As always very dynamic and interactive podcast. It was very pleasant to listen when the conversation continued with a mutual, sweet disagreements. May Allah bless you brother Paul for quenching every inch of our intellectual needs.
Unlike Islam where Muslims see Islam as part of who they are and can't be separated to the Anglo Saxon by and large Christianity is a mere appendage of a cultural nature. This is my personal view and my experience so what I'm saying is not factual. Having been around now for almost 70 years I saw the decline and the dwindling of spiritual values. The attitude in general was don't take this Christian or religious stuff to seriously, get baptised, get confirmed, get married and have a funeral in a church,Church of England or C of E was known as Christmas and Eastern as this is probably the extent to which people maybe would attend church. Of course Christianity has been on the wane probably all of the 20th century but really took a nose dive after WW2. By the 1950s the times were changing, optimism was in the air, the war had ended , rationing had ended and slowly people had money, people wanted fun and what better way to than to embrace the God of consumerism, it sucked us all in and still does. Sunday the day of rest , it was a great day that I sadly miss as people were forced to down tools. Well people bought cars, then bought TVs, a week at the sea side and went to the pub which was the community hub. Look they said, don't take this religious church stuff to seriously. Since those optimistic days of the 50s and 60s people abandoned spirituality in favour of seeking entertainment, indulging the physical self. The religion or the holy book subtlety became the TV set which not only entertained you but told you how to live life and what to buy and it still does. The empty houses of worship has been swapped to idolatry in shopping centres open 7 days a week for you to prostrate in at the latest electronic items. A mate of mine was disgusted that a local church is now a mosque, but my mate is one of these cultural Christians, so I asked him if he ever went to church, he responded NO. The trouble is overtime the whole congregation did the same and so churches get converted into houses, bars, arty farty places or some remain houses of spiritual worship called a Masjid. The remaining churches have become spectacular Christian Karaoke happy clapper churches where people seek spectacular miracles and speak in tongues with super rich pastors . I believe there is a growing dissatisfaction in Western countries, even though many claim atheism or simply being agnostic deep down there is a spiritual hunger as science has been the holy grail as material reductionism , but still can't explain where the big bang started and can't explain consciousness. As I said, my opinion and I don't claim it's fact. I am on a journey to find out who I am, where am I going and why am I here, it started as soon as I can remember and continues to this day. I love what people write as long as it's respectful, who knows what I may learn In essence in a nut shell la il ahah il Allah.
Happy to help you with research/info on Islam brother Steve - it seems a congratulations is in order from having read the end of your comment, Bless you.
Despite what many atheists would have you believe, the pursuit of the truth of the nature of the universe is not counter indicated in religion, and certainly not Islam. My search for the truth saw me become irreligious, then agnostic, and then back to being a Muslim. We strive so hard to find the meaning of this universe, and for me personally i have found that truth in Islam. You have been around a lot longer than me, and undoubtedly your knowledge and experiences are greater... the only thing that i would tell you is keep your heart open to the truth, and seek it sincerely. I will make dua that the truth finds you, inshahalla.
Prof. Linda was a very good, open and thoughtful guest, agree or disagree with her she was well worth listening to. I have to mention her matching headphones and jumper which I loved, I know it's not relevant but ... I think her "Why was the resurrected Jesus not regarded as a ghost ?" should earn her a second visit
Thank you Paul for this conversation! I always had the strong feeling that the sociology of religion is mostly a post-christian theological understanding of society...this is also true here. For instance, she splits British Islam in two categories belong to a Christian framework (Law vs. Theology beyond the Law). Her understanding of young Muslims is also very eurocentric. She understands them a priori as postmodern (and thus postchristian) individuals regardless of the complex web of relations that structure a British young Muslim mind today...
Enjoyed this excellent discussion. Great views on both sides, especially on the relation between minority and vibrancy (e.g., Muslims in UK today--- think about the early Muslim community at the dawn of Islamic civilization). Turn that talk on its other side, and one could draw from it some relevant pointers for the current stagnation in Muslim-majority countries. I remain a firm believer that the momentum of Islam in the West will eventually (hopefully within the century) blow the winds of change to the Middle East for the revival of a global Islamic civilization---inshaa Allah, all in God's time
There is no stagnation in Muslim countries, exactly the opposite, phenomenal growth. Have you been to Turkiye, Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, Oman , Jordan, UAE, Egypt, Azerbaijan ? All I see is how Spiritually dead the Western World has become, drugs, porn, guns, alcohol, cheap entertainment and consumerism are all they are living for. Islam on the other offers so much more, that is why there are currently 2 Billion Practising Muslims and growing, fast, especially in “white” Europe and America. Will be the world’s largest religion by 2050 and by far, deservely so. Islam has all the answers. Assalamu Alaikum. ☪🤲🏻
In Islam every act of worship (ibadah) has detail basic fundamental rules. It is not up to us to decide how we want to perform it. It has the order, what to do,, who lead it, etc. Not only in physical aspect but also in spiritual aspect. We follow the proven guidance and example from Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Other than that, the ibadah is invalid. Example in funeral, in pray, fasting, to get married, paying zakat etc. Wherever a muslim go, it's no problem because it's the same. You can go to any mosque in anywhere, it will be the. same in basic how to perform salah, when, how many rakaat in obligatory prayer etc Thats one of the many way why Islam is prevail When a religion doesn't have it. People will have their own way follow their own desire. Along the way the physical aspect will shift also the spiritual aspect One grup does it in certain way, the other in another opposite way, eventhough both claim to have the same religion. Ex : before in funeral people talking about hereafter, now people talking about the present world. Maybe next, before people must be buried now cremation is accepted. In your place people sitting in silent when pray, in other people singing loudly and dancing. To the point it is no longer recognize what it the exact proper way according to the original source. It's lost.
Just finished listening to this wonderful discussion, thank you Paul. Few of my Christian friends here in Singapore thought that they have secured heaven in afterlife by believing in Jesus death for them. Therefore it is OK for them to go to Chinese temple to pray for luck or praying to Buddha for blessing anytime they want. And many of them pray to ancestors even though they called themselves devout Christians. Strange.
@@charlievaughan1308 I'd suggest you to join the live streams on EA Dawah (host was Christian > Atheist > Agnostic > now a Muslim) or Thought Adventure Podcast (hosts were Christian & Roman Catholic > Atheists> Agnostics > now are Muslims) or EFDawah (born Muslims but like many experienced stages of doubts & rebelliousness now are firm Muslims).
@@charlievaughan1308 1. Religion is spread through mouth rather than independent, logical reasoning..... There are many who choose religion convert to Islam through independent, logical reasoning like scientists and profesor like Maurice Bucaille, Jeffrey Lang, Jackie Ying and many more . You can search 2. Christian and Islam do not subject their belief to critical thinking..... I don't wanna talk about Christianity but for Islam it is NOT the case. In fact in Quran, God told us to think. Like my brother/sister above that suggest you to go to Thought Adventure Podcast YT channels, EFDawah or EA Dawah channels, I suggest the same. It's open minded, you can join the stream, present your case, prove your claim. It's simple if you can prove that your claim is true then by definition Islam is false.
@@charlievaughan1308 *"Religion is spread through word of mouth."* That's a very narrow thing to say, in fact alot of things are spread through human interaction because we humans as social beings best interect that way and our takeaway is maximised that way. Islam is the only religion that uses reason and logic as it's primary and key points to prove the Islamic argument. Which is why countless scientists have in past coverted to Islam not to mention some of the early scientists were born during Islamic golden age, like Ibn Haytham who is called the first modern scientist and father of optics. Yes God has revealed to us that Qur'an is His word. And gave us logical evidence to verify His claim. We have scientific, historical and falsification tests given to humans in Qur'an. No other religion gives these tests. The evidence is all around you. The fact that you have this universe, this existance rather than non-existance. The fact that you have order rather than disorder. Your DNA which contains intelligent algorithmic code which can not be product of chaos even in slight. Non-living things don't have intelligence in them, there must be a carrier or possesor or source of intelligence that gave this intelligence which resulted in existance of order and intelligent living things.
@@charlievaughan1308 I can ask you a similar question actually. *Do aliens exist?* If they do where is the evidence? Have you ever seen one? I will leave you with this thought.
@@charlievaughan1308 Actually no I have not said that so please don't put words in my mouth. I never said you are an agnostic, by your first post my takeaway is that you are an "athiest" deny existance of God rather than someone who is open to possibility of God's existance which is an "Agnostic".
Respectfully I beg to disagree with the Doctor Linda on Islam being cool because Muslim youth doesn't have to listen to old men or something like Christian clergy. Muslim culture is steeped in respect for people of knowledge, the maulanas, the muftis, the scholors etc. In fact if anything, quite a few of Muslim go way beyond in their love and respect for people of knowledge to what is permitted in Islam. But a very pleasant and enlightening conservation otherwise.
Yes I had similar thoughts.. although there is some truth in what she's saying when viewed from a Western perspective ie youth who are more westernised in their outlook may feel this way even Muslim youth
I disagree with the idea that Iran is becoming increasingly atheistic - those massive counter-protests and young Basijis are obviously coming from somewhere.
This, she's dead wrong about Iran. The diaspora may be secular but they're the ones who long left the country. Within Iran itself, the large majority are very religious. Only a minority of the Millennials and Genz are significantly secular.
@@Hastenforthedawm good point. People often look at Iran through the lens of the diaspora but these people are not representative of the entire population . To be sure, some pockets of former pro-Shah families do exist who dislike religion but by and large most Iranians are devout.
Alot of people sees Iran through the lens of western media and some very little pro shah secular people. The Iranian regime is a big enemy of Israel n usa ,thats why west try to defame Iran.. 98% of Persians are great muslims they have given their blood to throw out shah n brought islamic regime.. Dont ever believe western media whatever they say about Iran...
Thank you brother Paul & your guest for this interesting Podcast , it's true in the west secularism has been on the rise for quite some time because of the church control over things , however Islam is on the rise because of its enormous potential to solve prevalent problems such as social injustice ,racism, social inequalities & national conflicts also brings calmness & tranquility and a strong sense of unity & brotherhood regardless of cultural and social background .
Paul I agree you should not judge the quality of your work by the number of views. I am not an academic in these areas but am truly gripped by the depth and quality of the discussions you have on bt. I might add you showed tremendous manners and etiquette in your undoubted tension with the speaker at times MashAllah
Beautiful and well researched discussion on how to deduce guidance on predicting British society religious trends from census based statistical data; Perhaps the next census should add another question, "Have you gone through any mystical "awareness" experience and how did/does it affect your attitude towards religion?" and cross check its trend with declining religious affiliation.
Paul, I read this in a German paper Prognosis for leaving the church In 2021, 19.7 million people still belonged to the Protestant Church and almost 21.7 million to the Catholic Church. A study by the University of Freiburg predicts that both churches together will still have around 22 million members by 2060 - this corresponds to around a quarter of the population. "The two formerly large churches die in their traditional social form and become a minority church," analyzes canon law expert Thomas Schüller. "The tipping point has long been exceeded."
But in reality these people are simply sympathetic to Christian belief but don't take faith seriously, this has in my experience been the view of most people.. When I was growing up I started seeking God so went to church, mum was my biggest critic and told me not to take it seriously as did most people. You may as well be and outcast. Things seem different with those from Islamic countries, in many ways strong cultural heritage is involved but also and most importantly Muslims believe that there faith is not external but is almost part of their DNA, to extract Islam from there is akin to cutting off oxygen, they would die I also think that many reverts would say the same, they were dead, devoid and lacking but now faith connects them to the fact there is a creator, the eternal refuge according to Sura 112 ayat 2.
@@Steven_Rowe Yes, that is why I suspect by 2050, European Christianity, including Russia, will be only 25% of continent's population. It is a highly doubt-able claim that Christianity is the biggest religion, it is clear now that Islam is the most practiced religion, even if one excludes cultural Muslims (maybe 10% of Muslim population). Christianity is on 2nd place now.
Most people type Bible Criticism online and discover that the Holy Bible is complete fiction. How educated are you, Hassan? Any critical thinking skills, Cupcake?
@@martinkent333 Most people now a days read Bart Ehrman and get to know about the fabrications in Bible. Also, the surveys I quote are not from Muslims but from German media. So, it is clear that Christianity is in steep decline. Your tone of voice is insulting, this show that you are bitter and semi-literate. I am an applied scientist by profession, you might be one of those dumb people who equate university education with intelligence.
Another very interesting discussion. Thank you. Here in the New England section of the United States, a decline in the practice of organized religion has been very evident during my lifetime. Church buildings - Catholic and Protestant - are frequently up for sale; purchased for residence or business locations. The Methodist church that I attended while growing up has had the beautiful pipe organ sold, the oaken pews sold and replaced by less expensive seating in order to keep the congregation afloat. The pastor's job is part-time. No living could be made from the weekly tithings. I can't speak to individual spirituality. But the community presence of religion is far, far weaker now than it was during my youth.
@@oolalamme2698 You seem quite angry for a Christian, even one who won't use his/her real name. Perhaps you are one of those FOX NEWS Christians I've heard about?
It is similar here in Germany (to be precise in the southwest near blackforest). When my mother grew up as part of the boomer generation people in most families in the village she comes from (mostly farmers) where still so pious that all the chores were organised around attending mass on sunday and most people attended another time during the week. I was a an altar girl growing up; I spent enough time in church to say 5 % attendance would be an improvement. It is even lower. The financial problems of Christianity are gravening, just more slowly than elsewhere due to the German specialty of "church tax"(You have to administratively renounce membership in church in order to not pay it as annex to your income taxes.). And the inability of the church to find enough people who want to be priests etc. is grippling local parishes faster than finances ever could. Although I would prefer people finding true monotheism, seeing that development is kind of disheartening as most will probably find atheism instead.
This was so enlightening- thanks so much for conducting such an important, eye-opening interview. Only a week before Christmas I was asking my Christian colleagues if the Christmas tree, turkey and lights had any religious symbolism and they all openly and rather sheepishly admitted that they weren't! Absolutely mind-boggling. with all the hype that centres on Christmas They said it was all about capitalism now! Very sad.
I also disagree with her point that Monotheisms in practise tend to have polytheisms, because the important point I think is not whether the three Abrahamic monotheisms have vibrant supernatural ecosystems of angels and so on, but rather whether those other supernatural beings are placed into the same category as the God to which one is oriented? If you take something like Zoroastrianism that is often said to be a monotheism, you'd find in my opinion that that's not exactly true because there are two discrete entities within it that are assumed to be of the same category - that being Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. In some readings of Zoroastrianism the former is taken to be stronger than the latter, but in others there's a seemingly cyclical view of history where Ahriman is resurgant before Ahura Mazda has to do something to restore the balance in his favour which forms the premise for various heroic narratives of pre-conversion Iranian mythology. But that's ultimately irrelevant because they're textually described as being dualistic entities, they're of the same substance but are opposed. In Islam, Christianity, or Judaism, you have the angels, you have saints, you can even ascribe an active role to various devils, but ultimately they're all not in the same category as that in which Abrahamic monotheists place God into, and are therefore subservient to Him and are created by Him, and this question of categories I think is the primary way in which a monotheism practically differs from a polytheism. Admittedly I might be missing her point to some extent (theology in theory vs belief in practise), but I think this bears mentioning nonetheless.
Another point the professor makes is how Islam probably won't grow because there is a premium on choosing your own religion in today's society. But surely what she means by "today's society" is non-Muslim society?. Because in Muslim communities within the UK there is no such premium, quite the opposite in fact! Most of us are not like non-Muslims in how we leave important life decisions up to our children, for us it is a child's right upon their parents to be taught about Islam from a young age and hence many retain an Islamic identity into adulthood even if they don't practice day to day.
Love how you pushed back when she said young Muslims have no restriction and control from the above that's why they think its cool. No we have clear guidelines what's halal and haram. We don't need old people with wisdom to teach us when the words of the Prophet are with us. And judging by her slightly modest dressing I think she is a Christian believer in practicing sense and hence she was pushing back whenever you made negative comments against Christianity and church. It felt like you two were having a little heating debate inside the conversation. The was certainly some tension but you handled it greatly Paul. MashaAllah.
Paul wasn't making negative comments about Christianity so much as ones that could be corrected by a sociologist of Religion like Linda. She had the historical and sociological view that Paul lacked. As for modest dressing... in the UK it's winter and she's middle aged.
Yes, those who actually wield power definitely belong to a belief system otherwise there is no way that they can justify and support such a apartheid state as Israel and racist anti-Muslim policies
This was such an interesting discussion Paul and I love how you disagree so cordially. Do you know where the 1 in 5 hypothesis comes from? And how would one define someone who counts as the 1 rather than the 4? For example there are 4 people in my immediate family and you could identify my father as the 1 since he prays tahajjud, does voluntary fasts, gives extra charity etc, alhamdulillah. However the other 3 of us also pray 5x, fast Ramadan, give zakat etc. To make people we would count as very religious/spiritual... So according to what measure is this hypothesis...?
I really appreciate that this channel is so wide ranging. It is so rare to see intelligent Muslim lead discussion on diverse topics. Alhamdulillah. أكثر الله تعالى من أمثالك
What a informative this podcast is.. Kudus to Ma'am for sharing her knowledge with us , n br Paul keep us diving in knowledgeable ocean Keep up your good work as always.. Aameen
SubhanAllah Wal hamdulillah Wa la ilaha illallah Wallahu akhbar May Allah SWT guide those who reverted to Islam, to the true teaching of Islam and being obedient Muslims, will grant them and all the Ummah with a place in Jannah. Aamiin🌙🕌🤲💕
Hey Paul. Could you make an episode of Mandeism through islamic view with some scholar maybe and lift some similarities and differences and the interractions between the two. That would be lovely. God bless!
There isn’t an International Standard for “Christian country.” On the one hand, the Head of State (the King) is also automatically “Supreme Governor” of the Church of England. Our Government though is multi-faith. Members of Parliament can take either a religious oath (on a holy book of their choice), or make a non-religious “solemn declaration.” Rishi Sunak took the oath as a Hindu on the Bhagavad Gita as did two other Conservative MPs. Suella Braverman took her oath on the Dhammapada. There is no fixed list of Holy Books.
Wow!!!🙂Interview of various academics & what you do is digital service to Islam Keep going ahead.May Allah Almighty give you good health and long life my brother & accept your service to Deen.Love from Tamilnadu, South India.
A good observation but I disagree to a certain extent with the Islamic faith increasing. We don't see a cool version of Islam. We see Islam in the sence that it is a moral compass. We respect the values taught by our elders/parents, which in term has come deeply from what is right (Halal) and what is wrong (Haraam). Being a Muslim in a non islamic country is very hard. Our family is at the core of morality and family values guided by the Book. Alhamdolillah الحمدلله 🙏🏾 Keep up the good work Paul.
بارك الله فيكم ساهموا في هذه الحملة لاستعادة قوس قزح رمز الطفولة و البراءة الذي اختطفه الشواذ. عندي اقتراح لكنه يستدعي الدعم الجماهيري. و هو بخصوص ألوان قوس قزح، هذه الألوان التي كانت في الماضي القريب ترمز للبراءة و الطفولة اصبحت اليوم بعد سرقتها رمزا للشذوذ و انتكاسة الفطرة. اقتراحي هو أن نسترجع ألوان قوس قزح من خاطفيها، و نعيد لها معناها الأصلي النظيف، و كبداية عن طريق نشر جملة: #قوس_قزح_رمز_للبراءة_وليس_للشواذ. #rainbow_symbolizes_innocence_not_queers و حين ينتشر هذا الوسم و يكبر، حينها يمكن الانتقال لخطوات أكثر ميدانية. أرجو اخواني الكرام أن تساهموا في هذا العمل و حث المؤثرين عبر وسائل التواصل الاجتماعي و اليوتوب لنشره. هي فكرة بسيطة، لكن تاثيرها سيكون كبيرا إن انتشرت عربيا و عالميا، خاصة في تمييع الإشهار للشذوذ، فتسقط ملكيتهم الحصرية الغير مشروعة لألوان قوس قزح و يسقط معها الحرج من التعامل به. بارك الله فيكم. #قوس_قزح_يرمز_للبراءة_وليس_للشواذ. #rainbow_symbolizes_innocence_not_queers. Vortex بارك الله فيكم... اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين.. اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم.. رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين... لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.
Good podcast overall but you should have pushed back a little at the end. She comes with assumptions like pluralism, which is very opposed to monotheistic grounds. All monotheistic religions, and really all religions have at their core the idea that they are the truth, the correct one, this neccesitates that they will regulate the beliefs of their claimants, and in the case of monotheism maintain what is most central to the faith, which is monotheism. Of course monotheism doesn't tolerate polytheism, especially by those who claim to follow monotheism, to expect that they should is itself applying a secular paradigm to a spiritual one. It's not up to us whether or not we accept shirk, that is Allah's right. Finally we as Muslims DO acknowledge people do these sorts of things, even so called Muslims, but we know from certainty that it is literally evil and satanic.
18:00 sometimes it's the media headlines, that portray the issue in very simplistic/sensational terms, e.g. "Britain is now 50% more Muslim!" yeah, from 4% to 6% percent.
Muslims and Christians believe in the Hebrew myths created in 950 BCE. Paranoids with invisible enemies. A happy bunch of nuts. Yawn..........................
I think the elephant in the room has not been addressed. In relation to the decline of Christianity... Firstly, just because you have ceremonial Christian practices in the Royalty and house of parliament ....democracy and liberalism are the 'real' arbiters and lawmakers in Western societies ...there is a total disregard when making laws if they abide by Christianity.... Secondly, the priesthood has failed on so many fronts not least of which is the huge child sex scandals which have rocked the Church and turned people away from it. Thirdly, anybody who seriously studies Christianity in Universities ...by the end of their studies they are so disillusioned by the difference of what they were taught as laypeople and the reality of scholarship that they have no choice but to either become athiests like (Bart Erhman) or refuse to let go of all that rich history of prophethood and embrace Islam the final truth ...like you did brother Paul 😀
*The* re is nothing Christian about a man marrying another man and getting a *marriage certificate* from the state Sadly, *Britain* seems to have *forgot* ten
Respectfully, I also don't fully agree with professor Linda's point about the "monotheistic propaganda" that "all religion is about a God" and everything else is superstition. Belief in angels, jinn, veneration of saints etc are all part of religion that is not necessarily seen as conflicting with the idea of God, so long as you don't equate these things to God. I feel she's creating a bit of a false dichotomy there... 🤔
Very thoughtful discussion. People are seriously searching for the truth . Worshipping Your True and Only Creator is innate in humans before we were born on this Earth. The evidence is in the Quran. A covenant was taken from the progeny of Adam to Worship Allah . It's the natural inclination that is ingrained in our hearts and souls to believe in God(i.e., Allah). "And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this. (Qur’ān 7:172) Abu Huraira reported:The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No child is born but that he is upon natural instinct. His parents make him a Jew, or a Christian, or Magian. As an animal delivers a child with limbs intact, do you detect any flaw?” Then, Abu Huraira recited the verse, “The nature of Allah upon which he has set people,” ( Quran 30:30). Islam is popular in young people in Britain as compared to their parents' generation, which is mainly due to the chaos and confusion around them . They are looking for peace and solutions. Which Islam in its pure form provides. If Islam was for identity reasons, then normally people cling unto their cultural heritage like Hindus . And many Muslims also do. But cultural Islam has so many clashes with the purity and logic of Islam . Like grave worshipping, etc. Young and old want to practice Islam for their own sanity, internal and eternal peace. And the truth it provides. Islam satisfies your logic at any level , soothes your heart in a way , no other religion or philosophy can do that.
Charlotte Bronte, the great true-Christian writer: “It is in vain to say human beings ought to be satisfied with tranquillity: (they) must have actions. And they will make it if they cannot find it” (100). -Jane Eyre. Wouldn’t it be amazing if every thinking human accepted each person’s innate diversity, and let the Creator judge their lives’ habits, rather than being anticipatory that everyone is going to become the same way? Wouldn’t it be something of thinking persons knew that Almighty is the judge of each nation’s destiny? Each individual’s destiny?😎 How great was Bronte? How great the good man Blake? How great was and is the legacy of British literature as it was? And how nice that some have also embraced Islam, and that some have not?
They are not going on the same path in terms of arguments.., She’s a smart woman’ but as i observe she know less about the fundamentals of Islam..,almost all her views in terms of islam are through a very superficial lens..,
Great interview, Paul. Firstly, the professor should not put down her hunch, the hunch of an expert is not equal to the hunch of a layperson. I do have to challenge the professor on her (separate point of) seeming to conflate monotheistic religions suppressing vs. denying the paranormal when she says that saying, “all religion is really about a God, and everything else is superstition” is “an ideological viewpoint that wipes out the experiences” of non-monotheistic practicioners. Monotheistic religions don't deny these experiences or religions by suppressing these communions, on the contrary, they are pushing forward a view of these experiences as communions that _are_ genuinely happening with real entities, but entities which we shouldn't commune with, for various theological reasons. She's right that these are ideological commitments, we don't deny that, but why does she call it “propaganda”?
Surah Maryam, Verse 36: وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُوهُ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ Esa (Jesus) said; surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path. As for worshipping Allah, we read in the Aramaic Bible, in the first book, the first chapter, the first verse; *Genesis 1:1: In the beginning, Allah created the heavens and the earth. Brasheet bara Allaha eet shmaya wa eet ar’a This is Aramaic, the language of Jesus, and we see that Allah was the originator of creation. He was mentioned since the very beginning of scripture. *Genesis 20:17 And Abraham prayed to Allah Wa salee Abraham qadam Allaha The second pillar of Islam is “لاةالص...“Salaah which is the same word used in the Aramaic verse “salee". Here, the word means “(he) prayed”. *Allah has also declared himself in Isaiah 46:9; Remember the former things of old: for I am Allah, and there is no other god; and there is none like me. Etdhikru qadmayta d’min ‘alma d’ana na Allaha, wa layt toob ilah, wa layt akwatee *Mark 12:29: And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord Allah, The Lord is One. Amar leh Yashu’, madmay min kullhoon puqdane, shma’ Israyel, Marya Allahan, Marya Had hu In fact, Jesus was such that he even rejected the idea of himself being called “good”. Therefore, he quickly corrected the individual that approached him saying: *Matthew 19:17 Why do you call me good? There’s none good except Allah The One Mana qara anta lee Taba? Layt Taba illa en Had Allaha Abraham, even before Christianity and Judaism, Allah has been worshipped and prostrated. A common practice observed only in Islam. *Matthew 4:10: For it is written, worship the Lord Allah, and to him only service is due. Kateeb geir dal’Marya Allahak tasjood, wa leh balhoodawhee tiflooh www.thearamaicscriptures.com Allah is the God that jesus worshipped; th-cam.com/video/cg7cK7zPkqM/w-d-xo.html
@@oolalamme2698 Lol. Thanks for agreeing that Allah is the Name of God of "jesus" or Esa as we know him. Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 2: اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ Allah, (there is) no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 3: نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Taurat and the Injeel previously. Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 4: مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ الْفُرْقَانَ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو انتِقَامٍ Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, and it is He who has bestowed the standard by which to discern the true from the false. Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution. Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 5: إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَخْفَىٰ عَلَيْهِ شَيْءٌ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فِي السَّمَاءِ Allah -- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven. Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 6: هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِي الْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He likes; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise via iQuran Beautiful Recitation of the above Verses; th-cam.com/video/xJ51wbqEgAk/w-d-xo.html
thank you Paul, thank you prof, with the 5 aspects that you discussed, I answered someone's generalization on TH-cam about why do Muslims become more corrupt? I said, the names of the majority must be more. And assessing one's religious aspects must at least be from these 5 aspects. So I asked back, are that corruptors Muslim? Did 100% of "muslim" in ID card knowing and practicing these aspects in an Islamic way?
Probably not - the rise in Islam in the UK is due to rising immigration from Muslim countries. The decline of Christianity is a long term process that really has being going on slowly but surely for the last 300 years.
I think religion best benefits the weak minded among us in society. However, I also do find Islam to be true. Islam is the only religion that has a clear path towards God without human intermediaries or obstacles in the way of worship of God. A true religion should be as close to God as possible and only Judaism and Islam satisfy this. However, Judaism is very human infused because the Talmud seems take Gods power and invest in the rabbis. Also, Islam appeals to me more than Judaism because it is more inclusive in that it’s principles are directed towards mankind as a whole.
My brother Paul: Sheikh Dr. Abd al-Rahman al-Dimashqiyyah is one of the most prominent personalities specialized in criticism of the Shiite religion, alongside Sheikh Othman al-Khamis and Sheikh Faraj al-Suhaibi, but Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Dimashqiyyah, I think, is the only one among them who speaks English. He can explain the fundamental differences between Sunnis and Shiites in an academic way. He is well versed in this science. get it.
Excellent enjoyable conversation brother Paul. It's good to see female academics aboard your ship apart from make academics. Masha'Allah you enjoyed the conversation as well.
For those sympathetic towards the Taliban, please take note of what is happening in Iran! Virtue is not restricted to temperance, and more specifically with pleasures or sexual indulgences. As Montaigne's maxim says, “nothing overmuch” applies to virtue as well as to the pleasure-seeking that virtue tries to control. Virtue is “a mean between two vices…because the vices respectively fall short of or exceed what is right in both passions and actions.” If what is reported in the media is accurate, then the Taliban are exceeding that which is right in both passions and actions.
Salam here, I just wanted to know on a side note, on some of the Islamic channels I frequent, females that were not covered where blurred out for the most part when in a discussion setting. There are also times like as this video where the female is not blurred. The blurring I’ve seen has been done to both Muslims and non Muslims Alike that were not covered in a some sense and was showing their hair and face. I’m trying curious if that’s necessary to do or not. As I dont want to intentionally glare at a female. Jazakhallah Kair.
This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house or residence but that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.” Musnad Ahmad
This was so informative, thanks to the Paul and the Dr. So in summary the UK has institutional christianity, but as far as beliefs, practices in the fundamentals of the religion, that is not.
As always very dynamic and interactive podcast. It was very pleasant to listen when the conversation continued with a mutual, sweet disagreements. May Allah bless you brother Paul for quenching every inch of our intellectual needs.
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Unlike Islam where Muslims see Islam as part of who they are and can't be separated to the Anglo Saxon by and large Christianity is a mere appendage of a cultural nature.
This is my personal view and my experience so what I'm saying is not factual.
Having been around now for almost 70 years I saw the decline and the dwindling of spiritual values.
The attitude in general was don't take this Christian or religious stuff to seriously, get baptised, get confirmed, get married and have a funeral in a church,Church of England or C of E was known as Christmas and Eastern as this is probably the extent to which people maybe would attend church.
Of course Christianity has been on the wane probably all of the 20th century but really took a nose dive after WW2.
By the 1950s the times were changing, optimism was in the air, the war had ended , rationing had ended and slowly people had money, people wanted fun and what better way to than to embrace the God of consumerism, it sucked us all in and still does.
Sunday the day of rest , it was a great day that I sadly miss as people were forced to down tools.
Well people bought cars, then bought TVs, a week at the sea side and went to the pub which was the community hub.
Look they said, don't take this religious church stuff to seriously.
Since those optimistic days of the 50s and 60s people abandoned spirituality in favour of seeking entertainment, indulging the physical self.
The religion or the holy book subtlety became the TV set which not only entertained you but told you how to live life and what to buy and it still does.
The empty houses of worship has been swapped to idolatry in shopping centres open 7 days a week for you to prostrate in at the latest electronic items.
A mate of mine was disgusted that a local church is now a mosque, but my mate is one of these cultural Christians, so I asked him if he ever went to church, he responded NO.
The trouble is overtime the whole congregation did the same and so churches get converted into houses, bars, arty farty places or some remain houses of spiritual worship called a Masjid.
The remaining churches have become spectacular Christian Karaoke happy clapper churches where people seek spectacular miracles and speak in tongues with super rich pastors .
I believe there is a growing dissatisfaction in Western countries, even though many claim atheism or simply being agnostic deep down there is a spiritual hunger as science has been the holy grail as material reductionism , but still can't explain where the big bang started and can't explain consciousness.
As I said, my opinion and I don't claim it's fact.
I am on a journey to find out who I am, where am I going and why am I here, it started as soon as I can remember and continues to this day.
I love what people write as long as it's respectful, who knows what I may learn
In essence in a nut shell la il ahah il Allah.
Happy to help you with research/info on Islam brother Steve - it seems a congratulations is in order from having read the end of your comment, Bless you.
Brother Steve, I could relate..may Allah guide & bless us ameen.
Because Islam is not only a 'religion' as in the dictionary
Islam is The Way of Life
Thank you for sharing your point of view. Great read!
Despite what many atheists would have you believe, the pursuit of the truth of the nature of the universe is not counter indicated in religion, and certainly not Islam. My search for the truth saw me become irreligious, then agnostic, and then back to being a Muslim. We strive so hard to find the meaning of this universe, and for me personally i have found that truth in Islam. You have been around a lot longer than me, and undoubtedly your knowledge and experiences are greater... the only thing that i would tell you is keep your heart open to the truth, and seek it sincerely. I will make dua that the truth finds you, inshahalla.
Prof. Linda was a very good, open and thoughtful guest, agree or disagree with her she was well worth listening to.
I have to mention her matching headphones and jumper which I loved, I know it's not relevant but ...
I think her "Why was the resurrected Jesus not regarded as a ghost ?" should earn her a second visit
Good point!
I live in a place quite remote from Britain but appreciated the interview anyway. Quite interesting! Paul, thank you for your content :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
Paul, have tried to bring Karen Amstrong? That'll be interesting.. Wassalamualikum
Oh yes that would be brilliant, it was her book on the prophet Muhammad pbuh that helped bring my husband to Islam, alhamdulillah
thank you Professor Linda Woodhead and Paul
Thank you Paul for this conversation! I always had the strong feeling that the sociology of religion is mostly a post-christian theological understanding of society...this is also true here. For instance, she splits British Islam in two categories belong to a Christian framework (Law vs. Theology beyond the Law). Her understanding of young Muslims is also very eurocentric. She understands them a priori as postmodern (and thus postchristian) individuals regardless of the complex web of relations that structure a British young Muslim mind today...
This is such an absolutly amazing wonderful gorgous inspiring informative and importan Conversation .
Glad you enjoyed it!
Enjoyed this excellent discussion. Great views on both sides, especially on the relation between minority and vibrancy (e.g., Muslims in UK today--- think about the early Muslim community at the dawn of Islamic civilization). Turn that talk on its other side, and one could draw from it some relevant pointers for the current stagnation in Muslim-majority countries.
I remain a firm believer that the momentum of Islam in the West will eventually (hopefully within the century) blow the winds of change to the Middle East for the revival of a global Islamic civilization---inshaa Allah, all in God's time
There is no stagnation in Muslim countries, exactly the opposite, phenomenal growth. Have you been to Turkiye, Qatar, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, Oman , Jordan, UAE, Egypt, Azerbaijan ? All I see is how Spiritually dead the Western World has become, drugs, porn, guns, alcohol, cheap entertainment and consumerism are all they are living for. Islam on the other offers so much more, that is why there are currently 2 Billion Practising Muslims and growing, fast, especially in “white” Europe and America. Will be the world’s largest religion by 2050 and by far, deservely so. Islam has all the answers. Assalamu Alaikum. ☪🤲🏻
In Islam every act of worship (ibadah) has detail basic fundamental rules. It is not up to us to decide how we want to perform it.
It has the order, what to do,, who lead it, etc. Not only in physical aspect but also in spiritual aspect. We follow the proven guidance and example from Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Other than that, the ibadah is invalid.
Example in funeral, in pray, fasting, to get married, paying zakat etc.
Wherever a muslim go, it's no problem because it's the same. You can go to any mosque in anywhere, it will be the. same in basic how to perform salah, when, how many rakaat in obligatory prayer etc
Thats one of the many way why Islam is prevail
When a religion doesn't have it. People will have their own way follow their own desire. Along the way the physical aspect will shift also the spiritual aspect One grup does it in certain way, the other in another opposite way, eventhough both claim to have the same religion.
Ex : before in funeral people talking about hereafter, now people talking about the present world. Maybe next, before people must be buried now cremation is accepted.
In your place people sitting in silent when pray, in other people singing loudly and dancing.
To the point it is no longer recognize what it the exact proper way according to the original source. It's lost.
Wonderful discussion as always, brother Paul!
Thank you kindly!
Battle of the Bookshelves!! Paul would win hands-down...but lose marks on untidiness :-)
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Paul I'm quite envious of your books I must say! I have neither the physical space nor the mental capacity for so many delightful books!
Just finished listening to this wonderful discussion, thank you Paul. Few of my Christian friends here in Singapore thought that they have secured heaven in afterlife by believing in Jesus death for them. Therefore it is OK for them to go to Chinese temple to pray for luck or praying to Buddha for blessing anytime they want. And many of them pray to ancestors even though they called themselves devout Christians. Strange.
@@charlievaughan1308 I'd suggest you to join the live streams on EA Dawah (host was Christian > Atheist > Agnostic > now a Muslim) or Thought Adventure Podcast (hosts were Christian & Roman Catholic > Atheists> Agnostics > now are Muslims) or EFDawah (born Muslims but like many experienced stages of doubts & rebelliousness now are firm Muslims).
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1. Religion is spread through mouth rather than independent, logical reasoning.....
There are many who choose religion convert to Islam through independent, logical reasoning like scientists and profesor like Maurice Bucaille, Jeffrey Lang, Jackie Ying and many more . You can search
2. Christian and Islam do not subject their belief to critical thinking.....
I don't wanna talk about Christianity but for Islam it is NOT the case. In fact in Quran, God told us to think.
Like my brother/sister above that suggest you to go to Thought Adventure Podcast YT channels, EFDawah or EA Dawah channels, I suggest the same. It's open minded, you can join the stream, present your case, prove your claim. It's simple if you can prove that your claim is true then by definition Islam is false.
@@charlievaughan1308 *"Religion is spread through word of mouth."*
That's a very narrow thing to say, in fact alot of things are spread through human interaction because we humans as social beings best interect that way and our takeaway is maximised that way.
Islam is the only religion that uses reason and logic as it's primary and key points to prove the Islamic argument. Which is why countless scientists have in past coverted to Islam not to mention some of the early scientists were born during Islamic golden age, like Ibn Haytham who is called the first modern scientist and father of optics.
Yes God has revealed to us that Qur'an is His word. And gave us logical evidence to verify His claim.
We have scientific, historical and falsification tests given to humans in Qur'an. No other religion gives these tests.
The evidence is all around you. The fact that you have this universe, this existance rather than non-existance.
The fact that you have order rather than disorder. Your DNA which contains intelligent algorithmic code which can not be product of chaos even in slight.
Non-living things don't have intelligence in them, there must be a carrier or possesor or source of intelligence that gave this intelligence which resulted in existance of order and intelligent living things.
@@charlievaughan1308 I can ask you a similar question actually.
*Do aliens exist?*
If they do where is the evidence? Have you ever seen one?
I will leave you with this thought.
@@charlievaughan1308 Actually no I have not said that so please don't put words in my mouth. I never said you are an agnostic, by your first post my takeaway is that you are an "athiest" deny existance of God rather than someone who is open to possibility of God's existance which is an "Agnostic".
Respectfully I beg to disagree with the Doctor Linda on Islam being cool because Muslim youth doesn't have to listen to old men or something like Christian clergy. Muslim culture is steeped in respect for people of knowledge, the maulanas, the muftis, the scholors etc. In fact if anything, quite a few of Muslim go way beyond in their love and respect for people of knowledge to what is permitted in Islam. But a very pleasant and enlightening conservation otherwise.
Yeah.., exactly.., such a very intellectual woman.,, i was so surprised how she bought that idea.,,,
Yes I had similar thoughts.. although there is some truth in what she's saying when viewed from a Western perspective ie youth who are more westernised in their outlook may feel this way even Muslim youth
Our scholars and shuyookh are cool!
I disagree with the idea that Iran is becoming increasingly atheistic - those massive counter-protests and young Basijis are obviously coming from somewhere.
This, she's dead wrong about Iran.
The diaspora may be secular but they're the ones who long left the country. Within Iran itself, the large majority are very religious. Only a minority of the Millennials and Genz are significantly secular.
@@Hastenforthedawm good point. People often look at Iran through the lens of the diaspora but these people are not representative of the entire population . To be sure, some pockets of former pro-Shah families do exist who dislike religion but by and large most Iranians are devout.
That's interesting, where can I learn more about Iran from reliable sources? I don't know what to believe from the media!
She's right about Iran after all Iranians left islam in 1508
Alot of people sees Iran through the lens of western media and some very little pro shah secular people.
The Iranian regime is a big enemy of Israel n usa ,thats why west try to defame Iran..
98% of Persians are great muslims they have given their blood to throw out shah n brought islamic regime..
Dont ever believe western media whatever they say about Iran...
Thank you brother Paul & your guest for this interesting Podcast , it's true in the west secularism has been on the rise for quite some time because of the church control over things , however Islam is on the rise because of its enormous potential to solve prevalent problems such as social injustice ,racism, social inequalities & national conflicts also brings calmness & tranquility and a strong sense of unity & brotherhood regardless of cultural and social background .
Paul I agree you should not judge the quality of your work by the number of views. I am not an academic in these areas but am truly gripped by the depth and quality of the discussions you have on bt. I might add you showed tremendous manners and etiquette in your undoubted tension with the speaker at times MashAllah
My coworkers refuse to believe that the Christian cult is unimaginably groovy. They think it's poo.
Beautiful and well researched discussion on how to deduce guidance on predicting British society religious trends from census based statistical data; Perhaps the next census should add another question, "Have you gone through any mystical "awareness" experience and how did/does it affect your attitude towards religion?" and cross check its trend with declining religious affiliation.
Paul, I read this in a German paper
Prognosis for leaving the church
In 2021, 19.7 million people still belonged to the Protestant Church and almost 21.7 million to the Catholic Church. A study by the University of Freiburg predicts that both churches together will still have around 22 million members by 2060 - this corresponds to around a quarter of the population. "The two formerly large churches die in their traditional social form and become a minority church," analyzes canon law expert Thomas Schüller. "The tipping point has long been exceeded."
But in reality these people are simply sympathetic to Christian belief but don't take faith seriously, this has in my experience been the view of most people..
When I was growing up I started seeking God so went to church, mum was my biggest critic and told me not to take it seriously as did most people.
You may as well be and outcast.
Things seem different with those from Islamic countries, in many ways strong cultural heritage is involved but also and most importantly Muslims believe that there faith is not external but is almost part of their DNA, to extract Islam from there is akin to cutting off oxygen, they would die
I also think that many reverts would say the same, they were dead, devoid and lacking but now faith connects them to the fact there is a creator, the eternal refuge according to Sura 112 ayat 2.
@@Steven_Rowe Yes, that is why I suspect by 2050, European Christianity, including Russia, will be only 25% of continent's population. It is a highly doubt-able claim that Christianity is the biggest religion, it is clear now that Islam is the most practiced religion, even if one excludes cultural Muslims (maybe 10% of Muslim population). Christianity is on 2nd place now.
Most people type Bible Criticism online and discover that the Holy Bible is complete fiction. How educated are you, Hassan? Any critical thinking skills, Cupcake?
@@martinkent333 Most people now a days read Bart Ehrman and get to know about the fabrications in Bible. Also, the surveys I quote are not from Muslims but from German media. So, it is clear that Christianity is in steep decline. Your tone of voice is insulting, this show that you are bitter and semi-literate. I am an applied scientist by profession, you might be one of those dumb people who equate university education with intelligence.
@@hassanmirza2392 So you believe in the Hebrew myths AND the Greek myths, Rube?
Peace and prosperity on all of you.
Thanks for enlighten talk.
Awesome Discussion 👍 thank you brother Paul, ,, May Allah bless you with success in this life and eternal life too 🤲
Excellent interview Masha Allah sadly I missed it 😞
Another very interesting discussion. Thank you. Here in the New England section of the United States, a decline in the practice of organized religion has been very evident during my lifetime. Church buildings - Catholic and Protestant - are frequently up for sale; purchased for residence or business locations. The Methodist church that I attended while growing up has had the beautiful pipe organ sold, the oaken pews sold and replaced by less expensive seating in order to keep the congregation afloat. The pastor's job is part-time. No living could be made from the weekly tithings. I can't speak to individual spirituality. But the community presence of religion is far, far weaker now than it was during my youth.
@@oolalamme2698 You seem quite angry for a Christian, even one who won't use his/her real name. Perhaps you are one of those FOX NEWS Christians I've heard about?
It is similar here in Germany (to be precise in the southwest near blackforest). When my mother grew up as part of the boomer generation people in most families in the village she comes from (mostly farmers) where still so pious that all the chores were organised around attending mass on sunday and most people attended another time during the week. I was a an altar girl growing up; I spent enough time in church to say 5 % attendance would be an improvement. It is even lower. The financial problems of Christianity are gravening, just more slowly than elsewhere due to the German specialty of "church tax"(You have to administratively renounce membership in church in order to not pay it as annex to your income taxes.). And the inability of the church to find enough people who want to be priests etc. is grippling local parishes faster than finances ever could. Although I would prefer people finding true monotheism, seeing that development is kind of disheartening as most will probably find atheism instead.
This was so enlightening- thanks so much for conducting such an important, eye-opening interview. Only a week before Christmas I was asking my Christian colleagues if the Christmas tree, turkey and lights had any religious symbolism and they all openly and rather sheepishly admitted that they weren't! Absolutely mind-boggling. with all the hype that centres on Christmas They said it was all about capitalism now! Very sad.
Surprised you even needed to ask.
I also disagree with her point that Monotheisms in practise tend to have polytheisms, because the important point I think is not whether the three Abrahamic monotheisms have vibrant supernatural ecosystems of angels and so on, but rather whether those other supernatural beings are placed into the same category as the God to which one is oriented? If you take something like Zoroastrianism that is often said to be a monotheism, you'd find in my opinion that that's not exactly true because there are two discrete entities within it that are assumed to be of the same category - that being Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. In some readings of Zoroastrianism the former is taken to be stronger than the latter, but in others there's a seemingly cyclical view of history where Ahriman is resurgant before Ahura Mazda has to do something to restore the balance in his favour which forms the premise for various heroic narratives of pre-conversion Iranian mythology. But that's ultimately irrelevant because they're textually described as being dualistic entities, they're of the same substance but are opposed. In Islam, Christianity, or Judaism, you have the angels, you have saints, you can even ascribe an active role to various devils, but ultimately they're all not in the same category as that in which Abrahamic monotheists place God into, and are therefore subservient to Him and are created by Him, and this question of categories I think is the primary way in which a monotheism practically differs from a polytheism.
Admittedly I might be missing her point to some extent (theology in theory vs belief in practise), but I think this bears mentioning nonetheless.
@@mmss3199 Yep. Blatant polytheism, yet still calling themselves "monotheist"
NORMAL people type Bible Criticism online and discover that the Holy Bible is complete fiction. How educated are you, Hamza?
@@slainless Slick Christian hustlers are not to be questioned. REPENT!!! REPENT!!! BIGGLES................... fetch the comfy cushions..........
Another point the professor makes is how Islam probably won't grow because there is a premium on choosing your own religion in today's society. But surely what she means by "today's society" is non-Muslim society?. Because in Muslim communities within the UK there is no such premium, quite the opposite in fact! Most of us
are not like non-Muslims in how we leave important life decisions up to our children, for us it is a child's right upon their parents to be taught about Islam from a young age and hence many retain an Islamic identity into adulthood even if they don't practice day to day.
Thanks for this discussion Paul Mashallah, very useful.
Love how you pushed back when she said young Muslims have no restriction and control from the above that's why they think its cool. No we have clear guidelines what's halal and haram. We don't need old people with wisdom to teach us when the words of the Prophet are with us. And judging by her slightly modest dressing I think she is a Christian believer in practicing sense and hence she was pushing back whenever you made negative comments against Christianity and church. It felt like you two were having a little heating debate inside the conversation. The was certainly some tension but you handled it greatly Paul. MashaAllah.
Paul wasn't making negative comments about Christianity so much as ones that could be corrected by a sociologist of Religion like Linda. She had the historical and sociological view that Paul lacked. As for modest dressing... in the UK it's winter and she's middle aged.
Amazing !
The Christian church supported colonialism and many recent wars against Muslems.
Yes, those who actually wield power definitely belong to a belief system otherwise there is no way that they can justify and support such a apartheid state as Israel and racist anti-Muslim policies
Salam Paul! Could you speak with Dr. Celene Ibrahim from Zaytuna? She did the videos on Female Archetypes in the Quran.
th-cam.com/video/xN1U7IYIPO4/w-d-xo.html
He interviewed her one year ago
You should definitely invite Linda in the future: she is well-spoken, knowledgeable and a good speaker.
This was such an interesting discussion Paul and I love how you disagree so cordially. Do you know where the 1 in 5 hypothesis comes from? And how would one define someone who counts as the 1 rather than the 4? For example there are 4 people in my immediate family and you could identify my father as the 1 since he prays tahajjud, does voluntary fasts, gives extra charity etc, alhamdulillah. However the other 3 of us also pray 5x, fast Ramadan, give zakat etc. To make people we would count as very religious/spiritual... So according to what measure is this hypothesis...?
I really appreciate that this channel is so wide ranging. It is so rare to see intelligent Muslim lead discussion on diverse topics. Alhamdulillah.
أكثر الله تعالى من أمثالك
What a informative this podcast is.. Kudus to Ma'am for sharing her knowledge with us , n br Paul keep us diving in knowledgeable ocean Keep up your good work as always.. Aameen
23:26 - 24:19 great point! Thank you for the explanation.
SubhanAllah
Wal hamdulillah
Wa la ilaha illallah
Wallahu akhbar
May Allah SWT guide those who reverted to Islam, to the true teaching of Islam and being obedient Muslims, will grant them and all the Ummah with a place in Jannah.
Aamiin🌙🕌🤲💕
Hey Paul. Could you make an episode of Mandeism through islamic view with some scholar maybe and lift some similarities and differences and the interractions between the two. That would be lovely. God bless!
There isn’t an International Standard for “Christian country.”
On the one hand, the Head of State (the King) is also automatically “Supreme Governor” of the Church of England.
Our Government though is multi-faith.
Members of Parliament can take either a religious oath (on a holy book of their choice), or make a non-religious “solemn declaration.”
Rishi Sunak took the oath as a Hindu on the Bhagavad Gita as did two other Conservative MPs.
Suella Braverman took her oath on the Dhammapada.
There is no fixed list of Holy Books.
My coworkers think that the Christian cult is pure poo and so is the cult handbook.
Will there be a Muslim PM someday in UK?
@@charlievaughan1308 Europe has hyper secularism and they discriminate against religious people.
Wow!!!🙂Interview of various academics & what you do is digital service to Islam Keep going ahead.May Allah Almighty give you good health and long life my brother & accept your service to Deen.Love from Tamilnadu, South India.
A good observation but I disagree to a certain extent with the Islamic faith increasing. We don't see a cool version of Islam. We see Islam in the sence that it is a moral compass. We respect the values taught by our elders/parents, which in term has come deeply from what is right (Halal) and what is wrong (Haraam). Being a Muslim in a non islamic country is very hard. Our family is at the core of morality and family values guided by the Book. Alhamdolillah الحمدلله 🙏🏾 Keep up the good work Paul.
Excellent discussion
Fascinating
Libido and broken vows is the engine that pulled the reformation train...
hollow foundations collapse.
This woman went full preacher mode.
This is such an amazing wonderful gorgous conversation.
بارك الله فيكم
ساهموا في هذه الحملة لاستعادة قوس قزح رمز الطفولة و البراءة الذي اختطفه الشواذ.
عندي اقتراح لكنه يستدعي الدعم الجماهيري.
و هو بخصوص ألوان قوس قزح، هذه الألوان التي كانت في الماضي القريب ترمز للبراءة و الطفولة اصبحت اليوم بعد سرقتها رمزا للشذوذ و انتكاسة الفطرة.
اقتراحي هو أن نسترجع ألوان قوس قزح من خاطفيها، و نعيد لها معناها الأصلي النظيف، و كبداية عن طريق نشر جملة:
#قوس_قزح_رمز_للبراءة_وليس_للشواذ.
#rainbow_symbolizes_innocence_not_queers
و حين ينتشر هذا الوسم و يكبر، حينها يمكن الانتقال لخطوات أكثر ميدانية.
أرجو اخواني الكرام أن تساهموا في هذا العمل و حث المؤثرين عبر وسائل التواصل الاجتماعي و اليوتوب لنشره.
هي فكرة بسيطة، لكن تاثيرها سيكون كبيرا إن انتشرت عربيا و عالميا، خاصة في تمييع الإشهار للشذوذ، فتسقط ملكيتهم الحصرية الغير مشروعة لألوان قوس قزح و يسقط معها الحرج من التعامل به.
بارك الله فيكم.
#قوس_قزح_يرمز_للبراءة_وليس_للشواذ.
#rainbow_symbolizes_innocence_not_queers.
Vortex
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.
Good podcast overall but you should have pushed back a little at the end. She comes with assumptions like pluralism, which is very opposed to monotheistic grounds. All monotheistic religions, and really all religions have at their core the idea that they are the truth, the correct one, this neccesitates that they will regulate the beliefs of their claimants, and in the case of monotheism maintain what is most central to the faith, which is monotheism. Of course monotheism doesn't tolerate polytheism, especially by those who claim to follow monotheism, to expect that they should is itself applying a secular paradigm to a spiritual one. It's not up to us whether or not we accept shirk, that is Allah's right.
Finally we as Muslims DO acknowledge people do these sorts of things, even so called Muslims, but we know from certainty that it is literally evil and satanic.
18:00 sometimes it's the media headlines, that portray the issue in very simplistic/sensational terms, e.g. "Britain is now 50% more Muslim!" yeah, from 4% to 6% percent.
Muslims and Christians believe in the Hebrew myths created in 950 BCE. Paranoids with invisible enemies. A happy bunch of nuts. Yawn..........................
Lol 🤣🤣
further reading for all of us about Islam would be recommended
Islam does not value Quantity as in numbers.
Islam highly values the Quality of the Muslim, pious values.
So true.
That sounds beautiful
Yeah thats why their women are only a machines to birth Children
@@evolutedmonkeyhuman6908 there are cures to many things except, for a arrogant stupidity
@@nmkzf what🤣... Treating women as maid and sex object..puting in a cage
. brainwashing from birth
Zero education
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I think the elephant in the room has not been addressed. In relation to the decline of Christianity...
Firstly, just because you have ceremonial Christian practices in the Royalty and house of parliament ....democracy and liberalism are the 'real' arbiters and lawmakers in Western societies ...there is a total disregard when making laws if they abide by Christianity....
Secondly, the priesthood has failed on so many fronts not least of which is the huge child sex scandals which have rocked the Church and turned people away from it.
Thirdly, anybody who seriously studies Christianity in Universities ...by the end of their studies they are so disillusioned by the difference of what they were taught as laypeople and the reality of scholarship that they have no choice but to either become athiests like (Bart Erhman) or refuse to let go of all that rich history of prophethood and embrace Islam the final truth ...like you did brother Paul 😀
*The* re is nothing Christian about a man marrying another man and getting a *marriage certificate* from the state
Sadly, *Britain* seems to have *forgot* ten
We may have to be ready to see a considerable replacement of the original population and the 'English way of life fe' .
Respectfully, I also don't fully agree with professor Linda's point about the "monotheistic propaganda" that "all religion is about a God" and everything else is superstition. Belief in angels, jinn, veneration of saints etc are all part of religion that is not necessarily seen as conflicting with the idea of God, so long as you don't equate these things to God. I feel she's creating a bit of a false dichotomy there... 🤔
Making dua for timestamps.
Pleaseeee invite SHEIKH IMRAN HOSSEIN....plzzzzzzz
I must second this!
Very thoughtful discussion.
People are seriously searching for the truth .
Worshipping Your True and Only Creator is innate in humans before we were born on this Earth. The evidence is in the Quran. A covenant was taken from the progeny of Adam to Worship Allah .
It's the natural inclination that is ingrained in our hearts and souls to believe in God(i.e., Allah).
"And (remember) when your Lord brought forth from the Children of Adam, from their loins, their seed (or from Adam's loin his offspring) and made them testify as to themselves (saying): "Am I not your Lord?" They said: "Yes! We testify," lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection: "Verily, we have been unaware of this. (Qur’ān 7:172)
Abu Huraira reported:The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No child is born but that he is upon natural instinct. His parents make him a Jew, or a Christian, or Magian. As an animal delivers a child with limbs intact, do you detect any flaw?” Then, Abu Huraira recited the verse, “The nature of Allah upon which he has set people,” ( Quran 30:30).
Islam is popular in young people in Britain as compared to their parents' generation, which is mainly due to the chaos and confusion around them . They are looking for peace and solutions. Which Islam in its pure form provides.
If Islam was for identity reasons, then normally people cling unto their cultural heritage like Hindus . And many Muslims also do.
But cultural Islam has so many clashes with the purity and logic of Islam . Like grave worshipping, etc.
Young and old want to practice Islam for their own sanity, internal and eternal peace.
And the truth it provides. Islam satisfies your logic at any level , soothes your heart in a way , no other religion or philosophy can do that.
This is really good Paul!!
I would suggest to you Paul to do more videos where you go straight to the point instead these looong videos. Thanks
Britain would be a lot more Christian if we had a Church of England that focussed on spiritual rather than political issues.
Charlotte Bronte, the great true-Christian writer:
“It is in vain to say human beings ought to be satisfied with tranquillity: (they) must have actions. And they will make it if they cannot find it” (100).
-Jane Eyre.
Wouldn’t it be amazing if every thinking human accepted each person’s innate diversity, and let the Creator judge their lives’ habits, rather than being anticipatory that everyone is going to become the same way? Wouldn’t it be something of thinking persons knew that Almighty is the judge of each nation’s destiny? Each individual’s destiny?😎
How great was Bronte? How great the good man Blake? How great was and is the legacy of British literature as it was? And how nice that some have also embraced Islam, and that some have not?
They are not going on the same path in terms of arguments..,
She’s a smart woman’ but as i observe she know less about the fundamentals of Islam..,almost all her views in terms of islam are through a very superficial lens..,
That would be the lense of the mustashriq..
That would be the lense of the mustashriq..
Great interview, Paul. Firstly, the professor should not put down her hunch, the hunch of an expert is not equal to the hunch of a layperson. I do have to challenge the professor on her (separate point of) seeming to conflate monotheistic religions suppressing vs. denying the paranormal when she says that saying, “all religion is really about a God, and everything else is superstition” is “an ideological viewpoint that wipes out the experiences” of non-monotheistic practicioners. Monotheistic religions don't deny these experiences or religions by suppressing these communions, on the contrary, they are pushing forward a view of these experiences as communions that _are_ genuinely happening with real entities, but entities which we shouldn't commune with, for various theological reasons. She's right that these are ideological commitments, we don't deny that, but why does she call it “propaganda”?
That we should tolerate polytheism stems from her own ideological commitments, which seem so far unsubstantiated.
Please Can you explain SUNAN AN NASA 4059 ??????
Can’t wait to watch the whole thing. Gonna actually skip the world cup finals to watch this 👀
Christian cult brainwashing is unbelievably exciting. I wish I was licking Bishop MacCarricks hemorrhoids again. HALLELUJAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1 in 5 hypothesis would become a 4 in 5 hypothesis if she'd visit a Muslim society during Ramadan 😁
what's the current book count?
Surah Maryam, Verse 36:
وَإِنَّ اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبُّكُمْ فَاعْبُدُوهُ هَٰذَا صِرَاطٌ مُّسْتَقِيمٌ
Esa (Jesus) said; surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serve Him; this is the right path.
As for worshipping Allah, we read in the Aramaic Bible, in the first book, the first chapter, the first verse;
*Genesis 1:1:
In the beginning, Allah created the
heavens and the earth.
Brasheet bara Allaha eet shmaya wa eet ar’a
This is Aramaic, the language of Jesus, and we see that Allah was the originator of creation. He was mentioned since the very beginning of scripture.
*Genesis 20:17
And Abraham prayed to Allah
Wa salee Abraham qadam Allaha
The second pillar of Islam is “لاةالص...“Salaah which is the same word used in the
Aramaic verse “salee". Here, the word means “(he) prayed”.
*Allah has also declared himself
in Isaiah 46:9;
Remember the former things of old: for I
am Allah, and there is no other god; and
there is none like me.
Etdhikru qadmayta d’min ‘alma d’ana na Allaha, wa layt toob ilah, wa layt akwatee
*Mark 12:29:
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel;
The Lord Allah, The Lord is One.
Amar leh Yashu’, madmay min kullhoon puqdane, shma’ Israyel, Marya Allahan, Marya Had hu
In fact, Jesus was such that he even rejected the idea of himself being called “good”.
Therefore, he quickly corrected the individual that approached him saying:
*Matthew 19:17
Why do you call me good? There’s
none good except Allah The One
Mana qara anta lee Taba? Layt Taba illa en Had Allaha
Abraham, even before Christianity and Judaism, Allah has been worshipped and prostrated. A common practice observed only in Islam.
*Matthew 4:10:
For it is written, worship the Lord Allah, and to him only service is due.
Kateeb geir dal’Marya Allahak tasjood, wa leh balhoodawhee tiflooh
www.thearamaicscriptures.com
Allah is the God that jesus worshipped;
th-cam.com/video/cg7cK7zPkqM/w-d-xo.html
@@oolalamme2698
Lol. Thanks for agreeing that Allah is the Name of God of "jesus" or Esa as we know him.
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 2:
اللَّهُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ
Allah, (there is) no god but He, the Everliving, the Self-subsisting by Whom all things subsist
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 3:
نَزَّلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَابَ بِالْحَقِّ مُصَدِّقًا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ وَأَنزَلَ التَّوْرَاةَ وَالْإِنجِيلَ
He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Taurat and the Injeel previously.
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 4:
مِن قَبْلُ هُدًى لِّلنَّاسِ وَأَنزَلَ الْفُرْقَانَ إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِآيَاتِ اللَّهِ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ شَدِيدٌ وَاللَّهُ عَزِيزٌ ذُو انتِقَامٍ
Aforetime, as a guidance to mankind, and it is He who has bestowed the standard by which to discern the true from the false. Surely they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution.
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 5:
إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَخْفَىٰ عَلَيْهِ شَيْءٌ فِي الْأَرْضِ وَلَا فِي السَّمَاءِ
Allah -- surely nothing is hidden from Him in the earth or in the heaven.
Surah Aal-e-Imran, Verse 6:
هُوَ الَّذِي يُصَوِّرُكُمْ فِي الْأَرْحَامِ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ لَا إِلَٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ
He it is Who shapes you in the wombs as He likes; there is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise
via iQuran
Beautiful Recitation of the above Verses;
th-cam.com/video/xJ51wbqEgAk/w-d-xo.html
@@oolalamme2698 you make it seems the early Christian and the current day Christian are the same religion
1:01 Did you see LW eyes, when brother Paul referred to those who identify as Muslim😂
Very interesting
thank you Paul, thank you prof, with the 5 aspects that you discussed, I answered someone's generalization on TH-cam about why do Muslims become more corrupt? I said, the names of the majority must be more. And assessing one's religious aspects must at least be from these 5 aspects. So I asked back, are that corruptors Muslim? Did 100% of "muslim" in ID card knowing and practicing these aspects in an Islamic way?
Quality analysis as usual, keep up the good work Brother Paul!
sorry but after 29:24 i heard enough of the professor. May Allah let us all use our hearts and brains in a usefull way.
Don't know why you were triggered by that. LW seemed to be pointing out simple facts of Christianity in the UK.
the elephant in the room is, has the decline of christianity and the rise of islam something to do with the teachings in these religions?
Probably not - the rise in Islam in the UK is due to rising immigration from Muslim countries. The decline of Christianity is a long term process that really has being going on slowly but surely for the last 300 years.
Based on church attendances v Masjid attendances in the major cities England is a Muslim country
ROOOOONAY
🇶🇦 🇦🇷
I think religion best benefits the weak minded among us in society. However, I also do find Islam to be true. Islam is the only religion that has a clear path towards God without human intermediaries or obstacles in the way of worship of God. A true religion should be as close to God as possible and only Judaism and Islam satisfy this. However, Judaism is very human infused because the Talmud seems take Gods power and invest in the rabbis. Also, Islam appeals to me more than Judaism because it is more inclusive in that it’s principles are directed towards mankind as a whole.
This was actually a good social commentary on Britain as a whole.
Everything lingers longer in Britain; you still have a monarchy FFS.
My brother Paul: Sheikh Dr. Abd al-Rahman al-Dimashqiyyah is one of the most prominent personalities specialized in criticism of the Shiite religion, alongside Sheikh Othman al-Khamis and Sheikh Faraj al-Suhaibi, but Sheikh Abd al-Rahman al-Dimashqiyyah, I think, is the only one among them who speaks English.
He can explain the fundamental differences between Sunnis and Shiites in an academic way. He is well versed in this science.
get it.
Get Javed Ghamadi.. he’ll destroy rawafidh in 3 minutes
5% of the population visiting church is higher than I thought to be honest. Could be to do with my location I guess.
Thanks to Professor Linda Woodhead, it was really informative
تهانكس ڤاُول
America/Britain need to search what the real meaning of what Christianity is = maybe they would have more in common with Muslims then
I dont see the UK as a Christian country. It sees itself as a 'secular' country.
When I view this channel I keep seeing "pro israel" ads. Very disturbing.
Excellent enjoyable conversation brother Paul. It's good to see female academics aboard your ship apart from make academics. Masha'Allah you enjoyed the conversation as well.
Amazing discussion as per usual .. she was a good guest
Thank you Faysal!
Someone send this to the Archbishop of Canterbury please
My coworkers think that the Christian cult is poo.
My god. In the first half, it seems like the answer is a paradox, just like their doctrine of the Trinity.
Is paganism returning to Europe?
Simply and obviously the answer is NOoooooooo
For those sympathetic towards the Taliban, please take note of what is happening in Iran! Virtue is not restricted to temperance, and more specifically with pleasures or sexual indulgences. As Montaigne's maxim says, “nothing overmuch” applies to virtue as well as to the pleasure-seeking that virtue tries to control.
Virtue is “a mean between two vices…because the vices respectively fall short of or exceed what is right in both passions and actions.” If what is reported in the media is accurate, then the Taliban are exceeding that which is right in both passions and actions.
Montaigne? ..
لسنا في حاجة أقوال الكفار ...قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه. و سلم : لا تغلوا في دينكم إنما اهلك من كان قبلكم الغلو في.الدين ...
No, and because of that fun things like "A Christmas Carol" make no sense because people can't let other people have fun
I don't think you can call it "Christian" any longer
Cultural christian
No.
Salam here, I just wanted to know on a side note, on some of the Islamic channels I frequent, females that were not covered where blurred out for the most part when in a discussion setting. There are also times like as this video where the female is not blurred. The blurring I’ve seen has been done to both Muslims and non Muslims Alike that were not covered in a some sense and was showing their hair and face. I’m trying curious if that’s necessary to do or not. As I dont want to intentionally glare at a female. Jazakhallah Kair.
This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house or residence but that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.”
Musnad Ahmad
,برك الله فيك .. .
Islam rising as the prophet said
Alhamdulilaah
36:40, not all religion is about superstition.,,
This was so informative, thanks to the Paul and the Dr.
So in summary the UK has institutional christianity, but as far as beliefs, practices in the fundamentals of the religion, that is not.
This interview is a reality check for british people