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Se7en is an amazing movie, but it’s not for everyone. Beware the possibility that if you continue to watch movies recommended to you on TH-cam that you might find some to be beyond your comfort level. Some people seem to thrive on disturbing content, others would not seek it out. I knew you would struggle with this, and I think you’d agree that you don’t feel better for having watched it. I personally don’t like horror movies. I can watch them, but if they’re not very good it’s cheesy, and if they’re too good then I feel frightened or repulsed or whatever. I don’t like feeling frightened or repulsed or whatever so I don’t seek this stuff out. Some movies can’t be unseen and they can stay with you. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
@@sean---the-other-one This isn't really a horror movie though. As someone who hates that genre (there's probably only ten that I like to watch and most of them are tame), this film is one of my favorites. Likely b/c we only see the aftermath of the tortures and it seems like a Batman story, though a much darker one.
@@jp3813 Sure. But it’s semantics. I predominantly was talking about disturbing stuff. One way or another it’s pretty clear that this movie was not enjoyed by the bingers.
@@sean---the-other-one A movie doesn't necessarily have to be enjoyable to be good... one of the best movies I have ever seen is one that I wouldn't watch again, even if you paid me (Lars von Trier's "Dancer In The Dark"). "Se7en" is objectively a very good movie, and one that aspiring filmmakers should study in depth, despite containing material which makes some people uncomfortable. Not trying to criticize your comment, just trying to use it as a jumping off point for further discussion... as you stated previously, it is an amazing movie, just not for everyone.
@@RraMakutsi I absolutely agree. Se7en is fantastic; the story, directing, and acting are superb. I’d recommend it, but not to everyone. I’m old enough to watch The Human Centipede, but I’m not going to. There are things that you can quite happily go through your life without watching or experiencing. The more brutal and disturbing the input we give our minds and heart, the tougher we might become, but we might also lose something more valuable. Some TH-cam reactors seem well placed to watch all sorts of macabre and horrible stuff. Others seem a lot more tender than that. I tend to see a lot of comments that recommend movies that seem well out of the ‘ability’ of the reactors. I suppose a good analogy would be whether to recommend that anyone swim in one of the most treacherous surf beaches in the world, or whether it’s necessary to make a judgement call on who to suggest might not be up to the challenge. A movie can’t be unseen.
This movie caused a HUGE stir when it came out. It was THE movie everyone was talking about because of the sheer shock factor. And Kevin Spacey not being listed in the credits or marketing made the impact of his appearance that much stronger. How many thrillers have been spoiled because you're waiting for a certain actor to make their appearance?
After we saw it in the theater we all drove home, did not say a word, do not think we said anything for several hours, I even felt ill for a couple of days... Yes it was a shocking and heavy movie
My friend saw it at Hoyts Cinema at the Chadstone Shopping Centre in Melbourne, Australia in ‘95, so big multiplex cinema in the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere, and she said everyone walked out in a shocked silence at the end of it all!
This movie was my first date with my wife. That was a dumb move. This is not a first date movie! But remarkably she came back for a second date, and the rest is history!
Brad Pitt has some of the most amazing facial expressions in that last scene. You can just see all these warring emotions on his face. I’ve seen this movie a few times and I’m always stunned by his performance at the end.
I agree... this made me realise that in fact Brad Pitt was not just a pretty face, but a good actor. There was conflict and turmoil in that last scene.
This movie is just overflowing with grim atmosphere. The film locations and sets, the rain, the desaturated greenish/gray color palette, the actors’ performances, the music. It’s a total masterpiece.
@BlanketMan Weirdly enough I was more uncomfortable with that scene taking place in an open field with sunshine than I would've been if it had taken place under the rain. It felt wrong, that the ugliness of this serial murders case could reach the light instead of the light protecting from it. Idk, it's curious
@@LumpyAdams Truth. If he was a construction worker, people wouldn't be all "well he may be an serial abuser and predator but he sure can hang drywall like a total pro." it is is crazy what people will justify or excuse.
Yes, the movie was phenomenal. I wholeheartedly agree. But with respect specifically to Kevin Spacey's monologue in the backseat of the car or at any point in the movie for that matter, give praise not to Kevin but to who wrote the movie's screenplay.
"What's in the box?!" is one of those cinematic moments that I will always remember. The fear, dread, agony in Brad Pitt's voice. The conflict as he struggles to not shoot Spacey...ugh. Such a powerful iconic scene.
The Jodie Foster reference was referencing the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan and had an obsession with Jodie Foster from ‘Taxi Driver’. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was committed to a mental hospital for 35 years. One of the security guards injured and paralysed in the shooting eventually died about 30 years afterwards, and the shooter was once again considered not responsible by reason of mental illness.
Sidenote: When Brad Pitt slipped on the ladder or the hood of the car, he for real broke his arm/wrist, so when he is holding his arm for the rest of that scene, its FOR REAL.
Lawyers are subject to rules of professional conduct, which are set by a combination of the Bar Association and the state. Violating them is grounds for the lawyer to be disbarred, which means they cannot practice law, and would also be grounds for the client to challenge the outcome (appeal/retrial/etc.) One of the main rules is 'reasonable diligence' -- a lawyer must act with the best interests of the client in mind, and cannot neglect or disregard legal matters that might benefit their defense. Therefore, a lawyer who intentionally tanked their client's case would be risking losing their career, and the client would likely have grounds to get a new trial anyway, so it would be a colossal waste of time. Lawyers defend people they know are guilty all the time. If they cannot stomach the clients' actions then they must resign from the case.
Also, in cases like this, where the guilt isn't in question, a lot of times the arguments become about whether the evidence is sufficient, or admissible, if any rights were violated etc. Because if ts aren't crossed and I aren't dotted, that could be the difference between setting someone free, or putting them away.
@@Skawty exactly the point I was going to make. In a case like this, the best thing a lawyer can do for society is to make sure there can be no possible grounds for mistrial or appeal on the basis of a technicality after the fact.
@@AutoPilate Although it wasn't particularly believable, it was still a great movie making fun of the law. Judd does an excellent job, and its one of John Hurts better roles. From the Hip is still one of my favorites.
@@Skawty Guilt is ALWAYS in question. That is the fundamental cornerstone of the Common Law system used in the US: The Presumption Of Innocence, otherwise known as Innocent until proven guilty. The State must prove the crime was committed, in felony criminal cases this usually means prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Murder, along with certain other very serious crimes like Espionage, Terrorism, or Treason, as well as some more obscure ones relating to illegal access to information, such as hacking of public or private financial data, and even things like certain fraud related crimes, carry HUGE penalties, in the case of Murder and Treason, in many instances, up to and including execution. For these crimes, the threshold for 'Beyond Reasonable Doubt' virtually means NO DOUBT, because when someone's life is on the line, even one tiny skerrick of a question mark over a key piece of inculpatory evidence, could cause jurors doubt, and due to the severity of crime, and potential punishment, such doubt can be deemed reasonable even if it would otherwise be deemed entirely pedantic, and unreasonable, like it may be for a lesser criminal case. What is or is not a reasonable doubt, is often determined by the courts, indirectly, to be dependent on the severity of the crime and how severe the remedy therefor. Thus, it maybe considered the 'Presumptive' element of 'Innocence' until proof of guilt is even MORE compelling in a case like this, than a lesser severe one, and by that alone, guilt be more in question than in a lesser case with less compelling inculpatory evidence.
Set design on this movie is insane. All those meticulously written journals are real and someone spent days writing them out for a few shots on screen, besides all the other things in the killer's room.
A couple of things about this film: 1) The entire film is shown from Somerset and Mills' direct point of view, and there isn't a single scene where at least one of them isn't present. This is because the movie literally follows the investigation as it unfolds, and we only find out the details as they uncover them. That's why the murders aren't shown, and why we have to figure out what happened even as the detectives do. It's also why we don't meet the villain face to face until they do. 2) The studio famously tried to alter the ending because they thought it was too dark. They came up with all kinds of ridiculous ideas to water it down, all of which would have completely ruined the film. They only agreed to keep the original ending intact when Brad Pitt threatened to quit if they didn't. 3) Even then the ending was extended slightly at the studio's request. The original idea was for the film to end on the aerial shot of Mills walking away from John Doe's body. The director agreed to add the "world is worth fighting for" epilogue to leave the audience with a glimmer of hope, and make the ending a little less bleak.
That's interesting. What I read was that the original ending was even darker than that: they wanted Mills to kill John Doe with one gunshot -- and at that moment the screen goes black.
@@gomyawncher2514 I read it was Somerset who was supposed to kill him as a way ruin John Doe's "masterpiece" ending while still giving Brad Pitt what he wanted.
@@AdamtheGrey02 One of the proposed "watered down" endings was that Somerset would decide to shoot Doe himself, thus taking it out of Mill's hands. He would then explain that it didn't matter what he did because he was retiring anyway, whereas MIlls still had his whole career ahead of him. Not only was this a really cheesy idea, it also didn't make sense; Somerset would almost certainly end up in prison, so the "nothing to lose" angle didn't work.
@@robpegler6545 Yeah that's what I was talking about but I don't recall he did it because he had nothing to lose but it was more of a self sacrifice deal to save Mills as well as to ruin the plan. But sure, if that "nothing to lose" line was his only excuse, it would have been a terrible idea. I'm happy with the actual ending though and it would make sense that Pitt's character still wouldn't get prison or at least much time if any due to temporary insanity. His life is still messed up regardless.
i have watched hundreds of movies in my 5+decades and this one was the only one i EVER saw in a theatre where the end of the movie came and no one, NOT ONE person said anything. everyone just got up in a daze and left. My head wasn't right for at least 3 days and it took a few years to realize why. The impact of this movie is made not just from the amazing acting or the twisting storyline but from the realism. The story that Morgan Freemans character tells to the captain about the guys eyes getting stabbed out just nails home that every bit of this movie could easily be and probably has been at some point, very very real. "Ernest Hemmingway once said, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for...I agree with the second part."
One other movie in theaters where everyone left silently was 9/11. How it ended with the plane going down in the field was so sad, especially knowing how the passengers fought the terrorists until the end. They went out fighting.
@@Akihito007 there are a lot of 9/11 memorials across the country, but in Union City, CA there is a memorial specific to Flight 93. It was headed here and many of the passengers were from the area.
@@MessOfThings That's good to know. I still remember where I was that day. It's sad so many people were too young to remember or not even born yet. How easily we forget.
This one made a stir upon its release. Critics and audiences were bowled over by how grim and gruesome it was. So much so that it's easy to miss the fact that almost no violence occurs on screen.
When I watched for the first time, I think it was the first R18+ movie I saw, and I was expecting a lot of violence and gore, but there was barely any in it which made it great but even more disturbing. Imagination is a powerful tool!
To answer the question on lawyers: it is their legal obligation to provide defense and not sabotage the case. Failure to do so can result in a mistrial, especially if it is obvious they mishandled the case because they didn't like their client/didn't believe in their innocence. They are also not allowed to lie if they have knowledge of legal guilt; they only need to combat false evidence. They cannot offer evidence they know is false, so they can't lie on behalf of their client. There should be no moral conflict because the evidence will show their client is guilty and they are just guiding the process along to its final verdict.
One of the best character actors in the world, right up there with people like David Morse and JT Walsh who never really got a leading role but added several tonnes of gravitas to part and films that could have been very average without them
He's also in Pearl Harbor as one of the soldiers that's being tended to by Kate Beckinsale as he is bleeding to death. Dude's made a career out of playing traumatized characters.
I REALLY don't think, that in the 26 (TWENTY SIX!) years since this movie released, that a better thriller has been made. Even watching this for the umpteenth time in a cut up manner with people talking over it I still get chills... Not to mention that it is proving to be quite timeless. It doesn't play at all as a mid '90s film.
There have been some really good thrillers like Prisoners and Nightcrawler and Wind River but honestly nothing can even comes close to making me uneasy like Se7en did.
I mean certain aspects of it feel very much of that time, like Fincher's lighting scheme, the opening credits etc. But yea, overall, the story and themes present in it are going to likely feel relevant to any generation that watches it.
@@dylanjordan4747 Idk. I mean you can see Fincher's influence in films from time to time now for sure, but its not like it was in 90s where it felt like 1 out of 4 films were trying to emulate him. For me, this look is strongly tied to that era in my mind.
Agreed. There is no better thriller. The closest to get this dark but stay realistic is “No Country For Old Men”. But nothing accurately presents the wickedness of life and also hope at the same time like SE7EN. Hope because at the end Somerset chooses to still fight for this world. It is a story of hope.
The lawyer isn’t defending the person’s actions, they’re ensuring the government has every right to lock them up. Crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s. If the Justice system can’t label you as a criminal despite the best efforts of the attorney then there’s a flaw in the system that needs to be acknowledged.
This movie disturbed me for days after first watching it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. It definitely achieved what it was meant to do, so it has all of the hallmarks of a great film
That's how I was after watching "Nocturnal Animals" due to that opening part of the "book" part of the movie. the rest of the movie was excellent and a well written subtle revenge story or I guess the movie is a revenge story within a revenge story.
David Fincher definitely has a knack for suspense. When you are up for another thriller, you should check out "Zodiac". ...for a more uplifting movie, tho, I'd suggest Amelie or The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty (with Ben Stiller)
If you're suggesting more David Fincher and Amélie, then they should definitely watch Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection for more David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet respectively.
Another David Fincher classic is "The Game" with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. One of the best psychological dramas I've ever seen: definitely a must watch!! Love your channel, guys, and your reactions!!
The opening music that is 'going to give you nightmares' was made by the great Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) Oh, and the marquis de Sade was 18th century, not 16th.
A clever little touch in this movie that is a bit hard to pick up on when watching at home, is that the end credits scroll in the opposite direction from normal. It is so disconcerting if you're trying to read the credits, as your eye is constantly fighting to keep up, and it's just not possible. You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what. A very sly and effective way to unsettle the audience even after the movie has ended.
Leland Orser is the actor who plays the man who was made to kill the hooker. If you watch enough movies, you will see him all over the place, and he always steals the show, no matter how small his role. This scene here is no exception. His performance in this makes the crime incredibly disturbing, even though all he does is describe what happened.
Good call! I also saw it a second time at the theater when it first came out, but just because I couldn't get it put of my head! It needed to "marinate" in my brain for a while longer. Definitely the mark of an epic film.
Great reaction, one of the best movies of the 90’s with the most messed up ending. I remember literally shouting at the screen for Mills not to kill Doe, I also remember being absolutely speechless figuring out the whole plan as I sort of knew what was in the box, but had no idea how it tied to the last two “sins”.
The scene in the brothel is particularly brutal and graphic, Simone was visibly shocked and upset by that and I don't blame her, it's hard to comprehend something like that.
Especially since we don’t actually see the victim’s body. We just see that photo of the strap on and the traumatized man’s testimony and our imagination filled in the gaps. 🤢
To me ( and just my opinion) I always felt that the male in that scene was the one who felt LUST ( prostitutes usually don't) and he was the victim of LUST and of the serial killer even though he didn't die. and then in the car, the killer mentions "the disease-spreading whore" . i thought this was the only script problem, but probably a lot of people don't see it that way.
Yeah. I can easily handle gore and brutality as I am pretty desensitized to it but stuff like the brothel scene is the stuff that really gets me even though we didn’t see anything still fucked me up. That scene was the hardest part of the movie for me to watch.
There are specialized cleaning companies that deal with crimes scenes. The finger print tech is Morgan Freeman’s son. The director didn’t tell the actor who played the cop standing over the guy in the bed that he was still alive so that was his genuine reaction when the guy coughed. The pride murder victim was a supposed to be a famous model so she had to choose death or being disfigured.
@@mistofoles No, he meant the actor playing the cop wasn't aware that the "dead" character was actually alive in the script, and so when the actor playing the "dead" person suddenly started stirring back to life, as directed, his reaction of surprise was genuine.
I remember seeing this in the theater. Total gut bomb. From the creepy opening credits and music, to the surprise ending… I was incredibly impressed, considering I felt stunned like I’d just been punched in the face.
Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now has no credits. He had them printed on leaflets that were handed out at early screenings. And the creepy music over the credits sequence is a reworking of Nine Inch Nails "Closer", the music video to which is on a par with Se7en in the dark & disturbing stakes.
I hoped you'd like the opening credits. I saw this at the theatre when I was 20 and I was blown away and so excited that a movie had actually used the opening title to convey meaning - first and best use I'd ever seen. I dont like the film noir and private dick genre - but this movie's art and feel is so perfect, you can't help but love it, even when youre disgusted, horrified, or just uncomfortable.
Glad I came across your channel. As somebody who loves films, you eventually find yourself at a point where it feels like you're running out of good films to watch and really have to dig deep, and at that point, you wish you could experience your first viewings of so many films all over again. Admittedly, it's basically a hobby at this point for me to share films from my collection with friends and acquaintances. Not only because I feel like everybody should watch them at least once before they die, but also because by introducing a film to them, I'm sort of reliving my first experience through them vicariously, and reaction videos such as yours give me a similar feeling. I love seeing how people react to films and comparing our interpretations. I find it fascinating and thoroughly entertaining. At least when important lines aren't being interrupted/spoken over, which you two rarely do from the couple of videos I've seen of yours so far, so good on you. Keep 'em coming.
Another good Brad Pitt movie was "12 Monkeys" with Bruce Willis, time traveler film The opening theme from "Se7en" was a different version of the song "Closer" by the group 9 Inch Nails
Absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time, and glad to have come across this channel to find reactors who DON'T talk throughout the movie the entire time, watching movies at home is different from at the cinema where you can voice what you're thoughts are during certain scenes, but for me, I'll never understand why so many big and small channels feel the need to narrate/talk during the whole movie/show that they've never seen before, I guess they feel they're being entertaining, but of course they miss things because they were talking. Anyhow, great reaction to a timeless classic, SUBBED! 👍
Fun fact, they actually made a prosthetic head of Gweneth Paltrow, however they did not use it at the end, but if you see the movie, Contagion, they used it in the autopsy scene.
I'm not sure if maybe I'm a little sick, but I love to watch people react to this film for the first time. And in your case, the reactions were everything that they're supposed to be. I hope none of you are too affected still (it's been 4 months since you uloaded this, I think), but I tell you... The first time I watched this movie I felt... dazed by the end of it, and that's the point, you are supposed to become sickened by the events and the end is supposed to make you feel confused. Hell, like my dad pointed out the first time we talked about the movie, even the end credits are designed to perpetuate this confussion (they roll downwards instead of upwards, like most movies do... like we're acustomed to). It is a truly mesmerizing movie and, I swear, the best Thriller that has even been made or will ever be made. Edit. Also: regarding 32:16 it's even worse, believe it or not. Trust me, I've thought of the exact same thing ever since I first watched the movie, only I did remember it. The last time Mill's wife is on screen is actually right before "Sunday" starts. Mills and Somerset had their apathy conversation and then both go home. Somerset is throwing his knife into a bullseye and Mills can be seen cuddling with her in their bed. I think he says something, or she does or maybe they're both silent. That I can't remember for sure, but that is the last time she's on screen... You see them and how even in this frightening world they at least have each other... and then...
That was a pretty good reaction to the end of the movie, perplexed, confused, horrified from what you guys just watched, that was the purpose of that movie, Finch is a master at that.
In the states, an atty has to give their client the best legal representation possible, lest they risk disbarment, regardless of how horrendous and disgusting the crimes are. When this movie came out, it was a wild assertion that the activity of certain library books would be tracked and recorded. Now, just 25-ish years later, we all know and accept that everything we do is logged. Wild.
One of the most disturbing films, like Saw and Hostel disturbing (and they came after). But if you are movie watcher/fan, it's unfortunately a must watch film.
Sloth (Michael Reid Mackay) also appeared in X-Men2 as Jason, Stryker's telepathic son. Supposedly Bryan Singer (director of X2) told the X2 casting director that he wanted someone who "looked like that guy from Se7en" to play Jason and they responded, "well, we could just get that guy from Se7en" and they did.
One of the most uncompromising films ever made - bleak, dank, powerful w/Freeman & Pitt at the top of their games. Fincher's masterpiece. Solid choice & reactions.
In cases like this the point of the defense attorney is to keep the prosecution and court honest and to advocate to get the best and most fair trial for their client. No matter how deplorable or guilty a client is if the prosecution or police mishandle the investigation or break the rules then the defense attorney is there to call them on it.
RE: Defense Lawyers - If they don't do the best they can, the case can be appealed and the attorney might be disbarred. It's basically malpractice. There's a series of books bu Michael Connelly about "The Lincoln Lawyer" (the title of the first book), who is a defense lawyer in modern L.A. In the first few books, he explains the mindset of the defense attorney. Basically, the system doesn't work unless both side try their best, and if the system doesn't work the best it possibly can, then it doesn't work at all. Throughout the series, the Main character (Mickey Haller) does have to defend some guilty people.
That means that the system is broken by default. The only solution for us regular citizens is for us to be law abiding citizens and stay completely out of the courts!
Jesus Christ..that's pretty much everyone's reaction the first time and she wasn't at the end yet. This was my favorite movie for a long time just because I was floored.
When I first saw this, I said I wouldn't watch it again and I didn't until I watched a TH-cam reaction to it. This is the second time. It's interesting that you never even see a murder on screen until the climactic ending (no spoilers). What makes it so disturbing is that it leaves 6 of the 7 crimes to your imagination.
So many miss that. John Hinckley Jr became obsessed with Jodie Foster after seeing 'Taxi Driver'. He stalked her, slipping notes under her door and phoning her. Then he concluded that if he assassinated the President she would see him as someone worthy of her. He very nearly succeeded in his attempt. He's out now and has a music TH-cam channel ! th-cam.com/channels/ck3J5KR3INUP1K-hrBe8iA.html
In the U.S. a lawyer cannot intentionally do a shitty job of representing his client since it can be used as grounds for a mistrial or an appeal later. Not to mention the lawyer can be sanctioned or even disbarred.
I'm not necessarily a negative person but it was just so oddly refreshing to see a not so happy ending that wasn't strictly a horror film. I grew up in the 80's where happy endings were compulsory so to see a mainstream thriller just give you the most downbeat ending ever but still blow me away was a great lesson to learn
I have to admit that to this day that when in certain type of stairway... I am prone to yelling : DETECTIVE!!!! (Especially if in knowing & appreciative company)
There was some subtle foreshadowing when Somerset was listing out the 7 deadly sins in the police station. He listed them all out on his hand before turning directly to Mills listing the final sin of “envy”.
The police captain is played by the same guy who plays the drill instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket, R. Lee Ermey. Definitely another film worth the watch.
Lawyer's responsibility is to the law,, so they will just make sure that the law is followed correctly, and the prosecution follows the correct procedures
I remember when I went to see this in the theater, I saw a friend of mine coming out of a previous screening. I asked him how it was and he was utterly speechless and haunted. He didn't say one word.
31:15 - "The bad guy wins." Sorry but that line made me laugh. You so perfectly summed up the entire movie in 4 simple words. Thanks for another incredible review. Love your reviews.
that was my EXACT same reaction when i watched this movie for the first time, that movie's so messed up but truly a masterpiece at the same time. and that "I need to go watch something happy now" though 😂💀
I taught at a private school that had a minister who taught a course on ethics and morality, and he would always show this film as part of his course. Still a brilliantly constructed film...
Defence attorneys absolutely put their best effort into defending their clients. I once heard it explained by a deffence attourney that the point that you start making your own judgement on a case is the point that you lose objectivity. If you can't be objective you can't do your job. If you can't do your job then eventually someone who actually is innocent may suffer because of that. Also it's important to note that not having an effective defence is grounds for appeal. If you can prove that your defence was incompetent it can result in a conviction being quashed.
I have tried many times to watch Mr Robot but (without spoilers) something happens early on in the season and I can’t remember what episode to a specific character in a really fucked up way and I just haven’t been able to get passed it.
Criminal defense lawyers do not always represent clients to prove or profess their innocence, (when they’ve plead guilty there’s literally no reason to), the job becomes about protecting a defendants rights in the process . Guilty or not there is still legal procedure that the state must follow. They must turn over evidence, they are not allowed to take shortcuts or violate anyone’s rights, even if they do plead guilty.
The movie that asked the infamous question, "What's in the Box?!" You'll start noticing how big of a pop culture reference it is. It's been used in a lot of other movies and shows since.
They kept Spacey's name completely out of the marketing, and out of the opening credits. For TV spots, they even altered his voice when you hear him on the 911 call. Spacey had just had his big breakout with The Usual Suspects earlier in the year, and there was already Oscar buzz around his performance, so it was felt that if people knew he was in it, they'd be waiting for him to show up, and they'd figure out he was playing they killer right away. That's why his credit is the first to come up at the end. That's his delayed opening credit. Luckily, the worldwide web was barely in its infancy, and you could still keep something like that under wraps.
But other than revealing who would be the actor to play the victim, nothing would change. Like, were people really that shocked that an actor would play a character?
@@clydefrosch It's a mystery. The goal of a mystery is to not let the audience get ahead of the story. If viewers halfway through the movie figure out that Kevin Spacey is going to be the killer, they eliminate all other possibilities from their mind, and suspense dries up.
@@jamesoblivion but who else could they believe would be the murderer? Its not like there were tons of red herings honestly. Every suspect is quickly revealed not to be it by the time you see their face too, I think. I get the idea in general, but not for this movie specifically
@@rustincohle2135 I know it's 6 months ago, but, the love handle only worked because he has them, I'm a skinny thing, skin and bones, the only way I'd be able to cut a pound of flesh is if I sliced off my calves. Probably wouldn't be considered for the option of Greed, but if I was in that situation, I would be fucked.
As far as I know (which is not a lot) a lot of defense lawyers on brutal cases like this just try to go for insanity or justification of the crimes to lessen the sentence
I think, David Fincher is one of my top 3 all time favorite movie directors working today! I loved almost every movie, he´s made and he made A LOT that I´ve seen..........
When you are representing someone who is clearly guilty and you know that the person is guilty, it is still their right to have good representation. The best representation you can offer someone who is guilty to this extent is to help them admit to as much as they can and help families grieve. You also try to help them find remorse for their crimes and show that remorse (because it helps the grieving families move forward faster). You essentially try your best to make the situation better for everyone involved by working with your client to get them plea deals in exchange for confessions (making life easier on the cops) and even possibly time in mental care facilities (which helps other inmates not be exposed to their toxicity and helps them to learn to have remorse and come to terms with how evil what they have done is rather than just rot in a cell). Damage control essentially
When you guessed if Brad Pitt was going to be wrath, and I could tell that you weren't really figuring it out it was just a solid guess but it really made me think that you guys are pretty smart. And it also tells me that movies like The Sixth Sense do such a good job of subverting expectations cuz if you guys can watch it and not figure out the ending then they did a good job because you guys start breaking down stuff in these movies and you come so close or hit the nail on the head with your assessments but I can tell you still don't know you guys are just guessing but this part of me is thinking oh my God you guys are figuring it out
To answer your question about defense attorney's "throwing a case", it can result in convictions being overturned or be grounds for a new trial. It also can result in sanctions against the lawyer or disbarment (the revocation of their license to practice law). What the lawyer was doing in that scene technically was extortion, and could be grounds for disbarment. He was leveraging bad press and political fallout against the police as bargaining chip to serve his client...regardless of how shady it was or how guilty his client was. It's brilliant writing! This is such a great movie
12:30 - you got the reference to Son of Sam but you missed the reference to Jodie Foster, which was the crazy reasoning given by Chapman, the murderer of John Lennon, who thought she'd be impressed by what he did. The defense lawyer was just speaking on behalf of his client when he offers Brad and Morgan the deal, as his client, Spacey, had instructed him to.
This is one of my top 5 all time favourite movies. I have never seen a film to match it in tone and style. This movie is what inspired me to start writing crime thriller novels. Talking about the Marquis De Sade... maybe check out the film "Quills" it's a film about the Marquis De Sade played by Geoffrey Rush (Barbosa from Pirates of the Caribbean) it's brilliant.
Thank you both for watching/reacting to this incredible film. Despite the heavy subject matter this will always be a truly epic film of the genre. I had to see it twice at the theater in fall '95. I hope the two of of you, Simone in particular, were okay afterwards. Please consider another film from the same director, ZODIAC (2007).
I was at times drawn to darkness as a teen, and somewaht still am. So I love this movie. Because like you said, John isn't wrong. And neither is detective Somerset. He knew the grim reality. ..and what Mills did, was to try to deny it. So therefore John could easily make him become.. wrath. And he in the end won. Got to finish his "masterpiece", his lecture on mankind. "..what sick ridiculous puppets we are.."
Re: Lawyers... a lawyer can be disbarred if it's discovered they didn't defend a client using all available means and thoroughly ... judges will scrutinize lawyers and charge them if they think they are slacking, even with creeps and monsters. Presumed innocence is very important for the system to work and not slip into a corrupt state.
I'm a year late but as far as your question about defense lawyer ethics: If it can be proven in court that your work wasn't conducted ethically and to the best of your ability you may be disbarred and the defendant will be allowed a mistrial.
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Se7en is an amazing movie, but it’s not for everyone.
Beware the possibility that if you continue to watch movies recommended to you on TH-cam that you might find some to be beyond your comfort level.
Some people seem to thrive on disturbing content, others would not seek it out. I knew you would struggle with this, and I think you’d agree that you don’t feel better for having watched it.
I personally don’t like horror movies. I can watch them, but if they’re not very good it’s cheesy, and if they’re too good then I feel frightened or repulsed or whatever. I don’t like feeling frightened or repulsed or whatever so I don’t seek this stuff out.
Some movies can’t be unseen and they can stay with you.
Don’t say you weren’t warned.
@@sean---the-other-one This isn't really a horror movie though. As someone who hates that genre (there's probably only ten that I like to watch and most of them are tame), this film is one of my favorites. Likely b/c we only see the aftermath of the tortures and it seems like a Batman story, though a much darker one.
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Sure. But it’s semantics. I predominantly was talking about disturbing stuff. One way or another it’s pretty clear that this movie was not enjoyed by the bingers.
@@sean---the-other-one A movie doesn't necessarily have to be enjoyable to be good... one of the best movies I have ever seen is one that I wouldn't watch again, even if you paid me (Lars von Trier's "Dancer In The Dark"). "Se7en" is objectively a very good movie, and one that aspiring filmmakers should study in depth, despite containing material which makes some people uncomfortable. Not trying to criticize your comment, just trying to use it as a jumping off point for further discussion... as you stated previously, it is an amazing movie, just not for everyone.
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I absolutely agree. Se7en is fantastic; the story, directing, and acting are superb.
I’d recommend it, but not to everyone.
I’m old enough to watch The Human Centipede, but I’m not going to. There are things that you can quite happily go through your life without watching or experiencing.
The more brutal and disturbing the input we give our minds and heart, the tougher we might become, but we might also lose something more valuable.
Some TH-cam reactors seem well placed to watch all sorts of macabre and horrible stuff. Others seem a lot more tender than that. I tend to see a lot of comments that recommend movies that seem well out of the ‘ability’ of the reactors.
I suppose a good analogy would be whether to recommend that anyone swim in one of the most treacherous surf beaches in the world, or whether it’s necessary to make a judgement call on who to suggest might not be up to the challenge.
A movie can’t be unseen.
This movie caused a HUGE stir when it came out. It was THE movie everyone was talking about because of the sheer shock factor.
And Kevin Spacey not being listed in the credits or marketing made the impact of his appearance that much stronger. How many thrillers have been spoiled because you're waiting for a certain actor to make their appearance?
After we saw it in the theater we all drove home, did not say a word, do not think we said anything for several hours, I even felt ill for a couple of days... Yes it was a shocking and heavy movie
He was credited in the ending credits.
My friend saw it at Hoyts Cinema at the Chadstone Shopping Centre in Melbourne, Australia in ‘95, so big multiplex cinema in the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere, and she said everyone walked out in a shocked silence at the end of it all!
@@mistofoles they obviously meant opening credits, the end credits are irrelevant since you know, all of his scenes were over
@@mistofoles they’re talking about in promotions and the opening credits.
This movie was my first date with my wife. That was a dumb move. This is not a first date movie! But remarkably she came back for a second date, and the rest is history!
My first date film with one of my ex gfs was Irreversible.
@@krwawyrzeznik like the movie irreversible or the damage was irreversible lmao
@@wild_coach9 both xD
@@krwawyrzeznik Dead💀😂
LOL. You are so lucky so didn't drop you like a bad habit. Great story my friend.
Brad Pitt has some of the most amazing facial expressions in that last scene. You can just see all these warring emotions on his face. I’ve seen this movie a few times and I’m always stunned by his performance at the end.
I agree... this made me realise that in fact Brad Pitt was not just a pretty face, but a good actor. There was conflict and turmoil in that last scene.
Great actor, his performance was a complete gut punch at the end
@@22Phantasm fun fact. Brad Pitt cut his own hair for the role to make himself less 'pretty face'.
@@MilkT0ast You see his soul die inside onscreen. That's good acting.
This movie is just overflowing with grim atmosphere. The film locations and sets, the rain, the desaturated greenish/gray color palette, the actors’ performances, the music. It’s a total masterpiece.
...and then Fincher finally brings us into the sunlight, for the most disturbing scene in the (any?) film...!
@BlanketMan Weirdly enough I was more uncomfortable with that scene taking place in an open field with sunshine than I would've been if it had taken place under the rain. It felt wrong, that the ugliness of this serial murders case could reach the light instead of the light protecting from it. Idk, it's curious
Say what you want about Kevin Spacey as a person but his monologue in the backseat of the car was phenomenal and this movie is a masterpiece
Despicable human being but a great actor to play roles of creeps. Perhaps he borrows from real life experiences
@@anuragC819 Acting was the time when he could take off his person-suit and be what he is
He is pathetic excuse for a human being but yes he is good at pretending.
@@LumpyAdams Truth. If he was a construction worker, people wouldn't be all "well he may be an serial abuser and predator but he sure can hang drywall like a total pro." it is is crazy what people will justify or excuse.
Yes, the movie was phenomenal. I wholeheartedly agree. But with respect specifically to Kevin Spacey's monologue in the backseat of the car or at any point in the movie for that matter, give praise not to Kevin but to who wrote the movie's screenplay.
"What's in the box?!" is one of those cinematic moments that I will always remember. The fear, dread, agony in Brad Pitt's voice. The conflict as he struggles to not shoot Spacey...ugh. Such a powerful iconic scene.
I do rideshare driving for work and every time somebody brings a box in the car I can't help but to ask them "what's in the boooxxxx"
The Jodie Foster reference was referencing the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan and had an obsession with Jodie Foster from ‘Taxi Driver’.
He was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was committed to a mental hospital for 35 years. One of the security guards injured and paralysed in the shooting eventually died about 30 years afterwards, and the shooter was once again considered not responsible by reason of mental illness.
Sidenote: When Brad Pitt slipped on the ladder or the hood of the car, he for real broke his arm/wrist, so when he is holding his arm for the rest of that scene, its FOR REAL.
Lawyers are subject to rules of professional conduct, which are set by a combination of the Bar Association and the state. Violating them is grounds for the lawyer to be disbarred, which means they cannot practice law, and would also be grounds for the client to challenge the outcome (appeal/retrial/etc.) One of the main rules is 'reasonable diligence' -- a lawyer must act with the best interests of the client in mind, and cannot neglect or disregard legal matters that might benefit their defense.
Therefore, a lawyer who intentionally tanked their client's case would be risking losing their career, and the client would likely have grounds to get a new trial anyway, so it would be a colossal waste of time. Lawyers defend people they know are guilty all the time. If they cannot stomach the clients' actions then they must resign from the case.
Judd Nelson did a whole movie about this. It’s not great, but still. 1987’s From the Hip, directed by Bob Clark.
Also, in cases like this, where the guilt isn't in question, a lot of times the arguments become about whether the evidence is sufficient, or admissible, if any rights were violated etc. Because if ts aren't crossed and I aren't dotted, that could be the difference between setting someone free, or putting them away.
@@Skawty exactly the point I was going to make. In a case like this, the best thing a lawyer can do for society is to make sure there can be no possible grounds for mistrial or appeal on the basis of a technicality after the fact.
@@AutoPilate Although it wasn't particularly believable, it was still a great movie making fun of the law. Judd does an excellent job, and its one of John Hurts better roles.
From the Hip is still one of my favorites.
@@Skawty Guilt is ALWAYS in question.
That is the fundamental cornerstone of the Common Law system used in the US: The Presumption Of Innocence, otherwise known as Innocent until proven guilty.
The State must prove the crime was committed, in felony criminal cases this usually means prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Murder, along with certain other very serious crimes like Espionage, Terrorism, or Treason, as well as some more obscure ones relating to illegal access to information, such as hacking of public or private financial data, and even things like certain fraud related crimes, carry HUGE penalties, in the case of Murder and Treason, in many instances, up to and including execution.
For these crimes, the threshold for 'Beyond Reasonable Doubt' virtually means NO DOUBT, because when someone's life is on the line, even one tiny skerrick of a question mark over a key piece of inculpatory evidence, could cause jurors doubt, and due to the severity of crime, and potential punishment, such doubt can be deemed reasonable even if it would otherwise be deemed entirely pedantic, and unreasonable, like it may be for a lesser criminal case. What is or is not a reasonable doubt, is often determined by the courts, indirectly, to be dependent on the severity of the crime and how severe the remedy therefor.
Thus, it maybe considered the 'Presumptive' element of 'Innocence' until proof of guilt is even MORE compelling in a case like this, than a lesser severe one, and by that alone, guilt be more in question than in a lesser case with less compelling inculpatory evidence.
Set design on this movie is insane. All those meticulously written journals are real and someone spent days writing them out for a few shots on screen, besides all the other things in the killer's room.
"We're gonna watch Seven"
So you have chosen the heart of darkness.
The Lust scene ... has to be the most honest sincere reaction I've EVER seen!!!! ... Love you guys! .... awesome video!
11:30 I love that George, though curious about the pound of flesh, recognizes the discomfort and politlely moves on...
A couple of things about this film:
1) The entire film is shown from Somerset and Mills' direct point of view, and there isn't a single scene where at least one of them isn't present. This is because the movie literally follows the investigation as it unfolds, and we only find out the details as they uncover them. That's why the murders aren't shown, and why we have to figure out what happened even as the detectives do. It's also why we don't meet the villain face to face until they do.
2) The studio famously tried to alter the ending because they thought it was too dark. They came up with all kinds of ridiculous ideas to water it down, all of which would have completely ruined the film. They only agreed to keep the original ending intact when Brad Pitt threatened to quit if they didn't.
3) Even then the ending was extended slightly at the studio's request. The original idea was for the film to end on the aerial shot of Mills walking away from John Doe's body. The director agreed to add the "world is worth fighting for" epilogue to leave the audience with a glimmer of hope, and make the ending a little less bleak.
That's interesting. What I read was that the original ending was even darker than that: they wanted Mills to kill John Doe with one gunshot -- and at that moment the screen goes black.
@@gomyawncher2514 I read it was Somerset who was supposed to kill him as a way ruin John Doe's "masterpiece" ending while still giving Brad Pitt what he wanted.
And they all hated that monologue. Fincher has absolutely no sympathy for the viewer & wanted it to end as you say. I love that.
@@AdamtheGrey02 One of the proposed "watered down" endings was that Somerset would decide to shoot Doe himself, thus taking it out of Mill's hands. He would then explain that it didn't matter what he did because he was retiring anyway, whereas MIlls still had his whole career ahead of him. Not only was this a really cheesy idea, it also didn't make sense; Somerset would almost certainly end up in prison, so the "nothing to lose" angle didn't work.
@@robpegler6545 Yeah that's what I was talking about but I don't recall he did it because he had nothing to lose but it was more of a self sacrifice deal to save Mills as well as to ruin the plan. But sure, if that "nothing to lose" line was his only excuse, it would have been a terrible idea. I'm happy with the actual ending though and it would make sense that Pitt's character still wouldn't get prison or at least much time if any due to temporary insanity. His life is still messed up regardless.
i have watched hundreds of movies in my 5+decades and this one was the only one i EVER saw in a theatre where the end of the movie came and no one, NOT ONE person said anything. everyone just got up in a daze and left. My head wasn't right for at least 3 days and it took a few years to realize why. The impact of this movie is made not just from the amazing acting or the twisting storyline but from the realism. The story that Morgan Freemans character tells to the captain about the guys eyes getting stabbed out just nails home that every bit of this movie could easily be and probably has been at some point, very very real. "Ernest Hemmingway once said, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for...I agree with the second part."
I will say, I never saw this movie in theaters, but I have had that same reaction you described to only one movie in my lifetime: Hereditary
I had the same experience with American Sniper .. Packed theater and no one said a WORD!
One other movie in theaters where everyone left silently was 9/11. How it ended with the plane going down in the field was so sad, especially knowing how the passengers fought the terrorists until the end. They went out fighting.
@@Akihito007 there are a lot of 9/11 memorials across the country, but in Union City, CA there is a memorial specific to Flight 93. It was headed here and many of the passengers were from the area.
@@MessOfThings That's good to know. I still remember where I was that day. It's sad so many people were too young to remember or not even born yet. How easily we forget.
This one made a stir upon its release. Critics and audiences were bowled over by how grim and gruesome it was. So much so that it's easy to miss the fact that almost no violence occurs on screen.
When I watched for the first time, I think it was the first R18+ movie I saw, and I was expecting a lot of violence and gore, but there was barely any in it which made it great but even more disturbing.
Imagination is a powerful tool!
To answer the question on lawyers: it is their legal obligation to provide defense and not sabotage the case. Failure to do so can result in a mistrial, especially if it is obvious they mishandled the case because they didn't like their client/didn't believe in their innocence. They are also not allowed to lie if they have knowledge of legal guilt; they only need to combat false evidence. They cannot offer evidence they know is false, so they can't lie on behalf of their client. There should be no moral conflict because the evidence will show their client is guilty and they are just guiding the process along to its final verdict.
Leland Orser's performance is chilling. Then again, in every small part I've seen him in, he's fantastic. And he doesn't get enough credit for it.
One of the best character actors in the world, right up there with people like David Morse and JT Walsh who never really got a leading role but added several tonnes of gravitas to part and films that could have been very average without them
Hear hear! That scene is brilliant!
He's also in Pearl Harbor as one of the soldiers that's being tended to by Kate Beckinsale as he is bleeding to death. Dude's made a career out of playing traumatized characters.
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I REALLY don't think, that in the 26 (TWENTY SIX!) years since this movie released, that a better thriller has been made. Even watching this for the umpteenth time in a cut up manner with people talking over it I still get chills... Not to mention that it is proving to be quite timeless. It doesn't play at all as a mid '90s film.
There have been some really good thrillers like Prisoners and Nightcrawler and Wind River but honestly nothing can even comes close to making me uneasy like Se7en did.
I mean certain aspects of it feel very much of that time, like Fincher's lighting scheme, the opening credits etc. But yea, overall, the story and themes present in it are going to likely feel relevant to any generation that watches it.
@@moonlitegram but his style has been frequently copied since, so it really doesn’t feel all that dated
@@dylanjordan4747 Idk. I mean you can see Fincher's influence in films from time to time now for sure, but its not like it was in 90s where it felt like 1 out of 4 films were trying to emulate him. For me, this look is strongly tied to that era in my mind.
Agreed. There is no better thriller. The closest to get this dark but stay realistic is “No Country For Old Men”. But nothing accurately presents the wickedness of life and also hope at the same time like SE7EN. Hope because at the end Somerset chooses to still fight for this world. It is a story of hope.
The lawyer isn’t defending the person’s actions, they’re ensuring the government has every right to lock them up. Crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s. If the Justice system can’t label you as a criminal despite the best efforts of the attorney then there’s a flaw in the system that needs to be acknowledged.
"Just a thriller..." Oh you sweet young lady, you aren't ready. 😆
This movie disturbed me for days after first watching it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. It definitely achieved what it was meant to do, so it has all of the hallmarks of a great film
That's how I was after watching "Nocturnal Animals" due to that opening part of the "book" part of the movie. the rest of the movie was excellent and a well written subtle revenge story or I guess the movie is a revenge story within a revenge story.
i still have that feeling after watching 'apt pupil' almost 25 years after watching it, i still get a bit uneasy thinking about it.
David Fincher definitely has a knack for suspense. When you are up for another thriller, you should check out "Zodiac".
...for a more uplifting movie, tho, I'd suggest Amelie or The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty (with Ben Stiller)
If you're suggesting more David Fincher and Amélie, then they should definitely watch Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection for more David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet respectively.
@@LumpyAdams Why?
Another David Fincher classic is "The Game" with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. One of the best psychological dramas I've ever seen: definitely a must watch!! Love your channel, guys, and your reactions!!
oh yes I remember "The game". Its a nice one indeed
The epic 'Apocalypse Now' also opens without any credits, but it really doesn't have any opening credits. That would be a good one to do, one day.
The opening music that is 'going to give you nightmares' was made by the great Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails)
Oh, and the marquis de Sade was 18th century, not 16th.
A clever little touch in this movie that is a bit hard to pick up on when watching at home, is that the end credits scroll in the opposite direction from normal. It is so disconcerting if you're trying to read the credits, as your eye is constantly fighting to keep up, and it's just not possible. You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what. A very sly and effective way to unsettle the audience even after the movie has ended.
"You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what."
It's pretty darn obvious lol.
Leland Orser is the actor who plays the man who was made to kill the hooker. If you watch enough movies, you will see him all over the place, and he always steals the show, no matter how small his role. This scene here is no exception. His performance in this makes the crime incredibly disturbing, even though all he does is describe what happened.
what an awesome character actor...i remembered his scene made me find an appreciation for character actor's....
I went to see this a second time in theaters just to observe the first-timers' reactions.
Good call! I also saw it a second time at the theater when it first came out, but just because I couldn't get it put of my head! It needed to "marinate" in my brain for a while longer. Definitely the mark of an epic film.
Ah, Someone else who enjoys seeing others squirm...😁
Ah yes, back when reaction videos didn’t exist 😂
Great reaction, one of the best movies of the 90’s with the most messed up ending.
I remember literally shouting at the screen for Mills not to kill Doe, I also remember being absolutely speechless figuring out the whole plan as I sort of knew what was in the box, but had no idea how it tied to the last two “sins”.
The scene in the brothel is particularly brutal and graphic, Simone was visibly shocked and upset by that and I don't blame her, it's hard to comprehend something like that.
Especially since we don’t actually see the victim’s body. We just see that photo of the strap on and the traumatized man’s testimony and our imagination filled in the gaps. 🤢
@@Serenity113 which somehow makes it more brutal to me. I remember watching the movie for the first time like a year ago. That shit was disturbing.
Thats the "beauty" of this movie. They leave so much of the horror up to one imagination.
To me ( and just my opinion) I always felt that the male in that scene was the one who felt LUST ( prostitutes usually don't) and he was the victim of LUST and of the serial killer even though he didn't die. and then in the car, the killer mentions "the disease-spreading whore" . i thought this was the only script problem, but probably a lot of people don't see it that way.
Yeah. I can easily handle gore and brutality as I am pretty desensitized to it but stuff like the brothel scene is the stuff that really gets me even though we didn’t see anything still fucked me up. That scene was the hardest part of the movie for me to watch.
I felt so bad for Simone. She seemed really affected at times. I can only hope the likes of Dr. Pixar was able to offer a counterbalancing remedy.
The first 20 minutes of Up should perk her right up.
too bad anything kid friendly is going to drive YT bots crazy
There are specialized cleaning companies that deal with crimes scenes.
The finger print tech is Morgan Freeman’s son. The director didn’t tell the actor who played the cop standing over the guy in the bed that he was still alive so that was his genuine reaction when the guy coughed. The pride murder victim was a supposed to be a famous model so she had to choose death or being disfigured.
The actor playing the cop didn't realise the guy in the bed was alive ? - Did he think it was an actual cadaver ??
@@mistofoles No, he meant the actor playing the cop wasn't aware that the "dead" character was actually alive in the script, and so when the actor playing the "dead" person suddenly started stirring back to life, as directed, his reaction of surprise was genuine.
And for a happy ending, watch Sunshine Cleaning
The most disturbing sickening cinematic masterpiece in the history of cinema.
Not even close to be the most disturbing movie
@@tomerart9544 any recommendations?
I remember seeing this in the theater. Total gut bomb. From the creepy opening credits and music, to the surprise ending… I was incredibly impressed, considering I felt stunned like I’d just been punched in the face.
Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now has no credits. He had them printed on leaflets that were handed out at early screenings.
And the creepy music over the credits sequence is a reworking of Nine Inch Nails "Closer", the music video to which is on a par with Se7en in the dark & disturbing stakes.
I hoped you'd like the opening credits. I saw this at the theatre when I was 20 and I was blown away and so excited that a movie had actually used the opening title to convey meaning - first and best use I'd ever seen.
I dont like the film noir and private dick genre - but this movie's art and feel is so perfect, you can't help but love it, even when youre disgusted, horrified, or just uncomfortable.
Glad I came across your channel. As somebody who loves films, you eventually find yourself at a point where it feels like you're running out of good films to watch and really have to dig deep, and at that point, you wish you could experience your first viewings of so many films all over again. Admittedly, it's basically a hobby at this point for me to share films from my collection with friends and acquaintances. Not only because I feel like everybody should watch them at least once before they die, but also because by introducing a film to them, I'm sort of reliving my first experience through them vicariously, and reaction videos such as yours give me a similar feeling. I love seeing how people react to films and comparing our interpretations. I find it fascinating and thoroughly entertaining. At least when important lines aren't being interrupted/spoken over, which you two rarely do from the couple of videos I've seen of yours so far, so good on you. Keep 'em coming.
Another good Brad Pitt movie was "12 Monkeys" with Bruce Willis, time traveler film
The opening theme from "Se7en" was a different version of the song "Closer" by the group 9 Inch Nails
You can see the removal of the fingerprints in the opening sequence @2:31. So that is why they don't find prints @20:15.
Absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time, and glad to have come across this channel to find reactors who DON'T talk throughout the movie the entire time, watching movies at home is different from at the cinema where you can voice what you're thoughts are during certain scenes, but for me, I'll never understand why so many big and small channels feel the need to narrate/talk during the whole movie/show that they've never seen before, I guess they feel they're being entertaining, but of course they miss things because they were talking. Anyhow, great reaction to a timeless classic, SUBBED! 👍
Fun fact, they actually made a prosthetic head of Gweneth Paltrow, however they did not use it at the end, but if you see the movie, Contagion, they used it in the autopsy scene.
I'm not sure if maybe I'm a little sick, but I love to watch people react to this film for the first time. And in your case, the reactions were everything that they're supposed to be. I hope none of you are too affected still (it's been 4 months since you uloaded this, I think), but I tell you... The first time I watched this movie I felt... dazed by the end of it, and that's the point, you are supposed to become sickened by the events and the end is supposed to make you feel confused. Hell, like my dad pointed out the first time we talked about the movie, even the end credits are designed to perpetuate this confussion (they roll downwards instead of upwards, like most movies do... like we're acustomed to).
It is a truly mesmerizing movie and, I swear, the best Thriller that has even been made or will ever be made.
Edit. Also: regarding 32:16 it's even worse, believe it or not. Trust me, I've thought of the exact same thing ever since I first watched the movie, only I did remember it. The last time Mill's wife is on screen is actually right before "Sunday" starts. Mills and Somerset had their apathy conversation and then both go home. Somerset is throwing his knife into a bullseye and Mills can be seen cuddling with her in their bed. I think he says something, or she does or maybe they're both silent. That I can't remember for sure, but that is the last time she's on screen... You see them and how even in this frightening world they at least have each other... and then...
That was a pretty good reaction to the end of the movie, perplexed, confused, horrified from what you guys just watched, that was the purpose of that movie, Finch is a master at that.
In the states, an atty has to give their client the best legal representation possible, lest they risk disbarment, regardless of how horrendous and disgusting the crimes are.
When this movie came out, it was a wild assertion that the activity of certain library books would be tracked and recorded. Now, just 25-ish years later, we all know and accept that everything we do is logged. Wild.
One of the most disturbing films, like Saw and Hostel disturbing (and they came after). But if you are movie watcher/fan, it's unfortunately a must watch film.
Sloth (Michael Reid Mackay) also appeared in X-Men2 as Jason, Stryker's telepathic son. Supposedly Bryan Singer (director of X2) told the X2 casting director that he wanted someone who "looked like that guy from Se7en" to play Jason and they responded, "well, we could just get that guy from Se7en" and they did.
One of the most uncompromising films ever made - bleak, dank, powerful w/Freeman & Pitt at the top of their games. Fincher's masterpiece. Solid choice & reactions.
Also, gotta give love to writer Andrew Kevin Walker.
Your reaction’s to finding out John killed Detective Mills’s wife was top tier. This is by far the best reaction to Se7en I’ve seen.
In cases like this the point of the defense attorney is to keep the prosecution and court honest and to advocate to get the best and most fair trial for their client. No matter how deplorable or guilty a client is if the prosecution or police mishandle the investigation or break the rules then the defense attorney is there to call them on it.
RE: Defense Lawyers - If they don't do the best they can, the case can be appealed and the attorney might be disbarred. It's basically malpractice. There's a series of books bu Michael Connelly about "The Lincoln Lawyer" (the title of the first book), who is a defense lawyer in modern L.A. In the first few books, he explains the mindset of the defense attorney. Basically, the system doesn't work unless both side try their best, and if the system doesn't work the best it possibly can, then it doesn't work at all. Throughout the series, the Main character (Mickey Haller) does have to defend some guilty people.
If a lawyer just 'mails it in' will cause reason for a mistrial and the person will have to be retried. Then the lawyer risks disbarment.
That means that the system is broken by default. The only solution for us regular citizens is for us to be law abiding citizens and stay completely out of the courts!
Jesus Christ..that's pretty much everyone's reaction the first time and she wasn't at the end yet. This was my favorite movie for a long time just because I was floored.
One of the best movie of all time imo, superb story telling, superb acting, superb cinematography, it's just perfect...
Simone, this one got me too. Hope y'all are well
When I first saw this, I said I wouldn't watch it again and I didn't until I watched a TH-cam reaction to it. This is the second time. It's interesting that you never even see a murder on screen until the climactic ending (no spoilers). What makes it so disturbing is that it leaves 6 of the 7 crimes to your imagination.
The Jodie Foster reference is about the man who shot President Reagan.
So many miss that. John Hinckley Jr became obsessed with Jodie Foster after seeing 'Taxi Driver'. He stalked her, slipping notes under her door and phoning her. Then he concluded that if he assassinated the President she would see him as someone worthy of her. He very nearly succeeded in his attempt. He's out now and has a music TH-cam channel ! th-cam.com/channels/ck3J5KR3INUP1K-hrBe8iA.html
@@dabe1971 I knew all that except for the YT channel. That's rich. I won't hit ur link cuz I don't want to drive any traffic there.
One of my favourite movies of all time. It is amazing!
Bach in the library while it's raining in NY has given kind of historical atmosphere to a movie that deals with ancient religiousity.
In the U.S. a lawyer cannot intentionally do a shitty job of representing his client since it can be used as grounds for a mistrial or an appeal later. Not to mention the lawyer can be sanctioned or even disbarred.
I'm not necessarily a negative person but it was just so oddly refreshing to see a not so happy ending that wasn't strictly a horror film.
I grew up in the 80's where happy endings were compulsory so to see a mainstream thriller just give you the most downbeat ending ever but still blow me away was a great lesson to learn
I have to admit that to this day that when in certain type of stairway...
I am prone to yelling :
DETECTIVE!!!!
(Especially if in knowing & appreciative company)
Best reaction I've ever seen to this film. Great job, guys.
There was some subtle foreshadowing when Somerset was listing out the 7 deadly sins in the police station. He listed them all out on his hand before turning directly to Mills listing the final sin of “envy”.
The police captain is played by the same guy who plays the drill instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket, R. Lee Ermey. Definitely another film worth the watch.
Sloth is the most horrific death in any movie I've ever seen
I really like that you had no clue about the surprise…made for a very good and genuine reaction.
Lawyer's responsibility is to the law,, so they will just make sure that the law is followed correctly, and the prosecution follows the correct procedures
"Responsibility" and "law" are both myths, though.
I remember when I went to see this in the theater, I saw a friend of mine coming out of a previous screening. I asked him how it was and he was utterly speechless and haunted. He didn't say one word.
31:15 - "The bad guy wins." Sorry but that line made me laugh. You so perfectly summed up the entire movie in 4 simple words. Thanks for another incredible review. Love your reviews.
that was my EXACT same reaction when i watched this movie for the first time, that movie's so messed up but truly a masterpiece at the same time. and that "I need to go watch something happy now" though 😂💀
In the film,the darkest day is where it's sunny and bright and not the usual rain that permeates through most of the film
The look on your faces in the intro was all nervous excitement and curiosity. The look during the final commentary says it all.
I taught at a private school that had a minister who taught a course on ethics and morality, and he would always show this film as part of his course. Still a brilliantly constructed film...
Notice how at the end when David shoots him, 6 shots were fired, one for each sin who died in the movie, all except David.
Defence attorneys absolutely put their best effort into defending their clients. I once heard it explained by a deffence attourney that the point that you start making your own judgement on a case is the point that you lose objectivity. If you can't be objective you can't do your job. If you can't do your job then eventually someone who actually is innocent may suffer because of that.
Also it's important to note that not having an effective defence is grounds for appeal. If you can prove that your defence was incompetent it can result in a conviction being quashed.
is that a queens of the stone age shirt?! Best band ever
Great reaction as always, guys. I would recommend you to watch the techno-thriller, Mr Robot. It is an underrated thriller masterpiece.
best tv show of all-time
I have tried many times to watch Mr Robot but (without spoilers) something happens early on in the season and I can’t remember what episode to a specific character in a really fucked up way and I just haven’t been able to get passed it.
Criminal defense lawyers do not always represent clients to prove or profess their innocence, (when they’ve plead guilty there’s literally no reason to), the job becomes about protecting a defendants rights in the process . Guilty or not there is still legal procedure that the state must follow. They must turn over evidence, they are not allowed to take shortcuts or violate anyone’s rights, even if they do plead guilty.
The movie that asked the infamous question, "What's in the Box?!"
You'll start noticing how big of a pop culture reference it is. It's been used in a lot of other movies and shows since.
Great film, great reaction. Bleak and dark but amazing film and performances. Keep it up guys, always happy to see new uploads from you two!
They kept Spacey's name completely out of the marketing, and out of the opening credits. For TV spots, they even altered his voice when you hear him on the 911 call. Spacey had just had his big breakout with The Usual Suspects earlier in the year, and there was already Oscar buzz around his performance, so it was felt that if people knew he was in it, they'd be waiting for him to show up, and they'd figure out he was playing they killer right away. That's why his credit is the first to come up at the end. That's his delayed opening credit. Luckily, the worldwide web was barely in its infancy, and you could still keep something like that under wraps.
But other than revealing who would be the actor to play the victim, nothing would change.
Like, were people really that shocked that an actor would play a character?
I mean, it's a cool surprise, but in terms of storytelling, it doesn't really matter at all.
@@clydefrosch It's a mystery. The goal of a mystery is to not let the audience get ahead of the story. If viewers halfway through the movie figure out that Kevin Spacey is going to be the killer, they eliminate all other possibilities from their mind, and suspense dries up.
@@jamesoblivion but who else could they believe would be the murderer?
Its not like there were tons of red herings honestly. Every suspect is quickly revealed not to be it by the time you see their face too, I think.
I get the idea in general, but not for this movie specifically
"I'd probably go for thigh..."
That seemed to come out of nowhere. Am I a horrible person for laughing uncontrollably?
@@rustincohle2135 I know it's 6 months ago, but, the love handle only worked because he has them, I'm a skinny thing, skin and bones, the only way I'd be able to cut a pound of flesh is if I sliced off my calves. Probably wouldn't be considered for the option of Greed, but if I was in that situation, I would be fucked.
As far as I know (which is not a lot) a lot of defense lawyers on brutal cases like this just try to go for insanity or justification of the crimes to lessen the sentence
I watched this in a theater when it came up. It haunted me many days after...
I think, David Fincher is one of my top 3 all time favorite movie directors working today! I loved almost every movie, he´s made and he made A LOT that I´ve seen..........
O.J's lawyers knew he was guilty & they got him acquitted.
Yup
When you are representing someone who is clearly guilty and you know that the person is guilty, it is still their right to have good representation. The best representation you can offer someone who is guilty to this extent is to help them admit to as much as they can and help families grieve. You also try to help them find remorse for their crimes and show that remorse (because it helps the grieving families move forward faster). You essentially try your best to make the situation better for everyone involved by working with your client to get them plea deals in exchange for confessions (making life easier on the cops) and even possibly time in mental care facilities (which helps other inmates not be exposed to their toxicity and helps them to learn to have remorse and come to terms with how evil what they have done is rather than just rot in a cell). Damage control essentially
When you guessed if Brad Pitt was going to be wrath, and I could tell that you weren't really figuring it out it was just a solid guess but it really made me think that you guys are pretty smart. And it also tells me that movies like The Sixth Sense do such a good job of subverting expectations cuz if you guys can watch it and not figure out the ending then they did a good job because you guys start breaking down stuff in these movies and you come so close or hit the nail on the head with your assessments but I can tell you still don't know you guys are just guessing but this part of me is thinking oh my God you guys are figuring it out
To answer your question about defense attorney's "throwing a case", it can result in convictions being overturned or be grounds for a new trial. It also can result in sanctions against the lawyer or disbarment (the revocation of their license to practice law). What the lawyer was doing in that scene technically was extortion, and could be grounds for disbarment. He was leveraging bad press and political fallout against the police as bargaining chip to serve his client...regardless of how shady it was or how guilty his client was.
It's brilliant writing! This is such a great movie
12:30 - you got the reference to Son of Sam but you missed the reference to Jodie Foster, which was the crazy reasoning given by Chapman, the murderer of John Lennon, who thought she'd be impressed by what he did. The defense lawyer was just speaking on behalf of his client when he offers Brad and Morgan the deal, as his client, Spacey, had instructed him to.
This is one of my top 5 all time favourite movies. I have never seen a film to match it in tone and style. This movie is what inspired me to start writing crime thriller novels.
Talking about the Marquis De Sade... maybe check out the film "Quills" it's a film about the Marquis De Sade played by Geoffrey Rush (Barbosa from Pirates of the Caribbean) it's brilliant.
Thank you both for watching/reacting to this incredible film. Despite the heavy subject matter this will always be a truly epic film of the genre. I had to see it twice at the theater in fall '95. I hope the two of of you, Simone in particular, were okay afterwards.
Please consider another film from the same director, ZODIAC (2007).
This best aspect of this movie for me is the fact that you never see the tortures, it just let's your imagination fill in the picture
Anytime anyone ever says "What's in the box?" in any situation and totally unrelated context, I can't help but think, "Gwyneth Paltrow's head" lol
I was at times drawn to darkness as a teen, and somewaht still am. So I love this movie.
Because like you said, John isn't wrong. And neither is detective Somerset.
He knew the grim reality.
..and what Mills did, was to try to deny it. So therefore John could easily make him become..
wrath. And he in the end won. Got to finish his "masterpiece", his lecture on mankind.
"..what sick ridiculous puppets we are.."
Re: Lawyers... a lawyer can be disbarred if it's discovered they didn't defend a client using all available means and thoroughly ... judges will scrutinize lawyers and charge them if they think they are slacking, even with creeps and monsters. Presumed innocence is very important for the system to work and not slip into a corrupt state.
I'm a year late but as far as your question about defense lawyer ethics: If it can be proven in court that your work wasn't conducted ethically and to the best of your ability you may be disbarred and the defendant will be allowed a mistrial.