Changing the Australian flag is a topic that deserves greater consideration than this video alone provides. Comments have been kept open to allow for civil discussion on this matter. Before commenting, please consider reading our in-depth explanation of the case for a new Australian flag: www.tripleunionflag.com/why/
I support Australia having its own flag however the colours clash on this design and it suffers from the problem of dividing Australians into 3 groups. Even according to the explanation given in this video, the background colours represent different groups of people. So it is a divisive design. No divisive flag can suitably represent any nation which is supposed to be united.
I don’t see it as divisive when it is represented in its full form, but when it is in it’s shield form, I feel the whole point of unity is lost. It becomes a shield that implies the custodians and colonists are valued more than those who come after.
Still, it can't be denied that Australia was one of the colonies of the British Empire and the rest of the independent countries who broke away from it had their own flags. The current flag of Australia had become a butt of jokes because it was compared with New Zealand's flag, which had the same Southern Cross design
I don't support changing the flag and before you say I'm racist I am a aboriginal man and I love that flag I don't care about colonial stuff the flag represents all Australians including my people
Great thought went into the flag and we like how the design can be changed around for the shield idea and other official flags. But we also think there are a number of issues. 1. The black and blue have very poor contrast. 2. Changing the Commonwealth Star to 8 points means the flag has three different star designs (5, 7 and 8 pointed stars) and this makes the flag more complicated and confusing. 3. The stolen land symbolism is highly divisive. 4. It doesn't have a canton but the upper hoist is still the most prominent part of the flag and therefore the Aboriginal placement still gives them superiority over the other two groups.
Thank you for the kind words and thoughtful feedback on this flag design. We very much appreciate it. We would like to take this opportunity to address the concerns that you have raised about the design of the Triple Union Flag: 1. The decision to place black and blue fields next to each other is a compromise between ideal flag design, simplicity and recognisability. While it is not ideal to place these colours next to each other due to their tendency to appear too similar to the human eye, separating these three sectors with more design elements would overcomplicate the design. Alternatively, choosing different colours for the flag (such as a lighter blue) would undermine the clear connection between the Triple Union Flag and existing Australian flag designs. The chosen blue for this flag is Pantone 286C which is the brightest and most saturated blue colour of the standardised colour system. Provided manufacturing and printing protocols recognise the need for appropriate contrast between black and blue, and are tailored to achieve this, the choice of colours in this flag should not be a major concern. Indeed, several other official flags, such as the flag of South Sudan and the Torres Strait Islander Flag, are designed with blue and black fields placed next to each other. As a proof of concept, the Triple Union Flag has been manufactured with accurate reproduction of its colours. You can view images of this flag on our Instagram account: instagram.com/tripleunionflag/ 2. The design of the Triple Union Flag divides the Australian Flag into three distinct sectors to represent three different groups of people. Changing the number of points of the stars in this design, so that each sector contains unique stars, is a deliberate design choice to achieve this effect. There is only one difference between the stars of the current Australian Flag and the Triple Union Flag - a single point added to the largest star. This simple change can hardly be considered to be overcomplicating the design, especially given that the Union Jack, arguably more complicated on its own than any part of the design of the Triple Union Flag, is not a feature of this alternative Australian Flag design. 3. It should be noted that the symbolism of stolen Indigenous land is only one aspect and possible interpretation of the design of the Triple Union Flag. Nevertheless, this symbolism does not represent a controversial ideology but rather a historical fact. This is in contrast to the Union Jack in the canton of the current Australian Flag which is an intentionally designed symbol of the superior might of the British Empire. The oppression of First Nations people, and the dispossession of their lands, directly informs the reality of present-day Australia. The fact that acknowledgement of this reality is seen as divisive, while representations of colonial and post-colonial history remain unchallenged, suggests that it is an inadequate comprehension of Australian history, rather than the design of this flag, that is to blame for this divisiveness. 4. The design of the Triple Union Flag seeks to disrupt the form of the current Australian Flag which implies superiority of that which is contained in the canton on the upper hoist side of the flag. It is this flag design element, and not simply the placement of symbols in the upper hoist side of the flag, which has this specific connotation of superiority. As First Nations people are the descendants of the first Australians, the placement of the sector that represents them in the upper hoist side of the flag rightly grants them special recognition. However, it does not imply superiority - certainly not, at the very least, in the same way as the canton does in the current Australian Flag. The Triple Union Flag is a symbol of unity that is based on the convergence of three sectors at equal angles. Unlike the canton in the current Australian Flag, which can be easily replaced with another flag or symbol, the sectors of the Triple Union Flag are distinct yet related elements of a larger whole that only make sense within the form they create when combined together. No one sector in the Triple Union Flag can be considered to be superior to another.
@@tripleunionflag Thanks for your detailed response! Despite some of our criticisms, we like this flag overall, it's certainly very striking! Best of luck getting the flag out there and promoting it to the people of Australia. G'day, mate!
@@tripleunionflag There's nothing unique about the Aboriginal experience (of being a conquered human group). Unnecessary politically correct/"woke" pandering and symbolism won't change anything. What's your attitude towards every American you meet; whether from the USA, Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Argentina etc etc? Do you state their flags are "inappropriate" for not having some symbolic reference in recognition of conquered inhabitants? What about two other famous examples of this same premise like Turkey & Japan? What would you say to a Turkish or Japanese person regarding their flags?!
Fun facts: The only British Overseas Territory flag that doesn't have the Union flag is Gibraltar! The flag was adopted in November 1982 and is based on Gibraltar's coat of arms, granted by Royal Warrant from Queen Isabella I of Castile in July 1502! The castle represents its status as a strategic fortress, while the key represents Gibraltar being the key to the Mediterranean. And while Anguilla's flag has the Union flag, the shield on the flag is based off the Three Dolphins Flag during the brief time that Anguilla was its own country called the Republic of Anguilla in the 1960s (basically Anguilla kicked out St Kitts police and voted to leave St Kitts to be their own colony, then voted to become a republic, and finally the UK sent 300 troops). I definitely agree that the Seychelles flag stands out. That, Kiribati, Bhutan, Kazakhstan, and Barbados are my top five favorite country flags. The oblique bands of the Seychelles flag symbolize a dynamic new country moving into the future. Blue depicts the sky and the sea that surrounds the islands, yellow symbolizes the sun, red symbolizes the people and their determination to work for the future in unity and love, white symbolizes social justice and harmony, and finally the green depicts the land and natural environment that makes the Seychelles famous.
Exceptions exist, man, but the video refers to the majority of British Overseas Territories such as Montserrat, British Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos, Pitcairn Islands, and Falkland Islands
My thoughts are that this flag is much too busy and complicated. The colours jar. I believe we need to follow the Canadian (and other modern) examples, which simply present one stylised symbol of the country. This symbol should bring no historical garbage with it, and be something new that all Australians can adopt and rally around. I also find it interesting that the conservatives among us who want to preserve “the flag our soldiers fought under” are in error. Our soldiers (may God bless them) fought under the red ensign, which is the same design as the present flag, but RED not blue.
Lots of criticism in the comments. I feel like the flag is being held to standards that not even popular flags can stand to . In all honesty I love it, strong symbolism and really thoughtful design. A shame it doesn't seem to have gotten much traction.
It’s getting criticism because it’s an absolute disgrace of a design. It’s probably the only proposed Australian flag that somehow manages to piss off *every* ethnic group on the continent. The video keeps reiterating how the flag supposedly symbolises unity… and then goes on to show how divisive it is in every aspect of it.
@@KasabianFan44 Bro, that is misinterpretation of the flag, man. The flag tells the story of Australia's diverse people and how they came to be to form what is Australia today. Let's do a little experiment, alright? Try to draw a circle with its center in the intersection of the three sectors of the said flag, which would now become a pie, and each one of those sectors/slices represent one of the key chapters in Australia's history. Now, you try to take out one to two slices out of the graphical pie, you will then have the remaining slices not forming a complete circle at all, meaning to say, taking out any of the slices can mean that you don't sincerely acknowledge the key part of Australia's history
@@joseenriquejoson1994 Your “experiment” is the lamest analogy I have ever read mate. Do you even know what an _experiment_ is? You’re basically saying “the three *separate* slices of the history pie represent unity” - essentially repeating what the video said (thanks mate, but I was able to watch the video all by myself), but not providing any concrete explanation of how this unity is represented on the flag. They are just three random events, and you could argue that history itself is what brings them together - but this flag most certainly doesn’t. As for the “white border” thing - this doesn’t even make any sense. Three separate pieces are three separate pieces, whether they have a white line between them or not. This is nothing but your personal interpretation of what counts as “divisions”, and trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. Nice try bud. I sure hope you never become a journalist, because that’s just not how facts work. And to answer your question about the golden wattle flag - yes, it’s miles better compared to this abomination. It’s definitely not my favourite, but I’d still much rather have that as my flag. Hell, I would even rather keep the current flag than switch to this thing. Oh and the comment about “me being the only pissed one” is a hilarious lack of self-awareness. I’m pretty calm here, just expressing my personal opinion. Meanwhile, you just sent me no fewer than FOUR angry replies to my comment, in which you sound genuinely offended at what I said. Lol. What a hypocrite.
@@KasabianFan44 Look, I am really sorry for what happened earlier. I think your idea of the Golden Wattle may also work for the new Australian flag, but I think it would also help to make it co-official next to the Triple Union Flag with better tweaking of the colors next to it such as the other official flags Uruguay has apart from the National Pavilion one
I feel like if you need a 26 min. long video to explain the meaning of the flag design, maybe its a little overcomplicated. Combining elements of old flags seems to be a dead end for a truly unique and contemporary design. I personally think the golden wattle design is really good! Since those are the national colors, why not take a fresh approach and create something entirely new.
It literally has another countries flag on our flag it literally has no creativity. We need a flag that represents every Australian, not just British Australians, every Australian like Dutch, Chinese, Greek, French and etc
@@Shadoww844Hawaii has a union jack in their flag & they love it. Also, there are 3 other countries with a union jack: New Zealand, Fiji, and Tuvalu. Tuvalu tried changing their flag before, but it got backlash, so they changed it back. The only reason Hawaii isn't a country is because of the USA.
Ironically, while discussing misintepretting flag symbolism, you misinterpreted an aspect of the South African flag. While its understandable why you'd assume the red, white and blue section of the flag represents the dutch flag, it doesn't. It represents both the (dutch) Afrikaners and the British. The red was deliberately chosen to be neither the dutch nor the British red for this purpose.
Absolutely, just because a lot of thought went into this video doesn’t mean it’s good. I don’t like the current Australian flag either, but the flag in this video is very divisive. A new Australian flag should have neutral symbols all Australians can get behind & not any explicit symbolism of aboriginal or white Australians.
The yellow on the Timor-Leste flag (by the way: Timor comes from timur which means east in Malay and Leste means east in Portuguese, so its name is literally East East) not only represents the independence struggle but also the traces of colonialism in the nation's history, as in the yellow found on the Portuguese flag. And the Mauritanian flag originally didn't include red! Between 2011 and 2017, Mauritania and Jamaica were the only two country flags without red, white, or blue. But under a referendum which also abolished the Mauritanian senate, both the flag and the anthem were changed. The anthem was changed to...Diet 20th Century Fox. Libya also once had a flag without red, white, or blue but that changed in 2011. So it's just Jamaica now. Another iconic flag is the DPRK flag! The red of the flag symbolizes the bloodshed by the Korean patriots and the invincible might of the people firmly united to support the Republic. The white symbolizes one land, one language, one culture of a monoethnic country, which has lived in purity. And blue stands for the gallant visage of the people and symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people fighting for world peace and progress.
I admire the thought which has gone into this, but the most important thing that a flag must do is inspire a sense of patriotism, and I get no such feeling looking at this, it just looks like a bunch of different flags thrown together. Yes, the southern cross is absolutely required on any new flag for Australia, and yes, aboriginal representation must equally be a part of it. But the Australian Colours are green and gold, and a new flag must represent that. There are many ways that the aboriginal peoples can be represented without just sticking the aboriginal flag on the design, which is effectively what this does, despite the claiming that the red represents the red ensign. A new flag needs to harmonise the aboriginal people with the later settlers, and be something that everyone can stand behind. I think this keeps the divide between the peoples, just says they are both represented, which hardly seems much better.
For any non-Australians watching this, please be aware that the vast majority of Australians do not agree with the message of this video, and are happy with the current flag. If a referendum happened the flag proposed in the video definitely be unsuccessful.
Frankly, I get the feeling that majority of Australians have gone nuts in the last few years. Changing the flag? Voting about having some freaky aboriginal councils or whatever? That shit is nuts.
For any non-Australians watching this video, we live in a social democracy. Ergo I cannot speak for all Australians with respect to how they'll vote in an election let alone a flag.
Someone certainly found a way to keep themselves busy during the pandemic! A great design convincingly presented. Well done! Hadn't heard of this until today. The algorithm is so weird. What happened to make this appear in my feed randomly? (not complaining) 👍
Tremendously well researched and presented argument from a symbolic standpoint. From an artistic point of view I'm slightly less convinced but ultimately that is just a personal opinion anyway. It might just be a case of 'getting familiar with it'. Very impressive.
@@croweater6814 The Canton is traditionally rectangular, which this flag clearly doesn't use. Instead it's dedicating only a quarter of the flag to represent the indigenous people, another quarter for the colonial rule and a full half on equal standing with the others as the present & future of all Australians. It's honestly quite ingenious. Perhaps it could be reversed, with the star layout flipped so it's not a mirror image, with the Blue half along the mast shaft and the other quater's on the other side. This would prioritise the present and future of all Australians while keeping the intent of the design in place. It would also form the more typical Unity shape with the lateral line pointed away from the Mast. That revision ought to satisfy your point of objection I believe, yes?
@@soulsurvivor8293 considering indigenous people are one ethnic group and comprise 3% of the population in a multicultural society. And the disc is in the position of prominence, I stand by my statement.
I adore this flag and resonate with the arguments put forward. As a Aussie vexillographer I believe this flag is the most common sense option x creative.
You say that replacing the Union Flag in the canton with the Aboriginal Flag should not be done, as superiority would simply be transferred from one group to another. Then you proceed to do precisely that. Angling the division line makes no difference, the flag still has a canton.
As from graphic designer perspective, I really loved how you explained the Australian triple union flag design, functionality, uniqueness, secrets, meaning of colors, symbols, alignment, size everything in detail! If you designed this flag by yourself, than you're a very talented, unique, hard working and very open designer! 👏🏻👏🏻🇦🇺
@@1977ajax I mean all of the 'professional designers' that made the possible NZ flag redesigns ended up making what were basically boring corporate logos
As a American, I find this flag to be perfect for Australia, most of the previous alternate designs for an Australian flag has been un-stylish, and un-traditional. The flag promotes both Indigenous and colonial equality, My only critique is the idea of stolen land all land is "Stolen" and conquered but atlast, I understand the necessity.
It is stolen land and is recognised as such in Australia. We don't need an illinformed american sharing their illinformed views on a national topic. Bye bye now.
I also find it to be the perfect flag for America but replace the relevant parts, one for the native Indians, one for the Black Americans, one for the White Americans the one for the rest of who come to the United States of America. What you think?
@@fatheranthony4popeIronically, the same people who claim that Australia & the USA are stolen land don't call Argentina, Brazil, Uruguaya, and North African Arab countries such as Alegria stolen land despite indigenous peoples including the berbers in North Africa being genocided.
@@alongsleep Haha, you just outed yourself as an old turd clinging to the vestiges of colonialism. You're old. You're disgusting. You voted against same-sex marriage because your pathetic 2,000-year-old book of desert mysticism vaguely suggested that you do so. I hate old dinosaurs like you.
@@alongsleep What's the matter, boomer? Are you getting mad? Is steam coming out of your ears? Your whole generation is a joke. All you know how to do is start wars and be mad at immigrants.
3:22 that is not the flag of Europe that is such a wrong statement. It is the flag of the European union, a trade union, that doesn't include every European country. Some of the mist important European countries are not in the EU
I'm from the US and wish our flag could change. I was a child of 6 or 7 seeing the flag-draped caskets of the troops returned from Vietnam on the tv so I have never felt good about the flag. Maybe taking pride in our astronauts would have helped, but then I quickly learned about President Nixon lying about the war and the flag came to symbolize a killing machine. That conviction settled in my mind long before I learned about the deaths of the non-Americans in our wars.
As an Australian with indigenous blood, my father being Aboriginal, we Wiradjuri mob... I must say, this 'Triple union flag' is awful... I, myself as an Aboriginal man, I don't have an issue with the current flag, nor do anyone in my family, I feel, in my own opinion, changing the flag just leads to further segregation and division. But if this will help bring us ALL together so be it. You spent almost 10 mins in the video slagging off the meaning of having the UK in the canton and following old colonial traditions... But then you've kept the colours & put the sun and black up in the canton, no sense has been made... If you're going to get rid of the Union Jack all together you're going to have to get rid of the blue too. The blue isn't Australia's colour. Neither the blacks or the whites, it was a background expenditure of the Scottish St. Andrew Satire. The southern cross isn't unique to us either, I'd drop that too.. The only people the new flag needs to incorporate, is Aboriginal People of this Great Southern land and Australians, that's it. I'm not being racist but why would we need a flag to represent the world or immigrants? No one does it for us. Immigrants that come to Australia become Australians anyway through citizenship, the flag will be theirs once they become Australian. And, if they're born here to immigrant parents, then they're Australian by birth anyway... I'd propose a horizontal tricolour flag of 'Green, white and gold with a red sun and black beams in the centre', representing the indigenous peoples gathered around the sun at a meeting place. Any idea is an idea. Australia's colours are Green and Gold.... Green on top, Gold on the bottom, Separate them by white (white is a colour of Peace.. Peace between the two) Aboriginal colours are Black, Red & Yellow... Red & black sun in the centre of the flag ontop of the white background... Yellow and Gold are fairly similar the gold could represent both nationalities. Seeing as we are still a constitutional monarchy we keep the original Australian flag as a Royal flag only. Basically what Canada has done. Again, this is just my idea. No matter what change is done, you're not going to please everyone. Unless we all work together there is going to be division and segregation in this country and for and we can't keep blaming colonisation, something that happened over 200 years ago. We aren't a colony anymore, the whites here today aren't the ones that colonised and the blacks here today aren't the nomad wanderers the colonisers thought we were. It's upto us, today to start unifying as ONE. If you took the time to read this, thank you for reading and understanding.
@@CheeseyBoi10 Well no, India's flag is saffron (orange) white and green... Australia's colours are gold and green. Also, there are many flags that are similar in colours and designs, yet each flag is unique to that specific country.. India and Niger share and almost identical flag, Ireland and Côte d'Ivoire do also.. They all have the exact same colours.. Where my proposal would be more along the lines of say Sucumbíos of Ecuador or Sesquilé of Colombia.. The gold would be more of a darker yellow than orange.
Interesting proposal! My only problem with tricolours, whether vertical or horizontal, is that they've pretty much been done to death, and feel like pretty much the most common design a flag could possibly go for, AKA France, Germany, Ireland, Peru, Nigeria, Bolivia, the Netherlands, Russia, Belgium, Argentina, India, Italy, etc, etc, etc. That's why I personally like the Triple-Union Flag, it's more than just a couple of colourful rectangles with an emblem on it, but I admit the symbolism in your proposed design does indeed hold weight!
>The southern cross isn't unique to us either, I'd drop that too.. It's there, unchanged, to assure continuity and recognition of the current flag. it's there on the Canberra flag for instance. >why would we need a flag to represent the world or immigrants? because non-indigenous people were born here without necessarily being ill-intentioned, they're living in Australia too. >'Green, white and gold with a red sun and black beams in the centre' representing the indigenous peoples That's great and all but once again the goal of the video isn't a redesign of the aboriginal flag, but of the national flag. You might be missing the point of the video.
@@abarette_ Okay none of your points rectify any issues though... First point, the southern cross is on the flag of Canberra & I am more than aware of the meaning for it. I've stated that the southern cross is not unique to Australia... It is seen all over the southern hemisphere, it is even on the flag of Brazil, a world away. Next. Second point... By immigrants I'm not referring to Australians, if you read by comment properly, I'm not being rude in any way, or I'm not trying to be rude, but you trying to nitpick what I've stated and trying to pull it apart and then you're trying to make your own points with things I didn't state... Immigrants is referring to people coming here not people born here as Australians... I shall recap what I wrote seeing as you must have misread [3rd paragraph ". Immigrants that come to Australia become Australians anyway through citizenship, the flag will be theirs once they become Australian. And, if they're born here to immigrant parents, then they're Australian by birth anyway..."] Immigrants become Australian through citizenship, you move to a country you adopt that country, it's culture, it's flag why would you move to a country and expect that country to incorporate YOUR foreign culture or identity on it? No.. Next My idea was for a new flag not a recreation of the Aboriginal flag... Please again, reread what I wrote... Green and Gold are the colours of AUSTRALIA, not the Aboriginals.. So I suggested a flag using Australia's national colours including Red and Black used for the Aboriginals to create a new flag meshed with the TWO nationalities... Please, I didn't miss the point of the video, you just have a hard time reading and understanding... As my point is for Aboriginals and Australians. Within my text "Australians" doesn't just mean white people, it means any one born here as an Australian, I am not sorry about non Australian born individuals moving here as they can BECOME Australian through citizenship anyway, so why make a flag for them when they can adapt? I urge and encourage people to please read and understand peoples points and arguments before trying to reply with your own irrelevant remarks accusing the OC of not understanding... I would also like to add to the note that ANY form in which an Aboriginal even considers merging with Australians at all is one massive step towards a better Australia, you're lucky me, an Aboriginal Australian is even on board trying to reconcile a very horrific and tragic past... Thank you
The current flag should remain and be honoured until such time as there is a vote for Australia to become a Republic. The design is typical of the national flag of third world countries. The flag should not perpetuate the racial division of our population, we are one nation. The design should reflect the states and territories of Australia and include the Southern Cross.
@@Andy-dh9tq Very True but Canada is historically very diverse than australia (who are mostly whites who emigrated from specifically from britain). Canada having their own international image came naturally so that’s what led to the change of Canada’s flag. It was done to satisfy The Natives + The French (who founded Canada). Besides that large portion of Italians, Irish, Portuguese, Eastern Europeans, East Asians, Blacks have emigrated to Canada early 1900’s ...that helped too. I’m not Canadian but I love the Canadian flag-it’s unique, bold & iconic !!
@@aguy6771 But you’re not Australia. You can sit there and type that and even back it up with action, but it won’t make any difference to Australia the nation changing the flag.
The Eureka flag has an established meaning, which would be diluted by using it as a national flag. Same issue with the Aboriginal flag. We would be much better off designing an entirely new flag that has no other purpose than representing Australia.
@G G our current flag is a British Blue Ensign, defaced, something Britain used all over their empire. It's not ours, it's a symbol of British colonialism, it is most definitely broken as a national symbol of Australia.
@G G Many do. Or at the very least, they see Australia and Australians as "of Britain". They hold British History, or the myth of that history, as sacred. They love having Britain as the main feature of our national flag. Even among those who want a new flag, there are a disturbing number of people who want to keep "British History" as the main feature. Our culture has some serious issues concerning racism! And apathy and ignorance, which may be the reason you laughed at my comment?
@@bcoo111, We should also get rid of the British monarchy as the British royals were responsible for the massacres and biological warfare of the Aboriginals with the openly racist and draconian White Australia Policy (WAP). Captain Cook landed in Botany Bay in April 20th 1770 by using Terra Nullius, "land belonging to no one" to claim it as colonial property of the British Empire under the British Crown. Many different Aboriginal tribes with various cultures and languages have been living on the Australian continent for more than 30,000 years. A republic needs to acknowledge Australia's brutal colonial past and reconcilate with the First Nation people's by signing one or several peace treaties.
I am of indigenous heritage and do not find the current flag unacceptable. It has been recognised for over 100 years and the Union Flag in the canton simply recognises a historical fact, not domination. If the US state of Hawaii can retain the Union flag in the canton in acknowledgement of its history, why cannot Australia? I do not find the triple union flag aesthetically pleasing.
I'm a bit surprised to hear you support keeping the current flag, but I do agree with your comment. I'm glad I ain't alone about realizing that Hawaii ass the Union flag in their flag. Thank you. Greetings from California. Although I'm American, I love Australia & want to visit one day🇺🇸💙🇦🇺
@@rabbidcrazy787 I am not committed to retaining the current flag but I am tired of the many anti-British myths that are taking hold in Australia based on an ignorance of the actual history. I worked at Syracuse University decades ago as a 'post doctoral' research scientist. I found Americans friendly, welcoming and generous. I am still in regular email contact with a friend from there who is now a department head at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. I will be visiting her in July and going to see the sights like the Grand Canyon and other parks. I was intending to do a one day raft trip on the Colorado river (I have rafting and kayaking experience) until I saw that as an 'adventutous activity' it would add almoust 1000 Australian dollars (currently USD 650) to my travel insurance. I hope you can get here one day.
@@aatishkhank4a444 I did not say that Hawaii was part of the British empire. But it does have the British Union flag in the canton of the state flag in acknowledgement of British influence. Google Hawaii state flag. All caps shouting does not make you right.
this was a great assessment on why Australia needs to change its flag and how should be done. while i completely agree with all the symbolism i cant help but feel like the main aesthetics of the flag could do with some work as the colours dont seem to work well with each other and its kind of hard to look at. other then that its a great video
@@lightningfun6486 Cry me a river you fragile sissy! 50.000 years of aboriginal settlement and no cities, no streets, no agriculture, nothing! 200 years of European settlement and it's turned into one of the richest countries with one of the highest standards of living. If you think civilization doesn't and shouldn't come at a price, you don't deserve to share its fruits.
While the yellow sun on the black clashes a bit for me, everything ls about the flag is amazing, and god, those civil and miitary naval and air ensigns go hard.
i only have one issue with this flag and that its that it seperates the groups of people in australia, even in the recent one word national anthem change they changed the word "young" to "one" and thats because we arent trying to seperate eachother, we are trying to come closer together and just realize we are all the exact same, Australians.
They changed that word from young to one because this land that you live on has a 40000+ history of the oldest continuous culture on earth. Not so young after all.
You're better off going with either one of these three or the kangaroo flag. One simple symbol is most recognisable. I'm Canadian, and we don't need a flag which represents every single group in this country. I'm fine with Australia keeping its flag though.
In your mission to create a flag that ‘unites’ Australians, you have ironically done the complete opposite. The mere visual compartmentalisation of the groups represented on your design, is an immediate undeniable visual message of disunity, not to mention that your symbolism and overall design are unnecessarily complex. The doctrine that every group of people must be directly represented on a national flag or else the flag is invalid, is a fundamentally misguided thought. A national flag, particularly one belonging to a country as diverse and as vast as Australia, must use the most absolute abstract symbolism possible and must never incorporate the standards associated with specific sub-populations. A notable example of a flag done right is the national flag of India, which represents over 1.3 billion people, 700+ unique ethnicities, and over 100 recognised languages. The Indian flag is composed of only a tricolour of green, orange, and white with a blue wheel in the middle, yet it is an iconic and memorable design 🇮🇳. Another notable flag is that of China, which represents a population of over 1.4 billion people composed of many different unique ethnicities and languages, using only a field of red and 5 gold stars in the canton 🇨🇳. Perhaps the most notable is the flag of Russia, which represents 18% of the entire world’s landmass, over 110 million people, and 23 autonomous republics with only a tricolour of blue, white and red 🇷🇺.
@@davis7099 You can integrate "identity politics" into your flag in an aesthetically pleasing way. For example, India 🇮🇳 has green for the Muslims, orange for the Hindus and white to symbolize peace. Similarly, Ireland 🇮🇪 has green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants and white for peace. There's also South Africa 🇿🇦 which is a mix of the African 🇯🇲 and Dutch 🇳🇱 colors. But this "Triple Union Flag" is just ugly and cluttered.
First of all, it makes sense for India's flag. But China and Russia? Dude, the former represents the authoritarian CCP, the government that is currently screwing up China itself and has a past association with the old USSR. Also, about Russia's flag, it was even older before the USSR and is not unique at all. It was even the flag of the old Russian Empire too and the blue, white, red are used by other Slavic nations such as Serbia, Croatia, and oh, get this, Slovakia and Slovenia (they sound too similar) had the same color pattern too like Russia's, only with different coats of arms on them. Exceptions still do exist such as Bosnia or Montenegro.
I think most foreign countries would think changing Australia’s flag after her fighting men carried it through two world Wars is silly and disrespectful to the Veterans.
Yeah, bring back the Union Jack as our flag, pounds & pence and chains as a measurement. And glad that the stupid queen is gone because our veterans fought for a King, the Union Jack and were paid in shillings. :)
@@danieleyre8913 And the world cares so much what sheep island next door thinks that we let them speak for all the other countries of the world. So many times the worlds culture is changed by what the hobbits think.
@@danditto6145 Well the world cares about New Zealand and what we think as much as they do your country and what you think; where the world thinks that people ride Kangaroos and everyone is like Crocodile Dundee (or Steve Irwin). But then again maybe that’s a good thing for you that they aren’t more aware, imagine what they would think if they discovered how your country pretends that Aussie rules and rugby league are worthwhile and somehow good, how so many gamble people their lives away in it (and meth). just how bad you are at the brewing of beer and barbecue you declare you love so much, and how seriously you also take V8 Supercars. I mean do you imagine that Australia ever “changed the world’s culture”? Hahaha! But on the actual topic: What you think makes no logical sense and is frankly childish. Nobody in any other nation would remotely think what you fantasise. You’re not even any nation that the rest of the world even associates with militaries nor with fighting in any wars. And the last thing any of your nation’s veterans cared about when they served (or sat in some Japanese POW camp) was its flag. A lot of those soldiers would’ve seen themselves as “British” anyway, especially during the First World War. Most of the other nations who fought in the war, and fought a lot more than Australia possibly could’ve, have changed their flags since. It’s an imbecilic thing to even correlate.
Yet, the US replaced the Union Jack with stars symbolizing the US states when it gained independent. The Union Jack represents ownership. By having a Union Jack in the canton, Australia, New Zealand, other former colonies and current British territories show that they are still the property of the UK 🇦🇺🇳🇿🇫🇰🇫🇯
@@_blank-_ Very silly comment and obviously not true. It represents a historical connection. Even the US initially fought under a flag with the Union Jack in the canton. They were just butt hurt by the war and gave the finger by substituting for the stars and stealing a few "u"s from the language - but they still kept the British red, white, and blue. And they feel much better now. On a more serious note, it is amazing to me the rabid anglophobic bigotry given the supposedly "clawing" "British" so happily and peacefully transferred governance - for Australia in 1901. We should all think on Mel Gibson and remember how anglophobic bigotry is so often a leading indicator of mental illness.
Great video supporting a messy and busy design. It gives a good point that the new flag should not be a redisign of the old one and then brigs a proposal which is a redisign. Then the symbolism of the elements is randomly chosen (seven continents, five oceans). Instead on basing the form on the symbolism it needs to present, here the symbolism adapts to the chosen form. It also resembles Nepalese flag, but that's the least of its sins.
As an Australian I do really like this design but I’m a stickler for tradition and I believe we should have the union Jack in our flag so the design I’ve come up with uses the Eureka flag as a base has the union Jack in the top left corner the aboriginal flag in the top right the Torra straight Islander flag in the bottom left The Commonwealth Star as the centre star or maybe as all five of the points and in the bottom right I’ve just drown a southern cross but I’ve also thought of maybe having the coat of Arms or something but I caught the Australian multicultural flag not that I think we should necessarily change of flag in the first place but if we did I want want something with the Union Jack
@@DTczsk1999No, he isn't. Just because you don't agree with an opinion that isn't even discriminatory doesn't mean it's fascist. Maybe learn the meaning of the word before using it.
@@Shadoww733Yes, it does. So what if it has the Union flag? Fiji is a Republic & it still has it. Hate me all you want, but the Australia Flag looks better than most Arab flags, such as the flags of Palestine, Iraq, and Algeria.
The Australian flag is extremely iconic, my friend. The US flag is based off the British East India Company flag and still represents all people of tons of different people from lots of different places. It’s not about what it was, it’s about what it is.
key words: based off Notice how the US flag doesn't have the Union Jack? The US formed its own identity by symbolically removing the Union Jack from the upper left corner as a way to show they didn't want to be a part of the UK anymore during the revolution This flag still has the Southern Cross, so it's based off the colonial flag while at the same time, symbolically removing the Union Jack to show Australia moving on its own path
@@primercommentario1. But some people still fly the Grand Union flag, which is one of the first US flags & it has the Union Jack on it. 2. I prefer the current Australian flag, in my opinion. 3. If the current Australian flag got replaced, this would mean it would no longer be shown at sports games such as the Fifa world cup or the Olympics. It would be sad to no longer see it at sports games anymore & if I wanted to see it at sports games, I would have to watch old broadcastings of past sports games matches. Why do so many people want the current Australian flag along with even the UK flag alone to end up in the same fates as the Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, or Kingdom of Portugal flags?
Im a migrant in Australia, and I suggest KEEP it the way it is. There is an Australian flag, Aboriginal and Torres ppls, 3 flags is way enough to make everyone happy. I am a white European and I have no problems waving any of the 3 flags we already have.
Looks shit - means nothing. Sick of bending anytime someone gets upset. Keep the Australian flag and the aboriginal flag. Happy to see both flying side by side.
Don't forget to include the Bolivian flag. Those 5 Bolivians in Australia deserve representation, and it would be a travesty not to recognize the important role they played in building the country.
@@Shadoww844 What does the genocide have to do with the current Australian flag? It's not intended to promote genocide or anything like that, unlike the German third Reich flag.
When we First Federalised and became a Commonwealth, all the states united under the Red Australian Civil Ensign. As the Blue Ensign (Now the National Flag) was discouraged by flag suppliers, State, Local and Australian Citizens at the time where expected to use the Red ensign. In WW1 when Australia started to become separate from the British Commonwealth, Australian Forces fought and died under both the Blue Ensign and the Red Ensign, we only stopped using the Red Ensign until 1953.
i loved everything you said (and fantastic video presentation. stunning.), and I 100% agree with your reasons for changing the flag. I really reeeeeally wanted to like the design. But in my lay opinion, I must confess that I did not... it just looks too design-by-committee.. that there are too many ideas (visually and what they represent) on one flag, and the effect of each idea is diminished. I suspect to win over a population, it will need to be instantly striking, likeable, and easy to understand (even if there are multiple layers of meaning), and possibly something that people are already familiar and comfortable with. Kangaroos and green-and-gold are obvious examples, but I also somewhat agree with your reasons for dismissing them as not representing Australian people / history. Anyway, I wish I could be of more help, other than saying that I truly hope that this movement gathers momentum, I'll always vote for a new flag over the existing one.
Recognition of history is all well and good, but as others have pointed out, even creating a national symbol it’s best to not create one that flagellates one group while begging for an apology from the other. One might say “do it on your own time, not on the flag”. An alteration to the design that I, and probably many others, thought of would be to set the sun in the center of the black and red fields and to have the eight pointed star set inside of it fully with its color split in half as the opposite of the fields they overlap (top half of the start inside the circle is red and the lower half is black). A reflection that though crimes of the past happened, not everyone even in the past committed them and that none today should ever commit them.
I don't think it's the most "beautiful" flag, but it's so meaningful and (given the Kiwi referendum) makes sense as not extremely divergent in symbolism while being distinct. It seems to me the reason for the NZ flag staying the same was the fern didn't have great symbolism so keeping the flag as is was seen as no worse than an uninspired design. I think the K shape of the left devices is extremely underrated and I think you do a wonderful job explaining its significance. After the Minnesota state flag there's a precedent for this lovely 'inverted' triangle. Some have said the canton still feels like it exists, and I agree but that just points to the meaning that the aboriginal people are the stewards of the land and should receive more rights to that end. Regardless, the juxtaposition of so much history in a complex but not overwhelming flag is extremely admirable; if I can teach a country's whole history from their flag that's pretty amazing!
I will miss the current Australian flag if it gets replaced, tho. I hope it doesn't get banned & treated the same way as the third German Reich flag or the pre 1994 South African flag. The Australian flag shouldn't be treated similarly to those 2 flags I just mentioned. It would also be sad to no longer see the current Australian flag 🇦🇺 at the UN headquarters anymore.
@@abarette_Even though many young Australians think that the current flag is "racist" or "pro-genocide" just because it has a Union Flag (🇬🇧) on it? Someone even claimed that the Australian flag isn't much different from the N*zi Germany flag.
As an non-Australian I have to admit I always thought the Australian flag was cool. This union flag is just ugly, if they're going to change it they need to come up with something better. They just need to think about what looks cool instead of just worrying which angles and colours will offend people.
@@Shadoww844Why? Hawaii has a union jack in their flag & they love it. Also, there are 3 other countries with a union jack: New Zealand, Fiji, and Tuvalu. Tuvalu tried changing their flag before, but it got backlash, so they changed it back. The only reason Hawaii isn't a country is because of the USA. Also, no creativity? This is actually the most creative flag that has the Union Jack. Even more unique than Fiji.
It had the Irish flag up there as people not represented on the Australian flag but it is the red x on the union flag is the st patricks cross representing Ireland pre independence
Litterally no one in Ireland or even any of the overseas diaspora want anything to do with the st. patrick’s cross, it‘s something the brits came up with in the late 18th century in order to fit their flag for the 1800 act of union. It is personally sth. completely outlandish and has nothing to do with being or feeling irish in a sense as many coin it: “a british invention for a people who never used it”. Ya might as well link it to old age Spain for all the good it ever did..
There is a glaring problem with this flag: it's attempt to ingrain atonement into a nation symbol. This creates an environment of defeatist nihilism, pessimism, and having an undertone of us being submissive, complacent and self-loathing. This single element has the potential to ignite a civil war and will serve as a constant force pushing Australians apart. The original intention is not even a noble ideal, just stupid, masochistic, and suicidal.
In my Opinion, the Australian Flag **SHOULDN’T** change. This is because changing the flag to be “more inclusive” is going to divide our wonderful nation. The Aboriginals already have a flag and it is flown up with the Australian Flag. The Australian Flag symbolises the European Settlers while the Aboriginal Flag symbolises the Aboriginals. Same for the Torres Strait. These flags are all flown together @ parliament. We can’t just dwell on History and how the Aboriginals had their land stolen, it was basically the Europeans job to settle new land for the convicts.
Just finished watching the whole video! VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT!!! I’m American by adoption from Eastern Europe with ancestors from North Africa, The Middle East and Asia and I’ve always been intrigued by Australia. I hope that this becomes the new flag! Heck even the American flag isn’t that well thought out when it comes to inclusion of first nations
Lol, this flag looks like pac-man is trying to eat the Australian flag. Doing a bit of colour swapping with the Greenlandic flag I came around to something like a black/blue flag with a yellow/red sphere, still feel like the colours contrast badly, but perhaps something like that would work, lob in the souther cross if you will.
@@brendonrookes1151 national symbols should not be ethnic symbols unless one ethnicity comprises the whole nation. Australia is not a union of ethnic groups it is a union of states.
@@karlosdeevs no it's not, we either cast aside ethnic identities for civic nationalism or we lean into them, which means every ethnic group in Australia requires representation from Aboriginal to the newest sub Saharan African arrivals and everything in between. It's untenable.
@@croweater6814 c‘mon. Everyone knows most new arrivals don‘t get much representation until later gens if at all. First people get first spotlight and that‘s in itself is only a small circle of significant minorities and all remaining abo tribes, hardly more. We all relate to who our forbearers were..
Changing the Australian flag is a topic that deserves greater consideration than this video alone provides. Comments have been kept open to allow for civil discussion on this matter. Before commenting, please consider reading our in-depth explanation of the case for a new Australian flag: www.tripleunionflag.com/why/
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If this comes to a vote I’m voting for the current Australian flag or the red ensign!
God Save The Queen of Australia! 🇦🇺 🗳
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It’s missing the symbol from the Torres Straight flag.
Support new Republic of Australia flag
I support Australia having its own flag however the colours clash on this design and it suffers from the problem of dividing Australians into 3 groups. Even according to the explanation given in this video, the background colours represent different groups of people. So it is a divisive design. No divisive flag can suitably represent any nation which is supposed to be united.
I Agree, which is why I like the Golden Wattle flag
I don’t see it as divisive when it is represented in its full form, but when it is in it’s shield form, I feel the whole point of unity is lost. It becomes a shield that implies the custodians and colonists are valued more than those who come after.
@@bournettanmapping8762 bleach.. the Gaw flag looks like corn on the cob sliced open and i fckn hate maze.
It has got its own flag.
Still, it can't be denied that Australia was one of the colonies of the British Empire and the rest of the independent countries who broke away from it had their own flags. The current flag of Australia had become a butt of jokes because it was compared with New Zealand's flag, which had the same Southern Cross design
The flag at 6:08 is the most appropriate one I have ever seen.
It truly represents all sides of politics in Oz.
Golden comment award for you
Including the question mark?
@@onedaysoon3 think they are talking about the ☹️ flag, not the ❓ flag (which is at 6:10 not 6:08)
A flag is NOT supposed to represent politics
@@petephone9353 Absolutely right !
But flags do tend to blow with the wind.
I don't support changing the flag and before you say I'm racist I am a aboriginal man and I love that flag I don't care about colonial stuff the flag represents all Australians including my people
I'm surprised but happy to hear that. May you be blessed👍🏼
having bad taste is fine too~
I watched a half-hour video on another country's flag and I'm so happy
Great thought went into the flag and we like how the design can be changed around for the shield idea and other official flags. But we also think there are a number of issues.
1. The black and blue have very poor contrast.
2. Changing the Commonwealth Star to 8 points means the flag has three different star designs (5, 7 and 8 pointed stars) and this makes the flag more complicated and confusing.
3. The stolen land symbolism is highly divisive.
4. It doesn't have a canton but the upper hoist is still the most prominent part of the flag and therefore the Aboriginal placement still gives them superiority over the other two groups.
Thank you for the kind words and thoughtful feedback on this flag design. We very much appreciate it. We would like to take this opportunity to address the concerns that you have raised about the design of the Triple Union Flag:
1. The decision to place black and blue fields next to each other is a compromise between ideal flag design, simplicity and recognisability. While it is not ideal to place these colours next to each other due to their tendency to appear too similar to the human eye, separating these three sectors with more design elements would overcomplicate the design. Alternatively, choosing different colours for the flag (such as a lighter blue) would undermine the clear connection between the Triple Union Flag and existing Australian flag designs. The chosen blue for this flag is Pantone 286C which is the brightest and most saturated blue colour of the standardised colour system. Provided manufacturing and printing protocols recognise the need for appropriate contrast between black and blue, and are tailored to achieve this, the choice of colours in this flag should not be a major concern. Indeed, several other official flags, such as the flag of South Sudan and the Torres Strait Islander Flag, are designed with blue and black fields placed next to each other. As a proof of concept, the Triple Union Flag has been manufactured with accurate reproduction of its colours. You can view images of this flag on our Instagram account: instagram.com/tripleunionflag/
2. The design of the Triple Union Flag divides the Australian Flag into three distinct sectors to represent three different groups of people. Changing the number of points of the stars in this design, so that each sector contains unique stars, is a deliberate design choice to achieve this effect. There is only one difference between the stars of the current Australian Flag and the Triple Union Flag - a single point added to the largest star. This simple change can hardly be considered to be overcomplicating the design, especially given that the Union Jack, arguably more complicated on its own than any part of the design of the Triple Union Flag, is not a feature of this alternative Australian Flag design.
3. It should be noted that the symbolism of stolen Indigenous land is only one aspect and possible interpretation of the design of the Triple Union Flag. Nevertheless, this symbolism does not represent a controversial ideology but rather a historical fact. This is in contrast to the Union Jack in the canton of the current Australian Flag which is an intentionally designed symbol of the superior might of the British Empire. The oppression of First Nations people, and the dispossession of their lands, directly informs the reality of present-day Australia. The fact that acknowledgement of this reality is seen as divisive, while representations of colonial and post-colonial history remain unchallenged, suggests that it is an inadequate comprehension of Australian history, rather than the design of this flag, that is to blame for this divisiveness.
4. The design of the Triple Union Flag seeks to disrupt the form of the current Australian Flag which implies superiority of that which is contained in the canton on the upper hoist side of the flag. It is this flag design element, and not simply the placement of symbols in the upper hoist side of the flag, which has this specific connotation of superiority. As First Nations people are the descendants of the first Australians, the placement of the sector that represents them in the upper hoist side of the flag rightly grants them special recognition. However, it does not imply superiority - certainly not, at the very least, in the same way as the canton does in the current Australian Flag. The Triple Union Flag is a symbol of unity that is based on the convergence of three sectors at equal angles. Unlike the canton in the current Australian Flag, which can be easily replaced with another flag or symbol, the sectors of the Triple Union Flag are distinct yet related elements of a larger whole that only make sense within the form they create when combined together. No one sector in the Triple Union Flag can be considered to be superior to another.
@@tripleunionflag Thanks for your detailed response! Despite some of our criticisms, we like this flag overall, it's certainly very striking! Best of luck getting the flag out there and promoting it to the people of Australia. G'day, mate!
@@tripleunionflag Why not add a white border between the parts of the flag so it follows the rule of tincture?
@@tripleunionflag There's nothing unique about the Aboriginal experience (of being a conquered human group). Unnecessary politically correct/"woke" pandering and symbolism won't change anything.
What's your attitude towards every American you meet; whether from the USA, Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Argentina etc etc? Do you state their flags are "inappropriate" for not having some symbolic reference in recognition of conquered inhabitants? What about two other famous examples of this same premise like Turkey & Japan? What would you say to a Turkish or Japanese person regarding their flags?!
@@tripleunionflag just about any country is made up of stolen land
Fun facts: The only British Overseas Territory flag that doesn't have the Union flag is Gibraltar! The flag was adopted in November 1982 and is based on Gibraltar's coat of arms, granted by Royal Warrant from Queen Isabella I of Castile in July 1502! The castle represents its status as a strategic fortress, while the key represents Gibraltar being the key to the Mediterranean. And while Anguilla's flag has the Union flag, the shield on the flag is based off the Three Dolphins Flag during the brief time that Anguilla was its own country called the Republic of Anguilla in the 1960s (basically Anguilla kicked out St Kitts police and voted to leave St Kitts to be their own colony, then voted to become a republic, and finally the UK sent 300 troops).
I definitely agree that the Seychelles flag stands out. That, Kiribati, Bhutan, Kazakhstan, and Barbados are my top five favorite country flags. The oblique bands of the Seychelles flag symbolize a dynamic new country moving into the future. Blue depicts the sky and the sea that surrounds the islands, yellow symbolizes the sun, red symbolizes the people and their determination to work for the future in unity and love, white symbolizes social justice and harmony, and finally the green depicts the land and natural environment that makes the Seychelles famous.
It's been a while since I have seen a comment from you. And apparently the algorithm brought us both here. Cheers
The Anguilla flag is so breathtakingly awesome, it's a shame it's not used or more well known.
Exceptions exist, man, but the video refers to the majority of British Overseas Territories such as Montserrat, British Virgin Islands, Turks and Caicos, Pitcairn Islands, and Falkland Islands
Also, Cook Islands, part of the NZ realm, had similar designs too to Australia's flag except the stars are encircled together
I approve it ❤
My thoughts are that this flag is much too busy and complicated. The colours jar. I believe we need to follow the Canadian (and other modern) examples, which simply present one stylised symbol of the country. This symbol should bring no historical garbage with it, and be something new that all Australians can adopt and rally around.
I also find it interesting that the conservatives among us who want to preserve “the flag our soldiers fought under” are in error. Our soldiers (may God bless them) fought under the red ensign, which is the same design as the present flag, but RED not blue.
Lots of criticism in the comments. I feel like the flag is being held to standards that not even popular flags can stand to . In all honesty I love it, strong symbolism and really thoughtful design. A shame it doesn't seem to have gotten much traction.
It will one day
It’s getting criticism because it’s an absolute disgrace of a design. It’s probably the only proposed Australian flag that somehow manages to piss off *every* ethnic group on the continent.
The video keeps reiterating how the flag supposedly symbolises unity… and then goes on to show how divisive it is in every aspect of it.
@@KasabianFan44 Bro, that is misinterpretation of the flag, man. The flag tells the story of Australia's diverse people and how they came to be to form what is Australia today.
Let's do a little experiment, alright?
Try to draw a circle with its center in the intersection of the three sectors of the said flag, which would now become a pie, and each one of those sectors/slices represent one of the key chapters in Australia's history. Now, you try to take out one to two slices out of the graphical pie, you will then have the remaining slices not forming a complete circle at all, meaning to say, taking out any of the slices can mean that you don't sincerely acknowledge the key part of Australia's history
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Your “experiment” is the lamest analogy I have ever read mate. Do you even know what an _experiment_ is? You’re basically saying “the three *separate* slices of the history pie represent unity” - essentially repeating what the video said (thanks mate, but I was able to watch the video all by myself), but not providing any concrete explanation of how this unity is represented on the flag. They are just three random events, and you could argue that history itself is what brings them together - but this flag most certainly doesn’t.
As for the “white border” thing - this doesn’t even make any sense. Three separate pieces are three separate pieces, whether they have a white line between them or not. This is nothing but your personal interpretation of what counts as “divisions”, and trying to pass off your opinion as a fact. Nice try bud. I sure hope you never become a journalist, because that’s just not how facts work.
And to answer your question about the golden wattle flag - yes, it’s miles better compared to this abomination. It’s definitely not my favourite, but I’d still much rather have that as my flag. Hell, I would even rather keep the current flag than switch to this thing.
Oh and the comment about “me being the only pissed one” is a hilarious lack of self-awareness. I’m pretty calm here, just expressing my personal opinion. Meanwhile, you just sent me no fewer than FOUR angry replies to my comment, in which you sound genuinely offended at what I said. Lol. What a hypocrite.
@@KasabianFan44 Look, I am really sorry for what happened earlier. I think your idea of the Golden Wattle may also work for the new Australian flag, but I think it would also help to make it co-official next to the Triple Union Flag with better tweaking of the colors next to it such as the other official flags Uruguay has apart from the National Pavilion one
I feel like if you need a 26 min. long video to explain the meaning of the flag design, maybe its a little overcomplicated. Combining elements of old flags seems to be a dead end for a truly unique and contemporary design. I personally think the golden wattle design is really good! Since those are the national colors, why not take a fresh approach and create something entirely new.
> 26
Australia Day reference
personally i dont feel any connection to it at all it feels like it's from a foreign nation
But I like Australia's current flag, tho.
He didn't _need_ 26 minutes, not to mention the explanation itself is 7 minutes.
Over two years and the flag is still the same. I love my country 🥲🥲🥲
could change in the near future tho..
Cheers 🍻
@karlosdeevs Why? I don't want it to be banned like South Africa's previous flag is nor would I want it removed from the UN headquarters.
I like the Australian flag as it is.
It literally has another countries flag on our flag it literally has no creativity. We need a flag that represents every Australian, not just British Australians, every Australian like Dutch, Chinese, Greek, French and etc
@@Shadoww844Hawaii has a union jack in their flag & they love it. Also, there are 3 other countries with a union jack: New Zealand, Fiji, and Tuvalu. Tuvalu tried changing their flag before, but it got backlash, so they changed it back. The only reason Hawaii isn't a country is because of the USA.
Ironically, while discussing misintepretting flag symbolism, you misinterpreted an aspect of the South African flag. While its understandable why you'd assume the red, white and blue section of the flag represents the dutch flag, it doesn't. It represents both the (dutch) Afrikaners and the British. The red was deliberately chosen to be neither the dutch nor the British red for this purpose.
This is true, but the design is still deliberate in a way. It's clearly related.
it's also ugly as sin.
@@croweater6814 na it's pretty nice
@@croweater6814Go cry about it. We like the flag and it was voted the 5th most liked flag in the world.
@@croweater6814 Aren't you the same guy who said stuff about the flag for Australia?
a perfect example of overthinking things
10/10 response. The best summarized and most effective response to the entire argument yet. Bravo
A lefty with too much time on their hands.
Absolutely, just because a lot of thought went into this video doesn’t mean it’s good. I don’t like the current Australian flag either, but the flag in this video is very divisive. A new Australian flag should have neutral symbols all Australians can get behind & not any explicit symbolism of aboriginal or white Australians.
Your'e just not a thinker.
First Australian, second Australian, third Australian, I am not happy with these terms.
Always focus what we got today and Lest we forget.
At first I thought is was very unappealing, but the more I look at it, the more I can appreciate it, if given the choice, I would change it
Bruh same
@@maxhelman6415 bruh same x3
Same I was like mmm I don’t really like it but it grew apon me
bruh same
To me it is a separation of the groups rather than combination of all.
The yellow on the Timor-Leste flag (by the way: Timor comes from timur which means east in Malay and Leste means east in Portuguese, so its name is literally East East) not only represents the independence struggle but also the traces of colonialism in the nation's history, as in the yellow found on the Portuguese flag. And the Mauritanian flag originally didn't include red! Between 2011 and 2017, Mauritania and Jamaica were the only two country flags without red, white, or blue. But under a referendum which also abolished the Mauritanian senate, both the flag and the anthem were changed. The anthem was changed to...Diet 20th Century Fox. Libya also once had a flag without red, white, or blue but that changed in 2011. So it's just Jamaica now.
Another iconic flag is the DPRK flag! The red of the flag symbolizes the bloodshed by the Korean patriots and the invincible might of the people firmly united to support the Republic. The white symbolizes one land, one language, one culture of a monoethnic country, which has lived in purity. And blue stands for the gallant visage of the people and symbolizes the spirit of the Korean people fighting for world peace and progress.
Under all three names Timor-Leste is most commonly referred to, it translates to East East (that being East Timor, Timor-Leste and Timor Timur)
@@biponacciin spanish is Timor oriental
I see you everywhere whenever I watch a video about countries and flags
Eureka flag should be the only flag to replace the current.
I admire the thought which has gone into this, but the most important thing that a flag must do is inspire a sense of patriotism, and I get no such feeling looking at this, it just looks like a bunch of different flags thrown together. Yes, the southern cross is absolutely required on any new flag for Australia, and yes, aboriginal representation must equally be a part of it. But the Australian Colours are green and gold, and a new flag must represent that. There are many ways that the aboriginal peoples can be represented without just sticking the aboriginal flag on the design, which is effectively what this does, despite the claiming that the red represents the red ensign. A new flag needs to harmonise the aboriginal people with the later settlers, and be something that everyone can stand behind. I think this keeps the divide between the peoples, just says they are both represented, which hardly seems much better.
If you think abos need to be "Represented" on the Aussie flag, you are a conquered, demoralised person, and your view is illegitimate.
You people have gone nuts. Just give them a piece of land and let them run things over there themselves.
It does for me...
why the fuck are the "australian colors" green and gold anyway
For any non-Australians watching this, please be aware that the vast majority of Australians do not agree with the message of this video, and are happy with the current flag.
If a referendum happened the flag proposed in the video definitely be unsuccessful.
I'm glad to hear that. Its quite clear that there is a particular ideology behind this video.
alleged Australians ? - speak for yourself Spanky
Frankly, I get the feeling that majority of Australians have gone nuts in the last few years. Changing the flag? Voting about having some freaky aboriginal councils or whatever? That shit is nuts.
@@julius43461 The Australian Government has gone nuts along with some lefty loonies in the population
For any non-Australians watching this video, we live in a social democracy. Ergo I cannot speak for all Australians with respect to how they'll vote in an election let alone a flag.
Aboriginals very much murdered each other before Europeans arrived. Stop implying otherwise.
They did? Not saying you're wrong.
This is pretty impressive "marketing" but no amount of slick marketing fixes the problem of UGLY...
Your not use to it
Someone certainly found a way to keep themselves busy during the pandemic!
A great design convincingly presented. Well done!
Hadn't heard of this until today. The algorithm is so weird. What happened to make this appear in my feed randomly? (not complaining) 👍
Tremendously well researched and presented argument from a symbolic standpoint. From an artistic point of view I'm slightly less convinced but ultimately that is just a personal opinion anyway. It might just be a case of 'getting familiar with it'. Very impressive.
it places an ethnic group in the canton, it fails a point one at what it set out to achieve
@@croweater6814 The Canton is traditionally rectangular, which this flag clearly doesn't use.
Instead it's dedicating only a quarter of the flag to represent the indigenous people, another quarter for the colonial rule and a full half on equal standing with the others as the present & future of all Australians.
It's honestly quite ingenious.
Perhaps it could be reversed, with the star layout flipped so it's not a mirror image, with the Blue half along the mast shaft and the other quater's on the other side.
This would prioritise the present and future of all Australians while keeping the intent of the design in place.
It would also form the more typical Unity shape with the lateral line pointed away from the Mast.
That revision ought to satisfy your point of objection I believe, yes?
@@soulsurvivor8293 considering indigenous people are one ethnic group and comprise 3% of the population in a multicultural society. And the disc is in the position of prominence, I stand by my statement.
An 'artistic point of view' is not merely personal opinion to any other than those who know nothing about the subject.
Divide and rule, even embossed on the proposed 'new' flag. 🤦🏻♂️
The Australian flag, as it stands, is perfect. It doesn't require change and Australia doesn't need the additional expense.
The sad reality is like many social democracies Australia is has a natural divide between Conservative and Liberal views.
Not everyone will agree.
I adore this flag and resonate with the arguments put forward. As a Aussie vexillographer I believe this flag is the most common sense option x creative.
You say that replacing the Union Flag in the canton with the Aboriginal Flag should not be done, as superiority would simply be transferred from one group to another. Then you proceed to do precisely that. Angling the division line makes no difference, the flag still has a canton.
Nah. A canton is another flag pasted onto a flag in the corner. The Aboriginal sun is an integral part (nearly a third) of the flag itself.
@@MrAronymous You are incorrect. A canton is an emblem placed at the top left corner of a flag. It does not have to be a flag in its own right.
You are right.
As from graphic designer perspective, I really loved how you explained the Australian triple union flag design, functionality, uniqueness, secrets, meaning of colors, symbols, alignment, size everything in detail! If you designed this flag by yourself, than you're a very talented, unique, hard working and very open designer! 👏🏻👏🏻🇦🇺
Man, do you really think that to use five colors for a flag is a good idea?
What king of a graphic designer are you?
Anything that requires that much crushing and twisting around to 'explain' is not good design. Are you his mum by any chance.
@@1977ajax It's still interesting
@@_blank-_ Matter of opinion. As a professional designer, it's rubbish design.
@@1977ajax I mean all of the 'professional designers' that made the possible NZ flag redesigns ended up making what were basically boring corporate logos
I never thought of using text to make a flag, but the fact that you can communicate the design with [:
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It's absolutely unrecognizable as a ASCII symbol
Its not well though out. Its an ugly design with some backwards reasoning.
so your racist? this flag is actually really good for recognition and reconciliation. @@FekDindad-xy9vz
@@FekDindad-xy9vz If you don't like it, why don't you just ignore it?
Goddamn this flag is horrible. Just keep the same flag that our country has always had, that so many brave men fought and died protecting!
As a American, I find this flag to be perfect for Australia, most of the previous alternate designs for an Australian flag has been un-stylish, and un-traditional. The flag promotes both Indigenous and colonial equality, My only critique is the idea of stolen land all land is "Stolen" and conquered but atlast, I understand the necessity.
It is stolen land and is recognised as such in Australia. We don't need an illinformed american sharing their illinformed views on a national topic. Bye bye now.
I also find it to be the perfect flag for America but replace the relevant parts, one for the native Indians, one for the Black Americans, one for the White Americans the one for the rest of who come to the United States of America. What you think?
Wrong
As an American but out!
@@fatheranthony4popeIronically, the same people who claim that Australia & the USA are stolen land don't call Argentina, Brazil, Uruguaya, and North African Arab countries such as Alegria stolen land despite indigenous peoples including the berbers in North Africa being genocided.
First we need to find out what the people want. As a few thousand in a survey is not ALL Australians....
Shut the fuck up boomer.
@@BlackIndigenousPosse Learn some manners mate
@@alongsleep Haha, you just outed yourself as an old turd clinging to the vestiges of colonialism. You're old. You're disgusting. You voted against same-sex marriage because your pathetic 2,000-year-old book of desert mysticism vaguely suggested that you do so. I hate old dinosaurs like you.
@@BlackIndigenousPosse You sound like someone with no idea who they are.
@@alongsleep What's the matter, boomer? Are you getting mad? Is steam coming out of your ears?
Your whole generation is a joke. All you know how to do is start wars and be mad at immigrants.
3:22 that is not the flag of Europe that is such a wrong statement. It is the flag of the European union, a trade union, that doesn't include every European country. Some of the mist important European countries are not in the EU
Hopefully Germany will he the next to leave #DEixt
I'm from the US and wish our flag could change. I was a child of 6 or 7 seeing the flag-draped caskets of the troops returned from Vietnam on the tv so I have never felt good about the flag. Maybe taking pride in our astronauts would have helped, but then I quickly learned about President Nixon lying about the war and the flag came to symbolize a killing machine. That conviction settled in my mind long before I learned about the deaths of the non-Americans in our wars.
Bruh
I FUCKING LOVE FLAGS.
As an Australian with indigenous blood, my father being Aboriginal, we Wiradjuri mob... I must say, this 'Triple union flag' is awful... I, myself as an Aboriginal man, I don't have an issue with the current flag, nor do anyone in my family, I feel, in my own opinion, changing the flag just leads to further segregation and division. But if this will help bring us ALL together so be it.
You spent almost 10 mins in the video slagging off the meaning of having the UK in the canton and following old colonial traditions... But then you've kept the colours & put the sun and black up in the canton, no sense has been made... If you're going to get rid of the Union Jack all together you're going to have to get rid of the blue too. The blue isn't Australia's colour. Neither the blacks or the whites, it was a background expenditure of the Scottish St. Andrew Satire. The southern cross isn't unique to us either, I'd drop that too..
The only people the new flag needs to incorporate, is Aboriginal People of this Great Southern land and Australians, that's it. I'm not being racist but why would we need a flag to represent the world or immigrants? No one does it for us. Immigrants that come to Australia become Australians anyway through citizenship, the flag will be theirs once they become Australian. And, if they're born here to immigrant parents, then they're Australian by birth anyway...
I'd propose a horizontal tricolour flag of 'Green, white and gold with a red sun and black beams in the centre', representing the indigenous peoples gathered around the sun at a meeting place. Any idea is an idea.
Australia's colours are Green and Gold.... Green on top, Gold on the bottom, Separate them by white (white is a colour of Peace.. Peace between the two)
Aboriginal colours are Black, Red & Yellow... Red & black sun in the centre of the flag ontop of the white background... Yellow and Gold are fairly similar the gold could represent both nationalities.
Seeing as we are still a constitutional monarchy we keep the original Australian flag as a Royal flag only. Basically what Canada has done.
Again, this is just my idea. No matter what change is done, you're not going to please everyone. Unless we all work together there is going to be division and segregation in this country and for and we can't keep blaming colonisation, something that happened over 200 years ago. We aren't a colony anymore, the whites here today aren't the ones that colonised and the blacks here today aren't the nomad wanderers the colonisers thought we were. It's upto us, today to start unifying as ONE.
If you took the time to read this, thank you for reading and understanding.
you are making a Indian flag copy
@@CheeseyBoi10 Well no, India's flag is saffron (orange) white and green... Australia's colours are gold and green.
Also, there are many flags that are similar in colours and designs, yet each flag is unique to that specific country..
India and Niger share and almost identical flag, Ireland and Côte d'Ivoire do also.. They all have the exact same colours.. Where my proposal would be more along the lines of say Sucumbíos of Ecuador or Sesquilé of Colombia.. The gold would be more of a darker yellow than orange.
Interesting proposal! My only problem with tricolours, whether vertical or horizontal, is that they've pretty much been done to death, and feel like pretty much the most common design a flag could possibly go for, AKA France, Germany, Ireland, Peru, Nigeria, Bolivia, the Netherlands, Russia, Belgium, Argentina, India, Italy, etc, etc, etc. That's why I personally like the Triple-Union Flag, it's more than just a couple of colourful rectangles with an emblem on it, but I admit the symbolism in your proposed design does indeed hold weight!
>The southern cross isn't unique to us either, I'd drop that too..
It's there, unchanged, to assure continuity and recognition of the current flag. it's there on the Canberra flag for instance.
>why would we need a flag to represent the world or immigrants?
because non-indigenous people were born here without necessarily being ill-intentioned, they're living in Australia too.
>'Green, white and gold with a red sun and black beams in the centre' representing the indigenous peoples
That's great and all but once again the goal of the video isn't a redesign of the aboriginal flag, but of the national flag.
You might be missing the point of the video.
@@abarette_ Okay none of your points rectify any issues though... First point, the southern cross is on the flag of Canberra & I am more than aware of the meaning for it. I've stated that the southern cross is not unique to Australia... It is seen all over the southern hemisphere, it is even on the flag of Brazil, a world away. Next.
Second point... By immigrants I'm not referring to Australians, if you read by comment properly, I'm not being rude in any way, or I'm not trying to be rude, but you trying to nitpick what I've stated and trying to pull it apart and then you're trying to make your own points with things I didn't state... Immigrants is referring to people coming here not people born here as Australians... I shall recap what I wrote seeing as you must have misread [3rd paragraph ". Immigrants that come to Australia become Australians anyway through citizenship, the flag will be theirs once they become Australian. And, if they're born here to immigrant parents, then they're Australian by birth anyway..."] Immigrants become Australian through citizenship, you move to a country you adopt that country, it's culture, it's flag why would you move to a country and expect that country to incorporate YOUR foreign culture or identity on it? No.. Next
My idea was for a new flag not a recreation of the Aboriginal flag... Please again, reread what I wrote... Green and Gold are the colours of AUSTRALIA, not the Aboriginals.. So I suggested a flag using Australia's national colours including Red and Black used for the Aboriginals to create a new flag meshed with the TWO nationalities...
Please, I didn't miss the point of the video, you just have a hard time reading and understanding... As my point is for Aboriginals and Australians. Within my text "Australians" doesn't just mean white people, it means any one born here as an Australian, I am not sorry about non Australian born individuals moving here as they can BECOME Australian through citizenship anyway, so why make a flag for them when they can adapt?
I urge and encourage people to please read and understand peoples points and arguments before trying to reply with your own irrelevant remarks accusing the OC of not understanding... I would also like to add to the note that ANY form in which an Aboriginal even considers merging with Australians at all is one massive step towards a better Australia, you're lucky me, an Aboriginal Australian is even on board trying to reconcile a very horrific and tragic past... Thank you
The current flag should remain and be honoured until such time as there is a vote for Australia to become a Republic. The design is typical of the national flag of third world countries. The flag should not perpetuate the racial division of our population, we are one nation. The design should reflect the states and territories of Australia and include the Southern Cross.
I agree with your general thinking but why the southern cross ? It is already in the flag designs of at least a dozen other countries.
Canada’s head of state is also the Queen but they have a unique flag.
@@Andy-dh9tq Very True but Canada is historically very diverse than australia (who are mostly whites who emigrated from specifically from britain). Canada having their own international image came naturally so that’s what led to the change of Canada’s flag. It was done to satisfy The Natives + The French (who founded Canada). Besides that large portion of Italians, Irish, Portuguese, Eastern Europeans, East Asians, Blacks have emigrated to Canada early 1900’s ...that helped too. I’m not Canadian but I love the Canadian flag-it’s unique, bold & iconic !!
@@Andy-dh9tq Canada is run by idiots.
@@cheerbozz_unique, bold, iconic_ ... it's a leaf.
I'll never give up our Union Jack.
Good for you.
But how is that relevant when you are not the nation of Australia?
A good question is, why?
@@danieleyre8913 I am Australian!
@@aguy6771 But you’re not Australia.
You can sit there and type that and even back it up with action, but it won’t make any difference to Australia the nation changing the flag.
@@danieleyre8913 Im a single part of a Big Nation, every little bit counts, where are you even from to comment on such a thing?
¿Why not just use The Eureka Flag?
Edit: Okay now I'm really starting to like this
The Eureka flag has an established meaning, which would be diluted by using it as a national flag. Same issue with the Aboriginal flag. We would be much better off designing an entirely new flag that has no other purpose than representing Australia.
@G G our current flag is a British Blue Ensign, defaced, something Britain used all over their empire. It's not ours, it's a symbol of British colonialism, it is most definitely broken as a national symbol of Australia.
@G G changing to an Australian flag would force our population to see ourselves as Australian, instead of British.
@G G Many do. Or at the very least, they see Australia and Australians as "of Britain". They hold British History, or the myth of that history, as sacred. They love having Britain as the main feature of our national flag. Even among those who want a new flag, there are a disturbing number of people who want to keep "British History" as the main feature. Our culture has some serious issues concerning racism! And apathy and ignorance, which may be the reason you laughed at my comment?
@@bcoo111, We should also get rid of the British monarchy as the British royals were responsible for the massacres and biological warfare of the Aboriginals with the openly racist and draconian White Australia Policy (WAP). Captain Cook landed in Botany Bay in April 20th 1770 by using Terra Nullius, "land belonging to no one" to claim it as colonial property of the British Empire under the British Crown. Many different Aboriginal tribes with various cultures and languages have been living on the Australian continent for more than 30,000 years. A republic needs to acknowledge Australia's brutal colonial past and reconcilate with the First Nation people's by signing one or several peace treaties.
I am of indigenous heritage and do not find the current flag unacceptable. It has been recognised for over 100 years and the Union Flag in the canton simply recognises a historical fact, not domination. If the US state of Hawaii can retain the Union flag in the canton in acknowledgement of its history, why cannot Australia?
I do not find the triple union flag aesthetically pleasing.
I'm a bit surprised to hear you support keeping the current flag, but I do agree with your comment. I'm glad I ain't alone about realizing that Hawaii ass the Union flag in their flag. Thank you.
Greetings from California. Although I'm American, I love Australia & want to visit one day🇺🇸💙🇦🇺
@@rabbidcrazy787 I am not committed to retaining the current flag but I am tired of the many anti-British myths that are taking hold in Australia based on an ignorance of the actual history.
I worked at Syracuse University decades ago as a 'post doctoral' research scientist. I found Americans friendly, welcoming and generous. I am still in regular email contact with a friend from there who is now a department head at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City. I will be visiting her in July and going to see the sights like the Grand Canyon and other parks. I was intending to do a one day raft trip on the Colorado river (I have rafting and kayaking experience) until I saw that as an 'adventutous activity' it would add almoust 1000 Australian dollars (currently USD 650) to my travel insurance.
I hope you can get here one day.
HAWAII HAS NEVER BEEN A PART OF THE BRITISH EMPIRE. WRONG. YOU HAVE BEEN DEFEATED.
@@aatishkhank4a444 I did not say that Hawaii was part of the British empire. But it does have the British Union flag in the canton of the state flag in acknowledgement of British influence. Google Hawaii state flag. All caps shouting does not make you right.
this was a great assessment on why Australia needs to change its flag and how should be done. while i completely agree with all the symbolism i cant help but feel like the main aesthetics of the flag could do with some work as the colours dont seem to work well with each other and its kind of hard to look at. other then that its a great video
Conquering the world is epic and we should be proud of it.
@@lightningfun6486
Cry me a river you fragile sissy! 50.000 years of aboriginal settlement and no cities, no streets, no agriculture, nothing! 200 years of European settlement and it's turned into one of the richest countries with one of the highest standards of living. If you think civilization doesn't and shouldn't come at a price, you don't deserve to share its fruits.
@@shantyclips6358 wow ur gay
@@remrod4718
U can't handle the truth...
@@shantyclips6358 us brits love you aussies. i hope you dont change the flag🇦🇺🇬🇧✊🏻
While the yellow sun on the black clashes a bit for me, everything ls about the flag is amazing, and god, those civil and miitary naval and air ensigns go hard.
I agree, the civil and military and a sea flag look really good
i only have one issue with this flag and that its that it seperates the groups of people in australia, even in the recent one word national anthem change they changed the word "young" to "one" and thats because we arent trying to seperate eachother, we are trying to come closer together and just realize we are all the exact same, Australians.
They changed that word from young to one because this land that you live on has a 40000+ history of the oldest continuous culture on earth. Not so young after all.
You're better off going with either one of these three or the kangaroo flag. One simple symbol is most recognisable. I'm Canadian, and we don't need a flag which represents every single group in this country. I'm fine with Australia keeping its flag though.
New Zealand almost chose The Laser Kiwi Flag. Maybe Australia should do a Laser Emu flag.
"Our battle will be legendary"
Nah
we dont need a new flag
ive been proud of it for 55 years
In your mission to create a flag that ‘unites’ Australians, you have ironically done the complete opposite. The mere visual compartmentalisation of the groups represented on your design, is an immediate undeniable visual message of disunity, not to mention that your symbolism and overall design are unnecessarily complex. The doctrine that every group of people must be directly represented on a national flag or else the flag is invalid, is a fundamentally misguided thought. A national flag, particularly one belonging to a country as diverse and as vast as Australia, must use the most absolute abstract symbolism possible and must never incorporate the standards associated with specific sub-populations. A notable example of a flag done right is the national flag of India, which represents over 1.3 billion people, 700+ unique ethnicities, and over 100 recognised languages. The Indian flag is composed of only a tricolour of green, orange, and white with a blue wheel in the middle, yet it is an iconic and memorable design 🇮🇳. Another notable flag is that of China, which represents a population of over 1.4 billion people composed of many different unique ethnicities and languages, using only a field of red and 5 gold stars in the canton 🇨🇳. Perhaps the most notable is the flag of Russia, which represents 18% of the entire world’s landmass, over 110 million people, and 23 autonomous republics with only a tricolour of blue, white and red 🇷🇺.
@@davis7099 You can integrate "identity politics" into your flag in an aesthetically pleasing way. For example, India 🇮🇳 has green for the Muslims, orange for the Hindus and white to symbolize peace. Similarly, Ireland 🇮🇪 has green for the Catholics, orange for the Protestants and white for peace. There's also South Africa 🇿🇦 which is a mix of the African 🇯🇲 and Dutch 🇳🇱 colors.
But this "Triple Union Flag" is just ugly and cluttered.
First of all, it makes sense for India's flag. But China and Russia? Dude, the former represents the authoritarian CCP, the government that is currently screwing up China itself and has a past association with the old USSR. Also, about Russia's flag, it was even older before the USSR and is not unique at all. It was even the flag of the old Russian Empire too and the blue, white, red are used by other Slavic nations such as Serbia, Croatia, and oh, get this, Slovakia and Slovenia (they sound too similar) had the same color pattern too like Russia's, only with different coats of arms on them. Exceptions still do exist such as Bosnia or Montenegro.
@@_blank-_ Wait till you see the older South African flag, eh? Or, the blue circle in Brazil's flag
I think most foreign countries would think changing Australia’s flag after her fighting men carried it through two world Wars is silly and disrespectful to the Veterans.
piffle - the current flag was formally adopted in 1953
Yeah, bring back the Union Jack as our flag, pounds & pence and chains as a measurement. And glad that the stupid queen is gone because our veterans fought for a King, the Union Jack and were paid in shillings. :)
I’m from a foreign country called New Zealand and no such illogical nonsense thought ever crossed my mind.
@@danieleyre8913 And the world cares so much what sheep island next door thinks that we let them speak for all the other countries of the world. So many times the worlds culture is changed by what the hobbits think.
@@danditto6145 Well the world cares about New Zealand and what we think as much as they do your country and what you think; where the world thinks that people ride Kangaroos and everyone is like Crocodile Dundee (or Steve Irwin). But then again maybe that’s a good thing for you that they aren’t more aware, imagine what they would think if they discovered how your country pretends that Aussie rules and rugby league are worthwhile and somehow good, how so many gamble people their lives away in it (and meth). just how bad you are at the brewing of beer and barbecue you declare you love so much, and how seriously you also take V8 Supercars. I mean do you imagine that Australia ever “changed the world’s culture”? Hahaha!
But on the actual topic: What you think makes no logical sense and is frankly childish. Nobody in any other nation would remotely think what you fantasise. You’re not even any nation that the rest of the world even associates with militaries nor with fighting in any wars. And the last thing any of your nation’s veterans cared about when they served (or sat in some Japanese POW camp) was its flag. A lot of those soldiers would’ve seen themselves as “British” anyway, especially during the First World War. Most of the other nations who fought in the war, and fought a lot more than Australia possibly could’ve, have changed their flags since. It’s an imbecilic thing to even correlate.
The canton does not represent superiority. It represents national unity. On the American flag, the canton is called the “union.”
Yet, the US replaced the Union Jack with stars symbolizing the US states when it gained independent. The Union Jack represents ownership. By having a Union Jack in the canton, Australia, New Zealand, other former colonies and current British territories show that they are still the property of the UK 🇦🇺🇳🇿🇫🇰🇫🇯
@@_blank-_ Very silly comment and obviously not true. It represents a historical connection. Even the US initially fought under a flag with the Union Jack in the canton. They were just butt hurt by the war and gave the finger by substituting for the stars and stealing a few "u"s from the language - but they still kept the British red, white, and blue. And they feel much better now. On a more serious note, it is amazing to me the rabid anglophobic bigotry given the supposedly "clawing" "British" so happily and peacefully transferred governance - for Australia in 1901. We should all think on Mel Gibson and remember how anglophobic bigotry is so often a leading indicator of mental illness.
No a thousand times NO leave our flag alone. It is part of our story.
The flag is great as it is
Amen
No
Great video supporting a messy and busy design. It gives a good point that the new flag should not be a redisign of the old one and then brigs a proposal which is a redisign. Then the symbolism of the elements is randomly chosen (seven continents, five oceans). Instead on basing the form on the symbolism it needs to present, here the symbolism adapts to the chosen form. It also resembles Nepalese flag, but that's the least of its sins.
I like the Triple-Union Flag personally, but how the hell does it resemble Nepal?
As an Australian I do really like this design but I’m a stickler for tradition and I believe we should have the union Jack in our flag so the design I’ve come up with uses the Eureka flag as a base has the union Jack in the top left corner the aboriginal flag in the top right the Torra straight Islander flag in the bottom left The Commonwealth Star as the centre star or maybe as all five of the points and in the bottom right I’ve just drown a southern cross but I’ve also thought of maybe having the coat of Arms or something but I caught the Australian multicultural flag not that I think we should necessarily change of flag in the first place but if we did I want want something with the Union Jack
Add a kangaroo ur over thinking this I am Aussie two and if I am going to vote for a flag when I am older it needs a kangaroo
There is nothing Racist about that Flag.
fascist!
@@DTczsk1999No, he isn't. Just because you don't agree with an opinion that isn't even discriminatory doesn't mean it's fascist. Maybe learn the meaning of the word before using it.
That thing looks like trash. Take a lesson from Canada, don't change your flag. It's perfect the way it is
We don’t need the Union Jack on the flag.
Canada changed their flag in like 1965...
You criticise several decent designs as being stylised versions of the current flag, and then propose your own stylisation
As someone not from Australia, I find The Triple Union Flag very beautiful.
*ugly
No
I'm not Australian, but this flag is truly genius!
I love the Australian flag and I don't want it to change
Same
I like the Flag you guys already have. Please don't change it!
It literally has no creativity. It has another countries flag on ours and 6 stars. You're so unoriginal
Ikr!
@@Shadoww733Yes, it does. So what if it has the Union flag? Fiji is a Republic & it still has it. Hate me all you want, but the Australia Flag looks better than most Arab flags, such as the flags of Palestine, Iraq, and Algeria.
the flag is outdated to a person with a 10 year olds brain
Which
8:38
>"most importantly, flags need to be unique"
>shows great flags that are not unique
He means they should be distinguishable enough even if they had similar design motifs
The Australian flag is extremely iconic, my friend. The US flag is based off the British East India Company flag and still represents all people of tons of different people from lots of different places. It’s not about what it was, it’s about what it is.
key words: based off
Notice how the US flag doesn't have the Union Jack? The US formed its own identity by symbolically removing the Union Jack from the upper left corner as a way to show they didn't want to be a part of the UK anymore during the revolution
This flag still has the Southern Cross, so it's based off the colonial flag while at the same time, symbolically removing the Union Jack to show Australia moving on its own path
@@primercommentario1. But some people still fly the Grand Union flag, which is one of the first US flags & it has the Union Jack on it. 2. I prefer the current Australian flag, in my opinion. 3. If the current Australian flag got replaced, this would mean it would no longer be shown at sports games such as the Fifa world cup or the Olympics. It would be sad to no longer see it at sports games anymore & if I wanted to see it at sports games, I would have to watch old broadcastings of past sports games matches. Why do so many people want the current Australian flag along with even the UK flag alone to end up in the same fates as the Yugoslavia, Soviet Union, or Kingdom of Portugal flags?
Australian born in Belgium here.
I like our present flag and what it represents!
Your 'interpretation' of history is wrong.
What it represents though?
EMPIRE @@harukrentz435
I prefer the one we currently have. Maybe because I am patriotic for europe despite the fact I live in australia but idk
Flags are not the priority right now. So many things to fix. Need i say more!
Im a migrant in Australia, and I suggest KEEP it the way it is. There is an Australian flag, Aboriginal and Torres ppls, 3 flags is way enough to make everyone happy. I am a white European and I have no problems waving any of the 3 flags we already have.
Australians died for the current flag, the UK was a core part of our history. The flag must stay as it is
If this turn into a countryball then the circle will turn into a patched eye
no no, have the left-eye colour be yellow
@@karlosdeevs bro has jaundice
@@Banbabna what about gout
Nah, it won't
@@karlosdeevs bro, please don't make it too disgusting, man
Looks shit - means nothing. Sick of bending anytime someone gets upset. Keep the Australian flag and the aboriginal flag. Happy to see both flying side by side.
I agree with keeping both. Also, it's actually the best looking compared to the other ugly redesigns.
Don't forget to include the Bolivian flag. Those 5 Bolivians in Australia deserve representation, and it would be a travesty not to recognize the important role they played in building the country.
the flag we have is perfect
No, it is not. How is having another countries flag on our flag perfect? The Australian flag literally has nothing
Agreed. Ignore the haters.
@@Shadoww844Yes, it is. So what if it has another country's flag? Hawaii has another country's flag & they like it.
@@rabbidcrazy787 Mate, the Hawaii King liked the flag. There's history behind it. Meanwhile, a genocidal happened in Australia
@@Shadoww844 What does the genocide have to do with the current Australian flag? It's not intended to promote genocide or anything like that, unlike the German third Reich flag.
Narrator: "Australia was the last continent to be discovered by Europeans"
Antarctica: Am I a joke to you?
He was supposed to mean last inhabited continent
Australians died for this flag never change those suggesting change ate in for a fight. Imigrants came to this country to this flag.
When we First Federalised and became a Commonwealth, all the states united under the Red Australian Civil Ensign. As the Blue Ensign (Now the National Flag) was discouraged by flag suppliers, State, Local and Australian Citizens at the time where expected to use the Red ensign.
In WW1 when Australia started to become separate from the British Commonwealth, Australian Forces fought and died under both the Blue Ensign and the Red Ensign, we only stopped using the Red Ensign until 1953.
damn, tories truly are a piece of work 😓
I like the australian flag i am australian and i hate when everyone one says its bad i dont care about the union jack
i loved everything you said (and fantastic video presentation. stunning.), and I 100% agree with your reasons for changing the flag.
I really reeeeeally wanted to like the design. But in my lay opinion, I must confess that I did not... it just looks too design-by-committee.. that there are too many ideas (visually and what they represent) on one flag, and the effect of each idea is diminished.
I suspect to win over a population, it will need to be instantly striking, likeable, and easy to understand (even if there are multiple layers of meaning), and possibly something that people are already familiar and comfortable with. Kangaroos and green-and-gold are obvious examples, but I also somewhat agree with your reasons for dismissing them as not representing Australian people / history.
Anyway, I wish I could be of more help, other than saying that I truly hope that this movement gathers momentum, I'll always vote for a new flag over the existing one.
the southern cross flag is the only one true Australians want
That was very interesting. Thanks for making the video.
Recognition of history is all well and good, but as others have pointed out, even creating a national symbol it’s best to not create one that flagellates one group while begging for an apology from the other. One might say “do it on your own time, not on the flag”.
An alteration to the design that I, and probably many others, thought of would be to set the sun in the center of the black and red fields and to have the eight pointed star set inside of it fully with its color split in half as the opposite of the fields they overlap (top half of the start inside the circle is red and the lower half is black). A reflection that though crimes of the past happened, not everyone even in the past committed them and that none today should ever commit them.
If the 🇦🇺 flag gets banned like the previous South African flag is, I will be sad.
What a shame that Australians went nuts. You really had a nice thing going on there.
your comments are offensive in view of the affection for the flag as it stands considering our multi cultural diversity as most still support it.
no, this flag tries to hard to be inclusive
I don't think it's the most "beautiful" flag, but it's so meaningful and (given the Kiwi referendum) makes sense as not extremely divergent in symbolism while being distinct. It seems to me the reason for the NZ flag staying the same was the fern didn't have great symbolism so keeping the flag as is was seen as no worse than an uninspired design. I think the K shape of the left devices is extremely underrated and I think you do a wonderful job explaining its significance. After the Minnesota state flag there's a precedent for this lovely 'inverted' triangle. Some have said the canton still feels like it exists, and I agree but that just points to the meaning that the aboriginal people are the stewards of the land and should receive more rights to that end. Regardless, the juxtaposition of so much history in a complex but not overwhelming flag is extremely admirable; if I can teach a country's whole history from their flag that's pretty amazing!
I will miss the current Australian flag if it gets replaced, tho. I hope it doesn't get banned & treated the same way as the third German Reich flag or the pre 1994 South African flag. The Australian flag shouldn't be treated similarly to those 2 flags I just mentioned. It would also be sad to no longer see the current Australian flag 🇦🇺 at the UN headquarters anymore.
@@rabbidcrazy787 Given it would still be referenced in the blue half, there is no reason the "old" australian flag would be banned.
@@abarette_Even though many young Australians think that the current flag is "racist" or "pro-genocide" just because it has a Union Flag (🇬🇧) on it? Someone even claimed that the Australian flag isn't much different from the N*zi Germany flag.
@@rabbidcrazy787 >someone even
Yeah there are retarded people everywhere however
As an non-Australian I have to admit I always thought the Australian flag was cool.
This union flag is just ugly, if they're going to change it they need to come up with something better.
They just need to think about what looks cool instead of just worrying which angles and colours will offend people.
No
As an Australian I don’t think it should be changed.
As an Australian, I think it should be changed. Literally has another countries flag on our flag. Literally no creativity there
@@Shadoww844Why? Hawaii has a union jack in their flag & they love it. Also, there are 3 other countries with a union jack: New Zealand, Fiji, and Tuvalu. Tuvalu tried changing their flag before, but it got backlash, so they changed it back. The only reason Hawaii isn't a country is because of the USA.
Also, no creativity? This is actually the most creative flag that has the Union Jack. Even more unique than Fiji.
@@rabbidcrazy787 it's litterally almost the same as New Zealand
As someone who collects Flags I wouldn't mind having that flag in my collection it is definitely unique looking
Crap can still be unique.
It had the Irish flag up there as people not represented on the Australian flag but it is the red x on the union flag is the st patricks cross representing Ireland pre independence
Litterally no one in Ireland or even any of the overseas diaspora want anything to do with the st. patrick’s cross, it‘s something the brits came up with in the late 18th century in order to fit their flag for the 1800 act of union. It is personally sth. completely outlandish and has nothing to do with being or feeling irish in a sense as many coin it: “a british invention for a people who never used it”. Ya might as well link it to old age Spain for all the good it ever did..
la agreed! The Celtic cross is the real st patricks cross!
@@karlosdeevs still represents the 6 counties in the north unfortunately
WTF Where’s the section that represents the the British which has helped creat the country we have ????
That's why the Australian flag is perfect as is.
@@alongsleep it is perfect. it may look generic but so does the us flag and that is iconic. so is australias. any change would ruin it.
@@Eureka2003 thats your opinion. speak for yourself.
Exactly, this is woke bullshit that wants to erase history. Represent everyone in Australia EXCEPT the Brits, fuck those guys... smh
@JohnDoe-yg2eu i think it looks good.
Just add another star to the flag of USA and use that, You might as well.
Lol
I support this flag
I'm not Australian, so it's not my issue, but for what it's worth, I like the Triple Union Flag .
There is a glaring problem with this flag: it's attempt to ingrain atonement into a nation symbol. This creates an environment of defeatist nihilism, pessimism, and having an undertone of us being submissive, complacent and self-loathing. This single element has the potential to ignite a civil war and will serve as a constant force pushing Australians apart. The original intention is not even a noble ideal, just stupid, masochistic, and suicidal.
If many of the reasons given here are reasons for changing the flag, we will never has a stable flag,
In my Opinion, the Australian Flag **SHOULDN’T** change. This is because changing the flag to be “more inclusive” is going to divide our wonderful nation.
The Aboriginals already have a flag and it is flown up with the Australian Flag. The Australian Flag symbolises the European Settlers while the Aboriginal Flag symbolises the Aboriginals. Same for the Torres Strait. These flags are all flown together @ parliament.
We can’t just dwell on History and how the Aboriginals had their land stolen, it was basically the Europeans job to settle new land for the convicts.
>7 continents
I don't think many Antarcticans are migrating to Australia 🤧
Just finished watching the whole video! VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT!!! I’m American by adoption from Eastern Europe with ancestors from North Africa, The Middle East and Asia and I’ve always been intrigued by Australia. I hope that this becomes the new flag! Heck even the American flag isn’t that well thought out when it comes to inclusion of first nations
What kind of flag design would ya recommend?
Lol, this flag looks like pac-man is trying to eat the Australian flag.
Doing a bit of colour swapping with the Greenlandic flag I came around to something like a black/blue flag with a yellow/red sphere, still feel like the colours contrast badly, but perhaps something like that would work, lob in the souther cross if you will.
As a person who quite likes our flag as is, I do have to say that if and when an Australian Flag referendum takes place I just might vote for it.
id be ok if it is a neautral flag that represents us the aborignal and toristrate flag dosnt represent me
@@brendonrookes1151 national symbols should not be ethnic symbols unless one ethnicity comprises the whole nation. Australia is not a union of ethnic groups it is a union of states.
@@croweater6814 man, it‘s both. Multifaceted, multilayered..
@@karlosdeevs no it's not, we either cast aside ethnic identities for civic nationalism or we lean into them, which means every ethnic group in Australia requires representation from Aboriginal to the newest sub Saharan African arrivals and everything in between.
It's untenable.
@@croweater6814 c‘mon. Everyone knows most new arrivals don‘t get much representation until later gens if at all. First people get first spotlight and that‘s in itself is only a small circle of significant minorities and all remaining abo tribes, hardly more. We all relate to who our forbearers were..
The aborginal flag is great, love the proposal for a new one, but dont disrespect the union jack, and tear it apart