Any wisconsinites that want to argue Wisconsin has more lakes, your state doesn't put a lower limit on lakes, and the number of lakes technically doubles every time it rains in Milwaukee.
To add as a Minnesotan, I feel old wavy is just too corporate and will be the new state flag. Us Minnesotans are used to being disappointed in the 11th hour ETA: I was thankfully wrong and it appears MN is going with the good Ole tri color ETA 2: the council changed the flag design removing the stripes
As a fellow Minnesotan, I absolutely cannot believe the commission got rid of the Starflake in favor of Old Wavy during the latest round of voting. The Starflake won a public opinion poll with over 12,000 respondents and it was also the commission's top vote getter in the vote to decide the six semi-finalists. But then it tied for last in the vote to decide the three finalists, thus getting eliminated. What changed?
The breaking news that matters. That said, I’m Australian. I have literally no skin in this game, most of my limited knowledge of MN is from watching Mighty Ducks movies, but am somehow invested. Good luck Minnesota.
I looked it up, pretty cool design, very similar to Polaris Tricolor. I imagine people with OCD would be very upset about it though. Way better than Old Wavy. Great job, my friend! :D
Cannot be understated how much "looks like a flag" is essential for designing a state flag. The tricolor is the only viable option bc the others are arguably banners and would look more at home on a dorm room wall instead of in front of the state house.
Being a Minnesotan I am so glad to be getting a redesign. I wholeheartedly agree with your preferences and so excited to see your reviews on these finalists!
It got all the way to the 1 yard line and.... they biffed it. I really don't understand why *so many* new flag designs are going for two shades of blue in the design.
The only reason I don't like Starrise (an otherwise good flag) is that I'm positive that I've stayed at an inexpensive hotel with exactly that logo. Or maybe a retirement home. It looks 'residential', like the flag of Minnesota's property development consortium, or something. I guess some people would say that's what a state is...
What is Ohio if not an inverted triangle? Also, I personally prefer "Old Wavy" over "Star Rise". "Star Rise" is the epitome of boring, just a word inside it away from being the logo of an agricultural company.
Honestly my first impression was it looks really cool, but it definitely doesn't look like a flag, like it could easily not stand the test of time, like corporate logos and such.
Out of all the craziness of recent times, this is what gets CGP Grey’s attention and it’s so incredibly on brand haha Edit: hell yeah baby the best flag won 👍
My own ranking: Old Wavy, then the tricolor, then the Star Rise. It's important, in my view, that the symbols in flags stand for something actually distinct about the place they honor. Every place has green land and blue skies. Every northern place cloaks its hills in snow. But to put the Aurora and the river in the shape of the state bird? That creates a meaningful distinction! It's sad that it doesn't have a representation of the Thousand Lakes, but neither do the other two. It'd have to be vert ten roundels azure, or something like that, to properly evoke "lakes" and not just "lake"!
I think Old Wavy is a pretty cool flag design. It's not every day you see something like that with no straight lines, but it doesn't particularly look messy at all. I like how the two blues, one white, and kind of muted yellow work well together. It gives off a welcoming vibe that's not too sharp or industrial. Plus, it kind of reminds me of the Cathay Pacific logo, which is one of my favorites. Old Wavy, like the Cathay Pacific logo, is simple but unique and has a certain charm to it. I prefer the third option for the Polaris design. The strong green color in the original option feels too harsh between the light blue and white colors. The third option's color scheme makes more sense to me. The sky is blue, the snow is white, and the landscape is a lush green. Although, if the third option kept the same colors as the first option, it would still work for me.
As a Minnesotan closely following this race, I've been a fan of Old Wavy since the beginning, and I still like it, but this video did raise the standing of Polaris Tricolor in my estimation (which is good, because it is now our flag). Also, it amuses me greatly to have one of my favorite TH-camrs commenting on my state's flag redesign ;)
Oh. My ranking was the reverse. Old Wavy looks distinctive and evocative, Star Rise has a similar idea but simplified, where as Polaris Tricolor looks like the flag of some small country I've never heard about.
I like the idea of the Old Wavy, but it's hard to make and paint. So it gets a no. Good point about hanging Star Ride vertically. So I agree, Polaris Tricolor is good and can work even on an international level. And, kids can draw it in crayon.
At first, I didn’t like any of them, but Grey, you got me interested on Polaris Tricolor. The thing that bugged me the most about the two other flags is that they looked like paintings, and going off your criteria for grading the state flags, “a flag is not a painting.”
As a Minnesotan who loves flags, YES POLARIS TRICOLOR! Come on flag committee, please make good choices. But also, disappointed that we don’t get laser loon.
Born and raised Minnesotan Art Director. Popping in to say thanks for the video, and also, your opinion is correct. I particularly like your consideration for the vertical hang, which really makes Polaris Tricolor even *better*, and is an easily overlooked aspect.
The Polaris Tricolor isn't just mimicking the state shape, it's a quarter of the Mi'kmaq star (8 pointed tribal star design) that all three non-finalist flags have.
The moment I saw the Polaris tricolor I was like THAT ONE! It really is shocking that the K or inverted triangle hasn't been done before. As Grey said, it feels so natural in the context of flags.
Another Minnesotan here also rooting for Polaris Tricolor! The next meeting of the redesign commission is like 12 hours from now, we'll see what happens next! (Polaris Tricolor DID have the most votes outright when they narrowed it down from 6 to 3!)
As a new Minnesota resident, im pulling for Polaris Tricolor. It was my favorite from the start (other than laser loon and Republic of Minnesota with a mosquito)
As a Minnesotan, I will be livid if the tri-color is not chosen. You guys seriously have no idea how long I've had the North Star flag as my profile pic. Seriously, there needs to be actual vexillological experts with the decision power.
I’ve been wondering your thoughts. Everyone in the Twin Cities I’ve spoken too about the flag design attribute it to two things: 1. The Tribes 2. CGP Grey.
I'd love the laser loon, but this video has convinced me that the polaris tricolor would be pretty great, even if I was cold towards the 6 finalists initially.
Am I the only one who thought that little tangent of state seals sounded like a great video. Like Grey ranking them like he did the state flags would be a great watch
lol. I paused to form my opinion and came to “Old Wavy is *definitely* the coolest design but doesn’t feel like the right choice.” (because Polaris, duh) And then got immediately verbally rebuked when I unpaused.
As a Minnesotan and also a graphic designer, I would love to see the Polaris Tricolor flag become our state flag. Star Rise is too simplistic imo, Old Wavy looks more like "modern art" or maybe a painting rather than a flag and would also not age well, but the tricolor flag represents our state the best out of the 3 finalists. It represents our lakes, grasslands, snow, and being the North Star state.
As a Minnesotan. My favorite is by far Polaris Tri-color. The one change I would make, is the blue stripe. I feel like it is too light. And it should be a darker blue, like a medium color blue. But keep it like it is muted.
full agreement here, I had the ame ranking when I paused to rank them myself. You much better articulated why old wavy seems off to me, great work there.
The final flag has been selected: th-cam.com/video/XvDFrBRpo20/w-d-xo.html
NAME FOR YEARLY THEME- STEADY AS SHE GOES!
Really disappointing, the tricolor looked so good
For anyone who thinks Minnesota is exaggerating about its 10,000 lakes: there are actually 11,842 lakes that are at least 10 acres or larger.
We like humility us Minnesotans
If people don't believe 10,000 then wait until they hear about Manitoba...
And don't let anyone from Wisconsin tell you they have 15,000. They define "lake" as anything larger than a puddle.
I always wondered about that
Any wisconsinites that want to argue Wisconsin has more lakes, your state doesn't put a lower limit on lakes, and the number of lakes technically doubles every time it rains in Milwaukee.
As a Minnesotan I am disappointed that we did not get laser loon.
I cried. I love laser loon.
Get over it we gotta start freaking out about a future with old wavy above our heads
As a Minnesotan, I wanted the Starflake (aka F29) to be our new flag. I’m adopting as the New Minnesota Flag in protest anyway!
Looks with freaking "laser beams"
We need a seal ranking video!
Oh yes, please do! (The audience must be fed mwhahaha!)
You really don't. Texas will just win that also, and if you think we are insufferable after the flag video, just wait.
THIS
I like harbor seals!
@@bozimmerman It ain't bragging if you really got it.
To add as a Minnesotan, I feel old wavy is just too corporate and will be the new state flag. Us Minnesotans are used to being disappointed in the 11th hour
ETA: I was thankfully wrong and it appears MN is going with the good Ole tri color
ETA 2: the council changed the flag design removing the stripes
I think at first glance I liked old wavy but every time I look at it I'm like "Yeah... no" and I do fear it will become our new state flag...
As a fellow Minnesotan, I absolutely cannot believe the commission got rid of the Starflake in favor of Old Wavy during the latest round of voting. The Starflake won a public opinion poll with over 12,000 respondents and it was also the commission's top vote getter in the vote to decide the six semi-finalists. But then it tied for last in the vote to decide the three finalists, thus getting eliminated. What changed?
Offda, you're a Vikings fan, I can tell. As Red Green says "I'm pulling for ya, we're all in this together."
@tommyfrerking indeed I am. My first disappointment was the missed field goal of 2015 in then tcf stadium
Keep your stick on the ice@@tommyfrerking
The breaking news that matters.
That said, I’m Australian. I have literally no skin in this game, most of my limited knowledge of MN is from watching Mighty Ducks movies, but am somehow invested. Good luck Minnesota.
We've got our own flags of varying quality. Best? NT. Worst? ACT. The designer himself has disowned it.
Watch Fargo it will add to the experience 😂😂😂
-Brainerd resident
When I first saw the tricolor flag I thought it was good, but I now really like it because I realized looks great vertically.
Hey I know it's too late but I just wanna tell everyone I designed F304 and I'm very proud to say it was one of the finalists before the final 6.
I looked it up, pretty cool design, very similar to Polaris Tricolor. I imagine people with OCD would be very upset about it though. Way better than Old Wavy. Great job, my friend! :D
As an Austrian, I was surprised to see our flag under the "tri-color examples", seeing as it's red, white, and *the exact same* red again... :P
I believe maybe by tri-colour he meant tri-bar? Otherwise that's a serious blunder.
You have quite an odd definition of "serious". at worst, it's a minor typo.
Cannot be understated how much "looks like a flag" is essential for designing a state flag. The tricolor is the only viable option bc the others are arguably banners and would look more at home on a dorm room wall instead of in front of the state house.
Being a Minnesotan I am so glad to be getting a redesign. I wholeheartedly agree with your preferences and so excited to see your reviews on these finalists!
As of today Polaris Tricolor has been selected by the committee. It is now considering variations to the design.
Sadly, they removed the tricolor and left it as a light blue field. I preferred the three colors.
The only problem with Polaris tricolour is that it’s too good. Like it’s surpasses “state flag” look and creeps into the “country flag” look.
Honestly agree, Minnesota should become a country
Could not agree more! I think the rule "looks like a flag, not a corporate logo" is going to be increasingly important for flag redesigns.
I am in the (apparently very small) group that likes Old Wavy the best, but all three of these flags are massive improvements over the current one.
Minnesotan born and raised and I love seeing your opinions on our new flags, especially since they mirror my own!
It got all the way to the 1 yard line and.... they biffed it.
I really don't understand why *so many* new flag designs are going for two shades of blue in the design.
I don't think swooshes belong on flags. Old Wavy is a swoosh logo. It's more appropriate for a 2000s company.
The snowflake with the north star in the background was so amazing. I am angry it got cut
I paused the video when asked and ended up agreeing exactly with Grey, EXCEPT THAT NO Old Wavy would be better than the current flag!
So much better than our current flag...
Minnesotan here - You should make a reaction video to the variation of the Polaris Tricolor that was chosen. I think they butchered it.
The only reason I don't like Starrise (an otherwise good flag) is that I'm positive that I've stayed at an inexpensive hotel with exactly that logo. Or maybe a retirement home. It looks 'residential', like the flag of Minnesota's property development consortium, or something. I guess some people would say that's what a state is...
What is Ohio if not an inverted triangle?
Also, I personally prefer "Old Wavy" over "Star Rise". "Star Rise" is the epitome of boring, just a word inside it away from being the logo of an agricultural company.
I preferred Star Rise until you mentioned how it would look hanging vertically. After that, I'm with you 100% on Polaris Tricolor.
A winner has been announced
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Polaris no stripes. It is only the light blue on the right side.
I am honestly disappointed. Sorry, Minnesotans
United States seal tier list perhaps?
Pssst! Minnesota made a final choice. You're going to be disappointed.
Calling it now, next CGP Grey video will focus on State Seals.
I didn't dislike Old Wavy but my God the inverted triangle as a simplification of Minessota itself is OUTSTANDING. Go Polaris tricolor!
Polaris Tricolor is my favorite for sure. It needs to be the official flag RIGHT NOW!!!
Chances Grey sees this are low - but they made a final decision and I’m waiting with bated breath for his new rank…though I fear the disappointment
Guys the flag they chose is the Polaris tri color flag but the stripes are light blue and the inverted triangle is dark blue 😢 Minnesota failed us
My favourite was actually star rise …until you showed it sideways. Yeah okay, polaris tricolor it is.
the old wavy hate is insane yo
Honestly my first impression was it looks really cool, but it definitely doesn't look like a flag, like it could easily not stand the test of time, like corporate logos and such.
Out of all the craziness of recent times, this is what gets CGP Grey’s attention and it’s so incredibly on brand haha
Edit: hell yeah baby the best flag won 👍
After dubbing the current flag I the worst, his opinion was very much required.
It seems they neutered it by removing the horizontal stripes.
Polaris Tricolor is easily S-tier!
It’s in a tier of its own above S…
My own ranking: Old Wavy, then the tricolor, then the Star Rise. It's important, in my view, that the symbols in flags stand for something actually distinct about the place they honor. Every place has green land and blue skies. Every northern place cloaks its hills in snow. But to put the Aurora and the river in the shape of the state bird? That creates a meaningful distinction!
It's sad that it doesn't have a representation of the Thousand Lakes, but neither do the other two. It'd have to be vert ten roundels azure, or something like that, to properly evoke "lakes" and not just "lake"!
I think Old Wavy is a pretty cool flag design. It's not every day you see something like that with no straight lines, but it doesn't particularly look messy at all. I like how the two blues, one white, and kind of muted yellow work well together. It gives off a welcoming vibe that's not too sharp or industrial. Plus, it kind of reminds me of the Cathay Pacific logo, which is one of my favorites. Old Wavy, like the Cathay Pacific logo, is simple but unique and has a certain charm to it.
I prefer the third option for the Polaris design. The strong green color in the original option feels too harsh between the light blue and white colors. The third option's color scheme makes more sense to me. The sky is blue, the snow is white, and the landscape is a lush green. Although, if the third option kept the same colors as the first option, it would still work for me.
So many of those redesigns look like the field on a business card
As a Minnesotan closely following this race, I've been a fan of Old Wavy since the beginning, and I still like it, but this video did raise the standing of Polaris Tricolor in my estimation (which is good, because it is now our flag). Also, it amuses me greatly to have one of my favorite TH-camrs commenting on my state's flag redesign ;)
Oh. My ranking was the reverse. Old Wavy looks distinctive and evocative, Star Rise has a similar idea but simplified, where as Polaris Tricolor looks like the flag of some small country I've never heard about.
Old Wavy looks like a 1990s-era software splash screen. The only thing missing is a background gradient.
I like the idea of the Old Wavy, but it's hard to make and paint. So it gets a no. Good point about hanging Star Ride vertically. So I agree, Polaris Tricolor is good and can work even on an international level. And, kids can draw it in crayon.
Old Wavey takes it for me
*Pauses the video* Okay left and right are both good, but which one's the best. Uhhhh Old Wavy! *Unpauses the video* Aw come on!
At first, I didn’t like any of them, but Grey, you got me interested on Polaris Tricolor. The thing that bugged me the most about the two other flags is that they looked like paintings, and going off your criteria for grading the state flags, “a flag is not a painting.”
I totally agree with that ranking. However I don't even hate Old Wavy that much. These are all improvements I think.
Grey got his wish!
They picked the Polaris Tricolour.
However they may still tweak with certain things of the flag
The voters picked the Polaris tricolour. The committee... biffed it.
As a Minnesotan who loves flags, YES POLARIS TRICOLOR! Come on flag committee, please make good choices.
But also, disappointed that we don’t get laser loon.
Born and raised Minnesotan Art Director. Popping in to say thanks for the video, and also, your opinion is correct. I particularly like your consideration for the vertical hang, which really makes Polaris Tricolor even *better*, and is an easily overlooked aspect.
I thought old wavy was pretty cool...
The Polaris Tricolor isn't just mimicking the state shape, it's a quarter of the Mi'kmaq star (8 pointed tribal star design) that all three non-finalist flags have.
Hey congrats, you made the news here in Minnesota!
We have the exact opposite taste in Flags, Gray. I like the Tricolor one the least, and I like "Old Wavy" the most.😅
I completely agree with all of your takes.
Polaris Tricolor just looks right. Official. Traditional. Clean.
I like "Old Wavy" myself.
The moment I saw the Polaris tricolor I was like THAT ONE! It really is shocking that the K or inverted triangle hasn't been done before. As Grey said, it feels so natural in the context of flags.
The wavy flag looks like a logo for a company that sells Solutions and Insights or something.
This is what gets CGP Grey to make emergency videos 👍
I absolutely love the Polaris Tricolor as a native Minnesotan. That "K" shape on the flag is something you see everywhere.
Did you really shame an entire state into picking a new flag. Well done. Well done.
Yes Grey get distracted, NEED THAT SEAL VIDEO!
Another Minnesotan here also rooting for Polaris Tricolor! The next meeting of the redesign commission is like 12 hours from now, we'll see what happens next! (Polaris Tricolor DID have the most votes outright when they narrowed it down from 6 to 3!)
As a new Minnesota resident, im pulling for Polaris Tricolor. It was my favorite from the start (other than laser loon and Republic of Minnesota with a mosquito)
You should re-grade the new Minnesota flag pls
As soon as you showed the polaris tricolor hanging vertically, I was so on board.
I'm kind of sad that #408 didn't make the shortlist, despite its vexilogical flaws
I am a Minnesotan. If it's not Polaris Tricolor, I'm moving.
Also, that new state seal is AWESOME.
As a Minnesotan, I will be livid if the tri-color is not chosen. You guys seriously have no idea how long I've had the North Star flag as my profile pic. Seriously, there needs to be actual vexillological experts with the decision power.
How badass would it be to be able to point at a state flag and say "I designed that"
I’ve been wondering your thoughts. Everyone in the Twin Cities I’ve spoken too about the flag design attribute it to two things: 1. The Tribes 2. CGP Grey.
Star Rise looks like a bank logo.
Just saw the design Minnesota finally picked, I didn’t like it on the screen, but photographs of it flying actually look amazing
I'd love the laser loon, but this video has convinced me that the polaris tricolor would be pretty great, even if I was cold towards the 6 finalists initially.
First impressions video on Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/minnesota-flag-93369610
Polaris Tricolor for me: it actually looks like a flag and not a drawing with a star on it
initial impression of the three
Star Rise: Meh.
Old Wavy: Ugh.
Polaris Tricolor: Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Am I the only one who thought that little tangent of state seals sounded like a great video. Like Grey ranking them like he did the state flags would be a great watch
It would be cool to see a video ranking each state's seals.
As a Minnesota resident, I'm hoping for Polaris tricolor to win, but wouldn't mind Star rise.
The tricolor is awesome. The other two flags look like drink cup designs.
Oh thank heavens! It’s a Christmas Miracle!
lol. I paused to form my opinion and came to “Old Wavy is *definitely* the coolest design but doesn’t feel like the right choice.” (because Polaris, duh) And then got immediately verbally rebuked when I unpaused.
I really kinda like old wavy its wavy and pretty and i bet it looks cool flapping in the breeze
Yes Minnesota! I still miss the Nordic inspired flags, but these are pretty good
"Snowflake" Flag was robbed. Rebels unite!
Its great Minnesota did, and so many other states should
Minnesota, please know that whatever new flag you choose, we the love you for getting us another video from Grey
As a former Minnesotan (and current Minnesota-neighbor) I absolutely think Polaris Tricolor is the way to go.
Old Wavy might work as a company logo but ABSOLUTELY NOT as a flag.
As a Minnesotan and also a graphic designer, I would love to see the Polaris Tricolor flag become our state flag. Star Rise is too simplistic imo, Old Wavy looks more like "modern art" or maybe a painting rather than a flag and would also not age well, but the tricolor flag represents our state the best out of the 3 finalists. It represents our lakes, grasslands, snow, and being the North Star state.
As a Minnesotan. My favorite is by far Polaris Tri-color. The one change I would make, is the blue stripe. I feel like it is too light. And it should be a darker blue, like a medium color blue. But keep it like it is muted.
and they messed it up more then we thought
The fact that I'm watching a TH-cam video about a flag for a state I don't even live in, is a testament to just how good Grey's videos are.
Maine is also getting a new flag. Well, sort of. The old flag from 1901-1909. Very nice!
They sort of chose your favorite, removed the stripes though
Yeah which really ruined the design, it looks so flat and bland now.
Agreed. 'Polaris Tricolor' for the win. Also, it would look good as part of a license plate & help with identification there too.
Tbh Star rise looks more like a logo for a hospital or something than a flag
full agreement here, I had the ame ranking when I paused to rank them myself. You much better articulated why old wavy seems off to me, great work there.