@@414PRisky I mean if you play rein you can drop shield and just stand there or you can swing around. There is no point in not swinging the hammer when your not shielding.
@House Mouse Main your first mistake is thinking roles = their title in overwatch, there are plenty supports and tanks that can outdps a large portion of dps characters. Junkerqueen falls flat here cause her toolset is designed around bleed and anti-heal but beyond that she achieves nothing. average dmg, no tankiness or ability to control the enemy positions. What else is there left to do if you cant really influence the flow of the game? The answer is do damage. She's a 6v6 meta tank and even then I dont think I'd pick her over something like a peel/flank roadhog tbh.
@House Mouse Main you sounds like someone completely new to OW lol Assigned role doesn't mean that's how you have to play the game. - Roadhog creates space by being THE damage dealer and fragger with hooks and bursts - Mei has relatively low dps but gets kills through crowd controls and controlling space. - Moira has very little utility as a Support but can deal consistent dps through orbs and unblockable beam of an ult. Junker Queen on release had a very similar role with Hog, being THE damage dealer and fragger of the frontline. But that role is all gone since she got the massive nerf, she's now an off-tank brawler at best.
@House Mouse Main It's funny that you mention Kiriko, bastion, and sombra because those three are useful in many situations and are not special use case. Kiriko is widely regarded already to be one of the best supports in the game rn, and is most definitely not a "very short time" hero. Bastion has extremely consistent dps, with his downfall really being his lack of mobility. Sombra is also extremely good as a dps cause her hack and her emp is some of the best counters to a lot of tanks due to the ability disruption and her tp makes her have great survivability. Genji is good if you know how to play him well due to his great backline dives. Torb is a pretty good close range and long range chip + his turret. Echo is the only one i would say you need high game knowledge cause her ult gains value from you being able to use most other heroes but even then her util itself is very good. Roadhog is a great damage dealer and has insane survivability with self heal, and his hook shoot melee combo for oneshots Mei like skeet says has great crowd control and space control Moira is also not a special use case hero because she has very good heals, just most people don't use it as much. Heros who actually ARE more affected by the situation are Widowmaker and Tracer. Widowmaker being not as effective in close range fights and tracer being useless in long range fights. Even then, you can still find some value using them. And I say more affected because ALL heroes are situational, that's why you are able to switch heroes midgame. I play widow on circuit royale for early picks than i switch to cassidy cause he's easier to find consistent value with after those initial picks. Why? because at the start of the game you start with a long sightline that widow dominates on. you should never need "permission" from your teammates for wanting to play the game how you want. This isn't pro play, this is ladder. There are no stakes other than rank.
@House Mouse Main where your proof for that. I searched it up myself and it said that blizzard specifically said that playing an unpopular character is not enough to get you banned. And even if it was true, if that was the case, overarching is a bad game then if you get banned for playing the game with a character you want to, even though they offer it as an option. If you need permission from your team to play a game how you want, I'm sorry but that's just a bad game
Doomfists charge punch can also cancel ultimates like Moira's and Reapers, so that's some very very slight extra utility. Which is kinda helpful since moira's are pretty common
Big thing I didn't hear you mention about Junkerqueen's kit is you don't need to pull the knife back immediately. If you leave it in the target it will continue to do bleed damage and you will regenerate while that happens. It's a great way to help her last in fights or finish off fleeing targets while you reload.
The bleed from her axe also heals her. That alone gives her at least half a star's worth more in both tankiness and damage, as it does 90 on-hit and 40 over 3 seconds. Still easy to heal over, but a follow-up headshot or two will pick off most heroes anyways.
@@TheUltimoSniper If you get the follow-up headshot for the kill after the axe, the healing stops. I’ve been playing her in TDM to get the arcade challenge and practice her kit, and there I can actually do a ton of self-heal because the enemy team always has at least 2 tanks. In role queue though, it seems a lot harder to get the self heals, because your wound target is either very squishy and dies before you get the full bleed duration, or you got too greedy for that juicy 3-man axe swing and die for it. In my (limited) experience, the bleed healing is really only noticeable on a big Rampage. I think the nerf to commanding shout’s cooldown probably made the bleed heals less effective too, since the overhealth can serve to buy time for the healing to work.
Another thing about her knife pull is that you can perform it while you're in other animations. For example if you toss the knife at someone and it hits, you can then hit her scythe and THEN pull back the knife and the knife pull will drag them into the scythe swing. On a 200HP target this can almost one shot and there isn't really anything they can do about it
Also the fact that his rating her damage at one when she’s literally one of the highest damage tanks. Not to mention he completely lied about how to kill at 200 health
Rein is basically always good in low ranks because players in those ranks usually just brawl it out on point regardless of team comp. Rein just kinda thrives when no team has any proper strategies in play.
It genuinely breaks my heart to see Orisa so low. The entire point of Tank is to survive so you can maintain point, while keeping others off point, and in that she does phenomenally. It doesn't make her selfish because she isn't sharing her shield. She can tank damage and keep people at a range very well. Yes, her Ult BLOWS, but the rest of her kit is literally peak Tank.
I love Orisa’s new kit, but her ultimate needs some serious work, maybe even get a completely new one. I always thought it would be cool if her ultimate placed fortify on every player on your team, that fits with her brawl play-style and would signal to your team to initiate a team fight.
as and OW1 agressive orisa main I find this ult ok...not great...not broken..not as useless as the bongo ...just...a little buff plz... the strategy for me is basically to wait for the end/mid of the fight charge it over 130% and kill everyone with less than 50% life
I didn't play OW1, but playing Orissa in OW2 is what has kept me playing. I didn't expect to have so much fun. Frequently when playing with my friends I'll just burst into laughter from getting a good spear kill, the spear feels so good to hit.
I think Orisa is absolutely amazing and her improvements have helped so much with making her a good tank. The new abilities are really good at tanking damage and defending teammates
Man, the Kiriko at 42:20 performed really good, like totally carried the fight for the enemy team. I wanna be able to do that too, very well done video btw Flats, more of this please.
Honestly DVA is still one of the best tanks IMO. I genuinely love her. About 70% of damage usually comes from projectiles. Being bale to block that is really really nice. Plus she is fast and can escape because of her booster packs. Love her tbh
One thing you missed that adds to the power of Self Destruct is just how effective it is as a zoning tool. Even if you don’t get kills with bombs, it will at least force the enemies to react to it and potentially go out of a good position.
As someone who never played Overwatch before today, I fell in love with D. Va's mobility mixed with firepower as soon as I unlocked her. I'm willing to maybe give Winston a go, but for now, she's my main tank for sure. Getting the play of the game for the first time (with her) was so exciting. I've been able to go on SO many Killing sprees, and I haven't even played 30 matches yet!
As someone who's been playing almost since launch, I'm happy to see new players taking an interest, but It's kinda weird for me to hear about unlocking heroes lol
I don't even know why but for the first day Junkerqueen felt so dominant in all the games. When you spell out her abilities like in the video she seems lackluster, but whenever I played against her she just seemed unkillable and did much damage, the same goes with Roadhog. Nearly every game was against a JQ or a Roadhog and everytime both supports just stuck to them and we couldn't kill them if they didn't fuck up or the whole team was focusing on them.
Gotta remember that all her DoT bleeds give her healing back. Everytime she hits you with her knife [direct, or it passing through you as it returns, her axe attack, her melee, her ult], she's healing. When she jumps into your team and is bleeding everyone, even if her damage is lackluster, the lack of focus can easily let her sustain herself.
Junker Queen feels so nice to play as well. There is something special about throwing your knife at the enemy support, pulling them in the air to put them down point blank, finishing them with the axe in case they survive the shot to then finally unleash your warcry to boost yourself and your enemies as your assault commences. kinda smooth i dont know. :D
It's nice to hear about the Reinhardt earth shatter nerf. I didn't know about this and was playing Reinhardt today and completely missed a pin because the Reaper got up early. I literally said to my team the Shatter must have gotten shortened, because I knew I should have had just another moment longer to be able to connect the pin. But he got away clean and then wiped my team.
For sigma's movement potential, his ult lets him reposition as well as recover if knocked into an environmental hazard, and you can use rock as a pseudo-rocketjump.
this might not be incredibly helpful for lower tiers, these kinds of things usually dont work for both ends. last i played ow during season 10 ish i was at 2999 rating. (idk where im now but i dont see a skill/mechanical drop compared to back then) and ive seen many queens and orisas just destroy the enemy team. i honestly thought they were op because of how many games they dominated.
@@KsanUwU oh I totally agree on that variation/unpredictability, especially with a developing meta. I think the real value is watching someone really walk through characters and you get to witness his thoughts. It's like an in-depth tutorial almost. Though a lot of it is personal conjecture, I think even listening to someone's mindset like that can help us reflect and grow as players. It can help guide us towards what to pay attention to and the potential drawbacks of certain playstyles
@@bloodreaper16 totally, just gotta count in their experiences to avoid other simple mistakes. Like flats comes from a level of play where people communicate properly, that alone means that his strengths wont work for bronze tier in most cases etc. ^^
@@KsanUwU you're right again :) I think I actually started using comms more and trying to replicate streamers/creators when I saw how effective it was though. I think having that visual can be an aid. I will double underline the "your results may vary" component of your points though - it's hard to see that level of play and expect everyone at your level to act that way. JQ is one of my favorite tanks and I can tell people in qp do not expect her to be up in their face as much as she is
Orisas javelin is not only a push back stun, it cancels a lot of abilities and ults which is rly good. I mean u can block the rein charging in or canceling stigmas ult and other stuff
I think an important detail about zarya (that ive noticed as a support player) is not knowing for sure when she has a personal bubble available. if she used personal in OW1, it was a reliable callout. Now it takes a lot more effort to be sure of the cooldown status
something else about Zarya i like to do, right clicking in front of a Rein that's chasing you down as you back away. it keeps him from getting in hammer range and allows you to get out safely sometimes.
One thing I noticed with orisa is that you can cancel your javelin spin instantly with a javelin throw, and if you are already pushing an enemy forward with the spin, the javelin always hits and seems to carry them backwards even further than normal, making the wall pin combo easier to land
I'm not normally a tank player so trying it out in ow2 has been a lot to take in, and all of my knowledge of the characters is outdated. This helps a ton! I'd be interested to see more vids like this too!
@@Statsmat you not played junkerqueen? Ball is fantastic but you need to be VERY good at his mechanics, but junkerqueen needs you to be good and is made useless because roadhog exists
@@gregnog8119 my mechanics are pretty good I have been consistently like 3900 on ball for a while but idk this is the weakest hes been since launch imo
It makes me extremely happy to see cringelord doomfist mains in shambles. I guess go play junkrat or roadhog if you want some braindead 1-hit kill heroes? Or learn how to aim and play Widow. Idk.
@@MrCholoPants3415 ah yes, widow. the hardest hero in the entire game. unless youve played her for more than an hour. then its just a free headshot gallery since theres a good chance you and your enemies dont have any shields!
@@ADoomain I'm a tank and ana main, I don't like hitscan. The issue with doomfist is that he was a broken one-shot hero who could literally freely kill supports with his ult, fly from the sky out of sight by abusing easy to learn "techs" and one shot every hero in the game or 3 shot tanks in the span of 2 seconds. It was unfun to play against for anyone who wasn't a little bitch Doom main. Cope. Doom is a lame tank now and you'll NEVER get the old Doomfist back. SEETHE.
This was so informative. Since starting overwatch 2, there have been so many tanks like Rein, Orisa, doom, and sigma that I just couldn't grasp, forcing me to stick to the tanks that I already knew and understood. This video helped me so much in filling out my overall knowledge of the ow2 tank roster and I can't wait to use this knowledge to improve my counter picking capabilities and overall gameplay performance.
Thanks for the content Flats! Different from your usual free-form vids but I like how much organized info you’re able to give in these scripted type videos
Thats what I was looking for! I'm not much of a tank player. I love support (I'm an anxiety ridden person, using my talents to play better as a healer lol) Shame there isn't a video out.
This video is on tanks because Flats is a top-level tank player. He probably does not have the understanding and experience required to talk nearly as accurately about healers and damage.
One tip for Orisa's ult is to either combo it with other ults such as death blossom. If there aren't any ults available to combo it with DON'T panic press the use button, if you keep charging her ult all the way to the end people often don't expect it and walk into the radius while you're still charging the ult. It's also a great way to create some space.
This whole video was so well written and conducted, I couldn't help myself to just keep watching the entire thing on one go. I had plans to clean the house but it all went down the drain with your video. Keep up the quality content, Flats. Stay awesome.
I love your recent scripted content. It's so good. It's all your typical on-the-fly good stuff condensed into a really clear and fun package. I know how much work this stuff is, so massive respect for taking the time to do it.
Maybe doomfist could have super armour on his punch, immune to CC until taking a certain amount of damage during punch. It would bring back some of that fighting game inspiration
@@madmaxv161 There is though. They only really removed Mei's freeze and Cassidy's flash. What other hard CC did they remove? Ana has sleep and they even gave Junk his old trap back. Most of the tanks have CC, and pretty much everyone who had "soft CC"" still has it (Pharah concussive, Lucio boop, Ashe coach gun, etc.).
@@madmaxv161 yeah idk what you're talking about I get ccd all the time. Cc is the most boring aspect of a game anyway. It's horrible game design but it's needed.
What if doom's punch functioned a bit like flux, where it scaled based on the healthpool of the enemy? That might give him some of his damage back without making him oppressive vs. squishies.
Thank you for this video. After about a week of debating before OW 2 came out, I decided to become a tank player. I just can't ever seem to get shit done with dps or support. But in most cases, I can switch around tanks to get the W. Doesn't always work, but so far in OW 2, NONE of my tank games have been steam rolls. Every loss has been extremely close
I think doom's ult should have either more of a radius or two charges, one to see where people are and then you can slam again to actually achieve higher damage
Overall Rankings: Queen 2.5, Doom 2.25, Rein 3.3, Zarya, 3.25, Orisa 2.5, Sigma 3.75, Ball 3.2, Winston 3.75, Dva 4.5, Hog 3 I'd say Doom should gain shields after Power Block ends (not finishes) as with how The Best Defense works, he needs to be able to deal ability damage to sustain himself and that can be hard when his own ability damage is reliant him taking damage directly, leaving him vulnerable the entire time he tries to deal damage. As for Zarya, I really think the bubbles needed to be handled a different way, at the least having the charges be separate cds.
This was fantastic! I've never been a big competitive person, but In OW2 Im planning to be more into it because i like the comp changes. This video was really helpful for me because I had no idea what the current meta is. I especially like the part about good tank picks to counter the meta, I feel like that will probably be the most useful lol.
After trying really hard to figure out how to use Orisa’s ult to actually get kills, I’ve decided that it’s best used as a really long-cooldown Halt or as minor area denial + second Fortify to buy time for getting other cooldowns back. It is nice to still have an option to pull enemies down from high ground or into a dragonstrike or something.
Flats, I loved this style of content! You’ve inspired me to give streaming OW tank a try! Please consider doing this for support and damage! Keep it up bro bro!!
This tank one was hard enough as he said at the end, and he mains tank. He COULD do DPS or support, but he mains tank, so it would not be as refined Also, there are A LOT of DPS heroes. BUT, Yes I would LOVE to see that.
I would really love to see you breakdown the other roles, even though they're not your roles, I know, you're the Tank Man. I just really like your scripting and tone, and your breakdown method is really balanced and sensible. Maybe collab with friends who role queue the others?
You can still do a shitload of damage against stuff like monkey and ball it's not bad tbh. I would maybe up the amount of times you can swing the axe so she can do more when she gets close.
@@caltroop848 It does a lot of trash damage, I had the dagger fly through like 4 people and an axe swing through 2 people and got quite a bit of dmg dealt, but they're all trash damage a single moira left click can handle.
This video was recommended to me because i was watching overwatch shorts and i play tanks in other games, but I don't play overwatch. I watched it. Very impressed with your overall presentation. Really good video and analysis that I am sure will help players looking for the info. Keep it up!
Would love to see a faster axe swing on Carnage, a 12-second CD on JQ's Shout, and a bit more damage. Ideally, though, I'd also like to see her bleeds double as a necrotic (healing-blocking/absorbing, up to an amount equal to remaining damage to be dealt), and for that to replace the hard anti-heal on Rampage, with Rampage's charge cost being decreased.
i would absolutely love to hear more guides/strategies from you on how to play the tanks more. Even just the Shield usage tip with rein made me feel like im getting a lot more significant use with him in matches; would love anything else you could give us
I think Orisa's E gives more movement than you give her credit for. While it does only speed you up when moving forward you can, hear me out, turn towards where you need to go. Many times able to just barely get behind some cover with the little extra speed boost to get away from a DVA ult or more often then not realize you have over-extended and dip out. Also gives her a great way to engage her ultimate, which I think is way more useful than you give it credit for. Surely, better than Doomfists at least.
Rein just needs a self commanding shout that doesn't boost his teammates to give him the health and speed to get to someone. Or a passive of hammer momentum where swinging makes you faster since, you know, "rocket hammer"
Exactly.. But junker queen got that from torb only diff is hers goes to the full team or whoever is near im sure... speed and health boost for how ever long....torb just boost hisself no one else
Good video, I'd suggest going less from a script in the future though. You can tell that your reading down a list, and it's different from your normal chill and authentic flow. We all enjoy hearing your rables, that why we watch you review dice sandwiches and houses on the Market. I'd say just use a few jey prompts to stay on track but getting your authentic and logical reasoning is what I have always enjoyed. Keep it up.
give Junker Queen a 5% damage reduction on top of self healing for each enemy wounded and I think survivability will be boosted a lot and would actually be worth E'ing multiple targets and knifing the ground to get multiple wounds
I'm a tank and doom main, but i've had to stop main-ing doom for a while to rank up in tank, because he was just so horrible. I'd deal a crap ton of damage and get barely any kills, getting called "Tank diff." I'm kinda glad they've buffed him now, but ranking up is still kinda hard with him.
This was a brilliant video, and everything I needed to know as a Tank main. I hope you don't feel forced to do another, unless you want to! If so; this was great!
I loved this video! Great work on scripting and editing. Love the excitement and love of the game. I'd love to have a montage of Flats dying to Emongg Sigma-ulting Cassidys that pop High Noon.
Man i love this video. was just watching it to remember the fun times as a tank. it hurts to see how badly this video aged with season 9. RIP Reinhardt and Hog
Yes and no, if they change it then your only cleansing like ana nade and Cass nade. If they want to change it to specifically not counter all the stuns then imo it shouldn't cleanse stuns or from ultimates like shatter or orisa ult that pulls you in. Yes you can make it that they are shortly invulnerable but then dont make it so they stand up.
@@typervader I mean, people are going to focus on a character who is hyper-overpowered in everything she's supposed to be able to do. She has great healing, cleanses, tons of mobility, a broken team ultimate for support and insane crit damage on her kunai headshots that's not much different to aim than a Zenyatta ball. No shit people are going to keep talking about what she brings, she's the best support carry OW has ever had and is going to be all over the scene at all levels. Not planning for her interactions would be incredibly stupid.
I absolutely love orb of discording a juicy Reinhardt or Roadhog and jus dinking their heads as Zen from height or distance, the panic as they realize they’re squishy to my orbs is amazing
Not contesting the four stars for Sigma’s fun, but I will say my love of playing Sigma literally carried me through some of the shittiest ow1 times and always brought me back, even after swearing the game off for good. Sigma has such a thematic kit, powerful voice lines, cool lore. The details they put into his audio design is next level.
Thanks for your efforts here, I think chapters for the different characters would have been a great addition to be able to skip to sections people find more value from. Love your content! Would love to see a dva rein or zarya how to guide from you 😎✊🏽
Bro, if you want a Rein how-to guide, just watch Flats play. He's literally insane at the hero. He talks all the time about learning to look for cues from enemy players, where the best places to position are, when is a good time to be aggressive, etc. His channel is full of him watching other players and pointing out their mistakes as well. Rate my Rein, Spectating Bronze, and the old "Rein God watches Gold Rein player on Gibraltar" will have a ton of advice.
@@MrZebanHai Thanks for the tips, I do not have much time to watch streams, but do watch all the YT videos he posts and have learnt things in between with tips on the fly.
While I agree that Orisa's ult isn't very good alone, my friend has played her a lot over the last week, and I've been playing Reaper. At least once every two games or so we get that TerraBlossom/DeathSurge combo and it's one of the best feelings I've found in OW2
It’s funny cause Flats got what he wanted lmfao. Roadhog is ASS now thanks to the hook-shoot one shot nerf. Now he’s downright terrible to play as. This didn’t age well.
I'm an Orisa player, and Orisa without the shield is amazing! You can use the javelin spin to knock players back, block damage, or pushing players off the map, catch up to a player who is low hp and pick them off, or charging a player into a corner and singling them off so you can pick them off. the javelin throw is amazing as well, you can use it to pick off low hp opponents and healers and becomes a huge game changer if you have amazing aim for headshots. And if you get out of position and low hp, you can use your self shield to survive for a little longer till a healer helps you, and you can use javelin spin to block shots, and javelin through to push enemies off you. It's been so fun and surprisingly I do a lot of damage, and the ultimate Is useless if you don't use it before 100%, the javelin immediately pulls in enemies, but at 50% enemies can start to move away and get outside the damage circle.
Some love for the queen would be nice, she just doesn't have a enough. She's still playable for someone that really knows her, but she's flat out weakest in all measures. I have been testing her and tweaking her in custom to see what she would need, here's my thoughts. Her shotgun is quite healthy, infact as far as damage output goes, she's decent. 2.4-8 per pellet. However, as far as min-max range goes, her kit doesn't not allow her to be effective unless utilizing corners and letting the fight come to her. Which is the intention behind her knife toss, because she severely struggles at 20+ meter fights, she can't be an effective tank for her teammates, nor is she able to if it's anything but close quarters. She could have a reduced fire rate for the exchange of higher damage at max range, 2.4 > 3.2 making it 10 pellets = 32 damage. Otherwise, every shot she takes at max range is just support ult charge with no realistic chance of killing anything with a support nearby. As for her Jagged blade, I think it's great and balanced. Tossing your knife deals 80 + bleed, then shooting the airborn target is usually 60~ ish, which combined with a quick melee usually does the trick. It takes practice but can kill low health targets effectively. And, if it still wasn't enough a final charged melee will do the trick. Conclusion, Jagged blade is in a good spot. Commanding shout needs a revamp or an addition, it's essentially her whole gameplay. She can play 1/4 of the match, it's up for 5 seconds and on cooldown for 15 seconds. My suggestion, is add an additional mechanic during commanding shouts downtime. For the 5 seconds let her duplicate/store up bleed healing which takes in effect after the bonus health runs out as over time healing, and is evenly distributed to her and nearby teammates. This will incentivize her to brawl more and utilize her whole kit, rather than her shotgun. Carnage should be a 2 in 1 ability, with the option to click it once for the fully charged normal ability. And, option 2 double tap the ability to half cast time (0.5sec instead of 1sec) and make it two weaker sweeps, this is intended to allow her to crowd brawl better, and apply more wounds. Rampage is an interesting yet appealing ability. I think it's actually strong as is. But, if I could tweak it, I actually would like to see her charge time be significantly reduced to the point of her being able to cast it 3 times as much, and nerf the ability as a whole as well, the intention being to just create more fluid gameplay for her. If she is gonna be a corner hugging tank then this would make it feel more at home. It goes without saying, I am not suggesting all these changes at once, but rather how I feel about her kit and what I would like to see for each part of it.
PLEASE MAKE AN UPDATED ONE honestly- I’d love for a series where you cover 1-3 characters, and you put the month in the title, so if a significant change happens, you can make a new one that’s easy to find, maybe make a playlist too
Junkerqueen 00:50
Doomfist 05:26
Reinhardt 10:00
Zarya 16:26
Orisa 19:57
Sigma 24:02
Wrecking Ball 27:10
Winston 30:45
D.Va 35:10
Roadhog 40:06
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“Its not about winning, its about psychological warfare” - Flats quote of 2022😂😂
Facts I main sombra and when u get into the tanks heads they literally start doing lil wierd stuff like swinging when I’m no where near around
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@@lauens 8:32
When you solo shatter Rein to flex you got ult first
@@414PRisky I mean if you play rein you can drop shield and just stand there or you can swing around. There is no point in not swinging the hammer when your not shielding.
JunkerQueen 100% feels like she was designed to be an off tank.
@House Mouse Main The way you phrased your comment makes me think you're the actual junkerqueen and he's personally offended you
@House Mouse Main your first mistake is thinking roles = their title in overwatch, there are plenty supports and tanks that can outdps a large portion of dps characters. Junkerqueen falls flat here cause her toolset is designed around bleed and anti-heal but beyond that she achieves nothing. average dmg, no tankiness or ability to control the enemy positions. What else is there left to do if you cant really influence the flow of the game? The answer is do damage. She's a 6v6 meta tank and even then I dont think I'd pick her over something like a peel/flank roadhog tbh.
@House Mouse Main you sounds like someone completely new to OW lol
Assigned role doesn't mean that's how you have to play the game.
- Roadhog creates space by being THE damage dealer and fragger with hooks and bursts
- Mei has relatively low dps but gets kills through crowd controls and controlling space.
- Moira has very little utility as a Support but can deal consistent dps through orbs and unblockable beam of an ult.
Junker Queen on release had a very similar role with Hog, being THE damage dealer and fragger of the frontline. But that role is all gone since she got the massive nerf, she's now an off-tank brawler at best.
@House Mouse Main It's funny that you mention Kiriko, bastion, and sombra because those three are useful in many situations and are not special use case.
Kiriko is widely regarded already to be one of the best supports in the game rn, and is most definitely not a "very short time" hero.
Bastion has extremely consistent dps, with his downfall really being his lack of mobility.
Sombra is also extremely good as a dps cause her hack and her emp is some of the best counters to a lot of tanks due to the ability disruption and her tp makes her have great survivability.
Genji is good if you know how to play him well due to his great backline dives.
Torb is a pretty good close range and long range chip + his turret.
Echo is the only one i would say you need high game knowledge cause her ult gains value from you being able to use most other heroes but even then her util itself is very good.
Roadhog is a great damage dealer and has insane survivability with self heal, and his hook shoot melee combo for oneshots
Mei like skeet says has great crowd control and space control
Moira is also not a special use case hero because she has very good heals, just most people don't use it as much.
Heros who actually ARE more affected by the situation are Widowmaker and Tracer. Widowmaker being not as effective in close range fights and tracer being useless in long range fights. Even then, you can still find some value using them.
And I say more affected because ALL heroes are situational, that's why you are able to switch heroes midgame. I play widow on circuit royale for early picks than i switch to cassidy cause he's easier to find consistent value with after those initial picks. Why? because at the start of the game you start with a long sightline that widow dominates on.
you should never need "permission" from your teammates for wanting to play the game how you want. This isn't pro play, this is ladder. There are no stakes other than rank.
@House Mouse Main where your proof for that. I searched it up myself and it said that blizzard specifically said that playing an unpopular character is not enough to get you banned.
And even if it was true, if that was the case, overarching is a bad game then if you get banned for playing the game with a character you want to, even though they offer it as an option.
If you need permission from your team to play a game how you want, I'm sorry but that's just a bad game
Doomfists charge punch can also cancel ultimates like Moira's and Reapers, so that's some very very slight extra utility. Which is kinda helpful since moira's are pretty common
Just had this happen to me in a game and i didn’t know doom could do that. I was confused for a sec lmao
I remember killing a Reaper mid ultimate, it was really satisfying because the guy was bring a prick all match
Yes, but there is also hog... who can do the same....but better
Flats don't know how to play doomfist.
He can also candles Hogs heals and Mercys revive
Big thing I didn't hear you mention about Junkerqueen's kit is you don't need to pull the knife back immediately. If you leave it in the target it will continue to do bleed damage and you will regenerate while that happens. It's a great way to help her last in fights or finish off fleeing targets while you reload.
The bleed from her axe also heals her. That alone gives her at least half a star's worth more in both tankiness and damage, as it does 90 on-hit and 40 over 3 seconds. Still easy to heal over, but a follow-up headshot or two will pick off most heroes anyways.
@@TheUltimoSniper If you get the follow-up headshot for the kill after the axe, the healing stops. I’ve been playing her in TDM to get the arcade challenge and practice her kit, and there I can actually do a ton of self-heal because the enemy team always has at least 2 tanks. In role queue though, it seems a lot harder to get the self heals, because your wound target is either very squishy and dies before you get the full bleed duration, or you got too greedy for that juicy 3-man axe swing and die for it. In my (limited) experience, the bleed healing is really only noticeable on a big Rampage.
I think the nerf to commanding shout’s cooldown probably made the bleed heals less effective too, since the overhealth can serve to buy time for the healing to work.
Just so you know, leaving the knife in doesn't cause any more bleed than if you immediately rip it out, I tested this yesterday.
Another thing about her knife pull is that you can perform it while you're in other animations.
For example if you toss the knife at someone and it hits, you can then hit her scythe and THEN pull back the knife and the knife pull will drag them into the scythe swing.
On a 200HP target this can almost one shot and there isn't really anything they can do about it
Also the fact that his rating her damage at one when she’s literally one of the highest damage tanks.
Not to mention he completely lied about how to kill at 200 health
First Step: Being able to log in to play the game.
Its really easy to log in now 😊
I’m on Xbox.. still haven’t been able to see the main menu
Second Step: Actually getting your progress instead of being treated like a new account!
Third step: Hope you don’t get dc every second game
@@kiddo4921 I can’t change my battle net region
Rein feels crazy good right now at low levels, especially when paired with kiriko and/or lucio
I'm a rein main in gold, but going against other reins without a second tank, with a Lucio and kiriko at my back, feels great
Rein is basically always good in low ranks because players in those ranks usually just brawl it out on point regardless of team comp. Rein just kinda thrives when no team has any proper strategies in play.
@@corbentimms9443 the amt of swings you can get in with a kiriko ult is nuts
I played Rein. Can confirm that no speed boosts (Had Ana/Mercy) feels like trying to chase down a bunch of hyperactive cats.
@@corbentimms9443 trust me it won't feel great going against me
Ranking
35:10 DVA - 4,5 stars
30:45 Winston - 4 stars
24:02 Sigma - 3,75 stars
10:00 Reinhardt - 3,25 stars
16:26 Zarya - 3,25 stars
27:10 Wrecking Ball 3,1 stars
40:06 Roadhog 3 stars
19:57 Orisa - 2,5 stars
0:50 Junkerqueen - 2,5 stars
5:26 Doomfist - 2,25 stars
It genuinely breaks my heart to see Orisa so low. The entire point of Tank is to survive so you can maintain point, while keeping others off point, and in that she does phenomenally. It doesn't make her selfish because she isn't sharing her shield. She can tank damage and keep people at a range very well. Yes, her Ult BLOWS, but the rest of her kit is literally peak Tank.
@@dadecalder7796 bronze 5 take
@@MaverickOW2 plat take
We just gotta keep in mind hog is a 4 in disguise and is only this low because he doesn't have any mobility and utility.
@@Soundwave1900 Hot Take: when kiriko comes to comp hogs gonna be high B low A
I love Orisa’s new kit, but her ultimate needs some serious work, maybe even get a completely new one. I always thought it would be cool if her ultimate placed fortify on every player on your team, that fits with her brawl play-style and would signal to your team to initiate a team fight.
too op, fortify's damage mitigation/cancellation is the same as nanoboost without the damage boost
Lucio ult but better
as and OW1 agressive orisa main I find this ult ok...not great...not broken..not as useless as the bongo ...just...a little buff plz... the strategy for me is basically to wait for the end/mid of the fight charge it over 130% and kill everyone with less than 50% life
A 40% damage resistance and immunity to headshots and ccs for your whole team seems incredibly busted
It goes thru shields now
I didn't play OW1, but playing Orissa in OW2 is what has kept me playing. I didn't expect to have so much fun. Frequently when playing with my friends I'll just burst into laughter from getting a good spear kill, the spear feels so good to hit.
been playing Orissa in OW1, but not in OW2. However i can say the same thing about having fun but on Junkerqueen and getting knife kills
Autism be like
@@panthekirb7561 whatever man
@@Raptuure Not talking to you
@@panthekirb7561 whatever man
I think Orisa is absolutely amazing and her improvements have helped so much with making her a good tank. The new abilities are really good at tanking damage and defending teammates
She's broken. She can now 3v1.
True, and her kit is pretty easy to get a hold of as a newbie. She can go a full game with only two or three deaths as long as the support is good.
I dread playing against an orisa now 😭
orisas everywhere 😭😭
I want my reinhardt back orisa fucking broken no fear to rush a fckin rein
SCRIPTED GUIDE CONTENT LETS GO
tommorow
Yo actually KarQ? Hewwo :)
Man, the Kiriko at 42:20 performed really good, like totally carried the fight for the enemy team. I wanna be able to do that too, very well done video btw Flats, more of this please.
that's eskay, she's a prolific lucio player
Honestly DVA is still one of the best tanks IMO.
I genuinely love her.
About 70% of damage usually comes from projectiles. Being bale to block that is really really nice.
Plus she is fast and can escape because of her booster packs.
Love her tbh
All that plus styling on fools with baby DVa is pretty tasty
Dva players are legit the most annoying players ever. Her ult is absolutely busted and shouldn't ever earn play of the game
@@MainelyPressureWashing do you say the same for junk tire?
@@MainelyPressureWashingblock los and stop crying, its really not that hard
@AntZ3z1 her ultimate is incredibly easy to counter. Any shield can do it, and breaking line of sight is also real easy most of the time.
One thing you missed that adds to the power of Self Destruct is just how effective it is as a zoning tool. Even if you don’t get kills with bombs, it will at least force the enemies to react to it and potentially go out of a good position.
As someone who never played Overwatch before today, I fell in love with D. Va's mobility mixed with firepower as soon as I unlocked her. I'm willing to maybe give Winston a go, but for now, she's my main tank for sure. Getting the play of the game for the first time (with her) was so exciting. I've been able to go on SO many Killing sprees, and I haven't even played 30 matches yet!
Just wait until you unlock hamtaro the GOAT 😮
Yeah same
As someone who's been playing almost since launch, I'm happy to see new players taking an interest, but It's kinda weird for me to hear about unlocking heroes lol
I'm seriously curious on new players experience, do you think the game is overwhelming? Did unlocking characters help you learning it bit by bit?
@@Xdot15 nah sigma is the GOAT
I don't even know why but for the first day Junkerqueen felt so dominant in all the games. When you spell out her abilities like in the video she seems lackluster, but whenever I played against her she just seemed unkillable and did much damage, the same goes with Roadhog. Nearly every game was against a JQ or a Roadhog and everytime both supports just stuck to them and we couldn't kill them if they didn't fuck up or the whole team was focusing on them.
I agree as well when he described her I was shocked cuz even other creators said other wise
Gotta remember that all her DoT bleeds give her healing back. Everytime she hits you with her knife [direct, or it passing through you as it returns, her axe attack, her melee, her ult], she's healing. When she jumps into your team and is bleeding everyone, even if her damage is lackluster, the lack of focus can easily let her sustain herself.
Hog and JQ both live and literally die by the focus fire. If you don't focus them down/counter them they are a damn menace.
Because she is a tank with a healer hitbox
Junker Queen feels so nice to play as well. There is something special about throwing your knife at the enemy support, pulling them in the air to put them down point blank, finishing them with the axe in case they survive the shot to then finally unleash your warcry to boost yourself and your enemies as your assault commences. kinda smooth i dont know. :D
It's nice to hear about the Reinhardt earth shatter nerf. I didn't know about this and was playing Reinhardt today and completely missed a pin because the Reaper got up early. I literally said to my team the Shatter must have gotten shortened, because I knew I should have had just another moment longer to be able to connect the pin. But he got away clean and then wiped my team.
Thanks!
For sigma's movement potential, his ult lets him reposition as well as recover if knocked into an environmental hazard, and you can use rock as a pseudo-rocketjump.
I know you said you'd never do this again, but this IMMEASURABLY helpful to newer folks and low/mid level players - thank you so so much for this
this might not be incredibly helpful for lower tiers, these kinds of things usually dont work for both ends. last i played ow during season 10 ish i was at 2999 rating. (idk where im now but i dont see a skill/mechanical drop compared to back then) and ive seen many queens and orisas just destroy the enemy team. i honestly thought they were op because of how many games they dominated.
@@KsanUwU oh I totally agree on that variation/unpredictability, especially with a developing meta. I think the real value is watching someone really walk through characters and you get to witness his thoughts. It's like an in-depth tutorial almost.
Though a lot of it is personal conjecture, I think even listening to someone's mindset like that can help us reflect and grow as players. It can help guide us towards what to pay attention to and the potential drawbacks of certain playstyles
@@bloodreaper16 totally, just gotta count in their experiences to avoid other simple mistakes. Like flats comes from a level of play where people communicate properly, that alone means that his strengths wont work for bronze tier in most cases etc. ^^
@@KsanUwU you're right again :) I think I actually started using comms more and trying to replicate streamers/creators when I saw how effective it was though. I think having that visual can be an aid. I will double underline the "your results may vary" component of your points though - it's hard to see that level of play and expect everyone at your level to act that way.
JQ is one of my favorite tanks and I can tell people in qp do not expect her to be up in their face as much as she is
Orisas javelin is not only a push back stun, it cancels a lot of abilities and ults which is rly good. I mean u can block the rein charging in or canceling stigmas ult and other stuff
I think an important detail about zarya (that ive noticed as a support player) is not knowing for sure when she has a personal bubble available. if she used personal in OW1, it was a reliable callout. Now it takes a lot more effort to be sure of the cooldown status
Yeah I was a zarya main in OW1 and I’ve caught myself getting mixed up with my cooldown with my bubble, it is a slight learning curve
something else about Zarya i like to do, right clicking in front of a Rein that's chasing you down as you back away. it keeps him from getting in hammer range and allows you to get out safely sometimes.
One thing I noticed with orisa is that you can cancel your javelin spin instantly with a javelin throw, and if you are already pushing an enemy forward with the spin, the javelin always hits and seems to carry them backwards even further than normal, making the wall pin combo easier to land
Do you find her useful? I used to main her but I don’t like how they removed the shield
@@anthonyvallejo2657 so far she's probably been my best character, she's really good at picking off single targets and helping the team push forward
Yep, it's insane how useful that thing is with such a short cooldown. It's like a slightly weaker but much more constant Sigma rock.
As someone who didn't play any of the betas and who didn't know all the tank changes this was very helpful, thank you Flats
I'm not normally a tank player so trying it out in ow2 has been a lot to take in, and all of my knowledge of the characters is outdated. This helps a ton! I'd be interested to see more vids like this too!
This knowledge is pretty terrible. I didn’t watch most of it but he kept saying how great ball is even though he’s probably the worst tank rn
@@Statsmat you not played junkerqueen? Ball is fantastic but you need to be VERY good at his mechanics, but junkerqueen needs you to be good and is made useless because roadhog exists
@@gregnog8119 my mechanics are pretty good I have been consistently like 3900 on ball for a while but idk this is the weakest hes been since launch imo
You’re probably the DPS widow we all dread as our teammate 😂
@@Statsmat
Ball is not bad. Ball was always good in 5v5.
as a doomfist main, my sadness is immeasurable, and there isn't even an uppercut left to raise my spirits...
I feel you brother
It makes me extremely happy to see cringelord doomfist mains in shambles. I guess go play junkrat or roadhog if you want some braindead 1-hit kill heroes? Or learn how to aim and play Widow. Idk.
@@MrCholoPants3415 when ur only definition of skill is aim
Avg hitscan main, play the game like its CoD because its easy
@@MrCholoPants3415 ah yes, widow. the hardest hero in the entire game. unless youve played her for more than an hour. then its just a free headshot gallery since theres a good chance you and your enemies dont have any shields!
@@ADoomain I'm a tank and ana main, I don't like hitscan. The issue with doomfist is that he was a broken one-shot hero who could literally freely kill supports with his ult, fly from the sky out of sight by abusing easy to learn "techs" and one shot every hero in the game or 3 shot tanks in the span of 2 seconds. It was unfun to play against for anyone who wasn't a little bitch Doom main.
Cope. Doom is a lame tank now and you'll NEVER get the old Doomfist back. SEETHE.
This was so informative. Since starting overwatch 2, there have been so many tanks like Rein, Orisa, doom, and sigma that I just couldn't grasp, forcing me to stick to the tanks that I already knew and understood. This video helped me so much in filling out my overall knowledge of the ow2 tank roster and I can't wait to use this knowledge to improve my counter picking capabilities and overall gameplay performance.
Honestly, I don’t know how I feel about a lot of the tanks basically becoming DPS with a bigger health bar.
For someone who's never played the first game and loves the tank role, your video is extremely well put together and insightful. Nicely done!
Thanks for the content Flats! Different from your usual free-form vids but I like how much organized info you’re able to give in these scripted type videos
I would love to see this be done for Support and DPS as well! This makes me want to try out Orisa more when I never gave them any thought before
Thats what I was looking for! I'm not much of a tank player. I love support (I'm an anxiety ridden person, using my talents to play better as a healer lol) Shame there isn't a video out.
The DPS video will be 4 hours long hahaha
This video is on tanks because Flats is a top-level tank player. He probably does not have the understanding and experience required to talk nearly as accurately about healers and damage.
You’re gonna have to look at someone else for that unfortunately since Flats a Tank player mostly.
@@funnynamelol3156 he said at the end of the video that he's considering doing videos on those two roles if there's enough demand
One tip for Orisa's ult is to either combo it with other ults such as death blossom.
If there aren't any ults available to combo it with DON'T panic press the use button, if you keep charging her ult all the way to the end people often don't expect it and walk into the radius while you're still charging the ult. It's also a great way to create some space.
This whole video was so well written and conducted, I couldn't help myself to just keep watching the entire thing on one go. I had plans to clean the house but it all went down the drain with your video. Keep up the quality content, Flats. Stay awesome.
this would be great if done every season, it doesn't have to be as elaborate but seeing the star categories really helps and super insightful!
I love your recent scripted content. It's so good. It's all your typical on-the-fly good stuff condensed into a really clear and fun package. I know how much work this stuff is, so massive respect for taking the time to do it.
Maybe doomfist could have super armour on his punch, immune to CC until taking a certain amount of damage during punch. It would bring back some of that fighting game inspiration
Oo like a dp
There is no cc in this game anymore lol
@@madmaxv161 There is though. They only really removed Mei's freeze and Cassidy's flash. What other hard CC did they remove? Ana has sleep and they even gave Junk his old trap back. Most of the tanks have CC, and pretty much everyone who had "soft CC"" still has it (Pharah concussive, Lucio boop, Ashe coach gun, etc.).
@@madmaxv161 yeah idk what you're talking about I get ccd all the time. Cc is the most boring aspect of a game anyway. It's horrible game design but it's needed.
What if doom's punch functioned a bit like flux, where it scaled based on the healthpool of the enemy? That might give him some of his damage back without making him oppressive vs. squishies.
“Orisa’s ult doesn’t do much”
These are the words of a man that has never been Stimmed and pocketed prior to pulling off a pentakill
The man just seems clueless to be honest.
Flats being chill is so cursed it’s like watching someone’s videos from like 7 years ago.
This is so comprehensive!! Great vid!
The current hog state hurts my soul too and I'm glad I'm not alone in thinking that
As a Ball main I'm having so much fun in OW2. It's a great time to roll
Hampter good
Hamsters are fast runners for their size. They can run up to 4 miles per hour.
Thank you for this video. After about a week of debating before OW 2 came out, I decided to become a tank player. I just can't ever seem to get shit done with dps or support. But in most cases, I can switch around tanks to get the W. Doesn't always work, but so far in OW 2, NONE of my tank games have been steam rolls. Every loss has been extremely close
I think doom's ult should have either more of a radius or two charges, one to see where people are and then you can slam again to actually achieve higher damage
Flats: Dva is very tanky
Also Flats: *proceeds to show a clip of Dva getting destroyed*
The satisfaction from saving your entire team with kiriko is good enough for me to pick her even though I can’t hit shit with my knives
Ummm acshually, its nwot a knwife. Its a kunai, from the amwime Naruto 🤓
Overall Rankings: Queen 2.5, Doom 2.25, Rein 3.3, Zarya, 3.25, Orisa 2.5, Sigma 3.75, Ball 3.2, Winston 3.75, Dva 4.5, Hog 3
I'd say Doom should gain shields after Power Block ends (not finishes) as with how The Best Defense works, he needs to be able to deal ability damage to sustain himself and that can be hard when his own ability damage is reliant him taking damage directly, leaving him vulnerable the entire time he tries to deal damage.
As for Zarya, I really think the bubbles needed to be handled a different way, at the least having the charges be separate cds.
I would try giving her a third bubble and increasing the cooldown time from 8 to 10
This was fantastic! I've never been a big competitive person, but In OW2 Im planning to be more into it because i like the comp changes. This video was really helpful for me because I had no idea what the current meta is. I especially like the part about good tank picks to counter the meta, I feel like that will probably be the most useful lol.
After trying really hard to figure out how to use Orisa’s ult to actually get kills, I’ve decided that it’s best used as a really long-cooldown Halt or as minor area denial + second Fortify to buy time for getting other cooldowns back. It is nice to still have an option to pull enemies down from high ground or into a dragonstrike or something.
If you feel a bit suicidal, illios well and her ult can be rather fun
19:32 You gave Zarya 4 stars for her ultimate, but then it says 2 stars here. This also affected her overall score, dropping it from 3.7 to 3.3
Flats, I loved this style of content! You’ve inspired me to give streaming OW tank a try! Please consider doing this for support and damage! Keep it up bro bro!!
This tank one was hard enough as he said at the end, and he mains tank. He COULD do DPS or support, but he mains tank, so it would not be as refined Also, there are A LOT of DPS heroes. BUT, Yes I would LOVE to see that.
I would really love to see you breakdown the other roles, even though they're not your roles, I know, you're the Tank Man. I just really like your scripting and tone, and your breakdown method is really balanced and sensible. Maybe collab with friends who role queue the others?
I wonder if buffing JKs passive as well as damage would make her more viable as a tank and as a damage dealer
In fights it doesn't even feel like the passive does anything at all
You can still do a shitload of damage against stuff like monkey and ball it's not bad tbh. I would maybe up the amount of times you can swing the axe so she can do more when she gets close.
I just read JFK
@@caltroop848 It does a lot of trash damage, I had the dagger fly through like 4 people and an axe swing through 2 people and got quite a bit of dmg dealt, but they're all trash damage a single moira left click can handle.
This video was recommended to me because i was watching overwatch shorts and i play tanks in other games, but I don't play overwatch. I watched it. Very impressed with your overall presentation. Really good video and analysis that I am sure will help players looking for the info. Keep it up!
Would love to see a faster axe swing on Carnage, a 12-second CD on JQ's Shout, and a bit more damage.
Ideally, though, I'd also like to see her bleeds double as a necrotic (healing-blocking/absorbing, up to an amount equal to remaining damage to be dealt), and for that to replace the hard anti-heal on Rampage, with Rampage's charge cost being decreased.
i would absolutely love to hear more guides/strategies from you on how to play the tanks more. Even just the Shield usage tip with rein made me feel like im getting a lot more significant use with him in matches; would love anything else you could give us
I think Orisa's E gives more movement than you give her credit for. While it does only speed you up when moving forward you can, hear me out, turn towards where you need to go. Many times able to just barely get behind some cover with the little extra speed boost to get away from a DVA ult or more often then not realize you have over-extended and dip out. Also gives her a great way to engage her ultimate, which I think is way more useful than you give it credit for. Surely, better than Doomfists at least.
Too bad i waited OW2 to watch yours videos dude, you're awesome
I've just started to play the off tank version of Rein. Zarya, that is.
Rein just needs a self commanding shout that doesn't boost his teammates to give him the health and speed to get to someone. Or a passive of hammer momentum where swinging makes you faster since, you know, "rocket hammer"
So...... junker queen shout
Exactly.. But junker queen got that from torb only diff is hers goes to the full team or whoever is near im sure... speed and health boost for how ever long....torb just boost hisself no one else
@@jesseortiz45 yeah I guess it would be more like torb just minus the firerate increase
Good video, I'd suggest going less from a script in the future though. You can tell that your reading down a list, and it's different from your normal chill and authentic flow. We all enjoy hearing your rables, that why we watch you review dice sandwiches and houses on the Market. I'd say just use a few jey prompts to stay on track but getting your authentic and logical reasoning is what I have always enjoyed. Keep it up.
i agree
I don’t see a problem with it
give Junker Queen a 5% damage reduction on top of self healing for each enemy wounded and I think survivability will be boosted a lot and would actually be worth E'ing multiple targets and knifing the ground to get multiple wounds
Somehow you managed to grab my attention for this video, it didn’t feel like 46 minutes passed. Keep up the good work my mans!
I'm a tank and doom main, but i've had to stop main-ing doom for a while to rank up in tank, because he was just so horrible. I'd deal a crap ton of damage and get barely any kills, getting called "Tank diff." I'm kinda glad they've buffed him now, but ranking up is still kinda hard with him.
I actually think junker Queen is dope i get good damage and literally beat a roadhog with her the other day
This was a brilliant video, and everything I needed to know as a Tank main. I hope you don't feel forced to do another, unless you want to! If so; this was great!
I loved this video! Great work on scripting and editing. Love the excitement and love of the game. I'd love to have a montage of Flats dying to Emongg Sigma-ulting Cassidys that pop High Noon.
Fun to watch. As a dVa main, it's nice to see her get some love.
Man i love this video. was just watching it to remember the fun times as a tank. it hurts to see how badly this video aged with season 9. RIP Reinhardt and Hog
Gotta love how Kiriko has to be brought up so much, imo cleansing stuns is overkill.
Yes and no, if they change it then your only cleansing like ana nade and Cass nade. If they want to change it to specifically not counter all the stuns then imo it shouldn't cleanse stuns or from ultimates like shatter or orisa ult that pulls you in. Yes you can make it that they are shortly invulnerable but then dont make it so they stand up.
He foucses too much in kirko is the issue, sure its strong but littrely its his entire foucs and its kinda annyoing
@@typervader I mean, people are going to focus on a character who is hyper-overpowered in everything she's supposed to be able to do. She has great healing, cleanses, tons of mobility, a broken team ultimate for support and insane crit damage on her kunai headshots that's not much different to aim than a Zenyatta ball. No shit people are going to keep talking about what she brings, she's the best support carry OW has ever had and is going to be all over the scene at all levels. Not planning for her interactions would be incredibly stupid.
Something you forgot to mention that makes ball even MORE tanky is the fact that he conceals his critbox.
Widows fear him
I hope you do a video like this for supports and damage. It was really enjoyable. Love your content.
I absolutely love orb of discording a juicy Reinhardt or Roadhog and jus dinking their heads as Zen from height or distance, the panic as they realize they’re squishy to my orbs is amazing
“She’s probably a small buff away from being top tier”
-Things that aged well
Not contesting the four stars for Sigma’s fun, but I will say my love of playing Sigma literally carried me through some of the shittiest ow1 times and always brought me back, even after swearing the game off for good. Sigma has such a thematic kit, powerful voice lines, cool lore. The details they put into his audio design is next level.
Fr Same reason I'll always be a sig main. His whole character is just designed so well. His rock buff has been great to use too
Such a helpful video flats!! Very informative for my friends who never played ow before :)
Thanks for your efforts here, I think chapters for the different characters would have been a great addition to be able to skip to sections people find more value from.
Love your content! Would love to see a dva rein or zarya how to guide from you 😎✊🏽
Bro, if you want a Rein how-to guide, just watch Flats play. He's literally insane at the hero. He talks all the time about learning to look for cues from enemy players, where the best places to position are, when is a good time to be aggressive, etc. His channel is full of him watching other players and pointing out their mistakes as well. Rate my Rein, Spectating Bronze, and the old "Rein God watches Gold Rein player on Gibraltar" will have a ton of advice.
@@MrZebanHai Thanks for the tips, I do not have much time to watch streams, but do watch all the YT videos he posts and have learnt things in between with tips on the fly.
I was a hog main for YEARS in ow1, haven’t played in a while and haven’t gotten ow2 but I’m happy to see hog still overpowered with his combo.
First 10 seconds I knew this would be the best OW2 gamer in history
I absolutely loved this I hope you do one for support class as they all have gotten way more fun in overwatch 2.
I love JQ so much, genuinely a blast to play. Really hope she gets some buffs soon.
I swear playing this game is nothing but pain
Quality voice over with quality footage. You may have refined some views since this came out but it's a quality video. Props to you and your team.
I really think junkerqueen needs a tweak to her kit or just a gernal buff. I almost never see her in comp and if I do, who ever has her is losing :/
I can’t wait to use this WHEN I EVENTUALLY GET INTO THE GAME
While I agree that Orisa's ult isn't very good alone, my friend has played her a lot over the last week, and I've been playing Reaper. At least once every two games or so we get that TerraBlossom/DeathSurge combo and it's one of the best feelings I've found in OW2
If only i could use these tips right now lol
can we appreciate the smooth transition at 6:50 even though it's just background footage real quick
do more videos like this, your voice is PERFECT for watching on the 2nd monitor while playing other games/working
It’s funny cause Flats got what he wanted lmfao. Roadhog is ASS now thanks to the hook-shoot one shot nerf. Now he’s downright terrible to play as. This didn’t age well.
frrr I didn't understand what he was talking about. Hog was NOT busted pre nerf....
Man’s a tank himself
He built like a tank 😂😂😂
I'm an Orisa player, and Orisa without the shield is amazing! You can use the javelin spin to knock players back, block damage, or pushing players off the map, catch up to a player who is low hp and pick them off, or charging a player into a corner and singling them off so you can pick them off. the javelin throw is amazing as well, you can use it to pick off low hp opponents and healers and becomes a huge game changer if you have amazing aim for headshots. And if you get out of position and low hp, you can use your self shield to survive for a little longer till a healer helps you, and you can use javelin spin to block shots, and javelin through to push enemies off you. It's been so fun and surprisingly I do a lot of damage, and the ultimate Is useless if you don't use it before 100%, the javelin immediately pulls in enemies, but at 50% enemies can start to move away and get outside the damage circle.
havent found a decent overwatch channel love the content bro!
Bro is a tank himself💀
Bro built like a tank
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Nah bros a tank himself 💀💀
Crazy comment also you’re prob ass at the game
Some love for the queen would be nice, she just doesn't have a enough. She's still playable for someone that really knows her, but she's flat out weakest in all measures.
I have been testing her and tweaking her in custom to see what she would need, here's my thoughts.
Her shotgun is quite healthy, infact as far as damage output goes, she's decent. 2.4-8 per pellet. However, as far as min-max range goes, her kit doesn't not allow her to be effective unless utilizing corners and letting the fight come to her. Which is the intention behind her knife toss, because she severely struggles at 20+ meter fights, she can't be an effective tank for her teammates, nor is she able to if it's anything but close quarters.
She could have a reduced fire rate for the exchange of higher damage at max range, 2.4 > 3.2 making it 10 pellets = 32 damage. Otherwise, every shot she takes at max range is just support ult charge with no realistic chance of killing anything with a support nearby.
As for her Jagged blade, I think it's great and balanced. Tossing your knife deals 80 + bleed, then shooting the airborn target is usually 60~ ish, which combined with a quick melee usually does the trick. It takes practice but can kill low health targets effectively. And, if it still wasn't enough a final charged melee will do the trick. Conclusion, Jagged blade is in a good spot.
Commanding shout needs a revamp or an addition, it's essentially her whole gameplay. She can play 1/4 of the match, it's up for 5 seconds and on cooldown for 15 seconds. My suggestion, is add an additional mechanic during commanding shouts downtime. For the 5 seconds let her duplicate/store up bleed healing which takes in effect after the bonus health runs out as over time healing, and is evenly distributed to her and nearby teammates. This will incentivize her to brawl more and utilize her whole kit, rather than her shotgun.
Carnage should be a 2 in 1 ability, with the option to click it once for the fully charged normal ability. And, option 2 double tap the ability to half cast time (0.5sec instead of 1sec) and make it two weaker sweeps, this is intended to allow her to crowd brawl better, and apply more wounds.
Rampage is an interesting yet appealing ability. I think it's actually strong as is. But, if I could tweak it, I actually would like to see her charge time be significantly reduced to the point of her being able to cast it 3 times as much, and nerf the ability as a whole as well, the intention being to just create more fluid gameplay for her. If she is gonna be a corner hugging tank then this would make it feel more at home.
It goes without saying, I am not suggesting all these changes at once, but rather how I feel about her kit and what I would like to see for each part of it.
PLEASE MAKE AN UPDATED ONE
honestly- I’d love for a series where you cover 1-3 characters, and you put the month in the title, so if a significant change happens, you can make a new one that’s easy to find, maybe make a playlist too
Looks like a overwatch player 😂