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@NikkiStevenReact - Horses are called a team, a stable, or a troop if they are working together. A group of all male horses are called a harras and a group of all female horses are called a sting.
Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls in Canada and the US is an ongoing crisis with more missing everyday year, month, day. 💔 Thank You Taylor for giving this some attention on your show. 🙏🏼
@@victorclemente-mt4to Oh she definitely does, even Taylor Sheridan was upset upon finding out she lied about her heritage. He made it a point to only hire indigenous actors for indigenous roles. You can have your opinion, sure, but Taylor was doing this a certain way, and she lied to get the part.
@@NikkiStevenReact, watching 1883 will explain the importance of the land. And the promise that passes from generation to generation. Then 1923 just builds on it.
@@victorclemente-mt4to So do you watch 1923 before 1883, or the other way around? IIRC I think 1923 came out first (not sure) so I guess that can't be wrong, but maybe there's some value to watching 1883 first..? o.O
There was a point where I just couldn’t tolerate Beth anymore…and we are getting close to it. She can get on your nerves. Having said that, I feel bad for what happened to her. I also feel bad for Jamie. He is what John made him and when he made that decision he was like 16 or 17 as well. He was a scared kid. The true villian is John. His kids were terrified of him and he bears the responsibility for the decisions that led to that..
JAMIE WAS ON HIS WAY TO COLLEGE HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER. SHOULD HAVE TOLD BETH AND GAVE HER THAT DECISION. HE ALSO SHOULD HAD WENT WITH BETH TO TELL HER FATHER.......JAMIE GETS NO LOVE FROM ME
@@virgoqueen8950 Why are you yelling? 17 or even 18 year olds make stupid decisions all the time. Again, he was just as scared of John as Beth. To him, he was making a decision so that John never found out. It was the wrong decision, but there was no malice in it.
People like to shit on Jamie but to be honest John is not a great father either… he turned Jamie that way and at this point Jamie is always struggling to find a place on this family… look what he did is wrong but he was young and did something that can’t be undone. I wish more people can understand both sides of the story.
I think people don’t realize how Beth with all of her faults has seen how corrupt he is. She is broken as much as anyone, but she takes ownership of what she does. It is not only that he took the decision from her, it is that he doesn’t feel remorse. He justifies everything he does in his mind. Even the murder he committed. He takes his decisions based on his fear of being rejected or because of status. She knows what being ruled by fear brings, so she conquered herself. She prefers to face life and foes wildlessly rather than be ruled by sin. He is sin personified. He is the Abel spirit personified. Not all mistakes are justifiable. You repent and change and wear your mistake as a badge that will prevent you to become what you’ve seen you can become. He does all the time the opposite. He doesn’t deserve compassion. There is a point in your life that you need to decide who you are and stop blaming your parents on your issues.
@TylerHollywoodJB It is abit false to call it baby murder. It's entirely different to murder a real baby vs preventing someone from giving birth to one. The latter is not something that is alive yet. I know how touchy that subject is, but it's not the same thing. Not to mention Jamie didn't do it, it was the doctors and Beth would have to give consent. When there's 3 groups involved in order for something to happen, it's not right to blame only 1 person aka Jamie.
Beth did not go to Jaime for help. She knew he was the only one she could manipulate into doing what she wanted and keeping it quiet. The rest of her brothers would have had her tell their dad and he would've went off on Rip for getting her pregnant. She isn't innocent in this whole situation.
This was teenage Beth, not adult Beth. She asked for help, she didn't manipulate her almost 18 year old brother into getting her an abortion. This is the craziest take I have heard.
If you go back and watch, Jamie did it to protect the Dutton (his fathers) name. He was concerned that taking Beth to a non res clinic would go public and taint the Dutton name.
But she would be able to have other kids …. And you don’t know what John would do, he would protect Beth. The name is not important to him, but his family is.
@@isabellawong8744 i don’t understand your question! I am clearly saying it was Beth who should chose for herself!!! Jamie took that choice from her when he didn’t tell her about the sterilization part.
@@isabellawong8744 The problem is, John hammered into his kids to protect the ranch and the family name. He was a terrible father, and their mother was a terrible mother. None of them had a chance to be anything but a broken mess.
Jamie made a bad call, but Beth was the one who made him make that call. Jamie didn’t wake up and wondered how he could ruin Beth’s life that morning. Jamie made one bad decision that sits atop of the mountain of bad decisions Beth made prior to his, and she knows it. You can tell most of the foul things Beth says to Jamie are her self-projecting.
Yes, Jamie made a terrible mistake, but he was maybe 17 and Beth asked him to help and prolly to make sure dad and no one else finds out. Jamie had to make a quick choice with little options.
Yup, that was the original prophecy as well. The Duttons would control the land for 7 generations then it would return to the natives. Tate is the 7th generation and native.
I hate what happened to Beth but I don't fault Jamie. John was mad Kasey didn't take Monica to the clinic. Consequences of being fearful of your parent.
@@victorclemente-mt4to Beth was a kid too following your thinking!!! and a 17 yrs old is one year to the legal adulthood!!! He should be able to understand that when it comes to a life decision it should be done by the concerned, you don’t chose for them!
@@TheJessy8888, they both were kids making decisions above their full understanding. The whole thing is awful, but I think Beth overblames him when she created the situation to begin with.
I think that Jamie did what he did out of genuine concern for Beth. She was in trouble and needed it fixed NOW. They were in an impossible situation and they were both young and relatively naive. There was no animus toward Beth, imho. Jamie fooked up by not telling her the full story … he didn’t let HER make the decision.
@@Hellish-qx4eq yeah he definitely had that concern as well, but that puts a lot of the blame back on John who I believe is the real person with accountability in this situation.
The bread they were making in the beginning is fry bread. It’s basically a doe boy without the powdered sugar. It’s a staple in most native communities.
I live on a reservation where it takes 2-3 hours to get emergency help. Not everyone has running water or electricity and some places you have to drive to get signal. And non natives can’t be prosecuted on reservations MMIW look that up
The Seneca Nation has an Amber Alert system. Although we do have the Casino's and Tobacco industry. Being able to sell tobacco at a lower rate and tax free has added much needed revenue
The day beth tells rip what jamie did to her will be his last day on earth.😂 P.s i think its also the reason in the show on why beth doesn't tell rip the full truth,she knows that he will go berserk on jamie and it is a established fact that no one can save you from rip wheeler(he is literally like the boogeyman of the show).
That’s ridiculous, if anything Rip should be mad at Beth for killing their baby and then lying to him about it. She’s still keeping that secret from him.
@@victorclemente-mt4to except she could have kept the baby if she had just talked to John, that’s likely her biggest regret but she was a child, Jamie wasn’t and didn’t give her all the information to make an appropriate descision that’s what makes the difference
@@cloudedcolour5329 she could have and should have talked to her parents. Whether she kept the baby or not. Jaime at 17 was a child, as was Beth at 14. Neither understood the full implications or consequences they faced.
Aside from the fact that it's a masterpiece (imo), 1883 shows us the journey of suffering and loss (via the Oregon Trail) to get the land. 1923 is filming season 2, which will begin the fight for the la nd. These are beautiful, epic stories.
I understand that, but it does seem to border on admiration at times, and I guess I find that a little disturbing lol. You aren’t the outliers on this either, so maybe it’s me! Personally, as messed up as Jamie is, I sympathize with his plight much, much more. His family demands utter obedience and in return he gets treated as the outsider anyways. Fun times in the toxic Dutton family! Love your content, as always!
There are plenty of people who hate Beth and that's understandable. But like we always talk about, when watching these show we check out of reality and try to enter the world we are watching - not sure if would be a good experience if we just hated on all the main characters every episode. Would we want to be friends of Beth IRL? Fuck no!!!!! She's scary as hell and is a destroyer of worlds. Just like most of the characters "we love" in the stuff we watch, they all do bad shit but we play along because that makes for a much better person viewing experience.
@@NikkiStevenReact Great point and I generally agree. A compelling character is a compelling character. I don’t hate Beth, per se. It’s like rooting for Walter White or something along those lines to me. I mostly shake my head in horror at everything they do but I can’t stop watching.
@NikkiStevenReact Thanks for saying that, it explains a lot and it makes me understand how you guys think. And I'm not saying that's wrong at all!! Just let's me enjoy the reaction even more because of a greater understanding :)
The whole Jamie situation is just a bit weird. He was young and naive obviously, but he did make a HORRIBLE mistake in taking such crucial parts of life away from Beth. Even though yes she shouldn’t have put him in that position, he still made a bad choice when he didn’t necessarily have to. But Beth is reaching a point where her rage and pain at Jamie, still pretty justifiably so since he’s still sort of avoiding blame, is starting to affect others around them and I don’t think that’s fair to her loved ones.
Just want you to know Niki that being a mom is no small goal. It's beautiful and fulfilling and I just know you are an amazing mom. I also think Steven is a awesome dad. I love your reactions and wish you both the best in all you do.
People cheer for Beth like she isn't some psychopath with a vendetta against her brother, that she created in the first place. Just look at her face when she was hiding listening to Jamie talking to Casey.. she wants Jamie gone and the guilt she has for making Jamie involved in her situation at 17 years old she transforms it into malice against him and acts like he wasn;t a kid and should have known better... Jamies entire life has been trying to live up to Johns standards and has been forced down Johns path for him.. dudes been mentally sabotaged since day 1 and Johns the one who did it and then gets mad at what hes created lol. They are all pretty shitty people, Casey is the only one who isn't fully off his rocker, besides his ease with offing people but he only does it to those who deserve it, but he doesnt purposely fuck with people and start shit.
Beth talks to Jamie like he is 100% to blame and she had nothing to do with what happened to her. She had sex with Rip. She got pregnant. She went to Jamie (who was also a young person) as if he was her best option… And someone please explain to me how a medical facility in America in the 1990’s can do what they did to a patient, a teenager at that without completely explaining the ramifications.
A lot of reservation clinics gave mandatory hysterectomies to native american women as a matter of policy, that's why the nurse told Jamie to take Beth somewhere else.
@@ecksearoh6283yeah, that still doesn’t explain why Beth Dutton, arguably the most well known (white) teenage girl in the state didn’t receive an explanation as to what was gonna happen to her and WHY.
ive commented this before on a previous reaction but nows the perfect time to mention it again. i know yall have expressed admiration for taylor’s writing and direction in the past. it’ll be a hard watch for nikki, but please watch wind river. written and directed by taylor, has several of the same actors as in this show, and deals with the massive issue of murdered and missing indigenous women. such a good story told brilliantly.
1. You gotten remember that Beth came to an 18 year old Jaime to fix her problem without John knowing. An 18 year old who wasn't thinking about the future, he was thinking of the here and now. Him not admitting to the harm that was caused is probably his way of relieving himself of the guilt. The same guilt that wouldn't change anything if he carried it around on his sleeve. 2. The Guy on the Buffalo videoes is fucking hilarious. 3. Buffaloes can be trained to be rode, just like a horse. So jumping on one and just hanging on doesn't count as animal abuse.
I still feel bad for Jamie because imagine trying to keep your family safe and Beth says hey take me for an abortion. Well you pnly have one place you can go and he did it. I know its a show but honestly as a teenager i don't think i would know what sterilizing means. I also wonder if she had the baby if that wouldn't have ruined Rip and Johns relationship. I mean your only daughter gets knocked up by a dude that has a troubled past and your "famous" so they entire world is gonna know. I just try and remember its a show and not to read into it much but ive always felt bad for Jamie. John never loved him like his other siblings and thats even before he knew what he did to Beth. Jamie said he didn't even want to be a lawyer but John forced him into it and almost seems like john hates him for being a lawyer even tho he made him into a lawyer? Good show but on a side note i don't understand why people hate adoptions so much. I knpw its not the same but i can't see not being able to have kids and say im not gonna adopt a child. You want a child and a child wants a stable home and family. Way to many kids grow up without ever being adopted which is extremely sad. Also typically the people who would make the best parents are usually the ones that cant have children for whatever reason and the people who are monsters typically can have 1,000 kids
Consider wedgie'ing the Taylor Sheridan movie Wind River in about here in the Yellowstone sequence. It's part of Sheridan's 4 pack of Sicario, Wind River, Hell, or High Water and Sicario 2. WR touches on the same issues as this sequence of episodes. WR is a powerful flick, but, as with all of Sheridan's stories, it ain't no day at the beach.
The "It was all for nothing...everything I've done, it's all for nothing" is the scene in the entire show that made me, as a grown man, cry the most because I can't help but imagine seeing my own father saying that about me and my siblings if we'd done something so horrible to the family legacy. To accomplish so much but it's not the thing YOU WANT to accomplish, that despair-level disappointment while people on the outside basically worship him for his perceived success. It's like a Shakespearean tragedy, all the money and resources in the world, but they may as well be useless because the one free thing you want money can't buy. I really hope to never find myself in any of these situations.
Jamie has always been treated different by Beth and John. Spoiler He doesn't know why and that is why he seeks approval. We all find out in the next season. That's why John doesn't want him to have anything to do with the ranch. Lee dying changed that. Beth is most to blame for her situation.
25:18 RIGHT there, I think that's the first and only time you see Kayce look GENUINELY *SCARED* when he asks what's going on, because he's probably never seen John THAT angry.
I'm the opposite of you, Nikki. I've known for most of my life that motherhood isn't for me. Don't get me wrong. I love kids! I've dedicated my life (career) to the kids. Both choices are okay, but what's not okay is this shaming of motherless children lately. Lets spread love!
@amybowens1503 Thank you, that's important. I'm lesbian and can't get kids if not donation or adoption. Me and my gf could eventually do that, but right now, we don't want to.
What did she say that makes you feel like she’s shaming anyone? Anything Nikki says is strictly how she personally feels. She is not a judgmental person and doesn’t fault or judge anyone for any kind of decision they make.
@davidallred2947 nothing. I'm sorry if my statement seems like it's attacking Nikki. I love these two, and I would never try to shame or upset them. It was simply a statement about the current environment here in the States. Muchnlove everyone, I meant no offense.
The one thing that I appreciate about the Yellowstone and its spinoff shows is the acknowledgement of the disparity of life on the reservation. The reservation is what I consider as an illegal concentration camp that was established over a 100 years ago.
@@randyg.1836 Interesting history fact: Hitler applauded the U.S. government for how they treated natives on reservations and residential schools. He took the idea and used it as inspiration for his own camps…
Out of curiosity how do you hide a hysterectomy, the stitches the recovery time being sent into early menopause the HRTs not to mention being laid up for days because you have to heal, I don’t think the writers of this storyline had a uterus 😂😂
right lmaoo and how did they just do it without speaking to the actual person getting the procedure? a bit of a convoluted storyline when i think about it.
Don't assume that a book smart kid, especially a boy will fully understand female surgical or medical proceedures , My son went to university eventually , was always a good student , but at 16 years of age he asked me what a " miscarriage" was , It opened up a discussion and he also didn't really know what an abortion was, Now I was a registered nurse and always open with my kids about anything they asked me , Who did Jamie have after his mother died ? Based on this I'm assuming Jamie possibly didn't fully understand what " steralization" really meant , Maybe I'm being too kind
@goeltrolden He grew up on a cattle farm, not a breeding facility. And as a kid he probably had little to nothing to do with the actual work. Especially handling that. Also, animals and humans are not the same and have different terms. You have no proof that he knew. It's also still not fair to make his life miserable forever because of it, how does that help? Jamie is the best person in the family (other than Tate) the one that tries the hardest for selfless reasons. If all he asks for is respect from his dad, that's a small ask. In the first place, that should be given freely to your children. Terrible father.
@@Mystra what exactly do you think happens at a cattle farm? They breed livestock. My family bred donkeys when I was growing up, and I learned everything about the process before I was 10. By 18, Jamie would be fully aware of how it worked.
@goeltrolden Maybe under normal circumstances, but John never wanted him to be involved with the farm as we seen. There's not much reason to assume that he was. He didn't fit in at all with the other cowboys in the bunkhouse. Not to mention Yellowstone isn't exactly your normal farm.
@@goeltroldenJaime was somewhat sheltered from the farm life, John had different plans for him. Just like Beth doesn’t know everything about the ranch. She doesn’t know about all the killings and murders, she doesn’t even know about the train station.
It’s just like myself. I didn’t take high school seriously and it costed me later but at the time you don’t fully grasp consequences that will shape your entire life at that age. Not a perfect example but anyway lol
It is so funny because I am TEAM BETH ALL THE WAY. My 81 year old mother does not like her at all and thinks she is to hard on Jamie! We get in Discussions on this all the time. I will admit that as a irl who is the oldest child with two younger brothers I think I can relate with Beth because I was raised to be be tough and my brothers were spoiled because they were boys. I am not complaining because I am a better person for it, but I think that is why I love Beth.
I was working at White River Reservation Hospital at Fort Apache in Arizona, I met a woman that was raising her sister's kids because she was murdered on the reservation the tribal police investigated but had to turn it over to the FBI which were indifferent to her murder. They knew who did it, including the tribal police and the county sheriff's office. But the way the law is written, the FBI has sole responsibility for investigations on tribal lands. Like I said in a previous post about Planned Parenthood what it's goals were about people of color and Native American girls and women. Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) was a racist and pure evil.
Everyone jumps on Jaimie about what he did to Beth, but nobody looks at the other side of it. Beth put herself in a horrible situation, and then put Jamie in the middle of a horrible situation. Jamie was a kid still himself. At that young age he tried to help his sister while protecting his father's name. Did he make a bad decision? Yes, but don't forget Beth put him in that situation. Beth should have told John. Yes he would have been upset, but that would have been the right thing to do. Both Jamie and Beth are responsible for that horrible situation and decision.
I've a sneaking suspicion that this whole legacy "curse/burden/responsibility" is gonna devolve onto Tate, whose distinct character forming will grace him with the vision to sideways the issue out onto a broad stable grounding of peace, justice and invulnerability.
i really think Jamie is just aloof, he is "smart" but not in common sense.... i think he knew Beth would push him to get it done even when she was younger, i think she made it clear she didnt want people knowing she had an abortion and i think Jamie just thought it was for the best? but who knows?
Beth made a bad choice which led her to make an irreversible decision... which led Jamie to make an irreversible decision. All the choices and decisions were being made by teenagers... young teenagers.
This whole pile on Jamie isn’t fair… it just isn’t fair to put it all on Jamie. Jamie was a child, too. You think a 15 or 16 year old knows what sterilization or hysterectomy is? A child cannot think past the next 15 minutes on a good day which is why another child, Beth, ended up preggos in the first place. When will Beth take just the slightest amount of responsibility for her own choices? She was just as equipped to ask questions at that clinic that day, too… if not more so. When have you ever known Beth to be “helpless”?
If you have watched 1883 this whole thing with Beth and Tate take even more of importance. If you remember the Native American Chief that told James Dutton about Paradise Valley ( Yellowstone ), told James that in seven generations his people would rise up and take the land back. Now count: James: 1st Generation----John 2nd generation----Jack 3rd generation----(Mystery person that there is a debate even exist) 4th generation----John Prime:Kevin Costner 4th or 5th generation-----Casey 5th or 6th generation----- Tate 6th or 7th generation. So if the prophecy is true Tate is half Native American so he would be the ONE that will take the land back.
So glad you guys are doing this show, it took me awhile to start watching it, I binge it back in January and I immediately started 1883 then 1923, hope you guys do both of those. Beth's storyline breaks my heart I'm extremely pro life and I cried so hard for her
Love me some Cold Stone Cream Austin. 👍🤣 15:40 If Hassie Harrison liked Old Dudes like her character seems to...I'm gonna go ahead and be happy about that, 'cuz she is among the most gorgeous Ladies on the planet. She's also really funny in Tacoma F.D.😻 19:29 This story is as true, as it is heart-breaking, as it is horrifyingly common over the centuries and to this day. Slavery was terrible, but it was never America's Original Sin (nor its worst).
You were fine with the age gap of Wyatt and Darlene but draw the line here? Also let’s think 2 sided here about Jamie and Beth. They are both to blame. Jamie isn’t the bad guy.
I feel like at root most drama is John’s fault, he try’s to manipulate and make his kids be something they didn’t want to be and then he shows no love and does nothing to help improve relationships.
Unfortunately, on the reservations, we are mostly on our own. The US government doesn’t help even though treaties call for them to. In one year there were 5,712 reported cases of missing American Indian and Alaska Native women and girls. The U.S. Department of Justice missing persons database only documented 116 of those. They don’t take us seriously, and once enough of us die out, they can posses the reservation land also. That’s the whole point of blood quantum and minimum requirements to be an enrolled tribal member also. May 5th is MMIW day, because it is the birthday of Hannah Harris who was murdered on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation. Her family tried to report her missing, authorities told them “she’s probably drunk, she’ll be home when she sleeps it off” (yes, they used the stereotypical drunk native trope) her family investigated themselves, found the people who last saw her and turned them into authorities. They were questioned and let go. In the end, it was found out that they were the ones who murdered her. The indigenous community is close-knit, yes because of our culture, but also because we understand only we will take care of each other.
The Seneca Nation, here in Western New York, has several Casino's and a thriving Tobacco industry. Where we sell tobacco by the pound and carton much cheaper than the main Brands, and tax free. All Reservation's should have this advantage
Although I've often advocated for Sharing National Casino profits with the Entire Nation. Not just the local homes and politician's, but every other Nation in the country. Here we have had problem's with Taxes and the State reversing on our Treaty.
You could have assimilated. Instead, you chose independence. Taking care of yourselves and your own goes hand in hand with independence. Just because you aren't prepared doesn't mean you get to put blame on whoever you think is the popular choice for condemnation...
@@TylerHollywoodJB How could we? Our leaders were stuck in the past glory days. Just like the south was/is in love with Dixie. Stuck in the past. Our leaders chose for us. Most still don't have choices on how we do things.
@@LezArtist5iG Definitely. It’s still a broken system for us when chief and council get to decide where all the money goes. It tribal money, should be shared with the entire tribe.
What Jamie did was wrong and heinous...... Buuuuuttttt he was a child who had an adult situation forced upon him. Now as an adult he should be able to look back and see how wrong it was in hindsight. The writing in this is outstanding. Taylor Sheridan nails it just about every time. All the big and little complexities of people. It's amazing to watch and play out. I think most people can identify with aspects of most of the characters which really gets you invested in where this all goes.
I feel for Jamie, he too was a child when he thought he was trying to help. Granted it was a mistake, but he never set out to hurt his sister. Beth never takes any responsibility for her part in the situation.
tThe buffalo scene is ridiculous... We have neighbors with buffalo. They'll throw a horse 15 feet in the air with just a twitch of their neck. That's while gorging them all the way through with their horns. You're DEFINITELY not going to rope a buffalo "by the horns" and pull them to a stop. Mostly because you won't be able to catch them and then they'll drag a horse around until the horse can't walk anymore. But I guess this is a TV show.
i've been dreading watching this reaction especially that last scene. so much going on. so much yet to happen. spoiler: be prepared to have kleenex near by
Beth and Jamie both blames themselves, Yes Jamie doesn't want to take accountability, but imagine how hard it's on him, knowing he made a decision to kill not only a nephew/niece, but also his sister's chances at a child. they are examples of two extremes. Jamie is what John created him to be and Beth is what blaming her mothers death on her created her into... the only thing John never counted on what how his perspective would change on how Jamie turned out. Hence why Even Beth knows That Jamie isn't completely at fault for what he is.
It was policy for Indian Health Services to do these types of hysterectomy on young native women. It stopped around 1978s. I had a few distant aunties and cousins of mine. Sad piece of US history.
Maybe if John and his late wife were less cruel to their children growing up, he might have more grandchildren today. I think John has earned a lot of the bad will here.
It's so HYPOCRITICAL and mean to see Beth's victimhood and put all the blame on Jimmy for the abortion story... saying "oh, she was just a teenager"... yeah, but Jimmy WAS ALSO JUST A TEENAGER AT THE TIME, she was the one who looked for him, he didn't want to go there, and she insisted that he go. And then she just puts all the blame on him?!? She doesn't take responsibility for HER COWARDICE in taking responsibility for the baby, and she still ruins her brother's life.
They mentioned in passing what happened with the young woman state attorney. I think she took a job in Washington or something? I don't remember the specifics.
Beth wanted the procedure so she has to be accountable for that. And imo she is. She has been self destructive, kept herself away from Rip, then she told him she couldn’t give him a family & she regrets that. She discussed how the decision she made out of fear destroyed her. But she did not decide to be sterilized. Jamie decided. He stole her chance to have children from. And it wasn’t bc he didn’t understand…he’s very smart. He did it bc of pride. Jamie wanted to protect the Dutton name more than he wanted to protect his sisters bodily autonomy. He didn’t want anyone to know she got pregnant which is why he took her to the reservation and refused to go elsewhere even when he was warned what would happen to Beth. That’s also why Beth is right that John will never truly respect him. John cares about legacy. He would’ve put Beth and her chance to have children in the future ahead of whatever gossip would’ve come from it getting out she was pregnant.
Honestly, the more I sit with this show the more I start to agree with Beth's description of Jamie. Jamie is a very sympathetic character, and Beth also goes way too far in her hostility towards him (bc...y'know, it's Beth), but she's totally correct: Jamie's first instinct will always be to protect himself. When I look back on what Jamie did to Beth, it becomes super obvious to me that yeah, actually, he did that to protect HIMSELF, not Beth. He could've taken Beth to another clinic and then protect/defend her once John found out, but that would implicate him. John would KNOW he was involved, and we all know he can't risk losing John's approval. I'm sure he genuinely wanted to help his sister, but I think he also (maybe without realizing it himself) did so in such a way where it would cause HIM the least amount of personal trouble (at the time). Why else would he not tell her about the sterilization? Because telling her might make her wanna go to another clinic, one more likely to leak the news to John, and I think on a subconscious level Jamie already wanted to ensure that wasn't an option she knew to take.
This show has so many plot holes and disappeared characters. You just have to ignore all that and go with it. In regard to the Beth/Jamie conflict. In the context of this show, I understand why she is angry, 20 years later. It’s horrifying. Did Jamie FULLY understand, as a 19 year old male, what sterilization meant? So far, we don’t know. The way she went to him and asked him to help her, makes me think that they had a normal brother sister relationship, up to that point. They have given us no reason to think he did this maliciously, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Regarding the Indian Health Services storyline, I know that was the policy back then. Sterilization after abortion. But I don’t know how realistic it is that Beth was sterilized, with a hysterectomy in a clinic the same day. From what I understand, a hysterectomy is an inpatient procedure where you have to stay a few days and you are completely anesthetized during the surgery. That was my best friend’s experience, anyway. Certainly not in a clinic, same day. If she thought she was just getting an abortion, a procedure you walk in and out of the same day without being fully unconscious, you cannot tell me that Beth Dutton would not have made a loud scene about what was happening to her. This is just one of the things I feel like I have to turn off my brain for to enjoy this show.
Had Beth just gone to her father about being pregnant she wouldn't have to blame Jamie for anything. Same goes for her telling Jamie that Rip is the father. On the off chance the he got told by her that it was Rip's baby, he probably wouldn't have gone to the clinic, but John himself. I like Beth better than Monica, but literally on a continuous venture this all the Beth and Jamie storyline's driving force has to offer. None of them should have made the decision to act. Talking to John could have been the safest thing for Beth and Jamie.
Beth and rip adopt a boy so in season 5 I think Tate kinda has a cousin/ friend he almost had a brother till Monica miscarried also not sure if they showed it yet but Jamie is adopted so not sure if his kid would be considered family but technically would be tates cousin, Beth and rip get married even tho rip deserves much better than her, John almost dies gets shot to shit all the ranch hands get branded after they kill wade
whatever you dont blame Beth for being a nasty and hateful person. worst character ever. SO saying Jamie "should have known what sterilization meant,,,but lets forget about Beth being trashy and doing whatever she wants with no worries of any accountability....
I don't blame Jamie for Beth, she was the one that was irresponsible. She screwed up. Not Jamie. If didn't try to hide it, she could've unalived the baby and gone on to do it over and over again. It's probably best she could only do it once
Beth can still have a baby with a surrogate. They took her uterus, not her ovaries. I have no idea if that will play out later, but they leave ovaries to maintain hormones.
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You should check out Wind River. A Taylor Sheridan film. A few Yellowstone actors come out also. Great film. Sad.
@@RAvila53it would be a perfect movie night movie.
@NikkiStevenReact - Horses are called a team, a stable, or a troop if they are working together. A group of all male horses are called a harras and a group of all female horses are called a sting.
Great mini series you should watch “We were the lucky ones” based on a true story
Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls in Canada and the US is an ongoing crisis with more missing everyday year, month, day. 💔 Thank You Taylor for giving this some attention on your show. 🙏🏼
Why I recommend Wind River also by Taylor Sheridan. On point with this crisis.
I just wish he actually checked when casting indigenous people. Kayce’s wife isn’t even native.
@Hellish-qx4eq I agree, its a great movie
@@salvadormartinez8577, she doesn’t need to be, they are actors. Actors don’t need to actually be what they are portraying, hence the acting 🎭
@@victorclemente-mt4to Oh she definitely does, even Taylor Sheridan was upset upon finding out she lied about her heritage. He made it a point to only hire indigenous actors for indigenous roles. You can have your opinion, sure, but Taylor was doing this a certain way, and she lied to get the part.
I know you guys have mentioned it, but watching the prequels will add to the impact of the generational focus of the show. They’re really good too.
We will for sure watch them.
@@NikkiStevenReact, watching 1883 will explain the importance of the land. And the promise that passes from generation to generation. Then 1923 just builds on it.
@@victorclemente-mt4to So do you watch 1923 before 1883, or the other way around? IIRC I think 1923 came out first (not sure) so I guess that can't be wrong, but maybe there's some value to watching 1883 first..? o.O
@@phj223 no 1883 came out first so definitely watch that first. 1923 is still supposed to have a second season🤞
@@nandoman4769 Oh ok, thx 😊
There was a point where I just couldn’t tolerate Beth anymore…and we are getting close to it. She can get on your nerves. Having said that, I feel bad for what happened to her. I also feel bad for Jamie. He is what John made him and when he made that decision he was like 16 or 17 as well. He was a scared kid. The true villian is John. His kids were terrified of him and he bears the responsibility for the decisions that led to that..
I could be wrong but I think he was 18-19 at the time.
@@Caleb17-ym6pq Maybe, but I think at one point they said he was 1 or 2 years older. Could be wrong, though.
JAMIE WAS ON HIS WAY TO COLLEGE HE WAS OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW BETTER. SHOULD HAVE TOLD BETH AND GAVE HER THAT DECISION. HE ALSO SHOULD HAD WENT WITH BETH TO TELL HER FATHER.......JAMIE GETS NO LOVE FROM ME
@@virgoqueen8950 Why are you yelling? 17 or even 18 year olds make stupid decisions all the time. Again, he was just as scared of John as Beth. To him, he was making a decision so that John never found out. It was the wrong decision, but there was no malice in it.
The Movie , Windriver, is a good representation on what happens on indian reservations
Love watching your reactions, and I'm so glad you're watching this show!
People like to shit on Jamie but to be honest John is not a great father either… he turned Jamie that way and at this point Jamie is always struggling to find a place on this family… look what he did is wrong but he was young and did something that can’t be undone. I wish more people can understand both sides of the story.
Unfortunately, there are far too many who are "baby murder, okay", "consequences of baby murder, not okay."
I think people don’t realize how Beth with all of her faults has seen how corrupt he is. She is broken as much as anyone, but she takes ownership of what she does. It is not only that he took the decision from her, it is that he doesn’t feel remorse. He justifies everything he does in his mind. Even the murder he committed. He takes his decisions based on his fear of being rejected or because of status. She knows what being ruled by fear brings, so she conquered herself. She prefers to face life and foes wildlessly rather than be ruled by sin. He is sin personified. He is the Abel spirit personified. Not all mistakes are justifiable. You repent and change and wear your mistake as a badge that will prevent you to become what you’ve seen you can become. He does all the time the opposite. He doesn’t deserve compassion. There is a point in your life that you need to decide who you are and stop blaming your parents on your issues.
Exactly. They honestly sound like media has corrupted the senses
@TylerHollywoodJB It is abit false to call it baby murder. It's entirely different to murder a real baby vs preventing someone from giving birth to one. The latter is not something that is alive yet. I know how touchy that subject is, but it's not the same thing. Not to mention Jamie didn't do it, it was the doctors and Beth would have to give consent. When there's 3 groups involved in order for something to happen, it's not right to blame only 1 person aka Jamie.
@@MTech07That's your opinion
Beth did not go to Jaime for help. She knew he was the only one she could manipulate into doing what she wanted and keeping it quiet. The rest of her brothers would have had her tell their dad and he would've went off on Rip for getting her pregnant. She isn't innocent in this whole situation.
The only other option she could’ve went to was Lee
This was teenage Beth, not adult Beth. She asked for help, she didn't manipulate her almost 18 year old brother into getting her an abortion. This is the craziest take I have heard.
@@merlemccabe1393 Beth never manipulated any of her family, John, Casey, even Monica, Did you even watch the same show ?
If you go back and watch, Jamie did it to protect the Dutton (his fathers) name. He was concerned that taking Beth to a non res clinic would go public and taint the Dutton name.
But she would be able to have other kids …. And you don’t know what John would do, he would protect Beth. The name is not important to him, but his family is.
Still, it was her choice to do, if he let her choose she wouldn’t be blaming him afterwards.
@@TheJessy8888 would you do the same to your sister?
@@isabellawong8744 i don’t understand your question!
I am clearly saying it was Beth who should chose for herself!!! Jamie took that choice from her when he didn’t tell her about the sterilization part.
@@isabellawong8744 The problem is, John hammered into his kids to protect the ranch and the family name. He was a terrible father, and their mother was a terrible mother.
None of them had a chance to be anything but a broken mess.
All the flashbacks and details unraveling also make the rewatch of past seasons even better
Jamie made a bad call, but Beth was the one who made him make that call. Jamie didn’t wake up and wondered how he could ruin Beth’s life that morning.
Jamie made one bad decision that sits atop of the mountain of bad decisions Beth made prior to his, and she knows it. You can tell most of the foul things Beth says to Jamie are her self-projecting.
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Beth should accept the fact she was the one that spread her legs and killed the results.
Thank you someone else out there gets it
Yes, Jamie made a terrible mistake, but he was maybe 17 and Beth asked him to help and prolly to make sure dad and no one else finds out. Jamie had to make a quick choice with little options.
@@thephantompenance 💯 💯 💯
If Tate inherits it all then they both get their way. It stays in the family and gets returned to a tribe member.
Yup, that was the original prophecy as well. The Duttons would control the land for 7 generations then it would return to the natives. Tate is the 7th generation and native.
You may be onto something.
I hate what happened to Beth but I don't fault Jamie. John was mad Kasey didn't take Monica to the clinic. Consequences of being fearful of your parent.
Yeah idk why John’s manipulating and lack of love for his kids doesn’t get talked about more.
@danielkirk6983 Yeah it's weird
I agree, we are blaming a 17yr old Jamie for a situation he didn’t create. I place 95% of the blame on Beth.
@@victorclemente-mt4to Beth was a kid too following your thinking!!! and a 17 yrs old is one year to the legal adulthood!!! He should be able to understand that when it comes to a life decision it should be done by the concerned, you don’t chose for them!
@@TheJessy8888, they both were kids making decisions above their full understanding. The whole thing is awful, but I think Beth overblames him when she created the situation to begin with.
Nikki's shirt is absolutely perfect! 😂
I think that Jamie did what he did out of genuine concern for Beth. She was in trouble and needed it fixed NOW. They were in an impossible situation and they were both young and relatively naive. There was no animus toward Beth, imho. Jamie fooked up by not telling her the full story … he didn’t let HER make the decision.
He seem more concerned about the reputation of the family name.
@@Hellish-qx4eq yeah he definitely had that concern as well, but that puts a lot of the blame back on John who I believe is the real person with accountability in this situation.
I agree but like you said he was just a kid
@@dingobaby9600John is the villain imo
@@Mystra 100%
The bread they were making in the beginning is fry bread. It’s basically a doe boy without the powdered sugar. It’s a staple in most native communities.
I live on a reservation where it takes 2-3 hours to get emergency help. Not everyone has running water or electricity and some places you have to drive to get signal. And non natives can’t be prosecuted on reservations MMIW look that up
The Seneca Nation has an Amber Alert system. Although we do have the Casino's and Tobacco industry. Being able to sell tobacco at a lower rate and tax free has added much needed revenue
The day beth tells rip what jamie did to her will be his last day on earth.😂
P.s i think its also the reason in the show on why beth doesn't tell rip the full truth,she knows that he will go berserk on jamie and it is a established fact that no one can save you from rip wheeler(he is literally like the boogeyman of the show).
That’s ridiculous, if anything Rip should be mad at Beth for killing their baby and then lying to him about it. She’s still keeping that secret from him.
@@victorclemente-mt4to except she could have kept the baby if she had just talked to John, that’s likely her biggest regret but she was a child, Jamie wasn’t and didn’t give her all the information to make an appropriate descision that’s what makes the difference
@@cloudedcolour5329 she could have and should have talked to her parents. Whether she kept the baby or not. Jaime at 17 was a child, as was Beth at 14. Neither understood the full implications or consequences they faced.
Aside from the fact that it's a masterpiece (imo), 1883 shows us the journey of suffering and loss (via the Oregon Trail) to get the land. 1923 is filming season 2, which will begin the fight for the la nd. These are beautiful, epic stories.
It never ceases to amaze me how so many people actually like Beth. She’s an awful psychopath who should be behind bars lol.
Probably because we are watching a TV show and she’s highly entertaining and unpredictable. Great characteristics for a wild show like this.
I understand that, but it does seem to border on admiration at times, and I guess I find that a little disturbing lol. You aren’t the outliers on this either, so maybe it’s me!
Personally, as messed up as Jamie is, I sympathize with his plight much, much more. His family demands utter obedience and in return he gets treated as the outsider anyways. Fun times in the toxic Dutton family!
Love your content, as always!
There are plenty of people who hate Beth and that's understandable. But like we always talk about, when watching these show we check out of reality and try to enter the world we are watching - not sure if would be a good experience if we just hated on all the main characters every episode. Would we want to be friends of Beth IRL? Fuck no!!!!! She's scary as hell and is a destroyer of worlds. Just like most of the characters "we love" in the stuff we watch, they all do bad shit but we play along because that makes for a much better person viewing experience.
@@NikkiStevenReact Great point and I generally agree. A compelling character is a compelling character. I don’t hate Beth, per se. It’s like rooting for Walter White or something along those lines to me. I mostly shake my head in horror at everything they do but I can’t stop watching.
@NikkiStevenReact Thanks for saying that, it explains a lot and it makes me understand how you guys think. And I'm not saying that's wrong at all!! Just let's me enjoy the reaction even more because of a greater understanding :)
The whole Jamie situation is just a bit weird. He was young and naive obviously, but he did make a HORRIBLE mistake in taking such crucial parts of life away from Beth. Even though yes she shouldn’t have put him in that position, he still made a bad choice when he didn’t necessarily have to. But Beth is reaching a point where her rage and pain at Jamie, still pretty justifiably so since he’s still sort of avoiding blame, is starting to affect others around them and I don’t think that’s fair to her loved ones.
Just want you to know Niki that being a mom is no small goal. It's beautiful and fulfilling and I just know you are an amazing mom. I also think Steven is a awesome dad. I love your reactions and wish you both the best in all you do.
People cheer for Beth like she isn't some psychopath with a vendetta against her brother, that she created in the first place. Just look at her face when she was hiding listening to Jamie talking to Casey.. she wants Jamie gone and the guilt she has for making Jamie involved in her situation at 17 years old she transforms it into malice against him and acts like he wasn;t a kid and should have known better... Jamies entire life has been trying to live up to Johns standards and has been forced down Johns path for him.. dudes been mentally sabotaged since day 1 and Johns the one who did it and then gets mad at what hes created lol. They are all pretty shitty people, Casey is the only one who isn't fully off his rocker, besides his ease with offing people but he only does it to those who deserve it, but he doesnt purposely fuck with people and start shit.
true I agree with you. 100%
Beth talks to Jamie like he is 100% to blame and she had nothing to do with what happened to her.
She had sex with Rip.
She got pregnant.
She went to Jamie (who was also a young person) as if he was her best option…
And someone please explain to me how a medical facility in America in the 1990’s can do what they did to a patient, a teenager at that without completely explaining the ramifications.
A lot of reservation clinics gave mandatory hysterectomies to native american women as a matter of policy, that's why the nurse told Jamie to take Beth somewhere else.
@@ecksearoh6283yeah, that still doesn’t explain why Beth Dutton, arguably the most well known (white) teenage girl in the state didn’t receive an explanation as to what was gonna happen to her and WHY.
ive commented this before on a previous reaction but nows the perfect time to mention it again. i know yall have expressed admiration for taylor’s writing and direction in the past. it’ll be a hard watch for nikki, but please watch wind river. written and directed by taylor, has several of the same actors as in this show, and deals with the massive issue of murdered and missing indigenous women. such a good story told brilliantly.
Plus a favorite actor of theirs... 🤐
1. You gotten remember that Beth came to an 18 year old Jaime to fix her problem without John knowing. An 18 year old who wasn't thinking about the future, he was thinking of the here and now. Him not admitting to the harm that was caused is probably his way of relieving himself of the guilt. The same guilt that wouldn't change anything if he carried it around on his sleeve.
2. The Guy on the Buffalo videoes is fucking hilarious.
3. Buffaloes can be trained to be rode, just like a horse. So jumping on one and just hanging on doesn't count as animal abuse.
Group of horses is either a herd or band.
Herd
I still feel bad for Jamie because imagine trying to keep your family safe and Beth says hey take me for an abortion. Well you pnly have one place you can go and he did it. I know its a show but honestly as a teenager i don't think i would know what sterilizing means. I also wonder if she had the baby if that wouldn't have ruined Rip and Johns relationship. I mean your only daughter gets knocked up by a dude that has a troubled past and your "famous" so they entire world is gonna know.
I just try and remember its a show and not to read into it much but ive always felt bad for Jamie. John never loved him like his other siblings and thats even before he knew what he did to Beth. Jamie said he didn't even want to be a lawyer but John forced him into it and almost seems like john hates him for being a lawyer even tho he made him into a lawyer? Good show but on a side note i don't understand why people hate adoptions so much. I knpw its not the same but i can't see not being able to have kids and say im not gonna adopt a child. You want a child and a child wants a stable home and family. Way to many kids grow up without ever being adopted which is extremely sad. Also typically the people who would make the best parents are usually the ones that cant have children for whatever reason and the people who are monsters typically can have 1,000 kids
Consider wedgie'ing the Taylor Sheridan movie Wind River in about here in the Yellowstone sequence. It's part of Sheridan's 4 pack of Sicario, Wind River, Hell, or High Water and Sicario 2. WR touches on the same issues as this sequence of episodes. WR is a powerful flick, but, as with all of Sheridan's stories, it ain't no day at the beach.
Jamie is a complicated guy not a villain in my opinion. The villain is his father
I agree, he loves the land more than his own kids.
The "It was all for nothing...everything I've done, it's all for nothing" is the scene in the entire show that made me, as a grown man, cry the most because I can't help but imagine seeing my own father saying that about me and my siblings if we'd done something so horrible to the family legacy. To accomplish so much but it's not the thing YOU WANT to accomplish, that despair-level disappointment while people on the outside basically worship him for his perceived success. It's like a Shakespearean tragedy, all the money and resources in the world, but they may as well be useless because the one free thing you want money can't buy.
I really hope to never find myself in any of these situations.
Jamie has always been treated different by Beth and John.
Spoiler
He doesn't know why and that is why he seeks approval. We all find out in the next season. That's why John doesn't want him to have anything to do with the ranch. Lee dying changed that.
Beth is most to blame for her situation.
Been waiting all day for the upload lol
Beth better hope Rip doesn't find out about the baby, because she never told him. That might be Jamie's revenge before this series comes to an end?
25:18 RIGHT there, I think that's the first and only time you see Kayce look GENUINELY *SCARED* when he asks what's going on, because he's probably never seen John THAT angry.
I'm the opposite of you, Nikki. I've known for most of my life that motherhood isn't for me. Don't get me wrong. I love kids! I've dedicated my life (career) to the kids. Both choices are okay, but what's not okay is this shaming of motherless children lately. Lets spread love!
@amybowens1503 Thank you, that's important. I'm lesbian and can't get kids if not donation or adoption. Me and my gf could eventually do that, but right now, we don't want to.
Can you clarify "shaming of motherless children"?
What did she say that makes you feel like she’s shaming anyone? Anything Nikki says is strictly how she personally feels. She is not a judgmental person and doesn’t fault or judge anyone for any kind of decision they make.
@@NikkiStevenReact I got the feeling they are talking about in general rather than you guys. At least that's what I'm talking about
@davidallred2947 nothing. I'm sorry if my statement seems like it's attacking Nikki. I love these two, and I would never try to shame or upset them. It was simply a statement about the current environment here in the States. Muchnlove everyone, I meant no offense.
The one thing that I appreciate about the Yellowstone and its spinoff shows is the acknowledgement of the disparity of life on the reservation. The reservation is what I consider as an illegal concentration camp that was established over a 100 years ago.
@@randyg.1836 Interesting history fact: Hitler applauded the U.S. government for how they treated natives on reservations and residential schools. He took the idea and used it as inspiration for his own camps…
If John had been a better father Beth would have gone to him when she got pregnant. Plus his own sons don't want to be like him
Out of curiosity how do you hide a hysterectomy, the stitches the recovery time being sent into early menopause the HRTs not to mention being laid up for days because you have to heal, I don’t think the writers of this storyline had a uterus 😂😂
You can have a vaginal hysterectomy and the ovaries can be left intact
right lmaoo and how did they just do it without speaking to the actual person getting the procedure? a bit of a convoluted storyline when i think about it.
Don't assume that a book smart kid, especially a boy will fully understand female surgical or medical proceedures , My son went to university eventually , was always a good student , but at 16 years of age he asked me what a " miscarriage" was , It opened up a discussion and he also didn't really know what an abortion was, Now I was a registered nurse and always open with my kids about anything they asked me , Who did Jamie have after his mother died ? Based on this I'm assuming Jamie possibly didn't fully understand what " steralization" really meant , Maybe I'm being too kind
He grew up on a breeding farm. He understood exactly what was happening
@goeltrolden He grew up on a cattle farm, not a breeding facility. And as a kid he probably had little to nothing to do with the actual work. Especially handling that. Also, animals and humans are not the same and have different terms. You have no proof that he knew. It's also still not fair to make his life miserable forever because of it, how does that help? Jamie is the best person in the family (other than Tate) the one that tries the hardest for selfless reasons. If all he asks for is respect from his dad, that's a small ask. In the first place, that should be given freely to your children. Terrible father.
@@Mystra what exactly do you think happens at a cattle farm? They breed livestock. My family bred donkeys when I was growing up, and I learned everything about the process before I was 10. By 18, Jamie would be fully aware of how it worked.
@goeltrolden Maybe under normal circumstances, but John never wanted him to be involved with the farm as we seen. There's not much reason to assume that he was. He didn't fit in at all with the other cowboys in the bunkhouse. Not to mention Yellowstone isn't exactly your normal farm.
@@goeltroldenJaime was somewhat sheltered from the farm life, John had different plans for him. Just like Beth doesn’t know everything about the ranch. She doesn’t know about all the killings and murders, she doesn’t even know about the train station.
Teenagers don't understand permanence
It’s just like myself. I didn’t take high school seriously and it costed me later but at the time you don’t fully grasp consequences that will shape your entire life at that age. Not a perfect example but anyway lol
Love the Cold Stone shirt 😂😂
I love Beth. The only thing I would blame her for is not having protection while doing Rip. Also knowing how John was at the time.
I need that cold stone t-shirt in my life!
I love that you're in California. I'm 4-5 hours north of you.
9:54 The one thing Taylor Sheridan does well with the Yellowstone universe is shine a bit of a spotlight on what goes on with the American people
Duuuuuuude we used to laugh our asses off in middle school on the bleachers to “guy on a buffalo” I didn’t know it made it into the show!
It is so funny because I am TEAM BETH ALL THE WAY. My 81 year old mother does not like her at all and thinks she is to hard on Jamie! We get in Discussions on this all the time. I will admit that as a irl who is the oldest child with two younger brothers I think I can relate with Beth because I was raised to be be tough and my brothers were spoiled because they were boys. I am not complaining because I am a better person for it, but I think that is why I love Beth.
@roxysdg334 listen to your mother
Baby murderers of a feather, flock together.
I was working at White River Reservation Hospital at Fort Apache in Arizona, I met a woman that was raising her sister's kids because she was murdered on the reservation the tribal police investigated but had to turn it over to the FBI which were indifferent to her murder. They knew who did it, including the tribal police and the county sheriff's office. But the way the law is written, the FBI has sole responsibility for investigations on tribal lands. Like I said in a previous post about Planned Parenthood what it's goals were about people of color and Native American girls and women. Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) was a racist and pure evil.
"Guy on a Buffalo" is a 4-part YT series of "jomo and the possum posse" singing about scenes from the movie "Buffalo rider" and it's F-ing hilarious🤣
Everyone jumps on Jaimie about what he did to Beth, but nobody looks at the other side of it. Beth put herself in a horrible situation, and then put Jamie in the middle of a horrible situation. Jamie was a kid still himself. At that young age he tried to help his sister while protecting his father's name. Did he make a bad decision? Yes, but don't forget Beth put him in that situation. Beth should have told John. Yes he would have been upset, but that would have been the right thing to do. Both Jamie and Beth are responsible for that horrible situation and decision.
I've a sneaking suspicion that this whole legacy "curse/burden/responsibility" is gonna devolve onto Tate, whose distinct character forming will grace him with the vision to sideways the issue out onto a broad stable grounding of peace, justice and invulnerability.
Rez women and girls go missing so much it’s a tragedy
❤️🙏🏻🇺🇸🤠 Hello from Idaho ..✌🏼
How do you think Beth would react if Jamie might have a kid and she can’t have one?
i really think Jamie is just aloof, he is "smart" but not in common sense.... i think he knew Beth would push him to get it done even when she was younger, i think she made it clear she didnt want people knowing she had an abortion and i think Jamie just thought it was for the best? but who knows?
Beth made a bad choice which led her to make an irreversible decision... which led Jamie to make an irreversible decision. All the choices and decisions were being made by teenagers... young teenagers.
Can't wait to see y'all watch the next punch.... This is a phenomenal show...y'all gotta watch Tulsa King
This whole pile on Jamie isn’t fair… it just isn’t fair to put it all on Jamie. Jamie was a child, too. You think a 15 or 16 year old knows what sterilization or hysterectomy is? A child cannot think past the next 15 minutes on a good day which is why another child, Beth, ended up preggos in the first place. When will Beth take just the slightest amount of responsibility for her own choices? She was just as equipped to ask questions at that clinic that day, too… if not more so. When have you ever known Beth to be “helpless”?
If you have watched 1883 this whole thing with Beth and Tate take even more of importance. If you remember the Native American Chief that told James Dutton about Paradise Valley ( Yellowstone ), told James that in seven generations his people would rise up and take the land back. Now count:
James: 1st Generation----John 2nd generation----Jack 3rd generation----(Mystery person that there is a debate even exist) 4th generation----John Prime:Kevin Costner 4th or 5th generation-----Casey 5th or 6th generation----- Tate 6th or 7th generation. So if the prophecy is true Tate is half Native American so he would be the ONE that will take the land back.
So glad you guys are doing this show, it took me awhile to start watching it, I binge it back in January and I immediately started 1883 then 1923, hope you guys do both of those. Beth's storyline breaks my heart I'm extremely pro life and I cried so hard for her
Love me some Cold Stone Cream Austin. 👍🤣
15:40 If Hassie Harrison liked Old Dudes like her character seems to...I'm gonna go ahead and be happy about that, 'cuz she is among the most gorgeous Ladies on the planet. She's also really funny in Tacoma F.D.😻
19:29 This story is as true, as it is heart-breaking, as it is horrifyingly common over the centuries and to this day. Slavery was terrible, but it was never America's Original Sin (nor its worst).
Dang, y’all are like a full season behind on editing Yellowstone episodes.
yeah, editing videos take a lot of time
You were fine with the age gap of Wyatt and Darlene but draw the line here? Also let’s think 2 sided here about Jamie and Beth. They are both to blame. Jamie isn’t the bad guy.
I feel like at root most drama is John’s fault, he try’s to manipulate and make his kids be something they didn’t want to be and then he shows no love and does nothing to help improve relationships.
What Rip made is a staple for Native Americans it’s called fry bread
Looks delicious
Austin 3:16 hell yeah!
Unfortunately, on the reservations, we are mostly on our own. The US government doesn’t help even though treaties call for them to. In one year there were 5,712 reported cases of missing American Indian and Alaska Native women and girls. The U.S. Department of Justice missing persons database only documented 116 of those. They don’t take us seriously, and once enough of us die out, they can posses the reservation land also. That’s the whole point of blood quantum and minimum requirements to be an enrolled tribal member also. May 5th is MMIW day, because it is the birthday of Hannah Harris who was murdered on the Northern Cheyenne Reservation. Her family tried to report her missing, authorities told them “she’s probably drunk, she’ll be home when she sleeps it off” (yes, they used the stereotypical drunk native trope) her family investigated themselves, found the people who last saw her and turned them into authorities. They were questioned and let go. In the end, it was found out that they were the ones who murdered her. The indigenous community is close-knit, yes because of our culture, but also because we understand only we will take care of each other.
The Seneca Nation, here in Western New York, has several Casino's and a thriving Tobacco industry. Where we sell tobacco by the pound and carton much cheaper than the main Brands, and tax free. All Reservation's should have this advantage
Although I've often advocated for Sharing National Casino profits with the Entire Nation. Not just the local homes and politician's, but every other Nation in the country.
Here we have had problem's with Taxes and the State reversing on our Treaty.
You could have assimilated. Instead, you chose independence. Taking care of yourselves and your own goes hand in hand with independence. Just because you aren't prepared doesn't mean you get to put blame on whoever you think is the popular choice for condemnation...
@@TylerHollywoodJB How could we? Our leaders were stuck in the past glory days. Just like the south was/is in love with Dixie. Stuck in the past. Our leaders chose for us. Most still don't have choices on how we do things.
@@LezArtist5iG Definitely. It’s still a broken system for us when chief and council get to decide where all the money goes. It tribal money, should be shared with the entire tribe.
What Jamie did was wrong and heinous...... Buuuuuttttt he was a child who had an adult situation forced upon him. Now as an adult he should be able to look back and see how wrong it was in hindsight. The writing in this is outstanding. Taylor Sheridan nails it just about every time. All the big and little complexities of people. It's amazing to watch and play out. I think most people can identify with aspects of most of the characters which really gets you invested in where this all goes.
I feel for Jamie, he too was a child when he thought he was trying to help. Granted it was a mistake, but he never set out to hurt his sister. Beth never takes any responsibility for her part in the situation.
How are we not blaming the doctor doing the procedure for not informing Beth of the consequences? 🤔
tThe buffalo scene is ridiculous...
We have neighbors with buffalo. They'll throw a horse 15 feet in the air with just a twitch of their neck. That's while gorging them all the way through with their horns. You're DEFINITELY not going to rope a buffalo "by the horns" and pull them to a stop. Mostly because you won't be able to catch them and then they'll drag a horse around until the horse can't walk anymore.
But I guess this is a TV show.
Buffalo cannot run 50mph. You can easily catch a buffalo. Holding on to it is another story. Stop clowning.
@@TylerHollywoodJB What the hell ranch horse is going to run 50 mph in open pasture? Talk about clowning.
i've been dreading watching this reaction especially that last scene. so much going on. so much yet to happen. spoiler: be prepared to have kleenex near by
Beth and Jamie both blames themselves, Yes Jamie doesn't want to take accountability, but imagine how hard it's on him, knowing he made a decision to kill not only a nephew/niece, but also his sister's chances at a child. they are examples of two extremes. Jamie is what John created him to be and Beth is what blaming her mothers death on her created her into... the only thing John never counted on what how his perspective would change on how Jamie turned out. Hence why Even Beth knows That Jamie isn't completely at fault for what he is.
It was policy for Indian Health Services to do these types of hysterectomy on young native women. It stopped around 1978s. I had a few distant aunties and cousins of mine. Sad piece of US history.
You guys really should react to the Guy on The Buffalo shorts, I think you'll get a big kick out of it.
Maybe if John and his late wife were less cruel to their children growing up, he might have more grandchildren today. I think John has earned a lot of the bad will here.
It's so HYPOCRITICAL and mean to see Beth's victimhood and put all the blame on Jimmy for the abortion story... saying "oh, she was just a teenager"... yeah, but Jimmy WAS ALSO JUST A TEENAGER AT THE TIME, she was the one who looked for him, he didn't want to go there, and she insisted that he go. And then she just puts all the blame on him?!? She doesn't take responsibility for HER COWARDICE in taking responsibility for the baby, and she still ruins her brother's life.
While I do think Beth is trash, she wanted an abortion, not a hysterectomy.
Please review Wind River if you haven't already! Deals with this subject and of course the same actress in both.
Justified
Fringe
riding a buffalo isn't torturing a buffalo
Does anyone know if your local Reservation has an Amber Alert system? Western New York has it
Are you all going to watch “from”? I’ve heard it was reallllly good. I haven’t watched it myself.
They mentioned in passing what happened with the young woman state attorney. I think she took a job in Washington or something? I don't remember the specifics.
I'd told the ceo make it an even billion for the land, see how bad she really wants it
Watch heartstopper plis i need this so bad😢
React to Lucifer next.
WE had E8 last week. Where is E9?
Beth wanted the procedure so she has to be accountable for that. And imo she is. She has been self destructive, kept herself away from Rip, then she told him she couldn’t give him a family & she regrets that. She discussed how the decision she made out of fear destroyed her.
But she did not decide to be sterilized. Jamie decided. He stole her chance to have children from. And it wasn’t bc he didn’t understand…he’s very smart. He did it bc of pride. Jamie wanted to protect the Dutton name more than he wanted to protect his sisters bodily autonomy. He didn’t want anyone to know she got pregnant which is why he took her to the reservation and refused to go elsewhere even when he was warned what would happen to Beth.
That’s also why Beth is right that John will never truly respect him. John cares about legacy. He would’ve put Beth and her chance to have children in the future ahead of whatever gossip would’ve come from it getting out she was pregnant.
Honestly, the more I sit with this show the more I start to agree with Beth's description of Jamie. Jamie is a very sympathetic character, and Beth also goes way too far in her hostility towards him (bc...y'know, it's Beth), but she's totally correct: Jamie's first instinct will always be to protect himself. When I look back on what Jamie did to Beth, it becomes super obvious to me that yeah, actually, he did that to protect HIMSELF, not Beth. He could've taken Beth to another clinic and then protect/defend her once John found out, but that would implicate him. John would KNOW he was involved, and we all know he can't risk losing John's approval. I'm sure he genuinely wanted to help his sister, but I think he also (maybe without realizing it himself) did so in such a way where it would cause HIM the least amount of personal trouble (at the time). Why else would he not tell her about the sterilization? Because telling her might make her wanna go to another clinic, one more likely to leak the news to John, and I think on a subconscious level Jamie already wanted to ensure that wasn't an option she knew to take.
This show has so many plot holes and disappeared characters. You just have to ignore all that and go with it. In regard to the Beth/Jamie conflict. In the context of this show, I understand why she is angry, 20 years later. It’s horrifying. Did Jamie FULLY understand, as a 19 year old male, what sterilization meant? So far, we don’t know. The way she went to him and asked him to help her, makes me think that they had a normal brother sister relationship, up to that point. They have given us no reason to think he did this maliciously, so I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Regarding the Indian Health Services storyline, I know that was the policy back then. Sterilization after abortion. But I don’t know how realistic it is that Beth was sterilized, with a hysterectomy in a clinic the same day. From what I understand, a hysterectomy is an inpatient procedure where you have to stay a few days and you are completely anesthetized during the surgery. That was my best friend’s experience, anyway. Certainly not in a clinic, same day. If she thought she was just getting an abortion, a procedure you walk in and out of the same day without being fully unconscious, you cannot tell me that Beth Dutton would not have made a loud scene about what was happening to her. This is just one of the things I feel like I have to turn off my brain for to enjoy this show.
Guys i think you should watch 1883 before season 4 E1
Had Beth just gone to her father about being pregnant she wouldn't have to blame Jamie for anything. Same goes for her telling Jamie that Rip is the father. On the off chance the he got told by her that it was Rip's baby, he probably wouldn't have gone to the clinic, but John himself. I like Beth better than Monica, but literally on a continuous venture this all the Beth and Jamie storyline's driving force has to offer. None of them should have made the decision to act. Talking to John could have been the safest thing for Beth and Jamie.
A gagle of horses
Beth and rip adopt a boy so in season 5 I think Tate kinda has a cousin/ friend he almost had a brother till Monica miscarried also not sure if they showed it yet but Jamie is adopted so not sure if his kid would be considered family but technically would be tates cousin, Beth and rip get married even tho rip deserves much better than her, John almost dies gets shot to shit all the ranch hands get branded after they kill wade
Have you figured out that Beth is the most evil person on the show yet?
whatever you dont blame Beth for being a nasty and hateful person. worst character ever. SO saying Jamie "should have known what sterilization meant,,,but lets forget about Beth being trashy and doing whatever she wants with no worries of any accountability....
You think Beth ever apologized for killing a baby?
Nope.
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I don't blame Jamie for Beth, she was the one that was irresponsible. She screwed up. Not Jamie. If didn't try to hide it, she could've unalived the baby and gone on to do it over and over again. It's probably best she could only do it once
Beth can still have a baby with a surrogate. They took her uterus, not her ovaries. I have no idea if that will play out later, but they leave ovaries to maintain hormones.