And to top that off, anytime you slip up, simply CC with Capacitance, overshield, thin/destroy the mobs, rinse repeat. With the correct weapon build you can do MOT solo for hours.
And the best part is, Volt isn't even a tank, he just *is* good at outlasting and outdamaging/outkilling.
He could at least be lower-High tier.
Just my 2 cents.
Volt is practically best at killing eidolons, when your range goes to 265% u just need to run thorugh extermination and press 4 once every 10 seconds and then we also got one of the best meme abilities "gotta go fast" HIGH TIER.
The thing I love is how with all the other “bad frames” he had to explain all of their “good” uses and tries to give them enough credit to not fall below Wukong. And then he goes to Revenant. (One of my favorite and personally rated best frame) because 1. His minions chain to other enemies and can stall an entire fight by themselves with no added effort, 2. His Mesmer Skin literally gives him invincibility which scales off of Power strength which you come to find out, greatly benefits him, 3. His Reave does percentage based damage that yes, does very low damage... if you’re an absolute idiot. I GREATLY increases its damage when hitting a controlled enemy, so much that at 255% power strength (which is why Mesmer Skin scaling off of Power Strength is so helpful) it will literally one shot them. Now not only is it a one shot, but it will ALWAYS one shot because of it’s feature of being a percentage based damage, and 4. Okay I’m sorry, but if you only use Revenant for his 4, you should never have used him in the first place, his 4 is literally out matches in every other field BESIDES it’s random feature of giving overshield drops if you kill a controlled enemy with it.
God this probably looks really salty, but I’m really not trying to aggravate anyone (even if I was a bit aggressive in writing) because all I really want to say is that Revenant is unbelievably broken and can literally outmatch EVERY OTHER FRAME as long as he has a way to keep up with his massive energy drain, but that is so easy to fix with either another frame or just a operator ability. God DE please fix this frame, but don’t need him, just rework his abilities to not be so broken and PLEASE don’t let him just keep using INFINITELY SCALING ONE SHOTS.
(Oh yeah and if you either feel the same way about this jazz you can like it, or you can like it if you have nothing else to do and you’ve been trying to sleep for hours now)
Personally would put valkyr in mid do to her high damage output and cc immunity in her 4.
The damage aspect seems negligable most of the time but against a boss whose mechanics are immunity phases with short windows of damage openings (mutalist salad v, lech krill, kayla dethame) she can build up her combo counter real quick during immunity phase and basically one shot the moment they are damagable just by spamming E.
Beyond that i agree with this list so far and look forward to part 2
I think some frames (like limbo) can be anywhere from s to low tier. depending solely on the player and if they are in a comp that can support them.
**Sees profile image* I wonder what made you mention Limbo in particular. 🤔
Hell yeah my boi Excal is in the higher tier
Why shouldn't he, he has a good cc nice damage output he is not a glass cannon and excalibur umbra can fight on his own
Not surprised at all :v a warframe that can deal a fuck load of damage, crowd control (and obliterate that crowd in seconds) and quite tanky on his own. How can a frame like that not being in a higher tier
Excal has been and always will be one of the top 5 strongest frames in the game. When he referred to Baruuk getting outclassed by a better version of himself in S tier, it would be Umbra. Dude's OP especially when you know how to synergy self healing thru chromatic blade with gas damage and howl. You nuke whatever you want, refuse to die, gain energy from taking minimalistic damage, and generally give no shits, on a max 2 forma build if that (3 for the blade but thats to be sweaty)
MAG IS top tier oh my lord magnetize is unreal with so many wonky weapon combos you wouldn’t normally use. Her abilities synergize decently well, and you can pull off some pretty crazy choke points.
Penta... (said like "toasty" in MK) ;]
@Manuel Miko Delola ...pssst... do not detonate them grenades... ;)
Ever tried Exergis with her 2? It's beautiful
Yet her best ability, her 3, is useless on infested and her 4 is too much of an energy hog to spam. I still use her all the time though, she's great for 66% of the game I guess
@@sladikk 175% efficiency and zenurik are kinda needed for her, with those i never ran into any energy problems.
Zephyr's tornadoes double crit damage, and with her augment twelve nadoes and a few hits from a decent weapon and everything dies. Her second ability can be fired even while reloading to ragdoll, and jetstream her augment basically gives her budget volt speed and avcelerated projectile volicity the the point where I can accurately take down birds in peo with kunai. (This is mainly jusy for laughs)
Also ripline deletes enemies when used at long range, launching them into hyperspace to never be seen again
think you underrate banshee damage boosting since you can layer the hotspots
highest dmg buff ingame
Not usually useful in gameplay
@@white_cactus6258 his reason was that it didn't work well with abilities
Yeah but the content where you need banshee is basically only 10 hours into a survival. otherwise just do chroma or if dealing with armor ash
@@silverzdk not saying she's top tier but I don't think she should be bottom
My gal valkyr is low tier oh no
@Selem Bradly defy. Nuf said
@@albertschoise8091 dedy only works on wu kong not his allies
"Pull my Devil Trigger" Kitgun.
I see you too, are a man of culture!
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Good to see you back in the seat Trib, much love o/
You know it's gonna be a great video when there is "official unofficial" in the title.
imo you gave vauban too much credit and nezha too little credit
Nezha is where he is because his CC is only better than rhino in the duration but worse in damage his tankiness is outclassed by rhinos his damage ability becomes good once he uses the augment but is limited for the same reason as limbo where it only becomes good when there are multiple enemies which the mesa kills rhino's damage buff doesnt have this problem as the damage is outright and because of how it works it can also be used in plains.
Vauban makes his spot because he can do his job with little effort multiple times over which gives him use in the certain modes and when at a high enough lvl he can still cc even if enemies are so very strong that the dps frame falls off and above all he has an easier time with nullies
@@toiam8350 i don't think you've played Nezha if you think that his damage is inferior to Rhino's. I'll give you that Rhino is tankier than Nezha, not that Nezha has any chance of dying if you're paying attention. I'd say that their CC is about equal, except Nezha can chain more damage using his CC while Rhino's damage ability is completely separate and can't be chained.
@@Nedlius I don't think his damage is weaker when I play him I see his damage as limbos 3rd where is gets better as more enemies are affected he has higher damage potential than rhino but it is held back because it need AI tracking which can break from time to time and the fact that it needs high enemy numbers be get extremely high the reason and on top of that he is outranked by rhino's is because rhino has consistent damage that will always be there, it is more versitle as it can be used in plains and it has utility because of team buff nezha has great team utility for the energy and health orbs but that is still works off of enemy numbers. So basically nezha damage, utility and CC is godly in the face of rhino when the dps isnt doing there job
@@toiam8350 fair enough
@@toiam8350 but saying "rhino is a better nezha" cant also mean nezha is better than 80% of the other warframes. comparing warframes to rank them is great, but you cant just compare them to 1 other frame, you need to compare them to all other frames, and compared to ALL of them theres no way nezha is mid-tier
My drop-in-the-ocean thoughts:
Wukong: He's available from clan research, which is pretty darn available, and yet I never see him. I think that says a lot.
Atlas: As someone who honestly likes arcwing, I will get atlas eventually, but I wish that rumblers was replaced with something else.
Banshee: Banshee is an enigma to me. I see a banshee enter a mission, and I have no idea what to expect. Damage? Utility? Not to see the player for the entire mission as they solo half the map? She just doesn't have anything that she's known for other than one or two things you think of when you really try to.
Ember: I agree that she needs improvements, but the angle I see is that of area control damage: You want ember to build a fortress of fire and fuel on a point and burn anything that gets too close. She can already do that some, it just needs to be embraced.
Nyx: As someone who honestly likes minions archetypes in games... the main thing with Nyx (and a lot of other things) is just the wonky scaling. Armor scaling is in my opinion maybe the single biggest flaw in this game. Changing to more moderate armor scaling is something I really want in Warframe, but at this point I know it's likely not to happen.
Revenant: I'm one of the people who shoots thralls like an idiot. I'm sorry.
Titania: Despite everything, I still want to try titania... but mainly because her 4 looks like so much fun. I'm usually really hard on 4-spamming, but even I forget she has other powers.
Valkyr: If Rip-line was just given some QOL buffs she'd be played a ton just from the fun factor alone. In the mean time, Hysteria's health regain make her excellent for new players.
Zephyr: Looks like several tons of fun and as someone who usually just wants guns+fair survivability+a panic button I need to try her sometime.
Ash: I've tried Ash, but I'm too slow and too addicted to big guns to be an actual ninja. He looks like fun for someone else, but his playstyle just isn't me.
Baruuk: The basic idea of excalibur with more survivability appeals to me strongly.
Hydroid: Hydroid does his job well, it's just harder for him. He's not an easy frame to use well in any case, making him less popular than the ones that are still effective but straightforward.
Khora: I think the main reason she's so rare is the sanctuary onslaught requirement. She's effective enough, if she was easier to get she'd be seen more often.
Frost: Snowglobe isn't overrated, and that's a big claim in and of itself. My gripe is that his 1, 2, and 4 are all the same thing but incrementally bigger.
Garuda: Garuda has both energy and health management (as long as you're willing to play a little dangerously), some basic survivability, and two good damage options. Yes please.
Mirage: DUDE, MIRAGE WITH A PENTA WOULD BE SWEET
Nekros: Nekros is also a good beginner frame because of said health and energy orbs... and also the innate health management. I've seen a pretty shaky player stay standing and productive thanks to Nekros.
Nezha: My main. Nezha is maybe the best solo frame in the game imo, and then you can roll into public and slap halos on people and they'll love you for it.
Vauban: Vauban is a cool idea that has never been realized. And to make things worse, his most recent change made him worse in my opinion, taking away the only chance at survivability he had.
Volt: Volt is a strange damage/control/support frame that is really cool. All his powers have uses (though his 1 and 4 do have overlap) and even though I've never played him I can definitely see the appeal. He's got minimal gimmicks, fair usability, and he's available enough that anyone can try him. Really solid.
You should give Volt a Try. He was my starter and a lot of fun to use.
Valkyr's just great in general, even post nerf she is actually still essentially immortal, you just need to work a liiiiiittle bit harder. Also Eternal War is a thing.
Nezha is best boi though, I do agree with you there. Too bad the halo augment doesn't fit into my main build.
Mirage with Penta and both of its augments though.
@Kathy Kat At this point they need to refine Maim, too. Equinox has 8 powers and I've never seen one run something other than Maim. Ember DID need a change, I just think she needed more refinements in addition to the nerf.
@@Zevox144 I see we share similar, eccentric tastes in high explosives. I'm not sure I like tether grenades, but I usually use the adhesive mod for sticky grenades instead. Looking forward to the new augment!
@@TheAbyssoftheMind Tether mod purely because I can completely avoid self damage and go as explosive happy as I want with no repercussions.
YES my boy limbo is high tier!!!!!
yeet
I think it would be more of a surprise if he wasnt in high tier. Like come on his only weakness is nullifiers
!!!PRAISE THE DIO FRAME!!!
he should be in a tier of his own like wukong, only on the top of the list
@@zaryojida32 im not sure hes worthy for that because limbo really doesnt like his own teammates. But i can definitely see limbo in s tier
I just have to go out of my way to appreciate the chiptune Persona Q2 OST in the background. Good shit
starting a video with a TFS reference
you are my favorite man
This is veryyyy outdated, but I still love watching this
no mention of Savage silence? aight I'm batta head out
0:18 Now that Itzal is some proper unintended foreshadowing
I had NO IDEA Nekros' terrify reduced armor. Holy shit.
That persona q2 instrumental theme is the background though :)))
Hilarious watching this in 2022, when wukong was buffed so hard he’s got 60% of the playtime, and they just announced nerfs for him.
triburos: wukong is useless
wukong prime: i'm about to end this mans whole career
U put every nails right where it belongs , exactly every issue i have with all the frames mentioned can’t for part 2
At least my Bird has something, right..?
-...something?-
Zephyr is a mid tier in my book.
For anyone who never bothered to read the wiki, Zephyr's 4 DOUBLES crit damage to all the enemies caught in it. I have max efficiency and use her 4 like mag's 2.
Her 3 is pretty nice, as long as you pay attention not to get melee or aoe damage, she can't die.
So to me, Zephyr is a tricky damage dealer with survivability. She's mid tier in my book.
Zephyr is way underrated in the video. For being able to gain complete projectile immunity from a single ability, she really should be ranked higher. Especially good in open world environments.
Air burst is also great for popping crates and even killing trash faster than Ember, since the ability has a fairly low energy cost, can be cast while other instances exist (unlike Cataclysm), decent range, goes through walls, and doesn't interrupt moment.
First off. Titania's razorwing blitz makes her rediculous.
First off it scales off ability strength. And massively. A decent balance between ability strength efficiency and duration will give you arpund a +160% bonus to her zippy movement speed, and already insane fire rate of Dex pixia. Dex pixia also has an extremely high status and crit chance. Her lack of tankyness can by negated by the basic glass cannon theory she follows:
If they are already dead, they cant shoot back.
With a max strength razorwing blitz (which I have managed to complete survival without exiting razorwing despite the energy drain) i can cross Ocean to ocean in peo under 20 seconds, remove all armor in four shots, and am dealing damage that rivals everything but my clanmate's god riven atterax that hit the 64 bit integer limit in damage and one hits everything in the fucking game.
Also, it may be a bug, but when you aren't doing the satisfying task of dropship whack-a-mole, enemies seem to have an extremely hard time noticing small titania unless i fly straight into them and even then they occaisonally dont notice me.
Shut up nerd
I've been running umbral mind pointing me to a build?
Also aviator got fixed so that it works with razorwing, so that definitely will help a bit.
Love how Wukong went from being the worst frame to being the most braindead broken frame
Happy to see this a year later and notice a number of the lower frames have either been reworked and/ or indirectly buffed by mainlines.
Nekros, Nezha and especially Volt should go into a higher tier.
Nekros only good for farming. The shield of shadows is mandatory for him if you want a """"Tank"""". And so no space for the desacrate augment. No damage output, some cc (Vauban is better) , a little tankiness. And he is mainly used for his 3, yeah we know, it can replave healt, but he is almost useless outside of farming
@@therekter7871 you know despoil + health conversion combo exists, right?
I gotta disagree pretty handily on Revenant, dude. There's a few things you didn't mention;
Mesmer Skin stuns enemies who shoot it. This doesn't work on all enemies, admittedly, so you might need to keep an eye out on it, but this is what prevents it from being used up too quickly. Stunned enemies can then be thralled at no energy cost at all. Mesmer Skin was bugged not too long ago, so that might have coloured some experiences. It's also worth noting that Mesmer Skin makes you immune to all self-damage; use the Lenz or Phantasma's secondary fire with him, you'll thank me later.
Reave lets Revenant avoid damage completely, heals him, and deals damage based on a percentage of a given enemy's total HP. This is *huge,* and lets Reave do plenty of damage just on its own, with the effect doubled on Thralls.
Enthrall just got buffed, but seeing when the video was made, I wouldn't hold that against you at all. I think of Enthrall as more of a soft CC ability for getting rid of things that bother you. Nox, Ancients, Eximi, anything. You are then free to shoot them in the face with no repercussions.
Danse Macabre still scales incredibly well thanks to the fact it adapts to different health types. It deals Corrosive against armour, Magnetic against Shields, and Gas against Infested Flesh. It's super energy-hungry, aye, so you can only use it periodically.
He is a very solid frame now. His 4 got overnerfed, but the other parts of his kit have really picked up the pieces.
Ya I main revenant and I run a 250 power strength build so I can one shot any enthralled enemy. It's so satisfying
Agreed. If you know how to build him right and use his abilities right he's pretty strong.
how do I make my revenant good? I still can't seem to easily kill enemies over level 60 with his 4 :(
@@notgray88 You don't mod him for 4. His murder tools are Enthrall plus Reave. In that order. His only downsides are his energy consumption and that he's just not a team player. For murdering Lv. 100s like Lv. 3s on a solo mission, Revenant is god tier strong. Just make sure your ability strength is high enough to have Reave deal 100+% damage on thralls.
You definitely took the road less taken with this video.
I'mma have to have you reconsider Valkyr:
-Quick Thinking + Rage + Hysteria makes you a Wukong that can actually kill things... like Sortie Ambulas (80% of team's dmg)
-Naramon + Blood Rush + Combo Duration + Endless War augment means you 1.) get to spin to win any high dmg heavier weapon usually picking weapons you can get red crits and 2.) get LOADS of xp from the 45% melee affinity bonus
-Rip Line is useful when you need it - otherwise you forget you have it
-Paralysis is also pretty much useless - sometimes the finisher can save time in really high level stuff - but alas - red crits above
Atlas rumblers to have higher aggro priority (lower than nekros shadows and ofc lower than true taunts), however atlas being essentially in melee most of the time cant benefit from it as sub 5m proximity ALWAYS has higher priority than increased aggro units (only true taunts overwrite proximity prioritization).
Also nekros and nezha not in High if not S? Both have complete objective coverage (unless you want complete stealth/invis for spy or its a DEcuckzine of enemies where they are immune to everything, aka eidolon, orb and arby drone/not actually enemies, but timed loot piniatas), easy to use effectively while having a active game loop for higher end levels, no other frame does their job as efficiently (technically they do eachothers a in terms of health orb drops but w/e) of being THE loot frame and THE give allies mega survival (gara and hydroid both being less reliable versions for that thing due to secondary requirements of tentacle touch and time upkeep instead of set and forget with nice ui note) AND can safely scale into insane levels (ESO excluded).
Nekros' loot potential doesn't really align much with our ranking critera here, though ofc his energy and health orb side of the ability was taken into consideration. The focus of this is just how well they can play the game. I took his loot potential into account for sure, but even without it he'd still be in mid.
Nezha is in mid simply because other frames out-class him, not that his kit is bad or anything. Nezha's mission coverage isn't as good because he has to keep resetting his 4, he can't just do a normal re-cast like some of the other frames I'll mention later. He has good damage, but if you're a client, lag causes it to break very easily and cause the hoop to not connect with many targets at all. Nezha needs an augment to give his team defenses, but other frames can give them defensive shields without the need of an augment, and a certain frame can give their 90% dr to even *more* things than Nezha can. Health and Energy orbs are nice, but there's frames that can give those values to team mates way more effectively than either Nezha or Nekros.
The definition of mid-tier is that the frames within it can be over-shadowed, but can still do their jobs. With other frame choices available to me, I can pick frames better than Nezha or Nekros.
Yes my boy is back with Warframe memes
Good Ol' Memes... lol
Holy shit, is that the 8-bit version of opening to persona q2 at the start of the video, my man
none of my 5 frames are in here so i'm pretty much looking forward to seeing what u have up your sleeve next time around.
But wait, isn't Vakyr a good melee focused frame with her Eternal War augment? And having good survivability?
Yeah! I main her for so many missions, plus you can get her to be a vampire like health steal with her 4
Eternal war u
mbral mods and adaptation make her ridiculous
If you think Volt's speed as a gimmick then you have never had a good speed volt. I finish every capture , sabotage and rescue mission in literally 1 min and even less than 1min. No joke.
You gotta step up your volt. He's easily A+ Tier if not S tier.
Using a 250 strength I farmed equinox from regor in 2 hours. (5 min runs)
Yeah, but Volt just annoys everybody else. Constantly rolling backwards is extremely annoying.
@@jonathandubinsky9390 You gotta pump those numbers up. Mine runs with 400% strength.
@@Papierflugzeug95 I think that's because you're not used to the speed. get a volt and practice. The sooner you get used to it the sooner you'll see how convenient it is.
@@arcanethink Oh no, I am used to the speed. I play Volt myself from time to time. But if I'm not playing Volt, I don't want the speedbuff. Especially when I'm playing Nezha, because that combination is absolutely fucked.
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Clem best Warframe… He deserve G Tier or God tier.... (Great video btw)
I'd argue with Revenant. I had a clanmate who joined our one hour long kuva survival challenge, and he had like 7% of damage taken while he tanked almost all damage, nad he was clearing even lvl 120 mobs with ease. He build it entirerly for power strenght, almost hitting 300%.
Most rev builds go for the efficiency and strength, and i mean being low tier doesnt mean he is neccesarily shit. His abilities arent just as good as other's. He would probably reach a higher tier if his enthrall was immune to friendly dmg like with nekros
@@CG-yj7kx th-cam.com/video/-G_X_sCaCVE/w-d-xo.html
Watch that, you'll see a bit about what makes Revenant so strong. In reference to his thralls, in most cases, you WANT them to die, it creates a damaging turret spire and spreads to other enemies.
Also, its, mentioned in that video, but to expand on what the poster of the original comment is saying, Revenant has the strongest armor in the game, as a charge completely ignores an instance of damage. Even rhinos iron skin, as ridiculous as it can be at low levels, has a limit.
So happy with Vauban and Monkey Fuck reworks, they have become some of my favorite shenanigan frames with Vauban probably being my favorite frame in the game
I remember old Ash where if you maxed range and pressed 4 you'd just start killing everyone in the room without being able to take damage. I still have a vivid memory of being in cutscene land watching my Ash teleport around a map for upwards of five mins straight on a survival mission from one button push.
(did this guy just put valkyr below VAUBAN and volt? )
Soz, Valkyr has to get inside each and every enemy's shirts in order to kill them with 4. She's vastly out-classed, especially by Excalibur. Chromatic Blade Exalted Blade is an extremely strong tool with far better range, and he can even boost his melee damage because his CC is a blind. He can also get finishers just like Valkyr can with Paralysis, but he can also even increase finisher damage with an augment if he wants. She's really not in a good place.
Vauban atleast can render an entire tileset harmless and unable to oppose your team in things like Interception, Mobile Defense, Excavation and the like.
(of course it's just my opinion) but I still think valkyr is still mid tier because of two things:
The Slide attack of the 4
And literal invincibility
Of course is the small range bad because you can't kill as many enemies at once but If you don't intend to speedrun everything and you play something like exterminate she is pretty good
(and her 3 is really good)
I think in this case we have just different opinions (and that is absolutely ok)
I run her as a cc machine with her pull mod on her scream, I can just pull a room on me and with the huge finnisher % on it just pop enemies, downside is the ear rape from screaming XD
Triburos but in mobile defence and defences and well anything with a health bar, she can use her warcry to buff armour and make them practically invincible, she can use her Warcry augment to make it last forever if she can get a kill, and you always go on about how range is king so having a whip or pole arm on standby will be no problem for the typical valkyr user. Valkyr yes doesn’t have much range for her 1-3 and 4 but does have the added bonus of being invincible, making her a clutch Warframe in case a player goes down, and the range issue can be negated when going against enemy’s like infested but those sort of missions are uncommon to come across so I do agree her 4 is a little downgraded by that, but overall, why yes valkyr does deserve to be in that tier she at least needs to be higher than vauban
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@@Niemandzockt *dabs with legs*
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@@Mello. *dabs with imaginary arms*
@@thelasthunter3123 It seems we need a Nyx for you...
When i played stöfler on Lua and i had a frost in my squad that refused to use snowglobe so i AS volt had to spam eletric sheild around the defense objective.
WAS THAT A TFS REFERENCE? YOU ARE A FUCKING LEGEND SIR
I think you might want to specify what level content your grade score is based off of. Because for long endurance runs, volt, mag, and banshee are some of the absolute best frames to have on your team in the game. And if youre talking about starchart-sortie level content, a frame like atlas will likely outdamage every frame in the game except a mesa and saryn, while essentially being invincible the whole time. So you might wanna make the parameters a bit more clear.
This is a must. Most of the best survival frames are in low category which doesn't match up with all late content, makes sense for sedna but not for sortee 3 30 min excavation survival anywhere past Pluto, or eso(metta or non metta runs)
So video #2 when?
Nice Dbz Abridged reference at the start trib
That's a nice devil trigger you got there.
Titania’s about to be godly when new mods drop the pistol one with 50% evasion because she gets 50% evasion with her 4 so 50+50=100 and 💯% evasion = matrix or ultra instinct
Kid SoulReaper it's unsafe to disclose any godly thing about any frame cause DE gon nerfirino xD
What mod is this?
I doubt it'll be additive, and if it is, I doubt the leave it like that.
Are you talking about Amalgam Barrel Diffusion?
@iSpy3210 I believe so
*TimeStamps*
Synopsis:
1. Not On This List
Excalibur, Chroma, Trinity, Harrow, Gauss, Grendal, Gara, Saryn, Hildryn, Octavia, Oberon, Loki, Mag, Rhino, Ivara.
2. Most data is still relevant, if it's not because of reworks or augments I marked it.
3. "No particular order" my arse, it's clearly alphabetical. >:[
0:30 Post Into Baseline
*DEAD TIER*
2:13 Wukong (OUTDATED)
*LOW TIER*
4:50 Atlas
5:40 Banshee
7:05 Ember (OUTDATED)
8:50 Nyx
10:00 Revenant
11:03 Titania
11:30 Valkyr
12:47 Zephyr
*MID TIER*
13:34 Ash
15:00 Baruuk (OUTDATED)
16:11 Hydroid
17:18 Khora
18:07 Frost
18:43 Garuda
19:27 Mirage
20:15 Nekros
20:53 Nezha
22:07 Vauban
23:35 Volt
*High Tier & S Tier*
Separate Video
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So, I just started this video and I can't continue without acknowledging the TFS reference in the intro
Revenant got an update where his energy pillars now enthrall enemies. It really really helps
as a volt main, volt has a survivabilty tool, his 4's augment. granting you shield all the time, yes slash and toxin is a problem but other wiser are his shield good enough, it would still be better if enemys udenr the effect of 4 could be stacked with the effect.
Nice DBZA reference
It’s returned and is amazing
I'd personally put Vauban in low tier for two reasons. First, pure cc isn't nearly as valuable as it once was. Lastly, Limbo (after his rework) exists, and essentially does Vauban's job but better because Cataclysm practically has the base range of an entire football field, while also having high damage potential due to his Rift Torrent augment, which when combined with his football stadium sized Cataclysm, leads to insane scaling, and he can give his allies energy for simply standing in his Cataclysm, and can heal allies with his Haven augment, and his 4 can be near endless with his Cataclysmic Continuum augment. Also, Za Warudo. The only reason Limbo isn't one of the best support frames is because his Rift Torrent augment only affects himself and not his allies. #buffVauban
I agree with most of the list but, probably just my experience but Valkyr and Mirage should be a bit higher tho I guess they're just buffers to weapons and weapons(which are their own kind of tier) and Nezha's and Volt's speed abilities are super useful.
This. Volt should be S tier for how integral he is for Eidolons alone. Valkyr Hysteria may be nerfed but she doesn't need more than Eternal War to be great. Mirage may be squishy and a bit clunky but has more damage potential than even Chroma (not that you need that much damage for pretty much 99.9% of content).
@@omgitalo Mirage can blind her teamates if used correctly which purs her at S tier. Valkyr is pretty good with eternal war.
I'd say frost is still the best defense frame at high levels due to his snowglobes invulnerability period.
Limbo is better because if a enemy attacks(if high enough level) the bubble after that period it can be deleted unlike limbo's which will always get the said duration
@@toiam8350 unless your playing against a nullifier
Ash is just "he's meh, but also he's THE space ninja experience"
ivara i see you sneaking your way to a good tier
Having a tier might be useful to understand better the warframe but do NOT take it too seriously, ANY warframe has "end game" potential (except wukong, he's trash). Thing is, Trib analysed the framers from a standard point of view (+ his experience), but that doesn't mean you can't modify and make a frame better. For example I can solo lvl 30 or higher interception missions with Revenant and Nyx with minimal energy cost, something Vauban (place a tier above) can do. I also managed convert lvl 140 enemies into sushi under 3 seconds with an melee only build on Valkitty (the tip is to tap into her 4 only in need, something many cannot understand. She's an angry cat, don't play her as a scary cat). So why not go and make your own tier?
Yea i think people take tiers to seriously. Its kinda funny really
this is so true i mean for god sakes ive used zephyr in solos survivals going up past lvl 500 easy
Wukong has end game potential. He can't die. You can solo survival with him and just chill pretty much.
@@silverzdk true but lets be real wukong while good, could be much much better, imagine if he got better stealth or an EW with better stats, hes got potential, but he cant really shine unless that potential is harnessed, not in warframe as it is now where just surviving isnt enough
Stop flattering Rahetalius, Vauban should be in low tier. There is a reason why everyone thinks he desperately needs a rework (spoilers: cc for the whole ability set aint good no more)
Nehza can buff with his Chakrahm pretty well and his damage far surpasses Rhino however it is more condensed. Honestly i'd put Nehza by Rhino in a tier list.
Nekros is best frame bone daddy and thus deserves to be in the top tier. He is a good tank, cc frame, and looter. Not to mention he is the only frame with only good augments.
Yeah, Nezha was really underrated here.
At least i know chroma is no longer a low rank frame but i still curious to see the rest and what makes them good or good enough at this point. good video man!
I think it'd be funny if this video was remade today and Wukong got his own tier at the very top.
oh no, you're the guy casting tornadoes on hydron D:
ey i needed that footage at some point i just so happened to be levelin things at the time
Garuda can be broken af if you play her right and also you can have infinite energy, so why low tier?
She is a good frame and fun to play, but there's others that can output similar damage a lot faster and energy is just not that big of a deal with some of the tools available. She is still in a good place I think mid tier fits her well
i realy enjoy this list gj Triburos waiting for the next part :3 btw i see you like Jormungand aha :3
Nice tfs reference at the start 👌
Mod Volt on Duration and Range not with Damage. He is high tier.
Basically my build. Also Capacitence is a generally amazing augment.
The MIGHTY SEER would one shot your petty wukong!
ThePope OfAwesomeness SEER CANNOT BEAT LATO
@@minghee756 oh yes it can!
ThePope OfAwesomeness SEER CANNOT BEAT EARLY LUNCH
Inaros is staring at you intently when you talked about wukong being a tank
While I understand your viewpoints on Valkyr, I would disagree on her tier, albeit I have always had her as my most used/main warframe, that may also be just how I have a personal build on her where her hysteria is easily able to handle many high level ads at once.
Either way, good video and quite informative.
Valk chokes on infested content above 80. She also chokes on heavy nuli runs. Shes great vs Grin. Shes firmly in mid tier.
Nezha and Nekros need to be in high tier at LEAST. Nezha has incredible tank stats and damage, and plays a team role with cc, a shield, and a debuff that all allies can take advantage of - along with free health orbs. Nekros is obviously valuabe for loot, but he can also be a tank and make even more free health orbs.
nezha is one of the strongest tanks in the game. adaptation stacks with warding halo. you basically take 1 damage per bullet. pressing 2(augmented) on enemies impaled by 4 creates a beautiful rain of health and energy that your whole squad can pick up.
@@estelsoldaccount2338 People keep underestimating Nezha but his 2 augment can wreak hell on enemies like you guys said some of the best tanking in the game and the cc while not the best is a really good o shit button.
agreed, Nezha was way underappreciated in this video. I'd argue he's just as viable as rhino at this point, just in different playstyles.
Nezha was woefully underrated here. He stands out most strongly to me here. My other disagreements are fairly minor (Nekros and Volt probably should be a bit higher), but Nezha was the one that struck me as really warranting reevaluation.
He and Rhino do similar things in somewhat different ways, but they're really similarly powerful and useful overall. In no way does he belong in a lower tier than Rhino.
I know where you can put Mag.
GOD TIER
Maybe like how we got Wukong Tier Mag will end up in Mag tier at the tippy top.
Mag is broke and a damn menace if you take advantage of her polarize augment and the genuinely broke lanka combo.
hell yes! glad i foudn the seriies after i came ack. its awsome
also volt is good for eidolons now i guess so theres that? but yea~ also eso CC on the 4