Nice video guys - here is some context and answers to some of the questions or feedback that you raised. 1) The larger inlet / outlet is for guys who want to go bigger power in the future - we're future proofing the design so guys can buy 1 intercooler and grow with the set-up. 2) The powder-coating is a thermal dispersion coating + it helps with avoiding corrosion , debris, etc 3) The frontal surface area allows for the quickest temp drop after beating on it - we have dyno video on our website to supplement the R&D that we did.
@@NemtecRacingalways! You're amazing! Edit: I'm open to all options if you need any help/assistance. I work for myself, so I'm always looking for fun stuff to do.
Thanks for doing this. The Morizo is patiently waiting in the garage for the aftermarket to develop. Intake and intercooler are now checked off my list thanks to you. I’m so happy to see what you have coming up.
I wish every platform had a channel like this. Great work guys! I don't think I'll ever buy a GR Corolla but I'm here watching every video getting educated on the platform.
Glad to see I made a good choice in the OTL intercooler preorder, I may be getting a tune sooner than later since you all said valve float came in with just the intercooler and other bolt-on's. I have the SXTH intake, OTL downpipe, RK Ti catback, and when OTL fulfills the preorder intercoolers I'll be installing that with their intercooler piping as well. Should be fairly close to your moms GRC so I'll hit you up about a tune soon.
Yeah with all those mods you definitely need a tune. The lower restriction intake and intercooler will definitely change the AFT enough to affect the car
I saw the PWR intercooler in the video but you guys didn't mentioned anything about it, what was the results ? The OTL that you guys tested, that IC is THICK, did it increase air blockage to the radiator ? OTL reduced a lot in IAT but how about OT and WT ?
Dear colleague, please tell me, if I buy a GR Corolla, where should I start with tuning to achieve 400-450 horsepower and good suspension for driving on snow and gravel, aiming towards a WRC style rather than a racing car?
Lamspeed turbo kit with a Garrett g-25 550 turbo. Is what you’ll need to make 400hp. Annex suspension is going to be coming out with a rally cross coil over soon.
@@NemtecRacing awesome! The taller intercooler seems like wasted space in theory because it’s tucked up under everything. But apparently it doesn’t affect it as much as I thought. Keep up the good work guys!
As a GR owner this is awesome content. Now i also just found out that in the UK theres a 800hp GR yaris that i think you guys at Nemtec would be intrested in looking into. Here on youtube, channel is called officially gassed
That’s 800 break horse power so reality it’s around 700 horse power to the wheels. That car uses a crazy wild turbo kit but that car is all custom. Vs our car is using basically a bolt on kit with very little fabrication
Hells yeah, appreciate y’all boys doing actual comparisons and dyno pulls, will there be any plans to do updates to these series as new waves released? Also stoked to see the race car and that sequential come back to life!!
@Nemtec, Per your comments on valve-float with all these options beyond stock; what's your recommendation to do about the issue if going OTL or CSF - just stay off the limiter, consciously stay under 6k rpm, or look toward a tune to set rpm limit? My aim is to relieve the components of the heat soak and stress to the engine overtime - keeping the car overall in its stock form long-term means swapping valve springs is a bit overboard. Keep up the great content.
Yes but intercoolers we recommend a tune. If your ever interested we sell tunes for $1200. Intercoolers are so much more efficient it might be unsafe to run an intercooler in without a tune for an extended period of time
@@NemtecRacingthat's solid info. Unfortunately I'm east coast with that really nice 93 octane and also not budgeting for mods right now, but I love your content! I have a CTR and a GRC and I'm just not sure what to mod first.
12:25 so you are saying if you get any of these intercoolers and don't get a tune you will run into valve float issue? so technically, they all require a tune to run safely if you are going to track your car, correct? Awesome video as always! I've been waiting for this comparison.
@@NemtecRacing Gotcha! Another thing I want to ask is that you said the test was done in your mom's CE. Did it have any other modifications during the testing (perhaps the down pipe and intake from previous videos) I'm asking because the baseline torque seems pretty high at 295. I also noticed the peak boost was 29psi which is higher than a stock tune?
SXTH claims you can run their intercooler and their charge pipe kit on stock tune. Since boost isn’t increased will valve float still be an issue at stock boost levels (not increasing boost).
Hello! Is there any solution for exhaust valve delete? I put a magnaflow exhaust and had some problems with the valve, so i get rid off the valve. I already have a EcuTek tune, but cant delete the warning on the dash of not having the valve connected. Sometimes it appear depending on the throttle pull…
@@NemtecRacing That's horrible news because I already have the PWR intercooler installed on my GRC... Glad to see more options available now than when I went with the PWR. If it was your GRC, would you upgrade? just wondering... My applicable mods include LIMIT+1 downpipe, Eventuri intake, Ecutek 93 and E50 maps... plan to do springs, retainers, and Kelford EZ cam later down the road. Glad to see you made it to Crystal Lake and picked up the new GRC with the blown engine. Excited to see what's next!
@@JasonChurch1992I was in the same boat as you. I spent $1000 on pwr also….. if I were you yeah I would change it especially if your going to go more mods down the road. OTL is a good value for sure. Not sure weather the jackson racing has any real improvement over otl so kinda which ever one you fancy
Any of these bigger thicker and taller intercoolers have issues with radiator not getting good airflow and cause over heating being the radiator is behind it.
@@NemtecRacing sorry, no I was asking the other guy! I wouldn't think these companies would spend all the R&D to make these just to have them restrict performance elsewhere.
You guys said valve float is that with a tune and intercooler or stock with intercooler. And is the OTL unit a bar and plate or tube and fin. I know the CSF is tube and fin.
we tested it with a tune and intercooler. but i wouldn't run one of these intercoolers without a tune. they are so much more efficient you'll risk changing AFR to much etc
My feelings from all the Yaris testing in Austraila... valve springs should be your 1st mod. If you don't, it's a ticking time bomb... even stock... could even be why that gr corolla burnt to the ground recently
Dang makes me kinda regret preordering the jackson racing intercooler 🥲 but at least it’s a huge upgrade from stock! I’m getting turbo inlet, charge piping and a BOV next. What brands would you recommend? I’m plan on getting SXTH element piping and stuck in between HKS and turbosmart for the BOV
Honestly BOV is kinda a waste. We never ran one on ours until we got the turbo smart one for the big turbo. And the jackson racing intercooler is very good intercooler so your all good
Did you guys monitor coolant temps as a part of this testing to test differences? Specifically curious about that due to some of the taller intercoolers you tested potentially blocking up free flow of air across the radiator vs the stock FMIC, and warmer air flowing across the radiator as a whole.
So only consider this....when you go big turbo. If you stay stock , and not tune the ECU....no valve float issues. But if you stay stock and use intercooler....still valve float issues?
Hey guys just a quick question about the valve float you experienced. was it with just the intercooler on a stock setup or after tuning? I'm just trying to understand if I can just bolt on a few things and be OK or if I need to start thinking rocker retainers/ head work with this mod. great videos! Thanks for all your sacrifice and hard work for for the sake of the GR community.
If you bolt on a intercooler you shouldn’t get valve float. But once you get more than one or 2 mods like intake and downpipe we’d recommend a tune cause these cars are sensitive and you can definitely drive your car and daily it with mods and no tune but taking it to the track and ripping it probs isn’t a great idea without a tune
Valve float is avoidable by any tuner who knows what they’re doing. If you get a tune you shouldn’t be worried about valve float cause the main guys that tune these cars know what’s up and have the tunes dialed in enough to avoid valve float.
Sxth didn’t send us one and we have a few customers logs that show it’s definitely better than stock but not as good as OTL and such similar price seems like the OTL one is better deal
I got the SXTH because CSF or OTL wasn’t out yet. Is it worth upgrading the SXTH intercooler to a CSF or OTL or is the SXTH is good enough for a daily driver. The thing I like about the SXTH it’s durable i do a lot of highway driving the stock one was getting dinged up SXTH doesn’t get any rock dings and it seems better than stock. I wish you guys tested it to see the numbers. They claim it performs 20 degree drop over stock intercooler which isn’t as good as CSF or OTL. BTW love the videos keep doing them. I’m a big supporter of the platform and you guys.
Nice video guys - here is some context and answers to some of the questions or feedback that you raised. 1) The larger inlet / outlet is for guys who want to go bigger power in the future - we're future proofing the design so guys can buy 1 intercooler and grow with the set-up. 2) The powder-coating is a thermal dispersion coating + it helps with avoiding corrosion , debris, etc 3) The frontal surface area allows for the quickest temp drop after beating on it - we have dyno video on our website to supplement the R&D that we did.
OTL was a steal at preorder pricing, they also offer larger tubing as an additional purchase
The OTL is a steal at $600 lol
Sounds like the OTL is the one to get on stock turbo, and the STM on big turbo... and you need to change out the valvesprings like yesterday!
We should just hire you lol. You made a 15 min video in 2 sentences lol
Thanks for the long time support bro!
@@NemtecRacingalways! You're amazing! Edit: I'm open to all options if you need any help/assistance. I work for myself, so I'm always looking for fun stuff to do.
Thanks for doing this. The Morizo is patiently waiting in the garage for the aftermarket to develop. Intake and intercooler are now checked off my list thanks to you. I’m so happy to see what you have coming up.
We are Trying lol. When you want to buy parts DM me on Instagram I can save you some money @john_pharaoh
I'm believe CSF said in the MotoIQ video that the coating helps dissipate heat.
Man y'all are just clearly the W for this car. And now I need that OTL IC.
I wish every platform had a channel like this. Great work guys! I don't think I'll ever buy a GR Corolla but I'm here watching every video getting educated on the platform.
Thats awesome i appreciate the support even though you don't own the car!
There's a black model for the Jackson Racing one, supposedly a special black coating
Glad to see I made a good choice in the OTL intercooler preorder, I may be getting a tune sooner than later since you all said valve float came in with just the intercooler and other bolt-on's.
I have the SXTH intake, OTL downpipe, RK Ti catback, and when OTL fulfills the preorder intercoolers I'll be installing that with their intercooler piping as well. Should be fairly close to your moms GRC so I'll hit you up about a tune soon.
Yeah with all those mods you definitely need a tune. The lower restriction intake and intercooler will definitely change the AFT enough to affect the car
Should be getting close to your mom??? That's what your mom said!😂
These comparison videos are super helpful. Saves is a lot of time and money when choosing parts. Thanks guys, keep up the amazing work!
I have ADD I’m surprise. I actually waited till the end. 😂👍🏾👍🏾
That’s a great compliment lol 🤘🤘🤘
Was literally waiting for this!!!!
Hopefully it answers some questions
Great job John and Team! Gives me a benchmark to compare our new intercooler to later on 😎
Not even John can inflict 42k in repairs, and that's saying something!
I saw the PWR intercooler in the video but you guys didn't mentioned anything about it, what was the results ?
The OTL that you guys tested, that IC is THICK, did it increase air blockage to the radiator ? OTL reduced a lot in IAT but how about OT and WT ?
Excellent comparison. Keen for the next video 😎 Who else watched till the end?
Keep up the fantastic work at Nemtec! Love the videos that you make. So much inspiration!
Thanks a ton!
any developments with the wrx? If yall stopped I feel you bc of the lower view avg on those vids.
No it’s just sitting lol I want to sell it honestly to fund more Corolla stuff
This isn’t nuke Franz what are you doing here
I couldn't wait for this comparo
Appreciate the support dude!!
Glad i stayed til the end! Friday gonna be dope congrats
Appreciate it!!
How do you know you had valve float in the high rpms? What parameters are you monitoring to see it?
You can hear it. And on the dyno graph you can see it
@@NemtecRacing is it a loss of power or choppy graph?
@@BulliKidboth lol tomorrow if I remember I can get a pic of it
Dear colleague, please tell me, if I buy a GR Corolla, where should I start with tuning to achieve 400-450 horsepower and good suspension for driving on snow and gravel, aiming towards a WRC style rather than a racing car?
Lamspeed turbo kit with a Garrett g-25 550 turbo. Is what you’ll need to make 400hp.
Annex suspension is going to be coming out with a rally cross coil over soon.
Message me on instagram (link is in the description of the video) or Facebook @ John Farrow
Was the testing done with the bumper off? I wonder if that would change the temperature efficiency of the taller ones?
We did testing with the crash bar on so not really because the bumper only covers the crash bar part
Don’t get me wrong it’ll affect it but just not a crazy amount of
@@NemtecRacing awesome! The taller intercooler seems like wasted space in theory because it’s tucked up under everything. But apparently it doesn’t affect it as much as I thought. Keep up the good work guys!
@@cpftank09 if you were running the larger intercooler you probably are gonna modify the front end for more air flow
Always pushing the envelope of these cars 🔥🔥🔥
Was hoping you would review the sxth element intercooler and charge pipes as part of this
As a GR owner this is awesome content.
Now i also just found out that in the UK theres a 800hp GR yaris that i think you guys at Nemtec would be intrested in looking into.
Here on youtube, channel is called officially gassed
That’s 800 break horse power so reality it’s around 700 horse power to the wheels. That car uses a crazy wild turbo kit but that car is all custom. Vs our car is using basically a bolt on kit with very little fabrication
Hells yeah, appreciate y’all boys doing actual comparisons and dyno pulls, will there be any plans to do updates to these series as new waves released? Also stoked to see the race car and that sequential come back to life!!
Yeah we will always do updated stuff we have all our data and when we get another intercooler etc we can just go back and compare the findings
Thanks a lot guys! Imma get the OTL for sure.
hell yeah! thanks for the support
@Nemtec, Per your comments on valve-float with all these options beyond stock; what's your recommendation to do about the issue if going OTL or CSF - just stay off the limiter, consciously stay under 6k rpm, or look toward a tune to set rpm limit? My aim is to relieve the components of the heat soak and stress to the engine overtime - keeping the car overall in its stock form long-term means swapping valve springs is a bit overboard. Keep up the great content.
So much helpful! Thanks ! OTL it is !
Would I notice anything with a better intercooler without a tune?
Yes but intercoolers we recommend a tune. If your ever interested we sell tunes for $1200. Intercoolers are so much more efficient it might be unsafe to run an intercooler in without a tune for an extended period of time
@@NemtecRacingthat's solid info. Unfortunately I'm east coast with that really nice 93 octane and also not budgeting for mods right now, but I love your content! I have a CTR and a GRC and I'm just not sure what to mod first.
You think OTL piping along with the OTL intercooler be better or just use stock piping ?
Idk if it really matters
Is the OTL a direct replacement? Looks much thicker and I wasn't sure if it required any modifications. Thanks!
It fits up perfectly no changes
12:25 so you are saying if you get any of these intercoolers and don't get a tune you will run into valve float issue? so technically, they all require a tune to run safely if you are going to track your car, correct?
Awesome video as always! I've been waiting for this comparison.
Yes sorry I should’ve made it more clear. We would recommend a tune to run an intercooler.
@@NemtecRacing Gotcha! Another thing I want to ask is that you said the test was done in your mom's CE. Did it have any other modifications during the testing (perhaps the down pipe and intake from previous videos) I'm asking because the baseline torque seems pretty high at 295.
I also noticed the peak boost was 29psi which is higher than a stock tune?
@@elantranyeah it’s on a car with intake, downpipe, tune and catback.
By baseline we meant “stock intercooler” vs aftermarket ones
@@NemtecRacing Gotcha. I really appreciate you guys making grc contents and I can't wait for the next video!
@@elantranFriday we have the big announcement and hopefully have our race car back on the road soon!!
As always let’s go boys and girls. 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Lessss goooo
SXTH claims you can run their intercooler and their charge pipe kit on stock tune. Since boost isn’t increased will valve float still be an issue at stock boost levels (not increasing boost).
Probably not. But doing mods like this with out a tune isn’t recommended..
Please do some road course testing! Would love to see a graph of continuous temperature overtime!
For $1500 you would expect some nicer welding. Maybe just the 'prototype' but the close ups look like a welding students first project.
3 of them?! Lol. Awesome.
Hell yeah brother just wait till you here the plans for then
Hello! Is there any solution for exhaust valve delete? I put a magnaflow exhaust and had some problems with the valve, so i get rid off the valve.
I already have a EcuTek tune, but cant delete the warning on the dash of not having the valve connected. Sometimes it appear depending on the throttle pull…
You have to have the valve plugged in and zip tie it up out of the way but it still need to actuate or you’ll still get the warning
@@NemtecRacing thanks mate
Someone has already developed a actuator removal modules you don't have to keep it plugged into the car
@@crazyairbornenews to me
@@NemtecRacingit's new to the market, creator had shared it on Facebook groups a week or two ago. Last I checked he didn't have a website yet
Might get a gr once I get my cdl almost done 😂
Do it you won’t!! Good luck with the CDL test
@@NemtecRacing thank you:)
Did yall disconnect the rear wheels so it was fwd only?
Yeah you can do alittle pedal dance to disconnect them. We do it just cause it causes less wear on the drivetrain
I think I am going to go for a custom air to water ic so I can have an icebox, have shorter piping, and flow more air
thatd be awesome. not very daily drivable but for racing etc that'd be awesome
@@NemtecRacing you could throw a fmhe for DDs.
the csf does not require any cutting at all?? I saw on a different video that they did but this changes purchasing decision a lot
The OE Air Ducting requires minor trimming with the CSF.
The JRSC one is sexy
Imagine it in the black paint option 🔥🔥🔥
@NemtecRacing imagine it heatsoaking worse since black may attract the heat
What about the PWR intercooler? You guys have it on the bench, but not on the board.
It was terrible $1000 for something that acts like the stock intercooler
@@NemtecRacing That's horrible news because I already have the PWR intercooler installed on my GRC... Glad to see more options available now than when I went with the PWR. If it was your GRC, would you upgrade? just wondering... My applicable mods include LIMIT+1 downpipe, Eventuri intake, Ecutek 93 and E50 maps... plan to do springs, retainers, and Kelford EZ cam later down the road. Glad to see you made it to Crystal Lake and picked up the new GRC with the blown engine. Excited to see what's next!
@@JasonChurch1992I was in the same boat as you. I spent $1000 on pwr also….. if I were you yeah I would change it especially if your going to go more mods down the road. OTL is a good value for sure. Not sure weather the jackson racing has any real improvement over otl so kinda which ever one you fancy
Would the CSF intercooler fit the Yaris? Should work as a drop in no?
Ofta idk if it’d fit a Yaris that’d be risky. Cause I know the Yaris front end is alittle different
Pretty sure it doesnt. The Yaris's coolers dont fit the corolla
We tested this on a GR Yaris from Mexico and it does not fit.
@@CSFracing will you be making one for the GRY?
Any of these bigger thicker and taller intercoolers have issues with radiator not getting good airflow and cause over heating being the radiator is behind it.
No they do not. we've had one on a yaris for a year now and we don't have issues with coolant heat at all
Do you have any proof of this?
@@SethKnowsyes look up race car he Yaris’s i buy parts from people who race Yaris’s and there intercoolers are not the source of heat
@@NemtecRacing sorry, no I was asking the other guy! I wouldn't think these companies would spend all the R&D to make these just to have them restrict performance elsewhere.
@@SethKnowsall good lol. On TH-cam and Facebook I’ve gotten like 10+ people asking about overheating issues
You guys said valve float is that with a tune and intercooler or stock with intercooler. And is the OTL unit a bar and plate or tube and fin. I know the CSF is tube and fin.
we tested it with a tune and intercooler. but i wouldn't run one of these intercoolers without a tune. they are so much more efficient you'll risk changing AFR to much etc
My feelings from all the Yaris testing in Austraila... valve springs should be your 1st mod. If you don't, it's a ticking time bomb... even stock... could even be why that gr corolla burnt to the ground recently
Keeping it cool 😎
Dang makes me kinda regret preordering the jackson racing intercooler 🥲 but at least it’s a huge upgrade from stock! I’m getting turbo inlet, charge piping and a BOV next. What brands would you recommend? I’m plan on getting SXTH element piping and stuck in between HKS and turbosmart for the BOV
Honestly BOV is kinda a waste. We never ran one on ours until we got the turbo smart one for the big turbo. And the jackson racing intercooler is very good intercooler so your all good
Would the sxth engineering one be the same as the results of the stock one based on specs?
It would be better than stock but not as good as the OTL
Oh and how was the throttle response with the STM?
There was no change really
lots of info
good one
Now can you do a comparison for oil cooler kits?
Send me the ones you want us to test
Send me links to the ones you want to see tested
Care to weigh in on the mishimoto intercooler?
It’s gonna be a nice piece in therms of quality but the performance probably won’t be as good as the let’s say OTL and there around the same price
Did you guys monitor coolant temps as a part of this testing to test differences? Specifically curious about that due to some of the taller intercoolers you tested potentially blocking up free flow of air across the radiator vs the stock FMIC, and warmer air flowing across the radiator as a whole.
Did you have to do any custom plumbing with the "big boy" intercooler
No custom plumbing it fit very good with the pipes they sent. We didn’t have to trim some plastic
I wonder how the sxth would hold up against these.
Sxth is a little bit worse than the OTL
So only consider this....when you go big turbo. If you stay stock , and not tune the ECU....no valve float issues. But if you stay stock and use intercooler....still valve float issues?
Valve float on these cars is very simple. If you run above like 24lbs of boost past 6k rpm on the stock valve springs they will float
Hey guys just a quick question about the valve float you experienced. was it with just the intercooler on a stock setup or after tuning? I'm just trying to understand if I can just bolt on a few things and be OK or if I need to start thinking rocker retainers/ head work with this mod. great videos! Thanks for all your sacrifice and hard work for for the sake of the GR community.
If you bolt on a intercooler you shouldn’t get valve float. But once you get more than one or 2 mods like intake and downpipe we’d recommend a tune cause these cars are sensitive and you can definitely drive your car and daily it with mods and no tune but taking it to the track and ripping it probs isn’t a great idea without a tune
Valve float is avoidable by any tuner who knows what they’re doing. If you get a tune you shouldn’t be worried about valve float cause the main guys that tune these cars know what’s up and have the tunes dialed in enough to avoid valve float.
@@NemtecRacing Hey thanks for the response guys! I appreciate info.
How much do they weigh?
Jackson racing is like 9lbs, OTL is like 11lbs and stm is around 14lbs
No SXTH ?
They didn’t want to send us one to revuew
@@NemtecRacing bummer :(
What no SXTH inter cooler?
Sxth didn’t send us one and we have a few customers logs that show it’s definitely better than stock but not as good as OTL and such similar price seems like the OTL one is better deal
Why not test the 6xth element one? That one is affordable as well.
It’s better than stock but isn’t as good as the OTL one
I have the SXTH element intercooler what the performance and that unit.
@@mhk67091 the sxth intercooler is better than stock but no where near as good as the jackson racing or OTL one
I got the SXTH because CSF or OTL wasn’t out yet. Is it worth upgrading the SXTH intercooler to a CSF or OTL or is the SXTH is good enough for a daily driver. The thing I like about the SXTH it’s durable i do a lot of highway driving the stock one was getting dinged up SXTH doesn’t get any rock dings and it seems better than stock. I wish you guys tested it to see the numbers. They claim it performs 20 degree drop over stock intercooler which isn’t as good as CSF or OTL. BTW love the videos keep doing them. I’m a big supporter of the platform and you guys.
@@mhk67091appreciate the support it probably isn’t work upgrading for a daily driver. It does the job
Where does this dude get enough money to do this?
Stonk market
@@NemtecRacing tell me your secrets
@NemtecRacing if you hit "Translate to English" below your post it says...
Stonk market=Stank Market😂