Kara, thank you for this video! In fact, your videos have probably helped me the MOST as I’ve begun my FMF journey. (I LOVE your pizza dough recipe, especially.) I bought the Ank, and I love it-but I also have friends that bought the Bosch, and they’re equally as happy. But your insights are so interesting to me, that the dough develops differently in each! I’m so glad you share your thoughts with us-I was especially frustrated with window pane, but making sure I add an autolyze step made ALL the difference. Now, it’s so satisfying to watch that gluten development. :-). I used to be young and cool…and now I watch bread dough. LOL
You’re so welcome! I’m glad my videos are helpful! And I LOVE seeing people get excited about gluten development! Because I used to be young and cool too, but now I make videos about bread dough! 😂
I got an ankarsrum for Christmas! I haven’t had a mixer in 5 years. I’m still learning. that’s so funny I find myself too watching it 😂. I just made your chocolate cake out of your cookbook:) for my husband’s birthday! We all loved it! Thank you for all the help with milled flour 😊
That is awesome! I’m so happy to hear you are enjoying your Ankarsrum, I love to watch it too. So happy to hear your chocolate cake was a hit! :) Thanks!
I have both and I like the Ankarsrum better for bread doughs and the Bosch for sweet doughs. One thing hands down is they are both way better than my Kitchenaid Pro. Sadly I have just about every attachment for my Kitchenaid as I've had it for nearly 20 years and it has never failed so it's never going to leave my kitchen lineup.
Yes, I agree with you there! I also still have my old kitchen aid mixer because I have the pasta maker attachment, and some others that I can still use the front drive on.
@@GrainsInSmallPlaces I still have and LOVE, love, love my original Ron Popiel Pasta Maker with all the attachments from when it first came out and I love it for making pasta with first my kids and now my grands. One of my kids permanently borrowed my KA pasta attachment I can't remember when but truth be told I like using my Marcato Atlas better when I need to make volume.
Hello. I'm a new subscriber and glad I found your channel. We have been milling our own grains for almost a year now and absolutely love it. I'm enjoying experimenting with different varieties of grains. I will probably be going with one of these mixers when my Kitchen Aid eventually bites the dust. I appreciate hearing your opinion on both of them. Also, I love your cat shirt. And that the color matches your mixer. :)
Thanks for your honest opinion on both of these I’ve been team Bosch my whole life. Ank isn’t for me for many reasons but I appreciate your honest video and hope to see more recipe videos from you using a Bosch!😊
I bought my Ank about 20 years ago when I needed to move up to a stand mixer. At that time it was marketed as the AEG Assistent. I looked over and nixed Kitchen Aid because I was just getting into bread baking and most of the models had plastic gears. About 4 years ago I added a Bosch Compact for smaller jobs that stays in one of my drawers. Sadly it’s been discontinued but is a great small machine and I use it a great deal. I looked at the Artiste at that time but wanted something with a smaller footprint. My Ank stays on my kitchen counter. I’ve been very happy with my choices.
Thank you so much for the info! I just started doing the fresh milled journey and i have a kitchen aide...and man her little motor gets warm when needing bread and doesnt do a great job. But does it.
I had a KitchenAid Pro for many years - it worked well for cakes, but struggled with bread dough. I had my eye on the Ank for many years, but that sticker shock. During the pandemic, I got the Ank right before the price increase. As with many things, I say buy the best you can afford because the cost of replacement/upgrade increases your final price. I say "cry once" and buy what I really want. Prices steadily increase so if you can afford it, but it and have many years of use with it.
Thank you!!! I have been trying to decide which one I wanted! Im going with the Ankarsrum!❤ my kitchen aid mixers just dont cut it making fresh milled bread!
I’ve had to fix the cog gear once already from trying to use my kitchen aid to make bread dough. I’ve only had it just over a year. It works for small batches, but 20-30 minutes to get it to something close to windowpane stage near overheats the motor 😅 I’m going for the ank when I can afford it, hopefully they still have the salmon colour as my family voted on that one to go with our wooden counter tops and cream cupboards.
Thank you for this! I’ve been wondering about the Ank because it looks so fancy. I have used my bread machine for years to knead dough. I wanted to love my kitchen aid but hate it. I don’t like tilt KAs so I got a lift one and I don’t like that I have to work around it. Love that the Bosch seems so compact and easy to put ingredients into. Still find myself reverting back to a bowl and dough whisk and relying on time to stretch my dough without having to knead it.
Thanks for comparing these! Makes it so easy to send people to you when they ask me questions and I haven’t tried all the things! I do have a question though: what’s the kneading time in your Ank with the dough hook vs the roller and the Bosch? I would expect the roller to take longer (just as hand kneading typically takes longer than a mixer). I have the Ank but haven’t ever used the dough hook since the gentle roller is the whole reason I picked the Ank in the first place.
I rarely use the dough hook, but mostly because it is in a high up cabinet that I can't reach by myself! lol But, when I have used it it is still pretty close for me to the roller ball times, maybe a couple minutes faster.
It took me awhile to buy one and I’m extremely happy with the machine. I’m a retired engineer and I have to say the build quality first rate, every detail has been refined over decades of mfg. I bake two 1 lb loafs a week. Occasionally a big batch of cinnamon buns, the type/size you get at the mall. Highly recommend it.
Sorry, I actually filmed this video a while back, but lost all the audio somehow (along with another video) So, I had to refilm it. I wanted to get it out before the holiday. But, I think you will be very happy with the Bosch! :)
Thank you for the insight. I have only used a bosch. Unfortunately, we had an issue with the blender attachment. If you dont get the bottom components screwed on tight, it leaks down little holes into the tower. That ruined my motor. Thankfully it was still under warrenty, but I was informed it is a known problem with no solution. I still enjoy using the mixer though!
I have a Zojirushi bread machine that I'll just put everything in and put it on dough cycle. I'll let it sit for an hour after I put it in to let the flour absorb the water, but it usually comes out pretty well. For dough I need to be a little more precise with, I use my Kitchenaid. What is the advantage of one of these machines over those options? Been eyeballing them but trying to figure out what the benefit is if you don't already have something.
I'm still learning with my Ank, but my understanding is that it's extremely gentle with the dough, so it's hard to over mix and it always turns out very tender. It's also very pleasurable to use, in my experience. There's just something about watching the dough come together that's very satisfying.
The main difference is how they knead the dough, you will get a nicer stretchier dough and faster without overworking your machine. The kitchen aid needs breaks between kneading so it doesn't overheat. The bread machine works for the occasional loaf. But, for everyday use, it can take a toll on that too. I hope that helps! :)
Instant sub. I make dough by hand a few times a month. Used to make weekly sourdough but fell out of practice. Always wanted to get into milling too. Maybe you’ll be my motivator!
The roller really is best with a wet dough, it does a fantastic job with a wetter dough. I rarely use the hook, but mostly that is because I have to keep it in a high up cabinet that I can't reach by myself. lol
I ended up just getting a Vevor spiral mixer. Man it makes dough so good! The dough is so smooth and the gluten develops so nicely. Id have loved to get a fancier Italian one, but I cant afford something like that. The Bosch looks nice, but I see a lot of mixed reviews on it. The Ankarsrum seems capable, but not a fan of the flimsy looking whisks and plastic accessories. Not to mention the design seems so odd. Like having to lay it on its side to utilize the attachments. It seems like they could have put a bit more thought into its design.
I prefer stainless steel, but the plastic does do a better job at not having the dough stick and grab the sides at times (This happens with all my stainless steel bowl mixers, not just the Bosch)
Heck, I would love to just be able to afford one of those mixers. The Bosch or the Ankarsrum lol. Both of those are amazing mixers. I've used both when I was in culinary school.
I get what you mean about the Ank taking longer with the roller. I don't have a Bosch, but looking at the video, the Bosch appears to tear the dough in the way I imagine the Ank dough hook would. Have you tried comparing the timings using the dough hook on the Ank? I'm going to try this out myself to compare.
How is the clean up of the Bosch with that center post? I've been leaning toward the And because of that center post and well its just a beautiful machine! My 15 year old Pro KA is still going strong and doesn't overheat, dad gum it! Also do you think living on the gulf coast and the humidity makes much difference in choosing a machine? My sweet dinner rolls reached a windowpane way before the dough made a ball yesterday. It was kind of strange. Thanks for all the great information!
Do you have an idea of the hydration levels they prefer? The percent? That would be helpful as I have to watch that, because of my altitude. It's complicated!
It is possible that your wheat berries are lower in protein which helps to form gluten, so it may be taking longer. OR if you are doing a larger batch, more dough will take longer to knead (I am talking about 1 batch (to make 2 small loafs) in each mixer.) OR if the dough is too dry it will take a long time to form the gluten (sometimes never).
It's clear that the Ankarsrum is the BEST, but both that and the Bosch take up too much space on my counter and I'm really happy with my Nutrimill Artiste, especially since I don't make enough bread to need anything larger. One thing though is I think the Bosch and Artiste have tricky advertising that lets people ASSUME that their dough hooks are stainless steel, which they are NOT. Nutrimill USED TO sell a stainless steel dough hook (for close to $100) which fits in both the Bosch AND the Artiste. I bought that a year ago and it's working fine. But last I looked they don't even sell the stainless steel dough hook anymore. Odd. I don't have an Ankarsrum but am under the impression that its dough hook really IS stainless steel. Is that true? Just in case I ever find myself in a larger kitchen and with a budget that allows me to get one. I have no problem with it taking longer! The Nutrimill dough hooks are zinc or aluminum alloys that APPEAR to be stainless steel to those without an eye that discerns the color/tone of real stainless steel. I had to look deeply into it to find this out. To me, that's a big deal. I don't mind the plastic thing on those hooks that come with the product. It's the kind of metal that is being used that I have a problem with.
I have the Ank and can confirm the hook is stainless steel. Haven't used it yet though. I enjoy the roller, but plan to maybe use the hook for bagel dough.
I understand where you are coming from, I did purchase the stainless steel dough hook after realizing the same. So, as of 2 months or so ago, they did have the full stainless steel dough hook. Yes, my Ankarsrum does have a full stainless steel bowl and dough hook, but the roller ball is plastic if you are using that.
Kara, thank you for this video! In fact, your videos have probably helped me the MOST as I’ve begun my FMF journey. (I LOVE your pizza dough recipe, especially.) I bought the Ank, and I love it-but I also have friends that bought the Bosch, and they’re equally as happy. But your insights are so interesting to me, that the dough develops differently in each! I’m so glad you share your thoughts with us-I was especially frustrated with window pane, but making sure I add an autolyze step made ALL the difference. Now, it’s so satisfying to watch that gluten development. :-). I used to be young and cool…and now I watch bread dough. LOL
You’re so welcome! I’m glad my videos are helpful! And I LOVE seeing people get excited about gluten development! Because I used to be young and cool too, but now I make videos about bread dough! 😂
I got an ankarsrum for Christmas! I haven’t had a mixer in 5 years. I’m still learning. that’s so funny I find myself too watching it 😂.
I just made your chocolate cake out of your cookbook:) for my husband’s birthday! We all loved it! Thank you for all the help with milled flour 😊
That is awesome! I’m so happy to hear you are enjoying your Ankarsrum, I love to watch it too. So happy to hear your chocolate cake was a hit! :) Thanks!
I have both and I like the Ankarsrum better for bread doughs and the Bosch for sweet doughs. One thing hands down is they are both way better than my Kitchenaid Pro. Sadly I have just about every attachment for my Kitchenaid as I've had it for nearly 20 years and it has never failed so it's never going to leave my kitchen lineup.
Agreed. I got an Ank for bread but love my KA for the attachments!
Agreed. I got an Ank for bread but love my KA for the attachments!
Yes, I agree with you there! I also still have my old kitchen aid mixer because I have the pasta maker attachment, and some others that I can still use the front drive on.
@@GrainsInSmallPlaces I still have and LOVE, love, love my original Ron Popiel Pasta Maker with all the attachments from when it first came out and I love it for making pasta with first my kids and now my grands. One of my kids permanently borrowed my KA pasta attachment I can't remember when but truth be told I like using my Marcato Atlas better when I need to make volume.
This is great! We love love love the Bosch mixer; really, nothing can beat it for the price and attachment options!
I am so glad you love your Bosch mixer! It is a great one for sure! 😊
For attachments Kitchenaide beats them all. But as mixers the Ank and Bosch are the best for bread doughs. Unless u get into the professional mixers.
I had the Artiste and ended up with the Bosch Universal. It's a great mixer and I've been very satisfied. I will admit the Ank is on my wish list.
Yes, I am blessed to have both to choose from.
Hello. I'm a new subscriber and glad I found your channel. We have been milling our own grains for almost a year now and absolutely love it. I'm enjoying experimenting with different varieties of grains. I will probably be going with one of these mixers when my Kitchen Aid eventually bites the dust. I appreciate hearing your opinion on both of them. Also, I love your cat shirt. And that the color matches your mixer. :)
Yay! I am so glad you found me! Thank you so much! I do love my animals! lol
Thanks for your honest opinion on both of these I’ve been team Bosch my whole life. Ank isn’t for me for many reasons but I appreciate your honest video and hope to see more recipe videos from you using a Bosch!😊
You are so welcome! I will definitely be making more Bosch videos as well. 😊
I bought my Ank about 20 years ago when I needed to move up to a stand mixer. At that time it was marketed as the AEG Assistent. I looked over and nixed Kitchen Aid because I was just getting into bread baking and most of the models had plastic gears.
About 4 years ago I added a Bosch Compact for smaller jobs that stays in one of my drawers. Sadly it’s been discontinued but is a great small machine and I use it a great deal. I looked at the Artiste at that time but wanted something with a smaller footprint. My Ank stays on my kitchen counter. I’ve been very happy with my choices.
Thank you so much for the info! I just started doing the fresh milled journey and i have a kitchen aide...and man her little motor gets warm when needing bread and doesnt do a great job. But does it.
You are so welcome, and I know exactly what you mean! Mine did the same.
I had a KitchenAid Pro for many years - it worked well for cakes, but struggled with bread dough. I had my eye on the Ank for many years, but that sticker shock. During the pandemic, I got the Ank right before the price increase. As with many things, I say buy the best you can afford because the cost of replacement/upgrade increases your final price. I say "cry once" and buy what I really want. Prices steadily increase so if you can afford it, but it and have many years of use with it.
Thank you so much for the great information!
You are so welcome! I am glad this video was helpful! 🥰
Thank you!!! I have been trying to decide which one I wanted! Im going with the Ankarsrum!❤ my kitchen aid mixers just dont cut it making fresh milled bread!
That’s awesome! I’m glad my review helped you make a decision! You will LOVE it! Happy Baking! 🥰
I’ve had to fix the cog gear once already from trying to use my kitchen aid to make bread dough. I’ve only had it just over a year. It works for small batches, but 20-30 minutes to get it to something close to windowpane stage near overheats the motor 😅 I’m going for the ank when I can afford it, hopefully they still have the salmon colour as my family voted on that one to go with our wooden counter tops and cream cupboards.
Thank you for this! I’ve been wondering about the Ank because it looks so fancy. I have used my bread machine for years to knead dough. I wanted to love my kitchen aid but hate it. I don’t like tilt KAs so I got a lift one and I don’t like that I have to work around it. Love that the Bosch seems so compact and easy to put ingredients into. Still find myself reverting back to a bowl and dough whisk and relying on time to stretch my dough without having to knead it.
Thanks for comparing these! Makes it so easy to send people to you when they ask me questions and I haven’t tried all the things!
I do have a question though: what’s the kneading time in your Ank with the dough hook vs the roller and the Bosch? I would expect the roller to take longer (just as hand kneading typically takes longer than a mixer).
I have the Ank but haven’t ever used the dough hook since the gentle roller is the whole reason I picked the Ank in the first place.
I rarely use the dough hook, but mostly because it is in a high up cabinet that I can't reach by myself! lol
But, when I have used it it is still pretty close for me to the roller ball times, maybe a couple minutes faster.
I love my Ankarsrum, but maybe some day I'll get a Bosch too. They both seem like great machines.
Yes! They are both great mixers! :)
Thanks! I seriously want an Ankarsrum, but reluctant because of price.
I can understand that, it is for sure a longer term investment. :)
It took me awhile to buy one and I’m extremely happy with the machine. I’m a retired engineer and I have to say the build quality first rate, every detail has been refined over decades of mfg. I bake two 1 lb loafs a week. Occasionally a big batch of cinnamon buns, the type/size you get at the mall. Highly recommend it.
I have the Nutrimill Artiste and am very happy with its performance and since I live alone, I have no intention of getting a larger machine.
Yes, it is a great mixer, especially for a smaller size family. :)
I wish I had seen this last month lol. But over all I'm happy with my Bosh
My friends that went with the Bosch are very happy…I don’t think your regrets will be too great!
Sorry, I actually filmed this video a while back, but lost all the audio somehow (along with another video) So, I had to refilm it. I wanted to get it out before the holiday. But, I think you will be very happy with the Bosch! :)
Thank you for the insight. I have only used a bosch. Unfortunately, we had an issue with the blender attachment. If you dont get the bottom components screwed on tight, it leaks down little holes into the tower. That ruined my motor. Thankfully it was still under warrenty, but I was informed it is a known problem with no solution. I still enjoy using the mixer though!
Oh no, sorry to hear that. But, I am glad to hear it was taken care of through warranty! Thanks for sharing! :)
I have a Zojirushi bread machine that I'll just put everything in and put it on dough cycle. I'll let it sit for an hour after I put it in to let the flour absorb the water, but it usually comes out pretty well. For dough I need to be a little more precise with, I use my Kitchenaid.
What is the advantage of one of these machines over those options? Been eyeballing them but trying to figure out what the benefit is if you don't already have something.
I'm still learning with my Ank, but my understanding is that it's extremely gentle with the dough, so it's hard to over mix and it always turns out very tender. It's also very pleasurable to use, in my experience. There's just something about watching the dough come together that's very satisfying.
The main difference is how they knead the dough, you will get a nicer stretchier dough and faster without overworking your machine. The kitchen aid needs breaks between kneading so it doesn't overheat. The bread machine works for the occasional loaf. But, for everyday use, it can take a toll on that too. I hope that helps! :)
Instant sub. I make dough by hand a few times a month. Used to make weekly sourdough but fell out of practice. Always wanted to get into milling too. Maybe you’ll be my motivator!
I love my Ank!!
Thanks so much
Great video
You are so welcome! I am so glad this video was helpful! 🥰
Question. Does the Ank dough hook work better for a stiffer dough? I am new to it and haven’t used the hook yet, just the roller!
Same for me.
The roller really is best with a wet dough, it does a fantastic job with a wetter dough. I rarely use the hook, but mostly that is because I have to keep it in a high up cabinet that I can't reach by myself. lol
@@lispottable I haven’t used that dough hook either. I haven’t felt the need! That dough roller is just so COOL.
I ended up just getting a Vevor spiral mixer. Man it makes dough so good! The dough is so smooth and the gluten develops so nicely. Id have loved to get a fancier Italian one, but I cant afford something like that.
The Bosch looks nice, but I see a lot of mixed reviews on it.
The Ankarsrum seems capable, but not a fan of the flimsy looking whisks and plastic accessories. Not to mention the design seems so odd. Like having to lay it on its side to utilize the attachments. It seems like they could have put a bit more thought into its design.
Does the ank mix and proof the dough?
You can proof the dough in the Ank bowl, but it does not have a warming or heating unit.
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My bosch has the white plastic bowl. I'm considering buying a stainless steel bowl. What are your thoughts on plastic vs metal bowl?
I prefer stainless steel, but the plastic does do a better job at not having the dough stick and grab the sides at times (This happens with all my stainless steel bowl mixers, not just the Bosch)
Heck, I would love to just be able to afford one of those mixers. The Bosch or the Ankarsrum lol. Both of those are amazing mixers. I've used both when I was in culinary school.
They are both awesome mixers for sure! 😊
I get what you mean about the Ank taking longer with the roller. I don't have a Bosch, but looking at the video, the Bosch appears to tear the dough in the way I imagine the Ank dough hook would. Have you tried comparing the timings using the dough hook on the Ank? I'm going to try this out myself to compare.
How is the clean up of the Bosch with that center post? I've been leaning toward the And because of that center post and well its just a beautiful machine! My 15 year old Pro KA is still going strong and doesn't overheat, dad gum it! Also do you think living on the gulf coast and the humidity makes much difference in choosing a machine? My sweet dinner rolls reached a windowpane way before the dough made a ball yesterday. It was kind of strange. Thanks for all the great information!
Do you have an idea of the hydration levels they prefer? The percent? That would be helpful as I have to watch that, because of my altitude. It's complicated!
Does your stainless steel bowl have the center shaft? Im wanting to buy the stainless bowl and found out there are two different types available.
Mine does have the center shaft, the one without the center shaft has a bottom drive kneading mechanism.
The bowl with the center shaft is an alternate bowl for the clear mixer bowl used for cakes, eggs, etc. .
I'm always fascinated when I hear it only takes people 5-8 minutes to knead in their Bosch. Mine is easily double that without exception.
It is possible that your wheat berries are lower in protein which helps to form gluten, so it may be taking longer. OR if you are doing a larger batch, more dough will take longer to knead (I am talking about 1 batch (to make 2 small loafs) in each mixer.) OR if the dough is too dry it will take a long time to form the gluten (sometimes never).
It's clear that the Ankarsrum is the BEST, but both that and the Bosch take up too much space on my counter and I'm really happy with my Nutrimill Artiste, especially since I don't make enough bread to need anything larger. One thing though is I think the Bosch and Artiste have tricky advertising that lets people ASSUME that their dough hooks are stainless steel, which they are NOT. Nutrimill USED TO sell a stainless steel dough hook (for close to $100) which fits in both the Bosch AND the Artiste. I bought that a year ago and it's working fine. But last I looked they don't even sell the stainless steel dough hook anymore. Odd.
I don't have an Ankarsrum but am under the impression that its dough hook really IS stainless steel. Is that true? Just in case I ever find myself in a larger kitchen and with a budget that allows me to get one. I have no problem with it taking longer!
The Nutrimill dough hooks are zinc or aluminum alloys that APPEAR to be stainless steel to those without an eye that discerns the color/tone of real stainless steel. I had to look deeply into it to find this out. To me, that's a big deal. I don't mind the plastic thing on those hooks that come with the product. It's the kind of metal that is being used that I have a problem with.
I have the Ank and can confirm the hook is stainless steel. Haven't used it yet though. I enjoy the roller, but plan to maybe use the hook for bagel dough.
I understand where you are coming from, I did purchase the stainless steel dough hook after realizing the same. So, as of 2 months or so ago, they did have the full stainless steel dough hook. Yes, my Ankarsrum does have a full stainless steel bowl and dough hook, but the roller ball is plastic if you are using that.
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