I see a lot of People complaining that the Firebird can t kill Carracks/Reclaimers/M2 Herc/C2 Herc but people seem to forget she was never supposed take engagements with those big hunks.... her purpose is to hunt down similar sized crafts, she is meant to blast a Gladius out of the sky which she does just fine, or a Scorpius, which she does just fine, or a Ares which she does just fine, or maybe a C1 Spirit or similar which again she does just fine :3 i don t get all the negativity sorry :3 but if you think your light and medium fighters should kill big ships you are just dreaming thats not how it´s supposed to be and not how it will work in the future.
While I get your point and absolutely agree, I also see the others' point: A dedicated missile ship that cannot take down a fighter (a heavy one, but still) with a missile barrage (of which you only have two) is just sad. In the current state of the game player missiles are just a joke. If 5-6 seconds on target with laser cannons equal to the barrage of a dedicated missile ship, I see no point in using a weapon so limited on ammo and which needs dedicated lock-on. The Ion is in a bd place, but it could pop a Firebird before latter even got a missile lock. I hate to say this, I really do, but it looks like missile need a damage buff of at least 5x. And that is IF they hit. Counter measures are a thing after all. With only two barrages, I'd spend one noise and 3 flares, then give the Firebird a laser cannon love tap and be done with it once it ran out of damage potential.
@@j.d.4697 it's definitely the ship, it took me 6 of the missiles and all 2000 rounds to take down an Argo Raft during VLRT 💀. I didn't miss a shot... At least it looks cool lol.
@@j.d.4697 Don't try defender, the ship is bad, missions are ruins in general, it's worth it in an eclipse or connie, but the missions don't work well, and now in master mode they seem to be even worse, it's a ship just to be beautiful, Nothing else
>amazing >4k rounds of S3 ballistics and half the payload of missiles just to kill 2 (two) ships we might have some different interpretations on the word amazing
If I had targeted the actual Gladius which was the target, the MRT would have been much shorter. Did you see how quickly it was destroyed? How about the Scorpius in the HRT?
But they aren't useless lol just need to know how to use them. I killed a vanguard warden and a constellation with missile barrages earlier. You expecting 1 missile to pop your target is why you think they don't work
@@undeadpeak i mean we are able to scan and sub target specific components with guns, maybe at some point missiles will allow the same/something similar :3 and with 4.0 Engeneering coming thats gonna have one hell of an impact on Stealth gameplay :3 sneaky scanning and launching some crippling blows before engaging close range will be terrifying :3
@@xichronix8090 I mean we can already do that, it's just really difficult to pull off as you need the target to keep a good trajectory, now most SC players aren't that good at defensive flying so you can pull it off a good amount of the time
Can't wait for S3 cluster missiles. It's only lacking two things in my opinion: the 40% emission reduction of the other Sabre variants, and more missile variety.
I think missiles need a rework overall. More variety in types of missiles, and more meaningful differences in those missile types other than just tracking type. Like S2 we have rattlers, and S1 we have pioneers and taskforce, those are three pretty different missiles, but we should have at least that level of variety in all 4 non torpedo size classes.
Name tags clutter up the screen so bad already. I'm not sure why they all have to be flashing red when not targeted. We have an alarm that lets the pilot know how close the missile is getting.
@@friendlystranger123 Honestly I'd just go for smaller missile indicators, and maybe a different color choice. I don't think we should be totally absent indicators, but they could stand to be less intrusive.
I bought the ship. Sold after 24 hours lol.. once you’re missiles are done you should leave. The guns are about as useful as the eclipse’s Same play style almost tbf
for HRTs in the firebird I prefer to use the missile munitions to thin out smaller ships that may run escort, and run with M5a cannons to take on the bigger ships. Also with just 2 guns, it has a pretty generous capacitor for energy weapons.
just as a tipp, try to set VJoy changable to your mouse, from Vjoy to relative... e.g. right alt. Fighting is much easier this way. and you can still strafe left or right easily and survive much longer. And also you will look highly professional this way ;)
I think missiles will be more viable in the future when server fps goes up and tech matures. The ship definitely has potential even though the current iteration of missiles are a bit wonky and unpredictable. The ship is beautiful.
it took me over 2000 rounds to take out a hornet, did not miss because he was standing still/going very slow and sparks were flying, this is a toothless shark
The Firebird is gorgeous, I'm not sure it's got a place in my fleet just because I already have plenty of fighters and combat ships, and I'm not sure I like it _more_ than the ones that I have... and I'm trying to be strong and not expand the number of ships in my fleet. 🤣 It looks really good with a lot of the paints too. It's really cool that the Auspicious Red now works on all three Sabres as do the new paints released with the Firebird. The classic Sabre is stunning with the new Ashcould paint.
Okay so, semi-unrelated but, that many bullets on ANY craft whether past or future (fantasy or not) would have died a long time ago. CIG need to increase ballistic damage to be REALISTIC. Even 100 rounds into the wing or body of a craft without shields would be obliterated. Just my 2 cents
"Missiles are useless" Yeah, I saw a streamer say that too after he launched a barrage without actually locking, I imagine you to be the same as that person, commenter.
I bought one. It's in my fleet, but it will probably be a hangar queen. My Hornet MKII has 2 more size 3's and 2 size 5's, so it is definitely better for pew pew. Maybe when stealth AND missiles both get buffed it will be a monster, but for now it was just another impulse buy for Launch Week. No ragrets!
You can like a ship without it being good or "meta" I love the firebird handles well and fits the role of a mini eclipse if you use the stealth and missiles correctly. And it can also decently dogfight with the agility it has. Dunno why people are shitting on you in the comments. But sc has some very toxic parts of the community
A F7A with dual S4 Revenants 2x badgers and 2x panthers are underwhelming with the applied damage right now... This sheit is not even worthy of the term underwhelming... it is way worse than that... A definite no buy for me.
Seems anything but amazing, imho. 12 S3 thrown + repair for a potential 10/15k? No thanks. Beautiful line, but terribile fighter spot. At this point, a Shrike or a MIS. Bonus: have you tried leaving atmo with a 325a? Your eyeballs melt
After hours of testing i have a different opinion on what amazing means 😄. There is no way that should cost more than a hornet. Maybe a hundred bucks tops. Barely useful at best. Not terrible as a mini eclipse.
I have been dueling firebirds all day in a STOCK gladius. They have broken my shields once, and that was a daaamn good pilot i was against. The firebird is shit.
The rockets seem to be really weak. 10 rockets + gatling vs vanguard... the ship should be more like a fast in and fast out while downing targets using rockets. for 180$ I'd expect more... for comparsion.. I bought the sabre raven in the past via ebay for 60$ and now it trippled in price. :D IMO its way 2 overpriced for what it can.
Amazing how bad this ship is. In a couple of patches that speed and maneuverability will be tweaked to standard and this ship will be a useless jpeg in the hangar.
It is terrible. I took it to HRT mission. 12 missiles in carrack, nothing happen, in close combat with rest of the ships it have no chance. Pointless ship at this moment.
Not sure about that. It's fast so can control the fight. Avenger One recently gve it an A rating and classed it above the F7A mk II and the F8C Lightning.
@Hemebean Check it for yourself, rent it, and take it for a spin. Hrt or ert and try to controll anything with 5 ship attacking you. Thought it would be fire and run strategy, but 12 is not enough, and you need to engage it in close combat. I know game has been changed with MM but CiG forgot to adjust the quantity of the enemies.
@@Hemebean he was guessing before the ship had even come out. Not really a strong basis to go off of. Go fly it yourself. Every single dedicated fighter is better than this piece of crap. Size 3 missiles are USELESS until they buff the damage
Missiles are so weak. Its absurd how much ammo you had to use to beat two braindead AI ships. Just use a Corsair, i can solo ERTs with just me in one, and ill do it quicker lol
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I see a lot of People complaining that the Firebird can t kill Carracks/Reclaimers/M2 Herc/C2 Herc but people seem to forget she was never supposed take engagements with those big hunks....
her purpose is to hunt down similar sized crafts, she is meant to blast a Gladius out of the sky which she does just fine, or a Scorpius, which she does just fine, or a Ares which she does just fine, or maybe a C1 Spirit or similar which again she does just fine :3
i don t get all the negativity sorry :3 but if you think your light and medium fighters should kill big ships you are just dreaming thats not how it´s supposed to be and not how it will work in the future.
While I get your point and absolutely agree, I also see the others' point: A dedicated missile ship that cannot take down a fighter (a heavy one, but still) with a missile barrage (of which you only have two) is just sad. In the current state of the game player missiles are just a joke. If 5-6 seconds on target with laser cannons equal to the barrage of a dedicated missile ship, I see no point in using a weapon so limited on ammo and which needs dedicated lock-on. The Ion is in a bd place, but it could pop a Firebird before latter even got a missile lock.
I hate to say this, I really do, but it looks like missile need a damage buff of at least 5x. And that is IF they hit. Counter measures are a thing after all. With only two barrages, I'd spend one noise and 3 flares, then give the Firebird a laser cannon love tap and be done with it once it ran out of damage potential.
It's really incredible that you need to use all the missiles and half the ammo on a 200 dollar ship to complete a bounty against TWO SHIPS
@@j.d.4697 it's definitely the ship, it took me 6 of the missiles and all 2000 rounds to take down an Argo Raft during VLRT 💀. I didn't miss a shot... At least it looks cool lol.
@@j.d.4697 Don't try defender, the ship is bad, missions are ruins in general, it's worth it in an eclipse or connie, but the missions don't work well, and now in master mode they seem to be even worse, it's a ship just to be beautiful, Nothing else
A little combat advice, try not to use your yaw so much. Roll your ship and keep your enemy verticle. It will help you keep on target longer
For a small missile boat, I think the most important factor is how well it runs away bravely from similar sized ships to launch another salvo
Came to see the Firebird. Stayed to listen to the music. Love it!!
Haha thanks !!! More songs coming soon !
I second this!
I know right, I wanna try the exact same combo rn, too. Firebird + awesome music = fck the haters and naysayers 😅
What's the name of the song?
@@DarthZavana I think there's a link at the end of the video :)
>amazing
>4k rounds of S3 ballistics and half the payload of missiles just to kill 2 (two) ships
we might have some different interpretations on the word amazing
That MRT took a long time. I don't know how you managed to make this entire video without mentioning how useless missiles are.
If I had targeted the actual Gladius which was the target, the MRT would have been much shorter. Did you see how quickly it was destroyed? How about the Scorpius in the HRT?
But they aren't useless lol just need to know how to use them. I killed a vanguard warden and a constellation with missile barrages earlier. You expecting 1 missile to pop your target is why you think they don't work
@@ThePuppetMaster33the only way you’ll kill something with 1 missile is by specifically going for the power plant with a really well timed shot
@@undeadpeak i mean we are able to scan and sub target specific components with guns, maybe at some point missiles will allow the same/something similar :3 and with 4.0 Engeneering coming thats gonna have one hell of an impact on Stealth gameplay :3 sneaky scanning and launching some crippling blows before engaging close range will be terrifying :3
@@xichronix8090 I mean we can already do that, it's just really difficult to pull off as you need the target to keep a good trajectory, now most SC players aren't that good at defensive flying so you can pull it off a good amount of the time
Can't wait for S3 cluster missiles. It's only lacking two things in my opinion: the 40% emission reduction of the other Sabre variants, and more missile variety.
I think missiles need a rework overall. More variety in types of missiles, and more meaningful differences in those missile types other than just tracking type. Like S2 we have rattlers, and S1 we have pioneers and taskforce, those are three pretty different missiles, but we should have at least that level of variety in all 4 non torpedo size classes.
Name tags clutter up the screen so bad already. I'm not sure why they all have to be flashing red when not targeted. We have an alarm that lets the pilot know how close the missile is getting.
@@friendlystranger123 Honestly I'd just go for smaller missile indicators, and maybe a different color choice. I don't think we should be totally absent indicators, but they could stand to be less intrusive.
Have You noticed how many bullets did it take to take down that vanguard? 3/4 of whole magazine?
I bought the ship. Sold after 24 hours lol.. once you’re missiles are done you should leave. The guns are about as useful as the eclipse’s
Same play style almost tbf
5.34 crazy amount of ammo to take out 1 ship. did they break the balistics again?
for HRTs in the firebird I prefer to use the missile munitions to thin out smaller ships that may run escort, and run with M5a cannons to take on the bigger ships. Also with just 2 guns, it has a pretty generous capacitor for energy weapons.
Right on, great review. Plus love the tune.
The good thing about this, is they're no longer having to only do updates of that chassis, for only the handful of Intel promo owners.
just as a tipp, try to set VJoy changable to your mouse, from Vjoy to relative... e.g. right alt. Fighting is much easier this way. and you can still strafe left or right easily and survive much longer. And also you will look highly professional this way ;)
I think missiles will be more viable in the future when server fps goes up and tech matures. The ship definitely has potential even though the current iteration of missiles are a bit wonky and unpredictable. The ship is beautiful.
it took me over 2000 rounds to take out a hornet, did not miss because he was standing still/going very slow and sparks were flying, this is a toothless shark
The Firebird is gorgeous, I'm not sure it's got a place in my fleet just because I already have plenty of fighters and combat ships, and I'm not sure I like it _more_ than the ones that I have... and I'm trying to be strong and not expand the number of ships in my fleet. 🤣 It looks really good with a lot of the paints too. It's really cool that the Auspicious Red now works on all three Sabres as do the new paints released with the Firebird. The classic Sabre is stunning with the new Ashcould paint.
Okay so, semi-unrelated but, that many bullets on ANY craft whether past or future (fantasy or not) would have died a long time ago. CIG need to increase ballistic damage to be REALISTIC. Even 100 rounds into the wing or body of a craft without shields would be obliterated. Just my 2 cents
"Missiles are useless"
Yeah, I saw a streamer say that too after he launched a barrage without actually locking, I imagine you to be the same as that person, commenter.
How does this compare to a standard Sabre?
Pro tip, the ashencloud paints work for all sabers! no need to buy that 500 dollar pack! :)
I bought one. It's in my fleet, but it will probably be a hangar queen. My Hornet MKII has 2 more size 3's and 2 size 5's, so it is definitely better for pew pew. Maybe when stealth AND missiles both get buffed it will be a monster, but for now it was just another impulse buy for Launch Week. No ragrets!
Size 5? how you do that? I thought F7A only equip 3 size 4s.
Hint for new peeps: Roll and pitch for pew pew in 323
the normal sabers red pant works on this to, Allso try out the new zoom lock on view when in combat
Should be called firecracker rather than firebird.. Use 1 - 2 volley and you are out of the fight
The Blade kill 😂
Dang It, I thought the package is with the Raven not the Comet! I forget there is the Comet.
You can like a ship without it being good or "meta"
I love the firebird handles well and fits the role of a mini eclipse if you use the stealth and missiles correctly. And it can also decently dogfight with the agility it has.
Dunno why people are shitting on you in the comments. But sc has some very toxic parts of the community
Oh don't you know it is going to be nerfed to hell by the next patch because this is CIG
A F7A with dual S4 Revenants 2x badgers and 2x panthers are underwhelming with the applied damage right now...
This sheit is not even worthy of the term underwhelming... it is way worse than that...
A definite no buy for me.
my missles dont lock propperly. it says locked and then i fire. the missles just go straight to the ground
Try switching to IR missiles like chaos 3s
@@shotgunmcshotgun1142 you cant switch missles in the firebrid atm
Seems anything but amazing, imho. 12 S3 thrown + repair for a potential 10/15k? No thanks. Beautiful line, but terribile fighter spot. At this point, a Shrike or a MIS. Bonus: have you tried leaving atmo with a 325a? Your eyeballs melt
what song is it playing at 3:30?
It's from the music channel :) link at the end of the video :)
After hours of testing i have a different opinion on what amazing means 😄.
There is no way that should cost more than a hornet.
Maybe a hundred bucks tops.
Barely useful at best.
Not terrible as a mini eclipse.
I have been dueling firebirds all day in a STOCK gladius. They have broken my shields once, and that was a daaamn good pilot i was against. The firebird is shit.
The rockets seem to be really weak. 10 rockets + gatling vs vanguard... the ship should be more like a fast in and fast out while downing targets using rockets. for 180$ I'd expect more... for comparsion.. I bought the sabre raven in the past via ebay for 60$ and now it trippled in price. :D
IMO its way 2 overpriced for what it can.
I like the design of the ship. Just haven't been a fan of missile focused combat. Torpedoes, on the other hand...
The Sabre comet? is it even comparable against firebird?
Amazing how bad this ship is. In a couple of patches that speed and maneuverability will be tweaked to standard and this ship will be a useless jpeg in the hangar.
Impressive? You unloaded all of your missiles and close to 3/4 of your ballistic ammo for 1 MRT. That's trash.
It is terrible. I took it to HRT mission. 12 missiles in carrack, nothing happen, in close combat with rest of the ships it have no chance. Pointless ship at this moment.
Not sure about that. It's fast so can control the fight. Avenger One recently gve it an A rating and classed it above the F7A mk II and the F8C Lightning.
@Hemebean Check it for yourself, rent it, and take it for a spin. Hrt or ert and try to controll anything with 5 ship attacking you. Thought it would be fire and run strategy, but 12 is not enough, and you need to engage it in close combat. I know game has been changed with MM but CiG forgot to adjust the quantity of the enemies.
@@Hemebean he was guessing before the ship had even come out. Not really a strong basis to go off of. Go fly it yourself. Every single dedicated fighter is better than this piece of crap. Size 3 missiles are USELESS until they buff the damage
@Hemebean yeah no chance, I'll take my 8 weapon hardpoints (4xS3's) and (4xS2's) on my F8C over the trash 2xS3's the firebird has.
@@Garflog643 haha, I rather also take for a ride my F7A Mk II
amazing is used way too often...
Why would you want to fire 6 missles at once. Good lord level useless.
Ok but what do you actually do whith it ?
The same missions since 2020 ?
We need more content, not more ships
Missiles are so weak. Its absurd how much ammo you had to use to beat two braindead AI ships. Just use a Corsair, i can solo ERTs with just me in one, and ill do it quicker lol
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Might be one of the worst pilots I’ve seen
lol what!? Took forever and in PvP it will be trash. Shill
clickbait the ship is dogshit and gladius which is half the price is better in everything
How is an opinion based on a genuine experience clickbait? Open a damn dictionary please.
@@Erad_Prime you know its doghsit and you're riding the hype, its clickbait