Who is to blame for the rise of ISIL? | Head to Head
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- Mehdi Hasan goes Head to Head with Michael T. Flynn, former head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency, on how to deal with ISIL and Iran.
Flynn was the former head of the US Defence Intelligence Agency (DIA) and a commander of J-SOC, the ghost military unit whose squads hunted Al Qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan all the way to Osama Bin Laden’s compound.
With no panel or audience, we ask him whether the US is to blame for creating ISIL and whether the War on Terror has become a crusade.
We also discuss torture in US bases and why he is opposed to a deal with Iran.
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Flynn: "I'm not going to disagree with you on those issues"
Mehdi: "Well you can't. Those are facts"
best line in every video
@@krinka1458 He has a knack.
This was great, I had almost forgotten what real journalism looks like.
R u from india ?
@Jeff Nelson Excellent comment. Except what were the ties to 9-11?
Madhi Hasan is a brilliant journalist. He is armed with real facts.
The winged warrior also reminds me what real journalism looks like.
Indeed
The importance of this interview will sadly never resonate amongst the people like it deserves. Its sad. brilliant job.
Indeed
Mehdi Hasan will do *anything* to shift blame for *anything* from Islam, no matter what. Same deal in every interview. Islam can never be at fault.
Yes and I think Mohammed, the prophet himself is responsible for the rise of ISIL.. Islam is a religion dude... the way of life and enybody in the world can modify it a bit to work better for himself
The True Fizz that's because people like you want to blame Islam people like you are not looking for a true solution to the problem. This is political. This is economic. This is not a religious war or a clash of civilizations. You might just have a warped view of the world. You don't want to arrived at the boring fact that's your country and your people are in it for money are in it for political gain and are in it for natural resources. It's more noble to believe that the United States are fighting a war against and ideology and the war against an evil force. But that's not the case whatsoever.
Dan C can you provide a link please?
Musician G well I find it interesting how no one can provide me with a link to his comments. Apparently he told non-muslims cattle. Anyway I haven't seen the link and what's the point of calling him an apologist if you're not arguing the point? He brings up some very interesting points that most of these so-called terrorists have nothing to do with Islam and are not religious at all. He's not an apologist he's merely stating some facts. Why do you call anybody that disagrees with the normal bullshit narrative in the media an apologist? It's called correction.
archive.org/details/MehdiHasan_201601 is the only video I can find. Its part of a 45 minute speech, I couldn't find the full version of. The context seems to be a general criticism of violent extremism and I believe that hes quoting or paraphrasing from the Koran. Its not marginally troubling to me even as a Western anti-theist...
I think the General got owned, but I give him respect for putting himself on the spot. It is more than I can say about most
+ElAsaltaCulos2 yeah i concur...with a small difference. he has the ego...and thought he could dance past Mehdi. But, yeah kudos for answering in a TV debate.... honour is in attendance..but maybe not in content...lol.
+ElAsaltaCulos2. I agree but I also think he under-estimated the intelligence of Mehdi Hassan unfornutaletly for him he was grilled.
+ElAsaltaCulos2 He refused to do it in front of a studio or with a panel. He only agreed to do it with Mehdi and no audience.
+ElAsaltaCulos2 I don't feel responsible for what Bush and the neo-cons did. Nor do I feel responsible for the Islamic ideology and its violence. However, I do hope that Muslims will get a 1st century Bible, find out who Jesus Christ really is and accept him as their Savior.
jannmutube Or.... or they could start thinking for themselves and do away with bronze age fairytales
This guy is so good at lying that even he didn't agree with his previous comments lol
No matter what u say or how u twist your words, the world know that Americans are responsible for what's happening in Middle East. Enough said.
Too bad he tried lying to the fbi. ;)
AMEN!!
The thought that radical islamists are able to develop a lot of nukes scares me. Why would it not scare the US administration ? The US Military is in the middle east not just because the oil. I actually believe that the primary reason is that the west is afraid of what may happen if radical islamists get control of major oil resources there and thus have the financial means to get them some nukes to attack the west with. I agree with mr Flynn that this is a frightening perspective that motivates radical means. I also agree that the US use to little diplomacy and too much military hardware to succeed. I hope the russians will do it much better since they actually understand foreign cultures like the US does not. The west need to trust Putin to achieve security. Kind of funny IMO... :-)
Hans Lundberg the Russians are no better at dealing with the Middle East either lol Look at how they handle their invasion of Afghanistan. Don’t get me wrong the U.S is no better and is handling this whole situation very badly but at the end of the day the U.S government and European governments don’t really want to fix the Middle East.
@@alliearscott3978 "Look at how they handle their invasion of Afghanistan."
The Soviet Union did not invade Afghanistan. Like in Syria they were invited by the local regime that was under pressure because USA supported islamic terrorist groups to destroy the regime. But in Afghanistan the russians lost . In Syria Putin use another strategy that includes some cooperation with USA and as Russia no longer is a communist state the US work with the russians to some degree in Syria.
the general uses poor choice of words
+David DeVIlla I agree...
+Captain America really poor
+Captain America So did a Christian girl in Pakistan who is about to be hung for saying she didn't think Mohammed was a prophet within earshot of muslim co-workers. Look at the moderate muslim world and decide if you want those values in your neighbourhood.
+Gareth Dunn who told you that?
+Gareth Dunn who told you that?
I have to admit this but the General got fully dominated by Medhi Hassan. Every time I watch Hassan, he fully destroys his opponents with an amazing amount of research, accurate quotes, and salient evidence. He's just so bloody invincible.
No he doesn't call those people who would rip him apart
@@tiger3091 Like Ben Shabibo?
@@MaximilianXXX yeah...n like sam Harris!
Wow this is a great interviewer. Amazing
The Greeks fell, the Romans fell, The Ottomans fell, the British fell why does the Imperial Empire of US think its gonna live on forever? It wont.
On the way falling
those 'fighting terrorism' are as much terrorists as those they claim to be terrorists
+MR Man they are doing just that, Bush and Blair retired.
110% true
+MegaAtoo Its nice to know that you can always count on people like you to come off with bullshit comments. It always seems to be the Wests fault and never Islamic culture. Those poor put upon Islamists, why don't we just leave them alone to rape, murder and destroy in peace!?
+spex76com why do you think you are in the right.and they are in the wrong?why do you think exactly like them.but somehow they are crazy and you are sane?
MegaAtoo Maybe because I don't think that cutting unbelievers heads off, taking sex slaves or Muhammed flying to heaven on a winged horse etc.. is particularly sane or moral. Sane behaviour isn't relative when it comes to Islam. The same thing with Christianity during the Middle Ages. But this is 2015 and a huge amount of Muslims believe and act accordingly with everything written in the Quran, Hadith and Sunnah.
That was one of best shows I have ever seen.....with brilliant questions.
The best head to head i have ever listened to. Kudos to Mehdi Hasan for professional interview
I subscribed to Al Jazeera English because of Mehdi. Thank you Mehdi!
Unie I ....exactly I also did for that person only.
Mahdi hassan is a fearless straight journalist.
United Kingdom, Israel and United States!
Nope mate, United Kingdom, United States & Australia!
Isn’t this the same general now being locked up in the USA for treason? 😂
It's a set up
He didn't get locked up
No
Is!s it's the real isLammm!!!
@@t0mbakpenerkam595 and US is the real crusades islam defeated centuries ago? Right?
"We have a continued investment in conflict." At about 46 minutes.
Succinct statement that describes the US's activities in the Middle East perfectly.
General Quote-"The best plan gives you the most options at the last possible minute"
Every once in a while "...history will not be kind..." is NOT gonna remove your guilt M. Flynn.
31:53 " I mean they [Iran] definitely are a nation state that has demonstrated behaviour that is unacceptable to international norms and laws..."
erm, projection much? swap "Iran" with "the U.S" or" NATO" and you have a sentence that is just as correct.
Amazing interview!!!!!!! Hasan is so brilliant. Ma Sha Allah
How can you beleive in a man who gives permision to his soldiers to rape their female captives? Koran 4:24. How would you feel if your mother, little sister were raped in a time of war?
Wow Mr MH. Always on point.
...awesome interview.
As an American, I am ashamed to learn how much this ex general, a freaking general, "didn't know" or perhaps more precise didn't act about such issues that were literally happening under his watch.
Flynn did not accept responsibility for the torture in Iraq. Very funny.
Bravo General on acknowledging the faults nd wrong policies on US's part.
This interview would've been so much better if you would've let your guest finish his sentences.
Dixon Charles You let a politician keep talking and you will never move on to something else , He has a limited time to get as many answers as he can and that's what he is doing .
That's how the show works!!!!
You argue - that's head to head !!
+Abdassalam Bashir Dishonest ?, He is the one asking questions -.- .
+Dixon Charles read up more on the issues they discuss. Mehdi jumps in almost every time I smelled BS on the answers...due to what has been proved in the public record... i want new info. not the spoon fed stuff rehashed so people who know nothing can catch up on the issue. mehdi im sure agrees.
Do your homework as well as mehdi...then you can talk.
Also, familiar with oxford union debate rules?
Bman Chu name some examples..links please.
Wisdom from the General " Dropping a bomb causes more damage than good "
LOL!! Very intelligent conclusion by this "wise" general lol!
I have a new found respect for Gen. Flynn after seeing this. Well done both.
Iran has never been a threat to the US.
He is no angel but at least he recognizes that the Middle East needs less bombs that fuel conflict and more strategic economic plans.
This general will face prosecution, if no in this life, then in the hereafter.
And then get pardoned by Trump 😪
@@stevefromsaskatoon830 trump has no authority in the hereafter tho
@@stevefromsaskatoon830 Forget about Trump pardoning this general, now Trump himself has to save his own rear-end and will be bagging for pardon lol!
when someone like mehdi hassan say something really good, people say he is being manupilative when we all know what he justify is all fact because he prove that fact. but for that people, they say he so manupilative and mostly just agree and support some people at fox news who just dancing around trowing trash at another people who want the truth. why we need to trash talking to someone for example like mehdi hassan when he say something true? come on guys we are better than this.
So it makes what he said okay?
+Travis Schpeltinger we are delusional? you came to our country with forced army. you try to blame our religion not the people. it is like blaming the entire school because one student bully another student. you always praise about your army technology yet they still well intact. who's funding them? who's supporting them? who's giving them weapon? we again? muslim? islam? we do that all? you said we ate delusional yet youre the one who judging our religion because of some minority people who admit they are muslim but never follow our true islam. so you judge us 1 billion muslim because of them who just like 1 to 3 hundred thousand people. really?? for real really?
That..... That did not make sense
I just get tired of the Muslim world never taking responsibility for anything. It's so easy to blame everyone else for their failures.
+Can-Trac Technologies yeah do that while taking over Iraq,iran Libya and pay isis to bomb syria, and so many more, credit?? you make a country fall by bombing them just to say you do them a favour then you give something that are not equivalent with what you had done and then you wanna credit because of that????
we need scripts of this interview! perfect job Mahdi!
The principle, make enemies to fight enemies, always works.
Like Chomski once said to the West : "Wanna end terrorism? Stop your terrorism"
I didn't think I would learn much from Flynn. Not that articulate and a bit thick.
Mehdi, you nailed it
excellent program.
Wow this head of intelligence guy is either not responsible for anything or simply made some mistakes.
There will be years of deceit, in which a truthful person will be disbelieved and a liar will be believed(Ibn Kathir)
The time will be years of confusion. People will believe a liar, and disbelieve one who tells the truth. People will distrust one who is trustworthy, and trust onewho is treacherous.(Ahmad)
i believe Mehdi Hasan is one of the journalists who speaks about reality.. He makes the other Person see things in totality rather than breaking them in bits and pieces, which people have been doing for decades
+ibrahim gillani Yeah Medhi speaks about reality when he says that Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse.
+ibrahim gillani Medhi Hassan is only using taqiyya to further his cause. He's an Islamist apologist.
phenomenal journalism.
If you're re-listening to this in 2021 then you're a legend
4 years later and i still cant get rid of the smell of bulshit from that general
That picture of Stalin might be the source of that smell
Excellent job Mehdi. Fantastic questions and use of the public record to highlight the typical woolly-headedness found in people who occupy positions of greatest power. To think that with all this guy's experience and time working at the tip of the US Def IA he hasn't developed a more sophisticated and human perspective of this issue is very disturbing. Also, the invasion of Iraq was not a 'strategic error', it was a war crime.
Also, fantastic program Aljazeera...rr
Respect Ahmed big love from Algeria
The general has belief issues.
Absolutely, and plus he has a memory issue!
Mehdi Hasan is so obnoxious that I could only watch fifteen minutes.
and incant watch fox news...they sound like inciting violence against Muslims...
+billsf94131 Ya because you cannot deny his capability, to make people confessed and tell the people a truth. And you cannot accept that truth.Peace
+billsf94131 Well done. I could only manage 10 minutes. Medhi never fails to blame the West and never Islamic teachings. Who the hell is he to say that ISIL is following the wrong interpretation of Islam. Their just following it literally, which is what Muhammed expected of every Muslim.
+spex76com It's saddening to read your comment. When you say they are literally following Islam in the same breath you are also saying that the rest of us muslims who are peaceful are actually not following Islam. You have a wrong interpretation of our religion.
You always hear Muslim apologists say Islam means peace. That's utter nonsense, it means surrender or submission. There will be peace (salam) when everyone submits to Allahs will. The most quoted sura is 5-32 ' ...if anyone killed a person, it would be as if he had killed the whole of mankind ', and no one ever mentions the whole verse. It was being applied to the Jews (Children of Israel). The Muslims were allowed to kill anyone considered an enemy of Islam, be it a kuffar or someone considered a heretic. You,ve either got to stop lying or burying your head in the sand about your faith.
And... I will tell you 😂. Gets me every time
I will lie to you i read the art of the deal
“I think that we have invested more in conflicts instead of invest in solutions”
Watching this, I feel like hard-hitting video journalism took a long vacation between David Frost and the day this piece was released.
A quiet triumph for those who have always wanted accountability for actions taken in Iraq / Afghanistan and the world we live in as a result of those actions.
No matter which country you live in, we should all want that accountability from our governments - because it's the people on the street, any street, that reap what has been sown by those we've put in office.
If they speak for us, they can also answer to us.
Well written. You spoke my mind . Thank you
No matter how many times we see and watch TV or TH-cam the war in the world will never end.
Atleast he is agreeing to some of the mistakes they made. Unlike some other people blindly supporting n defending their actions, he has guts to accept.
mehdi hassan plays the devil's advocate very well, he's knowledgeable and modest in his supreme ability to confidently debate subjects without using many of the facts that he's fully aware of in order to aid debate. A sharp mind when taking sides in a debate due to the obvious lengthy time he takes to study his topics. Even if u disagree with him, respect him for being a shining light in times of dark for democracy and open debate.
In every answer !!!! there was something the General was trying to hide and eventually was caught at times changing his statements !!! hold the path to the truth and you shall never be degraded !!! Something for US army to learn i believe!! top notch stuff MEhdi
Is this new?
mehdi ur an oustanding journalist ! well handled sir
Every one who committed crimes against humanity should b accountable
Has an should interview Obama himself, the man who makes foreign policy, he was an ex employee!
This lack of knowledge and understanding at such a senior command level of the US Armes Forces shows the world is currently in a most precarious place.
Just this dude. Other generals know a thing or two or at least not trying to be a smartass
@@thachhuynh4262 Listening to it again, I fail to understand how this ex-general doesn't even seem to know or care that ISIL was trained, armed and backed up by CIA contractors in Syria and still is today; churning the pot and manufacturing more terrorists to be able to use if deemed necessary or to oppose at will. Talk about creatures of the swamp! It's sad to see a system so degenerate, so rotten to the core, that has now become a terrible blight upon humanity.
Just curious-what is that ziggurat being bombed during the 2004 Shock and Awe footage? Does anyone know? Please provide sources, as well.
I would recommend "A Peace to End All Peace" and Faisal I (Ali Allawi), if the object were to sound like you know something about the Middle East. Its a start.
"Iran is a nation-state that has demonstrated behaviour that is unacceptable to international norms and laws and they don't accept accountability for any of their actions" and
"An entirely new economy is what this region (the Middle East) needs. You've got to give (people)something else to do. If you don't, they're going to turn on their own governments and we (the US) can solve that problem" says former head of the US Defense Intelligence Agency.
Oh the irony!
Why is the nefarious role of Israel never mentioned?
Best journalist, proud of u
Mehdi God pretext you! What an extraordinarily human being you are! Wish we had many of your kind
Good interview, very well informed interviewer, Flynn is articulate and interesting (personally I disagree with him on a lot of stuff but...) however ffs let the man finish a thought. Mehdi Hassan is too anxious to insert himself at times. Good intelligent stuff.
I agree. I think he's really good but people say that that's just his style because it's head to head and a debate more then an interview, but I think he can still do that without cutting people off lol.
Another excellent interview conducted by Mehdi Hassan! Kudos!
Excellent interview!! Flynn got absolutely owned !!!.... can you pull Rumsfeld up again and put him head to head with Mehdi for a right grilling?!?! The last few Al Jazeera interviews with Rumsfeld were jokes.
'Iran is a well educated society' He got that right. Much to the contrary of his own.
@Amal Abdelnour No no...I was just trying to be funny in order to make you laugh
It did? Where is your country?
The yankee mentality is beyond believe. th
Very true!
US Generals always contradict the President. Always lol.
Malecha Vinashak why is that?
To fool others. to prove false righteousness.
what we learned from the history is that those who has nuclearbombs, will not be invaded by us empire
Mehdi is an death angel for all politicians. He takes their soul and then rips it apart
this guys' a male version of Sarah Palin
was she a good person?
Mike Flynn got busted at 41:00
Its so funny seeing him say again and again that US policy to continue conflict is counterproductive, yet they still keep on asking for more
Forgot :fine interwiew
as ever with Medhi Hasan's team, very well researched. Share with others who may still be watching only BBC and mainstream media
Mehdi is a BBC contributor incase you didn't know 😉
@@stevefromsaskatoon830 I didn't know that. I like a lot of his work. There's a few head to heads he did where I disagreed with him, but those were more about tactic then belief.
Can we have Medhi Hasan's views on Human Rights abuses in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq etc etc etc etc. Today this year without trial, court etc etc.
or HR in west especially supression of Muslims
can we have view from American, why they kill the black person without trial.last time i heard, one black man choked to death just selling cigarette.
+Varoonmg it is not changing subject, you idiot. it is useless argument. what you have in america is not any better in other place. moron..
let's also bring up the crimes against humanity George bush and tony Blair committed, on a baseless war against the civilians in the middle east!
+Razor E human rights is a joke that not one country in the world is not guilty of abusing. it goes on in America and Canada time to put your self glorifying throne back in the closet.
General: No, I don’t think that statement is true.
Mehdi: That statement is yours General!
General: well, I think it’s not incorrect !
😂
What a shame being inconsistent !!
i'm arabian sunni and i just ask my self how many States have been atacked bye the “evil“ state of Iran since 1000 years ? seriusly i could not find one.
i think Iran is one country that just want peace and we sunni and shia people must stand together and not listen to the saudis and Americans that tell us to have a Problem with each other
please include a component of Iran in the Title of the video ,to get clicks from people who want to know about US Iran love hate relationship
Summary
Flyn : It was a side effect (Thats why we are not to be blamed)
Mahdi : It was a side effect (Thats why you are to be blamed)
Mehdi u r awesome...
Why is he so worried about economy of Middle East? Let people of Middle East decide what is good for them.
و عليكم السلام الر چمن الله..
الحمد الله
أحبك all..
a salaam aliakum Rahman tu Allah.. alhamdulilah, and lives u all..
salaam peace سلام
عسل-
of all generals in us were this open and mature about questions and scrutiny then they wouldn't be looked at like twats by the rest of the world fair play to this guy :)
General Flynn was trying to talk truth the power of President Obama’s Administration. He has paid a big price for speaking out, but he won’t stop speaking out. He comes from a very good family.
@@sunflowersweetness9644Thatz💯%Factz & Sadly Hes Now Selling Pillowz For Mike the _PillowGuy_ 😴💤💤
This studio is better than the Oxford Union.
34:35 "ecosystem" Big word bro..
What a remarkably unremarkable U.S General
lol
Full blame to America no doubt
Mehdi Hasan asks the best questions - hitting the bull's eye every time; a very enlightening talk indeed.
Muammar Gadaffi changed his behavior, what did that get him?
Pls let the guy talk for a minute instead of shining a light on your own pre-made conclusions. He seems to have some interesting original ideas and has tons of insider experience. Every time he tries to start explaining them you jump in to promote your boring second hand well-known theories, even if there's truth in them, we heard that side already allright. Was a new and fresh point of view about ten years ago. Even when he straightforward agrees you keep lingering on.
So if he'd let him talk for more than 10 seconds we would now be better informed about his ideas being part of Trumps administration.
Salute to RUSSIA who Defeated ISIL
General made good points as well, i.e. the leaders of the ME should more to creat jobs, infrastructure ....
I think the point near the end about Obama being tough at a tactical
level, but not necessarily strategic, is possibly the most insightful of
the whole interview.