The concept of diversity ignores one basic fact about human beings: they are drawn to people who are like them, not necessarily in terms of race, but rather their opinions, attitudes, intellect and, most importantly, sense of humour - a characteristic that blood-thirsty, psychotic religious radicals seem to lack.
It’s also paradoxical - based on the concept people can only feel represented if they see someone who shares their ethnicity. Sounds like pandering to racists to me.
@johnvale295 That's exactly why they are trying to destroy it. Diversity is like metastatic cancer, spreads and gobbles up everything, eventually the whole body.
People used travel to experience different cultures ,there was never a need for those cultures to return home with you except perhaps as tourists who would leave and return home after a short period of time .In my childhood in the 50s every shop had a collection box for the black babies .Evertbody wd dutifully deposit their coins in the box but never envisaged that the babies wd grow up and want to come to our country and settle in it .Multi culturalism puts fear in all of us .We are most at ease and happy in a homogenous society 😮
People will eventually rebel. They will. Already anger, resentment and distrust of the people coming in and their governments is openly talked about but never with such vitriol.
What a great conversation, learnt a great deal that i hadnt considered at all in the noise. Particularly, diversity is NOT a value, its a description. There were several other aspects that really shows us much.
Diversity is just another form of multiculturalism which has never worked, only if you want to destroy a country is it going to do what is expected of it...
When immigrants immigrate into different country or culture other than their own, they must assimilate,,, they must become like the people or a country they immigrate to they must assimilate,,, otherwise, there is no point in them immigrating to a new country or culture,,, why is that so hard to understand you must assimilate to the country you immigrate to otherwise stay where you are
How did diversity become a virtue? There is a national identity of each country, at least from where I stand. Freedom, increasingly in the West means we have been inundated by Muslim studies, instead of the other way round, such as Western studies and civilization. We hesitate using Christianity for some reason, while Muslim studies is promoted as if they have no bloody past, only what helped forge our Western ideals. Why is it that we don't look at their past with slavery, only our own? There are Muslim countries where slavery is just a part of life. It feels to me as if former Christian countries are still knocking themselves about, when the West did in fact leave it behind?
Diversity is our greatest strength! The idea that the less people have in common the more harmoniously they will work and live together. Completely obvious in'nit?
The word meritocracy implies equal opportunity based on individual capacity, drive and efficiency. The drive for diversity at the cost of competition and equality is very dangerous for the future.
It benefits those at the top, cheaper labour leads to increased business profits. For the traditional working classes it is a disaster but the people on top will gladly sacrifice them for the 'greater overall benefit to society' in terms of increased gdp and overall wealth. Just don't mention where that extra wealth is going and how it is contributing to the increasing gap between the rich and the poor. This wealth gap is offset in countries with robust and generous welfare provision like Ireland, but they will come for the welfare next because with low wages/cheap labour and high welfare what is the incentive for people at the bottom to work? Nations and their people are becoming playthings for the Neoliberal elite, and it is never the people at the top who bear the consequences of their actions. The Irish taxpayer had to reimburse the bondholders/gamblers and those most vocal about open borders and diversity are the most likely to live in mansions out the country or in affluent neighbourhoods with an almost non-existent share of immigrants compared to everywhere else. Diversity itself is not bad, and taking refugees from warzones is a virtuous act (the fact that it is a virtuous act is forgotten these days) and I'm not arguing that all immigration should be stopped and that countries shouldn't help war refugees, but what I am saying is that it must be managed in a practical way and not a gullible big hearted way and it must be done in a way that does not disadvantage the working classes or undermine the social fabric of any region (20 migrants being put in a village of 30 people for example). The rise in far right rhetoric and racism has been caused by the very neoliberal elites of society who have caused there to be competition between those at the bottom - the country's traditional working classes and unskilled migrants. Diversity is a beautiful thing, but not when it is managed like this.
Race is a lot more than color. In fact, that's probably the least important aspect of it, which is why the poisoners loudly trumpeted it in the streets when they set society to burn.
It is not true that we don't have scholars and philosophers studying the theories of Jihadism. Sam Harris is very outspoken about it. The problem is that we don't listen.
The bone of contention seems to be the integration of Islamic beliefs into western democratic systems. Even Islamic societies themselves are grappling with that issue, whether to be more open or less so. I think India is a good example where a Muslim community has existed for a thousand years but has always remained distinct and separate. Under Nehru and Gandhi India was a secular state, treating people as individuals was the priority. As we move away from the secular ideal, and group identity becomes more important, then the ideal of diversity becomes more difficult to achieve.
The problem with India on independence was that the Muslims refused to be part of a secular state, they insisted on having their own Islamic country… Hence partition and Pakistan and East Pakistan ( now Bangladesh). Muslims will not integrate into other societies..they demand and their religion requires, that others integrate to their culture and society.
When we talk about culture and diversity, collectivism is always implicit. Collectivism and multiculturalism is the perfect recipe for conflict and civil war. Values, laws, rights, and responsibilities must be for individuals and not for groups.
Forcing people to deal with and be around others they don't want to be is not going to do anything besides cause problems. And who exactly decides when a neighborhood, workplace, school or anywhere else is "diverse" enough?! As far as scools and workplaces, those who are not skilled or have actually earned the position are just taking away from those that have earned the right to be there. And generally, those that have not earned something also show no appreciation for what they have, but feel other things should be handed to them just because!
If the colonists bring education, infrastructure, systems of government and law, technology, medicine, ideas ... then yes! eg the british everywhere. But if they merely come to rape loot and pillage like Islam in Byzantium, Armenia or India- then no. And no, I am certainly not european .
A group of people can only be successful if they share equal values and goals. Look at the French Foreign Legion. That is the only organisation where multiethniticy really works, because they all share the mutual value "Legio Patria Nostra" (The Legion is our family). Everybody living the way they want under a government without equal values doesn't work. Especially if those who enter a society don't attribute to it's success but draw from it.
I couldn't agree more .We have lost our identity ,OUR culture, our way.of life, the way we dress ,the way we learn,what we think.is right and wrong, and our laws and religions.I just hope it's not too late to do something about it. These people who are taking over our country need to be dispersed, if they won't integrate properly they should be sent back to their own countries and tell them to get on with it and stop demanding that we change to their ways.I fear for this country and the western world's values and ideals. I don't want that for my country.I want to walk down the streets without fear, hear English speaking voices and understand what people are saying to me without heavily accented words or no English at all.There's going to be a revolution one day but it will be the end of the free world as all these jihadists and extreme criminal groups are infiltrating our country We are allowing fanatic islamists to come to our country and there will be so many eventually that we won't stand a chance if and when they decide to take over the government by force as is the norm for them in their own countries Wake up Britain. .
🌍🌄🌎 Muslims are per capita in the UK donate the most money to charity, mainly to MUSLIM countries but a ever increasing amount to food banks, soup kitchens in the UK.. also donating money to hospices ....
Well, since education is an integral part of socialization, yah, hat has ALWAYS bee the case. But don't worry - I know what you are trying to articulate,
Diversity goes well when you have same outlook to world, mostly like immigrants in usa In europe, this is completely mishandled by ignoring there to be seen facts.
Ppl have to move to larger more powerful countries when they have nothing bc those countries have drawn the borders of the smaller countries to keep them at war, and scoured the wealth from them, then we act like we don't know that and blame them for doing it to themselves
There is no stopping multiculturalism now. The world is shrinking in every which way. Faster transportation, mass tourism, international students, global trade, international media, the English language, global sports, the internet, modern communications, and intermarriage, are all bringing people together on an enormous scale. Low native birthrates, and the associated need for migrant labor, are doing the same. Since it is inevitable and irreversible, I just accept it. Oh, and I trust many of the foreigners as much or more than I trust many of my fellow countrymen. The only countries that have few, or no foreigners now tend to be a handful of economic basket cases.
So which world do you live in then, because it seems very different from most other peoples reality. Go and check the level of diversity in China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, India or any Arabian country.
@@martinsaunders2942 Japan is NOT diverse. It’s also the most successful country on your list. The rest all have problems because of diversity. It’s shocking you’d even use them.
Multicultural America is the world's strongest and most advanced country in a variety of fields. No other country has an economy of over $26 trillion in size.
If racial diversity makes a country stronger, then all true supporters of Israel should commit to opening up Israel's borders in order to make that country stronger
Not because of multi culti. Those immigrants came to benefit from a rich america. All the ideas are still from those of European origin. The few that come from others is due to the education based on european culture that those others received in the us. The others don't add value. They are in the anglosphere purely to avail of the many benefits that they do not get in their own nations - because the people of their nations don't build successful systems like the west does.
The concept of diversity ignores one basic fact about human beings: they are drawn to people who are like them, not necessarily in terms of race, but rather their opinions, attitudes, intellect and, most importantly, sense of humour - a characteristic that blood-thirsty, psychotic religious radicals seem to lack.
It’s also paradoxical - based on the concept people can only feel represented if they see someone who shares their ethnicity.
Sounds like pandering to racists to me.
diversity. was macro, now its micro.
In terms of race too.
That’s right,, that is also the reason why communism has never worked,, the communist refuse, or are unable to understand human nature
@johnvale295 That's exactly why they are trying to destroy it. Diversity is like metastatic cancer, spreads and gobbles up everything, eventually the whole body.
People arnt just questioning diversity, people are starting to yell that 'Enough is Enough'.
Diversity before skill is just dangerous
People used travel to experience different cultures ,there was never a need for those cultures to return home with you except perhaps as tourists who would leave and return home after a short period of time .In my childhood in the 50s every shop had a collection box for the black babies .Evertbody wd dutifully deposit their coins in the box but never envisaged that the babies wd grow up and want to come to our country and settle in it .Multi culturalism puts fear in all of us .We are most at ease and happy in a homogenous society 😮
People will eventually rebel. They will. Already anger, resentment and distrust of the people coming in and their governments is openly talked about but never with such vitriol.
What a great conversation, learnt a great deal that i hadnt considered at all in the noise. Particularly, diversity is NOT a value, its a description. There were several other aspects that really shows us much.
The most diverse countries are the least stable, least prosperous, least democratic and most violent. Terrible idea. Time to admit it.
The USA is more diverse than Yemen.
Diversity is just another form of multiculturalism which has never worked, only if you want to destroy a country is it going to do what is expected of it...
When immigrants immigrate into different country or culture other than their own, they must assimilate,,, they must become like the people or a country they immigrate to they must assimilate,,, otherwise, there is no point in them immigrating to a new country or culture,,, why is that so hard to understand you must assimilate to the country you immigrate to otherwise stay where you are
That's what Napoleon said but tines have changed.
How did diversity become a virtue? There is a national identity of each country, at least from where I stand. Freedom, increasingly in the West means we have been inundated by Muslim studies, instead of the other way round, such as Western studies and civilization. We hesitate using Christianity for some reason, while Muslim studies is promoted as if they have no bloody past, only what helped forge our Western ideals. Why is it that we don't look at their past with slavery, only our own? There are Muslim countries where slavery is just a part of life. It feels to me as if former Christian countries are still knocking themselves about, when the West did in fact leave it behind?
Diversity is our greatest strength! The idea that the less people have in common the more harmoniously they will work and live together. Completely obvious in'nit?
More like completely dumb.
The slogan is accurate and makes complete sense once you know who "our" is.
notice what people are the biggest proponents of diversity. these are the same people causing problems all over the world.
Just look at Yugoslavia.
The word meritocracy implies equal opportunity based on individual capacity, drive and efficiency. The drive for diversity at the cost of competition and equality is very dangerous for the future.
It benefits those at the top, cheaper labour leads to increased business profits. For the traditional working classes it is a disaster but the people on top will gladly sacrifice them for the 'greater overall benefit to society' in terms of increased gdp and overall wealth. Just don't mention where that extra wealth is going and how it is contributing to the increasing gap between the rich and the poor.
This wealth gap is offset in countries with robust and generous welfare provision like Ireland, but they will come for the welfare next because with low wages/cheap labour and high welfare what is the incentive for people at the bottom to work?
Nations and their people are becoming playthings for the Neoliberal elite, and it is never the people at the top who bear the consequences of their actions. The Irish taxpayer had to reimburse the bondholders/gamblers and those most vocal about open borders and diversity are the most likely to live in mansions out the country or in affluent neighbourhoods with an almost non-existent share of immigrants compared to everywhere else.
Diversity itself is not bad, and taking refugees from warzones is a virtuous act (the fact that it is a virtuous act is forgotten these days) and I'm not arguing that all immigration should be stopped and that countries shouldn't help war refugees, but what I am saying is that it must be managed in a practical way and not a gullible big hearted way and it must be done in a way that does not disadvantage the working classes or undermine the social fabric of any region (20 migrants being put in a village of 30 people for example).
The rise in far right rhetoric and racism has been caused by the very neoliberal elites of society who have caused there to be competition between those at the bottom - the country's traditional working classes and unskilled migrants.
Diversity is a beautiful thing, but not when it is managed like this.
I dare to question it should be abolished, if someone can do the job better then its better over colour.
Race is a lot more than color. In fact, that's probably the least important aspect of it, which is why the poisoners loudly trumpeted it in the streets when they set society to burn.
Equality of opportunity is what makes the United States strong, equity is communism and not legal here.
It is not true that we don't have scholars and philosophers studying the theories of Jihadism. Sam Harris is very outspoken about it. The problem is that we don't listen.
No time for listening now. Time only for action and resistance.
@@vaguelyright6833Act and resist what?
@@RetelTulio The enemy within.
The bone of contention seems to be the integration of Islamic beliefs into western democratic systems. Even Islamic societies themselves are grappling with that issue, whether to be more open or less so. I think India is a good example where a Muslim community has existed for a thousand years but has always remained distinct and separate. Under Nehru and Gandhi India was a secular state, treating people as individuals was the priority. As we move away from the secular ideal, and group identity becomes more important, then the ideal of diversity becomes more difficult to achieve.
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The problem with India on independence was that the Muslims refused to be part of a secular state, they insisted on having their own Islamic country… Hence partition and Pakistan and East Pakistan ( now Bangladesh). Muslims will not integrate into other societies..they demand and their religion requires, that others integrate to their culture and society.
Diversity is not mistaken as long as Islamist not in there....👍👍👍
When we talk about culture and diversity, collectivism is always implicit. Collectivism and multiculturalism is the perfect recipe for conflict and civil war.
Values, laws, rights, and responsibilities must be for individuals and not for groups.
Actually it's questioned by the majority but the media and politicians ignore it.
Forcing people to deal with and be around others they don't want to be is not going to do anything besides cause problems. And who exactly decides when a neighborhood, workplace, school or anywhere else is "diverse" enough?! As far as scools and workplaces, those who are not skilled or have actually earned the position are just taking away from those that have earned the right to be there. And generally, those that have not earned something also show no appreciation for what they have, but feel other things should be handed to them just because!
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It is OK to colonise, please make a discussion on that.
If the colonists bring education, infrastructure, systems of government and law, technology, medicine, ideas ... then yes! eg the british everywhere. But if they merely come to rape loot and pillage like Islam in Byzantium, Armenia or India- then no.
And no, I am certainly not european .
A group of people can only be successful if they share equal values and goals. Look at the French Foreign Legion. That is the only organisation where multiethniticy really works, because they all share the mutual value "Legio Patria Nostra" (The Legion is our family). Everybody living the way they want under a government without equal values doesn't work. Especially if those who enter a society don't attribute to it's success but draw from it.
I love Natalia Borza's Ponytail!
I couldn't agree more .We have lost our identity ,OUR culture, our way.of life, the way we dress ,the way we learn,what we think.is right and wrong, and our laws and religions.I just hope it's not too late to do something about it. These people who are taking over our country need to be dispersed, if they won't integrate properly they should be sent back to their own countries and tell them to get on with it and stop demanding that we change to their ways.I fear for this country and the western world's values and ideals. I don't want that for my country.I want to walk down the streets without fear, hear English speaking voices and understand what people are saying to me without heavily accented words or no English at all.There's going to be a revolution one day but it will be the end of the free world as all these jihadists and extreme criminal groups are infiltrating our country We are allowing fanatic islamists to come to our country and there will be so many eventually that we won't stand a chance if and when they decide to take over the government by force as is the norm for them in their own countries Wake up Britain. .
🌍🌄🌎 Muslims are per capita in the UK donate the most money to charity, mainly to MUSLIM countries but a ever increasing amount to food banks, soup kitchens in the UK.. also donating money to hospices ....
Education is already a political instrument.
Well, since education is an integral part of socialization, yah, hat has ALWAYS bee the case. But don't worry - I know what you are trying to articulate,
Diversity goes well when you have same outlook to world, mostly like immigrants in usa
In europe, this is completely mishandled by ignoring there to be seen facts.
Joke title?
Ppl have to move to larger more powerful countries when they have nothing bc those countries have drawn the borders of the smaller countries to keep them at war, and scoured the wealth from them, then we act like we don't know that and blame them for doing it to themselves
Oh this is too much bullshit for Wednesday
It was picked up from the USA?
Not true, we do question, in private. We all do it privatly because if we do it in public we are imidiatly called racists.
There is no stopping multiculturalism now. The world is shrinking in every which way. Faster transportation, mass tourism, international students, global trade, international media, the English language, global sports, the internet, modern communications, and intermarriage, are all bringing people together on an enormous scale. Low native birthrates, and the associated need for migrant labor, are doing the same. Since it is inevitable and irreversible, I just accept it.
Oh, and I trust many of the foreigners as much or more than I trust many of my fellow countrymen. The only countries that have few, or no foreigners now tend to be a handful of economic basket cases.
Islamic leaders don't like multiculturalism
The complete opposite is happening from what your saying. Diversity is dragging down the formerly successful countries
So which world do you live in then, because it seems very different from most other peoples reality. Go and check the level of diversity in China, Japan, Indonesia, Malaysia, India or any Arabian country.
@@martinsaunders2942
Japan is NOT diverse. It’s also the most successful country on your list. The rest all have problems because of diversity. It’s shocking you’d even use them.
Poland is officially the safest and fastest growing country in Europe - I wonder why? 🤔
Multicultural America is the world's strongest and most advanced country in a variety of fields. No other country has an economy of over $26 trillion in size.
If racial diversity makes a country stronger, then all true supporters of Israel should commit to opening up Israel's borders in order to make that country stronger
Our law in the United States is equality, diversity is not legal construct.
Not because of multi culti. Those immigrants came to benefit from a rich america. All the ideas are still from those of European origin. The few that come from others is due to the education based on european culture that those others received in the us. The others don't add value. They are in the anglosphere purely to avail of the many benefits that they do not get in their own nations - because the people of their nations don't build successful systems like the west does.
Wow, I found the Nazis.
Yeah, let me guess - you do not agree with their view so they must be Nazis. You are a simpleton.
Diversity really sucks