I've had a blast with my Firebird. The stock missiles gave me issues, but after upgrading them to Chaos IIIs I have been able to take out the main HRT or VHRT target from stealth and then get out of harm's way before the AI could even lock me. Like with my beloved Sabre Comet, it's all about playing to the strength of the ship and knowing when to retreat, re-enter a stealth profile, and then re-engage. I actually had a player bounty cursing me out about fighting dirty and not honorably dogfighting or something which I thought odd coming from a pile of flaming space debris on its way to Klescher, but hey, not everyone understands the purpose of stealth. ;)
in the PTU CIG has changed all missiles to be exactly the same in each size. they are all now slower and have farther minimum and maximum lock ranges than previously
It is *really* dangerous as a support craft in PvP . It's stealth is high enough that you're gonna be outside someone's detection range by the time you launch missiles while someone else is keeping them busy
The Firebird is a true ninja. It can launch missiles outside of most other ship's detection range, and if you do get caught, You have interceptor tuning and speed to pretty much outrun anything
Had to fight a player in a firebird yesterday and it’s really hard to get that thing locked. He just kept disappearing from radar and fired multiple missiles my way. Ultimately one of em hit, took out the left engine of my buccaneer and left me spiraling. So I guess if one is really good with this ship it can be a viable option against smaller ships in PvP.
A Buc is the ship I really want, but now I don't know I really hate the cockpit windows too many lines. So I think ill go with this ship I really love the Buc's look the engines are hot asf lol but I'd go with this one for the better display.
i got it just because future boff they set. love missile bouts too, and shrike was only one till this come out. i try bounty on player and it did miracle with missiles. its style is hit and run, similar to polaris they announce, or eclipse... looks on it is just bonus. when i tested i didnt die at all fast and i did HRT with it too.
I love this thing way more than I was expecting. Steal striking ships and killing them (or severely disabling) in 1 volley is very satisfying. I was able to take down a 600i with 12 missiles so I think this thing is very well suited for pve bounties if you dont like dog fighting. Just have to make sure the targets have their shields down and dont target you. Now that it will have 24, I can see it doing some VERY serious damage to unaware targets. I think the lack of guns is fine tbh since if you're needing to use them, you probably should be out of that fight already. Its really not meant for dog fighting even though it has some insane maneuverability.
My new fav ship! (: first week I played a guy let me check out his fleet, had a Sabre Raven. I’ve wanted one since. Not the same, but man, the gold and black and auspicious red sure are something!
go buy a lotto ticket if the missiles hit. out of 48 missiles fired, 6 hit. its an awesome ship, super sexy and so fast, but it sucks right now regarding missiles
CIG needs to decide how effective missiles will be. IRL they dominate air to air combat. But flares and ECM are really effective in this game along with poor missile tracking and slow speed.
@@Alopen-xb1rb There are ways to waste or defeat missiles irl though. It's just that there is no strategy like that in Star Citizen. No such thing as beaming, cranking, notching, using chaff and radar effectively, data link, passive lock-on, pitbull, maddogging, turning cold, L maneuvers (at least I call it like that) to force the missile to turn and waste energy especially at low atmospheric altitudes forcing more air drag and finally, no-escape zones (NEZ). CIG devs are clearly not flight enthusiasts and don't give a damn about anything which is why they need 300 useless reworks instead of having an original yet inspried and confident game design vision regarding this specifically. Same reason why there is a Sabre Firebird variant while the OG Sabre (and Comet subvariant) should have been this kind of missile boat although closer to 12 missiles in total than 24. A stealth fighter has not much use with just 4 BVR missiles except increasing the probability of kill with those by getting closer to the NEZ without getting spotted/engaged. But then again there are also energy shields and armors in this sci-fi universe so hitting anything with just one missile or 50 shots doesn't yield as great of a result and the Sabre can't do bombing, can't launch cruise missiles, can't use drop tanks or anything like that which would make it a lot more relevant. Therefore 4 missiles (A2A missiles) is really that bad for a stealth fighter. Which is why the 6th gen fighterss manufactures show interest in increasing the internal capacity because external pylons are a problem (drag, reducing acceleration and speed, maneuvrability, fuel consumption and RCS increase obviously) while LM and other manufacturers worked together to invent the Small Diameter (SD) glide bombs such as the GBU-53/B and GBU-39 so internally a F-35 can carry a whopping 8 long distance guided bombs.
Didn’t get a chance to try the firebird, but Ive always admired the first raven. I would love to use this thing in pvp stealthy hit and run bounties & push its limits!
I got a CCU to it and have one from store credits now to further testing when the servers are back to somewhat stable state. First 2 tests all the missiles did nothing to targets.... bugged =/
So, I'm pretty new to Star Citizen (pledged in 2019 and never played really) and I love this frikkin ship already. ILW was a horrible experience for my wallet, not gonna lie. I try and watch every review of this beautiful ship 😂 The giveaway would be rad ^~^
New to the channel! just wanted to say as a guy on low income all the info you provide through these videos is greatly appreciated so i dont waste my money! Great videos though man keep up the good work! Liked and Subbed!
Yeah, I have been testing the Firebird for days. In a fair fight face to face combat it is hopelessly outgunned by most, however using her speed&stealth attacking from the shadow she can take down just about anything especially with the weapon&stealth buff. The Firebird is not designed to fight ‘fair’ TBH if had to name her i would have given it the ‘little viper’ designation.
If it more guns and less missiles, I'd have grabbed it instantly. I love its aesthetics. But man, being able to fire 4 volleys of 6 missiles is tempting given what I've seen.
I refunded my Cutty Red and want to get a fighter. I'm really torn between this and the F7C/A. The F7A actually has less HP, is a little slower, and has the same shields. It has more firepower and is a little more maneuverable. I really like the concept of missile boats and stealth though! Tough decision!
This one is a pass for me. For a extra light fighter, I prefer the Arrow. It is smaller, also very zippy, and I prefer the gun layout. Missiles are "mit or miss" without the hits right now. A single seather ship should not be able to limp away after a light fighter/bomber spent ALL of its paylod on it, while a regular light fighter can light it up in 2-3 passes. On paper, you get "starter ship" levels of performance, plus a few (currently) not very useful missiles. You have the advantage in speed and signature, but you're also a fragile one trick pony. I know the top PVPers can use this to great effect, but they also used to use the Pisces a few patches back and won 1v10. In my eyes, this the fighter equivalent of a sports cabrio: It can do the basics you'd expect, but it is overpriced and has not real benefit for the average person besides bragging rights. I like the concept, I just don't think the current state of SC lends itself well to a stealth missile fighter. Both stealth and missiles need a fix/rework to be more impactful.
Pretty ship and it flies nice but missiles are a waste and it highlights how broken radar is. In dcs radar and missiles reach out quite a bit farther and thats based on real world capabilities. In space, where theres nothing between your radar and a target we've devolved and lost technology. Radar barely works and my dashboard has no dimmer switch for those dark nights...
CIG needs to consult actual fighter pilots. TheFM can be more basic then DCS but for god’s sake can basic tech like radar be quickly discernible and missiles be more reliable.
I think the Firebird is a cool ship, but it just doesn't feel effective. Especially now that master modes has made ship combat much harder. I've been struggling to do LRTs with it. Sometimes I can barely manage to kill the target and run from the adds, but other times I can throw all 12 missiles and all ~4000 rounds at the target and it doesn't die.
Why is everyone spreading so much misinformation about this ship? First of all, ballistic gatlings are by far the weakest guns now, so I don't understand why you call them "fantastic". Second, calling it a beast because it has a lot of missiles is kind of misleading, because half the time missiles simply don't work, which means half the time you are pretty useless in this ship. Third, this ship is NOT stealthier than an Eclipse! With the right tuning you can get your highest sig on the Eclipse down to something like 3500 -40% and roughly 4200 -20% (soon -40%) on the Firebird. If he really couldn't lock you while you could lock him it means he had bad settings and equipment, or most likely a high IR sig cause he somewhat recently used his NAV mode. Plus with how much faster it dies than the base Sabre once the shields are down, I think spviewer's 15k hull HP are more realistic.
I want to let you know I did not spread any misinformation, ballistics are very viable but also currently experiencing MM balancing just like laser repeaters which also do hardly anything. Second, I said I spotted the eclipse before he spotted and targeted me. At that moment I WAS stealthier than him, he probably didn’t know operate his modes correctly giving him a higher EM than he should have. You have to know my reviews are my opinions based off personal experience AND hard stats. I do love your comment though, as more information for people to see the better!
Not a good idea to base opinions on a product that won’t be finished fir many years to come. Buy based on looks, that is the only thing least likely to change significantly over time.
@@SpaceDad42 Eh, with all the reworks being planned even that's not entirely accurate. I say buy what you want. For me, I base my purchases off what loops I can do right now.
@@EvenLease44 *First,* I am questioning your definition of "fantastic" because based on info on erkul, my own experience and the experience of everyone and their videos except for you, ballistic gatlings are absolutely terrible DPS right now. *Second,* after saying "I could lock an Eclipse before it could lock me" you followed that up with "that's how stealthy the Firebird is", which implies it is stealthier than an Eclipse, when an Eclipse coming out of quantum is about as stealthy as an F8, the ship notorious for not being able to shake missiles. I am subscribed to your channel for a reason and opinion is obviously fine, but you presented these points like facts.
I've had a blast with my Firebird. The stock missiles gave me issues, but after upgrading them to Chaos IIIs I have been able to take out the main HRT or VHRT target from stealth and then get out of harm's way before the AI could even lock me. Like with my beloved Sabre Comet, it's all about playing to the strength of the ship and knowing when to retreat, re-enter a stealth profile, and then re-engage.
I actually had a player bounty cursing me out about fighting dirty and not honorably dogfighting or something which I thought odd coming from a pile of flaming space debris on its way to Klescher, but hey, not everyone understands the purpose of stealth. ;)
What other upgrades do you recommend?
in the PTU CIG has changed all missiles to be exactly the same in each size. they are all now slower and have farther minimum and maximum lock ranges than previously
"You don't fight with honor!"
"He did."
It is *really* dangerous as a support craft in PvP . It's stealth is high enough that you're gonna be outside someone's detection range by the time you launch missiles while someone else is keeping them busy
The problem is that people just dodge/flare off missiles regardless of whether they see you or not.
The Firebird is a true ninja. It can launch missiles outside of most other ship's detection range, and if you do get caught, You have interceptor tuning and speed to pretty much outrun anything
Had to fight a player in a firebird yesterday and it’s really hard to get that thing locked. He just kept disappearing from radar and fired multiple missiles my way. Ultimately one of em hit, took out the left engine of my buccaneer and left me spiraling.
So I guess if one is really good with this ship it can be a viable option against smaller ships in PvP.
That's the case with a lot of things - skill does matter.
A Buc is the ship I really want, but now I don't know I really hate the cockpit windows too many lines. So I think ill go with this ship I really love the Buc's look the engines are hot asf lol but I'd go with this one for the better display.
The boosting in this and engine sounds are on point and sounds so nice
i got it just because future boff they set. love missile bouts too, and shrike was only one till this come out. i try bounty on player and it did miracle with missiles. its style is hit and run, similar to polaris they announce, or eclipse... looks on it is just bonus. when i tested i didnt die at all fast and i did HRT with it too.
I love this thing way more than I was expecting. Steal striking ships and killing them (or severely disabling) in 1 volley is very satisfying. I was able to take down a 600i with 12 missiles so I think this thing is very well suited for pve bounties if you dont like dog fighting. Just have to make sure the targets have their shields down and dont target you. Now that it will have 24, I can see it doing some VERY serious damage to unaware targets.
I think the lack of guns is fine tbh since if you're needing to use them, you probably should be out of that fight already. Its really not meant for dog fighting even though it has some insane maneuverability.
I picked one up yesterday, a ccu from my SRV. I am anxious to give it a thorough testing.
My new fav ship! (: first week I played a guy let me check out his fleet, had a Sabre Raven. I’ve wanted one since. Not the same, but man, the gold and black and auspicious red sure are something!
Sounds awesome!!
Got the saber last week as one of my first fighters in game and I’m in love so now seeing the missile variant got me so excited
I love this ship after the recent buff. I like the whole sabre line. They fly great.
I love the speed on the updated Raven and Firebird
go buy a lotto ticket if the missiles hit. out of 48 missiles fired, 6 hit. its an awesome ship, super sexy and so fast, but it sucks right now regarding missiles
CIG needs to decide how effective missiles will be. IRL they dominate air to air combat. But flares and ECM are really effective in this game along with poor missile tracking and slow speed.
@@Alopen-xb1rb There are ways to waste or defeat missiles irl though. It's just that there is no strategy like that in Star Citizen. No such thing as beaming, cranking, notching, using chaff and radar effectively, data link, passive lock-on, pitbull, maddogging, turning cold, L maneuvers (at least I call it like that) to force the missile to turn and waste energy especially at low atmospheric altitudes forcing more air drag and finally, no-escape zones (NEZ).
CIG devs are clearly not flight enthusiasts and don't give a damn about anything which is why they need 300 useless reworks instead of having an original yet inspried and confident game design vision regarding this specifically. Same reason why there is a Sabre Firebird variant while the OG Sabre (and Comet subvariant) should have been this kind of missile boat although closer to 12 missiles in total than 24. A stealth fighter has not much use with just 4 BVR missiles except increasing the probability of kill with those by getting closer to the NEZ without getting spotted/engaged. But then again there are also energy shields and armors in this sci-fi universe so hitting anything with just one missile or 50 shots doesn't yield as great of a result and the Sabre can't do bombing, can't launch cruise missiles, can't use drop tanks or anything like that which would make it a lot more relevant.
Therefore 4 missiles (A2A missiles) is really that bad for a stealth fighter. Which is why the 6th gen fighterss manufactures show interest in increasing the internal capacity because external pylons are a problem (drag, reducing acceleration and speed, maneuvrability, fuel consumption and RCS increase obviously) while LM and other manufacturers worked together to invent the Small Diameter (SD) glide bombs such as the GBU-53/B and GBU-39 so internally a F-35 can carry a whopping 8 long distance guided bombs.
he's up to 24 missiles now
It sure is!
She. Ships and vehicles are always referred to as female, never male.
@@SpaceDad42I think I just found one of those huwite boys for Kamala in the wild.
@@SpaceDad42Are you one of those guwite boys for Kamala?
@@SpaceDad42found the one male Harris voter on this site.
Didn’t get a chance to try the firebird, but Ive always admired the first raven. I would love to use this thing in pvp stealthy hit and run bounties & push its limits!
I got a CCU to it and have one from store credits now to further testing when the servers are back to somewhat stable state.
First 2 tests all the missiles did nothing to targets.... bugged =/
Yep. It’s a game within a game to get missiles working right.
It’s cool and it does come in red…. Hmmm I held off on it but you are making it hard to resist haha
Really depends on what you want to do with it... which Sabre do you want?
And yes, which style you prefer.
So, I'm pretty new to Star Citizen (pledged in 2019 and never played really) and I love this frikkin ship already. ILW was a horrible experience for my wallet, not gonna lie. I try and watch every review of this beautiful ship 😂 The giveaway would be rad ^~^
Love your sometimes over 10 min ship reviews. Keep it up😊 personally this ship is scary as it can engage at range where you cannot detect it.
New to the channel! just wanted to say as a guy on low income all the info you provide through these videos is greatly appreciated so i dont waste my money! Great videos though man keep up the good work! Liked and Subbed!
Yeah, I have been testing the Firebird for days. In a fair fight face to face combat it is hopelessly outgunned by most, however using her speed&stealth attacking from the shadow she can take down just about anything especially with the weapon&stealth buff. The Firebird is not designed to fight ‘fair’ TBH if had to name her i would have given it the ‘little viper’ designation.
Really like the Sabre line. All of them are sleek and beautiful ships fingers crossed that I win the giveaway.
I want ship!
It's basically the raven for those who don't have/didn't get the raven, lol
Love the look of it!
This ship is BEAUTIFUL! Im curious how often we will be seeing it out and about in the open
I'm having a blast operating out of one of these.
If it more guns and less missiles, I'd have grabbed it instantly. I love its aesthetics. But man, being able to fire 4 volleys of 6 missiles is tempting given what I've seen.
Thanks for the frank and honest review. Cool ship but doesn’t sound up my alley…………maybe
I refunded my Cutty Red and want to get a fighter. I'm really torn between this and the F7C/A. The F7A actually has less HP, is a little slower, and has the same shields. It has more firepower and is a little more maneuverable. I really like the concept of missile boats and stealth though! Tough decision!
great little ship, has that "Tin Man" feel to it
Awesome video, thanks for the update on the missiles
Its a really cool ship, i like its stealthy look
It really does look like a squished Avenger Titan lol
Nice to see that they buffed this ship.
It’s a very beautiful ship indeed
How are you getting DoF effects :o is it reShade?
No! If you hold F4 and tap the HOME key multiple times it will create a DOF in third person, END key to bring it back.
@@EvenLease44 awesome! Thanks dude
With the buff I was debating grabbing it, looks cool but I can't find a use for the ship with my play style.
Handles so good.
Great video, keep it up 👍
This one is a pass for me. For a extra light fighter, I prefer the Arrow. It is smaller, also very zippy, and I prefer the gun layout. Missiles are "mit or miss" without the hits right now. A single seather ship should not be able to limp away after a light fighter/bomber spent ALL of its paylod on it, while a regular light fighter can light it up in 2-3 passes.
On paper, you get "starter ship" levels of performance, plus a few (currently) not very useful missiles. You have the advantage in speed and signature, but you're also a fragile one trick pony. I know the top PVPers can use this to great effect, but they also used to use the Pisces a few patches back and won 1v10. In my eyes, this the fighter equivalent of a sports cabrio: It can do the basics you'd expect, but it is overpriced and has not real benefit for the average person besides bragging rights. I like the concept, I just don't think the current state of SC lends itself well to a stealth missile fighter. Both stealth and missiles need a fix/rework to be more impactful.
Pretty ship and it flies nice but missiles are a waste and it highlights how broken radar is. In dcs radar and missiles reach out quite a bit farther and thats based on real world capabilities. In space, where theres nothing between your radar and a target we've devolved and lost technology. Radar barely works and my dashboard has no dimmer switch for those dark nights...
CIG needs to consult actual fighter pilots. TheFM can be more basic then DCS but for god’s sake can basic tech like radar be quickly discernible and missiles be more reliable.
I think the Firebird is a cool ship, but it just doesn't feel effective. Especially now that master modes has made ship combat much harder. I've been struggling to do LRTs with it. Sometimes I can barely manage to kill the target and run from the adds, but other times I can throw all 12 missiles and all ~4000 rounds at the target and it doesn't die.
Bring the heat, EL. This is EphemeralSol. See you in evo chat when .2 drops!
Very nice ship, but until missiles are a little more reliable, I'm not getting one.
1:25 the Ground:🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊
Those are heatwaves.
its a cool looking design
with my build i cant be targeted until 1km 1 pip to weapons one pip to thrusters coolers off shields at 1 pip its absolutely disgusting
Not a ship for me but thx for the review!
It's basically an F22
very nice!
hit n runnnnnn
It is a beautiful
Only thing i dont like about it its a little bit slugich to manuver
Why do people (in comments across Star citizen youtube) refer to spaceships as "he" all the time. Aren't ships female?
You're not wrong, but in 2024, they've all transitioned.
In french, ship is translated as "vaisseau", and it's a "male" word.
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Why is everyone spreading so much misinformation about this ship?
First of all, ballistic gatlings are by far the weakest guns now, so I don't understand why you call them "fantastic".
Second, calling it a beast because it has a lot of missiles is kind of misleading, because half the time missiles simply don't work, which means half the time you are pretty useless in this ship.
Third, this ship is NOT stealthier than an Eclipse! With the right tuning you can get your highest sig on the Eclipse down to something like 3500 -40% and roughly 4200 -20% (soon -40%) on the Firebird. If he really couldn't lock you while you could lock him it means he had bad settings and equipment, or most likely a high IR sig cause he somewhat recently used his NAV mode.
Plus with how much faster it dies than the base Sabre once the shields are down, I think spviewer's 15k hull HP are more realistic.
I want to let you know I did not spread any misinformation, ballistics are very viable but also currently experiencing MM balancing just like laser repeaters which also do hardly anything.
Second, I said I spotted the eclipse before he spotted and targeted me. At that moment I WAS stealthier than him, he probably didn’t know operate his modes correctly giving him a higher EM than he should have.
You have to know my reviews are my opinions based off personal experience AND hard stats.
I do love your comment though, as more information for people to see the better!
Not a good idea to base opinions on a product that won’t be finished fir many years to come. Buy based on looks, that is the only thing least likely to change significantly over time.
@@SpaceDad42 Eh, with all the reworks being planned even that's not entirely accurate. I say buy what you want. For me, I base my purchases off what loops I can do right now.
@@EvenLease44
*First,* I am questioning your definition of "fantastic" because based on info on erkul, my own experience and the experience of everyone and their videos except for you, ballistic gatlings are absolutely terrible DPS right now.
*Second,* after saying "I could lock an Eclipse before it could lock me" you followed that up with "that's how stealthy the Firebird is", which implies it is stealthier than an Eclipse, when an Eclipse coming out of quantum is about as stealthy as an F8, the ship notorious for not being able to shake missiles.
I am subscribed to your channel for a reason and opinion is obviously fine, but you presented these points like facts.