Old Content in a New World
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- The world is forever changing. So will your beliefs. But what to do about what's already online for people to view? Will this stuff ever be used against you? I talk about it in this video, as well as throwing yet more incriminating stuff out there to be used against me later on. Enjoy.
As time goes on, I'll post some examples of how things have changed below:
20 year-old shows being pulled for racism
www.bbc.co.uk/...
Jenna Marbles accused in 2020 of being sexist and racist in content produced in 2011/2012
www.bbc.co.uk/...
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Really didn't expect Philip to start talking about porn especially based on the beginning of this video
Didn't expect porn users to be added to a holocaust poem tbh
Honestly, this video was such a Rollercoaster from start to end, and I love it
I thought you were kidding... I was wrong big time..
Expect the unexpected
The fart master strikes again.
"obviously i'm not because it's illegal" gave me a chuckle
*FBI OPEN UP*
It's not illegal to watch it or do it, only illegal to film it for public sale/viewing which makes no sense since you can still watch it and you can still do it. Nothing sexual is illegal behind closed doors unless it involves someone under 16
@@mrcaboosevg6089 isn't it illegal to possess and distribute too?
@@lindholmaren The only porn that's actually illegal is child porn or beastiality that i know of, everything else is fine so long as it doesn't involve real crimes like rape.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 The uk goverment isnt a fan of recording kinky stuff tho
Yo he just spent 6min to ease into talking about Britain’s stupid laws
That's some good foreplay
Asocial Canine wait so this video is illegal!
"One day we might wake up and find our past selves being used against us..."
"Now I'm going to talk about porn."
10/10 segue.
Cash Mayo so kids, never use google drive and make ur hard drives destructible
Well, can you blame him?
Don't delete old videos, that's just part of history now.
History you CAN change
old shamufull videos best videos
He could get removed for some of them (possibly)?
i doubt he deletes them, just makes them private so they cant hurt his image
I believe Philip's content is among the kind of content that will be archived somewhere 500 years from now. It would be a shame to alter history to portray it in accordance to a standard of what is acceptable when it might be different in 50 years from now.
One of the most controversial videos Ive ever seen from you but I completely agree with you
Honestly like how Phillip handles controversial topics and the like; he states his points in a manner that isn't inflammatory, but rather pensive and ruminating, and it more likely makes you think than feel attacked and go on the defensive
He only said what many people said before, but he properly built it up and gave context, instead of just being "thing bad, give likes"
@@pointblank2890 Try and read that comment out loud
doesn't seem very controversial, only 31 dislikes
@@pointblank2890 I get what you're saying but jesus that comment gave me a stroke.
Quite a healthy perspective Philip. You’ve gained even more respect in my book. Glad you decided to make this video. Even though it may be considered controversial, It’s still important to touch on. Thanks.
how on earth would this be controversial?
It’s almost like “might be” implies something. Why do the dumbest people feel the need to reply.
I leave a nice, positive and thoughtful comment and you get folks who have nothing to add intentionally trying to start an argument. But that’s to be expected I guess.
@@easternmcg
I asked HOW can it be viewed as controversial rather than just denying your whole claim.
Jesus, the absolute ego and insecurity reeking from that comment. As soon as someone says anything that goes against your narrative you get defensive and just call them stupid without actually trying to provide a point.
holy fuck, bad day buddy?
@@easternmcg wow, you sure showed me
my man out here making an 8:44 video about protecting old internet content's right to exist in a modern world just as a front for unbanning fisting
Worth it
Facesitting
@@ちにたてとな just flip the facesitting videos upside down. Problem solved.
The CEO of youtube fisting is dangerous, just as dangerous as people with guns in the us though, and those are literally gaureemtedd fuck you ups if you misfire
@@elizabethdespair Fisting is dangerous but i don't get why facesitting is
can we get a fist for kliksphilip?
3fistsfilip
@@MsZsc 3fistsfitintophilip
@@MsZsc oh no
I see the comment like buttons as fists now..
kekfist
I enjoyed going low in CSGO. You should release some of it in an unlisted playlist with a warning video
Cody I do also think this is a great idea, c’mon Phillip, you can do it
Just add a disclaimer saying: Kids, don't try this at home.
Yess
I hate this. Why would one apologise or disclaim something one did in the past? If someone is not called out to explain it then assume the viewer is intelligent enough to understand.
And he already recorded them anyway, it's not like he needs to derank more to finish the series.
That ending got me good
huh, didn't expect seeing you here
helo
Oh hi dani
Hey dani did not expect to see you here, also whishlist karlson am I right?
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I had to spend 3 hours at the police station yesterday, after the sex police caught me peeing WHILE STANDING UP.
@@uku4171 huh...
What?
@@uku4171 oh no
Peep Show - a man of exquisite taste.
Chance would be a fine thing.
@@Tudvari A fine thing indeed.
there are a lot of stupid comments i've made in my early high school years (both on and off the internet) i wish i could somehow scrub from the timeline. i have an aching suspicion that i'll become famous someday and somebody will somehow come forth with that information and ruin my professional career. it's rough having those sorts of skeletons in your closet.
i know you mean beyond youtube, but you actually can delete youtube comments you made long ago, the interface is just so bad imo that you can't easily find it. give it a look on the googleys
Soon you won't even have to be famous for it to ruin your life. We're already seeing the start of thought policing.
Shane Rivers thought police is already very far spread, it’s just that the famous people are the only ones to get on the news, because they are famous. Nobody is going to defend Dave who tweeted from his garage after stretching his pud. That’s just how it goes
im not afraid of becomming famous and then get into such problems. im afraid, that everybodys posts everywhere will be scaned and held acountable for
@@MuffinTastic except you can't because of infinite scrolling
The porn ban & AgeID thing sounds like a blatant money making scheme.
...for VPN's.
OI. OUR RECORDS SHOW YOU BOUGHT A COMPUTER BUT DON'T HAVE A PORN LOICENSE.
@@billybobjoe198 Wow lol.
@@billybobjoe198 I wouldn't be surprised if that ends up becoming a reality.
porn is bad for society
Going Low in CSGO is how I found you and to this day is my favourite series.
You should release the going low series videos anyways.
You could add a disclaimer at the beginning like Warner Bros. did with some of their old racist cartoons.
Something along the lines of "These videos are a product of their time and are presented as they were then"
Could throw in some extra bit about how you don't condone the actions now
@@kliksphilip ˡᶦᵏᵉ ᶠᶦˢᵗᶦⁿᵍ
@@kliksphilip that sucks, going low was awesome
it was a series I looked forward to completing at the time, but I can definitely understand your concerns. However, it's a piece of history and should be preserved
THIS is the problem I have with the world today. The world IS changing faster than ever before, and the Internet allows us to keep up with the times. Yet, there are those so afraid, so stuck in the mud, unable to consider a different viewpoint even when they have all of the tools to do so.
... And every time I worry about this, I remember people like you, Phillip. Everyday folks who DO get the bigger picture and are able to keep things in perspective. And I feel better in no time.
Likewise.
the going low series was my favourite:(
Tbh I don't think it has aged very much at all.
@Randomly Ryan fucking nerds need to stop being nob eds
RestingTea I love your thumbnail
How does no one realize Counter Strike is merely a game. They gotta chill
I completely agree with Philip.
He talked about many points that have been concerning me and added new ones I hadnt considered before.
This in my opinion is his best video ever.
@Uku Sibul
As if this video wasn't controversial enough it ended with a Destiny 2 ad.
Imagine not having adblocker in 2019. xD
@@Dragon.7722 ᵉᶜᵏˢ ᵈᵉᵉ
@@Dragon.7722 some people want to support creators, and don't mind periodically waiting five seconds or having to click the X on a popup to do so
I really agree with a lot of this video. Times have changed and will continue to change, in the world in general but especially on TH-cam. I see you getting a lot of animosity in the modern CS:GO community for those going low videos and at first I just didn't get it. But I suppose I left that community for the most part a few years ago, partly due to time, but mostly that I just didn't take the game as seriously as most people did then, and do still now. If it were me I would probably take those videos down, but I will admit I can be really weak to that sort of thing, and I really respect that you are keeping all that stuff up in spite of what the modern perception of it is. I hope it stays up, your old videos give me a hearty air of nostalgia everytime I get bored and end up watching them.
I think you and me are of similar age and culture Philip... I first started watching your videos with the original CSS hammer mapping tutorials (the ones with the fuzzy audio) and later your game making vids with multimedia fusion. They came out while I was in highschool and I spent my free time for a few years then making maps and games with those. I always found your personal videos entertaining as well, maybe just as someone who herself didn't have a lot of friends into that same nerdy stuff it made me feel part of a little group.
I still have that microphone you're using while dancing around in that blue outfit. It still works too. lol
Epic gamer.
Guess I should clarify SAME TYPE not the one he has. It's a pretty damn old USB desktop mic! Don't comment on TH-cam while tired after work.
1 year late but thanks for the clarification
@@noamias4897 you're welcome.
nice to see you brushing on some pretty controversial topics recently, always appreciate seeing your opinion on things
like fisting
"I got nothing to hide" biggest meme people say when it comes to digital privacy
0:03 among us
4:15
Truly a pioneer
Philip. You're one of my idols. Your content is sublime
Philip, I thoroughly respect you for bringing up and addressing these topics in a non-edge lord fashion.
this music really leaves me feeling good everytime... im so conditioned by your videos
I wished more people thought like you do. People are usually very small minded and judge everything with a heavy bias without judging context. Most people don't even realize they're doing it unless someone else points it out to them. People should be aware that having a strong opinion doesn't mean they are correct, and that public opinion on things can and will change over time.
Oh man, I still recognize the "Yesterday I was mad" music video, and of course the going low series in which I totally didn't star in.
And while I would like to see the already recorded clips of going low, I can see how it would effect how the community sees you now. Since the popularization of social media and this "outrage" culture everything started to age like milk. (It doesn't age that well).
Glad to see you like taking the middle ground and looking at problems from all the sides, the problem is that some problems are complex and not totally black and white.
I wish you the best of luck on your future endeavours!
People who shout about how they "wouldn't have done that bad thing that was accepted if they were born in that time" are the most arrogant sort of people.
Wait... So the UK basically made 80% of fetishes illegal? WTF. I knew that the UK had weirdly strict porn laws but not THAT strict.
Yep, shits fucked up
Your point of view is very understandable, and I'm sure, most of us agree with everything you said.
Yes, the government is clearly at fault here, this is utterly ridiculous and honestly, it could easily pass as a joke, but, we're also at fault for being the way we are.
The majority of us, never stand up for anything, we just look at it and hope for the best.
Perhaps it's about time we change our ways (and by that, I don't mean going full-on civil war or anything crazy) but, actually stand up for ourselves.
If we wanna get some spanking videos, we'll get em
The reason most people dont stand up for others is because most of them feel like because they're not in that situation or the ones being oppressed they dont feel the need or right to step in and save a bit of humanity
Edit: it's a shame, I was questioning my sexuality in a boys school but nobody would help me as they didnt feel like it was their place to help a 13 year old kid who's considering some bad options
well he's absolutely right, porn is an easy target because not many will stand up for it. i will, however, die for my right to tuch pp to bondage and i will scream it loud and proud if that's what it takes. i'll also fight for other degenerates because i have no shame and you can't make me backpedal by accusing me of having a fetish
Hey Phillip, I loved the video, and I found what you said about pride interesting, I never thought about it that way.
What I have to say, would be that pride would not be a fight for equality, if equality was reached, but instead a celebration for reaching equality. It would not be "we want to be treated the same way as you do", but instead be "we worked together to achieve peace, let's take time to celebrate as a people", and is why I do not see straight pride becoming a thing, for as long as straight people are not oppressed. Without the need to fight for your rights to exist, lacks the need to celebrate the victory of winning rights to exist, meaning that there would be nothing to celebrate for.
If the lgbt community had never been oppressed, there would never be a pride. And because straight people are not oppressed, there is no straight pride.
I find the Pride point quite interesting
Im a lesbian, so pride is a big thing for me. It allows me to be proud of myself. But if being lesbian, gay, transgender, genderdiverse, etc is accepted as normal, i dont think i would need Pride anymore. I think it would still be partially celebrated to go "Hey, we fought for our rights, that was pretty great" but i dont think it would be nearly as massive as it is now.
Its an interesting thought to say the least
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read ur bio, hope youre still alive and well
6:47 I understand what you’re trying to say here though I think pride is half about empowering LGBTQ+ people in the face of their former (and somewhat ongoing) oppression, and half about celebrating the culture and history created by LGBTQ+ people who faced their oppression. This culture and history doesn’t necessarily exist for cisgender heterosexual people because our sexual preferences and gender alignments have been represented in all mainstream culture and history.
So this is why PewDiePie stoped giving "BRO FISTS".
Interesting...
Going low In csgo is still my favourite series on youtube. your narrative combined with your fathers nostalgic styled synth compositions and hilarous gameplay made it amazing! And everytime you released a new video for the series when I was youger, It would bring me joy and laughter! Even if it's a sin considered by todays csgo standards, please don't take the videos down or even look down upon them, they're from a much simpler time in csgo, they should be remembered as a funny time for cs.
Im glad you made a video about this and i really hope theres a chance to this new world in the future and people wont act offended about everything they dont even really care about. I dont think censoring and deplatforming people for saying something "controversial" is the way to progress and i hope people realise that some day.
Holy this video aged well
Aged like fine wine
did i get this in my recommended now because of the case unboxing millionaire at 6:30?
Going low in csgo was actually my favorite video series of you, so much work, so many good jokes.
6 minutes in the audio get louder or just for me? potentially trying to emphasize a point?
Great Video
Nice points. I agree we need to look at past context in order to understand why people held views considered wrong today. I may very well have been racist 100 years ago if I was born then, but that doesn't make it right. If we justify things based on "it's always been this way" then nothing will never change and we would continue having bigoted views.
The idea of flipping man/woman, gay/straight, etc reminds me of a persuasive animal rights argument called "name the trait". The argument asks, "On your current moral view, if all traits true
of a given human (who has moral value) are switched to match those true of a given nonhuman animal (who doesn't have moral value), is there any point in the trait-equalisation process where moral value is lost?".
You have to name the traits present in humans, that justify the differential treatment. Otherwise, contradiction.
"Humans are more intelligent". Therefore, if a human had less intelligence than a given animal, it could be treated in the same manner as the animal?
I would be interested to hear what you think the justification is.
2:25 that isn't entirely true.
If you throw a molotov on the ground, disconnect from the match and your teammates stand inside the molotov and die and you reconnect - they are technically doing a suicide, but the game can't kick them since the damage came from a player which ID isn't on the server. You can lose 16 rounds easy and fast this way.
that yesterday when i was mad video is what got me into pet shop boys in the first place, and my life has changed forever since that point. it's one of your most important videos tbh.
I am glad that you made this video, these topics deserve to be discussed.
Perhaps it is controversial, but that's not a bad thing.
The fact that these topics are controversial is exactly *why* they need to be discussed openly, and you did an amazing job at it.
You wont find any other channels that make content like this lmaooo. Your videos make me interested in topics i literally would not have cared for, its so good
04:48 LSD is a hell of a drug
Thanks for bringing this into conversation! It's super refreshing to see content creators talking about what they want. More of this plzz
I'm actually so happy someone finally talked about the gender role shit
I can confirm I got an ad after this video. So the adpocalypse hasn't passed through here yet.
"Nobody wants to stand up to their right to... bondage"
Excuse me, I will.
This is a question of sexual freedom, it is no different from standing up for the right to marry someone of the same gender.
What two consenting adults do in their bedroom is absolutely not the business of a government.
I actually really respect you for videos like this.
The honesty and self-awareness.
I appreciate your Moxie old sport :)
This guy deserves an award for most rational TH-camr 2019!
About a year ago or so, I rewatched all of your old vlogs from the moment you quit your job. And boy was it a great watch, it was like nothing I ever watched before. I hope you'll never delete them so we all can come back to them once, but I guess it's ultimately up to you.
I really enjoyed going low in CSGO. You should just release some un edited footage on 4kliksphilip or something
This was a real good one. I think it's also important to give depictions of prejudice the credit of making something deeper than face value. For example, that Peep Show episode seemed more like a commentary on the standard of being heard in rape cases that men actually face, rather than just being sexist for the sake of comedy or nuance. I'd be afraid of one piece of media really could provide a one-all-be-all answer. Just getting the audience to know how they impact others on a personal-social level is the goal sometimes. Also, June 9th is Straight Pride day! It's yours to celebrate! Nothing's stopping you from walking downtown with zebra stripes and zebra balloons!
Watched early enough to get an ad.
Same about gun laws in america.
---"we want to stop mass shootings, gimmi your guns"
"I dont want to give my guns away"
---"you want more mass shooting eyy?"
"no, I just wanna keep my guns"
---"sounds like a massshooter"
This is the kind of logic that i really hate
Searching people's houses could also be justified that way
*neighbor knocks on the door*
"yes?"
-"i want to search your house"
"no"
-"so you have something illegal?"
"i said no"
-"just let me search it if you have nothing to hide"
I like those old yt videos. As a kid I didn't spend too much time on pc because my parents said it rots your brain and I spent much more time outside. These days kids take things for granted and just turn on pc and open discord and play fortnite with their friends. When I was their age my mind was blow when I found out that you can use Skype and voice chat in Unreal tournament 2004 free trial that I my uncle installed from a questionable site. I only remember a few vids of flash cartoon adult parodies from the Zone archive that I watched but now they are removed. I don't know why I'm even writing this at 3am.
No kid nowadays likes the old days of internet, they are not in that level of creativity and mind, we used to be at those standards that we considered cool and revolutionary, but now those standards are gone, replaced by much worse things and games, no kid nowadays knows Madness Day or New grounds, and never played JUR.
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Interesting video! I’m glad this channel seems to be more vague than your others, as it’s content seems to reflect you more than your fans. I wonder if the internet will eventually become free, but as things go on it seems that it’s just becoming more regulated. It sucks, but we’ll have to combat it best we can while we can I guess.
that was all over the place, but very wise none the less
This is a special video of yours, at least for me. It stands for most of what my opinion on most these things are, including its strange, nearly impossible way to explain how it works inside my head. I like watching it to not forget who I am. Its easy to get caught in the trap of inaction, prejudice, or whatever else it might be at the time, and this video helps me avoid that.
I used to be anti-trans and now I'm trans. People change, people grow up and figure themselves out.
Also, our history is our history, we can't change what we've done in the past, but we damn sure can change what we're doing now.
If you put sleeping pills in coffee do you get tired or do you wake up?
you will feel extremely tired but cant sleep
WAKE ME UP INSIDE
[Can't wake up]
Coffee doesn’t give energy, it only stops the body from making the chemicals that tell the brain you need sleep. Sleeping pills works by giving a ton of that which undercuts the coffees blocking effects, so in my theory you’ll sleep with a nice warm bean juice in your stomach
If it makes you feel any worse, I have offline archives of all your videos through mid 2016 across all your channels so you don't have to worry about deleting anything, it'll all be there if it's needed anyway 👍😉
Okay yes I have archives but no I'm not posting them. I'm not a monster. In fact, one of your photography videos made me realize the potential transient nature of web video, and the importance of keeping what matters to you. In the same way that bad things can get preserved online, good ones can be lost in an instant without anyone ever noticing, which is a shame really.
I hate how this world is becoming so pc
Today it's not socially accepted to say Prostituet in Sweden, it's offensive because it's used as a slur by teenagers. You can even be kicked out of Political groups and parties for using that word. They want you to say "Sex Workers". I personally got kicked out of a Facebook group for using the word Prostituet, when I refused to use sex worker.
The world have a PC (PC = political correctness) problem, everyone have said something that can label you as something that ends with -ism or -phobia. I have personally joked about breaking up with woman who have hair on there legs, I was called sexist even if I explained I joked. For me, its really like screaming wolf wolf, when there is no wolf. If they call me sexist for a joke, when I'm not, you are actually making the word lose its meaning. Me sexist for a joke? no, real sexism is what happens in China, where couples wish for a baby boy, but end up getting a baby girl, where they end up leaving the child. Thats real sexism.
@@Repz98 dont copy and paste large blocks of text, thats spam
I’ve been jokingly referred to as a nazi or a conservative, simply because I try to think about things from those people’s perspectives. I’m thought to be sympathizing with them when in reality I’m trying to understand what caused them to think such terrible things. Not to say that all conservatives are terrible people. I’m friends with a couple conservatives despite being a liberal leaning person myself and I think they are genuinely decent people they just view the world differently and have been taught different things by their parents, friends, and media. To get back to what I was originally talking about, if we learn how something happened we can begin to prevent, that’s how I’ve always felt and how I hope more and more people will feel today. I think things don’t always have to be so complicated but because so many people think so many different things they very often become complicated. Of course, most people probably think this way because most people think what they think is right. I THINK that many things which could be considered controversial aren’t, but are made so because of the number of differing opinions.
I like how you think being liberal is being on the good side while getting called a Nazi for taking on board the other side perspectives.
@@SkinUpMonkey exactly, liberals suck. he should become a leftist!
Is female ejaculation seriously illegal in the uk?
Am i right to assume this law was written by individuals who didn't know or were unwilling to acknowledge they knew what "squirting" is and how it works?
@Glorious Bastard xd
Please do not delete content, sometimes I watch some of your old videos that I know would cheer me up. Not frequently, but I know I can rely on them. Please do not remove that from us, the internet was created to store human content :)
"obviously im not because its illegal”
lol nice!!
I do recall Warner brothers doing a recompilation of their old cartoons, including ones that had racist content. They did put a warning mentioning around the lines of "It wasn't ok back then and it isn't now but we can't pretend it didn't happen, so we show it as it was shown years back". All part of conserving history, including the unsavory one.
Many bad things that were done years back (and some things being done now) aren't ok now and were not ok then. However, if we start digging each other past statements and finding unsavory words only to be used as part of the "cancel culture" then that isn't ok either. People can change perspective with time; be by personal growth, new advances in science, or others. Going out of they way and say "You said this 20 years back!" to harass someone who clearly has changed from such statements, it's clear as day just a provocation and incitement to anger, rather than an honest concern. There are plenty of people who thought, said and specially did terrible things years back and keep doing it, why go after the people who actually changed? Oddly, always someone who has something good going in their lives.
But what do I know.
damn i miss csgo i should start playing again maybe one day
Loved this vid, and would love to see more social commentary from you!
What IS allowed in the UK anyway? You're a few steps away from Ingsoc and no one seems to care. I think Ingsoc was a bit better than current UK because people were very aware of the fact that they were being monitored.
Philip watching Peep Show. That is pretty wholesome. I think you are the only British TH-camr that I watch, but I really enjoy _your_ panel shows and TV shows. Peep show being my favourite, having watched it a few times all over again.
*Sigh*
This country 😧
That sliding about stop-motion video was awesome
In 100 years children will learn about you in school like we did about philosophers who did their 100 years ago.
"I have enough content on my hard drive for another 10 going low videos"
So basically just his normal csgo gameplay...
How can she resign? shes a life long jobseeker xD
This video truly gave me pleasure🌞 we all think same and all but sometimes it is nice to hear that
you should realy know that water sports and female ejaulation are not the same thing :^)
What does female ejaculation mean in this context?
@@niydfass1060 if they try really hard, women can shoot out stuff too(in varying amounts and force).
theres heavy debate on whether the stuff in question is pee or something else, but i suppose there can only be one easily identifiable truth.
Klaus Nasenberg Its literally just urine
Falc0n it’s true, it’s now illegal to piss, heard it here first
Actually it pretty much is the same thing since female ejaculation is just involuntary pissing.
This video gained you a ton of respect from me because everything you said in this video, especially the reversing of the roles, is pretty much how I think.
U gotta sleep sometimes Philip UwU
I myself am not gay, but i support my friends who themselves are lesbians and gays. My family is very conservative and they don't approve of them doing this but accept them about the same as any other human. One of my former friends set out to convert a girl who is my best friend friend by trying to make her straight again and to date him rather than her girlfriend, this tactic of his failed miserably. The part of this that pisses me off so bad is that he turned on her for becoming a male. He openly said to her that it'd be safer to get addicted to drugs and die rather than becoming trans. She cried for a few hours and after i started getting her to calm down she beat the fuck out of him and broke his nose. That was a great sight wish i could've joined in but i was down the hallway and she got pulled off by a teacher.
Well in a way it did work just not on the person he wanted since the girlfriend was a lesbian but now since your friend is now a male that would make the girlfriend straight.
Oi m8 do you have a licence for that fisting?!
I think its important when you flip the argument to suss out if its hypocritical the other way round, that you continue on and ask the next question of WHY that is. A lot of the time (that people seem to care about) there are systemic injustices at play.
expected you to upscale old videos.
Dissapointet
6:50 - 7:10
Although I agree with you with the rape segment from Peep Show, I don't think that this "if the roles were reversed" idea is very applicable to many serious topics it gets used in (eg; gay pride, black lives matter).
Most people I've seen use it generally look at the incident in a bubble and fail to take into account the years, decades or even centuries of history that led up to a specific event, taking your straight pride example and working it with this logic the logical conclusion is "well yes, if gay people are allowed to have a pride parade, why shouldn't straight people have one?" especially in a decade or so once society comes as close as it can to accepting these people.
But then you're just looking at it as a way for people to express themselves, when in reality it's more than that - it's a way to remember people who may have taken their own lives, it's a place for LGBT people to just do whatever they want and (theoretically) not have to put up with anyone trying to shove them down anymore, it's a place for local communities to grow and educate people about the issues LGBT people have faced, and the struggles of the people who started the push to make being LGBT acceptable.
What would straight pride parade be about that couldn't be related to any other festival(eg; a music celebration festival)? They've aren't oppressed by a society for being straight. they've never been called immoral, experimented on, sent to conversion camps or gunned down just for being straight, their isn't a community need for anyone to be educated about straight history, as it's what everyone will always learn in education as a large majority of people in power have been straight, and the ones that aren't usually have that part of them erased in a classroom due to it being seen as "inappropriate" (even though it can help young gay kids fully relate to someone or something)
A lot of gay people also see it as offensive, because it comes pretty close to straight people (who as a group, not individuals) see it as just "the gays are being wild at a parade, that looks so much fun, we want that!" which undermines the creation of it in the first place, and somewhat erases suffering. (and you can kind of relate it to white history but that's a whole other discussion)
I'm not trying to suggest you think any of this stuff by the way, just that I've personally seen a lot of people try and apply that sort of thinking with a "gotcha" moment to bash societal minorities.
I'm glad you made this video, and hope it provokes interesting discussion in the comments section. :)
@@justanotherstarinthesky You don't have to personally feel guilty/hate your race/sexuality, that would be counterproductive. all you have to do is acknowledge the mistakes of the past, and the suffrage these groups go through and look out for people in need of help, no one can ask an individual to do anything more than that.
What the hell, I COMPLETELY disagree with you. Your example regarding the Queen doing a Nazi salute is the PERFECT example to show what you're saying is COMPLETELY wrong. Sure, the Queen doing a Nazi salute after 1945 would be completely unconscionable, but how is the Queen doing a Nazi salute in 1933 not ALSO FUCKING AWFUL? The Nazis were STILL THE NAZIS. Just because they hadn't done the Holocaust yet doesn't mean they were cool guys.
I mean, that's not even getting into how calling for the Queen to resign/abdicate has been completely sensible for about 1000 fucking years considering it's a completely unjust and unfair social hierarchy.
No, I'm sorry. I absolutely hate this stupid argument about "the times being different". People have been saying slavery is wrong since before 100 goddamn BC. The fact that it was completely socially "acceptable" up until the 1800s in most places doesn't mean it was ACTUALLY OK. I understand there are smaller, more granular changes that can catch people out, seemingly unfairly, but defending Nazis in 1930s and racists of the past is NOT the right way to argue this.
The CORRECT fucking people knew the Nazis were wrong and bad since they first started. The fact that a lot of people saw Naziism as socially acceptable up until the Holocaust is not a "get out of jail free" card for people in that society, it's a HUGE CONDEMNATION of how that society operated, and who had power in that society. If you accept that things are good merely because they are socially acceptable, or that things aren't bad because they are accepted (i.e., the occupation of Palestince, the U.S.A. setting up concentration camps, the bombing of Yemen), you are just fucking wrong and bad. It doesn't matter if you are holding that opinion now, or in 100 years where (maybe, depending on how effective the propaganda is) it will be accepted those were bad.
Look, I'm not saying that the times changing should have NO effect on how we view things. I just think that if you look at the history of people making arguments like this, it is generally made by socially conservative and reactionary people. That's because if you are saying something 10 years ago, that we all know was acceptable 10 years ago, or at the age you were, you generally don't need to actually explain it. It's self-explanatory. The only time people need to try to excuse it is when... it really WASN'T OK, even all those years ago.
R. Ringshifter completely agree, also fuck nazis
@@kliksphilip I'm not holding it against the Queen personally, but I think it's completely legitimate we should be asking why our royal family was totally cool with doing a load of Nazi salutes in 1933. Debates about the royals shouldn't be about "how are these individual people", but "what does this institution do and support". So yeah, the main difference is I'm not really asking for Queen Elizabeth the II to abdicate, but for the entire monarchy to be abolished.
But, to be honest, I did forget to take that into account and mostly took what you are saying as "supporting Nazis in 1933 was understandable". So as long as you're not saying that, then I'm not as furious lol.
Still think you are giving racist grannies too much leway though, and that the general idea behind what you're saying is misguided. The racist granny was just as racist when she was younger. Just because it was more socially acceptable doesn't mean the idea wasn't as bad... people have been saying racism is wrong since forever, the fact it was socially acceptable should be a damning indictment of those times, the people who had power in those times, the media in those times etc. etc.
I keep coming back to this video, so many great points brilliantly displayed, something good to think about
Gay pride will still be a thing and straight pride will still be bigoted. The important factor here is the history. Straight people never had to face oppression like gay people. It's not simply pride in your sexuality, it's pride in how far you've come fighting oppression against your sexuality.
Sure, but once they're done with their little crusade, will they disband their templars? Or will they just keep going around just because it gives them attention?
In my opinion "pride" is an oversaturated topic. Not that i have anything against gay people, but the only way to get them to shut up about their constant complaining is to just ignore them.
@@FrederikSeerupNielsen no they won't since they get to party for a whole month.
@@FrederikSeerupNielsen I feel like you didn't even read my comment. It's not a "crusade," there's no organized "templars." It's just a marginalized group of people making their presence known. At its core, pride isn't just a "topic" or a grasp for attention. As I said, it's pride in fighting oppression.
Is it so hard to let people be happy that they are no longer at risk of getting stoned, imprisoned, the death penalty, etc.? That they can finally get married? It's not pointless "complaining" - these are people fighting for their rights, because there are certainly people opposing them.
You could say they're equal now, that it's all fine - but even ignoring things like the fact that in over half of America you can still be fired from your job for being gay, it's worse in most other countries. There are 14 countries that have the death penalty for homosexuality. A total of 71 where it's still illegal, in some cases punishable with up to life imprisonment. Should we not be leading by example? Should we not let their fight for rights be heard on a global scale? I'm sure you can put up with a few news posts about it now and then. It doesn't really affect you otherwise.
Oh man, and I haven't even gotten started on how important it is for kids to see LGBT content in the media. Just you wait till I rant about that.
@@plusonerabbit It affects me because it's unnecessary in the civilised world, if they really wanted to make a REAL difference and actually cared and understood the subject, they would protest in countries like Sudan where there is a death penalty for homosexuality. My point is, yes, gays will always be looked down upon, because it's simply in our nature to think it unnatural to see two men kissing, it goes against our needs as a species, even I, who does not consider themselves a homophobe, recoil when i see two men kissing.
There is no real point in protesting in America and Europe, in fact it worsens the situation, you only alienate people from your cause by shaming them for not being in your group, and the general public who doesn't care for politics will look down on you for bothering them with these needless protests.
And no, kids should not have any sexual content and representation involved in their media whatsoever, the very idea is despicable, and truly disgusts me.
@@FrederikSeerupNielsen Again, you didn't even read my comment. Third paragraph covers your entire first and second paragraphs. Spoiler alert: if you recoil when you see two men kissing, see it as unnatural, and are disgusted by it, you have internalized homophobia. You've got some feelings you need to work out.
I didn't say kids should see sexual content, I said LGBT content. The fact that you consider LGBT and sexual to be one and the same is concerning. It's important for them to know gay people exist and see them portrayed as normal people, because they are normal people. They lead everyday lives like everyone else. When LGBT people don't get representation in media, kids don't ever see that as a possibility, or even worse, if they see it portrayed with terrible stereotypes, they see it as a *bad* possibility. When some of these kids turn out to be gay, it's no wonder the suicide rates are unprecedented. They're taught their entire childhood that being straight is the default, that they'll grow up and get married to the opposite sex, have a big family of biological kids, etc. And when that's not the case? Not even considering outside factors from parents kicking them out of their house, sending them to conversion therapy, etc., they're filled with self-hatred and confusion about their own feelings.
Here's my experience: I'm gay. All my childhood, I was told I was straight. I was told it was the norm, that I'd grow up and fall in love with a woman. I had a lot of female friends in school. I never felt any attraction to them, but everyone always joked about me having a lot of girlfriends, and seeing how men acted in TV, I assumed this must be what everyone else felt. Later on, when I became good friends with some of them, people said I was in love with them. So, to me, love was simply the next step up from friendship. Obviously, I was going about this completely the wrong way, but it was all I knew, and every adult was encouraging this line of thought. Let me repeat: **I didn't know what love was**. Girls would ask me if I "liked" them, and I would say yes, not understanding what they meant. I dated several girls until it finally clicked in my late preteens that something was different.
Looking back, I'm not sure how I convinced myself I was straight for so long, but I just never really questioned it. I'm sure if the question had been presented to me, and if I had really thought about it, I would've realized much sooner. But it never was, because gay people were never in media besides token characters in TV shows. The thought that I had been mislead about what the emotion *love* is sickens me. I was just a kid, so I guess I didn't miss out on much, but it still makes me feel terrible. How did I miss out on what LOVE was for so many years? I never want anyone else to have to go through the painful realization that they've been missing out on such an essential part of the human experience. Seeing LGBT awareness in the media makes me happy, because I know it means there's less kids that will be misled in the way I was.
I know I'm not alone in this - I even had a friend who realized he was bisexual in his mid teens. He'd noticed he felt similarly towards men as women, but never made the connection, because it wasn't presented as an option. Because straight was simply the default, and there was no need to question it if he was attracted to women as well. I don't even want this subject to be a debate, I just want it to be a thing of the past. I don't want anyone to misunderstand who they are.
Sorry for the essay of a TH-cam comment, and I realize you're probably not gonna read all of this, but I figured I may as well shout into the void. It's a topic very dear to me and it's hard to see people misunderstand it on such a fundamental level. I'm not normally super outspoken about this kind of stuff. I don't shout it at people in real life, I "pass" as straight (because apparently gay people look a specific way?) and don't bring up my sexuality unless it's relevant. I don't spam articles about it on Facebook, hell, I haven't even used my Facebook account for the last several years. But, as previously mentioned, I like to talk about it when it's relevant, and this is my comment thread, so here we are. Good practice for debates, I suppose.
This video is a rollercoaster ride
Damn, phillip is WOKE
lets go straight pride .
Unfortunately the only thing your going to get for celebrating being straight is shamed. Isn't that ironic?
@@cattysplat cause straight pride is a closeted way to dab on them gays?
Yoo that Granny (3:42)
gave me major Horror Flashbacks from when I was little lmfao
The queen should resign anyway! Down with the monarchy!
Going low in cs:go is one of my favorite TH-cam series ever, cannot believe that it can rub anyone the wrong way
People who are actually offended by it are total idiots who take a bloody game way too seriously.
Your're exactly right Philip