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In the scene with Sloth, the director purposely hid from the actors the guy was supposed to be alive so the reaction you see from them is a genuine jump scare.
They chose a skinny actor to portray starvation. The, already skeletal actor, starved himself, because he thought they wanted him thinner.
Worked especially well with the officer. He noped the FUCK outta there w a quickness.
I love when filmmakers pull this off like with the chest bursting scene in Alien. None of the actors besides the one that had his chest bursted knew about it. Another similar scene is in Rob Zombie's Halloween when Michael smashes Loomis' car window to drag Laurie out. Michael McDowell wasn't told and his abrupt "What the hell?!" was not acting.
@@Verasoul Sir John Hurt was the chest burst guy. An amazing actor. May he RIP. 💙
David Mill's sin was wrath and his wife died in his place. It says in Genesis 2 that husband and wife will become one flesh, so if you consider it from that perspective.. Mills didn't die himself but his own flesh did. So yes, Tracey's death stands for her husband's wrath.
Mill's own flesh is his and Tracey's kid in the womb. Tracy was only a carrier.
Also, it could be argued that it was David's wrath at the stairwell that caused John Doe to target him as the last victim in the first place, thereby leading to the end of his family life, and that it was also his wrath that ended his career the moment he executed John Doe. The final act of John Doe's plan could be read as Wrath figuratively killing himself.
That being said, John Doe never said that his plan was to kill seven people in a manner related to their sins. We, as the audience, assume that because that's how the plan starts. But, really, the only goal he ever discusses is to create a spectacle/event/art/whatever that shocks the world out of its apathy. He accomplishes that without killing David by pushing David into embodying wrath (thereby proving his earlier stated point that even the most supposedly heroic, admirable person is not above sin) and we see one result of his act: Somerset, who was going to retire, decides not to. In other words, he was shocked out of his apathy and reevaluated his decision to give up on the world (saying, at the end, that he believes the world "is worth fighting for").
There didn't have to be a seventh sin-related murder victim for John Doe's plan to be fulfilled. Tracy and the baby were just tools to get Mills to take on the role of Wrath, prove Doe's point, and wake people up.
She didn't "die in his place". She merely died to entice him to become wrath. His punishment was his wife dying - not "dying in his place".
Or his death could be execution for the murder.
But probably not likely in a crime of passion
@@johnplaysgames3120 Not that it would wake people up.
Any sane person would be fine with him shooting the psycho.
By sane I mean not Democrats.
They would totally side with the psycho
He killed Tracy because he was envious of the life she and David had, which caused the wrath of David to kill him.
yes alex's wife went full dunce at the end not comprehending it. "i think the baby would be 8 right?"
Yep. And the last 2 punishments is to the killer (for envy) and to David (for wrath). David's wife death was not one of the 7 punishments of sin, just a "tool" to bring about the last 2 punishents. Oh, and David was punished not by being murdered for his wrath, but through the murder of his wife (nobody said all punishments have to murders of the sinner. It just so happened that 6 were).
but wrath didn't die so he didn't win
@@mikemath9508 Wrath didn't have to die. Just to be punished. Mills was punished for wrath through the murder of his wife.
I always assumed David got the death penalty, completing the 7 sins.
She is *FAR* too hung up on "The *Death's* must represent each sin"... that wasn't the plan. There didn't even need to be 7 dead people, the *SINS* are the point, *NOT* the deaths. And because she was so hung up on that non-point, you guys basically missed one of the greatest lines ever spoken, especially in Morgan Freeman's immaculate voice:
"Earnest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." .... I agree with the second part."
As in.. the world is *NOT* a "fine place".... but it *IS* worth fighting for. And that basically *IS LIFE.* I learned a *LONG* time ago... "fair" is something to be sought after but *NEVER* expected, because Life... *IS NOT* "Fair"... at all.
life is definitely not fair
They have no idea who Ernest Hemingway was nor are they used to movies where listening is important...
In reality, life is just, and that is enough. But in an economic power structure, life is not only unfair, but apparently a privilege or a right.
in the movie script they specify that killing a suspect in custody is automatic death penalty for Mills
yeah... these two blow
I've never seen someone so clueless and confused at the end of Seven. He literally explained the ending correctly and she ignored him and found the exact same answer. Yikes
ahhaahha
I couldn't have said it better.. That was very embarrassing for her especially on camera. How can you be that clueless.. Dear lord!
You're wrong. The killed people were supposed to be the sinners. However, story isn't as good of Tracey doesn't get killed.
@@stephenswavely231 LOL..
Omg 🤦🏿♀️ TRACY was not a sin lol.....
*David Fincher* is one of the all time great filmmakers. *Fight Club, Panic Room, The Girl with a Dragon tattoo, Zodiac, The Social Network and Gone Girl* - Fincher classics.
Yeah those are all good.. liked gone girl too.
Fincher and Nolan are two of the best directors in the last 30 years.
Girl with a dragon tattoo is just a copy of the Swedish movie but with English speaking actors.
I will defend Alien 3 until the day I die.
"He's a bit of a creeper."
Hell of a method actor, that Kevin Spacey.
Creep or not he's a superb actor.
@@V3x0rAgreed. If we condemned the work of every artist who had-shall we say-‘questionable’ morality, we’d have none. It’s been statistically proven, though I can’t recall where (I read this maybe 15 years ago), that geniuses are more inclined to vices in general, and addictive ones in particular. That’s one of the reasons Sir Arthur Conan Doyle’s Sherlock Holmes was so ahead of his time: AFAIK, he’s one of the first writers in popular culture to depict an archetypal INTP character as an hero, but a flawed hero. Holmes typically preferred his own company, came across as brusque, and had addictions to tobacco, cocaine, and opium.
That is one of the most disturbing movies, I've ever seen - and one of the best! That ending is just so well done
The acting in that car is the best I have ever seen.
Y'all: "Oh, 1995 LOL I was 1, you were 3, LOLOLOL"
I'm over here weeping cause I was watching it in the movie theater during college. Sigh. ANYWAY, seeing this in the theater was a trip. Grown adults, tough guys all around, screaming and yelling at the screen, it was absolute chaos. Great times.
I had just gotten out of college in 1995, and you are not wrong. We had to go to the nearest coffee shop to wrestle with this movie because you couldn't just forget it, much less its ending.
Well, i were 26, and watched It with 2 female Friends, and we just did sit and beeing silent for some Minutes right after the Watch in the Bar at the Cinema. After 5 Minutes one came up: so much for an funny Saturday Evening downtown(or how you translate Altstadt-Oldtown?). Some Moments later we were on our Way to our Homes. Really punched us at that Time.
It surprisingly lost an good Amount of its Horror somehow for me. Perhaps bcs the last 20 Years did escalate in the Medias in Cases of Brutality and Extremes, Ppl doing literally anything to be noticed or simply dont care about other Human Lives to reach Their Goals. All live televised ofc. So back Then that was an whole new Level. Horrifying its not anymore today for me, got to Think that one out ......
I had just started college, it was a really strange time for me, and my friends (from high school) and I went to see this movie- it was really telling that I was the only one who loved the film, my friends all absolutely hated it. I had never seen anything like it and was amazed that a movie like this, with such an ending, could exist- nothing I had seen before could have prepared me.
"He's a really good creeper". He sure is :D Both in acting and real life.
In case no one else mentioned it, when they yell "Dicks" it's not meant as an insult, it's shorthand/slang for detectives, because PIs and detectives "watch" things, and "to dick" means "to watch." It started as mafia/mob slang, and then became mainstream with Dick Tracy, and still happens in departments today.
This is one of the most memorable theatrical experiences ever. I knew nothing going in, and by the time I walked out I felt like I had been hit over the head with a bat.
I also knew I had just seen an absolute masterpiece.
same here, very few movie have that effect, and its wonderfull when it happens :)
So you can't focus on trying to equate Tracy's death with any Sin at all--she and the unborn baby represent Innocence, which is a victim of Sin. The overall purpose of John Doe's "storytelling" is to demonstrate the raw brutality of each of the Seven Deadly Sins, and as he mentioned in the ride to the last scene, people have become so inured to the sins around us every day that he has to illustrate them in the most brutal way possible--death by murder.
Tracy's death was also of course the trigger to get Mills to become the last sin: Wrath.
To put it another way, the deaths in the film are all incidental to the story John is trying to illustrate: they are simply an in your face underline with multiple exclamation points to highlight the corresponding Sin itself.
I think you have to view the final 2 sins as "un-scripted", in a way, since it seems like John Doe became quickly enamored with Mills who had only arrived a week prior. I agree with you regarding Doe's plan to illustrate the sins in a very specific way, but for the final 2 he had to create a new ending on the fly.
It might sound brutal for most people on today's society but he's right, if you want to get someone's attention, tapping on the shoulder might not be enough, you need to slap them on the face.
@@dailyreddit3290 Yes, but nobody is entitled to have the attention of anybody else.
I think by having the woman choose to kill herself and the sex worker killed by the person lusting after her (she was the object of lust, she did not go to his office to get him to go looking for sex - she could have been anyone. The device was made to punish & break the person wearing it. The one who was lustful.)
I think each were acts involving death but not necessarily everyone killed was guilty of a sin. It was the whole artistic tableau of playing God.
Into the same genre I recommend you watch "The bone collector" with Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie. Another very good movie.
Very underappreciated movie!
Just don't read the book first! It makes the movie suck.
"This movie was made in 95', I was ONE?" WOW!!! Way to make me feel old 😧
And I was 27...😢
WOW. Trying to get her to understand the ending which was EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE MOVIE was like pulling teeth! John Doe was Envy. Mills was wrath. He used the death of Tracy, then taunted him about it, to get the reaction he wanted out of Mills. She wasn't one of the sins: she was a tool to get Mills to kill him. Det. Mills had a short fuse the whole movie. Good grief!
The only logical explanation is the one i saw in comments: "David Mill's sin was wrath and his wife died in his place. It says in Genesis 2 that husband and wife will become one flesh, so if you consider it from that perspective.. Mills didn't die himself but his own flesh did. So yes, Tracey's death stands for her husband's wrath.'
But its a complicated one. I think her point was - everyone died for his/her own sin and representing the sin. Tracy died "with no sin" and that breaks the logic of all other murders
@@MrLegovas That's not a logical interpretation of it at all. The logical interpretation is that John Doe's plan was to make someone representative of each of the seven sins suffer for that sin. So he got himself killed for envy, caused Mills to have to live with his wife's and child's deaths and also destroy his career, made the lust victim live with having been forced to kill a prostitute, made the pride victim choose between death and disfigurement, etc.
@@IcyTorment Thats true, the Lust dude did survive too, thank you. In that case i like the concept itself a little less i think
This is a film you’ll remember for a long time. Here we go! 🤗
Right on. Yet another shining example of why the 90's were the golden age of film. Fincher hits hard here in mood and atmosphere. And of course, there's the plot resolution... And, Spacey knocks it out of the park and steals the film. Brilliant.
Golden age of film... Wow...
Definitely watch "Fight Club" - fantastic movie, very well-directed, and just a visual treat! Loving the new channel!
seconded. Fight Club, if you haven't seen it. I'd watch that reaction. I'd watch it twice.
I don't think both of these people will understand that movie...
They won’t understand the tenet or memento
First, I found your channel a couple days ago and I binged your marvel playlist. I can’t explain how much I enjoy your joy in those videos. Well done.
Secondly, I worked in a pawn shop and every time someone brought in a closed box I’d say “what’s in the box?” like Brad Pitt. Honestly, 50% of the time they’d respond “It’s Gwyneth head.”
Life was simpler before we knew what was in the box
I bought a TV a couple of days ago, and the instruction booklet had a page titled: What's in the box. I laughed uncontrollably at that. There's also a moment in the old classic To Kill A Mockingbird film where Jem has been collecting things from the Radley's tree by the street, and Scout sees him messing around with the stuff on his bed, and she says: What in the box? I can never see that the same way. I love "What's in the box." Especially since I can't stand Gwyneth Paltrow! LOL
LOL!!! Alex's reaction to the Sloth jump-scare (14:30) was priceless!! He jumped more than Sara did, haha!
That is why I watch reaction videos! 😀
haha thanks for watching!
I’ve never seen anyone so confused by the ending, lol! Mrs. Hefner...you’re being too literal...Tracy was a means to an end. Mills “was” the 7th victim. He didn’t “literally” die, but his career, his life, everything important to him was destroyed. So, he, essentially, died. Does that clear things up? 😸
he died according to the movie script - automatic death penalty for killing a suspect in custody
@@billymuellerTikTok Wow. I never heard that, all these years...I could’ve sworn that his partner was going to see that he gets the very best leniency...I imagined an asylum situation...
@@Lestat13 they changed the ending when they made the movie and left it ambiguous as to what happens with Mills by having the police captain say "we'll take care of him" which either means we'll lock him up or we'll make sure he gets a good defense lawyer (if there are any left - one was killed and John Doe used another) and had Somerset stay on and not retire and added the Hemingway quote about the world being worth fighting for. there are several different versions of the screenplay, one where Mills shoots Somerset in the shoulder and then kills John Doe. Another there Somerset throws his switchblade at Mills to try to prevent him from killing John Doe. Personally, I think any good lawyer would at the very least plea bargain to avoid the death penalty or get the charges against Mills lowered to temporary insanity over hearing about his wife and baby's murder.
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I definitely believe, with his record & the fucked up circumstances, he’d get an insanity plea or homicide, with a suspended sentence, irl. I’m happy with the direction that they went with the ending.
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totally i wrote the exact same thing, when someone said he'd get life in jail on another se7en reaction 2 months ago....here it is:
"The interesting thing to ponder about the ending (just to think about)...i don't think they'd send mills to jail.
He'd probably plead temporary insanity....which is completely understandable. No way he'd go to prison due to the circumstances.
A judge would be sympathetic, he'd have top notch defense attorneys provided by the police union. Somerset would testify as to his state of mind at the time (finding out his wife & unborn child that he did not know about had been slaughtered).
The District Attorney had been in the room with Mills & Somerset with John Doe's lawyer, who said Doe himself would plead insanity, if Mills & Somerset won't go with him. The Attorney said that they all knew that he could get him off o an insanity plea due to the extreme nature of the crimes.
The D.A. would likely immediately offer an easy plea deal. No way it even goes to trial.
He'd leave the force for good, & receive a very light sentence to spend two months in a private mental hospital receiving counseling.
IMO, of course."
the crazy part with Brad pitt when he was chasing John Doe, when he fell in the garbage, he broke his wrist for real and cut himself on some glass. thats his real blood on him in that scene.
I saw this in theaters at 14 and I understood everything the first time. It was so frustrating watching her not understand something so simple.
i was going to say the same thing, like every time he asked her "did you see that"? "do you understand whats going on?" Every time shes like a deer in headlights and responds "no, or i dont get it." Not too bright, definitely shouldn't be reviewing movies
@@nicktaylor3747 Maybe you shouldn't be watching them then instead of being a dick.
Yes but did you realize how many died or suffer because of those sins the first time you watched it? or did you just limit your understanding it to just the sins itself? Because so much more than 8 deaths happened besides those who suffered due to these sins.
@@riopato2009 You're taking this a little too deep than the topic of discussion suggests. I'm not here to give you the opportunity to intellectually masturbate on some irrelevant topic that I never mentioned in the first place.
Except it was completely against the point he was trying to make. He killed people he perceived to be sinners. The wife wasn't a sinner, she was innocent. He killed her to make the cop become wrath. So while all of that makes perfect sense, the fact he killed an innocent person threw her (the viewer) off. It was completely contradicting the point he was trying to make. I understood the film the first time I saw it too, but there's a good reason she's confused by it.
I just want to give you props for going through the comments, and even though some are kind of mean, you replied to a good bunch of them in good spirits.
Keep the reactions coming.
David Fincher's uncompromising masterpiece achieved with dark elan and a DynamicDuo of Pitt & Freeman with a sharp as a razor screenplay. A perfect film. Great choice.
PS: The unknown city is purposely anonymous to reflect this can happen in any American city (but it was on locations in Chicago among others).
Yeah, the serial killer reveal 3/4 through the movie was a huge surprise. Not only because of how they did it, with the killer voluntarily turning himself in with 30 minutes to go in the movie, but also, obviously, who the actor was. Real big surprise at the time in 1995.
Another great reaction! Your wife is like me in a movie, wanting to be quiet and absorb everything, whereas you are what I want from a movie reactor to a movie I've already seen; someone who talks a lot during the movie. Funny how that works!
What the heck is the point of watching someone who is just quiet and deadpan the whole time?
She keeps him grounded. They're a good match.
Hehe love you guys. She definitely over analyzed the end. Doe told who everyone was :). Fun to watch you watch.
As Morgan Freeman states in the beginning, the deaths of the victims aren't the main aim of the killer, but the act which he carries out upon them that holds more significance to him (the killer). So much so, that he would plan the act at length and with ample patience as was shown in the "Sloth" murder where the victim was tortured for a whole year. So, basically, it wasn't the victims, but instead, the act itself that represented the "7 deadly sins" for him. Hence, the act of killing Tracy represented "envy" and the act of David killing John Doe represented "wrath".
(At least this is what I understood)
And as a result of this movie lots of us see someone with a box and scream, "What's in the box?!" 😁
Loving the movie reactions btw! 💞
thank you So much Mama Mac
R Lee Ermey was awesome as the captain in this.
Also, @ 9:54 Gwyneth introducing Mills and Somerset to each other by their first names was funny. I was a correctional deputy for years. Old coworkers and I still call each other by our last names.
And one more…”Dick” is slang for detective.
I lied…Brad actually started filming with his wrist injured, so it was incorporated into the scenes after the shootout in the hallways/alley. The scenes without him being in the cast and sling were filmed later.
I love watching your reaction videos. The scene in the hallway where he drops the groceries and shoots at the cops had me diving under the seat in the movie theatre. This movie was so damn intense.
Right?!
I watched this movie in theater for a first date on opening weekend, not knowing the plot. Still, she married me two years later. Bless her.
Was fun watching you both reacting. The 7 deadly sins are loosely based on biblical ideas, but they were Dante's vision.
Oh shitttt! I appreciate you stopping by!
The ending is the best ending ever. Originally it was supposed to be more abrupt and cut to black as soon as David shot Doe, which would’ve been even better
The Deadly Sin of Sloth is much more nuanced than just being lazy or refusing to work; as with all of the Deadly Sins, its existence would be determined by awareness of the sin, and the intent to commit it, just as a matter of first principals.
One of the best closing lines of any movie, imo.
Tracy and her unborn baby were innocent victims, just because they died, doesn't mean they committed a sin, John Doe initially killed those who were already committing sins (gluttony, sloth, pride, lust, and greed) as gateway to expose what the world has become (in his mind), and by doing this crime and the way he did it, would be as much exposure to these sins as one could possibly do. John was envious of a simple man's (Det. Mills) good life, which of course caused him to become envy, and in turn, Det. Mills became wrath by killing John Doe thus completing all seven deadly sins, he (Mills) didn't have to die, he only needed to commit the sin of wrath by killing Spacey. One of the best endings of all time! 🤔
Things will be great watching you two reacting to odd movies together. Would be interesting to see your reactions to the movie "Misery"-1990 especially being James Caan just passed!
"SWAT before Dicks" meant that the SWAT team enters before the Detectives, they are assuming a live target.
About the being a cop as a lifestyle thing - I was never a cop, but I worked as a psychotherapist in the prison system for years, including some time as the clinical supervisor in the forensic psychiatric hospital serving the whole state prison system. In that job I saw some things I will just call unforgettable, as in it's been many years but I can close my eyes and still see them.
One saving grace was that my wife was a clinical social worker and was doing essentially the same job at our local city/county jail - so when either or both of us had a horrific day, we could talk about it that night and know that the other person (a) could handle it, and (b) could relate to it.
Silence of the lambs if you haven't already seen it. Make sure you're wife is with you too. Its a classic masterpiece
OMG sorry but the back and forth between you two over Envy and Wrath was like watching Abbott and Costello do "Who's On First?"
(Showing my age here)
Wow. Never heard anyone say “don’t know about that ending” when concerning this movie. It’s one of the most famous endings ever.
I love how everyone is so happy in the beginning of this reactions
Tracy wasn't representing a sin. John Doe represents envy and Mills represents wrath for the final 2 sins. Mills isn't actually dead, yet BUT his life is practically over after this, no wife, no kid, no career, in prison for a long time, if not for life.
The first 5 were killings of those guilty of sins. The sixth death, Tracy, was from the killers sin to cause the seventh to kill him...what was left out of the film is the scene where its mentioned that the state they are in has the death penalty for murder. Meaning, Pitts character will also be killed via execution.
Watching you two both be confused about the ending was so entertaining! 😂😂😂
She reminds me of a first date I had with this women, we went to see a film, she talked thru the whole movie predicting the next scene, at the end she didnt understand what it was about. It was the last we had date to
yep. Bit overreacted at the end...
Why is she having such a hard time understanding? Alex made it pretty clear
Low iq
"are you attracted to Brad Pitt" "no" and then her nose grew SEVEN sizes.
One of my all time favourite movies, so cleverly written, well thought out plot, good casting, great acting...what more could you want!
So, through all this insanity I'm just sitting here thinking it's a good thing you watched this in a decently lit room. I did not, the first time around... BIG mistake. Big. Huge. Just sayin'.
Awesome reaction as always, thanks for sharing your awesome with us - both of you :)
/Lizz
All of the "sinners" got the most extreme & vile punishment. It didn't require the sinner to be murdered. For his wrath, Brad's character feels that incredible pain for the rest of his life. He would have preferred being killed than having his wife murdered (and losing that fetus). The wife's death was damage necessary to punish the husband.
You have the industrial video vibe because the song is by Nine Inch Nails. A modified version of Closer. A song you could react to. I think that would leave you just as confused as the movie.
they should make a sequel and call It 'ei8ht' where Somerset is called out of retirement and Mills is paroled to catch a copycat John Doe
One of my favorite movies ever , great actors , great acting and a solid storyline....Also , you two are a super cute couple.....reminds of myself and Vicki...nothing better than finder your one...Been watching your reactions for years , so much fun , love your positive energy man....
The killer in this is played by Kevin Spacey. If you want to see what may be his best performance and another wild film of misdirection check out The Usual Suspects. For another older, younger cop dynamic check out Lethal Weapon, one of the best of that kind.
This movie really captured the sounds of the guns well. THAT is what a gun sounds like when it is fired.
Yes, killers are known for keeping trophies from their victims.
This popped up on my TL again, and then you two arguing about envy 😂😂😂 was it Tracy or Jon Doe 😂😂😂 brilliant. She was letting it go and was saying its always the person that died 😂😂😂 you were 100% correct Alex
Fincher always has the best opening credits.
JD was envy, he knew he was going to die at the end of it all, so he killed Tracy to incur David's wrath.
They don’t name the city, but it was shot in Los Angeles. The final scene was shot north of L.A., in the Mojave Desert, in an area called Antelope Valley.
ahhhhhhh that helps a lot!
The Mrs. is right. She caught a flaw in the plan I had never noticed. When John Doe killed Tracy, he stepped outside of the formula, even if it was to induce wrath. Tracy wasn't the subject of any of the Deadly Sins, and her death was the "innocent" one; while he argued so hard against any of his victims being "innocent". The flaw of every serial killer. Nice catch!
Nothing against her but not again please. The conversations during distracted from reaction.
David Mills was Wrath -- He DOES die...he is now dead emotionally and spiritually, even though he lives. Pretty much, to most people that is worse than actually dying.
There's an argument for that, for sure, but Wrath doesn't have to die for John Doe's plan to be complete. John Doe never says his ultimate goal is to kill seven people. We assume it is because that's how the movie starts and the apparent pattern we see forming but John Doe's only stated goal (in the back of the police car conversation) is to create an event that shocks the world out of its apathy. We don't know if that happens in the wider world but we do see the effect it has on Somerset: At the beginning of the movie, he was going to retire bc he'd given up on the world. By the end, he's been shocked out of his apathy, reevaluates his decision to retire, and concludes that the world is "worth fighting for."
Also, as a bonus, by causing David to embody Wrath and murder Envy, he brings David down to his level, thereby proving his earlier point that even the most seemingly admirable, heroic people - like police officers - are not above sin.
The murders were not John Doe's goal. There never needed to be seven murders connected to sins for him to complete his "masterpiece." We don't need to come up with arguments for how David is figuratively the seventh "murder" for John Doe to have been successful. John Doe stated his entire point in the back of the police car and it was bigger than the murders. The murders were just some of the colors in a larger painting, so to speak.
What about the boom operator on the set?
Girl please… you cannot be that stupid…. The ending is epic. The way he adapted and changed his plan when they came close to him. And really easy to understand.
Tracy’s death is the result of Jon Doe’s “Envy”. Jon Doe’s death is the result of Mills’ “Wrath”. The person committing the sin doesn’t necessarily need to be the one who dies. Jon Doe wanted to commit 7 murders that were tied to the 7 deadly sins. He just happened to be the final sin by suicide by cop.
I watch all of your film reactions, but respectfully Alex, I choose not to watch another film where your lovely wife is reacting with you. I get what she was saying at the end but she failed to listen to you and understand what millions of us did. The commentary really ruined YOUR reaction for me. See you in the next Marvel & then poll. 📽🍿
There's a death for every sin, but not every death has to be the sinner. Tracy died BECAUSE of Envy and John Doe died BECAUSE of wrath. Seven days, seven sins, seven deaths.
copy that! i got hung up on that
I became Wrath, listening to this discussion of the ending.
1:57 That look when Alex realizes his wife has transparently lied to him.
The city is based off NYC if you read the original draft of the Screenplay, and they changed it to be any city. An example is the original line was the Mills transferred from Philly and he said, "I wasn't guarding the Liberty Bell" and they changed it to "I wasn't guarding a Taco Bell" when they made the city general.
great reaction to the ending. and you trying to figure out who was envy wrath and which dead bodies were what etc etc 🤣🤣🤣
The dingleberry conversation was by far the highlight of this reaction! 😂😂😂
not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet or if you had caught it. (probably have though) however, the police captain on there is played by the one that played sgt. hartman on full metal jacket.
Turns out, the Romany culture known as gypsies had the word "dik" which meant to watch. This may have been the origin of "dick" for an investigator or detective. Also, there was a crime writer in the 1930s called Dick Donovan, and a detective character named Dick Tracy, rather than the more recent colloquial for male genitals.
Jesus I lost brain cells at the end, is she ok?
I’m doing amazing! Thank you for your concern
Tracey was wrath because John Doe knew David would kill him. Therefore John Die places himself as envy because he told David he went to visit Tracey to play husband, it didn’t work out and he killed her. The seven deadly sins was methodically planned. John Doe knee who his subjects were, got to know them and killing them was part of his plan. What David didn’t know, because he was blinded by his wrath John Doe knew he would give into, was that IF he didn’t kill him David would’ve won and foiled John Doe’s plan. But David shit John Doe therefore John Doe wins his plan to die before any justice he faced was served. If you remember John Doe shit at David when it was raining outside and David chased after him, John Doe held the gun to David’s head? John Doe found out David’s background as a cop that he was a hot head and that was why David moved to the city because he was transferred. This movie is brilliantly made and one of the best thriller movies ever made. Hope this information helps you and the Mrs. Peace!
P.S. Next movie to react to, please view The Human Centipede. It’s 100% medically accurate.
You both are way overthinking this. John Doe never said only the guilty would die. He also knows that Mills _won't_ die, due to temporary insanity or some such. He likely won't even do any jail time.
Mill's wife and unborn child are victims of Doe's _envy._ They're an expression of it. Doe's own death is both the PRICE for his _envy_ and the EXPRESSION of Mill's _wrath._
The only ironclad rule seems to be that each sin must be represented by different people. Otherwise, he could easily have been both _envy_ AND _wrath._
i overthink everything, my friend
Jesus Christ, Alex. What's wrong with your wife? She can't figure out the ending? Way to ruin a great movie. And she's a nurse? Scary! By the way, my condolences on your marriage.
On the Dvd for this movie there was storyboard for an alternate ending in which Somerset is the one to kill John Doe in an attempt to foil his plan. I believe it also had Somerset say a cheesy one liner about retiring.
not a very smart reaction but i guess this film is not for everyone
Funny you said it feels like a metal video... The director David Fincher also did the Perfect Circle "Judith" video
Tracy's death represents wrath, because her death caused Mills to be wrathful.
Tracy's death basically was not from the series of 7 murders, it was byproduct from envy
Another one like this is Resurrection (1999) starring Christopher Lambert, hard to find though. It's pretty awesome.
The ending is weird because out of the seven deadly sins ,envy and wrath are the only sins that kill other people and not the sinner.
Envy (jealousy) ,the green eyed monster can destroy a person if not controlled and wrath always has dire consequences. John doe had the envy of their life and davids wrath killed him.
"Shakespeare in Love" is a really good Gwyneth Paltrow, really good film period actually. Would be a good couple reaction.
Based on that train, I’d say it’s either Chicago or Philly. It’s gotta be Chicago. Philly has no land like that outside of it.
The reason they were both confused was because they were associating 7 deaths directly with the 7 sins, which is not the point. The point was to punish the sinners, who all got punished with death except for Mills, who got punish with something that some may say is worse than death.
The deaths themselves are not the sins, while each death was part of a sermon on an individual sin. The sermon on wrath and envy involved the death of Tracy and John.
1 Gluttony (The Obese Man)
2 Greed (Eli Gould)
3 Sloth (Victor)
4 Lust (The Prostitute)
5 Pride (The Beautiful Woman)
6 Envy (John Doe)
7 Wrath (Detective Mills)
Tracy was just killed to make Mills wrath.
Yup you are right.
Wrath doesn’t die it kills
34:24...It's Abbott & Costello! 🤣🤣🤣
Next you should watch 8mm, L.A. Confidential, and Momento. Each of these are great movies.
“He committed murder so he has to lose his job.” Lol