I love Ssf (not hc) because everyone is talking about currency in 1st day, first week, etc. And I'm feeling bad because I want to take my time, think about build and those things. I don't wanna to start of the league feel like race and week later everyone talking they have so much currency, they can buy everything and I got nothing in comparison to them. But I just don't wanna to play 18H a day using most efficient way. Ssf gives me opportunity to play and see everything in game, not just "ohh I'm gonna buy this because I hate farming that item" And at the end of the day I'm feeling better because i got this by myself even if others got this 10 times faster by buying it.
Last League was the first I really engaged with trade league, and after awhile, it just felt like a rat race at work. I was constantly clicking outside windows, I was frantically trying to trade currency up to get enough to buy that one item that could help my build. It was exhausting and not fun. No longer. I'll play SSF so that I'm on my own, and items take on greater importance, so there's no need to open outside windows, no need to waste time sending out a bunch of tells hoping someone responds, etc...
Started POE in 3.8 and changed from trade to SSF in 3.13. It was a complete blast and it changed my game experience by 180 degree in a positive way. Will never go back to trade again, can highly recommend you try it out! You will learn so much more and will have so much fun for a longer time!
This league is probably the first time I'm going to go SSF. Every league I get to the point in currency that I'm able to just buy the gear I need for a build, get my gems where they need to be, and then I just lose all 'fun' in the build, cause there is nothing else for me to shoot for. Thinking on it, it explains why I make so many other builds in a league, cause I enjoy the chase of, "I need this item and I'll be stronger." and having the ability to just buy the item I think has ruined that fun for me. I could just *not trade* in normal league, but if I take away that option from the start, I think the game will feel better to me.
Yeah, buying an item isn‘t the same, at least to me. Just farming the most profitable mechanic isn‘t an option in SSF and for me that‘s great as I have a tendency to fall into habits and stick to them even if - in the case of playing PoE - they become a chore and finally amassing the currency to get what I need feels empty. Of course switching to trade is only a click away if I ever feel the need to test out a build‘s limits. I see the SSF option as a symbolic gesture that helps me play in a way that‘s more fun. The results I achieve in SSF might not be the best but at least I get there by learning about crafting methods or farming specific uniques myself. And there‘s the possibility of a fail state which makes succeeding that much more meaningful. Good luck in your first SSF league, this one will be tough!
@@btarczy5067 LOL Im at the stage right now. the last few leagues it has been more about collecting as many mirrors as possible then enjoying the game. so Im going SSF next league
a friend and me aleready booked a private league, were going to be 4-5ppl. im really looking forward to it, gonna be a great soft start into ssf. tired of trading, econimical pressure and farming antifun stuff just because its giving the best currency.
I have to say that I am feeling frustrated with the changes. I have been working on getting to end game for five months with three different SSF characters. I am just getting to red maps and I feel that this latest patch is slapping me back down. It feels like an unfair obstacle was placed in my path. I have enjoyed the journey in SSF, it is forcing me to actually learn the game, but I am not sure I have it in me to start over.
Nugi is fun. "If you are hurting, your character is also hurting." - Nugiyen Might actually be one of the most important lessons that is overlooked in the video.
Generally love both your and Nugi's content and watch it all. 13mins into this and it just seems like a lecture about why Nugi thinks I shouldnt play ssf.
The word he said is "essences." You can target farm them in Haewark Hamlet. They make it reasonable to craft a good weapon since you need lots of flat cold or fire damage, which specific essences can guarantee.
Quick Funny Story i had in ssf: Only had 1 kikazaru but wanted to play freezing pulse totems, looked up poedb and searched for "reduced curse effect on you" on rings, crafted the things with everything i got (fossil, essence etc.) and managed to get one ring, 5 minutes after dropped the 2. kikazaru. never felt more betrayed in my life Just to give me 2 cents, SSF is super fun if you dont know everything and want to know, u will be a lot more on wiki etc. just to look up where do you get this or that. and prepare for heist.
Stories like this is why I love ssf. Also unique drops. They are actually important. I got a dancing duo once in ssf. It's 1 alch in trade. It's priceless for me
This mindset is what a lot of older PoE players already have. Back then you had to over level, and over gear, just to clear the campaign. Like you'd spend have the day farming fellshrine ruins before going to merc act 3. These days, people expect to jump into end game like it's nothing. I feel the people that played pre-2016 (the game got significantly easier with ascendancy and atlas) have much better habits.
once you get your first ascendancy on a discharge juggernaut you pretty much pop off. From there on out its figuring out how to break the nme resistance.
@@audio8210 Noice! Yeah, it comes with experience, as everything in ssf. If you don't pick something up, you remove it, if you miss something, you highlight it more. Being able to edit your loot filter is one of the best skills to have
@@ilysiable Ye so far I mostly work off a semi strict base and adjust it to the characters needs when it enters maps. Using semi strict base for leveling has been fine for me!
Especially over 66lv, fire, cold, lightning tag for harvest includes percentage damage as extra chaos damage. For spell build, usually we want to roll the +1 skill gem level and extra chaos modifier isn't good for rerolling. So take the item that is below lv 66. For other modifier, such as spell damage, the highest modifier below the 66 lv is 64. So we use 64 and 65 septre for a base. It is similar with shield to roll gem level and high health.
How do you unlock pantheon bonuses now? Do you just wait to get lucky with divine orb or vessel drop or is there a way to somehow target getting divine vessel or something?
pro tip about killing sirus stop focusing on trying to kill him, focus on running around in circles staying alive. sirus can be done by taking zero hits fairly easily once you understand his move sets and realize you can just walk circles around him without getting hit. once you learn to run circles around him you can start to learn how to attack him inbetween.
the topic is ssf, which is something you probably should not do unless you have some basic understanding of the game, or atleast you are really getting into it and try to learn a lot fast. not every teaching video has to cater towards everyone
I really don't feel like HC is worth the struggle in current state of the game. At least unless you want to limit yourself really heavily with your build option and play meta option while also having literally mastery over the game. You get huge ego boost and adrenaline high from struggle you are going through, specially once you finish main campaign and even do well in maps but you are one bullshit AN rare / lag spike from disappointment. I got to like first red maps on HC on my ~third or fourth trial, taking my time doing campaign after first timing Innocence fight and being oneshot with full lightning resists (his damage is partly fire so I should cap it too and get more health nodes, it was 100% my fault for not knowing that but game doesn't even tell you so unless you google it or play conviction wave, realize that colors of the sparks are the same and it might mean that damage is also partly fire, partly light, you are never going to know what killed you :)). I died once to Kitava's explosion due to slow and degens from rare AN + no cd on flame dash. I decided to do it once more but I got way less adrenaline and got more annoyed as deaths and time piled on. I learned more about the game itself as I progressed (guardian skills, auras, better combinations etc), I beat Kitava, I got to maps, I cleared white maps, cleared yellow with small struggle and did some reds. Then randomly in one of these red maps, I got run down and instakilled by mana drain, haste, some bullshit phys dmg boost mods rare. I could beat red map boss but one rare instakilled me. Yeah, I was done, said fuck it and went back to game on new league start but on trade SC. Now, I would not be instakilled if this mob didn't drain my mana in second, or if he didn't crit and hit me maybe multiple times in quick succession despite my very high evasion and some physical mitigation. Maybe I could have flame dash on life tap or outlevel zone much more. These are possibilities but I still don't think I should not have any counterplay in this very moment despite dueling and dealing with red map bosses. I don't think it's good game design and I am not going to bet my time on it ever again so no HC unless disparity between bosses and rares is fixed. Boss should be the hardest, the strongest and most rewarding thing in map. Period. That being said, SC trade was easy, two weeks, I did end game content, felt like there is nothing more for me to achieve. Anything I got and did was devalued to chaos/divine and getting the best chest on market felt only good when I struggled to get color sockets for it (it was VERY high EV/DEX and I needed 3 red and 1 green sockets). It felt good to beat Shaper, Elder, Guardians or Maven's 10s gauntlet but what I felt good about was struggle and getting through difficult stuff, not just getting it done. It was journey, not destination. Now I started new journey in SSF, no HC this time. From the scratch. I never played anything outside Shadow/Scion elemental EK as I felt it's extremally fun to play so I decided to do everything in SSF. I literally checked every single skill in game and thought about what will be most fun to play for me (fuck efficiency), looked up for passive skill heatmap for said skills and characters I wanted to play as (ex. Crackling Lance Assassin instead of Inquisitor, Spectral Throw Scion instead of Raider) and created 8 characters, doing act by acts with each of them to experience whole leveling, gearing, building struggle and see how far each of them can get. So far it's been extremally fun and it's just whole new game for me which I really enjoy.
well, i played a juggernaut discharge character recently in ssf hc, it was actually enjoyable to play and durable fast enough and cheap af and kind of safe vs bosses... like i should have died to kitava in act 10 because i played the fight really poorly mechanically due to lack of experience with it but i just facetanked everything 🤭. The poor mechanics and the small cooldown on discharge ended up getting me killed though in an encounter i hadnt faced b4, i think i let my fortify drop (yikes) .... also it was my first game of the day so i still had to get into the rhythm of the character again. SSF is like a hard puzzle !
I always start ssf because I hate trade league with a passion. But I also always dont finish an endgame path because I can't get to t15+ and loose interest. Sucks that Poe is balanced for tradeleague.
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Who doesn’t love Nugi. Such great positive energy and a wealth of knowledge on POE. Thanks much.
Do you suffer from ED? Worry no longer. Ziz will have a new build out covering how to improve on your ED soon!
I love Ssf (not hc) because everyone is talking about currency in 1st day, first week, etc.
And I'm feeling bad because I want to take my time, think about build and those things. I don't wanna to start of the league feel like race and week later everyone talking they have so much currency, they can buy everything and I got nothing in comparison to them. But I just don't wanna to play 18H a day using most efficient way. Ssf gives me opportunity to play and see everything in game, not just "ohh I'm gonna buy this because I hate farming that item"
And at the end of the day I'm feeling better because i got this by myself even if others got this 10 times faster by buying it.
Last League was the first I really engaged with trade league, and after awhile, it just felt like a rat race at work. I was constantly clicking outside windows, I was frantically trying to trade currency up to get enough to buy that one item that could help my build. It was exhausting and not fun. No longer. I'll play SSF so that I'm on my own, and items take on greater importance, so there's no need to open outside windows, no need to waste time sending out a bunch of tells hoping someone responds, etc...
i also play ssf for the same reasons, and if there is something i really want to try, i transfer over to softcore later into the league
Started POE in 3.8 and changed from trade to SSF in 3.13. It was a complete blast and it changed my game experience by 180 degree in a positive way. Will never go back to trade again, can highly recommend you try it out! You will learn so much more and will have so much fun for a longer time!
This league is probably the first time I'm going to go SSF. Every league I get to the point in currency that I'm able to just buy the gear I need for a build, get my gems where they need to be, and then I just lose all 'fun' in the build, cause there is nothing else for me to shoot for. Thinking on it, it explains why I make so many other builds in a league, cause I enjoy the chase of, "I need this item and I'll be stronger." and having the ability to just buy the item I think has ruined that fun for me.
I could just *not trade* in normal league, but if I take away that option from the start, I think the game will feel better to me.
Yeah, buying an item isn‘t the same, at least to me. Just farming the most profitable mechanic isn‘t an option in SSF and for me that‘s great as I have a tendency to fall into habits and stick to them even if - in the case of playing PoE - they become a chore and finally amassing the currency to get what I need feels empty. Of course switching to trade is only a click away if I ever feel the need to test out a build‘s limits. I see the SSF option as a symbolic gesture that helps me play in a way that‘s more fun.
The results I achieve in SSF might not be the best but at least I get there by learning about crafting methods or farming specific uniques myself. And there‘s the possibility of a fail state which makes succeeding that much more meaningful.
Good luck in your first SSF league, this one will be tough!
Ssf for sure
@@btarczy5067 LOL Im at the stage right now. the last few leagues it has been more about collecting as many mirrors as possible then enjoying the game. so Im going SSF next league
a friend and me aleready booked a private league, were going to be 4-5ppl. im really looking forward to it, gonna be a great soft start into ssf. tired of trading, econimical pressure and farming antifun stuff just because its giving the best currency.
I have to say that I am feeling frustrated with the changes. I have been working on getting to end game for five months with three different SSF characters. I am just getting to red maps and I feel that this latest patch is slapping me back down. It feels like an unfair obstacle was placed in my path. I have enjoyed the journey in SSF, it is forcing me to actually learn the game, but I am not sure I have it in me to start over.
Nugi is fun.
"If you are hurting, your character is also hurting." - Nugiyen
Might actually be one of the most important lessons that is overlooked in the video.
Generally love both your and Nugi's content and watch it all. 13mins into this and it just seems like a lecture about why Nugi thinks I shouldnt play ssf.
Could we get chapters or timestamps for the different slides?
The stetching pause got me cracking
I already play SSF because i hate Poe’s trade system. I’m awful at the game though. Sad combination.
At 25:05 Nugi says "the reason lightning strike is viable is strictly because _ exists" - what did he say?
Haewark (Hamlet). Atlas passives in that region let you farm essences
The word he said is "essences." You can target farm them in Haewark Hamlet. They make it reasonable to craft a good weapon since you need lots of flat cold or fire damage, which specific essences can guarantee.
Thanks. The word I missed was "haewark"
@@a_pet_rock he was talking about essences, but the word he said in the blank the guy provided was haework
Quick Funny Story i had in ssf: Only had 1 kikazaru but wanted to play freezing pulse totems, looked up poedb and searched for "reduced curse effect on you" on rings, crafted the things with everything i got (fossil, essence etc.) and managed to get one ring, 5 minutes after dropped the 2. kikazaru. never felt more betrayed in my life
Just to give me 2 cents, SSF is super fun if you dont know everything and want to know, u will be a lot more on wiki etc. just to look up where do you get this or that. and prepare for heist.
Stories like this is why I love ssf.
Also unique drops. They are actually important. I got a dancing duo once in ssf. It's 1 alch in trade. It's priceless for me
Great video, thanks boys.
This mindset is what a lot of older PoE players already have.
Back then you had to over level, and over gear, just to clear the campaign. Like you'd spend have the day farming fellshrine ruins before going to merc act 3.
These days, people expect to jump into end game like it's nothing. I feel the people that played pre-2016 (the game got significantly easier with ascendancy and atlas) have much better habits.
If you use Filterblade I wouldn't anything over "Semi" for SSF
once you get your first ascendancy on a discharge juggernaut you pretty much pop off. From there on out its figuring out how to break the nme resistance.
Would one of u recommend a ssf loot
Filter for someone who wants to step into SSF and is very new to the game? (Started 2 weeks ago).
Just use filterbalde normal rarity. Feel free to pm if you need help
@@ilysiable thanks for the tip! Been messing around with filters since then and actuelly adjusted quite a few myself since!
@@audio8210 Noice! Yeah, it comes with experience, as everything in ssf. If you don't pick something up, you remove it, if you miss something, you highlight it more. Being able to edit your loot filter is one of the best skills to have
@@ilysiable Ye so far I mostly work off a semi strict base and adjust it to the characters needs when it enters maps. Using semi strict base for leveling has been fine for me!
wondering what's so special about ilvl 64 for opal sceptre?
Especially over 66lv, fire, cold, lightning tag for harvest includes percentage damage as extra chaos damage. For spell build, usually we want to roll the +1 skill gem level and extra chaos modifier isn't good for rerolling. So take the item that is below lv 66. For other modifier, such as spell damage, the highest modifier below the 66 lv is 64. So we use 64 and 65 septre for a base. It is similar with shield to roll gem level and high health.
Just what I wanted to watch, ty!
lmao the streaching
"Currency" is cringe!
Orbs for crafting and maps in poe
How do you unlock pantheon bonuses now? Do you just wait to get lucky with divine orb or vessel drop or is there a way to somehow target getting divine vessel or something?
hope this time i ll finally beat sirus before my character die :(
pro tip about killing sirus
stop focusing on trying to kill him, focus on running around in circles staying alive.
sirus can be done by taking zero hits fairly easily once you understand his move sets and realize you can just walk circles around him without getting hit. once you learn to run circles around him you can start to learn how to attack him inbetween.
@@nerowolf1234 that's all good until the last phase when he shoots out laser beams with no indication because the game is buggy
Ziz sounded like he hates this dude, seemed sooooo annoyed
Why am I ready to start this league as SSF/HC...
ssf hc is the most enjoyable way to play the game (until you die )
Nugi!
Please turn on anti-aliasing for Nugi.
I feel like people forget, that you always start on ssf and slowly learn to trade.
same issue with this dude like the other dude, teaching in his style is much more pushing towards people who knows the game to a quite good degree.
the topic is ssf, which is something you probably should not do unless you have some basic understanding of the game, or atleast you are really getting into it and try to learn a lot fast. not every teaching video has to cater towards everyone
I really don't feel like HC is worth the struggle in current state of the game. At least unless you want to limit yourself really heavily with your build option and play meta option while also having literally mastery over the game.
You get huge ego boost and adrenaline high from struggle you are going through, specially once you finish main campaign and even do well in maps but you are one bullshit AN rare / lag spike from disappointment.
I got to like first red maps on HC on my ~third or fourth trial, taking my time doing campaign after first timing Innocence fight and being oneshot with full lightning resists (his damage is partly fire so I should cap it too and get more health nodes, it was 100% my fault for not knowing that but game doesn't even tell you so unless you google it or play conviction wave, realize that colors of the sparks are the same and it might mean that damage is also partly fire, partly light, you are never going to know what killed you :)). I died once to Kitava's explosion due to slow and degens from rare AN + no cd on flame dash. I decided to do it once more but I got way less adrenaline and got more annoyed as deaths and time piled on. I learned more about the game itself as I progressed (guardian skills, auras, better combinations etc), I beat Kitava, I got to maps, I cleared white maps, cleared yellow with small struggle and did some reds. Then randomly in one of these red maps, I got run down and instakilled by mana drain, haste, some bullshit phys dmg boost mods rare. I could beat red map boss but one rare instakilled me. Yeah, I was done, said fuck it and went back to game on new league start but on trade SC. Now, I would not be instakilled if this mob didn't drain my mana in second, or if he didn't crit and hit me maybe multiple times in quick succession despite my very high evasion and some physical mitigation. Maybe I could have flame dash on life tap or outlevel zone much more. These are possibilities but I still don't think I should not have any counterplay in this very moment despite dueling and dealing with red map bosses. I don't think it's good game design and I am not going to bet my time on it ever again so no HC unless disparity between bosses and rares is fixed. Boss should be the hardest, the strongest and most rewarding thing in map. Period.
That being said, SC trade was easy, two weeks, I did end game content, felt like there is nothing more for me to achieve. Anything I got and did was devalued to chaos/divine and getting the best chest on market felt only good when I struggled to get color sockets for it (it was VERY high EV/DEX and I needed 3 red and 1 green sockets). It felt good to beat Shaper, Elder, Guardians or Maven's 10s gauntlet but what I felt good about was struggle and getting through difficult stuff, not just getting it done. It was journey, not destination.
Now I started new journey in SSF, no HC this time. From the scratch. I never played anything outside Shadow/Scion elemental EK as I felt it's extremally fun to play so I decided to do everything in SSF. I literally checked every single skill in game and thought about what will be most fun to play for me (fuck efficiency), looked up for passive skill heatmap for said skills and characters I wanted to play as (ex. Crackling Lance Assassin instead of Inquisitor, Spectral Throw Scion instead of Raider) and created 8 characters, doing act by acts with each of them to experience whole leveling, gearing, building struggle and see how far each of them can get. So far it's been extremally fun and it's just whole new game for me which I really enjoy.
💯 agree. If we were fully offline for hardcore= I'd be more ok with it. SSF fits that niche where the game's harder
well, i played a juggernaut discharge character recently in ssf hc, it was actually enjoyable to play and durable fast enough and cheap af and kind of safe vs bosses... like i should have died to kitava in act 10 because i played the fight really poorly mechanically due to lack of experience with it but i just facetanked everything 🤭. The poor mechanics and the small cooldown on discharge ended up getting me killed though in an encounter i hadnt faced b4, i think i let my fortify drop (yikes) .... also it was my first game of the day so i still had to get into the rhythm of the character again. SSF is like a hard puzzle !
I always start ssf because I hate trade league with a passion.
But I also always dont finish an endgame path because I can't get to t15+ and loose interest.
Sucks that Poe is balanced for tradeleague.