This is my first time hearing about this somewhat short-lived alliance (24 years is actually a lot longer than I would have expected). Thanks, History Matters!
I'm a bit of a history nerd and love Middle Eastern history and am only now learning of a "Mideast alliance that once included the UK, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan" I really do have so much to learn😅
@@savioblanc Nope. Stupid irrelevant things keep happening. I aint any wiser learning about this alliance which was more like a whatsapp group, where some Turkish politician wanted to play Admin
NO matter how short a video may be this is awesome for getting an early understanding of topics in history. Would have been really interesting to see what the organization would've been like now though.
How could it exist? Who would it fight? The moment the Soviet Union dissolved, CENTO would be worthless and NATO was thought as being so too until Russia invaded.
As a Turk I've never heard of this alliance but if someone came to me and said "Menderes tried to make Middle Eastern NATO" I would definitely believe that
It would split ASEAN though there's no way Laos would join anything anti-China and the economic threat of completely militarizing against China would be tremendous for all of us. I don't think even the biggest players like Indonesia and Thailand would commit this hard. It'd be at best a Vietnam-Philippines alliance.
Any chance we can get videos on why the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) also failed and why the Northeast Asia Treaty Organization (NEATO) never got past the proposal stage?
Iraq: We are having a coup! Help us defeat it! METO: No. Pakistan: We and India are having a war! Help us defeat India! CENTO: No. Türkiye: We are invading Cyprus! Help us with the invasion! CENTO: No. Iran: We are having a revolution! Helps us take it down! CENTO: No. *years later* CENTO: I wonder why everbody left this alliance.
@Iosinyhrh The point is they didn't ever work together. It was never the purpose of the alliance, but most of them tried to invoke it anyway and yet declined when others did the same.
This treaty was successor to treaty of Saadabad 1937(name of a palace in tehran) in which Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and turkey made an anti aggression alliance with blessing of England, which was an anti Bolshevik pact to prevent Soviets from coming south and invading them. It was signed in 1937, came to effect in 1938 and lasted 5 years in 1943 it was extended for another 5 years and after that it was dead.
One of the many examples that show how extraordinary the lasting cooperation within NATO is, and even more so the level of integration the EU achieved.
That's because there's some serious sketchiness to NATO when ya stop to think about it. After all, the Soviet Union's been gone for 30 years, yet NATO still exists? Why?
Imagine if this still existed today. How awkward would it be to have Pakistan and Iran in the same alliance or Turkey wanting to take power of it? Or worse: Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I never knew about this alliance before.
@@furqanfaisalchShia and Sunnis don’t mix well, Iran is mostly Shia while Pakistan is Sunni. Pakistan is also quite friendly with certain factions of the taliban, the taliban and Iran are enemies.
@@Sky-dd4tdThis is not true. Pakistan is largely a Sunni majority country but still has many Shia Muslims as a minority. Besides that, Pakistan has religious, cultural, ethnic and linguistic ties with Iran. Pakistan is also keen to keep good relations with Iran, as Iran is our neighbour.
This is something similar to the Balkan Pact (Also known as Balkan Ententé) a Balkan Alliance founded by Turkey, Greece and Yugoslavia to contain foreign aggression (most notably Italy and Bulgaria) and to erase hostilities after bloody conflicts that have been seen in the past 30 years or so. During WW2 it was dissolved due to the Nazi regime
Please do a video on the following subjects: 1. Why did the people's revolution of 1848 fail in Germany and Spain? 2. Why do people drive on different sides of the road in different countries?
1 because of infighting and poor command structure on the part of the revolutionaries 2 it’s complicated but it basically has to do with how people used to ride horses
Southeast Asia also had its form of NATO in the form of SEATO: the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, which failed to muster any collective military action because of non-cooperation between members. It strangely had more non-Southeast Asian nations like Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, UK, France, and the US. The only actual SEA nations present were the Philippines and Thailand, while South Vietnam and Laos were “protected” by SEATO. Burma, Indonesia, and Malaya refused to join.
Former colonizers? They wanted to keep control of the region after they withdrew at all costs. The same happened in South East Asia when France withdrew from there.
@@hereiam4824 Why not? Their hatred for Israel is basically all that unites them. Without Israel, the people living in the Middle East would be at each other’s throats again in months, like they have been for millennia.
@@mohammedqasim7147 well probably but technically not cuz they were only concerned about the expansion of soviets bcs they loved their countries (well sort of), plus the person in the original comment had a ukrainian flag in pfp so i don't think hatred of russia was being referred to here. :)
When you introduced METO, methought, "Huh? Don't you mean CENTO?" I'm glad I watched and learned that the organization that I knew for many years as CENTO was, for its first few years, known as METO (which was a much better name).
You get a lot of these "the EU / NATO but elsewhere", while forgetting those were forged after two apocalyptic wars in the span of 30 years and the real possibility of a world ending one happening soon. Those were pretty vital in overcoming, you know, a collective history of mutual antagonism 😅
After the collapse of The Abbasid Caliphate, The Ottoman Empire didn’t form until centuries of war with the crusades and mongols and few other states in the Middle East. And don’t forget about China and how many times they collapsed and reformed, even the modern day China is formed after almost a century of War.
@@patrickkirby6580 The Ottomans did not fight the Crausaders or the Mongols. The Abbasids did. The Ottomans only fought the Byzantines, and then brutally invaded the Muslim Egypt & Levant under the Abbasid vassel that was the Mamluk Sultanate, and killed the Abbasid Caliph in Cairo, making it thr end of the Islamic Caliphate ever since and the start of a period known as the "Vice-Caliphate" and "Sultanate of Islam". The Ottomans then started fighting the European empires with the same weapons for centuries, and while the Europeans kept advancing, the Ottomans had no scientific research programs or educational institutions like the Arab ones that they destroyed in the Levant & Egypt, the Persian ones that their Timurid cousins destroyed in Iran, and the ones their Mongol cousins destroyed in Iraq, thus they stayed behind until their fate was sealed with turkish nationalism raising, and other nationalist movements raising in the empire in retaliation to thr turkish nationalism, starting from the Greeks to the Armenians to the Kurds and lastly the Arabs (who held the meaningful economic centers of the empire).
@@theshlauf Probably Caribbean? More like how the UK is in the Trans-pacific partnership purely due to owning the Pitcairn islands in the pacific ocean.
Considering it included the US, UK, France and Australia while excluding Malaysia and Indonesia, it really is nothing like NATO and more an extension of western power.
you should do a sequel to this video on SEATO(South East Asian Treaty Organization). It seems like a similar idea but at least it had some interesting practical purpose for the vietnam war until it's disbanding.
@@komurluekmek which would've stayed neutral, right until another slightly sus politician came along and the USSR invaded all of it "preventatively". The partition was a better solution.
Most of these Cold War alliances (SEATO is another) failed pretty much because the only thing keeping them together were these large Western powers that wanted to outsource regional security to smaller vassals
as if the soviet threat was not real enough, say what you will about the corruption of south korean regime (even today, duh), it was also kinda their interest to survive the war
@@bartek4321 Yes, that is true, but most of these countries had too much internal discord to engage in international politics (the example of Hashemite Iraq is given in the video)
@@Centristlol But there is part of the problem. Some of the allies. Having one reliable ally isn't going to keep an alliance going when the others are shooting themselves in the foot.
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New people mentioned at the end! :D This is the only channel where I listen to the list of patrons. The way they are said is entertaining for some odd reason
Now I finally understood what the Baghdad Pact was and that it was the same thing as METO. I heard about it in Middle Eastern history class, but it struck me as weird, because it seemed so irrelevant and inconsequential and now we see why I was kind of intuitively right.
Britain is like that popular, extremely extroverted dude who enters whatever social gathering even when it's clearly non intended for him, making it awkward for everyone
Sounds like quite a few countries .... You might like to focus on who is a threat today. I can think of at least two immediate ones threatening Europe and Asia...
0:11 The Baghdad Pact Those party to this treaty (hereafter referred to as 'the lads' do promise to fight together against any unwanted communist or socialist intervention in their respective countries. None of the lads will try to be cool with the Soviets or the Chinese, no matter what they offer, and will have each others' backs if they try spying or whatever. The lads agree to stay party to this treaty forever with the sole exceptions being overthrown by a coup which kills your monarch or simply just not liking the vibe anymore. We'll try to practice wars and stuff with each other, too. Maybe. If we can all find the time. Turkey's a busy guy. Non-Middle Eastern countries can join too but they should give us tanks and stuff.
South East Asia has their own too. SATO. Was as effective as ME TO but did help build the grounds for the ASEAN organization which is basically a poorer version of the EU.
@@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74Not even close. We can't travel without passport and visa check, we don't have common currency, and we frequently have minor border issues with each other (South China sea and other land border issues). Plus we don't have common value to stand for, like Europe's yearn for freedom and democracy. ASEAN is only there to make cooperations easier especially on economy and politics. There's also sports event ASEAN games to help. So, ASEAN is not exactly poorer version than EU. It's much worse than that. But still, ASEAN is a useful organization for cooperations between member states.
@@darnit1944 it was a oversimplification but I was meaning that it was economic forum. The EEC would have been a more accurate description but not as many people would know about the EUs predecessor. There has been talks of adoption of a common currency but I doubt it will come in fruition anytime soon. ASEAN has one uniting value is that they want to do business but I wouldn't say that is much of a foundation.
Could you please make a video about at least one of the following topics: 1) What consequences did the battle of Lepanto actually have? 2) Why did Britain oppose giving Danzig to Poland after ww1 3) Why was Germany stripped of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia after WW2 4) Japan's reaction to Germany's surrender. 5) Why did Napoleon invade Egypt? 6) Ethnic composition of the lands lost and/or gained by Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Italy, Poland and USSR in the aftermath ( I'm including the wars which occurred almost immediately after ww1 like Polish-Ukrainian war) of WW1 and WW2. The question is inevitably linked to " How important was self-determination and to what extent was it followed in the aftermath of ww1 and ww2? 7) Why does Lichtenstein exist? 8) Why do Bahrain and Qatar exist? 9) Why aren't Sri Landa and Mayanmar part of India? 10) Kashmir dispute Edit: 11) Why did West Germany reject the Stalin note? 12) Why didn't Switzerland and Austria turn their dialect of German into a separate language? 13) Kulturkampf (This is a topic that REALLY deserves its own video) 14) Why doesn't Sorbia exist? 15) Why did Bernadotte became the Swedish king? 16) Why does North Macedonia exist? 17) Why didn't the Ottoman Empire claim free land in the Arabian and Sahran deserts like Russia did in Siberia?
Will we see the emergence of EATO (East Asian treaty organization) to keep the Chinese in check? Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Singapore the UK and the US all have converging interests in this regard and a history of shared political values
SEATO was essentially that. There are several smaller alliances filling the role now because it's easier to keep cooperating with everyone if they can pick who isn't in their social group without dismantling everything.
Singapore would want to stay neutral to keep business interests in PRC intact, Taiwan wouldn't be allowed in due to their "nebulous" status as a nation, the UK would rather be an observer due to limited interests in the region; and countries such as Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, maybe Indonesia, and maybe India would join due to interests in the South China Sea. Aside from that, there's a possibility of this alliance forming to combat the PRC.
@@gr3avyTaiwan wouldn't be allowed? Given the current state of the region, I highly doubt that. Taiwan in recent years is finally starting to get the respect that it deserves.
It may have helped shape RU strategy a bit while going, as the USSR would have had to deal with potentially multiple enemies if it invaded. We'll never know if it was anything but a paper scorpion.
Peace treaty and diplomatic relations with Egypt, which was the first Arab country to formally recognize and establish diplomatic relations with Israel.
@@emberfist8347 No I know it isn't, I'm commenting on NATO trying to establish a permanent base in Japan. Been pretty big news over the last couple weeks. And regardless of 'The Brits' having territory there, Britain itself is nowhere near the middle east (obviously), which was a point made for levity in the video, hence my referencing it here. Geez
That makes sense though. The Germans and the Soviets were both supplying factions in the Chinese Civil War. The Soviets didn’t abandon the Communists like Germany did when they invited Japan to the Axis and previously fought the Japanese over border disputes over Mongolia which was Soviet puppet. So if the Japanese didn’t join the Axis or they continued fighting over Mongolia it would make sense that Germany or the Soviet Union would join the Chinese United Front. I would also expect that the Brits would get involved too to protect Japanese expansions to their holdings or prevent an invasion of Hong Kong.
@@emberfist8347lmao no the chinese United front was an exclusively Chinese faction, the whole idea was to present a united front of nationalists, communists and the remaining warlords of China against the Japanese.
This is my first time hearing about this somewhat short-lived alliance (24 years is actually a lot longer than I would have expected). Thanks, History Matters!
Goes to show how irrelevant it was.
I found it out from emperor tiger star video of it
sounds like it was an alliance in name only lol. Mutual defence pact unless somebody gets attacked..
I think it just existed during the Shah of Iran's reign.
Me too
a NATO alliance concept in the middle east will always strike me as hilarious, especially with britain being a member state.
it is like create a problem and then solve the problem
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Even without Britain it’s still funny
on some hoi4 border gore shit
UK best Middle East country
The fact that there’s an entire military alliance that I’ve just now heard of for the first time reminds me of how much there still is to learn
I'm a bit of a history nerd and love Middle Eastern history and am only now learning of a "Mideast alliance that once included the UK, Turkey, Iran and Pakistan"
I really do have so much to learn😅
Sounds more like a whatsapp group
@@savioblanc Nope. Stupid irrelevant things keep happening. I aint any wiser learning about this alliance which was more like a whatsapp group, where some Turkish politician wanted to play Admin
@@shantanutvmediaaccount1492 I still find it interesting. It's one of those "wait, you serious?" meme moments in history
I guess you could say "history matters". 😉
NO matter how short a video may be this is awesome for getting an early understanding of topics in history.
Would have been really interesting to see what the organization would've been like now though.
It literally couldn't exist.
How could it exist? Who would it fight?
The moment the Soviet Union dissolved, CENTO would be worthless and NATO was thought as being so too until Russia invaded.
As a Turk I've never heard of this alliance but if someone came to me and said "Menderes tried to make Middle Eastern NATO" I would definitely believe that
Menderes'i yedim
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@@AnatolianHittite tapmaya devam et
@@Octavian999 Harbi NPC! Kime niye nasıl bu sonuca vardın yobaz kardeşim?Beni tanımıyosun bile.hahaha
@@Octavian999abim asmr izliyor 💀💀💀
Imagine today, a military alliance between Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Turkey and the UK would still exist. It seems almost impossible.
Without the UK, it could be possible. Like a Muslim NATO
unholy but based
@@user-op8fg3ny3jWell, maybe, but these countries don't necessarily have the best relationships with each other.
@@snipertrader20GBS Pakistan and Turkey have excellent relationship
@@IdntknowWhy Pakistan has a weird obsession with Turkey because of historical TV shows, Turkey barely thinks about Pakistan
There’s also SEATO, or the South East Asian Treaty Organization, which, looking back at it, was probably a bad idea to dissolve.
Now it would have a purpose due to China
Depends because the military in Thailand and Mynmar aren't exactly very nice
Ya the timing and irony of that can not be understated
@@MenosaverusHe was adding to my point, he read my comment just fine.
It would split ASEAN though there's no way Laos would join anything anti-China and the economic threat of completely militarizing against China would be tremendous for all of us. I don't think even the biggest players like Indonesia and Thailand would commit this hard. It'd be at best a Vietnam-Philippines alliance.
If James Bissonnette ever leaves, History Matters will need to do an entire episode about it.
That would result in the dissolution of JBHMTO.
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Yes, without James in the alliance, it would likely be seen as little more than an extension of Kelly Moneymaker foreign policy.
Sky Chapelle seems to have left?
@@PhedelCastrohe did
another video another thanks to James Bissonette
Any chance we can get videos on why the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO) also failed and why the Northeast Asia Treaty Organization (NEATO) never got past the proposal stage?
Excellent idea.
Neato idea
There were also plans for a Denmark, Russia, Australia, Iraq, Nigeria-Organisation, but they were blocked from the start...
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If those are real things I'll second. Gotta get videos on the full set.
Keep up the great work.
Iraq: We are having a coup! Help us defeat it!
METO: No.
Pakistan: We and India are having a war! Help us defeat India!
CENTO: No.
Türkiye: We are invading Cyprus! Help us with the invasion!
CENTO: No.
Iran: We are having a revolution! Helps us take it down!
CENTO: No.
*years later*
CENTO: I wonder why everbody left this alliance.
The alliance was against the communist and not to help each other with different conflicts
It's called "Turkey"
@@andrealibanori3116That is an exonym, what some outside the country call it, They're using the endonym, what they call themselves.
@Iosinyhrh The point is they didn't ever work together. It was never the purpose of the alliance, but most of them tried to invoke it anyway and yet declined when others did the same.
@@andrealibanori3116Turkiye, cope
"We are committed to NATO, CENTO and SPOR-TOTO." a famous statement of the Turkish army
Never heard of this organization, thanks for teaching em something completely new, 🙂
This treaty was successor to treaty of Saadabad 1937(name of a palace in tehran) in which Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and turkey made an anti aggression alliance with blessing of England, which was an anti Bolshevik pact to prevent Soviets from coming south and invading them. It was signed in 1937, came to effect in 1938 and lasted 5 years in 1943 it was extended for another 5 years and after that it was dead.
Wait. It was still going on even during the Anglo-Soviet occupation of Iran?
why did you write Turkey's capital T lower but rest of the countries with upper capitalization?
@@latifakay0320 turkey hindi demek ya kanka, oto tamamlamada onu algılamıştır
@@eretna2480 yok kanka oyle olsa düzeltirdi hepsini büyük yazıp bilerek Türkiye'yi küçük yazmış.
@@latifakay0320 kardeş misal bilerek türkiyenin t sini küçük yazdı dünyanın sonu mu. Salla gitsin
I feel like METO needs a Yes Minister style sitcom centered around it. It's really too perfect to pass it up I think.
I just want another Yes Minister style sitcom period. Especially if it can be written and acted to the same standard.
One of the many examples that show how extraordinary the lasting cooperation within NATO is, and even more so the level of integration the EU achieved.
That's because there's some serious sketchiness to NATO when ya stop to think about it. After all, the Soviet Union's been gone for 30 years, yet NATO still exists? Why?
You do know what Russia is doing atm?
@@Lollaksyotuube mans been off the internet for the last 504 days
@@InfernosReaperthe members of nato want it to exist more than they want it to dissolve. simple as
@@InfernosReaperBruh…
Imagine if this still existed today. How awkward would it be to have Pakistan and Iran in the same alliance or Turkey wanting to take power of it? Or worse: Turkey and Saudi Arabia. I never knew about this alliance before.
Hell, Iran and Iraq in the same alliance?
@@MirzaAhmed89 why would it be awkward to have pakistan and iran to be in the same alliance?
@@furqanfaisalchShia and Sunnis don’t mix well, Iran is mostly Shia while Pakistan is Sunni. Pakistan is also quite friendly with certain factions of the taliban, the taliban and Iran are enemies.
@@Sky-dd4td the shia sunni divide is highly exaggerated. iran was shia when this alliance happened so no reason it would be awkward
@@Sky-dd4tdThis is not true. Pakistan is largely a Sunni majority country but still has many Shia Muslims as a minority. Besides that, Pakistan has religious, cultural, ethnic and linguistic ties with Iran. Pakistan is also keen to keep good relations with Iran, as Iran is our neighbour.
The “fellow Middle Easterners” sign had me dying
Fun fact: "mito" means "myth" in Portuguese, Spanish, and Italian, and this alliance is quite mythical, if anything, indeed.
This is something similar to the Balkan Pact (Also known as Balkan Ententé) a Balkan Alliance founded by Turkey, Greece and Yugoslavia to contain foreign aggression (most notably Italy and Bulgaria) and to erase hostilities after bloody conflicts that have been seen in the past 30 years or so. During WW2 it was dissolved due to the Nazi regime
Considering the tension between all Balkan nations today, I find it very hard to believe that at one point in time they were allied with one another
@@Lobito-qz9pz Which makes it (kinda) surprising that Yugoslavia lasted as long as it did.
Please do a video on the following subjects:
1. Why did the people's revolution of 1848 fail in Germany and Spain?
2. Why do people drive on different sides of the road in different countries?
2. because of the British and it's difficult to change such a thing
You voice-dictated this comment didn't you question mark
@@TheSkcubeYes. Changing the British is something that people have failed to do for 2000 years.
1 because of infighting and poor command structure on the part of the revolutionaries
2 it’s complicated but it basically has to do with how people used to ride horses
@@quuaaarrrk8056 it's more of changing what people are used to. it's why the metrification in North America stalled for example.
UK in METO: Salaam, fellow muslims
Well turkey of 1950s had a very bad reputation among muslims.😂
@@Nuclear_Weopon Because Ataturk:
@@ansarizinnoor6249ataturk the asshol
Cant wait for more great historical content from your videos!
Southeast Asia also had its form of NATO in the form of SEATO: the Southeast Asia Treaty Organization, which failed to muster any collective military action because of non-cooperation between members.
It strangely had more non-Southeast Asian nations like Australia, New Zealand, Pakistan, UK, France, and the US. The only actual SEA nations present were the Philippines and Thailand, while South Vietnam and Laos were “protected” by SEATO. Burma, Indonesia, and Malaya refused to join.
Smart Malays.
When empires fight, don't pick sides, just watch from far away to grab what you can benefit from anytime.
@@morceenit's pointless if we join
I never heard of this alliance and it last longer than I expected thanks for the great video 👍
I love the idea of Britain and Turkey reluctantly watching the entire middle east fall to shit then just calling it a day.
Well you have to keep an eye on the kids don't ya 😂
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More like Britain only
@@Stegosaurus_a_freak_of_natureand Turkey
Former colonizers? They wanted to keep control of the region after they withdrew at all costs.
The same happened in South East Asia when France withdrew from there.
"To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best." ~ Darth Traya.
thats litteraly nato, its united by xenophobia and greed.
bruh i don't think that quote fits here but whatever
@@hereiam4824 Why not? Their hatred for Israel is basically all that unites them. Without Israel, the people living in the Middle East would be at each other’s throats again in months, like they have been for millennia.
@hereiam4824 It kind of does. They were only united due to their hatred or concerns about Russia
@@mohammedqasim7147 well probably but technically not cuz they were only concerned about the expansion of soviets bcs they loved their countries (well sort of),
plus the person in the original comment had a ukrainian flag in pfp so i don't think hatred of russia was being referred to here.
:)
Words About Books Podcast is such a good patreon that HM thanked him twice in the thanks section
When you introduced METO, methought, "Huh? Don't you mean CENTO?" I'm glad I watched and learned that the organization that I knew for many years as CENTO was, for its first few years, known as METO (which was a much better name).
For those of you that didn't get the 'not you' at 0:51, that is supposed to be ben gurion, hence israel.
I've never even heard of these organizations until today. Well done!
You need too read more history books.
Another main reason why it failed is because they didn't have a FEZ WEARING ITALIAN MAN
1:27 The character of Ben Gorion and portrait of Hertzl had me dying
Yet another video about something I never knew I wanted to know. Great stuff!
You get a lot of these "the EU / NATO but elsewhere", while forgetting those were forged after two apocalyptic wars in the span of 30 years and the real possibility of a world ending one happening soon. Those were pretty vital in overcoming, you know, a collective history of mutual antagonism 😅
Unified India came to be after a thousand years of Islamic invasions and a century of British Raj
After the collapse of The Abbasid Caliphate, The Ottoman Empire didn’t form until centuries of war with the crusades and mongols and few other states in the Middle East.
And don’t forget about China and how many times they collapsed and reformed, even the modern day China is formed after almost a century of War.
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The Ottomans did not fight the Crausaders or the Mongols.
The Abbasids did.
The Ottomans only fought the Byzantines, and then brutally invaded the Muslim Egypt & Levant under the Abbasid vassel that was the Mamluk Sultanate, and killed the Abbasid Caliph in Cairo, making it thr end of the Islamic Caliphate ever since and the start of a period known as the "Vice-Caliphate" and "Sultanate of Islam".
The Ottomans then started fighting the European empires with the same weapons for centuries, and while the Europeans kept advancing, the Ottomans had no scientific research programs or educational institutions like the Arab ones that they destroyed in the Levant & Egypt, the Persian ones that their Timurid cousins destroyed in Iran, and the ones their Mongol cousins destroyed in Iraq, thus they stayed behind until their fate was sealed with turkish nationalism raising, and other nationalist movements raising in the empire in retaliation to thr turkish nationalism, starting from the Greeks to the Armenians to the Kurds and lastly the Arabs (who held the meaningful economic centers of the empire).
I started laughing my ass off when UK joined lmao
Hello fellow middle easterns
Technically still are, depending how you define their part of Cyprus as in the Middle East.
Brit love of Turks is too strong🤣🤣
The British had many protectorates in the Middle East.
@@ToastieBRRRN Wouldn't that be like saying the United States is Latin American because it controls Guantanamo?
@@theshlauf Probably Caribbean? More like how the UK is in the Trans-pacific partnership purely due to owning the Pitcairn islands in the pacific ocean.
This is probably the earliest I’ve ever been to a History Matters video.
Me too
*Same lol. 6 minutes late*
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Maybe one of the best history channels. So much info explain effectively and effectively 👍
Better than the real History Channel now.
And explained effectively, of course
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These are brilliant interludes in your videos.🤣❤
Since you covered METO it would be interesting to see you cover SEATO (the Southeast Asian version of NATO)
Well we gotta take a SEATO for that one
Considering it included the US, UK, France and Australia while excluding Malaysia and Indonesia, it really is nothing like NATO and more an extension of western power.
To be honest, I didn't know there was a METO. This is something new to me.
you should do a sequel to this video on SEATO(South East Asian Treaty Organization). It seems like a similar idea but at least it had some interesting practical purpose for the vietnam war until it's disbanding.
I'd love a video on the "Stalin Note". Most people interested in the history of the Cold War seem completely unaware of it.
What's that👀
@@genekendrick679stalin proposed a unified neutural germany but the us refused
@@komurluekmekbecause we saw how the Soviet treated neutral countries (see Finland, Baltics)
@@komurluekmek which would've stayed neutral, right until another slightly sus politician came along and the USSR invaded all of it "preventatively". The partition was a better solution.
@@雷-t3j a nazi would not rise to power, plus even if it did both the soviets and nato would intervene
@0:46 that ‘Fellow Middle Eastern’ sign had me creasing 😂
You're the only channel I don't watch at 2.0x speed. Not just because you talk fast, but also you speak concisely
these videos are always fun and to watch and informational
I was literally just reading about this, thank you history matters and thank you James Bizzonette
Most of these Cold War alliances (SEATO is another) failed pretty much because the only thing keeping them together were these large Western powers that wanted to outsource regional security to smaller vassals
as if the soviet threat was not real enough, say what you will about the corruption of south korean regime (even today, duh), it was also kinda their interest to survive the war
No they just needed nations to be able to defend themselves and remain stable which was too much to ask.
@@bartek4321 Yes, that is true, but most of these countries had too much internal discord to engage in international politics (the example of Hashemite Iraq is given in the video)
@@emberfist8347 Not necessarily, some Cold War western allies acquitted themselves rather well. Oman and Malaysia are examples that come to mind
@@Centristlol But there is part of the problem. Some of the allies. Having one reliable ally isn't going to keep an alliance going when the others are shooting themselves in the foot.
I read about this for the first time ever five days ago and then suddenly you release a video on it! It was such a hilarious concept.
Never knew about this alliance, but it's interesting stuff, thanks for another good history video.
1:11 - If defence pacts were done by the cast of characters from The Full Monty.
"History Matters" is both factually informative and hilarious. It is not easy to pull that off but these guys are adept at both.
Video Idea as a loyal Patreon supporter: Why did Finland 🇫🇮 gain autonomy in the Russian Empire?
Because the Russians were nice enough to grant it
As someone who can’t afford to be a patreon patron; I agree!
@@Theover4000 Everyone can afford to be a patreon, IF they decide to... If you cant, you shouldnt have enough money to pay for a computer or even a monthly internet sub...
@@justalonesoul5825 bruh; I have a million other things to spend money on; if I could, I would.
@@Theover4000 "bruh", if you "spend money on a million of things", 999.000 are not necessities but choices obviously, noone would believe that you're not spending on some entertainment or other useless/dispensable other BS like your collection cars. If you dont WANT to spend 3€ on patroning a channel, dont BS that you CANT, "bruh", or just dont add under such OP.
New people mentioned at the end! :D This is the only channel where I listen to the list of patrons. The way they are said is entertaining for some odd reason
History Matters has done it again, answering a question no one asked but we all need the answers to
The UK was like: ''Can you not be involved in a war or undergo a coup... FOR FIVE MINUTES''
3:07 that name! Hahaha! I see what you did there, stranger.
Now I finally understood what the Baghdad Pact was and that it was the same thing as METO. I heard about it in Middle Eastern history class, but it struck me as weird, because it seemed so irrelevant and inconsequential and now we see why I was kind of intuitively right.
Mom, I wanna join NATO
We have NATO at home
NATO at home:
i've never heard of METO until today
Maybe do a similar video about why the South East Asian Treaty Organization (aka SEATO) didn’t work out?
Britain is like that popular, extremely extroverted dude who enters whatever social gathering even when it's clearly non intended for him, making it awkward for everyone
Sounds like quite a few countries .... You might like to focus on who is a threat today. I can think of at least two immediate ones threatening Europe and Asia...
How do you do fellow Muslims
I’ve never heard of this! This is so interesting! Thank you History Matters!
The "Bruh" sign got me more than it should've
0:11 The Baghdad Pact
Those party to this treaty (hereafter referred to as 'the lads' do promise to fight together against any unwanted communist or socialist intervention in their respective countries. None of the lads will try to be cool with the Soviets or the Chinese, no matter what they offer, and will have each others' backs if they try spying or whatever.
The lads agree to stay party to this treaty forever with the sole exceptions being overthrown by a coup which kills your monarch or simply just not liking the vibe anymore.
We'll try to practice wars and stuff with each other, too. Maybe. If we can all find the time. Turkey's a busy guy.
Non-Middle Eastern countries can join too but they should give us tanks and stuff.
Honestly never even knew they had a version of NATO
South East Asia has their own too. SATO. Was as effective as ME TO but did help build the grounds for the ASEAN organization which is basically a poorer version of the EU.
@@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74Not even close. We can't travel without passport and visa check, we don't have common currency, and we frequently have minor border issues with each other (South China sea and other land border issues). Plus we don't have common value to stand for, like Europe's yearn for freedom and democracy.
ASEAN is only there to make cooperations easier especially on economy and politics. There's also sports event ASEAN games to help.
So, ASEAN is not exactly poorer version than EU. It's much worse than that. But still, ASEAN is a useful organization for cooperations between member states.
@@darnit1944 it was a oversimplification but I was meaning that it was economic forum. The EEC would have been a more accurate description but not as many people would know about the EUs predecessor.
There has been talks of adoption of a common currency but I doubt it will come in fruition anytime soon.
ASEAN has one uniting value is that they want to do business but I wouldn't say that is much of a foundation.
@@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 SEATO.
Amazing that UK was the last one to leave METO.
Very cool man, you can make a video about Sadabat Pact as well
I’ve never seen a channel more dedicated to thanking their patron’s
Follow-up question: "Why did we never know METO ever existed in the first place?"
The reason it failed is because James Bissonette refused to do business with them
Kelly Money-Maker's bots always blaming the Bissonette faction 4 everything that goes wrong
But words about books podcast pitched in twice
I first read it as middle earth and got confused as hell
Good to know you're subscribed to EmperorTigerstar! ^^
Ben-Gurion getting a "Not you" at 0:50 😂😂
Video Idea: The role of East and West Florida in the American Revolution
Could you please make a video about at least one of the following topics:
1) What consequences did the battle of Lepanto actually have?
2) Why did Britain oppose giving Danzig to Poland after ww1
3) Why was Germany stripped of Silesia, Pomerania and East Prussia after WW2
4) Japan's reaction to Germany's surrender.
5) Why did Napoleon invade Egypt?
6) Ethnic composition of the lands lost and/or gained by Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Italy, Poland and USSR in the aftermath ( I'm including the wars which occurred almost immediately after ww1 like Polish-Ukrainian war) of WW1 and WW2. The question is inevitably linked to " How important was self-determination and to what extent was it followed in the aftermath of ww1 and ww2?
7) Why does Lichtenstein exist?
8) Why do Bahrain and Qatar exist?
9) Why aren't Sri Landa and Mayanmar part of India?
10) Kashmir dispute
Edit: 11) Why did West Germany reject the Stalin note?
12) Why didn't Switzerland and Austria turn their dialect of German into a separate language?
13) Kulturkampf (This is a topic that REALLY deserves its own video)
14) Why doesn't Sorbia exist?
15) Why did Bernadotte became the Swedish king?
16) Why does North Macedonia exist?
17) Why didn't the Ottoman Empire claim free land in the Arabian and Sahran deserts like Russia did in Siberia?
He kind of Already did why Germany lost East Prussia in WW2 on why Russia Owns Kaliningrad
He has covered some of these already lmao, before you make a list actually check to see what has been covered
Yeah I don’t think he’s gonna do that last one
Doing an unbiased video on the Kashmir issue will probably end up getting him mass reported and death threats.
@@0008loser I'm a regular and enthusiastic watcher of his videos and, I believe I've watched all of his short videos. Which one of these has he done?
First ever MeTo movment, who knew the middle east could be so progressiv
Once again we join together to watch a video that none of us asked, but all of us are interested in.
Basically, it's a travel plan with your friends, but no one ever really commits, and it ends up fizzles out.
The Middle East is known for a lot of things. Peaceful cooperation among friendly good neighbors is not one of them.
With a name like METO, I understand why it’s gone
Will we see the emergence of EATO (East Asian treaty organization) to keep the Chinese in check? Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, New Zealand, Singapore the UK and the US all have converging interests in this regard and a history of shared political values
SEATO was essentially that. There are several smaller alliances filling the role now because it's easier to keep cooperating with everyone if they can pick who isn't in their social group without dismantling everything.
Singapore would want to stay neutral to keep business interests in PRC intact, Taiwan wouldn't be allowed in due to their "nebulous" status as a nation, the UK would rather be an observer due to limited interests in the region; and countries such as Malaysia, the Philippines, Vietnam, maybe Indonesia, and maybe India would join due to interests in the South China Sea. Aside from that, there's a possibility of this alliance forming to combat the PRC.
@@gr3avyTaiwan wouldn't be allowed? Given the current state of the region, I highly doubt that. Taiwan in recent years is finally starting to get the respect that it deserves.
they seem to favor inofficial cooperation as that strains diplomatic ties less
There is the 5 power defense pact, of New Zealand, Australia, Singapore, Malaysia and the UK. As well as AUKUS.
Love that sign - “me again” 🤣
LOL! I always love the paraphrases of all the treaties in each of the videos.
Basically everyone either got couped out of the alliance or wanted to stay as far away from the UK as possible
I’m a Turk and my mom is historian. Yet, I’ve never heard of it before. Wow
I want to eat your big shawarma
Unlike NATO METO wasn’t NEATO
Goddamn it.
You had such a good opportunity to make the thumbnail say
WHY’D
YOU GET
ME TO
FAIL???
Getting recommended this now is diabolical
It may have helped shape RU strategy a bit while going, as the USSR would have had to deal with potentially multiple enemies if it invaded. We'll never know if it was anything but a paper scorpion.
It didn’t have James Bisonette as a member
Next you should do , "Why did Israel give up the Sinai Peninsula?"
Peace treaty and diplomatic relations with Egypt, which was the first Arab country to formally recognize and establish diplomatic relations with Israel.
@historymatters always have loved your stuff. Taken inspiration for my own TH-cam channel. Very similar styles 👍🏻
2:14 which side is Indian?
Both could be
It has to be the guy on the right, he's been the Indian soldier in all these videos
Would be a miracle if ANYTHING in the Middle East didn't fall apart in less than one millisecond.
C'mon, Red Earth, I know something in the Middle East that doesn't fall apart, that lasts, well, *forever* . It's *antipathy* .
I mean, some things in Israel didn't fall apart.
Well, western powers have always made very sure of that.
@@BS-vx8dg i mean islam will last forever in the middle east
@midnightcharizard9497 just wait until israel collapses, that will be one of the best things that could happen in the middle east
Britain being eligible for a 'Middle Eastern' defensive pact is like saying Japan would be eligible for a 'North Atla'- oh.
The Brits still had territory in the region. Also Japan isn’t part of NATO.
@@emberfist8347 No I know it isn't, I'm commenting on NATO trying to establish a permanent base in Japan. Been pretty big news over the last couple weeks.
And regardless of 'The Brits' having territory there, Britain itself is nowhere near the middle east (obviously), which was a point made for levity in the video, hence my referencing it here.
Geez
I didn't even know that METO existed until now--thanks HM!
It is was similar to seato or south east Asia treaty organization was dissolved during the end of the vietnam war
This alliance is almost like the wacky alliances in HOI4 where some random European state joins the Chinese United Front
That makes sense though. The Germans and the Soviets were both supplying factions in the Chinese Civil War. The Soviets didn’t abandon the Communists like Germany did when they invited Japan to the Axis and previously fought the Japanese over border disputes over Mongolia which was Soviet puppet. So if the Japanese didn’t join the Axis or they continued fighting over Mongolia it would make sense that Germany or the Soviet Union would join the Chinese United Front. I would also expect that the Brits would get involved too to protect Japanese expansions to their holdings or prevent an invasion of Hong Kong.
@@emberfist8347lmao no the chinese United front was an exclusively Chinese faction, the whole idea was to present a united front of nationalists, communists and the remaining warlords of China against the Japanese.
I was going to post a Middle East joke, but Iran out of ideas.
bruh