love class 37s and this is fantastic footage - amazing engine sound with the bonus of the steam train passing by in the smoke! also with a sense of humour mixed in - well done!
@autoboybv No, the loco is a diesel electric, so to start you actually apply battery current to the main generator which turns the power unit over to start it.
Hi. EE engines always hunt when cold. The oil is also cold and I understand this effects the ability of the governor to work effectively. Many also idle slightly off-balance, ours certianly does due to having a couple of Class 31 pistons fitted. These are theoretically identical, but even slight differences cause the power unit to idle unevenly. Doesn't do any harm though. Cheers, Tez
@PumbaRuben yeah, seconded. You can look down the exhaust stacks on these and see the turbine wheel of the turbo's! In my opinion thats the only silencing these get is the 2 turbo's!
Engine started by batteries that use the generator effectively as a starter motor . Engine is an English Electric 12CSVT - V12, turbo-charged and intercooled delivering 1,750hp. She's a beast!
Thanks! The A1 is pretty impressive and I believe there's a 'next generation' Standard 5 on a drawing board or CAD tube somewhere. 240 is started in the vid - it pulses when the oil is cold in the governor.
Must say, love the black five going by! Wasn't expecting that treat. Wish we would see that here in the US! I would love to go back to my birth country of England! Mariah Rich
They're not actually the same car. If you look closely at the first one it has some kind of writing on the side, whereas the second one doesnt. Probably some kind of motor show on
You are correct! Without sufficient air generated to operate the Governor or loco air brake, we were using the little YEC 0-4-0 shunter to move her away from the road.
Yes, very true. Many seem to forget that the alternative energy has been acquired using traditional fuels somewhere along the line! I never knew that for bio-diesel!
I used to work on a boat in Bideford that had a pair of old Gardner 6xlct engines, they done the same thing on very cold starts. One morning the fire brigade showed up on the quay after someone though we had a fire. But good as gold once they warmed up a little.
Hiya. Thanks for the comment. She's a diesel electric, glad the video stirred some good memories for you. Happily, there'll be 37's running on both preserved and main lines in the UK for many years to come! Best wishes, Tez
37s are definitely the best of the British diesels. Up until my employers constructively dismissed me, I was going to be driving one of the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Railways's 37s this November. Sadly I won't get my hands on the throttle of one now. Wish I'd visited the Llangollen when this beast has been running! Frankly a 12CSVT giving it the beans beats my puny 1.3 litre Fiesta!
Now that would have been something to see, but best not smell! I visited Victoria and NSW back in 1997 and I distinctly remember it being quite chilly!
@Vladimir42kem Many thanks for the comments from all the way over there in Siberia! I can imagine that running engines in those kind of temperatures must be rather challenging!
According to J. Harrison Fuel, they're very hard coke (no, not the drink!) used in room heaters and cookers. They seem to resemble charcoal briquettes that are used to fuel barbecues.
No probs. Agreed, Deltics are ace! 37's are in daily freight use with DRS and EWS/DB, although the latter are down to around 2 working examples now. West Coast Railways use them for their passenger charter trains, usually top and tailing a steam loco. Network Rail have also just had four heavily overhauled for use on the Cambrian ERTMS project, which will see them based at Shrewsbury and working on the mainline for around another 10 years! Not bad for locos well over 40 years old eh?
Brilliant capture...just love that sound and the smoke!! My Fairey Huntress powerboat with a Ford Sabre 275 in, could outsmoke that!! not a popular chap on the Hamble in winter!
You're looking at around 10-20 minutes - the loco needs to generate sufficient air to release the brakes and control the engine governor before you can take power and move anyway.
Hi there, 37's generally tend to idle off balance like this, but I believe it's worse when they are first started due to the engine Governor hunting as the oil is cold. Thanks for the comments. You've got some impressive locos over in Germany - and you still use them to pull proper trains with carriages. In Britain our railwyas are mostly run by units - or nasty plastic buses as we like to call them!
Thanks, a beast isn't she? It's deffo oil - 2 chrome rings had been fitted on B3 piston before we got the loco and this was causing oil to pass by into the cylinder and burn. The Llangollen is a preserved line and mostly uses steam. Google "Llangollen Railway" to find out more.
Reminds me of starting a very cold GE locomotive back in the day before switching the mill. A GE doesn't even come close to having the character of a Class 37.
Quite a bit. This is a diesel electric loco, a 156 is a mechanical/hydraulic transmission. Power controller and brakes are in similar places, but a 37 is a very different animal from a sprinter!
Old English Electric engines all smoke when they are really cold - as you see elsewhere on TH-cam. The design of this engine is 50 years old after all! If you look at the vid later, you can see the white smoke has cleared when the oil and coolant has warmed up a bit.
We have a 1952 EE built loco on our railway - a bit like a 'baby class 20', 6 cyl 6KST 750hp engine, and it certainly hunts the same, smokes too, when cold, but quite not this much. A couple of video clips of it in my first videos here (NZR class 'De'). 37 sounds much nicer once warmed up, with that extra 6 cylinders!
@thomaspurbeck Thanks for setting me straight there! I know what a Deltic is, in fact I have made a vid or 2 mentioning the, and showing cutaway drawings. So they are class 55s, I will remember that.
@beluga420 Not quite but they are BIG - you need a crane to lift 'em out! Getting them disconnected from and then reattached to the crankshaft is the tough bit!
I'm a train lover, but to be fair, that's a very good point you make. I know there is some debate/question if car/diesel/petrol etc emissions are as much to blame as some claim by some (including myself I hasten to add!), but cars ARE blamed for pollution no end. Why are trains not under the spotlight too? If a car smoked as much as this, it would be ordered off the road!
Live next to a coal line for a couple of years, and you soon become familiar with all the different sounds of these beasts - when they're cruising along, when they're really pulling a load, or when they're in trouble. I've heard some very sick 37s in my time, and this reminds me of some of them. What's the problem with the motorists, though? Don't they like the wonderful smell of clag? ;) Mmm... takes me back. :)
she sure is! class 37 will always stay with me as i got in the cab with the driver and even had a little drive of one when i was a kid! you say before "we" got the loco... i take it your heavily involved in the Llangollen rail? thanks i'll have a look at that ;)
Yes that's a very good point; emission per "weight" or "load" most probably makes it more efficient. The main point I was trying to get over people only see smoke, and if a car smokes even just a little, the greens are in a tizz! One point though, CO2 is invisible; the clag here is made up of other dirty particulates also, not just CO2. FTR, I'm not entirely sure if smoke/clag (or even CO2, seeing we humans and animals expel it out!) is as much to blame as ' the experts' say!
Very true, and I'm glad someone sees my point! Don't get me wrong, trains are awesome pieces of machinery! I would love it if emissions/diesel clag from cars/lorries/ trains etc was found not to be as much to blame for climate change/pollution (or even if it was found not to be responsible at all!) Mind you, maybe some years in the future from now, i'm sure they'll find some 'fault' with 'green-at-the-moment' cars/lorries/trains etc to blame for pollution!
Apart from the 4 hours of back-breaking work spent getting the lovely Black 5 ready for traffic! Head to head, 37 to Black Five? Think I'll have to split the winnings! ; >
Just thought I would point out that the 'Disgruntled Motorist' was the then Chairman of the Llangollen Railway driving past, giving a friendly wave !
love class 37s and this is fantastic footage - amazing engine sound with the bonus of the steam train passing by in the smoke! also with a sense of humour mixed in - well done!
One of my favorite vids ever, that engine sounds beautiful!!
@autoboybv No, the loco is a diesel electric, so to start you actually apply battery current to the main generator which turns the power unit over to start it.
Hi. EE engines always hunt when cold. The oil is also cold and I understand this effects the ability of the governor to work effectively. Many also idle slightly off-balance, ours certianly does due to having a couple of Class 31 pistons fitted. These are theoretically identical, but even slight differences cause the power unit to idle unevenly. Doesn't do any harm though. Cheers, Tez
from a time when we made stuff , real stuff that lasted in the UK
How right you are, Tom. Over 50 years old, and still in use. Wonderful. British - and the best!
@PumbaRuben yeah, seconded. You can look down the exhaust stacks on these and see the turbine wheel of the turbo's! In my opinion thats the only silencing these get is the 2 turbo's!
Engine started by batteries that use the generator effectively as a starter motor . Engine is an English Electric 12CSVT - V12, turbo-charged and intercooled delivering 1,750hp. She's a beast!
Thanks! The A1 is pretty impressive and I believe there's a 'next generation' Standard 5 on a drawing board or CAD tube somewhere.
240 is started in the vid - it pulses when the oil is cold in the governor.
Great Video, I had to laugh when the camera man started to choke on the smoke. I guess there is a price to rail fanning at times.
“Very cold”
Sees flowers blooming in the background
Gotta love the stream train cameo, making sure it can still compete with the CLAGMONSTER
Being in charge of a locomotive in run 8 even for a few minutes is high on my bucket list. I wish you weren't across the pond.
At 1:42 two identical white mk1 toyota MR2's drive by, what a rare and unusual sight!
Thee Adjudicator A glitch in the Matrix?
Buffy lol
Oh what a great piece of kit, English Electric rule. Drove her last March.....will be back again this year!
Must say, love the black five going by! Wasn't expecting that treat. Wish we would see that here in the US! I would love to go back to my birth country of England! Mariah Rich
LOL at the camerman choking! Nice work!
At 1:45 did anyone else notice a glitch in the matrix? i'm sure that white MR2 passed by twice.
They're not actually the same car. If you look closely at the first one it has some kind of writing on the side, whereas the second one doesnt. Probably some kind of motor show on
im 17 man i love these sounds
You are correct! Without sufficient air generated to operate the Governor or loco air brake, we were using the little YEC 0-4-0 shunter to move her away from the road.
Hellfire!!
"cameramen in distress", lol. How did the motorists indicate they were disgruntled?
long live EE diesel power, and long live the class 37s
Clagg overload - fantastic! I remember these from being a little girl. I miss them a lot.
0.34 - 0.42
"wake up, lazy bones! Why don't you work hard like me?" XD
love the sound of these machines cannot stop looking at it
Yes, very true. Many seem to forget that the alternative energy has been acquired using traditional fuels somewhere along the line!
I never knew that for bio-diesel!
Gorgeous, what a fabulous machine. Takes me back to the Lickey incline.
I used to work on a boat in Bideford that had a pair of old Gardner 6xlct engines, they done the same thing on very cold starts. One morning the fire brigade showed up on the quay after someone though we had a fire. But good as gold once they warmed up a little.
does more mpg than a vw diesel , euro 5 compliant , no recalls on this engine, no electronic cheating going on here
Hiya. Thanks for the comment.
She's a diesel electric, glad the video stirred some good memories for you. Happily, there'll be 37's running on both preserved and main lines in the UK for many years to come! Best wishes, Tez
37s are definitely the best of the British diesels. Up until my employers constructively dismissed me, I was going to be driving one of the Gloucestershire & Warwickshire Railways's 37s this November. Sadly I won't get my hands on the throttle of one now. Wish I'd visited the Llangollen when this beast has been running! Frankly a 12CSVT giving it the beans beats my puny 1.3 litre Fiesta!
Love these sounds . The Steam Train sounds great too. I love the idle of this train
oooohhhhhh the sweet idling sound just imagine what you can do with all that power! >:)
How could anyone dislike this video?
Now that would have been something to see, but best not smell! I visited Victoria and NSW back in 1997 and I distinctly remember it being quite chilly!
Used to love watching these coming through Prestatyn.
@Vladimir42kem Many thanks for the comments from all the way over there in Siberia! I can imagine that running engines in those kind of temperatures must be rather challenging!
The engine size works out at 185.5 litres.
The 16 cylinder version comes out at 245.3 litres.
Oh just listen to that mighty roar & they are something to behold!
Cold oil in the governor I believe, although she does tend to tick over slightly off-beat when warm.
Man, that Class 37 made more smoke than the Black 5 did!
According to J. Harrison Fuel, they're very hard coke (no, not the drink!) used in room heaters and cookers. They seem to resemble charcoal briquettes that are used to fuel barbecues.
super dual team on the motorist!!!! lol 37 and black 5 what a tag team!!!!
As a dyed in the wool steam man, I would say that is clag to die for.
still cleaner than a vw golf tdi
Lol
Michael Jagger sounds like my old caviler first thing in the morning with that banging
this is far more worth watching than worrying about the ozone thingy!! :) Especially when the black 5 passed by!!
Ta V Much like.
The power unit is an English Electric 12 cylinder. It's intercooled and turbo'd, knocking out 1,750HP.
Thanks for watching!
February 2008. BR hasn't existed for over 10 years, but several privatised operators still have a few in traffic.
No probs. Agreed, Deltics are ace!
37's are in daily freight use with DRS and EWS/DB, although the latter are down to around 2 working examples now. West Coast Railways use them for their passenger charter trains, usually top and tailing a steam loco. Network Rail have also just had four heavily overhauled for use on the Cambrian ERTMS project, which will see them based at Shrewsbury and working on the mainline for around another 10 years! Not bad for locos well over 40 years old eh?
Brilliant capture...just love that sound and the smoke!! My Fairey Huntress powerboat with a Ford Sabre 275 in, could outsmoke that!! not a popular chap on the Hamble in winter!
you gota love the class 37 clag
Hi there. Wow, amazing that someone in Brazil is watching our 37 smoking away. Thanks for the comments!
Love the sound !
You're looking at around 10-20 minutes - the loco needs to generate sufficient air to release the brakes and control the engine governor before you can take power and move anyway.
Hi there,
37's generally tend to idle off balance like this, but I believe it's worse when they are first started due to the engine Governor hunting as the oil is cold.
Thanks for the comments. You've got some impressive locos over in Germany - and you still use them to pull proper trains with carriages. In Britain our railwyas are mostly run by units - or nasty plastic buses as we like to call them!
Thanks, a beast isn't she?
It's deffo oil - 2 chrome rings had been fitted on B3 piston before we got the loco and this was causing oil to pass by into the cylinder and burn.
The Llangollen is a preserved line and mostly uses steam. Google "Llangollen Railway" to find out more.
Amazing diesel locomotive and cool smoke. Thumbs up! :)
Reminds me of starting a very cold GE locomotive back in the day before switching the mill. A GE doesn't even come close to having the character of a Class 37.
Awesome sound!!! Deltic power!!!
This isn't a Deltic though :P
You are right! I searched the wrong "class"! :)
Best of luck with the Greenpeace sponsorship....
+TheSupercollier best way to piss them off start up a locomotive in front of them.
It's almost making more smoke than the black five!
Hmmm, not entirely sure about that. However, I love the smell of cold start clag in the morning!
Quite a bit. This is a diesel electric loco, a 156 is a mechanical/hydraulic transmission. Power controller and brakes are in similar places, but a 37 is a very different animal from a sprinter!
Nah, it smells lovely. Especially when mixed with drinking real ale!
Looking forward to another hot summer next year.
Polar bears? What ever!
Aye, she's a beast. We look forward to welcoming you back in the Chair Sir!
Love the clag mate that must have been the week we had fog for three days !1
LOL! I'd have to either set fire to the model or put a lump of dry ice in it to get the authentic clag in OO gauge!
Absolutely hellfire
And it even outclagged the kettle
Old English Electric engines all smoke when they are really cold - as you see elsewhere on TH-cam. The design of this engine is 50 years old after all! If you look at the vid later, you can see the white smoke has cleared when the oil and coolant has warmed up a bit.
that the same feeling as getting up every single before a warm cup of coffee!!
Lovely catch of both diesel & Steam :)
We have a 1952 EE built loco on our railway - a bit like a 'baby class 20', 6 cyl
6KST 750hp engine, and it certainly hunts the same, smokes too, when cold, but quite not this much. A couple of video clips of it in my first videos here (NZR class 'De').
37 sounds much nicer once warmed up, with that extra 6 cylinders!
@thomaspurbeck
Thanks for setting me straight there!
I know what a Deltic is, in fact I have made a vid or 2 mentioning the, and showing cutaway drawings.
So they are class 55s, I will remember that.
@beluga420 Not quite but they are BIG - you need a crane to lift 'em out! Getting them disconnected from and then reattached to the crankshaft is the tough bit!
240 was awesome as usual today on the Llangollen ! :)
Bit of a toss up who made the most smoke, black 5 or type 37!
Is that a Deltic engine? Lovely sound!
No. English Electric V12 diesel
That sounds amazing at the end.
Perfect video and sound even better
I'm a train lover, but to be fair, that's a very good point you make.
I know there is some debate/question if car/diesel/petrol etc emissions are as much to blame as some claim by some (including myself I hasten to add!), but cars ARE blamed for pollution no end. Why are trains not under the spotlight too?
If a car smoked as much as this, it would be ordered off the road!
i love this vid you can just hear the turbo whistling
Sounds like a 'royal endfield' ;o)
Live next to a coal line for a couple of years, and you soon become familiar with all the different sounds of these beasts - when they're cruising along, when they're really pulling a load, or when they're in trouble. I've heard some very sick 37s in my time, and this reminds me of some of them.
What's the problem with the motorists, though? Don't they like the wonderful smell of clag? ;) Mmm... takes me back. :)
The smoke covering the road lol probably thinks electrics and hybrids are the future not aware this is a hybrid it's a diesel electric lol
Fantastic !
That black five must have been pretty proud of himself....
zontar would love this! nevermind green peace
I think these trains have a lot of character
Thanks ! Really enjoyed watching that.....
37240 sounds great👍
she sure is! class 37 will always stay with me as i got in the cab with the driver and even had a little drive of one when i was a kid! you say before "we" got the loco... i take it your heavily involved in the Llangollen rail? thanks i'll have a look at that ;)
It is so that they do not stall (where engines stops) and to warm the engine ready for work.
Yes that's a very good point; emission per "weight" or "load" most probably makes it more efficient.
The main point I was trying to get over people only see smoke, and if a car smokes even just a little, the greens are in a tizz!
One point though, CO2 is invisible; the clag here is made up of other dirty particulates also, not just CO2.
FTR, I'm not entirely sure if smoke/clag (or even CO2, seeing we humans and animals expel it out!) is as much to blame as ' the experts' say!
Very true, and I'm glad someone sees my point!
Don't get me wrong, trains are awesome pieces of machinery! I would love it if emissions/diesel clag from cars/lorries/ trains etc was found not to be as much to blame for climate change/pollution (or even if it was found not to be responsible at all!)
Mind you, maybe some years in the future from now, i'm sure they'll find some 'fault' with 'green-at-the-moment' cars/lorries/trains etc to blame for pollution!
Now that's layin' down the clag.
I can see why the Brtis love these things.. That engine was puffing out smoke like and old American GE/ALCo engine.. See we are not that different
+HoustonRailFan ™ we love rolling the coal.
Michael Jagger not every person loves rolling coal😒
@beluga420 The bore is 10 inch if I remember correctly
Lovely old diesel plenty of smoke and grunt stuff the the modern trains these have charm.
A class 37 with a cloaking device......Well now i've seen everything
Apart from the 4 hours of back-breaking work spent getting the lovely Black 5 ready for traffic!
Head to head, 37 to Black Five? Think I'll have to split the winnings! ; >