Haidt mentions the "like button" at 4:00 and TH-cam flashes a ring around the LIKE button on this video. lol. But seriously, great discussion. Huge fan of Jonathan. He's brilliant as ever here.
I thought this was an excellent conversation. If we do not start addressing the damage technology and social media is causing our children now, I hate to see what kind of adults will be living in our society 25 years from now. I do wish more parents would heed the alarm. I often see toddlers navigating their way around cell phones and tablets much more adeptly than I do at the age of 60!
The smartphone and social media released an evil genie and it is so hard to put it back into the bottle. But Jonathan Haidt is spot on and I hope he succeeds.
Psychologist Jonathan Haidt on why he says social contagion is behind the surge in the number of cases of people claiming to be transgender: "Because it happens in clusters of girls, it happens in clusters of girls who had no previous gender dysphoria when they were young."
I remember taking a month off of social media...and I just kept going. It's been a while since I've scrolled unconsciously on hypnotical apps. Social media is no longer social...it's hypnotical. The workbook called 30 Days Without Social Media by Harper Daniels helped a lot - it goes well with Jonathan's book I believe.
As I was waking up.... 50 percent asleep...some interesting thought came to my mind, the second thought was this is interesting thought, don´t forget it. that we as humans shouldn´t judge each other because each of us got completelly different experiences about some topics therefore we actually judge other person, because we are assuming subconsciously that they must have exactly the same experiences as we have, therefore we always think "i am right, they are wrong" it never occures to us, the person reacts differently because they had different experiences. but the thing is nobody is right or wrong if they had different experiences etc. World starts to heal if we will realize others have different experiences, and if they would understand our experience or opinion, we would understand their experience or opinion.. then there is a third side the possible bigger truth, that is genuine, not full of confusion, therefore people who do meditation are able to change their habits and mindset and feel healthier and happier. Scientists say 50 percent of our memories are not truth, because the mind uses to assume things etc
I had an experience at church a few years ago where teens addressed the congregation and shared their troubles. The four teen girls who spoke ALL said they were Self-Harming. I'm in my 60s and had never heard those words before, let alone that behavior. When Jonathan talked about kids learning behaviors (socio-genetically) from other kids, that really jumped out at me. I am CERTAIN that all four girls would NOT have come up with the idea of cutting themselves on their own. It was learned, and social media just super-charges those negative behaviors.
Keep getting the word out, Jonathan Haidt. "Smart" phones and social media are NOT a form technological progress if the tech is deleterious to society.
The need for congress to get involved is correct but keep in mind resolute lawyering will execute their duties for their client no matter the harm, torment or destruction of our innocent children. The problem is the practice of resolute law when children are at risk.
SPOT ON. Folks need to check their state laws. Here in OR, the law says that 14-yr-olds on up can manage their own health care (in WA state, it's 13!!!). What this has done has allowed these young folks to refuse mental health care--along with the inability to intercede. This, coupled with social media is a recipe for disaster. So saddening/maddening.
About Section 230 that Prof. Haidt wants it to be repealed and replaced. Silicon Valley senior journalist Kara Swisher has the same concern in her new book “Burn Book”. th-cam.com/video/EbxKPzCwGNQ/w-d-xo.html
What do you want to bet that many of the people who also recognize these problems and would like to see something done, are also investors in the companies that are ruining their own and our children. Isn't life so full of cruel irony?
Ricky Martin, when I hear the lyrics from "Too Pieces", is in that Micheangelo, Raphael, Carravaggio, DaVinci crew running down the alleys of Pope Julius II❤ Cool Dancer.
I agree with all concepts except for brains being locked to a configuration. That’s just myopic thinking. I believe adults can unlearn and learn behaviors with the right mind set and actions. So there’s still hope.
@dennisdee1132 He has expert knowledge, while you have general/generic knowledge. He is correct -- young brains physically change, through many phases, including *_pruning_* (14 billion neurons removed) & then *_myelination._* Both are permanent changes that adults can't undo. Your point is about brain plasticity. Though it's very difficult to unlearn deep behaviors learned in our youth -- it's why a child raised in a racist home/town can't unlearn their racism (this almost _never_ occurs). *_You are not an expert._*
Our national leaders received the memo regarding upcoming global digital transformations. Most ignored the memo. Florida began some planning 1997. As a nation, we did not heed and prepare, as required.
I hear ya….if I felt confident that the government would pull back after getting involved I’d be for it. But though it should be the parents they’re dropping the ball. It may take a generation to correct
As stated in the interview, good parenting cannot mean constant monitoring of a child. When social media is designed specifically to target and addict kids, THAT is not moniterable! The ubiquitous nature of the medium is now inescapable.
Many teachers say that the majority of parents are not able to perform as required. Our policies do not seem to priorities education and families in the same manner as other nations: Policy.
I think Haidt offers a third way in the adjustment of social norms. Just leaving it down to parenting leaves even good parents with the collective action problem of their kid being the weird one who isn't able to do the things all their peers are doing.
I grew up playing video games back in the day, and he's wrong about a few things 1) playing video games was very exciting. The rules for video game were concrete. There was no favoritism. If you were good, it was through practice and problem solving. Video games are merocratic that way. Kids who used cheat codes were not looked up to by us. The guys who beat the game fair and square were. And were excited for them. Any norm violation was "punished" usually in the form of ridicule by the social group. 2) kids are not allowed to jump off planes. And 3) we jumped anyway.
This is not difficult at all. I have kids and they either get a flip phone or a smartphone with Bark or Custodio. You can monitor, block or limit social media content. You want to lose your kids? Give them an open unlimited use of a smartphone.
PAY ATTENTION to what JOnathan Haidt says we've dnoe: "Replaced a PLAY-based childhood with a TECH-based childhood." Overdue to LIMIT PHONES (BAN them at school) & really limit them otherwise.
Proverbs 3: 15 Wisdom is more precious than rubies, And all things you may desire cannot compare with her. Princess Kate had a beautiful photo with rubies, Red Gems, of the Royal treasury.
@Seekthetruth3000 I see your point...sometimes I think children should be taught in school how to safely use technology, especially when algorithms flood them with harmful content. Ultimately, I think it is the responsibility of parents to be more involved in their children's lives and monitor harmful content and child predators that may be lurking. I often ignore content that I have not chosen to seek for myself, because I refuse to surrender my own free will.
Not exactly. Technologies have a telos, a purpose, and are designed to conduce to specific outcomes, the consequences of some of which may be unpredictable in advance. Others may be profitable despite their deleterious effects. Therefore, they are never neutral because the people who designed them are not. This is a more complex issue than you allow for; there is always a trade-off, and a cost-benefit analysis to be made. At the very least, the conditions under which the internet and social media are employed must have appropriate guard rails, especially for children.
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@@willmercurythat telos you mention has been known since the very beginning of the internet. Really going all the way back to the printing press. Once you open up the lines of communication, what does the Society do with it? Comm tech is an astounding way to 'open-source' the globe. Sorta the 'we are god's but for the wisdom' predicament.
It IS addicting. They’re all drinking coffee/lattes etc .. also. We were told decades ago - no caffeine for kids under 18 or so .. because it affects a still forming brain.. 🧠 Youngsters get everything now - still forming Brains …
I'm getting sick of Haidt. He's everywhere right now using fearmongering to get people to buy his book. So, yes this is an issue, but buyer beware. He's been trying to prove his hypothesis for years, and as he even admits, correlation is still not causation. He is not doing the differential required to rule out other variables for childhood anxiety and depression. And there are many. By making social media the boogie man, he is diverting attention away from the stress factors that lead kids to their phones in the first place. And those underlying issues need to be addressed. I see hundreds of kids a year as a psychologist diagnostician and I have only encountered a handful of kids who spend 9 hours a day on a device. But Haidt calls it an epidemic, blaming everything from suicide and the "collapse of mental health" on phones. Kids come to my practice when they aren't coping with life, and I survey their screen time. What I see are kids who are in sports, music, theater, debate, cheer, camps, clubs, STEM, art etc. Kids are busy with a lot of healthy activity (sometimes too much) and very few of the most anxious of them are ever on a device all day. I also see kids who are addicted to media, but there are so many variables impacting them, and the ones who are glued to their phones are seeking to numb themselves from other sources of stress. (If it wasn't a phone it would be something else.) The education systems are archaic (not teachers - but systems), they have fewer options to learn a trade, they have more obstacles to attending college, they see mass shootings, excessive cruelty in popular music, movies and books (don't get me started on YA lit), parents enduring economic stress, global warming threats, erosion of human rights and civil rights, they are absorbing plastic into their bodies at alarming rates... so many variables...Do you know what else happened in 2010? A cultural divide broke wide open in this country through a platform for open hate speech and poisonous grievance, the normalizing of bullying, and a wealth gap wider than ever in history. Kids aren't getting this from phones, but from us, the adults. If we want to know why kids are stressed, we need to take a look at ourselves as adults and ask what kind of world we are creating for our children. The problem is so much bigger than phones. And taking them away is not going to solve the problem. Teaching them media literacy will be a good start. But encouraging positive social platforms is another. I should just write my own damn book. And stop social psychologizing all over us Haidt, until you do your due dilligence.
Sorry, Just one more thing. Ask yourself, why is Haidt picking on kids. As if adults are doing so much better. Hold up a mirror, Haidt, and look at yourself...self-righteous, unquestioned, hyperbolic, stretching the truth, "This is about the worst thing you can imagine..." It is not the worst thing you can imagine. Well, maybe it is for you because you have imagined this entire "epidemic" so you can sell some books. Give us a break.
It would’ve been interesting to hear what Mr. Haidt would say regarding adults and their use of SM. I don’t think that Jonathan Haidt was overstating the harms of social media. He gave examples of how SM harms young adults in various ways.
Haidt mentions the "like button" at 4:00 and TH-cam flashes a ring around the LIKE button on this video. lol. But seriously, great discussion. Huge fan of Jonathan. He's brilliant as ever here.
I thought this was an excellent conversation. If we do not start addressing the damage technology and social media is causing our children now, I hate to see what kind of adults will be living in our society 25 years from now. I do wish more parents would heed the alarm. I often see toddlers navigating their way around cell phones and tablets much more adeptly than I do at the age of 60!
Thanks, Ms. Hoover, for this great interview.
The smartphone and social media released an evil genie and it is so hard to put it back into the bottle. But Jonathan Haidt is spot on and I hope he succeeds.
Maybe China has it right with the enforced daily time limits. Wouldn’t fly in America tho. Congress needs to put pressure on social media companies
Yet China planned and handles challenges with their learners as 1 global tech leader. Why?
@@sirdiealot53 , Culture!
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Also different priorities over decades!
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Psychologist Jonathan Haidt on why he says social contagion is behind the surge in the number of cases of people claiming to be transgender: "Because it happens in clusters of girls, it happens in clusters of girls who had no previous gender dysphoria when they were young."
I remember taking a month off of social media...and I just kept going. It's been a while since I've scrolled unconsciously on hypnotical apps. Social media is no longer social...it's hypnotical. The workbook called 30 Days Without Social Media by Harper Daniels helped a lot - it goes well with Jonathan's book I believe.
I left (deleted) all platforms (except YT) in 2018. Best decision.
As I was waking up.... 50 percent asleep...some interesting thought came to my mind, the second thought was this is interesting thought, don´t forget it.
that we as humans shouldn´t judge each other
because each of us got completelly different experiences about some topics
therefore we actually judge other person, because we are assuming subconsciously that
they must have exactly the same experiences as we have, therefore we always think "i am right, they are wrong"
it never occures to us, the person reacts differently because they had different experiences.
but the thing is nobody is right or wrong if they had different experiences etc.
World starts to heal if we will realize others have different experiences,
and if they would understand our experience or opinion, we would understand their experience or opinion..
then there is a third side the possible bigger truth, that is genuine, not full of confusion,
therefore people who do meditation are able to change their habits and mindset and feel healthier and happier.
Scientists say 50 percent of our memories are not truth, because the mind uses to assume things etc
u r so right
I had an experience at church a few years ago where teens addressed the congregation and shared their troubles. The four teen girls who spoke ALL said they were Self-Harming. I'm in my 60s and had never heard those words before, let alone that behavior. When Jonathan talked about kids learning behaviors (socio-genetically) from other kids, that really jumped out at me. I am CERTAIN that all four girls would NOT have come up with the idea of cutting themselves on their own. It was learned, and social media just super-charges those negative behaviors.
Thinking the "Z" in Gen Z must stand for Zuckerberg. --Dr. Haidt's latest book is extremely eye-opening.
HOLY HELL does this make me thankful I don't have school age kids or grandkids!
Holly hell , every queer and transgender kids are so very glad that there moms and dads are nothing like you
The fact that you had that reaction makes me think you’re more qualified than most parents.
Keep getting the word out, Jonathan Haidt. "Smart" phones and social media are NOT a form technological progress if the tech is deleterious to society.
This was so interesting. Of course there is a way out. This problem is of our own creation; the solution is, as well.
Just PUT DOWN THE PHONES!!! Period. Let kids have them when they get them s ADULTS.
En 44 años de docente universitaria, nunca ví tantos problemas psicológicos en les jóvenes
Of the course irony is, I’m watching this on my iPhone.
It would be truly ironic if you were 13 .
@@priscillanielsen555 I’m under 16 if you use dog years
Use the phone as a tool. Don't let the phone use you.
@@brandonward2619 I use the phone as a tool to measure the overall mental health of the American public by reading the comment sections
It's not just children. Adults are affected by this technology too.
Insightful.
The need for congress to get involved is correct but keep in mind resolute lawyering will execute their duties for their client no matter the harm, torment or destruction of our innocent children. The problem is the practice of resolute law when children are at risk.
SPOT ON. Folks need to check their state laws. Here in OR, the law says that 14-yr-olds on up can manage their own health care (in WA state, it's 13!!!). What this has done has allowed these young folks to refuse mental health care--along with the inability to intercede. This, coupled with social media is a recipe for disaster. So saddening/maddening.
About Section 230 that Prof. Haidt wants it to be repealed and replaced. Silicon Valley senior journalist Kara Swisher has the same concern in her new book “Burn Book”.
th-cam.com/video/EbxKPzCwGNQ/w-d-xo.html
Who is the director? I want to cite this episode and I need that information. Thanks!
Was Margaret Hoover having a stroke when she read the voiceovers for this episode?
Parents are fools. But so are American teens. All should know better, truly.
What do you want to bet that many of the people who also recognize these problems and would like to see something done, are also investors in the companies that are ruining their own and our children. Isn't life so full of cruel irony?
Ricky Martin, when I hear the lyrics from "Too Pieces", is in that Micheangelo, Raphael, Carravaggio, DaVinci crew running down the alleys of Pope Julius II❤ Cool Dancer.
I agree with all concepts except for brains being locked to a configuration. That’s just myopic thinking. I believe adults can unlearn and learn behaviors with the right mind set and actions. So there’s still hope.
@dennisdee1132 He has expert knowledge, while you have general/generic knowledge. He is correct -- young brains physically change, through many phases, including *_pruning_* (14 billion neurons removed) & then *_myelination._* Both are permanent changes that adults can't undo. Your point is about brain plasticity. Though it's very difficult to unlearn deep behaviors learned in our youth -- it's why a child raised in a racist home/town can't unlearn their racism (this almost _never_ occurs). *_You are not an expert._*
Our national leaders received the memo regarding upcoming global digital transformations. Most ignored the memo. Florida began some planning 1997. As a nation, we did not heed and prepare, as required.
I fear the cure, censorship, will be worse than the disease. These problems cannot be fixed by state intervention but by good parenting.
I hear ya….if I felt confident that the government would pull back after getting involved I’d be for it. But though it should be the parents they’re dropping the ball. It may take a generation to correct
As stated in the interview, good parenting cannot mean constant monitoring of a child. When social media is designed specifically to target and addict kids, THAT is not moniterable! The ubiquitous nature of the medium is now inescapable.
Many teachers say that the majority of parents are not able to perform as required. Our policies do not seem to priorities education and families in the same manner as other nations: Policy.
I think Haidt offers a third way in the adjustment of social norms. Just leaving it down to parenting leaves even good parents with the collective action problem of their kid being the weird one who isn't able to do the things all their peers are doing.
@@jamiedorsey4167 , I wish him/us good luck with that!
I grew up playing video games back in the day, and he's wrong about a few things 1) playing video games was very exciting. The rules for video game were concrete. There was no favoritism. If you were good, it was through practice and problem solving. Video games are merocratic that way. Kids who used cheat codes were not looked up to by us. The guys who beat the game fair and square were. And were excited for them. Any norm violation was "punished" usually in the form of ridicule by the social group. 2) kids are not allowed to jump off planes. And 3) we jumped anyway.
Wow, she's full on...
This is not difficult at all. I have kids and they either get a flip phone or a smartphone with Bark or Custodio. You can monitor, block or limit social media content. You want to lose your kids? Give them an open unlimited use of a smartphone.
PAY ATTENTION to what JOnathan Haidt says we've dnoe: "Replaced a PLAY-based childhood with a TECH-based childhood." Overdue to LIMIT PHONES (BAN them at school) & really limit them otherwise.
Margaret- your introduction: stop shouting. :)
WELCOME TO FIRING LINE
Proverbs 3: 15 Wisdom is more precious than rubies, And all things you may desire cannot compare with her. Princess Kate had a beautiful photo with rubies, Red Gems, of the Royal treasury.
Mahalia DEserved Twitter with Julia
(suggestion for any guest of any video similar to this one (and life in general): no vulgar (or profane) language)
Fuck no
@@sirdiealot53 🤣
I think we're raising an anxious generation because of the bizarre way this woman speaks. If people could just be themselves, they'd be happy. DUH.
Julia Bertuch Mahalia ....
Julia Bertuch has .... Bratttttt Quote ME 1970
Mahalia Julia are Brats
man it would suck if my maleable childlike brain watched this video for 27 minutes
14:30
Julia Bertuch in her Bratty home Con never Get near Julia!!!!!!!
Mags……..reel it that intro k?
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Julia Bertuch is 6 feet away from Julia
How overwhelmingly unscientific.
The pretty lady has
Why is her intro screaming at us? 😅
She always does a shouting John McLaughlin-style intro. I have no idea why. She's Bill Buckley's successor. Not John's.
The fact that so many other researchers are calling BS in Haidt’s research and he’s not countering that shows the grift.
Sources?
Nothing then?
What about the great re-wiring of the Boomers? They're nuts!!!
Technology is not the problem. The problem is how some people use it.
@Seekthetruth3000 I see your point...sometimes I think children should be taught in school how to safely use technology, especially when algorithms flood them with harmful content. Ultimately, I think it is the responsibility of parents to be more involved in their children's lives and monitor harmful content and child predators that may be lurking. I often ignore content that I have not chosen to seek for myself, because I refuse to surrender my own free will.
Not exactly. Technologies have a telos, a purpose, and are designed to conduce to specific outcomes, the consequences of some of which may be unpredictable in advance. Others may be profitable despite their deleterious effects. Therefore, they are never neutral because the people who designed them are not. This is a more complex issue than you allow for; there is always a trade-off, and a cost-benefit analysis to be made. At the very least, the conditions under which the internet and social media are employed must have appropriate guard rails, especially for children.
@@willmercurythat telos you mention has been known since the very beginning of the internet. Really going all the way back to the printing press. Once you open up the lines of communication, what does the Society do with it? Comm tech is an astounding way to 'open-source' the globe. Sorta the 'we are god's but for the wisdom' predicament.
It IS addicting. They’re all drinking coffee/lattes etc .. also. We were told decades ago - no caffeine for kids under 18 or so .. because it affects a still forming brain.. 🧠
Youngsters get everything now - still forming Brains …
I'm getting sick of Haidt. He's everywhere right now using fearmongering to get people to buy his book. So, yes this is an issue, but buyer beware. He's been trying to prove his hypothesis for years, and as he even admits, correlation is still not causation. He is not doing the differential required to rule out other variables for childhood anxiety and depression. And there are many. By making social media the boogie man, he is diverting attention away from the stress factors that lead kids to their phones in the first place. And those underlying issues need to be addressed. I see hundreds of kids a year as a psychologist diagnostician and I have only encountered a handful of kids who spend 9 hours a day on a device. But Haidt calls it an epidemic, blaming everything from suicide and the "collapse of mental health" on phones. Kids come to my practice when they aren't coping with life, and I survey their screen time. What I see are kids who are in sports, music, theater, debate, cheer, camps, clubs, STEM, art etc. Kids are busy with a lot of healthy activity (sometimes too much) and very few of the most anxious of them are ever on a device all day. I also see kids who are addicted to media, but there are so many variables impacting them, and the ones who are glued to their phones are seeking to numb themselves from other sources of stress. (If it wasn't a phone it would be something else.) The education systems are archaic (not teachers - but systems), they have fewer options to learn a trade, they have more obstacles to attending college, they see mass shootings, excessive cruelty in popular music, movies and books (don't get me started on YA lit), parents enduring economic stress, global warming threats, erosion of human rights and civil rights, they are absorbing plastic into their bodies at alarming rates... so many variables...Do you know what else happened in 2010? A cultural divide broke wide open in this country through a platform for open hate speech and poisonous grievance, the normalizing of bullying, and a wealth gap wider than ever in history. Kids aren't getting this from phones, but from us, the adults. If we want to know why kids are stressed, we need to take a look at ourselves as adults and ask what kind of world we are creating for our children. The problem is so much bigger than phones. And taking them away is not going to solve the problem. Teaching them media literacy will be a good start. But encouraging positive social platforms is another. I should just write my own damn book. And stop social psychologizing all over us Haidt, until you do your due dilligence.
I would like to see a debate between you and Mr. Haidt. Would be lively!
What the smartphone did to children is nothing compared to what it did to Boomers and thus the world in 2016.
Sorry, Just one more thing. Ask yourself, why is Haidt picking on kids. As if adults are doing so much better. Hold up a mirror, Haidt, and look at yourself...self-righteous, unquestioned, hyperbolic, stretching the truth, "This is about the worst thing you can imagine..." It is not the worst thing you can imagine. Well, maybe it is for you because you have imagined this entire "epidemic" so you can sell some books. Give us a break.
Are you a bot or something?
And the badgering/hate-mongering continues. SMH
It would’ve been interesting to hear what Mr. Haidt would say regarding adults and their use of SM.
I don’t think that Jonathan Haidt was overstating the harms of social media. He gave examples of how SM harms young adults in various ways.